Two of my kids had thrush before turning 4 months old. My grandmother told me to use a cotton ball or clean white cloth, wet with bit of babies urine from first morning diaper change and wipe on the white patches on tongue and mouth. Cleared in 1-2 weeks.
Get over the stigma of urine being gross and nasty. Terminally ill people can survive and become well by drinking nothing but their own urine. It is not a waste product, it is a filtration of your blood and has very strong anti-biotic anti-viral and anti-fungal properties.... Do the research, many medicines are backwards engineered from urine.
Both myself and my infant suffered horribly from thrush. I breastfeed and had it on my breasts, baby had it on genital area. It was miserably itchy. I began consuming 1 TBSP coconut oil daily, as well as applying it topically to myself and my baby. I also would use tea tree oil/alternate 2-3 x daily,it also helped considerably to avoid sugar, and breads. A few things happened, I noticed right away my asthma improved and was able to go off my meds! I lost 8 lbs the first month, and a total of 30 in 5 months consuming the coconut oil. It took about 3 weeks, but the thrush was totally gone, with no reoccurances!
Cure for Oral Thrush (Yeast)! Unsweetened Organic Cranberry juice.
The organic cranberry extract supplements did not work for yeast, even when I dissolved them in my mouth before swallowing. I just drank about 4 oz a day and it was gone in like 2 days. Like a Miracle!
If you indeed have oral thrush and at your wits end treating it, give this a shot. Buy a one pound wt. usa package of fresh whole raw cranberries. Wash/drain using plain water. Eat about 1/4 to 1 cup slowly letting it rest in your mouth a bit, 1-3 times a day. Store in fridge.They are so sour it would seem they have to be doing something good. Fresh cranberries are known for balancing blood sugar. I had this thought but have never tried it during active oral thrush. I do munch on fresh cranberries and my mouth feels so fresh and clean afterward. I'd be interested to see if they have a positive effect on active oral thrush. To clarify, I am not talking about cranberry juice. I am talking about Fresh Whole Cranberries. If you are a food whiner and have to have everything you eat taste like a bowl of sugar then you may as well pass on this. Note: I buy fresh USA cranberries on sale average 79 cents/ lb bag, wash/drain and put in slider bags in freezer to enjoy all year. Twenty pounds last me till they are in season again. Thank you.
Oral Thrush (Candida) My symptoms: sore throat (which was really white patches on the back of my throat that turned into red sores) and a thickly coated tongue. Thrush can be several colors: white, yellowish, brownish, orange.
After going to 2 MDs (worthless) and a specialist (even more worthless) I was left to figure out treatment on my own. Thank Heaven for Earth Clinic.
Here's what worked for me:
1. NO sugar. The problem exists in the gut, so treating the mouth alone will not work. Candida thrives on sugar.
2. Probiotic: use a good quality REFRIGERATED probiotic. Buy one that is enteric coated (sealed) so it opens in the lower intestine where it will do the most good.
3. Drink LOTS of filtered water.
4. Treat the tongue. I alternated hourly the following: a mixture of baking soda and sea salt on the tongue and rub it in, swish then spit, swishing with vegetable glycerin (spit out), swishing with whole leaf aloe juice (then drinking it as directed), oil pulling with organic coconut oil (swallow or spit), dentist gave me an Rx for Nystatin (not sure how effective this would be alone). I also found that having an apple before bedtime soothed both my throat and stomach. Chew a piece of apple then let the bits rest on your tongue before swallowing.
5. Plain, organic, probiotic yogurt. This is my breakfast. I also left some on my tongue for several minutes before swallowing.
6. Yeast supplements. Contacted my herbalist for a good quality yeast supplement.
7. Do not use a toothbrush on your tongue. It is too harsh. I bought a tongue scraper that has a wide, soft brush that works great. Use the tongue scraper a few times a day and especially after brushing your teeth at night. I disinfect both brushes by tossing them in a jar of alcohol.
8. Get plenty of rest. Infections deplete your body.
9. I have GERD which I think contributed to the thrush. DO NOT USE OTC antacids!! They make your system too alkaline. Ask your naturopath/herbalist about gentiana/scutellaria capsules to aid digestion. Use as directed at meal times and before bed.
10. Be patient. I've been dealing with this for nearly two months and am finally seeing change. But if the infection persists make sure that there are no underlying causes such as diabetes or auto immune issues.
(I have also ordered gentian violet tincture. There are numerous articles on using this product as a swab directly on the tongue in babies. I will update after use)
I started taking raw sauerkraut about a week ago and the thrush I've been battling for years is gone now. I read some research about how raw, fermented foods like Sauerkraut and Kimchi cure yeast, so I figured I'd give it a shot. I took only about a teaspoon for the first 2 days, then I moved up to 1 tablespoon, and now I'm taking 2 tablespoons. Also, I've been having chronic sinus problems and the sauerkraut seems to be clearing that up as well. I guess it really was a yeast issue all along. Make sure you buy RAW sauerkraut. The raw kind helps fight yeast and the kind that's not raw can actually add to it. Good luck out there! There are cures if you really investigate!
