Joint Pain: Top Natural Remedies

| Modified on Mar 09, 2022
Multiple Remedies
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 06/01/2017
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Mister Michael's current REGIME for battling chronic Sacroiliac / Sciatic / Knee joint problems is showing beneficial results at long last!!

May / June 2017

I have embarked upon the uncharted waters of the following protocol - I trust you will indulge this old ascetic his foibles and meanderings. It's success really does rely somewhat on a wholesome lifestyle generally, as a solid foundation on which to build. You will know what I am getting at I presume. Here goes:-

-Upon arising - Oil pulling /swishing with half a teaspoon of nice Coconut Oil for 15-20 minutes approx. - mainly for gums / teeth to curb the plaque issue, due to a certain body chemistry I am stuck with, but may have a bearing on the issues above possibly. Think about it!!

-Expel and swish out (not down the sink drain! ) with warm water/salted water/ bicarb water (your choice).

Keen people will clean their teeth at this juncture.

(Previously, I would take the good quality Honey and Sri Lankan Cinnamon drink at this point but have temporarily suspended this one). If you do this, then I suggest you definitely clean your teeth!!

-Two large glasses of lukewarm water, one of them containing a teaspoon of lime juice

(call me a "Limey" if you like - I don't care!! ). You could use lemon juice if you prefer.

Thirty minutes later - breakfast of your choice- I'm not going to tell how you should live your FOOD life here!!

-Straight after breakfast -take a Seafood Oil tablet of some sort PLUS a Magnesium 75mg tablet with Potassium 25mg added to it. Magnesium Chloride Liquid is a good alternative if you can get hold of it. NOT the potassium if you have blood/blood pressure/heart or kidney issues of course.

(Some prefer to take the Magnesium at night for excellent reasons. You could do that).

-At some stage LATER in the day, I would take approximately 30-40 mls of Tart Cherry Juice swished up in a medium glass of nice, filtered water. I will be bold here and say this may be essential to success!! My stuff is quite treacly / viscous which I quite like. Mix it up well in the water for best absorption.

-A little later I would take Dr. Gundy's "Vital Reds" well mixed with water.

-After evening meal (which ideally would be much earlier than we generally get around to it-HA),

I would take one Turmeric capsule 400mg and one Ester C 1000mg Vitamin C "Highly absorb able non-acidic, Vitamin C / Bioflavonoid" complex tablet. I think I am getting enough Vitamin D with my constant gardening without taking any additional D.

-At least one hour after eating, and before retiring, I would take two or three "Heal and Soothe" tablets in a medium glass of water.

-ALSO, I am being a very good boy at last and actually doing some exercises prescribed by my Witch Doctor. You can Google these of course but to give you a "heads up", there are ONLY four and I do them twice a day except when I cheat, forget or postpone and the day slips away from me:-

1) You lie down on your back, legs straight, and raise and lower each leg in turn, holding it up for 30 secs and slowly lowering it. Do three lots of four on each leg alternately OR slightly more on the injured side to bring it back up to the strength of the other one.

2) Lie down as above but with legs bent at 90 degrees- lift one leg with hands locked behind THIGH (not knee) and pull towards chest. THEN attempt to straighten leg (within reason) AND pull whole leg a little bit further and HOLD. Do four on one and four on the other.

3) Stand straight and tall with feet straight out and shoulder width apart. Use a chair for support if required. Slowly bend knees to half-squat position HOLD and straighten up again. Try not to nod forward or lean forward and it should work better. Do four and gradually work up to ten. I am assuming I am talking to oldies here- the young could do more.

4) Finish up by bring both knees up to the chest in the lying down position and hold for a while.

This is considered by some to be an excellent way to finish up/balance these sorts of exercises.

Do all of the above regularly and slowly whilst thinking nice thoughts (if you have any - find some if you haven't). "Pretend" the world will suddenly be a better place once you see positive results after ten days or so -- it almost certainly will!!

I know you will be overjoyed to learn that I am seeing some (early) benefits from this new and carefully thought out Regime. It requires a self-discipline borne of desperation that drives me on. Hence my magical transformation from a butterfly to the ascetic mentioned above!!

Maybe you could glean some delicious morsels from the above smorgasbord of choice tit bits.

