Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- POPULAR REMEDIES
- Apple Cider Vinegar
- Chanca Piedra
- Cinnamon, Cloves, Ginger, Apple Juice
- Coconut Oil
- Dietary Changes
- Figs, Turmeric
- Gallbladder Cleanses
- Gallbladder Polyps
- General Feedback
- Gravel Root
- Juice Therapy
- Laser Surgery
- Lemon Water
- Lemon, Digestive Enzymes
- Milk Thistle
- Milk Thistle, Dandelion, Magnesium
- Multiple Remedies
- Olive Oil and Lemon Juice
- Olive Oil and Lemon Juice, Dietary Changes
- Olive Oil, Hot Milk
- Olive Oil, Supplements
- Phyllanthus Niruri (Quebra Pedra)
- Produce Bile
- Remedies Needed
- Soluble Fiber
- Spring Water
- Swedish Bitters
- Ted's Remedies
- Yi Dan
"Gall stones usually remain asymptomatic initially. They start developing symptoms once the stones reach a certain size (>8mm). A main symptom of gallstones is commonly referred to as a gallstone attack, also known as biliary colic, in which a person will experience intense pain in the upper abdominal region that steadily increases for approximately thirty minutes to several hours. A victim may also encounter pain in the back, ordinarily between the shoulder blades, or pain under the right shoulder. In some cases, the pain develops in the lower region of the abdomen, nearer to the pelvis, but this is less common. Nausea and vomiting may occur.
These attacks are intensely painful, similar to that of a kidney stone attack. One way to alleviate the abdominal pain is to drink a full glass of water at the start of an attack to regulate the bile in the gallbladder, but this does not work in all cases. Another way is to take magnesium followed by a bitter liquid such as coffee or swedish bitters an hour later. Bitter flavors stimulate bile flow. A study has found lower rates of gallstones in coffee drinkers.
Often, these attacks occur after a particularly fatty meal and almost always happen at night. Other symptoms include abdominal bloating, intolerance of fatty foods, belching, gas, and indigestion. If the above symptoms coincide with chills, lowgrade fever, yellowing of the skin or eyes, and/or clay-colored stool, a doctor should be consulted immediately." (Wikipedia)
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Apple Cider Vinegar
02/21/2013: Liz from Hollywood, Ca.: "I was doing very well prior to slipping back into eating out. Little by little it seems to build and bam, attack!! The Stone has been released!
I noticed that table bread for me in any amount should be avoided at all cost. I also noticed that excessive fat content in one or two meals in a day will bring it on.
I am doing a flush now with Organic Apple Juice. I drink warm/hot water in the morning with Lemon Juice. I am sticking to mostly vegi's and rice during the Flush. I am doing this Flush with the help of a Dr and a Nutritionist. I am taking a bile thining supplement. I am tying to eat healthy fat and do not have an issue with Real Organic Butter or Salt in moderation with vegi's. I did this flush before and flushed many Stones. Yet, it dawned on me after eating a slightly escallating amount of trigger foods which I am probably also alergic to, I was passing a stone. The Apple Juice is a miracle disolvent for Stones. After an attack rest your body because there is so much going on with the Bile Duct. Drink Apple Juice and try to stay stress free. Eat carefully.
If I have to have surgery but with more disapline and time, MAYBE I can avoid it because I also contemplate the what if's. You know, what if it the start of hospital surgeries. I have read that if your healthy and your bloodwork shows high levels resulting from an attack then you may be able to heal by eating a better diet. Potatoes (Gold) seem to also be a miracle food for some reason. Good luck with your health.
I read last night that it takes years for stones to develope. If you have cleaned up your diet and you go back to eating something you are not use too you will trigger a potential stone release. You have to dissolve the stones and you have to eat healthy fat. The Gallbladder needs good fat.. That's it's job. I underworked mine. I didn't eat good or bad fat just refined breads and sugar over the years and minimal vegtables. I love carb's."Replies
03/06/2013: Joy from Battleground, Wash replies: "Yes fats and food in general, I have found that taking some Betafood stops the misery for me. I only have one tiny stone in my gallbladder but I get this miserable pain under my left shoulderblade that stings and burns and the tabs help a lot 1-3 a meal if needed. Hope it helps.... All the reviewers on amazon say it is for gallbladder health. I plan to keep my organs as long as possible."
