DHEA for vaginal atrophy: Several ladies have posted that when applied vaginally DHEA does not get into the bloodstream and acts only on local tissue.. 2.5 mg mixed with coconut oil triggered migraine consistently after 2 days' use. I infer from this that it does indeed get into the bloodstream. So beware, ladies, as whatever the benefits, the possible side effects listed on sites such as the respected Mayo Clinic can be serious and include hormone sensitive cancers.
Thank you so much for writing out the solution in detail. I was able to get hold of DHEA (post via a reputable supplier) with the Carlson suppositories. Took about 2 weeks of daily use before I felt improvement, and I'm very happy to report, it works! I still have to use it as I haven't yet reached ‘saturation', as some here have, in order to cut back to 3 or 4 times a week. I tested it out, stopped for a day, and the dryness returned in 24 hours. I will probably have to continue daily use for a full month and test again. God bless.
Anyone have any experience with topical royal jelly for vaginal atrophy? There was a study that it worked as well as topical estrogen. Would like to make diy. Have tried EVERYTHING.
This might sound silly, but in March 2020 during the covid scare and the shortage of toilet paper ,I started using baby wipes. I had been suffering with the vaginal atrophy for two years prior to this. It totally went away. I do not even have the urge to scratch. I had tried everything to stop the itch but the baby wipes did the trick. I still continue to use the baby wipes and it has never returned. I sure hope that this helps anyone that tries it.
Is this available in Canada?
I have Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield through my Union.
I have Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield through my Union.
BETHBS, I resume you are familiar with Bio Identical Hormone Modulation. My Tractor Driver has been into it since the onset of menopause some 20 + years ago. At that time novice doctors were in the mix and they controlled you by how you felt. There were no tests done. So it was the blind leading the blind. Soon I found an Anti- Aging Doctor who knew which way was up. She ran tests. If you don't know, DHEA is the Granddaddy of all your hormones. Your body makes it, so your post is lacking. Mayo was where I got my annual physicals and I was not overly impressed. My wife and I both take DHEA daily according to our semi-annual blood work. Both sexes have Testosterone and Esteridol, just in different amounts. Suggest you find the right doctor and start over. Your migraines were telling you something about your hormone situation. That should be your concern. Reading this may help you. https://www.webmd.com/diet/dhea-supplements#1
DHEA for vaginal atrophy: Several ladies have posted that when applied vaginally DHEA does not get into the bloodstream and acts only on local tissue.. 2.5 mg mixed with coconut oil triggered migraine consistently after 2 days' use. I infer from this that it does indeed get into the bloodstream. So beware, ladies, as whatever the benefits, the possible side effects listed on sites such as the respected Mayo Clinic can be serious and include hormone sensitive cancers.
I do that! I just made my own cream using cocoa butter and coconut oil with DHEA. It helps with vulval atrophy. Also I haven't got thrush since I started using the cream. I have a super sensitive spot that tends to get infected and the cream is great. I also use 5mg suppositories about 10 times a month now. For the initial phase I used 3.5mg nightly for 3 weeks. I'm on a maintenance dose now.
Hi Allyd! I know my comment is coming to you almost a year after you posted but I've just found this thread and am so happy I did. I'm just curious to ask why you decided to start taking DHEA in perimenopause. I just ordered some DHEA micronized caps and after looking at all these comments, they appear to be from women post-menopause. My main symptom at this point is a constant burning sensation that I'm hoping will go away once I start the DHEA capsules. I also feel "thinner" down there already and I'm just 44! I'm hoping being proactive and starting now will help things before they get really bad. How long were you taking them in perimenopause before moving to the larger dose?
Hi Susan: I just received my micronized tablets from Amazon as well, and will start on them tomorrow. Just a quick question for you which may have been answered earlier in this thread - did you go on a maintenance dose after a certain point, or just continue with the 5 mg? What benefits did you see by applying externally as well as just inserting vaginally? I'm so happy to have found this thread.
Deb, What kind of Medicare coverage do you have? I have Medicare Advantage and they dont cover Intrarosa.
Yes, that's true. I actually am on Medicare, and I will revise my cost...it actually was $30 with my insurance. If you are NOT on Medicare, you can use the coupon.
@Deb from Florida: I was given some discount coupons, that would make the Intrarosa $25, but it says right on the coupon that it can't be used with Medicare or Medicaid, only commercial insurance like Blue Cross or something similar. So I'm confused. I'm on Medicare, part A&B, how did you get them to allow you to use the discount and get it for only $25?
I've just read a response from La in Australia submitted 22nd Feb 2018. She was outlining DHEA she purchased in Brisbane, Australia that worked for her. I'd like to contact her to find out more as I too would like to try what she used.
@Martinaa - I got 5mg DHEA Micronized Douglas Labs online from Amazon. I just cut them in half and insert in the morning. It dissolves in seconds. Everyday for 30 days, then every other. If you look online there are probably other companies...just look for micronized and it will melt upon insertion....
I started using Intrarosa. Will follow up on results! Fortunately it's covered by Medicare, just pay $25 for a month's supply.
Amazon has 5 micronized tabs that just melt in place. I have been using for 2 years and no side effects. I insert in the A.M. no cream necessary. Also have found that by crushing up into a fine powder can put a small amount on vulva for added relief. All that I have read indicates that there is no adsorption into the blood when used topically, so you are not adding to your hormone balance or imbalance.
Mar from Mexico - I have been using a natural sleep aid called Melatonin, ... in tablets or sublingual drops for insomnia. I only use 3-4 drops under my tongue at bedtime. if you use the tablets, I found the dosage harder to control & had to experiment more to figure out what I needed 5 or 10 mg. Available Over the counter. not a prescription. It's been around for years. easily available in health food store, natural products, sleep aids, also available online from amazon & ebay.
Raspberry leaf tea, nettle tea, raw eggs, kefir, raw turmeric root, damiana, dong quai, oatmeal, raw coconut, mustard seed powder - would all likely benefit your overall biology. For the dryness maybe try applying organic, cold-pressed castor oil. Good luck!
@Susan from Canada and anyone else suffering,
Hi, I read your comment about vaginal atrophy caused by chemotherapy and I too have had this experience. I am a 2 year cancer (nonhodgkins lymphoma survivor, thriver) and had 6 months of chemotherapy which put me right into menopause; no more period, some occasional hot flashes but the worst is the extreme vaginal dryness. I've tried so many holistic treatments; coconut oil, vitamin e suppositories, replens, organic aloe vera gel, nu-eve suppositories and I've even had 4 Mona Lisa laser rejuvenation procedures but still am suffering. I recently discovered the DHEA cubes after much time researching and just ordered some. I haven't started using them yet because I'm still a bit apprehensive due to the overall safety since having the cancer. This is all so very hard. I am trying to trust God to help me make the right decisions.
Any input, comments and advice from anyone would be much appreciated.
@Susan from Canada, I hope that things have improved for you.
Thanks so much for your detailed information. I've order what I need and hope to start this in the next week. This conversation was start in 2016 and wonder how you've been going with it since then? Cheers, Sharon
Thank you everyone for this great thread. I am having great (and quick! ) success with the 2.5mg DHEA pill and suppository combo. I'm looking forward to sharing my results with my doctor.
I am excited to try this..In fact, I got so excited that I may have actually booboo myself further. I had intimate relations on sunday and it was painful and left me with a VERY sore vagina in and out. I had used coconut oil before bed with some estrodial cream that I purchased from compounding phar, morn time was no better and actually felt worse:( So I thought maybe it would just get better if I tried to add some DHEA to my estrodial cream. Well I am in so much pain now feels and itching to boot. So, I noticed some of you suggested micronized type and have ordered this but from Pure Encapsulations, because it is free from additives. Now, I just want to be clear that the cubes which I ordered as well are just the basic ones with no estrodial? Also, my vagina is in such sad shape, any ideas to relieve the itching, aching, etc or just suck it up till my goods get here..This is an awesome conversation BTW:)
Hi thanks for your post. Do u know where I can get these?
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Jean, where are you finding the HA gel OTC?
Susie, You may also have high oxalates, which can cause vulvodynia. http://thevpfoundation.org/ (vulvar pain foundation). I had excruciating vulvar and vaginal atrophy from 1994. In 2014 I found out about my high oxalates: see oxvox.com I am, as a result of this earthclinic conversation, now completely free of vaginal atrophy. Here's how:
I am having great success with making my own vag suppositories with enzymatic therapy Youthful you DHEA 5mg capsules - each of which, I split in 4 parts into a silicon ice cube tray, and then pour hot melted coconut oil over the powder - give it a quick stir to distribute evenly in the oil - and pop into the fridge for a couple hours. I then keep the tray of suppositories by my bed and pop one in at bedtime when I'm already lying down. I started slow - 1 a week - 2 and etc. I find that there is a systemic improvement in DHEA levels - and I now occasionally pop one of the supps into my mouth for over all improvement. So - no vulvar pain - no vaginal pain (combo of low oxa diet and DHEA).
Mack, I am trying this now, waiting for my DHEA (micronized, 5mg ) to arrive and I have the Carlson's E suppositories, just going to poke a hole in the middle and put 2.5 mg in and see what happens. I am scared, though, as I am ULTRA sensitive to everything, that it will have somewhat of a systemic effect (I'm bipolar, have anxiety, etc.) but I have to do something about this atrophy.
