Vaginal Atrophy Remedies

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Posted by Izzie (San Diego, California) on 03/02/2013

I have tried to find topics on tightening the vagina but I have never found any. If kegel's exercises are not working what else may I use. I gave birth to four kids the natural way. Please may you cover that topic because I do live on natural remedies and any other suggestions you may give me.

Replied by Gavin
(Manganui, Northland, New Zealand)

One of the old time remedies was to soak the area in alum, it tightened everything up.

Replied by Glenda
(Chicago, Il)

Please be very careful with the alum. It can really tighten a bit too much.

Replied by Annie
(Davis, Oklahoma)

I have heard my grandmother talk about using alum after having her children. As the one lady said, you might be cautious as to how much you use, until you see what will work for you as an individual.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

TIGHT is a product that is basically an astringent similar to witch hazel.

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Posted by Tumbleweed2 (Houston, Texas) on 05/28/2012

Hi, I'm new to Earthclinic and I was totally dumfounded to read that some docs prescribe estrogens stronger than Estriol for vaginal atrophy. Estriol is the weakest of the 3 types of body estrogens and according to my OB GYN, the safest... Especially if you've had cancer. He also said that an estrogen stronger than estriol is overkill for vaginal atrophy. Know your body and take time to do your research!
Total Hysterectomy in 2001... uterine cancer.
Fact: I'm allergic to aloe vera and discovered that some of the compounds I tried contained aloe vera. So, I am going through the "process of elimination" to discover what is causing the irritation. Also, I do not want a "delivery" cream that contains paraffin, or alcohol. A delivery system can be 2 or 3 creams or a gel that is mixed with the estriol power (USP) to deliver via plunger.
Current trials:
I begain researching the contents of these creams and below is my findings w/ comments.

The 1st cream I tried.
USP Estriol and Vanicream (messy). Vanicream is an OTC cream.
After prices skyrocketed with my old pharmacy under new management, I switched pharmacies. So far, they are working with me, as noted below:
First compound from new pharmacy:
USP Estriol
cream from MEDISCA and
a vanishing cream (?)

The cream did not absorb well and it caused a mild burning sensation... Vaginal walls got dry and thin... Sensation was like the beginning of a urinary tract infection


Changed ingredients:

USP Estriol
cream from MEDISCA (ingredients: Deionized water, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Laureth-7, Potassium Sorbate, Phenoxyethanol, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Polyacrylamide, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Tocophyeryl Acetate), and
Vanicream (continues to be messy)
Cream, still, was not being absorbed well - and burning continued. So, I asked the new pharmacy for the list of MEDISCA ingredients... Also, went to doc to rule out U. Tract infection.

Eliminated MEDISCA and Vanicream. MEDISCA contains aloe vera, and paraffins.

Currently, I'm trying
USP estriol and
Versabase gel (Ingredients: purified water, ammonium acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP copolymer, aloe vera, edetate disodium, allantoin, methylchloroisithiazolinone/methylisothiazolinone (preservatives)

I'm still in the trial stages of the gel. It's too early to draw a conclusion that the atrophy has been eliminated. I'm not aware of any burning sensation.
FYI: Another pharmacist I spoke with said that after hearing my HRT history, a suppository would work better.

I'll continued on with my research.
Good luck to you.

Hydration Cubes

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Posted by Jrenee (Ohio, US) on 06/20/2014

Found new estriol product by bezwecken that isn't too expensive and really helps my vaginal atrophy. They're called "bezwecken hydration cubes". Directions say to rub cubes on skin but I insert them vaginally and have had great relief!! I also had good results with the former product e3 but this is no longer available. Good luck to all dealing with this issue!!!

Replied by Kat78613
(Austin, Texas)

Ugh, what a journey this has been! Diagnosed with atrophic vaginitis after visiting the doctor for what I thought was a UTI. (UTI dip and culture were negative.) My symptoms were burning and very frequent urination with the feeling of having to void constantly. (That is an old and recurring symptom.) I am 61 and 10 years post-menopausal. She recommended topical estrogen cream, but I didn't want to use Premarin and its ilk. Found the Bezwecken Hydration Cubes from this website. Inserted about 1/2 cube vaginally for about a week but ended up with terrible itching. Thought I had a yeast infection, so self-treated for that with no success. Still itching!

Question: Is it possible I just used too much/too frequent estriol? I'm very hormone sensitive. The annoying thing was that for the first few days of using the cubes, I felt GREAT! I could tell they were working. Most of my dryness/irritation/urinary symptoms were gone. Does anyone have experience with this? How often do you use the cubes? (My "cubes" fall apart into little pellets, but the company says this is "normal.") I sure would like to solve this very old problem, and all input is welcome! Thanks.

Replied by Asmith
(Fort Worth, Tx)

Kat, I would contact the company and see what they say about what you are experiencing. Good luck!

Replied by Shirley
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I started these and like them. Have been helping.

Jojoba Oil

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Posted by Greatful (Anaheim, Ca) on 03/09/2012
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Jojoba Oil for Vaginal Atrophy:

I read all emails about JoJoba and tried it and it works! I couldn't believe it. I am post menopausal 54 yrs old and I get dryness and had a history of cervical polyps. I notice when I use the oil I don't have symptoms of unusual discharge. I may have a small polyp developing although the oil is keeping symptoms under control. Try it I know you will like it. It's natural what better than that?

Replied by Kate
(Glendale, Az)

Just introduced to the wonderful world of VA. Ugh! I saw your post & was wondering if there was a food grade or brand to this oil one should use, and also what you use or suggest as an applicator? Thank you.

Replied by Jas
(San Diego)

How do you insert the jojoba oil? Have been using coconut oil & vitamin E suppositories every 2-3 days at night, amazingly effective in only a couple of weeks! More plump tissue, even mons, libido seems to be returning, more urine control. Can't believe no MD or naturopath suggested anything besides kegels, hormone or bioidentical hormone cream in all these years of incontenence, low libido, & too painful for sexual activity.

Replied by Mysearchcontinues
(Washington Dc)

Thank you for sharing. I've been looking for alternatives to drugs. Any brand in particular?

Replied by Londy
(Portland Or)

Try brand Desert Essence

Jojoba Oil
Posted by Kah (Aurora, Ontario, Canada) on 09/08/2009
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I am at the end of menopause and suffer from Vaginal Atrophy. My Dr. suggested a hormone creme but I was wary of the effects. I looked around at some other sites and spoke with the owner of my local Health Food Store who suggested JoJoba Oil. She had been to a Naturopathic Gyno who told her to use the oil as it was the closest to the oil we produce ourselves. I insert a few cc's every two or three days before bed and things seem to be back to normal. I was also told to use a vibrator to work the oil in and move the muscles around a bit.

Replied by Fran
(Philadelphia, Pa, Usa)

Do you use a syringe to insert the CC of Jojoba Oil? Where do you find one?

EC: Try the baby section of a pharmacy!