Hi Barbara, Check out Bill's protocols for candida. It works. Hit the problem from the inside.... The thrush is usually just a symptom, good luck. Ben
EC: Here's the link to Bill's Protocol: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/candida-diet-protocol.html
Tea Tree Oil
Tea tree oil was a godsend for me in treating a bad case of oral thrush I had after taking antibiotics for strep throat. My thrush was so bad that I had a sore throat for weeks, large bumps at the back of my tongue (as well as a thick white coating) and I had even begun to have chest pain and difficulty swallowing (I can only think that the thrush must have traveled down my esophagus, as I read this can happen).
The doctor prescribed liquid Nystatin and after 10 days it had helped with the chest pain and difficulty swallowing (the instructions were to swish and then swallow the Nystatin liquid) but I still had a sore throat that was not going away. My mum came across the idea of gargling with tea tree oil so I tried 5 drops tea tree in about a 1/4 cup of water, gargled a few minutes and swished around my mouth, then spit and did not rinse my mouth. Within hours my sore throat was so much better and within a couple days of doing the gargle and swishing in my mouth twice a day, all traces of the thrush were gone! I also had to cut out all sugar while doing this as each time I ate sugar it seemed to make the symptoms start to return. I hope this will help anyone suffering as I was.
Grapefruit Seed Extract
For over a month I had a white coating on tongue diagnosed as thrush. Was given 2 doses of nystatin. Didn't work. Was told to get Grapefruit seed extract as acts as antifungal. Took internally for one week. The next week I emptied the capsules and put it directly on my tongue. After 3 days the white coating was definately better. Been 6 days now & almost completely gone. Will continue for another week to take internally & put on tongue to make sure gone.. Notice I feel better now also. Not as tired & my bowel constipation has cleared up. I think this is a wonderful cure & it works!!!
Have you tried Apple Cider Vinegar? When my last child was born, he had thrush in his mouth. I was nursing him at the time and got a cracked nipple. The Dr. told me I had to quit nursing as the baby and I would just pass the condition back and forth. An old woman told me that was nonsense and to dilute apple cider vinegar with a little water and put it on a q-tip and rub it around in the baby's mouth and to rub soome on my nipple as well. She told me it would be gone in a couple of days at the most. I tried it and it worked. I have since passed this information on many times and it always seems to work. So, it's a cheap and easy thing for you to try if you haven't tried it already.
Another quick suggestion: I have been using grapefruit seed extract diluted in olive oil on my nipple thrush. It seems to be working pretty well for the surface thrush and what my little guy has in his mouth. I think my yeast issue may be more systemic so I'm going to try some of the internal remedies, but baby definitely seems more comfortable! I am absolutely going to try the oil-pulling thing... I am excited to see if it works!
Baking soda is excellent. I have what may be thrush and I'm concerned because I've read that healthy adults normally do not get thrush. As far as mold going through your system. I've read that only Borax tablets (ingestible) can rid the body of mold. Also I would do an anti-parasitic and toxic cleanse for a month. I do the colonix (Dr Natura) cleanse every year on my birthday, sometimes twice a year to maintain my health. You may want to do 3 months.
This is in response to the negative feedback for gentian violet and thrush. Look up the website in Canada and look up any possible name for gentian violet on wikipedia and you will find the person who left that feedback is misinformed. Gentian violet, or any of the other names it goes by, are not listed on the website the user mentions.
I used gentian violet--one time--for my baby's thrush. Painted my nipples and she sucked. Within a day, the white spots in my infant's mouth were gone and she was back to eating normally.
The reason the yogurt works is because it would be a type of probiotic for the baby. I have been studying natural medicine for approx 12 years now and have treated thrush successfully in babies and diabetic adults. To treat thrush which is a fungal infection called Candidiasis (Yeast for short), I give a strong probiotic and Pau D'Arco. This treatment will cure any yeast infection whether of the mouth or elsewhere. The physiology behind this is simple, the natural flora of the body is depleted and it can't keep the "bad bacteria" at bay so it begins to grow out of control and spread to other parts of the body creating what we see as Thrush or Yeast infections.
Pau D'Arco has a miraculous ability to choose not to hurt the "good" natural flora in the body but to help it grow and kill the "bad" bacteria in the body. The probiotic builds the "good" bacteria of the body up to sufficient numbers to keep the "bad bacteria from affecting us. The "bad" bacteria is always in our body but we have to be stronger and outnumber it. Once the symptoms of the candidiasis goes away then you can stop taking the Pau D'Arco and just take the probiotic for maintenance. Both come in forms that can be given to babies and neither are harmful in any way to the body from infant to adult. Hope this helps and I probably give more information than needed, all my friends and family tell me I do anyway. :)
Oil Pulling with Coconut Oil
Thank you for your post. I've been going thru same thing for 5 months I'm like help, my gums red or raw, thanks so much docs think it's my brushing or something else I had surgery I had it in my esophagus was in diflucan 21 days it helped the burning in my esophagus but my mouth never stopped, hope this helps.
