Cat Mange Natural Treatment

Eye Area Remedies
Posted by Eva (United States) on 12/01/2019

Hello, my cat just started having a small patch of mange right at the edge of his eye? What remedies are safe to use right next to the eye?


Ted's Borax and Peroxide Remedy for Mange
Posted by Tien (California) on 08/26/2019
★★★★★

I used Ted's recipe and I used a rag to give my poor stray a sponge bath. I put him in a large kennel and was able to wipe him down pretty well with Ted's recipe. My kitty had the mange on his head and most of his back along the spine area. He had lost quite a bit of hair and his skin was red, inflamed and scabby. After 3 days, there was no more redness and hair was beginning to grow. After 1 week, he is 95 percent healed!! This is miracle stuff! He's a completely different cat in just one week! He's actually soft to touch! Thank you so much! I wish I could post pictures of the results after just one week!

EC: Hi Tien, please email your pics to [email protected] and we will add them to your post. Yay!

Ted's Borax and Peroxide Remedy for Mange
Posted by Eva (United States) on 12/01/2019

My cats mange just began! He only has one spot right at the edge of his eye! How do I treat this area since it's right next to the eye?


Ivomec
Posted by Katydid (Katy) on 08/30/2018
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Ivomec/Ivermectin for mange, mites, and heartworm prevention

Ivermectin is such a common thing around here that I never for a moment stopped to think others may not know about it, but I just read it as a cure here and wanted to say it works, and it works fast. I live in the south and all the rescues use it. It is not a 'natural' cure. But it is an OTC one anyone can buy. You'll have to ask at your local feed or farm store. It is an injectable liquid; but you will give it orally instead for heartworm prevention, and it can be used topically for mites. No need to mess with needles. Dosage will depend on your cat or dog's weight and what you're treating or preventing; look it up online.

The bottle is mildly expensive but keeps a LONG time because you need so little of it. I've had mine ten years, it still works. When it doesn't I'll replace it. I use it monthly on the dogs for heartworm treatment. SUPER CHEAP. Takes literally a few drops to treat them and prevent heartworms. Yes, it can also be used for other things like mange/mites. I prefer to use borax for mites, but honestly the ivermectin works faster. However, it is not by any means a natural cure. And I don't care if the cure you want to use is natural or man-made; you should always test a little bit first and see to make sure your pet doesn't have a reaction.


Ivermectin
Posted by Jj (Crystal River Florida) on 06/27/2017
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Re: Mites in Cat

I used a brand of ivermectin it was a 1% sterile solution on a stray that couldn't be trapped, the mange covered his eyes, they were almost crusted over. I used approx. 1 to two drops in some fishy food -cat weight about 9lbs. The cat hid and I didn't see him for a little while but when he showed up he was beautiful. I read they should get another dose after the first- so he had only one more drop in fishy cat food. He still looks great. Go very easy if using. Some cats may not tolerate, but as a last resort saved this cat.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Harlene (Louisiana) on 02/04/2017

Can you put the DE in the cats ears as well as on the skin? Also what if they lick the area that has the DE on it?


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Lauren (Florida) on 02/11/2017

I also have 14 cats that I am caring for. Coincidentally too, I live in Florida, but we have no fire ants in my area. Question please. Where to you buy the D.E. and is what you use the food grade kind that you dust the cats with? My 3 indoor cats seem to be suffering from mites; not mange. The biting and scatching is awful.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Debra (Florida) on 10/18/2023

I get food grade diatomaceous earth on Amazon. I am also from Florida.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Teresa (Illinois) on 03/21/2018

My cat seems like he has the mange..which DE fomula do I try...there's a bunch of different kinds


Ivomec
Posted by Kristen (Fl, Belleview ) on 02/24/2017

Hello, I'm in desperate need of advice. Around here I'm the one people bring animals without anywhere to go...to. We ended up with a kitten around 6wks old with a bad case of scarcoptic mange. I've kept him separately however one of my cats got in with him without knowing. My 5 cats and 1 dog are on advantage and supposedly it helps keep it at bay who knows. Soo we bought ivermectin 1% injectable but I'm terrified to use it on the kitten and them....and obviously to treat all of them from the vet is out of my price range unfortunately. Does anyone know how much to dose such a small kitten and if it's safe for all them? Any suggestions would be awesome!