Replied by Denise
(Evan, Il, Usa)

How long did it take to cure your vaginal atrophy. When I say cure I mean how long was it until you were able to have intercourse without the horrible burning feeling? Thank You

Replied by Kay
(Toledo, Oh)

I've had vaginal atrophy, terrible chafing/dermatitis, been to 2 gynos, dermatologists, U of Michigan, no one could help. I found Jojoba Oil on-line, after a couple of weeks I am seeing improvement. I am so relieved!

Replied by Heather
(San Jose, California)

Jojoba oil? Does it really work? I have had breast cancer and was prescribed premarin cream and then an est ring for vaginal atrophy.... I am too scared to use either.... So, I am going to resort to listening to all of you out there who have tried alternate sources... Evening of primrose oil? Let me hear some more personal testimonies, please!

Replied by Sarnrse
(Houston, Tx)

Look into the "The Orgasmic Diet" by Marrenna Lindberg. There is a synopsis of it at this link, but it is better to get the whole book:


Posted by Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 03/18/2013

Hi, I have been pondering the use of aluminum for tightening the vaginal region ( I wouldn't use it myself). Aluminum has been used in talc powder for years and cheaper baking powders... Anyway........ they are not sure if it contributes to alzheimer's.

I began WONDERING if anyone has every used a topical of milk of magnesia or another form of magnesium.... to get the vaginal/core muscles firmed up ? Or maybe a magnesium douche... Would there be bad consequences from using it this way?

They call magnesium the heart mineral because it treats muscle conditions. Most people eat more calcium than magnesium and further throw their body out of balance.

It used to be we got more magnesium from the soil into our food, not anymore, and when a person gets stressed the body takes water and minerals to produce fight or flight hormones....thus draining the body/system further.....


Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

I was doing some reading in this site last night and found a site that stated that magnesium citrate goes right to the muscle unlike other magnesiums. I have found this to be true for me. My muscles all look amazing and I don't work out , and using very little hormone since my whole body has gotten turned around with the multi minerals and vitamins and use of hormone creams up to this point

( I used progesterone for 6 months and then added phytoestrogen and then added estradiol and then stopped them for a solid month while added full spectrum minerals and then used 1/8 tsp of progesterone cream for two weeks and none in the past three weeks............. And NOW

I add to this post that for three days with the use of witch hazel put into the vaginal cavity with my finger.... This morning is day three and my bladder is UP

(I put it on my finger and insert into cavity and rub around and then repeat 3-5 times in a row) ONLY if the bladder has dropped down .

The mag has also made the outer part of the vagina come back to life and the tissue in the muscle is full and well hydrated.

Replied by Bo
(California Usa)

I use Tucks hemorrhoid wipes (circular) and add Witchhazel to the jar for extra moisture, a few drops of Tea Tree oil (antibiotic), and AloeVera gel in the container. Keep it in bathroom, and even carry few in ziploc for purse. Soothing, and reduces pain and irritation in both V and anal areas.

I also use 1/2 dilution of Organic vinegar and water on Cottonelle wipes to help with PH when there are flare ups.


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Posted by Mountain Lady (Rocky Mountains, Colorado) on 10/07/2012

I sure appreciate all the information that everyone here has posted. Lots of research has been done! And James, you're a sweetheart for researching this issue for your wife--not many husbands are so caring.

I've had most of the same problems. I'm at the end of menopause, I think... Was on replacement hormone therapy, which worked great for hot flashes and night sweats; but then I got a blood clot in my leg, and had to stop the hormones. I've tried Estrace, but it's very expensive, and it doesn't seem to work, and it's messy, and the applicator ("plunger") is really hard to clean.

As a consequence, my poor husband and I haven't had good sex for many, many months. But now that I found this website and read all the good info, I'm encouraged.

I'm going to try the E3s first, and I'll report back.

Replied by Pam
(Dundee, Oregon)

I am 68, same problems with dryness, burning, pain during intercourse. I have been prescribed Bezwecken (sp?) E3 suppositories by two different Naturopaths. One supp. per wk after initial week. Nice to know from James that I can find them online, since I just moved and have lost my doctor.

I am interested in the info about Jojoba oil, but my question about that is does it help with just vaginal dryness or all over dryness? The E3's help with both, mostly vaginal dryness and hotflashes. Also with sleep issues.

Also very helpful is using coconut oil (solid form) for lubrication during sex.

Replied by Keala
(Kilauea, Hi)

I am having trouble finding the Bezwecken E3 vaginal suppositories on line. All my former resources are no longer selling them. Does anyone know why or where I can get them again.

Replied by Dee
(Central, Oregon)

Apparently the E3 by Bezwecken has been discontinued. Very unhappy to hear this...

Replied by James
(CO, US)

Bezwecken did discontinue their E3 suppositories, but they've since come out with a replacement called "hydration cubes." My wife has been using them with success.

Replied by Mary
(Arcadia, California)
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I have found bezwecken suppositories at she is a natural doctor and sells bezwecken suppositories. I just bought some from her. Hopes this helps you. blessings Mary

Posted by Janis (Renton, US.) on 11/11/2008

For all that are suffering from vaginal atrophy. Keep in mind that there is a drug in clinical trials right now called Ospemifene. Ospemifene is one of a class of drugs called selective estrogen receptor modulators. In tests ospemifene appears to have an estrogen like effect on the vagina and it is supposed to be absolutely safe to be used for vaginal atrophy. I am just wondering if anyone else has heard of this. I am waiting for this to become available to try. Also wondering if anyone has figured out what can be used in the meantime until I will be able to try the ospemifene.

Replied by Serenity
(Oswego, IL)

Has anyone tried this medication yet. I have vaginal atrophy and need help with what to do.

Replied by Teri
(Dallas, TX)

Evening Primrose capsules help amazingly well with vaginal atrophy. through trial and error, trying over the counter,perscription drugs, and other natural methods, I finally came around to trying Evening primrose capsules and it was the perfect solution for me. Most of the medical and holistic formulas I tried caused an allergic reaction in my vagina. But a simple Evening primrose capsule once at night brought the tissue back to normal. I suggest inserting it at night so it can absorb while you are sleeping. Otherwise you will need to use a thin pad for protection as your body heat melts the capsule. Good luck.

Replied by Louise
(Detroit, Us)

Has anyone used vitamins e capsule for vaginal atroph?

Replied by Chica
(Detroit, Mi)

Did you take the evening primrose capsule orally? It sounds like you used it as a suppository... so did it help with the atrophy of the outside vaginal tissue?

Replied by Mary
(Mukilteo, Washington)

Does anyone know the brand of a vegetarian Evening Primrose gel capsule? Thank you

Replied by Sally
(New York, Ny)

I've been reading about Ospemifene which will be marketed under the name Ophena. Can anyone tell me if it is produced without cruelty to animals? I was horrified when I found out how estrogen is produced from pregnant horses urine and the suffering that many tens of thousands of mares go through, not to mention the foals that are slaughtered.

Replied by Janis
(Renton, Washington)

Vaginal Atrophy-A new drug application with the FDA is planned to be filed for Ospemifene in 2010 and if approved, Shionogi & Co,headquartered in Osaka, Japan will have worldwide marketing rights.