Oil Pulling with Coconut Oil
Wow, to the user named "Finally Found Relief", you are my hero. You answered all my big questions that no one else was specific about online, like how often it is helpful to oil pull in a day, and exactly how often to change your toothbrush.
Your experience with your doctor and naturopath sound exactly like my experiences throughout my thrush. Most of them won't even believe I have thrush. I live in Canada, and doctors here are always unwilling to help. Worst of all is that after merely *asking* them about something I've read, they tell me never to read about health online, and then right away they dismiss my problem without trying to understand or help solve it.
You're honestly my hero right now. I have hope. Thank you for sharing.
OK, my earlier post won't be up until tomorrow and I forgot to check the time when I drank some Dr. Pepper. It seems like about an hour and I've only drank half BUT, the post nasal drip is back already.
Of course, the little throat clearing coughs deposit the mucous right up onto the back of the tongue, which I just realized, and the constant swallowing seems to be a response to a sort of migration or "creeping" on up onto the tongue...very interesting.
Also, I'm not much of a soda pop drinker but the very first swallow made me belch, about a "one-two" count after, followed by the hiccups, which is interesting. Because the only cure I've ever known for hiccups that worked for me every time was Rolaids, which suggests acid, which - for me anyway - meant dehydration. And I suppose that's true, as I've been drinking a lot of coffee. I rehydrated, somewhat, prior to the extractions but, now that I think about it, I'm probably pretty dehydrated. Here we are, into Spring, and it first occurred to me back last Fall and then completely left my mind, as I've been busy. So I may even be QUITE dehydrated, which raised a whole other line of questions.
Nevertheless, the migration is making some pretty fast progress so, before my tongue swells (which was NO fun), I'm going to go do the diatomaceous earth thing and see what happens.
Well, I got my stripe! The two big clear spots are connected!
One side/edge of my tongue looks good, the other looks better, but still pretty gunky. There are small patches of clear all over and the best part is that the yucky taste of it is gone!
My ear feels so..."light". Light and cool and open and just "breezy". I'm pretty sure my eardrum is "punctured" or "ruptured" or whatever the term is for a spontaneous sort of opening. It feels as if I could breath through that ear. I've never felt anything like it.
Still some exaggerated buzzing at the 8:00 position, but I think the buzzing I hear with my head in other positions, as I roll it around, is all coming from there. That second, higher-pitched buzzing is gone.
A little bit of a runny nose and some stuff coming loose from way, WAY back on my tongue is making me cough a little bit.
Also, I hadn't realized that my tongue had been swollen this whole time, because it isn't now and that's different. It wasn't swollen bad, like when this all first started, the night of the extractions which was a week ago, but it was certainly a little bit swollen because it isn't now and that's different than when I started with the DE.
It's 21:48 and I'm knackered. I'm going to mix up some more DE paste, put a bunch in my mouth, spread it all over and go to bed.
If I can remember, I'm going to do a spit test in the morning and see how that looks. So, that's it for tonight, we'll see what's what in the morning.
It's morning and I just noticed that these posts are out of order, so the third in the replies is actually the second so the strip in the second is explained in the third.
Some more clearing happened overnight and the big bumps on the back of my tongue are smaller. I can't actually see them, but I can feel them.
No swelling. The gunk didn't thicken and is still much less thick, even in the spots I still had when I started.
Apparently, yeast doesn't stick together in chains, but rather in clumps, or colonies which may also explain how the DE works, as even if it can't penetrate the shell, it would certainly cut up whatever holds them together and I'm wondering if that "Sticking together" is essential. In other words, I'm wondering if a colony is an entity in and of itself. With all parts connected to one another and exchanges taking place between them through whatever it is that cements them together. I'm going to call it grout.
Anyway, I'm going to continue with the DE (adding ingestion) but no clay and see if I can get some sort of "die off" symptoms.
I'm thinking that if I don't experience any sort of "die off", that might be a sign that they're merely retreating to regroup. I'm also assuming that what is being cleared off the tongue is just coming loose and being swallowed with saliva. Hence, the addition of ingesting it.
The amount on the tongue may just not be enough to create symptoms.
I'm wondering about it's natural place in the gut - assuming this IS the natural yeast of the gut, which it may very well NOT be because DE is awesome for gut-type problems. So, if it DOES kill them, one shouldn't feel so much better.
What if Candida yeast takes over the gut, eliminating natural, less aggressive yeasts.
The reason I say that, is because IF it is natural, it has a straight shot at the gut. From the mouth, from the sinuses etc. If it's a part of the guts natural flora, why doesn't it simply go there?