Sea Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, Olive Oil
Posted by Gail (Amherst, Ohio) on 07/14/2016

Cat mange cure. Wouldn't the sea salt burn?


Sea Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, Olive Oil
Posted by Kay (Texas) on 08/07/2016

How many times do I need to apply this mix?


Sea Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, Olive Oil
Posted by Pam (Australia ) on 08/21/2016

Hi. What quantities should you use, when you say equal parts as 2 are liquids and the sea salt would dissolve? Thankyou


Sea Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, Olive Oil
Posted by Robert (Ohio) on 01/18/2017

How often do you treat the cats and do you leave it on or bath or rinse it off


Sea Salt, Hydrogen Peroxide, Olive Oil
Posted by Bertha (El Monte, Ca) on 03/01/2018

How do you mix it, and place it on cat's skin??


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Valliegirl2008 (Lake Charles, Louisiana) on 11/07/2015

Do u have a picture of what kind u used?


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Beth (Medford Or) on 11/29/2015

Hello-~Help, at wits end! I applied DE all over my two indoor (kitten and cats fur) a few hours ago. Is it common for them to twitch, cry and scratch more??? How long does it take to kill these fleas from them? I also applied Frontline Plus two weeks ago but they still have bad fleas! I sprinkled DE on carpet and my comforter also (hope it's ok on the bed I have electric blanket beneath comforter). Thanks!


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Mary (Maryland) on 01/03/2016

I bathed one cat's excoriated tummy with castille soap. It worked great! But then, I have to do this weekly. Another cat we've been giving vet-prescribed allergy pills, but...I think mange is the issue, not allergies. So I will try the ACV in her water. I also am giving her a tsp of yogurt daily now. This cat has been driven CRAZY by her skin condition. Taking her to the vet is not going to help, I've concluded. I have DE; DE doesn't work too well for fleas in one experiment I did: I put DE power in a floor tray and covered with a screen. Fleas do jump in, but they breed like crazy. I dump it out the window, with hundreds of baby fleas. I have had zero success with Frontline for the past two years. I called the mfr about it and was told that I was "not using it correctly". This is why people are switching to Advantage. I wonder if fleas are also becoming Advantage-resistant?


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Susan (North Carolina) on 05/15/2016

I have noticed that Advantage is not working as well as when I started using it. I have had the same experience with Revolution and Frontline. My friend told me to alternate each month. I freakin hate fleas and the area where I now live is, evidently, the world flea capital.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Cynthia (Colorado) on 12/26/2016

How do you keep your cat from ingesting the DE since it is not considered food grade? I have 4 cats and they all seem to be infested with demondex mange. I need to find a cure to stop their itching and get a handle. I can rub the DE on them or comb it through but I am afraid of cross grooming or self grooming and ot becoming toxic. Thank you.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Renee (Ca) on 01/23/2017

Please use only food grade DE on your kitty. You can buy it through amazon and any health food market.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Grace (Pdx) on 02/23/2017

We have an indoor cat, Cotton, for 11 years no issues, One day I noticed she was itching ..going crazy biting her fur, licking herself over and over and just moping ... We checked with a magnifying glass for fleas, nothing off to the Vet . The Vet checked her with a nit comb and guess what a black flea! I actually refused to believe it so the Vet did it again and another flea. The vet also found she had an infected tooth which could make anyone go crazy. At my husband's work someone bought a puppy to his work a few times and I think he carried a flea home with him. Before taking her to the VET we had tried Apple cider Vinegar a couple days later we did hydrogen peroxides with borax, then the third day I tried sea salt nothing Then after the VET told us it was fleas, we used DE we saw the fastest quickest response with FOOD GRADE Diatomaceous Earth within an hour no more itching, biting her fur or licking or going crazy she was calm tranquil again ...her old self. We flea fogged our house washed all the throw rugs in hot water and sprinkle fine sea alt in all the places she likes to lay down problem solved and vacuumed and put sea salt in the vacuum bag to kill any flea or eggs from hatching again.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Merry (Tn) on 06/09/2020

ONLY use Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth! The other kind is made for pool filters and is very dangerous to use around pets. Food grade is completely safe and even helpful to add to their food. It helps to eliminate internal parasites. One teaspoon in the food per day for a grown cat.

