07/28/2010: Mdee from Provo, Ut replies: "So about candida, I've been there been super super strict on diet with no success, your daughter doesn't have to give up on the sugar. She only needs one thing- good legitimate fat (what everyone calls saturated fat)VCO if it's too scary, but otherwise have her enjoy any and all the BUTTER and LARD she wants. Also minerals are very important, raw fruits and veggie juices (fiber gets in the way, fat keeps one regular), also you need raw animal foods in your diet to get the whole range of minerals needed. RAW MILK is a great option. Candida destroyed my life along with all the bad advice I received, but the solution is simple and works without fail. (FYI Saturated fat doesn't cause weight gain, that is a result of toxins the body cannot deal with due to mineral deficiencies)"

07/28/2010: Paula from Perth, Wa, Australia replies: "Hi Moriah, A few months ago I went to a naturopath & was diagnosed with sytemic candida. He said I must get off the sugar or any remedies I try will be all in vain because sugar feeds the candida. I looked at him & said "you are asking me to give up my favourite food. I can't do that. " He just looked at me & said. . . "well you don't have to give it up, but if you don't these things will keep going wrong with you. It's your choice! " So the responsibility was in my hands, not anyone elses. I have made a 90% reduction in my sugar consumption (&also gluten for that matter) & I found it pretty easy. I feel great & have so much more energy than ever. I know this does not help with your question on making things taste better for your daughter, but in the end it is up to her & there is nothing you can do until she decides she wants to help herself. Coke is probably one of the worst things she could possibly have with candida. Check out the sugar content in a can. Maybe you can help her become more conscious of labelling & sugar content. Just a suggestion. Best of luck with it all & I hope she wakes up & smells the roses very soon, for her own sake."

07/28/2010: Labes from Toronto, Ontario, Canada replies: "Hi Moriah, I hope that your daughter will be fine and all that will be just history. Well, You mentioned that she will take Capsofungen, that is good, don't worry about it because it doesn't have a very dangerous side effects ( never give her amphericinB), plus it will destroy the enzyme that makes B-glucan, and by doing that the candida will be more susceptible for the immune system. You can also give your daughter lufenuron, which will inhibit the syntheses of Chitin. With those two combos, the candida will be leaky and just by osmosis it will die. The candida will try to mutate to live in this environment, however, it has to be without Chitin and D-glucan and that will make the candida a very weak species. The lufenuron has to be mixed with very strong probiotic yogurt ( up to 30 billions living probiotics at least). On the other hand, buy B-glucan and give it to your daughter as a supplement. That will make the immune system very harsh on the Candida's D-glucan ( So it is like giving your daughter a vaccine against Candida). I also just recently read about a scientific paper that shows how zapping kills candida. The article was written by a team from a Polish university. So you can get a small zapper and start zapping also. Your daughter will get a huge die-off reaction, so be careful, don't stop the treatment, just some patience and everything will be OK. Also I read recently that KI which is Iodide potassium kills very well a range fungus. So you can give it a try. Don't forget to alkalinize the body of your daughter by giving her some Japanese prune. I hope that your daughter will be well and I'm sorry for my poor English because I'm not an anglophone and English is my 4Th language."

EC: Japanese plum= umeboshi which can be found in health food stores and Japanese grocery stores.

07/29/2010: Mdee from Provo, Ut replies: "Yeah I'll do my best. So first off understand that I was eating mostly lard and milk fat (raw milk)when I easily rid candida. Coconut oil is good, I'm not sure if it has the full range of fats but if not it's close so it should work. Basically all you are just going to use saturated fat when ever you eat and use fat in your diet. (Don't try and do low fat your body needs it) So when you make brownies, fry an egg, make stir fry or whatever use lard, tallow, butter or coconut oil. I mostly mention coconut oil because vegetarians/vegans will at least try plus it's not as scary, it doesn't need to be virgin or organic either. BUT. . . . . You need GOOD FAT and MINERALS, without both you won't beat candida as well as other issues. From my experience minerals have to be bound to a protein (chelated), I've never had success with supplements, we can't get nutrients from rocks, coral or chemically chelated ions that they put in pills, try if you want I'm just trying to save you money. INSTEAD get them from raw foods (when you cook heat changes the proteins shape which no longer binds the mineral ion so your body can't absorb it). You need both raw plant foods and raw animal/microbe foods. Raw milk and yolks are a great option. Good luck! "