Replied by Patrice
(Dublin, Ireland)

hi, patrice here , I too suffer with athropy and I have just been reading about Ophena, it sounds like the answer to my problem, can anyone say where I can buy it as it might take ages to be on the shelf in ireland..patrice

Replied by Janis
(Renton, Washington)

I am waiting for Ophena also. I wish someone could find out if it has been approved yet. The last I heard was that a new drug application for Ophena was to be applied for in early 2010 with the FDA.

Replied by Leigh
(Brownstone, Usa)

I have just returned from my GYN and she prescribed an estrogen cream called "Estrace", to be inserted vaginally once a week. Said it would help atrophied tissues regain elasticity. Sounded like a good solution until I checked for side effects. NOT good, especially with other health issues going on. Geesh!

I'll prefer to try other natural remedy suggestions posted here first, and suffer through if necessary as opposed to causing myself a stroke, breast cancer, cysts, pancreatitis, and a myriad of other serious maladies. Makes me wonder how many older women, already compromised with aging effects, are actually making their conditions worse, or killing themselves. We all should be very wary and not blindly follow medical advice using prescriptions such as these.

Replied by Helen
(Newcastle, Australia)

I'm devastated at my post menopausal life due to the atrophy. Sex is unbearably painful and I feel like less of a woman. My GP prescribed vagifem which hasn't really worked and I'm wary of its side effects in any event. Really happy to have found this site so I don't feel so alone and will give some of your suggestions a try. Thanks

Replied by Sue
(Dubuque, Iowa)

Helen, ditto all of your remarks. So happy to have found all of you. Still looking for answers to questions that have been posted above.

Replied by Pearl
(Renton, Washington)

Just read that an NDA, new drug application will be filed in the first half of 2012 for ospemifene, also refered to as Ophena for vaginal atrophy and if all goes smoothly then this drug is expected to be launched in the US the first half of 2013.

Replied by Jeanne
(Kansas City, Kansas)

I was reading all of your comments about vaginal atrophy, dryness, etc. And how this is wreaking havoc with intimacy in our "later years. " I was a subject in the phase III part 2 clinical trials for Ophena back in 2008. It worked!!!! The only problems I had during the trial was cramping in my hands and legs. I too have tried all of the estrogen creams, pills, suppositories and nothing worked. I have been following the progression of Ophena's approval and am afraid I will be too old before it ever gets approved.

Replied by Kelly
(Tarpon Springs, Fl)

Hello everyone. I was recently diagnosed with Vaginal Atrophy. I am 23 years old and have been suffering with it since I was 16. I could have possibly had it before but that's when it all started because I became sexually active. Sex has never felt good for me but instead has been extremely painful. I have spent a lot of time crying during intercourse. I gave birth about 7 months ago and the atrophy has only become worse. I can no longer wear tampons. I have been seeing my doctor for a few months now but I still don't see much improvement. I am on Ovcon50 birth control. I am also using Vagifem, Estrace, Clobetasol, Desitin clear, Claritin, Witch Hazel, etc. I wish I knew how long until I see positive results. It's affected my life in so many ways and it's very hard to deal with at times. Before I found my current doctor I seen a few others and they told me it was all in my head. At that time I believed it because after all they were doctors and I thought they knew what they were talking about. Although Vaginal Atrophy is more common in older women going through menopause, it does happen to younger women like myself. For all of you suffering, you are not alone!

Replied by Lisa
(Jax, Fl)

Hey Kelly, Have you ever done the spit test to see if your hormones need correcting? I have vaginal atrophy also, but I'm 54 and even with natural hormone creams (biodenticals) I still suffer. But at one point, it all disappeared with the creams. I can't figure it out. Not sure what body change occured, but I do have candida problems also. But you are younger and would probably have a better response! I love Tarpon Springs, btw!

Replied by James
(Denver, Co, Usa)

So glad I found this thread. My wife's 63, and is experiencing vaginal atrophy to the point that she tells me she experiences irritation or pain everytime we're intimate. Well, just like I was the one to do the progesterone cream research several years ago, now I find myself the researcher yet again.

So I found this study that said 250 or so women used DHEA suppositories intravaginally for 12 weeks and reported that vaginal atrophy symptoms were relieved. They used varying strengths, to see if that mattered. As it turned out, the 3.25 mg DHEA ovule or suppository seemed to have pretty good results. I found a pharmacist that reported some of their customers had success with 3.25mg DHEA vaginal suppositories (or ovules), inserting 1 suppository nightly for 12 weeks, then 2-3 times per week thereafter. Has anyone tried this?

Another study I came across, the participants utilized a vaginal suppository containing hyaluronic acid sodium salt 5 mg, vitamin E acetate 1 mg, and vitamin A palmitate 1 mg. Dosing was a suppository intravaginally every night for 14 nights, then tapering to every other night for 14 nights. Of 150 women, 126 women completed the study in full. The study assessed efficacy of the study medication in the areas of burning, itching, inflammation and irritation. Results showed that any symptom that was reported as severe initially was resolved to either mild or absent at the end of four weeks. Anyone ever heard of this?

My wife's in a very demanding job, and doesn't have time to research this, so I'll be checking back to hear from you as to what works for you, while I continue to research further and report anything new I find.

Replied by James
(Denver, Co, Usa)

Update - I learned, from doing more research, that 1mg Vaginal E3 Suppositories were more commonly used than the DHEA ones (that is, they have a longer track record; the DHEA suppositories, though, are up-and-coming it seems. ) So I ordered some E3's on-line, after searching for E3 suppositories, or 1mg E3 Vaginal Suppositories. One Naturopathic Doctor who was kind enough to reply, suggested starting out with 1 a week. So, this is our first week. I'll report back later.

Replied by Chenoa
(Miranda, Ca)

Does anyone know if the therapeutic use of dilators (with lubrication) will eventually bring the vaginal tissue back to health (without the use of estrogen creams)?

I've read that severe vaginal atrophy is less likely to occur in menopausal women who engage in regular intercourse, as it stimulates blood flow to the delicate tissue and keeps the area more elastic. Perhaps dilators could do the same for women who, for whatever reason, may have stopped having intercourse at menopause and are now suffering from vaginal atrophy. Dilators, anyone?

Replied by James
(Denver, Co, USA)
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Me again, with an update. We've gone from theory to experience. My wife has been using the 1 mg E3 vaginal suppositories by Bezwecken (available over the web - just search for them). She used them nightly for 2 weeks, and then tapered off to 2 times a week (last week). Happy to report that the discomfort she felt is almost totally gone. Several months ago it was actually painful for her sometimes to have sex. But last night, she reported that there's only minor tenderness. That's awesome progress. After buying these suppositories over the web, and starting to use them, she decided to meet with a Naturopath to be safe. It was fun to have her prescribe the same thing she was already using. Ideally (or supposedly) we can taper off to 1 a week. Just had to post an update, because it sure helped things.