11/04/2012: Kara from Mesa, Arizona: "Okay, my boyfriend is almost crying, moaning in pain from gallstones for hours now. I ran to the store and bought some Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar but I did not buy the organic kind, and somehow I swore I bought organic apple juice but somehow I didn't come home with it? I know, I know I must be blond haha, well bleach blond. Anyways all I had with some orange juice and so I put orange juice and the ACV in a dixie cup, I would say 2 tablespoons of ACV and now my boyfriend is screaming in pain now. What did I do wrong? Does it only have to be mixed in organic apple juice???? I am freaking out here! I gave him a hot towel for a heating pad to put where the pain is, and that had little to no relieve, I gave him some more ACV from the bottle and no relieve it made it worst. I gave him two percocet 5's and water and ice. He ate a bowl of cereal with milk and I think he needs to go to ER right now, so any advice or help need please thanks. My email is karitacast(at)gmail.com thank you, -Kara"
08/31/2012: Chance from San Diego, Ca: "I'm a 27 year old woman scheduled for a sonogram to check for suspected gallstones based on symptoms I've had for years. I have other factors stacked against this too. All women on my mother's side (including her) have had their gallbladders removed due to stones. I'm also overweight; have lost a lot of weight; am an ex-smoker; ate poor diet for the first 80% of my life; have Native American genetics; have magnesium deficiency and slightly low running thyroid.
Since improving my health by exercise, choosing fresh and homemade foods, and taking magnesium supplement, my frequency of "attacks" (what I think are gallblader attacks) is very low to what it used to be. Ocassionally I'll still indulge. Unfortunately when I do, it still triggers an attack about 20% of the time. Usually after eating fast food, red meat, or something dairy-rich.
My definition of attacks is: a horrible pain in my upper stomach that can become so intense, I can barely manage to straighten my torso. I'm doubled over constantly, walking hunched if I can muster the will to walk around. The pain radiates up my sternum and into my upper back between the shoulder blades. It feels like a gigantic pair of fists are shoved into my chest and stomach, squeezing and twisting in opposite directions so that nothing can go further in or out. My upper stomach will feel a little hard or rigid too - like it's all tensed up.
Sometimes I get my boyfriend to pound his fist into my upper back, like he's punching back for me! I'll grind my fist into my back too and sometimes that pressure helps minimally but only while I'm doing it. I know, totally bizarre of me. But it's what makes sense at the time. In the past for attacks, I've taken carrot juice which I read helps digestion and/or a cup of my powdered magnesium supplement (called Natural Calm -it's amazing! ) which takes the edge off. Once, I chewed raw ginger I cut right off the root in pure desperaton. All these things have helped (although carrot juice stopped being as effective for some reason).
The attacks last an hour to several hours and can be mild or severe to where I'm panting and squirming all over the bed, moaning in helpless pain. Sometimes there's oh so ladylike belching involved but if it's bad, it doesn't matter how much my body tries to do this, it doesn't alleviate anything.
I had an attack that woke me up very early this morning. :( It's my fault. I even thought it might be coming last night. I was SO tired last night I didn't want to cook, even though that little voice inside my head said I should do it. I didn't listen and got a chicken burrito from a taco shop on the way home thinking chicken is a mild choice. It didn't even end up being that good - it was gross and had unexpected amount of greasiness like it was cooked on an uncleaned surface that had been used for red meats. I only ate half feeling how heavy it was getting in my stomach. Less than 2 hours later, I could FEEL like this attack was coming. In preperation I found this page with all the great reviews about apple cider and apple juice working. I was hopeful and meant to go get apple juice and the apple cider from the store but fell asleep with my phone still on my chest, this page still on the screen when the attack woke me up.
It was a milder attack so I took the magnesium, then drove to the grocery store for the apple cider vinegar and apple juice. It got worse at the store but it's so close to my house that I made it. Like described here, I took the suggested 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar (the Heinz brand) mixed with a glass of apple juice (Simply Apple brand). It took me 10-15 minutes to finish drinking it. I was a little taken aback a little at the burny feeling in my throat and through my stomach but I thought of that as working magic. The burn is nothing really unpleasant or harsh - nothing compared to the pain of the attack at least! :)
As I took the last few sips I had already started feeling the pain subside. My stomach softened to the touch and the little swell the rigidity creates sometime went away. About an hour later, the pain was pretty much all gone and just some minor discomfort and remnant soreness was all that was left! THIS is the best pain remedy for the attacks I've EVER tried. I've never had the pain go away as rapidly or as close to complete as this before. Now I DID start with the magnesium supplement but it's help was minimal (it's MUCH better for preventative than reactive purposes).