My question to anyone is, I also have vulvar atrophy and had my first UTI, anyone take a little DHEA and rub it onto the vulva and clitoris and have results? I have a vulva cream that is awesome (a mixture of healing oils that has great reviews on Amazon) but does nothing for atrophy of course and I'm thinking of putting a very small amount of the powder into that and rubbing it in, maybe it will help that area also. I don't know if vaginal suppositories will help with vulvar atrophy.
Thank you for your suggestions. I am thinking of trying it.
I just found this info. which might be useful, Quote from web site: Bezwecken, Inc. has created a new and exciting product, ReNewedTM DHEA Vaginal Suppositories. ReNewedTM contains an unique formula of DHEA in a soothing base of Cocoa Butter, Beeswax, Vitamin E and organic oils of: Calendula, Frankincense and Lavender.
I am within commuting distance of Brisbane; would you provide the name of your Dr. or at least the name of the compounding pharmacy. The recent DHEA product on the US market is not in Australia yet.
Hi to all on the thread.
Thank you to all for your input, it has been wonderful to read about everyones experience with DHEA. like everyone else I did not want to use an oestrogen supplement for a prolapse and dry vagina.
This lead me to do a great deal of research on DHEA, which I then presented to my doctor with all the findings. Fortunately for me she knows me well and knows how thoroughly I research. We jointly had conversations with a local compounding pharmacy in Brisbane Australia that found a formula for DHEA suppositories 3.25mg (which was what I requested) they formulated a vaginal cream to insert with an applicator and also a refrigerated product to be inserted like a tampon. I have experimented with both of these and they both work extremely well. I am coming up to my third month with nightly doses. I found relief within one week when I started, no more burning and itching, and dryness is no more. The plus is that libido has increased. I am reporting back to my doctor next week and the great thing is that he is totally open to recommending to other women. Hope this helps any other Australians feeling the frustration.
I think it is worth noting the details for the Intrarosa product with DHEA for vaginal atrophy, esp. for those with Lichen Sclerosus. I believe it is now available in Canada, not sure about Australia.
Dr Cabeca, maker of vaginal Juvla cream with DHEA has studies to show that DHEA applied that way is limited to local effects, and does not enter your bloodstream. Feel free to google it. I read the reviews and only one person claims to have 'felt' the effect of the cream. I haven't tried the cream, but I am super sensitive to DHEA. A pinch of it, brings up a period, and I'm post-menopausal, so I'd probably feel the effects in my body as well.
Thank you for this! I too have been using the Murray Apothecary DHEA supposities for a couple of months now and have noticed a big difference in the VA and the dryness. Previous to that I'd been prescribed Estrace cream (by my doctor), but I couldn't use it due to the Estridiol causing unwanted side effects such as anxiety, bloating and menstral-type cramping. I agree that ordering the compounded DHEA suppositories does become expensive over time, so I'm going to try making my own with the Carlson-E suppositories.
The only *issue* that I've experienced since using the DHEA suppositories is a bit of water weight gain. Not sure if this is a common side-effect with DHEA or not?
Hi, I stumbled across this thread while trying to sort out my adrenal issues but also suffer from VA so I am well pleased!
Just wondering if anyone knows whether the DHEA would have an effect on the rest of the body if it's applied vaginally?
DHEA: Huge success. Here are the details - I ordered 2 items, from Vitacost online. DHEA tablets: Manufacturer is Douglas Laboratories DHEA Micronized 5mg. I split them in l/2, using a single edge blade or a pill cutter (from online drug store). Also ordered the Carlson Key-E suppositories. Separately, I googled 'vaginal suppository plastic applicator', and figured out where to get them. Even if you have to purchase a product 'off the shelf', to get the applicator - go for it. Let the flat end of the suppository, get a bit 'softish'. You can do this, by just holding your fingertip on the end, for art 15 seconds. Insert the suppository 'pointed end FIRST', so that when it is in the applicator, you are looking at the 'flat' end of the suppository. Take the l/2 of the DHEA tablet, and gently push it into the softened end of the suppository. It is MUCH easier, to have it all in the plastic applicator. If you need a little 'help' getting the applicator inside - use a bit of lubricant on the outside of the applicator. After act 5 days, I did not need any lubricant. This is MUCH easier, than melting the suppositories, and trying to mix up the l/2 of the DHEA pill, etc. The newly FDA approved DHEA suppositories called, 'IntraRosa', are too expensive for me. Murry Avenue Apothecary online, also has them; again, too expensive for me - but may be an option for a lot of you. Best regards.
I tried estriol suppositories and they did not help at all. I'm now trying the DHEA/Carlson suppository approach (2nd day) and will report back. Thank you to all the women on here for posting their experiences!
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Can you tell us what brand/form of the gel you use? Is it for vaginal use of as a moisturizer for skin? Thanks!
I feel deeply grateful for everyone who has contributed to this thread. In Australia we can't buy DHEA or import it. The only thing that I could find is a homeopathic 6X DHEA so after Xmas will buy some and insert it vaginally and see if it helps. I have thinning and bleed lightly because of this. I have started daily swabbing with coconut oil.
I have also had a ring inserted to correct a vaginal prolapse and it is amazing. Like I'm back to normal after years of having this thing hang out!!! The gyno put me on Vagifem but after 5 months I started to notice a lot of low level side effects -
I'm not sleeping properly and I'm getting night sweats. Also there seems to be a lowering of my immune system and an increase in my pain level – pain is no longer settling overnight ( I have significant degeneration in my lumbar spine). Possible itchy ears and at night face itches plus skin on face seems more blemished. Liver tenderness. I also seem to have low level depression and anxiety and am not as peaceful as I usually am and get thrown by things that usually wouldn't upset me to such a degree. It feels as though I have lost my vitality.
Do you take this under the tongue? What effects does it give you?
I know it has been a while but for other readers too, DHEA is a precursor for several hormones.
Thanks to the ladies on this board regarding DHEA and using the 5 mg micronized tabs from Douglas Labs. I take one 5mg tab and cut it up into 4 tabs. I take the 1.25 tab with a little Replens, vaginally. Using DHEA vaginal 1.25 mg has improved my quality of life. I no longer have constant feeling of a UTI and no longer have constant vaginal burning. I had a hysterectomy (no ovaries left). The doctors had me on estrogen till I turned 45, and then would no longer px estrogen. They would not even px vagifem. However, I finally found one doctor that would px vagifem. Even with vagifem, I had horrible vaginal dryness, and a feeling of a constant UTI (even though I did not have a UTI) and vaginal atrophy. I just started DHEA vaginal in September and DHEA has improved my quality of life. I still have vaginal atrophy, but the feeling of UTI is gone and constant feeling of vaginal burning is gone. I have not had any side effects on this dose.
Please remember, everyone is different and what works for one person, may not work for another. Of course, one should first check with their doctor, if they are considering using this.
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First off I would urge anyone that is on Premarin to get off it immediately! This is a synthetic hormone derived from pregnant mare urine. Not only is it bad for humans, it's horribly abusive to the horses that have to suffer, the foals that are born are most often slaughtered. Please Google it for more information. The price for this is exorbitant 300+ dollars all going to the drug companies let's spread the word there are natural bio identical hormone's that are much cheaper and safer for our bodies. I am doing quite well on hydration cubes myself so far so good!
I use Tucks hemorrhoid wipes (circular) and add Witchhazel to the jar for extra moisture, a few drops of Tea Tree oil (antibiotic), and AloeVera gel in the container. Keep it in bathroom, and even carry few in ziploc for purse. Soothing, and reduces pain and irritation in both V and anal areas.
I also use 1/2 dilution of Organic vinegar and water on Cottonelle wipes to help with PH when there are flare ups.
Used Osphema for a month, expensive and did not experience much improvement. Perhaps using longer, but I was nervous about the side effects, so discontinued.
I've read that we should try to do DHEA in a.m. as it can cause sleep/insomnia issues.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I had early menopause, am not sexually active, and am on an estrogen blocker post breast cancer. I had a Pap done yesterday and had to bite my tongue to keep from shouting from the pain. The doctor (new to me) could only suggest estrogen creme, which I can't use because of the breast cancer--and don't want to use anyway. I am in grateful tears learning that there is another solution.
I JUST STUMBLED ON YOUR COMMENTS FROM 2015 on using dhea cubes for vaginal dryness. I am 62 and have severe dryness and atrophy. I have tried all the Rxs my gynecologist prescribed but sex is painfull to the point that I get cuts or splits after sex. Could you please give me full detail on where you buy and exact name anddosage. How r u doing now. Any side effects. In desperate need. Thanks
You might look into bio identical progesterone cream to possible help with insomnia. Thanks for the info though will give your suggestions a go.
I started these and like them. Have been helping.
Where do I get the suppositories?
Congratulations on your success! However, you also mention that you're determined to figure your way out of your insomnia, too. So I just wanted to make a suggestion of what I think may be at the root of it and probably a host of other issues:
I think it's an iodine deficiency. Here's why I say that. While I understand that insomnia can have many different causes, I believe that endometriosis is generally caused by an iodine deficiency -- and insomnia is one of the many other issues that may arise because of it.