Replied by Barbara
(Elma, Ny)

I finally found some relief from vaginal dryness with Bezwecken E1 suppositories and now I cannot find them. When I ordered them the company I ordered from was only able to send me 2 boxes as that is all they had left, so I found another supplier, ordered 6 boxes but they could only send one as that was all they had left. Everyone is saying it is no longer available and I'm ready to cry because I was finally able to have somewhat comfortable relations with my husband and all I have left is 2 boxes. Does anyone know where I can purchase more of this item?

Replied by Kymom
(Louisville, Ky)

I too am wondering why the Bezwecken vaginal suppositories are no longer available. I had found relief and will not know what to do if I can no longer get another box when I run out. Why is this product suddenly unavailable?

Replied by Elfgoo
(Buffalo, NY)

Check out Dr Greenbean website which explains reason you can't find E3. look under heading New Evidence Supporting Safety of Bioidentical hormones. It's FDA that pulled the plug because they're more interested in giving Big Pharms more money than helping people.

Replied by Downs
(Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)

I have been following the story on the DHEA but have not hear any more on it. I am a nurse of 23 years with vaginal atrophy after a hysterectomy 20 years. As a nurse I can tell you how afraid of hormones I am. But I had to have something due to prolapsed of vaginal vault and bladder or have surgery. I have tried the E3 and thought my heart was going to stop. My chest hurt for days. My breast hurt so bad I could not touch them. Vaginal vault hurt and burned with positive for blood when void. I would like to know if there is any more news with the DHEA. I have got to try something or have the surgery. I have read all on the internet and research papers.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2084 posts

Downs: if you haven't found any info on the use of DHEA for your specific condition, then simply give it a personal trial. Also search your condition as it relates to the mother hormone Pregnenalone and sister Progesterone. Since these are bioidenticle hormones in the human body in synthetic or supplement forms, there are virtually no negative side effects. So the question becomes not "should I supplement DHEA" but "how much". There are a growing number of health professionals and clinics using these Bio-identical hormones in the treatment of many common age-related illnesses. Search Bio-identical Hormone Therapy as opposed to Hormone Replacement Therapy (which has negative side effects). I use a Pregnenalone or DHEA supplement daily as I have a degenerative condition. Since these hormones are "parent" they don't create an imbalance or, testosterone or estrogen dominance; you simply get an increase of both (which is the purpose). I take either 25mg Pregnenalone or 50mg DHEA daily w/ noticeable good results (increase stamina). It's advised to begin w/ small doses and gradually increase to desired results. There are also a number of herbs that are helpful in promoting hormone synthesis in the body.

Also, you may also consider an B-12 / Folic Acid deficiency as that can have negative consequences in the Cervical / Vaginal area.

Replied by Kathy
(the USA)

I have just discovered that my prolapse was due to ingesting gelatin capsules. I am sixty-four. Both of my babies (born '84 and '86) were breech and only one was caesarean. I, too, had a hysterectomy in 1992 and never had a problem with prolapse until I started taking the stool softeners. I learned years ago that I cannot ingest the gelatin capsules so I had always opened them and took the contents. You cannot do this with stool softeners. They taste nasty!

I started using them in Dec of last year and I started to experience POP (pelvic organ prolapse) a few months later. Once I figured out it was due to the capsules and stop taking as many my prolapse began to subside. I would not like to post anymore detail here so you may email me. I don't know whether Earth Clinic has a method to provide email but I would be okay with that. Since they advise not to post email addresses I don't know how people connect. I do not use the social networks.

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)

Timh, you mention herbs that are good for hormone balance. What are they?

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2084 posts

Dong Quai / Angelica, and Siberian Ginsing / Eleuthero Root.

Replied by Downs
(Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)

Timh, have you had any negitive side effect from the DHEA? What I have read make me concern. Some say great hair loss, palpations and anxiety, on and on of course, the benefits are equal. My prolapsed is do lack of hormone to strength the vaginal vault, and no cervix, due to vaginal histerectomy. I an sixty years and I am tired of having surgeries. Not one surgery seams to help just makes another problem. There is a co. (not china )that makes a 5 mg sublingual. My state doesn't compound the DHEA or will not without script. I think I am going to try this. I will break them in fourth. Any advice.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2084 posts

Downs: Most health food stores or pharmacies carry otc DHEA, so yes, start w/ low mg and work your way up. I would recommend also using the herbs I suggested. Rotate from one to the other on a weekly basis while also taking the DHEA.

Also consider Growth Hormone boosting as it could compliment the other recommends and you would increase your chances of a real and lasting benefits. The Amino Acid GABA boost Growth Hormone production as much as 40% (take one grm before retiring). I take the GABA in conjunction w/ YouTube Growth Hormone Release or Pituitary release harmonics. Athletic trainers have discovered that quick burst exercise (also found on YouTube) has dramatic Growth Hormone release. Speaking of hormones, make sure your Thyroid is good. Supplement Iodine.

Replied by Downs
(Oklahoma, Oklahoma City)

Anyone like to give a update on E3 and the DHEA for atrophy?

Replied by Downs From Oklahoma
(Oklahoma City, Ok)

For those who would like to try DHEA there is a lab called Douglas lab that does not use China Vitamin and is a very reliable co. whom make DHEA 5 mg that you can use. It is a sublingual that I divide into fourth. You can't get DHEA compound here without script.

Replied by Babs
(Palmyra, Va)

I am 47 and had am postmenopausal. I suffer from severe vaginal atrophy and pain with intercouse. I have been to the doctor and prescribed estrace... Did not help. I have also dried Emerita Progesterone cream helped for a while, but then subsided and I noticed fast weight gain. I have been reading all the studies on intravaginal dhea. Many reputable sites are saying this is safe. Has anyone tried using dhea tablets intravaginally?

Replied by Hashiaussie
(Melbourne, Australia)

Hi Babs, After reading about DHEA on this site last year ( I researched and took the pub med link below to my Dr. This is my second remedy, the first being estrogen cream. I had previously suffered months of atrophy (and unbeknownst developed a cystocele). I am now on pessaries into about month 2 and I can say they are definitely working to get everything in working order. I have more to do on the cystocele (weight, special exercises) but getting there I hope. No increase in libido from the DHEA though. Also on thyroid medicines.

I also read Dr Mercola's recommendation of pessaries against oral doses of hormone. Pessaries, however, are expensive, (about 1 dollar each here)and 1 is used every night. They each contain 5mg of Dhea and were made for me by a compounding chemist. The dose may need adjusting and back to Dr for further review in a month or so. I am 54 with hashimotos disease and my abtibodies are a bit high and T3 is low at the moment so not a perfect scenario for libido. (See Dr Sandra Cabot's advice as well on libido). I had been on the typically prescibed internal estrogen cream before this and it was also working (plus a libido) but like you, and with a background in estrogen dominance and a bit of left breast pain reappearing, the risks looked too high to me. I have a great Dr and she is doing some more research on this to see if she can help her other patients. Hope this helps. Thanks to EC for this site.

Replied by Babs
(Palmyra, Va)

Thank you so much for your reply. I read the links and I am going to try breaking a sub lingual 5mg tablet of DHEA in half and insert it vaginally. From the research I read, this mode of delivery (vaginal) will not increase the blood serum levels of hormones systemically. I hope it works and I hope things improve for you as well.