07/29/2010: Freakzilla154l from Philadelphia, Pa, Usa replies: "Mdee,

Could you expand on what you were explaining. Are you talking about coconut oil and consuming it? I have tried this with no success but didn't do it long. Thanks again!"

07/29/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines replies: "Hi Moriah. . . . I had bad candida for over 8 years and I knew that it was serious and I had to do something about it when I couldn't go to toilet for seven days. My own symptoms were: constipation, irregular and infrequent bowel movement, bloating, psoriasis, eczma, extreme tiredness, jock itch, arrythmia, low energy all the time, overweight and insomnia. There are are over 20 possible symptoms of candida, and these symptoms will always vary between different candida sufferers.

Here is a link to a comment stream that also provides a link to the original protocol that I followed to cure my own candida. I also give a full description -- with dosages and links -- of the new anti-candida protocol that I would follow now. The new anti-candida protocol is at the end of the comment stream at this link:

My Candida Protocol

Both the protocols from the link follow Ted from Bangkok's remedies for candida. And I can attest that his methods work, because my own candida is now gone (and it's going to stay that way! ! ).

Worth a mention is that when my candida disappeared, all the symptoms mentioned above simply evaporated. In my research on candida and its symptoms, I also noted that the medical profession openly regards psoriasis as both a pre-cancerous condition and incurable. But when I cured my candida, I can assure you that my psoriasis just disappeared altogether. Therefore I came to several conclusions about this. First, curing the candida was what cured my psoriasis, and second -- it is not psoriasis that is a pre-cancerous condition, but rather candida that is the pre-cancerous culprit. Also, and in my own mind anyway, if anyone has psoriasis -- I would immediately suspect candida as a possible cause. Therefore systemic candida is certainly not a trivial condition, but very dangerous for the body.
Good Luck"

07/30/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines replies: "Hi Moriah. . . The link to my Candida Protocol isn't working, so here is the link to original candida protocol:

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/alkalizing_formulas.html#AH

When I used my old original candida protocol I did not know what I know now -- 3 or 4 years later. My original remedy took a whole year to get rid of my candida, but Ted has said that you can get rid of it in for months. So here is the protocol I would use now:

To Improve your Body Terrain

*Take Ted's Lime/Lemon alkalizing remedies at least 2-3 times a day as recommended. These alkalizing remedies create the worst possible environment for the candida while simultaneously creating a healthy and oxygenated body terrain. Also take the BS with water remedy on it's own one hour before bed - this will help you get a good nights sleep. If you have problems with this, then use Ted's Carbicarb remedy -- this is more balanced and incorporates potassium to balance any sodium issues. Potassium citrate can be taken to more directly aid intracellular alkalization. See this link:http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/candida4.html#TEDS

*Take at least 2 tablespoons of Virgin Coconut Oil(VCO) per day to help constipation and intestinal issues. VCO contains mainly medium chain saturated acids, very protective for the intestines, liver and blood. Contains lauric acid, capric acid, caprylic acid and myristic acid -- these act as anti-microbials helping to destroy the candida as well as protecting theintestines from any further external microbial invasion. See this link:http://coconutoil.com/research.htm. I don't use vegetable oils anymore, I cook only with VCO now.

*Take herb supplements like Milk Thistle or Dandylion because the candida die-off(Herx reaction) will create a big strain on both your immune system and the liver which will have to clear the dead candida debris and toxins from your blood -- so you must protect and strengthen your liver during the protocol. Think of this simply as taking out the candida trash. This die-off will give you flu-like or liverish symptoms and perhaps some diarrhea. Accept this and work your way through it as it should disappear once your body gains overall control again.