That would please me greatly.

-Taking, in addition, some ACV and Molasses drinks would also be a good idea - I do those on an irregular basis these days when the mood takes me there.

As my Punjabi, Guru once famously told me whilst he was sitting comfortably on a bed of nails "If you do the exercises I am telling you Sahib - body MUST respond - it has to Sahib - it has little choice in the matter".

There you have it. I charge you nothing for that extra Pearl of Wisdom. It is nice to have some solid markers in this constantly shifting world of ours!

Maybe you should seriously consider doing some exercises OR stretching OR yoga etc. on a regular basis. Incorporate them into your lifestyle for your wellness / benefit.

Give yourself a pat on the back. Life can (and should) be better. Improvements are often obtained after just a week or ten days so, "What's not to like?".

More dubious wisdom from Down Under!

As my Guru is fond of saying, "May you do well, prosper, and have many children Sahib"!


Mister Michael

P.S. "Success" here is defined in so far as I am taking far fewer painkillers since being on this Regime. Whoopee!

Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda
Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 08/13/2018

Hi Melea of Texas,

I have not checked for other responses to your troubled, plea for help with your joint issues but for what it's worth here is my contribution that works for me at the present time anyway and for which I am truly grateful!!

I should mention at this point that I took my cue from sage and wise contributors to this Site, that a wobbly digestion, if rectified, could lessen the achy joints. Are these two issues connected I hear you ask? Well, many health (read "illnesses") issues are thought by some, including the Ancient Greeks, to be gut-related. Fine, but the stomach has a part to play also so let's look at both of them.

Normally not noted for my propensity for sticking to any plan (there being so much information overload out there these days and better known for my won't power than my will power), I can honestly tell you that the following has brought back some quality of life, relief and hopefully for you too by taking the following five or six days per week.

Before the evening/main meal, I take a pill containing good quality Digestive Enzymes. If you find the right one for you, the results on your digestive processes may well be quick to take effect. Remember while you are reading this that enzymes are important but are often absent from our modern "lifestyle".

In my case, the only effect that I had been AWARE of was the unmentionable (lower) gas along with internal rumblings, that whilst not life threatening, sometimes caused some anxious looks from by-standers who feared I might explode in their proximity. But what, I asked myself, was it doing elsewhere in the system? Was it up to even more mischief?Valid question, if one were to listen to one's body, and we should all do more of that before our body causes us strife, as it inevitably will.

SO, the other three pills I take at a separate time, with another meal are:-

A complete Joint Ease tablet that contains (amongst other things) Chondroitin and Glucosamine. If you are not getting these, you are missing out. Plenty of info on these two everywhere!! Boron included etc etc.

A high quality Fish Oil in some form: food, oil OR capsule - whatever.

Curcumin - BUT the full spectrum and enhanced, bio-available form important, as the stuff is tricky to get enough of if you just go for the regular dosage.

I will not burden you with the many observations / other things you could incorporate into your daily regime, as I and others have written extensively on this wonderful Site on this subject in the past.

However, the above is serving me well at present, as I have thought about this issue for a long time and "boiled" things down to these four being important for Joint Health for me personally. Think of them as "The Fab Four". Nothing to do with the Beatles by the way!!

Your acid reflux is bad for your oesophagus and tooth enamel. Maybe (and this is anathema to many people I realize!?) go off the ACV for a month. Record this action in your diary so that after a month you can review your situation. It may interfere with the above protocol. Then you will be better placed to know where you stand.

Cheers from Down Under,


Dietary Changes
Posted by Dallas (Amesbury, Ma) on 10/17/2017 6 posts
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Drop the Grains, Nightshades and Sugars to heal Joint Pain/Arrhythmias