Replied by Bonnie
(Victoria, Bc)

So pleased to have found this site. I reluctantly tried Vagifem for a few days but didn't like the side effects (bloating, cramps and spotting). I'm currently using something called "Belly and Vaginal Balm" produced by Indian Herbal Meadows in Maine. I'm pleased with the results but am going to try the DHEA also.

Replied by Babs
(Palmyra, Va)

I wanted to update my earlier post about using dhea vaginally. I have been inserting 1/4 of a 5mg dhea tablet (sublingual and purchased off of Amazon) vaginally for 4 weeks now. The results are fairly dramatic. The dryness and pain with intercourse is GONE!! I have also notice an increase in my libido. I have had no other side effects and would recommend this to anyone who is suffering with vaginal atrophy and dryness

Replied by Downs
(Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)
0 out of 5 stars

How often do you use this? I am having a little anxiety from it if I use it everyday. And a little meanness. I think I will try every other day and suggestions

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

I have been reading a lot of hormone books the past two years and my bladder is fallen, pressing on my nerves. I applied E...... brand progesterone cream for 6 months and slowly increased the dose, then added vit D , when my blood test revealed it was VERY LOW, (D is a hormone ), then added magnesium citrate and that helped the muscle tone as well.

Then added the same brand of phytoestrogen and later added estradiol to the mix, since the body has three estrogens in it.

Now as far as you feeling aggressive or mean, the body will produce hormones if given the right environment/products to produce them in/with,

BUT NOT PROGESTERONE and that is the hormone that is calming. Maybe you could add it and find the right balance.

I am hoping to try adding DHEA next , thanks for your inputs... hope this helps you ....

Replied by Carol
(San Mateo, Ca)

Joy, are you saying you use vitamin d, magnesium, progesterone, etc. on your vagina?

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

NO, I use the vitamin D , magnesium citrate , and other vitamins and lots of coconut oil orally. I used progesterone for 6mo with no other vits or mins or creams and got new p - hair that was not grey, then added some phytoestrogen , a little dab on the outer vagina and then recently added a small dab estradiol right above the hairline to pull up the bladder.

I am prone to yeast infections , so no creams work inside with hormones on them. I have added products--- one a month, after 6 months of progesterone alone, and each has improved my muscle tone over my whole body. I wouldn't stop using any of them unless the problem was completely resolved.

Magnesium citrate from S..... Giving me dramatic changes toward youthfullness and intestinal health. Constipation wreaks havok on pelvic floor muscles.

I am still reading up and adding some new things. There is a pessary that inflates to fill the cavity to help a person get some exercise called INFLATOBALL.... ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT ? Also has anyone done the allum soaking with good results?

Replied by Gavin
(Manganui, Northland, New Zealand)

If you google "alum and vagina", there is a utube video that gives all the details. I bet the alum would give a nice cheap face lift as well.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

I went to the utube site, it answered some questions. thanks for the input......

Replied by Carol
(San Mateo, Ca)

Joy, where do you apply the progesterone? I rubbed it on my wrists for 8 months but got spooked with a saliva test showed me way too full of progesterone. I wondered if it softened my ligaments, resulting in a tiny sinking of the organs.

Replied by Carol
(San Mateo, Ca)

Does anyone else experience major pain when you use any of the hormones inside the vagina? I've stopped the DHEA pill because I felt I could feel it in my head. Testosterone---even a tiny amount---feels like heat. Estriol and Bi-Est stung. Yet perhaps this is what's needed to regenerate.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground , Washington)

Hi, I have found that the progesterone creams are all different, I use the one made by E...... on my fat. Other brands made me moody.

I use 1 tsp. 3wks. a month - Plus 1/8 tsp. of the phytoestrogen .... (plus a small dab of the estradiol> I get a stiff neck with a bad headache if I use too much ).

At first everything on me tightened up and then it seemed less effective, but still an improvement. Then I started adding more things. I am cautious and add stuff slowly and journal results. Half the books at the library seem to recommend natural hormones and the other half are the advice you get from the ob/gyn.

I read the book by John Lee, he was an ob/gyn whos patients were symptomatic and he looked for answers. My hormones tested normal for a menopausal woman. I add the hormones based on the symptoms listed in the books I read. There are a lot of good books at the library about hormone imbalances with LISTS of symptoms based on each hormone deficiency or excess.

I like it when two books can agree on stuff. I go read book reviews on it... get other peoples opinions. I read reviews on the hormone creams and other products before I try them.

The magnesium citrate by S..... , is amazing for muscle and tone. I use a multi enzyme, all the B's. folic acid, selenium, mulit mineral, D-3, C, Betafood, Lecithin, coconut oil, yogurt, iodized sea salt, and I just learned today that I need to take amino acids in the form of protein powders (from rice, peas and soy) so my body can make collagen, so my skin can flex.

The alum is from aluminum and that would not be good for me.

I got a core ball a couple months ago . I get a good range of motion without hurting myself by overextending. I do motions like hoola hoop, sitting down and bounce and roll back and forth stretching muscles, firming up my core. I also walk an hour a day.

I can only say ..... read, read, read, and then try stuff.... like....measure twice before you cut.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

If it is causing discomfort it is probably doing more harm than good. I had to treat yeast overgrowth everytime I tried a dab of prem.... Two days in a row, and finally gave up. Used three prescriptions for yeast treatment in 6 months.

I felt so frustrated I didn't try hormones again for a year, when I tried something else.

Does using an oral dose of dhea help tighten your muscles. My sister uses it and says it helps her a lot. I haven't gotten up enough courage to try it yet. I add new products SLOWLY in low doses... And try one day, skip the next, then try again, skip the next. Some things work best one day a week.

Replied by Voyager6331
(Dunedin, Fl)

I emailed Bezwecken... They discontinued the estriol suppositories for "business reasons".... Not happy!

Replied by Kim
(Toronto, Ontario)

Thanks to all for sharing what you have discovered about vaginal atrophy etc. I work in the area of women's health and also have a great female ob/gyne. Someone asked about dilators - from all I have discovered, and from my doc's advice, "if you don't us it you lose it". When sex hurts us of course we avoid it, including self-pleasuring. And the lack of blood flow and tissue stimulation only makes everything worse. My friends and I have discovered that a whole range of things need to be used to help. We are usually low on Vit D, and as mentioned magnesium (oral)is very helpful to many (500mg). Using an oil vaginally (E, Jojoba... ) helps, and I need vagifem (only the 10mg) at times as well. And then to avoid or to fix labia fusion (where tissues fuse together) vaginal sex, on your own or with a partner, is critical. Use of a vibrator/dildo is good because it can stretch things open again. Can hurt so do it on your own, have a glass of wine first and a salts bath after! Then I have to get myself to keep up my routine... Just like flossing!

Replied by James
5 out of 5 stars

Bezwecken did discontinue their E3 suppositories, but they replaced them eventually with their "Hydration Cubes." They're made to be applied topically, however, my wife has been using them just like suppositories, and they work great.