The odds that you are iodine deficient are quite high. As I recall, Dr. Flechas says that 94% of his patients tested deficient. (I can't recall if it was his female patients (who are actually more likely to be iodine deficient) or if it was 94% of his patients and those of Dr. Brownstein (who, along with Dr. Flechas, was recruited by the late, great Dr. Guy Abraham to do clinical research on iodine supplementation.
In any case, I highly recommend watching Dr. Flechas' YouTube videos (his longer ones -- 40+ minutes and 1-1/2 hours long) and educating yourself about iodine before beginning supplementation because it's a very complex topic and it's very important to take seven or eight nutrients along with the iodine -- including selenium, zinc, magnesium, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Riboflavin, and Niacin. (And I think there's at least one more that I'm forgetting.) And failing to do so can not only result in you not getting the benefit of the iodine, but it can also harm you by aggravating an autoimmune hypothyroid condition called Hashimoto's.
So it's a complex topic that requires an expenditure of time and effort. However, I think you'll find it well worth it in the end. And, by the way, by doing so, you'll be dramatically lowering your risk of cancer along with a myriad of other benefits too numerous to mention.
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Try SEA KELP. It fixed my delicate, sensitive, irritated, painful private parts. Highly recommend!! I finally feel normal again! I now take 1 pill 225 mgs daily (mornings). Had complete hysterectomy last year at age 55 hoping it would help recover the many feminine issues I had, but it did not fix much. The DHEA also helped me but this much more. I take both now.
I take 100 mgs of DHEA once a week.
I have been on the Kelp only a few weeks now but the results were within a few days!
@Mar - To help with sleep, I've found that 400 mg of magnesium an hour before bed has been a big help. I use a mixed magnesium with Magnesium Oxide, Magnesium Citrate and Magnesium Aspartate - 400 mg. It doesn't cause diarrhea but will keep things "easy".
You can also try magnesium spray. I'm not a fan of the odd kind of sticky, kind of oily feeling on the skin though so I haven't gotten into using it like so many others. They say the lotion doesn't cause that problem.
Are you able to comment on the brand and mg (dosage) of each tablet?
I'm so thankful for earth clinic and for all the women that have commented on this cure, you saved my life! I was depressed to the point of being suicidal after my oophorectomy at 43 (my last ovary removed due to endometriosis). I expected some hot flashes, but my doctor never mentioned "your sex life will be over" as a menopause symptom (or I would've waited out the endo) So after my first attempt after the operation, I had painful sex for the first time ever... I had an emotional breakdown! I researched furiously for days and once again, earthclinic was the source for the best remedy! (I've come here before for many other remedies in the past)
Reading all your comments, I started looking for what I could find in my country. I found DHEA tablets, got some cocoa butter, melted the cocoa butter and added the pulverised tablet, poured the concoction as drops on wax paper, let them harden and voila! Home made DHEA suppositories. The go in smoothly, and I used them daily for a week or two, and now only twice a week. The cost is minimal, and no side effects. Back to having amazing sex again. The days I use them I know ill have some goo in my undies, (chocolate smelling goo LOL), but no biggie. Now that dryness is a thing of the past, I can try just the fraction of tablet without the cocoa butter, I guess! Right now the ONLY menopausal symptom that I haven't been able to research myself out of is insomnia...but I'm determined to figure that one out next!! Thank you to all commenters, thank you earth clinic!
I used to use suppositories for this purpose, but after talking with my compounder, he said you don't really need the suppository, if your situation is such that you can just insert a tablet (if you are too dry or your atrophy makes it difficult). If you are a point where you can still insert something small, you may not need the suppository, just a tablet.
I have purchased Douglas brand micronized DHEA tablets, 5 mg and 10 mg.
They are very tiny.
You can split the tablets if you want a dose other than 5 or 10.
I insert one, it dissolves BINGO. No mess. Sometimes a tiny little bit of discharge but invisible. No taste or odor to it.
If you need some help to insert it, you can use a bit of another vaginal suppository or natural oil like coconut or whatever agrees with your body, and perhaps a inserter like for an ovule or suppository.
If you read the research they based the doses on 3.25,6.5 and 13. 25 (or something similar), every day for one month and then tapering or intermittently. The best results were with the higher doses but the tiny increases in serum hormone levels were the highest there too, but all still within normal post-menopausal levels.
Earlier in perimenopause the 5 mg did fine for me, After a month, I reduced to a few times a week and ultimately then cut in half.
As I progressed tho, I needed a bit more and I redid the one month course of 10 mg, which I supplemented with a tiny bit of a DHEA cream for the vulva area, called Julva, to "add up" to 13.
The I started dropping to a few days a week. If I neglect it, I have to do the every day thing again for a while
But honestly with the tablet it is so unobtrusive that it is no big deal.
I tested my levels and they did in fact stay within normal limits. The Vaginal DHEA does NOT affect you like the topical or ingested one. It does its work near where you put it... just like you want it too!
Ladies this WORKS. I have adrenal fatigue so even tho my estrogen was not too low, none of the estrogenic effects got anywhere near where the "trouble" was. Adrenal deficiency or low DHEA can help explain why some women with the same estrogen levels could have dryness while others don't.
And if I am stressed out and my DHEA drops... sure enough my dryness increases and I up back to 10 for a while.
Julva is a cream by a doctor, search it online. I use some of that around the urethra for some Urinary tract issues and to supplement my tablets a little.
Good luck ladies. Once the FDA approves this I hope they don't take it all away from us and make us get costly prescriptions for it.
Because so far this is a miracle solution.
Walker! You don't have to go thru the hassle of using the vitamin e, you can order the DHEA suppositories and just use 1/2 a cube nightly for 12 nights and then just twice a week after. The people from UK can't get the suppositories. This is what I do.
Just an idea.
I ordered these and just started them, I cut them in Half and inset, will see how it goes and report back.
Thanks a lot for your testimony. I also live in the UK and I have the same problem, vaginal atrophy. I am very interested in the mix of Carlsons cube and the dhea 10mg.
Can you tell me if it's still working after a year please? Do you have any side effects? Where can I buy the carlson cubes? Does it also work for the libido? Many thanks for your help.
Thank you so much for all these helpful suggestions! So encouraging! If you can't find Carlson's, try melting a bit of coconut oil and adding a mg or so of the dhea powder (mix even amounts of the dhea to coconut oil)- (i.e. 1/2 tsp oil to 1 mg dhea powder) pour into ice cube tray freeze for an hour then pop em out for storage in baggie and use a couple times a week.
I have vaginal atrophy very badly where sex is out of the question. Plus I'm raw and have a discharge. I'd love a follow up as to if this is still working for you since it's now 12/2016. I am wanting to try this system. Already did Premarin and also Vagifem and they did absolutely nothing at all. Thanks Erin
Hi Laurie. I bought mine from Healthmonthly.co.uk Swanson 120 capsules 10mg for £4.68. I am just about to give them a go tomorrow. As we do not have the Carlsons I will try the cotton bud method with coconut oil suggested by Tommi.
Sandra, your information is so helpful, thank you. I have just found this, and so went straight on to Amazon to order both the Carlsons and the Swanson DHEA, but neither of them are on there! I'm guessing they've been stopped for some reason. I will look to see if I can find them anywhere else in the UK (SO frustrating that the simple solution of a DHEA suppository isn't available to us here). In the meantime, if you read this, please would you advise where you are now sourcing them? Many thanks!
This question is to Sandra from the UK. Could you please give me an update on how things are going. I have VA and the skin outside my vagina cuts after intercourse and is very painful. I am taking vagifem and an oral estrogen/progesterone and am suffering with sore breasts and headaches and it's not working very well. I mentioned DHEA to my doctor who said she had never heard of it and dismissed it. Also is it possible to just put the powder in the vagina without using the carlson capsules. How high up should it be put.
Thank you for your post. It is a great help and I appreciate your being very specific about your routine and how this affects you. I am in the process of investigating this problem since it has become unbearable.
I have found bezwecken suppositories at askdrhelen.com she is a natural doctor and sells bezwecken suppositories. I just bought some from her. Hopes this helps you. blessings Mary
You might give the herbal infusion of oat straw a try and see if it helps restore your hormonal balance, as per herbalist Susun Weed. You can buy a pound of oat straw herb on amazon. Measure out one ounce of the herb and place in a quart jar. Boil water and fill the jar. Allow to steep for at least 4 hours or overnight. Strain out the herb and drink from 2 to 4 cups of the infusion daily. Refrigerate remainder for up to 36 hours. Easy enough. It is recommended that you purchase the loose herb and not tea bags or capsules, to obtain the best effect.
There is a liquid probiotic product called Flora PM rich in humic minerals that may also restore your balance. It is made in the USA so it may be costly to ship to Canada.
I have a friend who is a breast cancer survivor who was helped in this department by the Flora PM and I think it works in the same way as the oat straw infusion, by providing nutrients to the body.
Recently on an essential oil summit on the internet, one of the lady presenters said that the best oil for vaginal atrophy is pomegranate. I found a source in the UK via eBay.