It's drained me though. These attacks take nearly everything out of me. I've mustered the energy to write this post because I want it to be read by people looking for experiences of other people who go through it and what has worked for them. I'm telling you it works! If you're having an attack, my say is try it.
Thank you to Earth Clinic and all who took the time to post their experiences too. I would not have turned to the apple cider/apple juice concoction and gotten my quick relief if not for you!!"Replies
[YEA] 04/06/2013: Debbie from Rsm, Ca replies: "Hi Chance, Your story is exactly the same as the attack I had today. I thought I could have some pasta with a creamy sauce, boy what a mistake that was! I had read your post earlier in the week and had my husband go to the store and get the apple cider vinegar and apple juice. It kind of burned going down my throat. But after 15 minutes or so the bloating in my tummy started to go down and the pain lessened enough to breathe easier! But my tummy is still sore hours later. I don't know if I used too much Apple Cider Vinegar but my tummy still hurts. But the pain is mostly gone thank goodness! I need to do a flush to get rid of the gallstones. I do not want surgery. The surgeon wanted me to schedule the surgery to remove the gallbladder but I told him that God gave me a gallbladder for a reason. :). So my husband and I are starting to eat healthy foods and cut out the processed foods! Thank you so much to sharing your post and to the other people who post their stories! I just need to find the flush now! Wish me luck!! Thank you EARTH CLINIC!!!!!!"
[YEA] 12/17/2011: Vicki from Union, New Jersey: "My attacks started about a year ago occurring randomly every few months becoming progressively more frequent which lead me on a search for a natural remedy. I found this site earlier today and ironically had an attack tonight. So I mixed 3 tbs of ACV with apple juice and even though I read all the accounts of how well this works I have to admit I am utterly amazed. Within 40 minutes the pain is completely gone! I am SO grateful for finding this page. I thought I had to post as more proof for anyone else out there who is looking for help. Thank you!!"Replies
[YEA] 08/13/2012: Kharma from La, Ca replies: "Recently learned I have gallstones (ugh).
Performed a successful liver/stone flush. While I feel some better, I'm still experiencing gallstone related symptoms (i. E. Nausea, gas, acid reflux, gurgling sounds, asthma attacks, allergies, etc. ) Sought a way to deal w/the attacks, while preparing for next flush in a few weeks. With a google search, found this site and the Apple Cider Vinegar solution. Figured I had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Thrilled to report, it worked...!
I obtained apple cider vinegar (w/out the mother) and combined with organic apple juice (both generic store brands at local health food store). Result was a tangy, delicious drink. Within minutes, I started to feel relief.
Thanks so much to those that shared this worked for their symptoms, and thanks to earthclinic. Com, for making this resource available on-line!"
07/07/2011: Michelle from Hampton, Virginia: "My 19 year old daughter is suffering from gallstones and is about to try the ACV and apple juice drink. Our question is, if the drink is taken on a regular/daily basis, will it help to prevent the attacks? Also, if it is taken regularly can she be a little more liberal with her diet? As it stands now she is avoiding all dairy and fat and she still has attacks."Replies
02/15/2012: Nicole from Phoenix, Arizona replies: "Hi, just as a precaution you may want to check with a doctor. Due to her young age gallstones may be a sign of something more serious such as a blood disease? Not to scare you, but maybe you could google that."
01/30/2013: Vreed27 from Granite Falls, Wa replies: "Hi, Your daughter needs to eliminate the stones before changing her diet. The apple cider vinegar stops the symptoms of the attack but doesn't eliminate the problem. As long as she still has stones she will continue to have the gall bladder attacks. Look up the Great amazing liver/gallbladder cleanse by Andreas Moritz. I did my first cleanse, passed a lot of stones and was able to eat "normally" after. I will keep doing the cleanses once a month until I don't pass any more stones. Good luck!"
[SIDE EFFECTS] 04/05/2011: Liz from Irving, Tx: "Hello, I have been having gallstone issues for the past month and a half without realizing it for the first month, then after the pain and nausea became so bad that it drove me to the hospital I found out that I either had gallstones or gastritis. I started doing some research and started taking Lecithin, Magnesium, Milk Thistle, Burdock Root, Cinnamon and Ginger.
And it all started to go away very quickly, and I could actually feel the stones moving through the ducts and out!