*Detox and get rid of heavy metals from your body. Due to diet and if you've taken medicinal drugs for any length of time you will have an accumulation of heavy metals. This is a direct cause of acidity and therefore a direct cause of candida. To get rid of the heavy metals just drink green tea 2 or 3 times a day and eat Cilantro 3 times a week in salads. You can also use Sodium Thiosulphate (bought cheaply at any aquatics shop) to get rid of heavy metals, arsenic, cyanide and chlorine. These will get rid of heavy metals over time and the dosage is 6 drops a day in a glass of water. Heavy metals create an ideal acidic environment for candida as well as for many other auto-immune and immune-deficient illnesses such as arthritis and cancer. See this link: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/sodium_thiosulfate.html

Remedies that Directly Attack the Candida

*Drink 1/8 teaspoon of borax in a litre of water throughout the day. Take this for 4 days on then rest for 3 days. So, 4 days on, 3 days off with the Borax. Borax is the ultimate anti-fungal, also good for bones and helps to balance the hormones as well as leeches out the fluoride from your body. Borax ups and helps rebalance your hormones, which is why you must rest for 3 days -- to avoid gland over-stimulation. Read about Borax here: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html#TBF

*Methylene Blue(MB). You can buy this at any aquatics or fish supply store. Used to get rid of fungal and bacterial infections on fish. Also used throughout the last century as a successful anti-malarial. Taking MB on its own will turn your urine green and the whites of your eyes blue, but if you take at least 1000 mgs Vitamin C with the MB, these side-effects will not occur. Dosage: Two drops of a 0. 1% solution of MB in a full glass of water once or twice a day. Do not take MB after 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon - it gives you alot of energy so you will not be able to sleep! ! (I learned this the hard way. . . LOL) MB is a deep acting anti-fungal that is able to penetrate the blood/brain and blood/bone barriers of the body. MB is also a marvellous mitochondrial super anti-oxidant for your brain -- gives you lots of energy. Read about MB here:http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/methylene-blue.html

* Supplementing with at least 12. 5 mgs of 5% lugols iodine per day -- two drops a day in a glass of water(you can use more). Read about proper dosages of iodine from the Iodine Project(most current research) here: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-02/IOD_02.htm which are over 100 times the RDA recommended daily dose of 0. 125 mgs. Iodine will also help to balance your hormones and is also able to remove dangerous halogens like fluorine and bromine from your body. Iodine is, historically also a very effective candida killer.

* Hydrogen peroxide(food grade) -- I just use a capful of 3% HP in one litre of water a day when I need it. Sometimes I splash 3% HP all over my body, this kills everything bad topically as well as being absorbed quite well transdermally into my body by this method. Very potent against all forms of bacteria, viruses and fungus. See this link for more on HP:http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide3.html#CF

Additional and Useful Vitamin and Mineral Supplements

* Vitamin C -- Taken in the more alkaline form of Sodium Ascorbate -- at least 1000 mgs twice a day. Vit C is an anti-oxidant and also chelates heavy metals as well. * Magnesium -- Taken as Mag Chloride, Mag Citrate or Mag Gluconate. Dosage: 250 mgs twice a day. Magnesium is involved in over 300 major enzyme body processes and also gets rid of any staph or strep bacteria quite well. Magnesium Chloride is the best form of magnesium in my opinion. See this link: http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=49&db=5&C0=74" target="_blank

* Natural Sea Salt or Fulvic/Humic Acid -- Both of these will act in the same way as absorbtion synergists as well as help create a healthy intestine and help to supply other much needed minerals to your body.