Wondering if anyone else's atrophy was caused by chemotherapy? I was treated with chemo for breast cancer. Now my oncologist reluctantly prescribed Premarin but says it is risky for cancer fuelled by estrogen. I'm 47 & the atrophy is terrible. As if cancer was not bad enough.
I just found these "conversations" tonight on vaginal atrophy and I am amazed that more physicians aren't aware of this remedy. So many of you have nothing but praise for this solution. After reading all the comments, I have to try your method, Sandra ... just ordered the Carlsons Key E and some 25 mg DHEA capsules online from Amazon.
I can't wait to get my order and start making up my own remedy. Thank you so much sharing your discovery ... I'll keep you posted on my results; and hopefully that will be soon.
I have terrible trouble sitting and lying down. I'm only a week into these dhea plus Carlson and have not had much change yet but hoping for some improvement very soon. I just want to sit with comfort. Has anyone else had these problems and did it take the dhea longer to work? Very interested.
HI U WYDO,,,,,,,,,, my integrative doctor has his wife on Nattokinase because she has A fib. I also take this along with Taurine and Cartizim. I don't like doing pharmaceuticals, but I also don't like going to the ER in the middle of the night when my pulse hits 180 and I can hear my heart beats in my ears.
I have a better solution......... don't get old.
Marcy, please look into Nattokinase for your blood clots. This will help greatly for that and many other things as well, such as cleaning up your veins. It is a type of enzyme from a soybean ferment. Any soy in it has been removed although one brand puts it in soy oil so if you are sensitive to soy look at what the other ingredients are.
thank you Sandra, I started them last night with the dhea I will update next week. And thank you for posting as this alone will help people in The UKðŸ‘âï¸âï¸âï¸
Thank you Sandra, I started them last night with the dhea I will update next week. And thank you for posting as this alone will help people in The UKðŸ‘âï¸âï¸âï¸
Shirley. Carlson Key E, to give them their full name, are natural vitamin E suppositories. From the description on the rear of the box: they are natural soothing inserts prepared with a base derived from coconut and palm oils. They also contain natural-scource vitamin E. It is these Carlsons that supply the hydration and soothing that us ladies with atrophy are so lacking. They do give immediate relief from that awful dryness. Then the Sylk, necessary to get the DHEA to adhere to the Carlson suppository, also provides further hydration in itself. The DHEA is necessary to solve the long term problem, and the nearest we have to a cure that I know of without going down the route of using Premarin or Vagifem which my body couldn't tolerate. I purposefully tracked down the lowest dose of DHEA with the intention of increasing it if I thought it necessary, but it appears to be enough to ease my symptoms. However, I could only find it in capsule form at Swanson so I can only hope they will continue selling it for as long as it is needed. Maybe one day we in the UK will be able to purchase the dehydration cubes that those fellow sufferers in the U.S. are lucky to be able to buy.
Regarding your question concerning the DHEA cream. I will have to do a bit of research into that as I don't really have any knowledge of it beyond being used solely for anti-ageing. Maybe somebody else on this site has used it and has any comments to add concerning the cream and whether it could be beneficial for atrophy?
Shirley, if you have any further questions just ask and I will try to remember to look in on this site more often. My homemade 'recipe' appears to be working for others too and it's worth a trial as, let's face it, we don't have too many options open to us.
Please forgive my ignorance but what is a Carlson? And could you use dhea cream. I have been in absolute agony for 5 years now. Please advise, many thanks Shirley
I am suffering terribly with vaginal atrophy and wondered how you were getting on. I've had it for over five years. Nothing has worked. Could you please let me know how this has helped you.
Thank yo,u Shirley
Magnesium oil applies on skin help women all age, especially women after menopause. Human body use Magnesium to synthesize their natural DHEA. Instead of using the synthetic hormone, which may not work for everybody, and possible cause side effect, supply our body the ingredients its need. I use magnesium oil daily after a bath and use as a massage oil on the body area for foreplay. Homemade Coconut Oil infused with Calendula flower; fennel seed works well as the natural lubricant. These herbs may help regulate hormone and heal skin, prevent soreness. However, we need to address the underlying problem, stress, poor diet, vitamin, mineral deficiency, a bad digestive system can cause vaginal atrophy at any age. Tackle those gaps and challenges with a skilled holistic health expert. We all deserve love and happiness. I'm 50 and have enjoyed intimate love with my husband than when I was 30s.
I read this and have been using the evening primrose capsules vaginally & by mouth. It has helped.
Caroline. Yes, the DHEA capsules are originally for oral use but research in the U.S. shows that using them internally minimises/negates any potential side effects.
Any small plastic container suffices, in fact I no longer use the lid on mine, just shake the Carlsons suppository, Sylk and DHEA from side to side to coat the Carlsons. Any small plastic container will be ok - mine originally contained disposable gloves for hair dye but how about those little containers used to measure medicine or those see through ones that you get on top of toiletries. Easy to rinse out after use and small is good only because you then don't waste so much of the DHEA that tends to stick to the sides. As long as half the suppository just fits into the container it will be perfect. As for inserting vaginally there is only one way and that is to just pretend it's a tampon! The Carlsons are really quite comfortable to use due to their waxy composition. I usually place half a dozen or so into my bathroom cabinet for immediate use and store the remainder of the Carlsons in the fridge.
It has only been a matter of a few months now and, to tell the truth, the Atrophy rarely, if ever, crosses my mind. Mine was so severe as I had been wrongly informed that when I had my hysterectomy some 25 years ago that it was partial, had never been offered any treatment, and was in total ignorance of the long term effects it was having on my vaginal health. It was only when I got to my mid 60's and questioned why I didn't have any menopausal symptoms that the error came to light. I had also given up attempting any form of intimacy, due to the excruciating pain that involved nearly 15 years ago, so wasn't aware of how my condition had really worsened since that time.
So, here I am today and I only use the DHEA about every 3 days or so, and without having to go into details, I can so tell the difference when inserting the Carlsons that maybe if the right man came along ...... well, who knows! The thought certainly doesn't appear to terrify me any more.
Try brand Desert Essence
I found silicon ice cube trays that are perfect for making suppositories. (They are for water bottles, long and narrow.). I warm coconut oil and pour into the trays, then freeze. I cut into thirds and insert. Easy! Will purchase another for the dhea. Thanks ladies!
Hi I was so interested in your progress so guess who also got Carlsons, and swansons dhea. I also purchased a dilator kit. Day one of using all 3. Dialator for ten mind gently probing sore spots as per instructions. It's such an upsetting and embarrassing condition that I felt compelled to join the thread and will keep you updated. Thank you for sharing x
It is so comforting to read these posts. I have been suffering from vaginal atrophy for a few years (I'm 62) and given up on Vagifem to replace my oestrogen because it gave me severe abdominal pains and left the skin burning and sore once I reduced the doseage. If DHEA can do the job, I will be delighted.
Sandra, can I just ask you to confirm. You buy DHEA from Swanson as 10g capsules which are meant to be swallowed. Instead, you use half a capsule and mix it with half a Vitamin E suppository, using Sylk lubricant as a mixer.
What is the little plastic tub you mix it in?
How do you then get the mixture inserted into your vagina??
Louise. Carlsons are vaginal suppositories containing vitamin E which I obtained from Amazon. When you remove them from the foil they are each individually enclosed in I can only describe them as a white, waxy bullet. When I have pulled down the foil about half way down I then insert my thumb nail to separate the suppository in two and just take the top piece and place it in my tiny lidded container, and rewrap the piece left in the foil to use up next time. As stated previously I then tip out half of the DHEA capsule (keeping the half remaining capsule to use next time with the suppository) put the lid on the plastic container and shake them both up together. I did discover a better way though and have bought a lubricant called Sylk (I'm sure any water based lube would be OK) and add just one drop to the plastic container before I shake it. This improved the take up of the DHEA onto the Carlsons. So there you have it, my D.I.Y recipe (following weeks of Google research) to finally beat this very painful condition of severe atrophy. The Carlsons gave me immediate relief from the soreness and dryness, and there is hope that the DHEA will provide a long term return to normality. I did use this every day for a month and now reduced to alternate days 3 times a week with a break at the weekends. The cost is minimal and I don't suffer any of the symptoms I was experiencing before. I would have used the Dehydration Cubes if they were available in the U.K. but they just aren't but as this method is undeniably working for me I am quite happy to continue with it. I was prescribed Vagifem by my local hospital but was too sore to even be able to insert the applicator without a great deal more pain and within 5 days I was so unwell I knew I couldn't continue with it. The severe headache in itself was unbearable but I had severe cramps in my lower regions and, it's hard to describe, but I felt as if my body was trying to eject that one small, hard tablet. I am a person who has experienced similar headaches which went on day after day whenever I was described anything hormonal but I have had no problem whatsoever in tolerating the DHEA and it doesn't remind me of its presence in any way. I insert it and forget it. Simples!
Thank you for sharing and I am trying to find a solution to atrophy also.
I am just trying to understand your response.
You will insert vaginally a low dose DHEA capsule? I am unsure what a Carlson is. Any information would be most helpful.