Then about a week ago I heard about Apple Juice, and I wanted to do as much as I could to disolve the gallstones as quickly as possible so I tried it - but it upset my stomach and gave me diarrhea so bad that I had to stop. (My mother told me it did the same thing when I was a baby, so she wasn't surprised. ) And the nausea started to go away immediately after stopping it.
Then I noticed a few days ago that I was having horrible Heat Intolerance in 80 degree weather and other symptoms of low electrolytes- dizziness, confusion, faitigue- and I was having symptoms of Malabsorbsion from the very beginning- so I started taking apple cider vinegar to replenish my electrolytes and liquide multi-vitamines to help my body absorb them better. But I think the apple cider vinegar has made my nausea come back just as strong as before!
When I stopped the apple juice, the nausea went away. Now that I'm taking the apple cider vinegar it's come back, and I can barely eat anything!
I feel much better when I take it, and I haven't had any painful or uncomfortable feelings in my gallbladder area for two days now. I feel almost completely normal except for the upset stomach, and there is now a burning/clawing sensation going on in my stomach along with it that I think is a symptom of high stomach acid caused by the apple cider vinegar.
I'm worried that if I stop the apple cider vinegar I will run low on electrolytes again, and since I'm still not digesting my food all the way so I know that is still a possiblity.
Is there anything I can take with the apple cider vinegar to stop the nausea? I've heard about taking baking soda with it. Does that work?"Replies
[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS] 04/22/2011: Liz from Irving, Tx replies: "Hi, this is Liz, I'm responding to my own post to let you know what's happened to me since I made that first post.
About two days after I made that post I passed a huge gallstone that had been slowly working it's way out, and obviously making me feel nauseous and terrible while doing so. I was sitting on the couch feeling horrible, then, boom! Felt it pass, got a lot of gurgling sounds from up around my gallbladder area and instantly felt much better! Nausea gone! Yay!
A couple days after that I did my first Liver Flush with olive oil and lemon juice. I flushed out over a 1/4 cup of pee sized to almost marble sized stones. I have done three more since then, and durring the third I was amazed when I flushed out two huge stones that were between the size gumballs and golfballs. I couldn't believe it, especially since I hadn't felt any pain or discomfort while doing the flush. I was still passing around the same amount of stones, around a 1/4 or so each time. The last flush I did I didn't pass any at all, which is kinda suspicious considering that in all the ones I'd done before I had passed so many. But I do feel better, so I'm going wait and do another one and see what happens then.
I didn't realize that by doing these flushes you're also giving your body a really good detox. Your liver can hold a lot of toxins so if you do a flush it's likely going to release some of them. So if anyone out there is doing one of these flushes and it makes you feel worse or feel kinda sick afterwards, it might not be that it's made you worse, it could be detox. Remember to drink lots of water to help flush everything out and keep up on your electrolytes and it will pass faster and make you feel better.
Also I wanted to say that I've found that taking 4 Tablespoons of Epsom Salt was WAY too much for me. My mother and have had the same amount of success with only taking 2 teaspoons - 1 tablespoon once in the evening and then once again in the morning. But of course everybody's different, so that might not work for you.
I have had No Problems Whatsoever with taking ACV or Apple Juice since passing that first gallstone, and I take back everything I said about it making me feel sick and nauseous. It's actually very good and recommended for nausea and stomach problems becuase it settles the stomach and is good for your body.
Thank you. Good luck to all of you, and thank you so much to everyone who has posted their stories here, you've helped me so much! - Liz"
03/07/2012: Karen from Basildon, Essex, United Kingdom replies: "Hi Liz, How are you feeling now that some time has passed since your liver flush? Could you add a thread to the flush that you used. Many thanks, Karen"
04/30/2012: Thefoodyguy from Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand replies: "Hi, I too am a sufferer and in the process of researching the gall bladder flush.
I wonder if your tummy is very irritated inside explaining your ACV issue. Maybe try taking slippery elm for a while to help calm and sooth your tummy [either as a drink of capsules, just make sure no sugar is added] You can also get ACV incapsual form though I am not sure if you could obtain an enteric coated version.
I also think I read somewhere that its the apple pectin that softens the stones, maybe research that and try the pectin instead of the vinegar? good luck"
12/26/2010: Tina from Houston, Tx, Usa: "Ted,
Happy Holidays! Please help me... I have gall stones, for the past 6-7 years and have recently lost 20 pounds due to diet and exercise and the gall stone pain has kicked in. If I take ACV for them, do I need to mix with baking soda?