Diet

Avoid the following -- all sugar and sugar foods, dairy, all polyunsaturated vegetable oils, aspartame, sucralose, saccharine, MSG, soft drinks, junk foods, fried foods, baked goods containing white flour, red meat and atibiotics. Use coconut oil to cook everything with and use only Stevia as a sweetener. Your diet should contain low amounts of white meat like chicken, turkey and fish with high amounts of vegetables. Rice is OK.

There are other methods of helping to get rid of candida, but I've taken a blanket approach -- I always assume, from my own experience with candida, that other problems caused by other resident bacteria, viruses etc will arise because of the candida and these also need to be addressed at the same time and so this are incorporated into the above protocol.

Ted from Bangkok will have many more remedies up his sleeve that will certainly work -- such as BHT (Butylated Hydroxytoluene) and Azoxystrobin (agri fungicide), but these substances are hard to obtain and I've never used them so I can't really comment. But I have used(and still using) all the above recommended remedies now and I haven't been ill -- no colds, flu or any other problem -- for well over 3 years since I cured myself of candida and I'm over 60 y o now. I've tried to keep the candida remedy relatively simple yet potent. See this link for more descriptions from Ted on Candida http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/candida_questions.html."

08/04/2010: Cindy from Cochrane, Wi replies: "Questions for Bill

Does borax kill all bacteria, good and bad? Also, do you need to supplement with probiotics when doing your candida protocol. Thanks"

08/04/2010: Labes from Toronto, Ontario, Canada replies: "Hi Cindy, I wish that your daughter is OK. Regarding Borax, I don't believe in this stuff because I tried it myself for two weeks and it does nothing at all. I got more stomach pain then I had to stop it. A lot of remedies here are just myths like the Alkaline theory. I think that people get just some placebo effect from those remedies rather than direct effect. Some remedies are true like turmeric against Salmonella and some Staph but some remedies are nothing but myths. The best thing against candida is probiotics and the diet plus the raw garlic. And please be careful about those strange myths that can kill us. I have tried the Alkaline Ted remedy plus borax and I got more and I more sicker. I'm not saying that there is no beneficial effect from borax ( I have no Idea) but what is claimed here seems strange since some remedies work for some and doesn't work for others and give a serious side effect to others."

08/04/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines replies: "Hi Cindy... For systemic candida, I would not use probiotics like yogurt because yogurt contains lactic acid, which is also a by-product of candida respiration, which tends to encourage candida. Also, if the candida is systemic, then it will exist in very high concentration throughout your intestines and body, and so it is unlikely that the probiotic will have much effect because of its relative low concentration and numbers compared to the much higher concentration of candida.

In my own experience with candida, there will be many ups and downs while you take any successful protocols for candida. The Herx or die-off effect can come and go and last a considerable time and be quite unpleasant. This die-off effect really depends on the extent of the systemic candida throughout your own body.

I've also noticed that many people who start a protocol for candida tend to give up the particular protocol because they insist that they are allergic or that they felt awful and the protocol did nothing for them. What these people do not realize is that this is probably the candida die-off effect, and giving up the protocol may make them feel better but then they are still stuck with the candida -- alive, well and spreading, inside their bodies. Like I have said, this die-off reaction can be quite unpleasant, and can make you feel much worse.

Also, in some descriptions of taking these protocols, some only take them for two weeks or so. I find this a little amusing, since it took me a whole year to cure my own candida. As I've repeatedly said here on EC, there is no magic bullet out there that can cure particularly systemic candida quickly. Wishful thinking I'm afraid -- I've tried several of them in the past, all of which which never worked. Therefore, a multi-protocol is the best way to attack the candida, attacking it in many different ways is, in my opinion, the quickest and best way to get rid of systemic candida. But this will take time and there will be periods when you will feel awful and times when you feel better. Therefore there are elements of personal focus and will involved in order to get rid of systemic candida."

08/04/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines replies: "Hi Cindy... Concerning Borax, yes borax does kill other bacteria, viruses etc, but it is perhaps the ultimate fungal killer as well. Borax is also beneficial to the bones and balances the hormones as well.