Hydration cubes or anything like that are not available in the U.K. After a lot of searching I decided to use the Carlsons, but the main problem was getting hold of the low dose DHEA capsules. It took a lot of research but I finally found them at a company called Swanson. I ordered one bottle of 120 10mg for less than £9 with postage. It is quite simple, I break a Carlson in half (a whole one is too much) and roll it in the contents of a DHEA capsule, which has been opened up and put into a small plastic container. One capsule lasts about 3 days so 120 will last approx a year. I intend to do this daily for a month and then cut down to 3 times a week. My severe atrophy symptoms disappeared within a few days and now I feel completely cured and it's only been 2 weeks!
I hope this is of benefit to those of you residing in the U.K as we do not appear to have the resources available to us that there are in the U.S.
Yes, age makes a difference. I sympathize with your situation but let me tell you what I've learned. First off though, I just turned 80 years old, and for the first time in my life started suffering with severe vaginal atrophy (va). My doctor immediately wanted to start me on Premarin cream.....of all things... and even as uninformed as I was about va, I knew instinctively that estrogen applied to the vagina is not a good idea because of the cancer risks. The doctor told me not to worry because when used topically around the vaginal opening and very little applied inside, it would not pose a problem. She never did offer any information as to what caused this condition or if there was any cure. I was so skeptical and even angry with her cavalier attitude that I decided I would go by my own gut instincts and not fill the Premarin cream prescription. I also set about doing my own homework about the condition. But to add to my woes, I also have Pelvic Organ Prolapse, which is not surprising since all five of my children were born vaginally, and the births were a terrific strain on the muscles which certainly accounts for the prolapse. But the vaginal atrophe is due to the depletion of cell and hormone production as we age. To my surprise I also learned that sex actually helps keep the vaginal canal lubricated and thus is beneficial.
Hello I am 53 and I have terrible VA.. so much so that I have not been able to have intercourse in a couple years now.. Post menopause.. It is so thin it tears immediately and inside feels like glass.. excruciating pain.. It makes me so sad.. I do not want to take hormones.. I gain weight easily with that stuff. I would love to try this if it will not make me gain weight. Looking for the best place to find it.
I am a 65 year old postmenopausal woman and tired of lack of sex drive, vaginal dryness and thinning of skin. Searching the internet about a month ago, my husband found Bezwecken DHEA cubes. I topically insert half of the cube nightly and it took only one week to feel "back of normal" in every way! I highly recommend this to all postmenopausal women. No side effects so far.
Used Biodentical Hormones 3 yrs ago, age 56, for about 18 months, rubbed the compound as prescribed under my arms between the elbow and armpit for approx. 12-18 months, developed Melanoma spot at the exact area compound was placed! Be careful and observe your bodies when using these chemicals. I threw the stuff in the trash!
Thank you for sharing. I've been looking for alternatives to drugs. Any brand in particular?
Search the internet and you can find and download the actual studies themselves.
The studies clearly show that when used only intravaginally, the DHEA affects blood serum levels of the other hormones either not at all or minimally and within the normal range for post menopausal women. The effect on the other hormones is no where near as strong as if you ingested DHEA or used a cream.
An internet search can find the studies which you can download for free. Here is one of the links, which includes references to some of the other studies: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/838010
How do you insert the jojoba oil? Have been using coconut oil & vitamin E suppositories every 2-3 days at night, amazingly effective in only a couple of weeks! More plump tissue, even mons, libido seems to be returning, more urine control. Can't believe no MD or naturopath suggested anything besides kegels, hormone or bioidentical hormone cream in all these years of incontenence, low libido, & too painful for sexual activity.
Actually, if you read the research, the good thing about these is that they do NOT convert into estrogen or testosterone in the blood significantly. I read the the studies so far and the increases in blood levels were minimal, especially at the lower dose of 3.5 mg.
My MD suggested I look into the following. I've been taking it for a week and found a good price by googling around. The science behind it is very strong but improvements aren't seen for awhile. And NO side effects! Http://www.metagenics.com/products/product-lines/estrovera
I also got a prescription for bioidentical estriol vaginal cream. It definitely worked! Four weeks into it, I'm now trying a lower dose b/c of breakthrough bleeding on off days. Apparently that only happens when the dose is too high. It seems a half dose is sufficient for me. I have a blood clotting condition and neither of these are contraindicated for that. The safety profile for both is very reassuring.
On a side note, I've been taking bioidentical progesterone at different doses for the past year. I've settled on 100 mg/day. On 300 mg/day I was very, very tired all the time. Apparently, the vast majority of women need progesterone starting in their mid-30s.
It is working as today is the 8th day. I have made it easier by making tiny heaps of the mixture made in the above insert written, onto wax or aluminium foil and places in a container, and placed in refrigerator. The dosage is 5 mg (u can get 10 mg or 5 mg micronized dhea capsules) for 30 "suppositories". It is easier after taking out form the fridge and just insert them by hand the q tip. The micronized dhea is best absorbed via mucous membrane and the coconut oil is an anti inflammatory and anti fugal. Needless to say with a dry lining inside, anything and everything caused itching but not this! I tried the DHEA cubes and the estrio cubes both gave me thrush after 4 days but this is the best way I could use and the cheapest. Of course one has to be judicious about using them.
DHEA still is a steroid so cannot use permanently on a regular basis as it does convert to estradiol and testosterone, but because it is vaginal the rate of absorption and therefore conversion is much less in the circulation. But now it has to be herbal pills for oral, extrotone, back cohosh etc, and vaginal moisturizers, VIT e and coconut oil most non reactive and natural and the occasional use of DHEA once the cells of the vaginal lining has regenerated. I do not plan to take my preparation daily everyday once the 30 days are up and in the manner I have already described.
Also, one has to at least do a saliva testing of hormone levels at least twice a year. There are risks for us women taking any kind of steroids for the long term.
I have been off and on hormones as I had menopause at age 41 and first 2 yrs I was on premarin and depo. The next 2 years on compounding bioidentical. Next 1 year of Vivelle patch only, Then 2 years of root/natural concoction by a local (overseas) which really worked wonders as I lost all abdominal fat, breasts perky, and vaginal secretion. Realized that won't be safe in the long run so went off. Vaginal atrophy and serious drenching hot flashes every 20 mins. Got on amazon smoky mtns estriol and progesterone cream. after 3 months off again and now everything is back. I am 52 now and I have atrophy so no sex or even desire. Decide no more estrogen natural or otherwise as I have extensive family history of cancer on both sides.
To make a long story short, I have decided on DHEA after researching on the net. I tried estriol cubes meant for the skin by Bezwecken but ended up with vaginal thrush. So I ordered micronized dhea online (douglas labs brand), bought unrefined extra virgin coconut oil from whole foods (USA) and broke 15 capsules into a large tablespoon (heaped) of coconut oil, blended well wth a spoon and use a q tip to take a small amount (in my mind that tablespoon will be 30 doses using it with the q tips, as much as it would carry on the tip without dropping) and insert in my vagina every morning after breakfast as DHEA, testosterone peaks then. Today is the 5th day and I will continue for a month and if atrophy feels better, will come down to 2 times a week for 2 months then 1 time per week and then once every other week for maintenance. I will write after I see results.
I have suffered from VA off and on for more than 20 years. Reluctantly resorted to vegifem, Premarin, helped some, but, not for long and worried about side effects. Now Osphena is being offered. I know they say it isn't estrogen, but, works like estrogen in the vagina. I am still concerned about the negative effects of too much estrogen. Any thoughts out there on the safety of osphena? I have just started the DHEA hydration cubes. I hoping those do the job instead of main stream drugs. But, is their still a worry about the DHEA converting to estrogen with negative side effects?
Kat, I would contact the company and see what they say about what you are experiencing. Good luck!
Did you have any problems getting it into Canada since it is still illegal? Thanks for your help
Suggestion: First go to a very good muscles testing person to see what level of DHEA your body needs.
Lee, you're welcome. Good luck. And I know what you mean about things being confusing. Personally, what I found after doing lots of reading, is that it's like there's two voices out there. One is the voice of the typical, Western medicine approach, where pharmaceutical companies develop drugs and then submit it to the FDA for approval, and then when/if that drug is approved, then the pharmaceutical companies go to work to educate the doctors and try and get them to prescribe it. (Do a search for "do doctors receive kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies" on Google, and you'll see there's plenty of info on that.) But these drugs aren't natural. They're not totally bio-identical. If they were, the pharmaceutical companies could not patent them. Instead, they've had to tweak something about the molecular structure to make it unique where they could patent it. And all one has to do, is look at how many women got breast cancer from taking HRT to know how the bodies of some women reacted to these synthetic substances whose molecular structure is foreign to their bodies.
And then the other voice, is the totally bio-identical one - that says to women, don't put something in your body unless the molecular structure of that substance is naturally occurring in your body. And that's how my wife and I discovered natural progesterone, and years later, E3 vaginal suppositories, and then later, the hydration cubes.
When the first voice says estrogen, and progesterone, they don't mean the same thing as when the second voice says those terms. So, it can be confusing. They're not the same thing. And therein lies the challenge, I think, to the lay person.
Yes, here is my recipe for something like Dr. Shultze's Ladies Formula:
Mix together the following herbs in the amounts explained.