Keep studying - there is a lot of information on the web.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 01/29/2015

Hey Cindy!

My thoughts are: when you hear a stampede think cattle- not zebras!

Meaning: mange is uncommon to rare in cats, you are more likely dealing with a heavy flea infestation in your farm cat. You certainly could sprinkle the DE in the sleeping area, but to be most effective you should apply to the cat and work the DE down to the skin.

Not sure how viable this option would be for you, but you can make a simple flea trap with a small desk lamp, dish soapy water and a white plate. You put the lamp on the floor/in the sleeping area and put the plate of soapy water under neath the bulb - turn it on at night and check in the morning. This is an effective way to remove fleas from the environment.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Sarah (Gassville, Ar) on 11/07/2015

On using DE: I bought some from our local Orscheln store to treat my cat, but I was wanting to know, how often should I retreat her? She was fairly cooperative putting it on her, thankfully. I'd been treating her for fleas, thinking that was the problem, until I started getting bites on my legs. Her favorite place to be is on the leg rest of my recliner when it's open... I am on a fixed income, so taking her to the vet would mean not paying one of my regular bills, so I did a search for some other options and found this page.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 11/09/2015

Hey Sarah,

You still could be dealing with fleas, particularly at this time of year when it gets cold outside and the fleas will jump on your cat to get a ride to a warmer place. You might consider setting up a simple lamp trap to see if you catch fleas; the lamp trap is inexpensive and effective at removing fleas from the environment/chair. As for how often to dust your cat, I would dust her down to the skin every 3 days or so, taking care that she did not inhale it.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Vickie (Oh) on 11/18/2015

I contracted scabbies from my cat Mugsy who I thought was just allergic to fleas until I broke out in a rash. The medicine Permethrin the Doctor prescribed me is lethal to cats. Once I treat her with DE then me with the presribed med.. Will I need to do anything to bedding clothing furniture etc. to keep them from coming back? If so.. can I sprinkle this DE powder on stuff? The "Red Lake" has bentonite and is not safe for human consumption. Does that mean that humans can't ingest it? Or come in contact with it period?

Also.. She's had this for many months. The only reason I finally got them is.. I was a week behind on getting her Frontline flea medicine because I'm on disability and had no money. I felt horrible because she was scratching so profusely.. so I held her and was scratching her bumps myself with my fingernails! Lastly can another human catch them from me? I know they're not easy to catch from a feline since she's had this for over a year and I've never caught it from her and I hold her and pet her all the time.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Gail (Canada) on 09/07/2014

Can you use DE to cure ear mites in cats? If so, how do you get it in their ears?


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Shanna ( Santa Ana, Ca) on 04/29/2015

Hi Pearlie, I'm to my last end. I tried Lime sulfur dip, sulfinex, sulfur powder mixed with Vaseline, and all they do was irritate my cat's skin. He seems to be in pain and misery when I use these products on him. I read about this DE product and it comes in dust form. I came across your post and I was just amazed how great you are with these cats. You are a beautiful person for helping out these poor cats. Do you mix the DE with some type of liquid before rubbing it onto the affected areas? Please please help me. I cannot bare to see my cat goes through this any longer and everyone kept on telling me to put him to sleep so he won't be in misery any longer. I am hoping to hear from you soon. Thank you


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by V. Rogers (Michigan) on 07/02/2015

Diatomaceous Earth is only effective as a powder. Once it's wet, it's done. So you powder your cat with it. A little bit rubbed down to the skin at a time. It's very dusty so outside is a good idea. And your poor cat will inhale so do everything slowly. It's very messy but effective. I wipe my cats eyes with a wet paper towel afterward. DE is basically powdered fossil shells--mostly silica. It cuts up the little critters like mites and fleas. Make sure to get "food grade" DE because kitty will lick some of it off.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Bob (Revere, Mass.) on 09/26/2015

Can I use the diatomaceous earth for my swimming pool filter for my cat's mange?