I have many health problems, including celiac sprue, hashimoto's thyroiditis, multiple food sensitivities etc. I dropped all gluten out of my diet when the celiac was diagnosed 16 years ago. Within the past year. I have also suffered off and on with heart arrhythmias strong enough to mimic a heart attack and severe knee and joint pain. Finally, after about a year of research and prayer, I found a solution. I dropped all grains, (including chia and flax), all nightshades, and all sugars TOTALLY out of my diet. I made sure to prepare all legumes properly before cooking. Within a very short time, the joint pains AND arrhythmias diminished and then stopped altogether. Then, as an experiment, I ate nightshades one day, grains a few days later without the nightshades, and sugar without the nightshades or grains to test and see which ones were causing the pain. It turns out they ALL caused symptoms. So, I am leaving them all out of my diet. As an interesting aside. I am not sure about nightshades, but I do know that whenever I eat grains or sugars, my urine smells bad. As a former worker in a hospital, I have noticed that smell in the restroom after an elderly person uses it. Could it be that many elderly health problems such as joint pain and heart problems could be caused by grains, nightshades and/or sugars?

As another aside, I wonder if grains are prepared properly, ie: soaked, sprouted etc, before cooking, would they cause the same problems?

Posted by Melody (North Carolina) on 10/12/2017

Another benefit of chlorophyll seems to be more sound sleep. I am not waking up with the startles. Perimonopause has had a bad effect on my sleep.
The last week I have slept like a baby.


Posted by Joyann (Hemet, Ca) on 12/28/2012
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I just want to let everyone know that the tumeic powder has helped me. I have been suffering from joint inflamation severly for 5 months and I exercise in pain 7 days a week. The lord directed me to this website and I even believe he saved me a whole lot of pain. I give god the glory. My menstrual cramps are much improved as well. I consume 6 teaspoons a day in the powder form. And I also got a lot of energy. I hope this helps someone else. I tell all my friends about it.

Posted by mmsg (somewhere, europe) on 03/09/2022
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Cindy, for years I had been taking gelatin (fish) for my knees and it helped. I ran out of it and didn't bother to get more. But after a while my knees started "whispering" again. And that is when you wrote about rebounding. I had told you that I was doing "heel drops" instead of rebounding, but also some bouncing on a yoga ball. By now I can happily report that these random heel drops/bouncing seem to have kept my knees totally calm. Thank you!

Posted by Melody (North Carolina) on 10/10/2017
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I started taking liquid chlorophyll for anemia a week or two ago. 1 T. per day in a glass of water. Sometimes I do this twice a day, just because I know it is good for me and it tastes good.

I have realized that I have more energy (maybe because it is fixing the anemia, or maybe just because it is energizing) and also my joints are looser, in a good way. My neck and back are not so tight and will pop more easily.

I am so happy for these unexpected benefits.


Posted by Art (California) on 11/02/2021 1580 posts


Yes, if you were taking a whole liter of water with 1/4 teaspoon of borax in it complete each day for 5 days of the week, you were getting a quarter teaspoon each of those 5 days for a total of 1 1/4 teaspoons of borax per week and with the length of time you have been taking it, you have achieved maximum benefit for your arthritis.

Although borax has shown very significant benefit for arthritis relief, it has not shown the ability to repair damage caused before you were taking it and this may be one reason that you still have pain although less of it.

You don't give much information such as what type of arthritis you have been diagnosed (there are many many types) with and how long you have had it or which joints are affected?

There are many arthritis alternatives and EC has most if not all of those remedies listed in their arthritis section which you can review. A few examples would be DMSO, MSM, Curcumin, multiple Boswellia extracts and derivatives, Gallixa, Ginger and ginger extracts, Thiamine (for RA), Aloe Oil, Skullcap, magnesium oil (MO), Glucosamine multis, homeopathy (many), TENS (OA), Devil's Claw, to name just a few.

I am partial to Borax because it has shown the ability to put arthritis into remission for many people and it has other healthful benefits, but nothing, whether prescription drug or supplement will work for everyone all of the time.

Many of the supplements listed on EC will fight the inflammation and possibly the oxidative stress associated with OA and RA and for these antiinflammatory agents, I do feel that some of the Boswellia extracts are quite potent, but these and others will have to be taken regularly and are not likely to put the disease into remission, only relieve pain.

Some people report that DMSO, in some cases may offer remission, but in others only pain relief. DMSO has never been a good pain reliever for me, but I am likely the exception and not the rule. Related to DMSO is methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) which is easier to use, in my opinion, than DMSO and can be taken orally or topically or both, but many people have reported significant side effects with the use of MSM and I believe that EC has an article outlining these side effects.