There is so much info about ACV on this site that I am confused at this point about what exactly I need to mix in terms of water, baking soda or lemon juice to get the correct potion to remedy the gall stones. Please, please help. Many thanks, Tina"
[YEA] 01/06/2010: Suz54 from Paranaque, Manila, philippines: "i had been diagnosed with having a gallstone and was given months of doses of ursofalk. this drug is supposed to dissolve my stone. it's so costly and quite slow in giving results. i am now taking 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar instead and the pressure on my right side where it is felt is gone. i can't wait for my next check up and see the good results."
[YEA] 03/24/2008: Jody from Westlake, Ohio: "I have been having attacks for a little over a year thinking that I had aniety problems. In the last week, I discovered that I have Gall stones and I have had an attack everyday for the last seven days. I tried taking a very hot shower and then a cold shower to shock my system, while the pain subsided nothing seemed to work. I found this site and I happened to have Apple Cider Vinegar handy along with Apple Juice. After I found this site and read the comments others posted, I tried the vinegar with Apple Juice. It has been twenty minutes and the pain is diminishing. I am very happy to land on a temporary relief for the pain. Thank you!"
[YEA] 06/22/2006: Kathy from Baltimore, MD: "ACV/HONEY/WATER CURED ME OF NAUSEA, BLOTTING, & A SLUGGISH GALLBLADDER. GALLBLADDER DIAGNOSED AFTER TEST NOT PUMPING (NORMAL 35 AND ABOVE/MINE WAS 9). SINCE I DID NOT SHOW STONES, SURGEON REFUSED TO REMOVE--- WENT ONLINE AND FOUND ACV CURE. IN TWO DAYS I WAS FEELING GREAT WITHOUT SYMPTOMS."Replies
05/11/2010: Marie from Shreveport, La replies: "My daughter has this problem. I am wondering if you can eat the same foods you ate before you were diagnosed with sluggish gallbladder? Also, do you have a link for the exact formula you used?"
05/13/2010: Glight from Hattiesburg, Ms, Usa replies: "For Maria in Shreveport--I have had Gallbladder problems as well. I have wonderful success with Milk Thistle and Dandelion. You can find the two as a mixture in capsule form in a good Vitamin Store. I also take a high grade Acidoph at night on empty stomach,and ACV in my water bottle-about a teaspoon for half litre. I drink 2 a day. She may also check for gluten sensitivity and too much omega 6. Good Luck!"
[YEA] 01/22/2006: Grace from Cairns, Australia: "Yes I was suffering awful stabbing pains in the right side of my upper abdomen, I think it might have been a gallstone. However, after taking only one tablespoon of apple cider vineger in some warm water the pain has now gone."Replies
05/01/2009: Karol from Chicago, Il replies: "i have been having stomach pain for the last three years my dr told me it was gastritis and i started to take pepcid every time i had the pain it sometimes helped me and sometimes it didnt A month ago i went to ER because a severe pain in my stomach and i found i have gallstones and pancreatitis, the dr is waiting my pancreas to get better so he can remove the gallbladder Now my question is Is it safe for me to take ACV? you know for the gastritis and pancreas, im really scared to eat something that can give me a horrible attack like i had one month ago"
08/26/2011: Deda from Bowling Green, Kentucky, Usa replies: "@Karol you asked a good question to ask a naturopath. In my experience with cleanses they do tend to take your energy away from you somewhat. If your pancreas is not well, in my personal and unprofessional opinion your MD is right wait until your pancreas heals. I see your post is from 2009 but I'm posting this in case anyone has similar problems."
[YEA] 01/31/2012: Nicole from Sydney, Australia: "A few years ago I was diagnosed with Gall Stones and was having to sleep upright on the couch due to the reflux. My doctor said well all we can do is schedule you in for an operation to remove your Gall Bladder as if we just remove the stones they will eventually come back. I argued that I didn't want a part of my body removed for no real good reason but doctor knows best, right? There was a waiting list at the hospital so I suffered for about 4 weeks until my operation date and in the meantime a colleague at work noticed I wasn't in the best health and asked me what was wrong and I told her. The next day she came to me and said she had mentioned me to her Chilean Grandmother who passed on this old folk cure for me to try.
You need to eat a minimum of 8 big apples in a 24 hour period (green are the best as they are the most acidic but you can mix it up).