1 part Dong Quai Root (Angelica)
1 part Chaste Tree Berries (Vitex)
1 part Wild Yam Root
1 part of the following mix - (3 parts Damiana leaf, 1 part Hops Flowers, 1 part Licorice root)
Take 2 ounces of the dried herb and put into a mason jar. Pour 16 ounces (2 cups) 100 Proof Vodka (50% aqueous-alcohol solution) over the herbs. Put the lid on the jar. Shake twice a day. After two weeks (up to six weeks), strain through a clean piece of muslin or t-shirt fabric or coffee filter. Store in a cool dark place.
When I made this tincture, I skipped the Hops Flowers and Licorice root because I didn't have them on hand and there was not a lot in the mixture. So I just used equal parts of Dong Quai Root, Chaste Tree Berries, Wild Yam Root and Damiana Leaf.
I usually get my herbs from Mountain Rose Herbs. You can just get 1/4 pound of each. Between that and the vodka, the up front cost seems like a lot. But you will be able to make oodles of this tincture. The tincture will last a couple of years. So you could make a lot of this stuff up at once and not worry about it for a while.
A general way to dose this is 1-2 droppersfull (35-70 drops) 3 times a day. This should not be taken in pregnancy.
The website where I got this information is: How to Make Female Formula
There is more specific dosing information there.
I am glad it helps you. I think it is helpful, too!
~Mama to Many~
I would be very careful with DHEA! Did you know it contains testosterone? A friend of mine just told me she had been using it and started to grow a moustache and other side effects. Please read up on all the side effects before using it.
Hi all, I really would like to order these DHAE cubes but shipping it to Europe is quite expensive. Does anyone know if I can get this anywhere in Europe? I cannot find it on the Internet. I really would be very thankful.
Hi, over time did you continue using DHEA? Did it affect your fibroids? I've just been told by a compounding pharmacist that DHEA breaks down into estradiol which concerns me. Any insight would be greatly recommended as I'm deciding upon which treatment to embark upon.
I have found that the women's formula is very helpful, but expensive. Mama to Many, do you have a recipe for yours? I would appreciate it....
"Mama to Many"
Thank you for your suggestions...the "Female Formula" sounds promising and it sent me off into many more hours of research!
There are several natural remedies to explore although it's hard to not just want a "quick fix" ( well relatively quick, anyway) by taking the DHEA cubes or estriol cubes that seem to have such a high success rate. I wouldn't do that without seeking medical advice, however,
James, I actually was googling naturopaths today so your link comes at a good time. The last naturopathic experience I had wasn't great so here's hoping the website you shared steers me in the right direction.
And, yes, I see that The Natural now has the DHEA cubes back in stock. They were out of stock for the last few days so I gave up. I know...patience is required but I've always been one to want to wrap up a problem quickly. I can see now, though, that this won't be the case.
The problem is that the more you research, the more confusing it becomes. For example, I've read all kinds of conflicting ideas about bio-identical hormones, etc. and it becomes a matter of who or what to believe. I have listened to a little of what Dr. John Lee has to say but should probably investigate him more.
Anyway, I'll report back later when I'm farther down the road with this.
Thank you so much for your help!
I just ordered a 12-cube pack of Bezwecken DHEA Cubes from NaturalNutritionals.com. I am confused as some here have mentioned types of dhea being used as suppositories in a range of dosages from 3.5mg to 13 mg if I remember correctly. that is quite a difference. there are also several names being tossed about for seemingly the same thing? I received my order, but they don't have the amount of dhea in each cube listed, which I think is strange, but it's not like it is some off-brand. Consequently I will be calling the seller tomorrow to ask some questions. My question here is, it seems some are using a 3.5 mg sublingual tablet normally taken by mouth as a suppository and halving or quartering it which seems like a very tiny amount. I have severe dryness and no libido, but my hormones are not too far off. I'm 67 and been menopausal since 1996. And have not had sex in about 15 years. I know. I know. Gotta use it. Anyway, I am extremely careful about what I put in and on my body and don't have any faith whatsover in doctors. I pretty much go by how I feel and other than a constant annoying post nasal drip am very healthy.
When you say you tried ordering the cubes but they're not available...can you expound on that? Because I just googled Bezwecken DHEA cubes and one of the sites that came up was thenatural.com and that's where I've been getting the hydration cubes from. It would have let me add to cart. Maybe you mean you're unable to buy them in Canada.
By the way, it would probably help if you could find a Naturopath. I started to try and detail the education level of a Naturopath, but was at a loss...so I googled it, and this is from naturopathic.org:
A licensed naturopathic physician (ND) attends a four-year, graduate-level naturopathic medical school and is educated in all of the same basic sciences as an MD, but also studies holistic and nontoxic approaches to therapy with a strong emphasis on disease prevention and optimizing wellness. In addition to a standard medical curriculum, the naturopathic physician also studies clinical nutrition, homeopathic medicine, botanical medicine, psychology, and counseling. A naturopathic physician takes rigorous professional board exams so that he or she may be licensed by a state or jurisdiction as a primary care general practice physician.
I'm no doctor...but here's what I think - I think that warning about blood clotting is unique to, or originates from, the fact that all estrogens that an MD prescribes are actually not bio-identical to a human. For example, Premarin comes from pregnant mares urine. Well, I'm sorry...Medical profession...but a woman's body isn't fully receptive to the hormones that are in a horse. Examined under a microscope, Premarin contains things not found normally in a woman's body. So of course some women are going to have a reaction to it.
But don't take my word for it. If you haven't already, it sounds like it would really help you to reference some of the Dr. John Lee resources. For example, back when I was researching Natural Progesterone, I bought every recording and video that's on his site, as well as several books. I listened to his recordings over and over and over, and it really helped give me an intro into a woman's hormones, and reproductive system. True, they were made a while back, but it would still help you immensely, imho.
Don't give up! Hang in there!
I understand that you're frustrated. I've been there. Well, in case you're open to finding a Naturopathic Physician, I did some googling, and found this:
It's the Canadian organization of Naturopathic Doctors. They have a search engine to look for an ND.
Kate, I just ordered some bezwecken dhea cubes on line from NaturalNutritionals.com. I guess these cubes are relatively new? anyway, they can easily be inserted, maybe best at night with a pantie liner. I just received mine and am going to first try quartering them, and go from there. I am 67 and have not had sex in almost 15 years b/c of lack of libido and mostly vaginal dryness. It just hurts and takes the fun out of sex. An update from you on what you have tried, if anything, since posting.
There is a Dr. Shultze product called "Ladies Formula" that is an herbal combination to help balance hormones for ladies of all ages. At 48, I find it very helpful. I make my own as it is much less expensive that way.
One of the herbs in it is Damiana. This herb is helpful for increasing circulation to the pelvic area. Taking one or two capsules of this once or twice a day might do the trick for you.
~Mama to Many~
So I tried ordering the DHEA cubes but they're not available so I ordered the estriole 1x hydration cubes instead.
Now, after doing more research, I feel somewhat hesitant, if not terrified, to take estriol given my history of stroke which was caused by a blood clot not a hemorrhage.
All estrogens, no matter how weak, seem to come with an increased risk of clotting in some individuals so I'm thinking it might be risky or just plain stupid to take estriol even if it is only vaginally.
I'm now desperate for a non-hormonal solution given my medical history. I've tried vaginal mosturizers like Replens and lubricants like Astroglide but they do not help at all! I know several people have mentioned using vitamin E suppositories...how helpful have these been in terms of improving or alleviating painful/impossible intercourse?
Any other suggestions? I've spent so many hours researching/worrying about this...any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you.
You're welcome, Lee. Yeah, I certainly invested a lot of time into this.
You know, we just happened to come across the 1x cubes first. In fact, I didn't even realize there was a 2x version until much later...and the 1x cubes worked by then, so she never even tried them.
Before my wife's Naturopath notified her of the hydration cubes being released, I was searching frantically for a replacement for the old E3 suppositories. And I found some very interesting clinical studies which had been done with DHEA suppositories. I was very excited for her to try them. Unfortunately, the on-line pharmacy from whom I bought them, was either lazy, or cheap, or dumb...and they used glycol as the base or delivery method for the DHEA vaginal suppositories. Well, that's what they put into antifreeze! Needless to say, my wife's body had a reaction. She developed a mild irritation - lots of itching. So I was disappointed, and we had to throw them away. (We even tried it twice! The second time, after she had taken a break for a while. But the same results - lots of itching.)
Before I could find a version of DHEA suppositories that used a more gentle base or delivery method, she got the email from her Naturopath, saying that Bezwecken had just released the hydration cubes.
I'm no doctor...but if you go the DHEA route, please listen to your body carefully, because you won't know for sure what it converts the DHEA into...be it Estrogen, Progesterone, etc. I mean, if like in the clinical trials, it works...then awesome! If it works, it works! (I still remember Dr. Christine Northrup saying that, "listen to your body.")
It would be wonderful for other women reading this, Lee, if you could report back here with your results.
All the best!