EC: Only Food Grade DE should be used on animals.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Dot (Pittsburgh, Pa) on 11/21/2015

Thank you very much for blogging...sweet baby Oliver will be treated...one year scratching...so very simple!!


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Lynn (Pawtucket, R. I.) on 06/21/2016

Where do you buy Diatomaceous Earth?

EC: Check your local farm store. Diatomaceous earth is commonly purchased for livestock use.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Renee (California) on 06/23/2016

Thanks you all who took the time to write your experience my cat and I picked up mites at our motor home we have in the the desert I have been using DE it on us but wasn't sure if it was enough. I dump out my" baby powder" and filled the clean container with DE. My whole house has a dust layer of DE. I have been cleaning. Then dusting with DE. I going to be getting a kitten I want to make sure my home is ok for the new guy


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Marissa (San Pedro, California ) on 09/16/2016

How do I apply it? Do I take it off after a certain amount of time? How often do I apply it?


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Zephyr (Oakland, Ca) on 11/21/2016

You can buy DE at hardware stores like Ace, or at garden centers/nurseries, you don't have to search for a feed store- unless you happen to live in a place where those are common.


Diatomaceous Earth
Posted by Tammy (Kissimmee Fla) on 03/12/2017

I am also taking care of a kitten with mange. The DE is working but not sure how to put on his face without getting it in his eyes.


Mange
Posted by Susan E. (Pennsylvania) on 04/21/2018

Why would all of you go to such lengths, when Frontline Plus pour-on (or a more generic "Fipronil" product will do), is simply a pour-on, right on the neck of the animal like most flea treatment (and kills fleas also) & poof, problem solved, PLUS you are mange free for a month, sooooo no possible reinfection from surfaces, wild animals. My Mom & I went through this GIANT ridiculous month-long treatment duo with 7 cats & I found out later how easy it could've been from my VET-TECH. Now the only thing everyone needs to be sure of is NEVER NEVER EVER use Permethrin on CATS!!!! Its killing so many Cats that they have asked Veterinarians all across the United States to put up their laminated poster in every office. It will kill them in a pour-on, or make them very very sick; if accidental, quickly wash them with only mild soap (especially on the neck), preferably Baby Shampoo (tried & true), force-feed w/a syringe (no needle) water & a little bit of activated charcoal (don't give them any where near a full capsule) & then run them just as fast as your GPS & car can get you to an animal emergency clinic or open veterinarian, even if you didn't call ahead. You can get activated charcoal at Wal-Mart near the Beano capsules in the gas relief medicine section & the capsules are bright pink. Or you can get some at Jefferspetsupply.com, I think its called Kaolin Suspension. I'm not sure that this works for a pesticide though and Permey=thrin "IS" a pesticide. All of those pour-ons are, however I understand Brewers Yeast can help alot with fleas and ticks, probably on OnlyNaturalPet.com, who also carry some kick-butt tinctures that are herbs, etc. to calm cats down so you can treat them, for thunderstorms, constipation, the works (God I love this site). They can at least tell you the closest hospital. However, always know what the best Animal Hospital is near you & have directions right there. Been there, done that, and you poor people (like me) will quickly realize how much cost doesn't matter when your love is looking bad, but try not to go to a big fancy pants shiny new machines free food place. They'll treat you real good, but not even rich people should pay those prices (as did I recently), but I was a butt-head, but I got back on the Facebook with the owner, I explained & she wants me to call her. The only time it is ever ok to say cats & Permethrin in the same sentence is if it is ear mite drops. Don't get them on their skin, but if you do, have a warm soapy rag ready to wipe it off - - twice.


Mange
Posted by Maryann (Rialto Calif) on 06/21/2016

Hi Becky, I read how you cured your cat. Great!! My daughter rescued a kitten and he has manage. How long did it take for your kitten to get well... :( I'm just so upset, I am not sure if what I have tried is working. I did apple cider Oil 3-days.