I'm not buying the "overgrowth" theory. I suspect Candida yeast is a parasite that displaces naturally occurring species. For one thing, it's huge, cell-wise. About the same size and variation in size AS diatomaceous earth particles. Which is pretty big, biologically speaking. Plus, if it's naturally occurring, how does one person infect another with "overgrowth"? Yeast infections in women are easily ping-ponged back and forth between them and their mates. So, no. I'm not buying that. DE is excellent for constipation and cleaning the walls of the intestines and could easily eliminate something the size of Candida yeast, even IF it doesn't cut up its shell. Plus, yeast is everywhere. Everyone is exposed to it. So why doesn't everyone "catch" this "overgrowth"? Junk food and sweet tea aren't the only sources of "sugar", as anyone on the candida diet can attest. Yeast, just like your body, is a chemical factory. If it needs sugar, with the help of its little enzymes, it could probably manufacture it out of thin air.
Still have some infection in the extractions site, but, DUH! Why not kill two birds with one stone, so to speak.
SO I have packed around all of my gums with DE and clay paste. Thicker than the other, otherwise it would just run off the gums, so, we'll see what happens.
Sort of got the thrush coming back, I think. It seems thicker because it was so smooth yesterday morning, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it didn't abate any, so we'll see what the addition of clay does.
Took a look-see at the "cement" it uses to attach itself to stuff but haven't had time to really check it out, except to discover that it is direction connecting the individual cells and carries RNA and DNA.
OK, 15 minutes with a mouth full of DE and clay. It appears it is raising up - as if to peel off - but I didn't check for that before I started, so that might be why it seemed thicker.
Anyway, another mouthful and instead of just letting it sit on there, I'm sort of "oil pulling" it around my mouth. I'd actually heard that the "oil pulling" action also works with plain water but, I don't know. I can actually sort of feel a couple of "teeth", which is crazy since they're all gone...interesting. Sort of like an open "cavity" type toothache. Hmm.
Yep, it's definitely starting to peel off and it's tough, too. I thought it was little pieces of clay that didn't get mixed in and expected it to squish and come apart but it was more like tiny pieces of skin. Green skin, LOL, I'd had a lime popsicle this afternoon while the dogs took care of their business. The weather is just beautiful.
I'm going to give it a few minutes rest. That was another 15 minutes.
Now I'm wondering about that thickening, as I didn't check to see if it was coming loose. It just looked thicker. I'm pretty sure it was thicker because it was so smooth, yesterday, when I didn't do anything except deal with the infection, so I'm wondering if the turmeric and cayenne might have started the loosening up of it.
Shoot. Not a very controlled experiment but the pulling action is definitely loosening it up so I'm going to give it a few more rounds and cut back on the time a little bit, like 5 or 10 minutes, one after another. (20:46)
So that's it. It's nearly gone. Whether it was the DE, the clay, the turmeric, the cayenne or the lime popsicle, I have no idea.
Black Seed Oil
Take 1-3 teaspoons of Black Seed Oil for a few days and your thrush will be gone and you'll have a nice pink tongue!
I would like to use the coconut oil for oral thrush, how many times per day do I use it and for how long ?
While I was nursing my baby we both got thrush. It was very painful to nurse. I started just pumping and bottle feeding. A friend of mine said thrush is a fungus and to try extra virgin coconut oil. I put it on as a topical on my affected area. And after a few minutes I would nurse. Not only did the oil add more relief than the lanolin during the actual nursing, but within days the thrush was gone. I continued to use it for my mosturizer and we never had thrush again.
Since it helped there I suggested my husband use it on his toe nails. He had 2 that I was guessing were infected with fungus. They grew so thick I would file the tops of them so they looked less gross. It took awhile because the nails had to grow out. One was completely healed and one still looks a little funky but is half the size. I think he stopped using it too early on that toe (it was worse than the other to start with).
I have also used it on diaper rashes as sometimes those are caused by fungus. It had helped several times on those.
I know it's been over a decade, but I just saw this and will say, if others read, that soaking toes with fungus in an Apple Cider Vinegar water solution will heal the fungus of the toes. You may have already found this. However, the source needs treating, so this would require a full antifungal protocol being used for the body. Grateful to also learn of using coconut oil for thrush and will try to start doing this as I have read that my angular cheilitis can turn to thrush.
Grapefruit Seed Extract
We are taking GSE to improve immune system. It sure clears up constipation quick. I once read a man comment if he could take one thing onto a deserted island, what would it be. He said Grapefruit Seed Extract. It kills bacteria, fungus, and viral and is a great disinfectant.
I've just been reminded of a remedy for vaginal thrush that my doctor recommended many years ago (he was into alternative remedies). It worked then and it works now as I can attest, having had another bout of thrush recently. The remedy is plain LIVE yogurt. Dip a tampon into the yogurt and insert into the vagina. For outside irritation place yogurt on a pad. It is so cooling and the relief is tremendous. It really does work especially when you are feeling raw and bleeding.
Just out of curiosity... I am suffering from thrush and the only thing I can trace it back to is the over-usage of my ProAir/albuterol inhaler (which supposedly is not a steroid???). However, I am a healthy adult, but after doing some research, scared the crud out of myself because all the websites are talking about thrush being associated with HIV, cancer, diabetes, etc... A bunch of very scary stuff. I cannot get rid of the thrush, which is making it all the more scary. I need help. Should I consume the coconut oil as oil, or are the pills more effective? Does anyone have any "surefire" methods to get rid of this crap in my mouth?