Thanks James...I can tell you've done a lot of research in this area so your "two cents worth" is valuable. If DHEA converts into what your body needs (and I don't know exactly what that is) then I guess it makes sense for me to start with the DHEA cubes. I'm wondering how you determined that the estiole 1x cubes were right for your wife as opposed to the estriole 2x or DHEA cubes. Did she have tests done or has it just been trial and error?
My wife uses the Bezwecken Hydration 1x estriol cubes as if they're suppositories. Have you tried that? You probably know this, but DHEA is a precursor to estriol, and progesterone, etc. So, you give your body DHEA and it converts it into whatever it thinks it needs. Not sure why you feel you need both. It may be too much. (I'm no doctor, but from my reading, just my 2 cents.)
Has anyone tried using the Bezwecken Hydration 1x estriol cubes in conjunction with vaginal insertion of their DHEA cubes?
I'm thinking of trying this as my vaginal atrophy is severe.....unable to have sex at all due to excruciating pain.
I had a major stroke at age 23 (cause undiagnosed but I was on birth control pills at the time) so I can't risk using a prescription estrogen based product. I'm just not sure if it's safe to take the estriol cubes as well as a quarter or half of a DHEA cube in tandem.
I'm deperate...any thoughts?
Karen, how long did it take for you to start noticing a difference after using the cubes? Secondly, do you take a break from it or use a half cube everyday?
I've noticed that many of the websites listed don't carry Bezwecken DHEA cubes anymore. I spoke with Linda at Healthy Supplements and they seem to be the only people who have the new formulation. Older branding means the product might be past it's prime. They seem to be the only people carrying the new one. I've got five packages on order and two sent to a friend as a birthday gift! Here's the website link. www.healthysupplmements.net
Just introduced to the wonderful world of VA. Ugh! I saw your post & was wondering if there was a food grade or brand to this oil one should use, and also what you use or suggest as an applicator? Thank you.
Vaginal Atrophy Remedies
I've been suffering for 7 yrs extreme pain then recently started using 1/2 tsp hydralonic acid gel OTC with OTC syringes, w/o the needle. Uh...was THIS all that was needed ???? I can have sex without pain for first time in years! Frozen coconut oil cubes for lube too I have tried estradiol -silk -Yes- vitamin e - dilators -everything and anything. HA and coconut oil. 1x per day till better than 2x a week. Enjoy life again!
Also, go to yourgoddessroom.com....they sell dhea (3.25 mg each) suppository "ovules". 100 ovules for $89 plus refrigerated shipping charge ($9.95).
Also, go to yourgoddessroom.com....they sell dhea (3.25 mg each) suppository "ovules". 100 ovules for $89 plus refrigerated shipping charge ($9.95).
Doctors will tell you that sore outer labia is from aging and we need to use steroid creams on those spots...BUT> It is caused by waning estrogen. I just learned using a plunger to inject compounded hormones much too high up in vagina is wasting the hormone. Receptors are lower, and use some outside on labia. I almost gave up and thought I would have to resort to steroid cream for outer sore spot. My doc said it is "pale" so do you wnat steroid? (NO! ) I happened to read Dr. Sara Gottfried Hormone Cure THAT NIGHT and used my estriol outside - not high up in vagina. Why didnt my doctor tell me this! ? I have used vaginal es-tri-ol (safer weakest estrogen) for atrphoy - (painful sex and internal itching) for 6 years. I went to doctor at menopause thinking I had yeast infection. That itch is atrophy! Shrinking drying tissues itch! Sex was like broken glass! That is classic need for estriol. Helps ALL bladder issues too. My doc once said cut way back on progesterone cream - you don't have much estrogen to balance anymore. I did - I got a fibroid at age 58! I will not ignore what I studied anymore. AMA doctors are slow to get educated about natural health. They get 30 mins or less of nutritional training in med school! READ ladies! Start with John R. Lee and then read Dr. Jeffrey Zara. Find Jesus...and your covered.
I just ordered Bezwecken dhea "cubes".....I am going to use them vaginally. Got them at professionalsupplementcenter.com. They have about 13 mg. of dhea in each, which should be a good amount. Good luck!
Please tell me where I can purchase DHEA suppositories.
I have been using the DHEA supositories and I can't believe the difference. I am a 60 year old woman and I was about to give up sex it hurt and I had lost the desire. Well I feel like this is the magic bullet. I actually feel like a woman again. I know that sounds corny but the DHEA I got from a compounding pharmacy they are little cubes and I cut them in half , they were prescribed, a full one was to much, I started to spot a trace and he told me to cut it in half. Perfect for me. I have moisture and plumpness and a sex drive. I can't believe it has taken me this long to find something natural that works. I don't find it messy and it didn't keep me up at night. Good Luck Ladies
Please may we have some follow up by the users who posted use of DHEA and Carlson's suppositories in 2014. I am considering it because Vagifem & a suppository Anucort (for the steroid) is not making much difference for vaginal wall thickness. I'm still thin and sensitive. Surely there is something to build up vaginal walls for the millions of us that are suffering the thin walls. We need our quality of life better than it is. Thank you so much.
Could you please list the compounding pharmacy that you found the DHEA suppositories in? I live near Ann Arbor, MI and I don't know how to use these or what mgs but since my hyst the docs have offered NO help. I have lost every bit of my desire & have NO energy at all. And, I am a young woman. Plz can offer info becuz the docs have thrown nothing but meds that do nothing.
I found a compounding pharmacy that makes DHEA 3.25mg suppositories in a solid oil type base.
Thank you, Kate
I was wondering if anyone here who is using DHEA cubes or the Estriol cubes, if you have been able to have a vaginal orgasm? I have no problem with a clitoral orgasm. I figured before I spend the money on the cubes, I would ask to see if anyone who had suffered from vaginal atrophy was able to achieve vaginal orgasm after treatment.
Ugh, what a journey this has been! Diagnosed with atrophic vaginitis after visiting the doctor for what I thought was a UTI. (UTI dip and culture were negative.) My symptoms were burning and very frequent urination with the feeling of having to void constantly. (That is an old and recurring symptom.) I am 61 and 10 years post-menopausal. She recommended topical estrogen cream, but I didn't want to use Premarin and its ilk. Found the Bezwecken Hydration Cubes from this website. Inserted about 1/2 cube vaginally for about a week but ended up with terrible itching. Thought I had a yeast infection, so self-treated for that with no success. Still itching!
Question: Is it possible I just used too much/too frequent estriol? I'm very hormone sensitive. The annoying thing was that for the first few days of using the cubes, I felt GREAT! I could tell they were working. Most of my dryness/irritation/urinary symptoms were gone. Does anyone have experience with this? How often do you use the cubes? (My "cubes" fall apart into little pellets, but the company says this is "normal.") I sure would like to solve this very old problem, and all input is welcome! Thanks.
The first Gyno (a man) I saw for vaginal atrophy prescribed lidocaine gel! Can you imagine? Then I went to a lady gyno and she explained what was going on and prescribed estrace cream, which was some help but did not work at all unless I used it all the time which causes concern of side effects, so I want something natural without side effects.
Linda, I'm not a doctor or anything, but from the reading I've done, it sounds like you're on the right track by interpreting your body's reaction as saying the dose is too high. The symptoms you mention all sound like what happens when one is getting more estrogen than needed.
When my wife first started using these, her Naturopath recommended she use one a night for 2 weeks, then slowly taper off until she was using only 1 a week. The reason, she said, was to get the tissues plumped up...requires a heavy dose, or a high concentration initially. Then, once the tissues are soft and supple, she said my wife could taper off to 1 a week.
Just before we learned of the Hydration Cubes, however, we stocked up on some "natural vitamin E suppositories." We got them on the web, no prescription required.
So once we met with the Naturopath, and she prescribed the Hydration Cubes, I was feel like, "wow, now what do we do with all these natural vitamin E suppositories?"
And she said it was just fine for my wife to continue to use 1 or so a week of the natural vitamin E suppositories. So that's what she's done. It's almost like there's 2 issues at hand. One is the state of the tissue (i.e., originally it had kind of shriveled up like a prune, and was dry and the opposite of soft and supple.) But also, there was the issue of lack of arousal lubrication.
Well, once those tissues came alive again, so to speak, and became soft and supple, she continued to use 1 vitamin E suppository a week as well as 1 hydration cube a week. Also, she would use one vitamin E suppository just before we had sex. It helped ensure proper lubrication.
Just thought I'd mention the concept of using them in conjunction with each other - the hydration cubes to get the tissues in the desired state (of being soft and pliable and supple) - and the Vitamin E suppositories to help ensure proper lubrication.
Not sure if this helps or not, but maybe that can help allow you to reduce the frequency that you use the hydration cubes, and thus lessen your body's reaction. Just an idea. It might be a good idea, if it's possible, to try and see a Naturopath.
Lastly, I noticed from doing searches, that there seems to be 2 different hydration cubes. One says it's 1 x 12, and the other says it's 2 x 12. May I ask, which one are you using? My wife is using the 1 x 12. (In case the 2 refers to the strength, thought I'd mention it.) To be super clear, when I search for hydration cubes, I see "Bezwecken, Hydration Cubes 1 x 12 Cubes, " and I also see "Hydration Cubes 2X 12 Cubes"
Wishing you all the best.