Starting at breakfast on day one, eat nothing but raw apples for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Day two repeat as per day one. On day two before you go to bed drink 2/3 cup of virgin olive oil, follow this with a 1/3 cup of lemon juice (to get the oil out of your mouth). Then go to sleep on your right side for the night. Freshly squeezed apple juice and herbal teas are ok for these 2 days but don't skimp on the apples, the more the better.
The acid in the apples will break down the gallstones naturally and the olive oil will help with the elimination of the broken down stones. This is amazing and worked for me so well that my awful symptoms immediately passed and I could lie down in my bed again to sleep that 2nd night.
I went to my pre-op appointment and when the nurse asked how I am I said I'm fine now, the stones are gone. She didn't believe me until another ultrasound showed I was all clear! She then asked me how I did it and said she would tell a relative of hers about it.
Unsurprisingly the doctor didn't believe a word of my story and just said there must have been a mistake in my original ultrasound to which I replied "I've not mistaken the pain I've been in the past few weeks, it was real and now it's completely gone". I still have both ultrasounds and my whole body is intact. I do the apple diet every year as a preventative although my diet has also changed for the better so therefore I don't expect to have Gall Stones ever again."Replies
02/15/2012: Nicole from Phoenix, Arizona replies: "Thank you for your experience... As I sit at my computer I am deathly afraid to eat something for my breakfast... Had a catscan yesterday which showed gallstones and I was in the hosp for stomach pain... Have had frequent and painful attacks... I have some ACV in my fridge from a health food store and have taken it in the past, but not recently. I'm gonna try some this morning and this weekend prob try the apple flush you spoke of."
08/27/2012: Nicky from Phx, Az replies: "Hey girl how did it work?? I live in AZ too and the docs here are a joke they wont help me and I need help!! I am hurting so bad with the gall stone pain. After looking high an low for help out here I came upon this page. I had apple juice, I need the one with the pulp though I think, no apple cider vin though but going to get some fast! I had a few lemons cut up one put in some EVOO. Took Mag caps lecithin caps and took these pills I got a while back but never really took, the problem wasnt as bad but picked it up anyway glad I did too its called ____. I just hope it works you have to take 5 at a time has everything in it. I am so desprate willing to take everything!!! Did it work for you? I'm at the owwwwww its hurts so bad I think I'm gonna die stage! I need help bad! As soon as its day light I going to get all the green apples I can get my hands on anythings better then getting cut open! One of my dumb doctors even said to me when telling me to get my gall blader out and me saying no way... He says "what do you need your gall blader for anyway?" :O Can we say AHHHHHHHHHH!!! I wanted to tell him what do you need um your organ for but... Kept my mouth shut an just stewed! :l Please let me know how your doing so far my pains still with me. :("
[NAY] 02/17/2013: Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex, England: "An update on my situation. I have just had another scan which shows that the only change in my gallstone is that it has got bigger! It is now measuring 3.1cms. For the past three months I have been on an intensive protocol to help dissolve? break up the stone? However.... There has been no indication that the herbs have done anything! I have been using Gold Coin Grass as a tea and also a tincture. I have also been using Chanca Piedra as a tincture and also a tea and have just started a herbal supplement. Other things to help the situation.... Drinking lots of chamomile tea/lemon juice (helps to dissolve gallstones); dandelion coffee/beetroot (helps improve bile flow). Tamarind for gallbladder support.
Has anybody actually had any success with dissolving large gallstones using herbs? And how much of anything does one need to take for it to be effective. The Chanca Piedra (for instance) suggests just one 500mg capsule per day.
I did do one gb/liver flush a few weeks' ago and it was fine and the discomfort was better for a little while. However, I keep being advised not to attempt any flushes with such a large stone. Surgery would seem to be my only option.... which is sad when I have put so much effort into trying to keep the gb.
I'd appreciate any help."Replies
02/17/2013: Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa replies: "Hi Carole, I know that the liver flush removes g/stones, because I have done it numeruos times & it is quick & no fuss, just 2 days, Hulda Clarks method is simple & it works."
02/17/2013: Tina from Houston, Usa replies: "Hello Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex, England:
Please google 'juvaflex'. It is a essential oil blend that has SAVED my gallbladder. The same company makes another blend called 'GLF' which is brilliant too. Both these blends can be applied to liver gall bladder area topically 3-4 times per day, AND can be taken internally in an empty gelcap, or mixed in a tablespoon of honey. These oils are therapeutic grade meaning that can be injected intraveneously into your veins (and more than 50 hospitals in the US use them). No other oils can make this type of claim.... You will notice tremendous difference in a few weeks. I experienced that, and was amazed that I was able to save my GB, and share this with any GB or liver issues folks may have.