Replied by Linda
(Bainbridge Island, Wa)
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

I've been using the Hydration Cubes for vaginal atrophy. I was inserting them twice a week. I had been having pain and stinging with intercourse and for quite some time had stopped wanting sex at all due to fear of pain. The stinging came when I urinated after intercourse. So, I was turned on to the Cubes. Since taking them, sexual intercourse has been painless, my pubic hair seems to be thicker and I feel younger in general, but the side effect I am suspicious of being caused by the Cubes is that I have been emotional like I was when I was menstruating. I haven't had my period in 8 years, and have only started using the Cubes for the past 6 months.

I've noticed a huge shift in my nervous energy, racing heart, and emotions. I cry more easily, get frustrated and angry more easily, over nothing! I wonder if it is the hormones. And if so, I'm now doing an experiment and cutting the Cubes in 1/2 , which is difficult as they crumble - not a big problem, I can mold the crumbs together and still insert them...I'll see if I have the same reaction or if I feel more balanced. I'm interested in trying the jojoba oil though. I'm sure we women don't talk enough about this reality of our bodies... and I have to wonder if like letting my hair go grey, it is not just another important aspect of aging to allow the body to simply age and not feel I have to be sexually active as I was when I was young. I've had great sex and connection with my lovers and husband in my life - maybe I don't need to push this and should just let my body be what it is. Older! 65. I'm still quite youthful, healthy and vital and I have a younger husband -- which is one reason I want to continue to have intercourse, both thinking it's good for me and good for him. He's completely loving and wouldn't want me to do anything I don't want to do. Still, I do feel a little confused about my choice. Anyway, that's my story!

Replied by James

Linda, I'm not a doctor or anything, but from the reading I've done, it sounds like you're on the right track by interpreting your body's reaction as saying the dose is too high. The symptoms you mention all sound like what happens when one is getting more estrogen than needed.

When my wife first started using these, her Naturopath recommended she use one a night for 2 weeks, then slowly taper off until she was using only 1 a week. The reason, she said, was to get the tissues plumped up...requires a heavy dose, or a high concentration initially. Then, once the tissues are soft and supple, she said my wife could taper off to 1 a week.

Just before we learned of the Hydration Cubes, however, we stocked up on some "natural vitamin E suppositories." We got them on the web, no prescription required.

So once we met with the Naturopath, and she prescribed the Hydration Cubes, I was feel like, "wow, now what do we do with all these natural vitamin E suppositories?"

And she said it was just fine for my wife to continue to use 1 or so a week of the natural vitamin E suppositories. So that's what she's done. It's almost like there's 2 issues at hand. One is the state of the tissue (i.e., originally it had kind of shriveled up like a prune, and was dry and the opposite of soft and supple.) But also, there was the issue of lack of arousal lubrication.

Well, once those tissues came alive again, so to speak, and became soft and supple, she continued to use 1 vitamin E suppository a week as well as 1 hydration cube a week. Also, she would use one vitamin E suppository just before we had sex. It helped ensure proper lubrication.

Just thought I'd mention the concept of using them in conjunction with each other - the hydration cubes to get the tissues in the desired state (of being soft and pliable and supple) - and the Vitamin E suppositories to help ensure proper lubrication.

Not sure if this helps or not, but maybe that can help allow you to reduce the frequency that you use the hydration cubes, and thus lessen your body's reaction. Just an idea. It might be a good idea, if it's possible, to try and see a Naturopath.

Lastly, I noticed from doing searches, that there seems to be 2 different hydration cubes. One says it's 1 x 12, and the other says it's 2 x 12. May I ask, which one are you using? My wife is using the 1 x 12. (In case the 2 refers to the strength, thought I'd mention it.) To be super clear, when I search for hydration cubes, I see "Bezwecken, Hydration Cubes 1 x 12 Cubes, " and I also see "Hydration Cubes 2X 12 Cubes"

Wishing you all the best.

Replied by Lee

Has anyone tried using the Bezwecken Hydration 1x estriol cubes in conjunction with vaginal insertion of their DHEA cubes?

I'm thinking of trying this as my vaginal atrophy is severe.....unable to have sex at all due to excruciating pain.

I had a major stroke at age 23 (cause undiagnosed but I was on birth control pills at the time) so I can't risk using a prescription estrogen based product. I'm just not sure if it's safe to take the estriol cubes as well as a quarter or half of a DHEA cube in tandem.

I'm deperate...any thoughts?

Replied by James

My wife uses the Bezwecken Hydration 1x estriol cubes as if they're suppositories. Have you tried that? You probably know this, but DHEA is a precursor to estriol, and progesterone, etc. So, you give your body DHEA and it converts it into whatever it thinks it needs. Not sure why you feel you need both. It may be too much. (I'm no doctor, but from my reading, just my 2 cents.)

Replied by Lee

Thanks James...I can tell you've done a lot of research in this area so your "two cents worth" is valuable. If DHEA converts into what your body needs (and I don't know exactly what that is) then I guess it makes sense for me to start with the DHEA cubes. I'm wondering how you determined that the estiole 1x cubes were right for your wife as opposed to the estriole 2x or DHEA cubes. Did she have tests done or has it just been trial and error?

Replied by James

You're welcome, Lee. Yeah, I certainly invested a lot of time into this.

You know, we just happened to come across the 1x cubes first. In fact, I didn't even realize there was a 2x version until much later...and the 1x cubes worked by then, so she never even tried them.

Before my wife's Naturopath notified her of the hydration cubes being released, I was searching frantically for a replacement for the old E3 suppositories. And I found some very interesting clinical studies which had been done with DHEA suppositories. I was very excited for her to try them. Unfortunately, the on-line pharmacy from whom I bought them, was either lazy, or cheap, or dumb...and they used glycol as the base or delivery method for the DHEA vaginal suppositories. Well, that's what they put into antifreeze! Needless to say, my wife's body had a reaction. She developed a mild irritation - lots of itching. So I was disappointed, and we had to throw them away. (We even tried it twice! The second time, after she had taken a break for a while. But the same results - lots of itching.)

Before I could find a version of DHEA suppositories that used a more gentle base or delivery method, she got the email from her Naturopath, saying that Bezwecken had just released the hydration cubes.

I'm no doctor...but if you go the DHEA route, please listen to your body carefully, because you won't know for sure what it converts the DHEA it Estrogen, Progesterone, etc. I mean, if like in the clinical trials, it works...then awesome! If it works, it works! (I still remember Dr. Christine Northrup saying that, "listen to your body.")

It would be wonderful for other women reading this, Lee, if you could report back here with your results.

All the best!


Replied by Lee

So I tried ordering the DHEA cubes but they're not available so I ordered the estriole 1x hydration cubes instead.

Now, after doing more research, I feel somewhat hesitant, if not terrified, to take estriol given my history of stroke which was caused by a blood clot not a hemorrhage.

All estrogens, no matter how weak, seem to come with an increased risk of clotting in some individuals so I'm thinking it might be risky or just plain stupid to take estriol even if it is only vaginally.