Judy;you were very fortunate to have cured your little son of thrush. But as an older adult such as my self this thrush was not noticed as a young child therefore was never treated, again it has progressed where it has deeply affected my whole system. Generally if the whole body(system)is not not treated it does great damage to the whole being it spreads like fire/feels like fire. While growing up I was on the wrong diet where thrush (which is the tip of the iceberg)is generally mold or fungus and got much worse
It causes many, many diseases(too many to mention).......
I agree that doctors are quacks, but the government controls these sad people including vets. As does all clergymen, where animals/people are being used as needless and very painful experiments and many years later have yet to prove any thing of value. All I can say is: what can we expect from Corrupt America?Thankfully I am not one of the quacks but just a victim of circumstances. Thank you so much for your input it has helped me along the journey of healing through natural causes.
good luck & god bless
If baby is nursing, it's important that mom treat herself and clean breasts before and after.
Gentian Violet is AMAZING! When my son was 2 months old he came down with thrush due to some antibiotics I was taking for complications of my C-section. Our lactation consultant said to use GENTIAN VIOLET 3 times a day and in about 2-3 days the baby's Thrush should be gone. It worked. just don't plan on going out for about a week. It stains the skin for several days. Your baby's face will be purple everywhere depending on how messy of an eater they are and the size of your nipples.
I would think a 'serving' is a cup of water. I also would like to say I love earthclinic. com what a great resource.
For thrush or a white coating on the tongue:
Go to a Natural Food store and buy ground Fennel seed (Much cheaper than a grocery store).
My daughter use to get thrush all the time as a baby; a Dr. recommended this:
*Use 1 tbs of ground fennel in a coffee maker.
*Use one cup of water.
*Put it in a bottle warm or cold doesn't matter.
Should clear the babies tongue in a couple of days. I used this the entire time my daughter was drinking formula.
Milk of Magnesia
Hi, i have a remedy for vaginal thrush and am not sure if it's included coz it seems like you're talking about mouth thrush only. I had vaginal thrush about 8 years ago. I used plain yogurt for cleaning- make sure you wash off real good. I also started eating a lot of yogurt and its been gone for the past 8 years.
When my brother was a baby he had thrush of the mouth so bad he could barely suck on a bottle.No matter what the doctor did it would not go away, A elderly lady at our church told my mother to use plain yogurt and dilute it with water until you are able to get it out of the nipple. About a week later it was gone.Yes yougurt does work really well!!!
You can treat thrush with natural yoghurt ... I have loads thrush when I was actually pregnant a real pain! I used natural yoghurt, which I bought Sainsburys and helps ... I would say reduce the sex until it is investigated otherwise ur partner gets it and just keep pests and vice versa!
I suffered with thrush for 9 mos. Tried Nystatin and several other RX meds. Tried all of the popular probiotics and even tried the expensive Three-Lac. Three-Lac did offer some relief but could not completely get rid of the problem. One week of extra Virgin coconut oil from GNC, Emerald labs did the trick. I had several days of pure hell from upset stomach, loose bowels stomach pain and so on. This eventually subsided and the benefits have been nothing short of miraculous. I wish I had known of this product earlier, it would have saved me a ton of misery and saved me a boat load of cash.
Thank you for sharing your remedy! I'm trying to cure my breast and infant's thrush!
Vitamin B6 has cured Thrush in people I have known.
Vitamin E stabilized my low BP.
Comfrey compresses healed not only the deep bruising (in 3 days), resulting from a stubbed, broken toe but also, bone -- after all, the common name for comfrey is "knit bone". Raspberry tea healed my indigestion after I was forced to eat "junk food" for 3 days whilst staying with my husband's cousin.
Cayenne pepper is awesome! My husband used it to reduce his weight. 1 tspn cayenne pepper in a 1/2 cup of hot water, 3 times a day. It speeds up the metabolism.
I've been studying up and racking my brain since I experienced a raving case of oral thrush brought on by antibiotics and am wondering if sinuses is the connection.
I've just read Sam (Texas) post on the sinus infections page regarding baby shampoo and why it might help.
I don't actually have a sinus infection but got to wondering if candida problems are so tough to conquer, once and for all, because the hide in the sinuses. So I came to the sinus infection page to see if they shared some remedies, saw "baby shampoo" and got curious.
I've never payed enough attention to either of the two conditions to notice a correlation, as they are so rare for me, BUT I would say that I've had them both about the same number of times.
I never thought of them together, so I can't say for sure that they happened simultaneously, but on the same day my tongue swelled up and got yucky, I also had a sudden bout of post nasal drip and the only reason I remember that is because it came on, suddenly, in the waiting room at the dentist office where I was about to have all of my teeth extracted and I was concerned about gagging or coughing in the middle of all of that business.
Anyway, this is the worst case of thrush I've ever had, which is why I've been up for two days straight trying to figure out how to prevent it from ever happening again.