Mange
Posted by Yajnaseni (New Delhi, India) on 01/13/2012

Hi, I have been reading about Ted's cure for mange in dogs. I wanted to know whether this is safe for cats. I have a one-and-a-half yeay old male tabby who has been suffering from scabies (as told by the vet) for over a year now. Vet treatments, spectrazole, antibiotics, 3-5 round of washes have not helped. The top of his head and his neck have gone completely bald and he has a thin layer of fur. I am based in New Delhi and winters are harsh here, I feel really bad for him. So if the borax and peroxide treatment could work, I am willing to try it. But, I am worried about the toxic effect. My cat's immune system is not great either. Thanks for all the help.

Yajnaseni

Mange
Posted by Jeff (Il) on 09/16/2017

I used it on my 2 dogs and it worked amazingly well and now I'm treating the cats who I am unsure if they have it. It can't hurt them either way. Will keep fleas off too.

I put it on their faces with a washcloth. That is the only place I saw some mites afterwards. You really have to saturate everywhere even the face. But put in eye drops first from GENTEAL tears lubricant eye gel. Protects their eyes more because its thicker than regular drops. Do for dogs as well.

Use the microfiber towels from Costco in the car section, soak in bucket with product and put on the cats-these hold a lot of the solution and you can wring it out around their necks and legs. For cats I feel its easier to just dip them in a laundry sink or pail outside and wash them with long leather gloves if they have claws with a leash.


Activated Charcoal
Posted by Dalsan (Aloha, Or Usa) on 01/02/2012
★★★★★

I wanted to pass on something mentioned on Curezone that can help those using Ted's mange cure on cats or pets that lick themselves repeatedly.

My cat has a sacroptic mange re-infection and I'm again treating her with Ted's cure.

The very first time I bathed Kat with the borax/ peroxide mix I kept her in my warmed up bathroom and sat with her until she was almost dry. I didn't have a collar to keep her from licking, so I tried to keep her distracted. She still licked enough off to end up vomiting. The thought of doing this again several times made me heartsick.

I was reading up Curezone.com sometime later when someone mentioned Activated Charcoal. It's what they use in hospitals to adsorb (not absorb) poisons that have been ingested. It's saved many a life- yet is very inexpensive and available over the counter at most health food stores.

Most households that have kids- have AC in their medicine cabinet- just in case. I even had some on hand - but had long forgotten about it.

Anyway, just before the next bath I mixed a 1/2 tsp. of the AC powder into 1/2 oz of water and put some into a 1. 0mm syringe then squirted the syringe-full into Kat's mouth. Her eyes got big- she expected it to taste bad like her other meds I guess- but there's no taste to it and she didn't mind it at all.

The second bath was a bit more of a struggle- she Hates baths- but this time she didn't get sick, nor the 3rd one either.

Now the family uses it regularly again for an upset stomach and/or occasional diarrhea and I'm going to use it as part of a colon cleanse. It works fast and is virtually non-toxic.

Unfortunately, most stores only sell Activated Charcoal in capsules now. But in a pinch you can open one or two and get the powder that way (I couldn't get the tiniest capsule down my Kat on a bet. LOL)

We prefer to keep the powder on hand- it's way cheaper in the long run- and there are so many other ways to use it. The cheapest site I've found sells a 10oz can for under $12 shipped that will last us for several months.

Hope those with mange cats will give the AC a try.


Respiratory Infection, Mange
Posted by Natalie (Manitoba) on 10/07/2015

That sounds like fleas, as u cannot see mites!


Mites
Posted by Penny (Polo, Ill) on 01/14/2014

Where do I get borax and what is the amount of borax/ peroxide to use?


Mites
Posted by Edward (Greensboro, Nc) on 07/24/2014

Diamond: Please be wary of using permethrin on cats! See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin and http://mangecure.info/Mange/mandes_DesperateMeasures.html


Mites
Posted by Robin (Kentucky) on 02/14/2016

My cat is large, 40 inches nose to tail tip and 20 lbs.. When I bathe him I wear an old sweatsuit.. Assemble everything needed, put warm water in the tub and lock the door.. Then I hold him and climb into the tub with him.. It's messy but it's the only way I can handle him.. He goes out in the rain but hates the warm water..