Feel free to ask any questions!
Good luck, T"
02/18/2013: Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex,, England replies: "Hi Tina, You posted this information for me before and I have had difficulty finding the products here in England. I have but am now having some problems trying to actually buy the products! I will try again as you have given it such high praise. I guess I'll continue to try anything.... However perhaps there is just something about calcified large gallstones that don't go away!
Thank you for replying. I'll see how I get on trying to get the products.
Also, I am seeing a new herbalist/acupuncturist tomorrow who uses both western/eastern herbs.
Thank you. Carole"
02/18/2013: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Carole: Is your GS a Calcium, Cholesterol, or mixed??? I have done several gb flushes over the yrs with many small and medium sized, but it was only about a yr ago I did a flush and passed a few small stones and one as large or larger than your 3cm. I was somewhat shocked at the size and that I had successfully passed it. It appeared to be mostly cholesterol but could have had some calcium, although I didn't closely examine. I don't do the passive method of simply laying down on the left side. I take a roll of toilet tissue (a few minutes fallowing the oil/lemon drink) place it directly over the gb, pull my thigh over the tissue, and squeeze quite hard (with help from hands n arms); wait a few minutes and repeat a few times. This active method literally "forces" the stone to pass.
Try this method in the early morning, and if in a rare occasion the stone gets stuck in the bile duct, you can make a quick dash to the emergency medical clinic for removal."
02/18/2013: Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex,, England replies: "Blimey Timh - you're brave! However, this is just the sort of support I need! People who have actually passed large stones. I am told mine is calcified. I am sure if it was cholesterol - then with the protocol I have been on - it would have changed.
I have been using beetroot; dandelion coffee; lecithin granules; tamarind; milk thistle; lemon juice; peppermint oil; chanca piedra; gold coin grass; chamomile..... All can dissolve calcified gallstones!
I just wonder if I need to be on higher doses? My CP capsules says one 50mg a day. However, an earlier post from Bill suggests 100mg x 3 times a day! A big difference. I'll have a talk through options with the herbalist/acupuncturist tomorrow. However, it is this lady who is cautioning me against flushing with such a large stone!
I won't give up yet. Thanks for your input.
02/27/2013: Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex,, England replies: "Hi.. Me again... Re the gallstone! I have been trying the CP - in tincture form and then tried the capsules and after reading posts here increased to 1,000mg x 3 times a day. After just one week I have begun to experience headaches and also a burning-type soreness in my tummy. So I am taking a few days off to see if it is the CP. Any thoughts anybody? How long are we talking.... Years? If dissolving really does work..... And what would be the optimum dosage for the herb to work?
And, once again, I ask..... Has anybody really ever been able to dissolve/flush away a large 3cm gallstone. And how can a stone really pass along a duct that is only 3-4mms even after taking Epsom Salts during a flush?
Many thanks.... I appreciate your thoughts and support."
03/05/2013: Stevenson from Vancouver, BC, Canada replies: "Carole, yes. But not by flushing, but by disolving it with fresh bile. I'm not convinced with flushing for the same reason you are. Please read this one page method that I used. It will be all clear after that how fresh bile is the actual method to disolve and stop stones from ever forming again.
03/07/2013: Anon from Anon replies: "Hi Carole, this is what I recommend for you:
1. Follow Stevenson's bean protocol
2. Still take the chanca piedra tincture or whichever one you are comfortable taking
3. Do the budwig protocol at the same time, the flaxseed oil/ cottage cheese musli if nothing else. You will find this on this site or others- there are reports of it curing gallbladder cancer so it should help your condition quicker.
Report back to help others, thanks"
01/30/2013: Nitu from Sterling, Va: "Does it help in breaking the stone? Has anyone being helped with it?"
04/06/2011: L.m. from Redding, California: "Several years ago I had an ultrsound done and they found that I have four large gallstones about 2cm in size. Of course my doctor wanted me to have my gallbladder taken out but I would not consent. Over the years I have done numerous liver/gallbladder flushes but these gallstones are to big to flush. I would like to dissolve them and I want to find out what the best formula for doing this is. I am not only interested in the formula/substance but also want to know the science behind how it works.