This was the first time in many years that I've taken antibiotics so I'm guessing that, if it was hiding in the sinuses and the antibiotics released it, then it must have been confined there by friendly flora, of which I would have had plenty, up until the antibiotics the dentist gave me and which I shouldn't have taken, because my teeth were so bad that I'd been having pretty regular tooth infections and successfully treating them naturally which kills the bad guys and leaves the good guys alone. So I've had a pretty clean mouth and throat for several years - and zero instances of sinus or yeast problems for about the same amount of time. Until now. Or, this past week, anyway. It's about knocked down, at this point, but boy! I sure don't want THAT bad of thrush again.
Actually, it might not have been that bad, I don't know. Maybe it's just been so long since I've had it that it seems exaggerated.
Anyway, I'm just wondering if those little yeast guys hide out in the sinuses while candida's in remission.
Made a thin paste, took a scant ice tea spoon of it in my mouth and squished it around. Instant liquification of the rapidly thickening mucous and soon had enough mouth water to gargle a little bit.
Altogether, squished it all around for about 20 seconds, gargled, spit, rinsed. Still covered with what I'm assuming was the DE, so sort of washed my tongue off with my hand.
The progression up my tongue stopped, almost instantly. I used body temperature water, so as not to shock the little buggers back into slamming the doors and going back into hibernation with either hot or cold water. So, I'm confident I caught them off guard.
I used a paper towel to wipe off my tongue as the DE was all down between the buds and I couldn't see. Then I thought that since they're down in there so good, why not paint on some more and leave it. That way it can continue cutting up the exoskeleton as I swallow and talk and generally squish it around, naturally.
Looked again, and most of the DE was gone and I could see the clear patches, larger now. Less than 5 minutes in.
Rinsed and tried to get more of the thrush gunk off with a toothbrush and paper towel and it's definitely loosening up.
Also, a little sensation in one of the extraction sites, so there must be some candida buggers in there.
I spread some onto my gums, all the way around and all over the extraction sites, just in case.
Mouth is a little dry, but not nearly as bad as with the Milk of Magnesia. That was awful.
Seems to be an effect further up the sinus tract, as the mucous of the post nasal drip is just about gone. (19:25)
I gotta wonder where that DE went. One minute it was all over my tongue and wouldn't wash off and the next it was just gone. And it's gone again.
Have a little pressure above the eyes, right on my eyebrows. Like the beginnings of a sinus headache, only higher. And a little tingle? tickle? in my ears. AND a little bit of noise - not ringing exactly...more like a high-pitched...buzzing? Buzz/squeal/ringing? Not unpleasant, just sort of like when you hear yourself talk when your ears are plugged up, but a much higher pitch. And the pitch is going down/slowing. Sort of like night-time, outdoors, with crickets and things chirping. Lots and lots and LOTS of crickets. It's like waves - no longer as high-pitched, but with sort of waves of volume and intensity.
Pressure in the head is gone. DE gone again, clear spots showing, reapplied. (20:00)
I had a big clear patch in the front center and a big clear patch in the back center and they appear to be coming together to make a big clear stripe. Right down the center.
I did NOT add any clay to the paste so we'll see if we experience any die-off.
I thought it was dying down, but the buzzing and sensations seem to be moving around. I thought maybe I was catching some sound in the room but turning in my chair doesn't effect it. Rolling my head around, like you do to loosen tension, there is a spot on the left that intensifies the buzzing a LOT. Right at about the 7 o'clock position, if chin to chest were 12 o'clock. Constant low hum, all the way around, except that small spot. From about the 7 to 8 o'clock position. Always the same, no matter which way I'm facing. And a small, almost silent area at about 3 o'clock.
Seems to be two separate sources at that 7 o'clock position. One right on the spot (left side of the back of the neck) and another, little higher pitch, over the whole that whole, 7 - 8 o'clock range.
Very interesting. But not really of use...except now I have a corresponding, "sharp" pain in my right ear. Not really painful, but sharp. Like a pin prick, down inside my ear and now a little bit of fluid. Actually, I believe my right ear is plugged up a little. I hadn't even noticed. Makes sense, if some of the little buggers had attached themselves to hibernation.
The buzzing has moved to the 8 o'clock position.
My ear feels open - like air passing through it. It feels cool, due to just a tiny bit of fluid and the air hitting it.
Interesting note - I did not know that the ear canal was connected to the throat. I suspect that "pin prick" pain was my ear drum. Perhaps some yeast was hibernating in my "Eustachian tube".
Things are slowing down, so I'll end this, for now. (20:38)
Actually, it's the third and fourth "replies" that are reversed, in terms of "order". Anyway...
It occurs to me that doing this requires my attention - I.e. working and eating and drinking ice water and coffee etc., defeats the purpose of not "shocking" the little guys into slamming the door and cementing themselves into place to wait out "the storm". So I will resume this later in the day when I can give it the proper attention, at which time I'm going to add some clay to my DE paste and see what happens. I could probably clear up my mouth with just the DE, but then I wouldn't have anything to experiment on, so...not tending to it during the day should arrest any further improvement and may even increase it a bit so I can start fresh, with a little clay added.