I'm now desperate for a non-hormonal solution given my medical history. I've tried vaginal mosturizers like Replens and lubricants like Astroglide but they do not help at all! I know several people have mentioned using vitamin E helpful have these been in terms of improving or alleviating painful/impossible intercourse?

Any other suggestions? I've spent so many hours researching/worrying about this...any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.

Replied by Mama To Many

Dear Lee,

There is a Dr. Shultze product called "Ladies Formula" that is an herbal combination to help balance hormones for ladies of all ages. At 48, I find it very helpful. I make my own as it is much less expensive that way.

One of the herbs in it is Damiana. This herb is helpful for increasing circulation to the pelvic area. Taking one or two capsules of this once or twice a day might do the trick for you.

~Mama to Many~

Replied by James

When you say you tried ordering the cubes but they're not available...can you expound on that? Because I just googled Bezwecken DHEA cubes and one of the sites that came up was and that's where I've been getting the hydration cubes from. It would have let me add to cart. Maybe you mean you're unable to buy them in Canada.

By the way, it would probably help if you could find a Naturopath. I started to try and detail the education level of a Naturopath, but was at a I googled it, and this is from

A licensed naturopathic physician (ND) attends a four-year, graduate-level naturopathic medical school and is educated in all of the same basic sciences as an MD, but also studies holistic and nontoxic approaches to therapy with a strong emphasis on disease prevention and optimizing wellness. In addition to a standard medical curriculum, the naturopathic physician also studies clinical nutrition, homeopathic medicine, botanical medicine, psychology, and counseling. A naturopathic physician takes rigorous professional board exams so that he or she may be licensed by a state or jurisdiction as a primary care general practice physician.

I'm no doctor...but here's what I think - I think that warning about blood clotting is unique to, or originates from, the fact that all estrogens that an MD prescribes are actually not bio-identical to a human. For example, Premarin comes from pregnant mares urine. Well, I'm sorry...Medical profession...but a woman's body isn't fully receptive to the hormones that are in a horse. Examined under a microscope, Premarin contains things not found normally in a woman's body. So of course some women are going to have a reaction to it.

But don't take my word for it. If you haven't already, it sounds like it would really help you to reference some of the Dr. John Lee resources. For example, back when I was researching Natural Progesterone, I bought every recording and video that's on his site, as well as several books. I listened to his recordings over and over and over, and it really helped give me an intro into a woman's hormones, and reproductive system. True, they were made a while back, but it would still help you immensely, imho.

Don't give up! Hang in there!

I understand that you're frustrated. I've been there. Well, in case you're open to finding a Naturopathic Physician, I did some googling, and found this:

It's the Canadian organization of Naturopathic Doctors. They have a search engine to look for an ND.

Good luck.

Replied by Lynne

I just ordered a 12-cube pack of Bezwecken DHEA Cubes from I am confused as some here have mentioned types of dhea being used as suppositories in a range of dosages from 3.5mg to 13 mg if I remember correctly. that is quite a difference. there are also several names being tossed about for seemingly the same thing? I received my order, but they don't have the amount of dhea in each cube listed, which I think is strange, but it's not like it is some off-brand. Consequently I will be calling the seller tomorrow to ask some questions. My question here is, it seems some are using a 3.5 mg sublingual tablet normally taken by mouth as a suppository and halving or quartering it which seems like a very tiny amount. I have severe dryness and no libido, but my hormones are not too far off. I'm 67 and been menopausal since 1996. And have not had sex in about 15 years. I know. I know. Gotta use it. Anyway, I am extremely careful about what I put in and on my body and don't have any faith whatsover in doctors. I pretty much go by how I feel and other than a constant annoying post nasal drip am very healthy.

Replied by Lee

"Mama to Many"

and James,

Thank you for your suggestions...the "Female Formula" sounds promising and it sent me off into many more hours of research!

There are several natural remedies to explore although it's hard to not just want a "quick fix" ( well relatively quick, anyway) by taking the DHEA cubes or estriol cubes that seem to have such a high success rate. I wouldn't do that without seeking medical advice, however,

James, I actually was googling naturopaths today so your link comes at a good time. The last naturopathic experience I had wasn't great so here's hoping the website you shared steers me in the right direction.

And, yes, I see that The Natural now has the DHEA cubes back in stock. They were out of stock for the last few days so I gave up. I know...patience is required but I've always been one to want to wrap up a problem quickly. I can see now, though, that this won't be the case.

The problem is that the more you research, the more confusing it becomes. For example, I've read all kinds of conflicting ideas about bio-identical hormones, etc. and it becomes a matter of who or what to believe. I have listened to a little of what Dr. John Lee has to say but should probably investigate him more.

Anyway, I'll report back later when I'm farther down the road with this.

Thank you so much for your help!

Replied by Jennysmom2

I have found that the women's formula is very helpful, but expensive. Mama to Many, do you have a recipe for yours? I would appreciate it....

Replied by Mama To Many

Dear Jennysmom2,

Yes, here is my recipe for something like Dr. Shultze's Ladies Formula:

Mix together the following herbs in the amounts explained.

1 part Dong Quai Root (Angelica)
1 part Chaste Tree Berries (Vitex)
1 part Wild Yam Root
1 part of the following mix - (3 parts Damiana leaf, 1 part Hops Flowers, 1 part Licorice root)

Take 2 ounces of the dried herb and put into a mason jar. Pour 16 ounces (2 cups) 100 Proof Vodka (50% aqueous-alcohol solution) over the herbs. Put the lid on the jar. Shake twice a day. After two weeks (up to six weeks), strain through a clean piece of muslin or t-shirt fabric or coffee filter. Store in a cool dark place.

When I made this tincture, I skipped the Hops Flowers and Licorice root because I didn't have them on hand and there was not a lot in the mixture. So I just used equal parts of Dong Quai Root, Chaste Tree Berries, Wild Yam Root and Damiana Leaf.

I usually get my herbs from Mountain Rose Herbs. You can just get 1/4 pound of each. Between that and the vodka, the up front cost seems like a lot. But you will be able to make oodles of this tincture. The tincture will last a couple of years. So you could make a lot of this stuff up at once and not worry about it for a while.

A general way to dose this is 1-2 droppersfull (35-70 drops) 3 times a day. This should not be taken in pregnancy.

The website where I got this information is: How to Make Female Formula

There is more specific dosing information there.

I am glad it helps you. I think it is helpful, too!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by James

Lee, you're welcome. Good luck. And I know what you mean about things being confusing. Personally, what I found after doing lots of reading, is that it's like there's two voices out there. One is the voice of the typical, Western medicine approach, where pharmaceutical companies develop drugs and then submit it to the FDA for approval, and then when/if that drug is approved, then the pharmaceutical companies go to work to educate the doctors and try and get them to prescribe it. (Do a search for "do doctors receive kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies" on Google, and you'll see there's plenty of info on that.) But these drugs aren't natural. They're not totally bio-identical. If they were, the pharmaceutical companies could not patent them. Instead, they've had to tweak something about the molecular structure to make it unique where they could patent it. And all one has to do, is look at how many women got breast cancer from taking HRT to know how the bodies of some women reacted to these synthetic substances whose molecular structure is foreign to their bodies.