A friend of mine who is into natural remidies recomended a South American herb called Chanca Piedra which he said translates as "break stone. " I can't find any dosage information or instructions on the most effective way to use it. I have made tea with it but am considering putting it into capsules. If you have information regarding this herb and the most effective way to take it I would be interested. I am also interested if you know of any other substance that would dissolve these monster stones I have.
05/15/2011: Celt33 from Toronto, On, Canada replies: "L. M. I have been using the Chanca Piedra from AOR for about 2 weeks now and about 90% of the symptoms are gone. I take one capsule 3 times a day on an empty stomach."
08/14/2011: Ojo from Singapore replies: "If you go and search for online websites selling this herbs. They will have dosage and reviews"
[YEA] 05/29/2012: D. Jones from Seaford De, De replies: "Just wanted to say that I have been using Chanca Piedra for 2 years and it should be the first option in my opinion. I have used high doses of vit C as well as Chanca Piedra, lethicin, and magnesium for gallstones. I tried many things but Chanca and vit C would be my first move as well as lethicin and magnesium. Also I started to lessen the chanca after some time and added biotin and fenugreek which is good for diabetes as well. Of course a healthy diet and lower fat intake is a must. Having gone through the attacks and what I call the heats, I wouldn't be without the Chanca and C. It took me 6 months to find out about these supplements and I hate to see someone else suffer needlessly. I used the 400 mg of Chanca 3x's a day till relief then cut back to once a day, maybe 2 if I had any fatty meal or snacks, I love walnuts. And I started out at 1000 mg of C 3x's a day, probably could take more. Somebody advised me on the C and I believe that to be a huge help too. Taurine is something to look into as well. Hope this helps someone as well, the cleansing did not help me so this was a blessing when I got this info."
07/13/2012: Ed2010 from Oakville, Canada replies: "Chanca Piedra, is Phylanthus Niruri. It is the stonebreaker.
The annual herb Phyllanthus niruri is best known by the common names Stonebreaker(Eng. ), Chanca Piedra(Sp. ) and Quebra Pedra(Port. ), Seed-Under-Leaf(Eng. ) but has many other common names in assorted languages, including dukong anak, dukong-dukong anak, amin buah, rami buah, turi hutan, bhuiaonla, Meniran (Indonesia), (Malayalam) and / Keela Nelli (Tamil). The herb is known as Nela Nelli in Kannada and "Nela Usiri" in Telugu. It is a widespread tropical plant commonly found in coastal areas. It is a relative of the spurges, belonging to the leafflower genus of Family Phyllanthaceae.
I should say about this herb. Phylanthus Niruri, used to grow in abundance around my house in India. I used to pluck and eat it just like that during my childhood.
This is the top most potent herb for liver than Milk Thistle or any other herb. It is used in Unani, Ayurvedha, Siddha herbal medical system for more than 5000 years. If possible, you can contact any Indian herbal practitioner for accurate dosage.
Himalaya company also sells P. Niruri capsules. You can follow their dosage.
You can start with 2 capsules per day. If you want to be very safe then eat 2 tsp of chywanprash which contains Phylanthus Niruri (chanca piedra) and many other herb for your whole body.
One more info, Phylanthus Niruri is extremely potent and Heat(in ayurvedic and Siddha theory)Producing herb, so don't over use it. EC, pls don't mention this as a side effect because there will be no side effect by using this herb other than it is heat producing.
*Heat is the body's fire - Pitta (fire/water)
Even I am going to start eating this herb occassionaly for general health.
Hope this helps someone."
03/19/2013: Rei from Venice, Fl, Usa replies: "Stevenson, I see that your post did get on the board yesterday, but it was posted quite a ways above, rather than below to keep the timeline easy to read. I guess it got placed in the wrong area??? Nonetheless, I did find it! Maybe they can change the placement of it perhaps for other readers to be able to follow...?"
EC: Yes, we needed to separate the conversation into a new thread! Done and done.
Please note, most of this conversation has now been moved to a new Soluble Fiber for Gallstones content area.
03/19/2013: Stevenson from Vancouver, Bc, Canada replies: "EC and Rei, thanks for your help with this. I was getting a little discouraged thinking that things would be deleted that people should know about which had me a little spooked."
EC: Not to worry. We rarely delete posts unless they are product-plugging or inappropriate. On occasion, however, our server has been known to reject posts for unknown coding reasons. Bill from the Philippines can attest to that! A few of his never made it through.