The point with adding the clay will be to see if there is anything it can get a hold on.
I actually had two stripes and another small patch cleared when I woke up approx 7 hours ago. Now, it appears infected areas to the sides of the stripe down the middle are moving toward one another, as if to turn the single line of the stripe into two. However, the clear spot on the side appears a little larger - but that might be my imagination. If I remember, I will map and measure the clear areas before I begin again, this evening. Then I can scan it and put it online somewhere. Or...perhaps I'll take some photos...THAT should be pretty!
I have a little bit of infection at an extraction site so I'm going to have to fix that, which might finish off the yeast...I don't know.
Anyway, didn't notice any buzzing in in my head today. My ear still feels "breezy" and there hasn't been any more fluid.
Tongue feels good and is smoother. The discoloration is the same as it was earlier. I even some ice cream, but it doesn't seem to be having much effect.
I'm going to go soak a gauze pad in some turmeric and cayenne solution and stick it between my cheek and gum at the extraction site.
DON'T USE WITH DENTURES
Had some TURMERIC and CAYENNE powder left over after a thrush experiment so I put about 1/4 teaspoon in a half cup of hot water with a couple of dashes of sea salt and 2 drops of peppermint oil, shook it up, and rinsed my mouth out. It was AWESOME!
The turmeric and cayenne was approximately 2 tsp of turmeric and the contents of a cayenne capsule which would be, what? I guess about 1/4 tsp or so. Didn't measure the salt - just shook a little in there and voila! Mouthwash!
DON'T TRY IT WITH DENTURES - I have no idea what it would do to dentures. Turmeric is excellent for a periodic brushing of your teeth and will even whiten them but dentures are some kind of plastic resin and turmeric is an excellent dye and some plastics WILL take dye so I wouldn't even try it. In fact, I'd move my dentures far, far away, like to a whole other room! LOL
I've been looking at the yeast/candida problem and am considering several points.
1) The yeast and it's "stickiness" - i.e. the way it plants itself to ride out attacks.
2) The candida/sinus connection.
3) The post nasal drip that preceded a recent bout with thrush.
4) AND - last but not least, something I'd totally forgotten - dehydration and its connection to sinus problems which, in my case, during an extended and chronic state of dehydration, manifested in constant post nasal drip.
I'd suffered post nasal drip for years - all through which I was chronically dehydrated (as are most people) and when I re-hydrated (which took over two years) several things happened, one of which was that the post nasal drip cleared up very early.
I am currently dehydrated, again. Not as bad as or as long as I was before, but definitely. I have been busy and not been paying attention and not drinking enough water to make up for the amounts of coffee I've been comsuming. I've been drinking far more water than I was with the previous instance in which the amount of plain water I drank was practically zero, but not enough. Not even close.
So, sinus (mucous membrane) "activity", during dehydration, is quite specific. It provides a protective layer over the "open door" of the membranes when they're dry and not able to flush themselves, naturally and THAT provides a perfect home and breeding ground for all kinds of things - including YEAST.
Histamine (as in allergies) is the body's primary defense against dehydration, as it directs the water traffic - rationing here and sending extra rations there.
Also, while antibiotics kill good AND bad bacteria, so do anti-histamines interfere with the rationing of water which is almost certainly creating conditions in which it can easily attach itself to sticky parts that aren't getting the water they need and avoid being flushed out.
The point is that, prior to this bout of thrush, my "go-to remedy" for post nasal drip was hydration - and it worked, every single time.
With this thrush (which is back but not as bad), I was focused elsewhere but it stands to reason that properly hydrated mucous membranes would not allow the yeast to plant itself, as they are constantly being flushed, when they are properly hydrated. Which is their job - to protect the body from contaminants by constantly moving the goal posts (constantly flushing and irrigating themselves when properly hydrated) when it comes to the bad guys taking up residence.
And, this would explain the tremendous effects and efficacy of rehydration in a chronically dehydrated individual.
It is possible that anti-histamines not only interrupt the body's defense against dehydration, but also prevents recolonization of GOOD flora which, given the nature of a properly hydrated body, almost CERTAINLY requires proper hydration to survive and maintain its own population which would account for the ease with which the BAD guys are able to "take over".
In other words, it is entirely possible that the actual NEED for antibiotics is created BY dehydration creating a hostile environment for GOOD flora and a thriving environment for BAD flora - which would be accelerated and enhanced by the use of anti-histamines which disable the "water cop" histamine that is trying to protect the body from the perils associated with chronic dehydration.
If there is no "traffic cop" for water in a dehydrated environment, well, you can imagine the HOST of problems that could manifest in such a body because its #1 priority would be the brain which would put strain on the heart that is dealing with low blood volume and then, of course, there would be the other vital organs which would certainly suffer should the traffic manager that is trying to keep them going by redirecting water from less vital areas be incapacitated with anti-histamines.
Anyway, just some thoughts...
I forgot to mention why I posted from the "ice cream/sinus infection" page -
I suspect that "stubborn" sinus infections and sinus problems that are aggravated by things like ice cream are fungal infections - I.e. yeast - rather than bacterial. Which is what got me thinking along these lines.