Better But With Side Effects
I've been using the Hydration Cubes for vaginal atrophy. I was inserting them twice a week. I had been having pain and stinging with intercourse and for quite some time had stopped wanting sex at all due to fear of pain. The stinging came when I urinated after intercourse. So, I was turned on to the Cubes. Since taking them, sexual intercourse has been painless, my pubic hair seems to be thicker and I feel younger in general, but the side effect I am suspicious of being caused by the Cubes is that I have been emotional like I was when I was menstruating. I haven't had my period in 8 years, and have only started using the Cubes for the past 6 months.
I've noticed a huge shift in my nervous energy, racing heart, and emotions. I cry more easily, get frustrated and angry more easily, over nothing! I wonder if it is the hormones. And if so, I'm now doing an experiment and cutting the Cubes in 1/2 , which is difficult as they crumble - not a big problem, I can mold the crumbs together and still insert them...I'll see if I have the same reaction or if I feel more balanced. I'm interested in trying the jojoba oil though. I'm sure we women don't talk enough about this reality of our bodies... and I have to wonder if like letting my hair go grey, it is not just another important aspect of aging to allow the body to simply age and not feel I have to be sexually active as I was when I was young. I've had great sex and connection with my lovers and husband in my life - maybe I don't need to push this and should just let my body be what it is. Older! 65. I'm still quite youthful, healthy and vital and I have a younger husband -- which is one reason I want to continue to have intercourse, both thinking it's good for me and good for him. He's completely loving and wouldn't want me to do anything I don't want to do. Still, I do feel a little confused about my choice. Anyway, that's my story!
Bezwecken did discontinue their E3 suppositories, but they replaced them eventually with their "Hydration Cubes." They're made to be applied topically, however, my wife has been using them just like suppositories, and they work great.
Bezwecken did discontinue their E3 suppositories, but they've since come out with a replacement called "hydration cubes." My wife has been using them with success.
Thank you so much for your post. I too was having painful intercourse and uti's. I took your suggestion and bought some dhea at my local pharmacy as well as suppositories. The dhea came only in a 25mg so I quarter it and put it in the suppository. It has worked really well. I can really notice if I miss a few days. It's a bit of a hassle but well worth it. In europe they sell this already made up; I wish we could buy it in the US. The only thing that concerns me is the extra "filler" ingredients in the dhea; I wonder if those could be harmful.
I'm so happy to find this site. I'm in menopause and just turned 50. I'm also a newlywed. On our wedding night I experienced painful sex for the first time ever! We abstained from sex for a month before our wedding. Nobody ever told me that could bring on vaginal atrophy! I never even heard of this term! I didn't realize I had vaginal dryness. I saw my Gyno and she told me this. I just started using bio identical Estradol cream. I'm on day 4 and I can tell it's helping. I'm hopeful it will reverse the atrophy and I can have sex with my new husband soon without any pain. It's crazy that this issue hasn't been talked about more! None of my friends had heard about what could happen as we age either.
Deanna: thank you for your informative guidance...and hope. I am 67 and have suffered from vaginal atrophy for over 5 years. Like you, I find my female Gynocologist absolutely useless. Question: Will the pharmacy in Ohio prescribe the DHEA vaginal suppositories without a doctor's order? I live in Alabama.
Bezwecken now makes a DHEA cube for vaginal atrophy. I haven't tried it but I do use the Bezwecken Hydration cubes with estriol and I insert them vaginally and have good results.
Im self diagnosing myself with vaginal atrophy... im breastfeeding and never had a vaginal birth (which I read increases your chances of it! ) and at a certain point in my cycle I have about a week of insane itching/burning. I find that using a panty liner helps and I do use coconut oil. I tried it once cause I didn't know what else I could use and it worked! Its not long term, but it definitely helps.
I found the DHEA B suppositories.. they changed the name and method of use, but it's the same. Here is the page.. if this doesn't come up its from The Natural online.
They have the Dhea cubes, lub cubes.. etc..
After much research, incredible stress and absolutely no help from traditional MD gynecologists, I found a compounding pharmacy that makes DHEA 3.25mg suppositories in a solid oil type base. I have used them for 1 year now and they have worked wonders for me! My only complaint is that they can be messy since the oil melts at body temperature and will leak out a little. But that is nothing compared to what I was going through before I used them.
My recent physical and blood tests, with a new doctor, showed great improvement in hormone levels and the pap smear came back showing not as much menopausal cellular changes. Some states require a prescription for the compounded suppositories and some do not. You will have to check in your area with a compounding pharmacy to see what the laws are. There are some compounding pharmacies on line that will ship out of state. There is one in Ohio that I use that is excellent. They ship the suppositories packed in ice packs and I haven't had any problems with that. But I live in the next state over so not an extreme distance away.
I finally found a local Osteophathic woman doctor that has been a true Godsend to me. She also prescribes a compounded progesterone cream based on my blood test. I have gone to MD gynecologists all my adult life will never go to one again. The extent of their knowledge for this condition seem to be to prescribe synthetic estrogen, and if you refuse that, recommend you get counseling and suggest an antidepressant medication. I am in no way a depressed person, I was stressed out from all the anxiety they helped cause me with their attitudes and lack of caring. Good luck and God Bless you all, I know how awful and stressful the symptoms of vaginal atrophy can be.
Hi, I am having an issue with vaginal atrophy-mainly on the external areas aggravated by urine.
My gyns prescribed estrace and estriol in a hypoallergenic base, but after spending $105 on the compounded estriol, the pharmacy still will not tell me what is in the inactive ingredients. I think its cetyl and stearyl alcohol, vaseline, and mineral oil. I have not felt comfortable with either option,
My gyns prescribe the estrace and estriol in a compounded hypoallergenic base, but it has cetyl and stearyl alcohol. Its also very expensive. $55 for a months supply that has to be refrigerated. Just never liked these options.
Just wondering what your symptoms are and if the gyn did any testing to determine it was va, like a swab test, or just by an exam?
Is sitting also a problem, or does the shower water irritate the area? Does urine also irritate the area near urethra or does it sting? Not like a uti, but the actual skin a few seconds later? Are most of the symptoms internal or external?
Glad the DHEA is working. Where do you buy the DHEA pills and would a gyn prescribe it?? Is it a suppository meant to be used that way, or is it an oral supplement?? Is it inserted in something? Have any of you tried estriol in olive oil drops from Womens International pharmacy?
Have any of you had any success with estriol in an olive oil base drops from womens International pharmacy? Is the DHEA little pill I am reading about made for vaginal use-where do you buy it and is it by prescription.
Have you all tried coconut oil unrefined, organic, I've heard from several ladies this has helped alot and it's not so expensive.
Is the vaginal atrophy affecting your life, like is sitting uncomfortable or the shower water irritate the skin also? The beach water stung like crazy.
For those of you who use DHEA vaginally-does it come with an applicator or do you put it in a Carlson vitamin e suppository?
Any of you used coconut oil or vitamin e oil? These are some alternatives I've heard from the health food store . Thanks, this va is new to me and trying to learn to cope with it and know what has worked.
I understand DHEA vaginal suppositories have yet to be approved by FDA (in third phase trial study). Those who have been using DHEA vaginal suppositories...can you tell me if you have experienced any side effects? Also, where do you purchase them if the product has not been approved?
Found new estriol product by bezwecken that isn't too expensive and really helps my vaginal atrophy. They're called "bezwecken hydration cubes". Directions say to rub cubes on skin but I insert them vaginally and have had great relief!! I also had good results with the former product e3 but this is no longer available. Good luck to all dealing with this issue!!!
To sheila: why would one need to go off vagifem when it is not absorbed throughout the body?
My feeling is that the risks of low estrogen in that area [incontinence, infection, etc] far outweight vagifem risks. Just my opinion.
DHEA is a natural steroid. I do not know much about its use.
There was a post recently on the issue of vaginal dryness/atrophy and Damiana was used. Damiana, according to my book, Nutritional Herbology, is not an estrogenic herb, as say, Black Cohosh and Dong Quai are. It is something I would look into.
Jojoba oil and Magnesium seem like some other possible things to try that are not hormonal in nature.
Hoping others will have more feedback for you about the possibility of DHEA.
~Mama to Many~
I need help. I too suffer horribly from Vaginal Atrophy. I'm 55 and through menopause. Approximately 4 years ago I had a large blood clot in my lung, which the doctors said was probably caused by use of the estrogen patch (can't remember which one I used, I think Premarin). So, I cannot use anything hormone related. I've tried using a moisturizer/lubricant injected 3-4 times a week, at night but it did not help and it was very messy. When I saw the commercial for Osphena I thought this might work but my doctor said because of the blood clots, she would not risk giving me the prescription. I don't know where to start. Is DHEA a hormone and could this be something I might be able to use? Please, any suggestions, I'm desperate.
Patricia, you said you started with half of a 5 mg and it was too strong. How was it affecting you? Just curious because I started using the 5 mg every other day (started last Thursday) and so far so good. I just insert it as is in the morning. It's just so tiny, can't imagine trying to cut it into 1/3 or even 1/2 of a tablet. I understand everyone is different, so that is why I'm wondering how the strength 2.5 mg was effecting you. Thank you!