Mites
Posted by Jessiecat (Tx) on 05/24/2016

What if the gangster cat never had a bath? How would I do this quickly?


Mites
Posted by Diamond (Salisbury, Ma.usa) on 05/04/2011

Well I said I would be back to post more info. On my kitten and her progress;and a slow progress it was. I found a kitten approx. Four months ago wandering the streets in a heavy snow storm, I brought her home and fed her but her food would not stay down so after a months try I did a web search and thankfully I found this site;while examining my new kitten I found sores all over her body they were nasty looking, so I again checked this site and there it was"Mange"I gave her the treatments with a few days in between to rest as I was trying to build up her immune system, she was very thin, tiny and sickly. I gave her ACV in her food and after a day or two she was doing great holding her food down and wanting to eat more and more, she is much better in that dept. After two full months of this over load of mange covering her whole body except her face yet! I finally got most of these mites out but the others were stubborn and developing new babies, finally I went to the drug store to get some quell for scabies, it was not over the counter as I had thought, so I searched through all items for cooties of the head lol there is one for head lice with permethrin, I put it on her an left it for five minutes and rinsed her twice to be sure there was no more solution on her body as it would have burned her skin, she is now hopefully free and clear of any mites except the dead ones I comb out with a fine tooth comb offered with the lice solution. I am so thankful for this site and that my kitty has a newer start in life, pain free.

Thanks to every one that has made peoples education about animals care more available, cheaper and easier to treat.

I hope to come back with yet more good news on the progress of my sweet little kitty" Muffin" I wish I had of taken a pic. before and after, she is now beautiful, fat and brassy, she is the youngest//smallest and yet she is in charge of all other pets here including the dogs lol

God bless every one.


Mites
Posted by Diamond (Salisbury, Ma.usa) on 04/01/2011

As I had written in previous messages, I have a stray kitten here she is the sweetest kitty ever, I'm willing to try most any thing to help her get better and I might say she has improved a wee bit from the time I found her from five to ten weeks later, at first she could not hold any food down at all, she was biting & itching constantly, I gave her Apple Cider Vinegar everyday & now she eats everything constantly and still wants more, because of these mites they suck the nutrients from the animals bodies. I have actually seen two of these mites flying around the house after one of my kitties treatments of borax and peroxide then I put vit. E all over her as these mites couldn't get back on board or whatever. These mites have an all black body except on top of the back has an oval shape blood red on it's back and they are some big; so they must burrow real deep. I have been giving my kitten a probiotic 500mg which seems to some what help. I'm very nervous as it's so much harder to do a cat/kitten because they fear water. I still see red dots on her back? she won't sit still so I can examine her and I don't really have anyone to help me with her. I was wondering if it be acceptable to use a dropper and put mineral oil in her ears? they are dirty and infested. Every time I call my vet his wife's calculator starts kicking in.

I had some what expected and/or hoped for a quick remedy never knowing what these mites are or how they were eliminated. I read where it's worse for the animal if they get too stressed out so I try to let her rest a few days but by then she runs from me. I really hate putting her through this again. How can I tell if she has anymore? And does these red dots mean they are still there? Thanks every one.


Borax and Peroxide Treatment
Posted by Donna (Manchester, Nh) on 01/01/2014

Please let me know if there is a peroxide and borax amout to bathe an entire cat in. My cat has invisible mites and Revolution is not working. Thank you


Borax and Peroxide Treatment
Posted by Sandy (Bham. Al.) on 08/24/2015

Will hydrogen peroxide/borax hurt a cat if they lick it after applied?


Borax and Peroxide Treatment
Posted by Alexandra (South Fallsburg, Ny) on 05/05/2016

What type of borax. I know they have borax in the laundry section. Would that work? Its like powder soap?

EC: Yes. It is the borax in the laundry section. 20 Mule Team is a commonly used brand.


Borax and Peroxide Treatment
Posted by Kristine (Philippines) on 01/13/2017

Can I blow dry my cat? I'm very sure he will lick it until he's dry..



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