Anyway, I suspect that re-hydration COULD eliminate yeast. Not KILL it, but eliminate it, no fuss, no "die off". Just a properly irrigated and self-flushing organism. Which could explain why re-hydration does such wonders for things like "chronic fatigue".
Anyway, I wanted to recommend the Dr. Batman's books on "the water cure". Not for any illness in particular, but for general health. I think everyone should read "The Body's Many Cries for Water" and have that information in their head, always. Regardless of the symptoms or problems, hydration should be the #1 priority. The easiest way is to calculate the amount of water (half your weight in ounces, per day) and put it in a gallon container, every morning AND add to it, ounce for ounce, more water equivalent to every cup of coffee, soda pop etc. that you drink throughout the day. And, of course, get some proper sea salt.
HI U CINDY, , , , , , , , , you have a good post here and I agree, most folks don't drink near nuff water, including myself.
My Rife Machine instructions say you have to drink lots of water to detox pathogens that the machine kills. That goes for just normal natural every day detoxing also.
What lots of folks don't appreciate is that the 12 hours they don't eat at night is really a short fast and that is when your body gets rid of its garbage. Also, that's the reason they tell you not to pH test your first urine. Do the second tinkle. Got a little off message, but hydrating is vital to good health and detoxing as you say.
I once discussed this with my family MD and he was not interested. His reply was , "I can't even get them to take their prescriptions". Wow, maybe that was good. I no longer see this MD, I see his nurse practitioner instead, and feel a lot more comfortable.
Cindy, using this post to tell all that I am back in the Ozone business as I found a firm to fill my medical oxygen tank. Glory.
Hiya Robert Henry!
I agree about sleep. I don't sleep a lot, but sometimes when I get up after 4 or 5 hours, and feel "yucky", I always assume the body isn't done doing whatever it was doing and just needed an emptying of the bladder to continue.
When that happens, I go back to bed, it finishes whatever it's doing, I get up 20 minutes - or even as much as 4 or 5 hours - later and feel quite refreshed but if I don't go back to bed, I feel "yucky" all day.
I feel that the body knows what it's doing and that, with proper hydration and sleeping in this manner, it can handle anything it encounters, from toxins to bacteria to poor nutrition.
The body is a veritable chemical factory and MAY even perform "cold fusion" in its dis-assembly and reassembly of nutrients! Which is very exciting to think about as it's possible that it can actually manufacture things like proteins from pure minerals! Like recycling on steroids!
Assuming we don't interfere with and try to control its processes...
Regarding the "chemical factory" - for instance, perhaps "lead poisoning" is actually an example of ingested nitrous dioxide, as lead would be easily broken up by a "manufacturing" plant as powerful as the body, which would send nitrous dioxide into the system, creating systemic symptoms that would be very different than the respiratory symptoms that result from inhalation - symptoms that have never been checked because exposure is assumed to occur from airborne NO2.
Thrush again! Dehydrated again! Sinus again! Post nasal drip again!
I think the combination that set it off was the dehydration + ICE CREAM - resulting in the sinus stuffiness and postnasal drip, dropping candida down the throat and onto the back of the tongue.
Two days ago I used a combination of a tablespoon of Milk of Magnesia, a splash of water and about a teaspoon of diatomaceous earth. Mixed, gargled, swished a while, spit it out but didn't rinse. After about 15 minutes, I rinsed and wiped my tongue with a paper towel and it was mostly gone.
Haven't done anything since and am letting it come back to see if I can eliminate it with some kind of sinus flush. Haven't decided what I'm going to use yet...but it WILL NOT be Milk of Magnesia, so don't try it based on the gargling results. At least, not because of anything I've said. Dry sinuses are NEVER a good idea.
Ice cream isn't the only thing that causes a sinus infection. I found that spinach-artichoke dip does it for me. Last year on Superbowl Sunday I made some and boy, was I sick!
That is great Danny. I made some a week ago and it should be ready tomorrow. I hope it turns out right. I took some raw green cabbage, sea salt, and a probiotic pill and sealed them into a air tight BPH free container. Ground cabbage up, put a layer and then covered with sea salt and repeated. Took about 2 maybe 3 cups of cabbage with probiotic and some water made it into liquid with the ( nutria bullet )poured over the top, smashed down with spoon ( wooded ) and fill the rest up with rolled up cabbage leaves and sealed.
There are lots of recipes on the net, but it is time consuming. I have also been making some kefir coconut water. Only I am able to get it to ferment and turn bubbly, but my kefir grains are not turning into the cauliflower looking grains when it is finished. It looks and has the texture of yogurt. I could only find milk kefir at the store. But at least the water does ferment and is like wine almost.
I just started doing all of this, I am trying to get rid of possible candida or morgellons on my arms, I think the two could be related, because every time I have a breakout on my arms I also get athletes feet between my toes. These two things always come together and leave together.
That's amazing. I didn't make my own sauerkraut - just bought it at a health food store. Hope it works for you. Best of luck!!