And then the other voice, is the totally bio-identical one - that says to women, don't put something in your body unless the molecular structure of that substance is naturally occurring in your body. And that's how my wife and I discovered natural progesterone, and years later, E3 vaginal suppositories, and then later, the hydration cubes.

When the first voice says estrogen, and progesterone, they don't mean the same thing as when the second voice says those terms. So, it can be confusing. They're not the same thing. And therein lies the challenge, I think, to the lay person.

Replied by Kaylord

My MD suggested I look into the following. I've been taking it for a week and found a good price by googling around. The science behind it is very strong but improvements aren't seen for awhile. And NO side effects! Http://

I also got a prescription for bioidentical estriol vaginal cream. It definitely worked! Four weeks into it, I'm now trying a lower dose b/c of breakthrough bleeding on off days. Apparently that only happens when the dose is too high. It seems a half dose is sufficient for me. I have a blood clotting condition and neither of these are contraindicated for that. The safety profile for both is very reassuring.

On a side note, I've been taking bioidentical progesterone at different doses for the past year. I've settled on 100 mg/day. On 300 mg/day I was very, very tired all the time. Apparently, the vast majority of women need progesterone starting in their mid-30s.

Replied by Gayle

Used Biodentical Hormones 3 yrs ago, age 56, for about 18 months, rubbed the compound as prescribed under my arms between the elbow and armpit for approx. 12-18 months, developed Melanoma spot at the exact area compound was placed! Be careful and observe your bodies when using these chemicals. I threw the stuff in the trash!

Replied by Kate

I read this and have been using the evening primrose capsules vaginally & by mouth. It has helped.

Replied by Akp
(Los Angeles)

Magnesium oil applies on skin help women all age, especially women after menopause. Human body use Magnesium to synthesize their natural DHEA. Instead of using the synthetic hormone, which may not work for everybody, and possible cause side effect, supply our body the ingredients its need. I use magnesium oil daily after a bath and use as a massage oil on the body area for foreplay. Homemade Coconut Oil infused with Calendula flower; fennel seed works well as the natural lubricant. These herbs may help regulate hormone and heal skin, prevent soreness. However, we need to address the underlying problem, stress, poor diet, vitamin, mineral deficiency, a bad digestive system can cause vaginal atrophy at any age. Tackle those gaps and challenges with a skilled holistic health expert. We all deserve love and happiness. I'm 50 and have enjoyed intimate love with my husband than when I was 30s.

Replied by Bo
(California Usa)
1 out of 5 stars

Used Osphema for a month, expensive and did not experience much improvement. Perhaps using longer, but I was nervous about the side effects, so discontinued.

Replied by Lesa
(South Carolina)

Do you take this under the tongue? What effects does it give you?

Royal Jelly

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5 star (1) 

Posted by Houdini (Chicago, Il) on 01/26/2021
5 out of 5 stars

Anyone have any experience with topical royal jelly for vaginal atrophy? There was a study that it worked as well as topical estrogen. Would like to make diy. Have tried EVERYTHING.

Sea Kelp

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Posted by ME Martinez (El Centro, Ca) on 05/28/2017
5 out of 5 stars

Vaginal atrophy cure:

Try SEA KELP. It fixed my delicate, sensitive, irritated, painful private parts. Highly recommend!! I finally feel normal again! I now take 1 pill 225 mgs daily (mornings). Had complete hysterectomy last year at age 55 hoping it would help recover the many feminine issues I had, but it did not fix much. The DHEA also helped me but this much more. I take both now.

I take 100 mgs of DHEA once a week.

I have been on the Kelp only a few weeks now but the results were within a few days!

Sea Sponges

Posted by Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 04/20/2013

I was just googling around looking for some answers and was wondering if anyone has used the sea sponges intravaginally as a pessary and how effective they are... the site I saw also sells them to use as tampons.

Vaginal Atrophy Remedies

Posted by Jo (Newport, Ca, Usa) on 06/25/2013

I am 55 yrs old and had a complete hysterectomy in 2008. I have been diagnosed with vaginal atrophy. I am in constant pain, burning and pressure. No medical insurance! Cannot afford. Dr has me on premarin. 5 nightly for 3weeks. Then 2 times a week. I am into my 3rd week and there has been only a touch of an improvement. I am going crazy! I am single so I must work. I sit at my desk and cry. Please, any suggestions to help me? Thank you so much.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

Try magnesium citrate first if you can tolerate magnesium.. Start on half a pill and work your way up to a higher dose... Or an epsom salt bath /soak, might move the bowels but goes right to the muscles to cause them to relax, calcium causes muscle contractions. Multi vitamin, mineral supplements, kegal or core exercise, Deep breathing to help you relax and reduce anxiety from pain, progesterone cream to reduce estrogen dominant symptoms of menopause, daily walks to refresh you and strengthen core muscles. Read more of the earth clinic vaginal atrophy pages.

Replied by Rani
(Berkeley, Ca)

I had a very mild case of this (and also had a hysterectomy a few years ago). I found by far the most helpful thing for me has been pelvic floor physical therapy. Look around for pelvic rehabilitation therapists. It's good to also work in conjunction with your GYN. I have found between some estrogen therapy and the PRT my issues have almost completely gone away. The PRT work has been amazing.

Replied by Andrea C
(Cardiff, Wales)

Try 1 Red Clover Capsule 3 times daily. Are you taking any opiate pain killer's at all??? They cause vaginal, anal, and bowel spasms.

Replied by Jean
(Bellevue, Wa)

I've been suffering for 7 yrs extreme pain then recently started using 1/2 tsp hydralonic acid gel OTC with OTC syringes, w/o the needle. Uh...was THIS all that was needed ???? I can have sex without pain for first time in years! Frozen coconut oil cubes for lube too I have tried estradiol -silk -Yes- vitamin e - dilators -everything and anything. HA and coconut oil. 1x per day till better than 2x a week. Enjoy life again!


Jean, where are you finding the HA gel OTC?


Replied by Lori
(Spokane, Washington)

First off I would urge anyone that is on Premarin to get off it immediately! This is a synthetic hormone derived from pregnant mare urine. Not only is it bad for humans, it's horribly abusive to the horses that have to suffer, the foals that are born are most often slaughtered. Please Google it for more information. The price for this is exorbitant 300+ dollars all going to the drug companies let's spread the word there are natural bio identical hormone's that are much cheaper and safer for our bodies. I am doing quite well on hydration cubes myself so far so good!

Replied by Cara

Can you tell us what brand/form of the gel you use? Is it for vaginal use of as a moisturizer for skin? Thanks!

Witch Hazel

Posted by Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 04/30/2013

Astringents tighten things up and the vagina is no different , there are two plants known for these qualities and one is witch hazel. Put some into the vaginal cavity with your finger. Put some on a q tip and slightly put into rectum , just the cotton part to tighten spincter. Then use good multi minerals with 1-1 ratio of magnesium to calcium with trace minerals and good vitamin and omegas to get vaginal tissue youthful again.