If you are concerned about using Borax, you could also orally use 0. 5% Hydrogen Peroxide, Neem leaf extract or large dose Lugol's Iodine against the candida.

Hydrogen Peroxide is a body friendly chemical which is used by the blood lymphocytes to kill bacteria, viruses and fungus. Similarly HP is also used by friendly bacteria in the lining of the uterus and in the intestines for the same reason.

Neem leaf extract is unique in that it seems to also kill the bad bacteria in the gut whilst not harming the friendly, useful bacteria.

Iodine is stored in the mucus glands throughout the intestines, uterus, breast etc, and is also very body friendly and is a very useful fungal killer when used in larger doses."

08/04/2010: Lisa from Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa replies: "Labes, In response to your last post, I would like to remind you that that is your opinion. There are plenty of people on here that have found help on this site. These are not "myths" as you put it. They are folk remedies that have been passed down through the ages and are an alternative to aggressive medical intervention for problems that often can be addressed with natural remedies. What are you referring to "strange myths that can kill us?"

As for the alkaline remedy of Ted's and the borax- 2 weeks? Are you kidding? Candida is something that must be persistently worked at ridding as it is very aggressive in nature. Also, it is not at all unusual to get quite sick during a detox. It is an uncomfortable experience to be sure but one that must be gone through to reach the other side- your true health! And do you even understand the idea behind alkalinizing the body? There's a lot out there about the absolute importance to alkalinizing. There are books out there about it, doctors are now bringing attention to it ( more open-minded ones- i.e.Dr. Joseph Mercola) and there are websites to learn how to do just that-alkalinize.

Addressing your comment that some remedies work for some and some don't work for others and yet, for others there are "side effects". Well, remember the principle of uniqueness- that we are all unique individuals and bodies. Everyone is exactly that- different. Hence, the varying results for individuals. The special quality of this website is that everyone is free to post and give their results. We, as free-thinking people can then make choices. Please think before posting such negativity. Peace, Lisa"

08/05/2010: Cindy from Cochrane, Wi replies: "Thanks Lisa! My thoughts too!"

08/05/2010: Cindy from Cochrane, Wi replies: "Thank you Bill for your quick response and all your helpful information. I plan to get started on Ted's protocol for candida."

08/05/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines replies: "Hi Labes... Your advice and opinion concerning Ted's alkalizing protocols is somewhat surprising. Your complaint that it caused pains and aches in your stomach and that taking Borax made you feel more sick doesn't surprise me one bit. By writing that in your comment it would seem that you have absolutely no understanding of the Herxheimer Effect or Candida die-off effect whatsoever. Look it up sometime.

Most people who have had candida and have done their research, know exactly what the Herx effect is and understand it completely and accept it. I don't know how long you have had your candida, but my guess is that it has been with you for some years. It also appears that you are looking for a cure for your candida that is pleasant and comfortable.

Here is another simple fact -- there are more beneficial as well as bad microbes in your intestines alone than the total number of cells in your whole body. And if your candida has gone systemic and infected your blood tissues and organs then Lord only knows how many billions or trillions of candida cells exist in your body at the moment. So when you kill off all that candida, your body will always have to cope with the strain of the released toxins and debris from the dead candida. And this is what causes aches and pains in the stomach or gut, this is what causes fevers and a feeling of sickness.

The Herxheimer Effect is very well known in medical science. Just type "Herxheimer candida" in Google Search and see what you get. I would also add that you will always get a die-off effect when you successfully start to kill the candida and you will always feel sicker before you get better with any successful anti-candida protocol.

Your opinions also seem to have offended several EC users who know all about the Herx Effect, but apparently you have absolutely no grasp or understanding of it at all.

And I've said it before, there is no pleasant and comfortable magic-bullet cure for candida. And if you use Ted's alkalizing remedies or borax again, try them for at least two months before you rubbish them, which should be a suitable enough length of time for you to get over the inevitable and unpleasant Herx die-off effect."

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