I have written about other topical pain relievers here :

And here :

And here :

Mike, it is likely to come down to trial and error for you to see what works best for you. I don't want to lock you into any one thing, but just emphasize that there are many options to consider and going over ECs Arthritis Remedies of which there are almost 100 at this link is an excellent place to see what options you can consider :


Posted by Timh (Ky) on 10/12/2017 2072 posts

Glad to hear of your natural remedies benefits.

From your testimony, it appears you have some type toxicity issues that result in the destruction of Vit-K which causes anemia and bone suppression because bone metabolism is dependent on Vit-K 1&2.

There has recently been a big boom in the consumption of "green smoothie" drinks, kinda like the liquid your using. Green foods like Kale & Spinach are good sources of chlorophyll but green sea-foods like Chlorella & Spirulina are the best sources.

I have been dealing with heavy metal bone toxicity for several yrs so I will share my regimen. Once daily supplement of Chlorella & Spirulina, and minimal dose of Vit-K 1&2.

Hope this helps and you continue to improve.

Autoimmune Issues
Posted by Greystone (Portland) on 08/18/2017

Autoimmune is really the immune systems responses to (WHAT?) attacks the body's cells and tissues, which occurs in allergic response. NIH scientists now believe it is an allergic response. If you want to get well then put on your investigator hat. For a handful it might be genetic for most studies are showing otherwise, The only way to really find out the cause is go on an elimination diet. Look it up . Basically no wheat, dairy sugar, caffeine soda pop, and energy drinks are super toxic, stop all inflammatory foods night shade vegetable, most meats except chicken and keep a food diary. Have air quality checked in your house hire an industrial hygienist. Looking for radon, carbon monoxide and the big one is mold spores in your house. Stop all your supplements for awhile and products go natural drink pure water, be in a calm, cool place.Now this is the next piece I'm seeing more and more people with inflammation I wonder about the Electo magnetic frequency some people are sensitive to it get a line phone, and get land line computer . Get certain type of paint that blocks WIFI it could be EMS electro magnetic sensitivity or go away to beach camping out of WIFI area and see how you feel . Another thing to look at is what type of pills, antibiotics pain killer anti depressants ect have you been on and what are the long term effects. Lastly, get a Lyme test with a Lyme literate MD. and stop all wheat, gluten and dairy they cross react and it is highly toxic. If there is fluoride in your water it is time to consider a reverse osmosis water filtration system, so you are sure to be getting clean, pure water the way God intended it to be.

Hydrogen Peroxide
Posted by Dave (Dallas, Texas) on 08/12/2008
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35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide--

I had crippling rheumatoid arthritis in 1985, where all the joints in my right arm were locked up and would not move. I was in constant, horrible pain and got no sleep for over 3 months. I began drinking extremely dilute amounts of the 35% HP DROPS in PURE WATER (NOT Tap Water!!)I also had candida albicans, and my cholesterol level was 465 as tested by my MD friend. Within 1 week the pain in my joints on my right arm was GONE and I was sleeping like a baby! Within one month I had free range of motion in all joints--from my fingers to my shoulder. My cholesterol was down to 289 and the candida symptoms were greatly reduced. By the end of the second month, my cholesterol was 155 (normal and safe) and all symptoms of candida albicans infestation were GONE. That was 28 YEARS ago, and I have had NO reoccurances of any of the above problems. I call that a "CURE!"

H2O2 amounts taken: Begin first day with ONE DROP H2O2 in 8 oz. PURE WATER. Second day: two drops H2O2. Third day: three drops H2O2...and so on until you reach 10 drops per day. Now, if the taste is too bad, split the HP drops into 5 in the morning, and 5 in the evening--near bed time. Work back taking 10 drops twice a day, THEN split it into THIRDS, AND begin taking 7 drops THREE times a day, or whatever you can handle. Slowly work back up to taking 10 drops THREE times a day. Don't go much higher than that, or you might want to stay at 7 drops, three times a day. Let your body determine your amount.

ALSO, do NOT drink any H2O2 water 45 minutes BEFORE OR AFTER EATING A MEAL OR TAKING SUPPLIMENTS! You may throw up (vomit.)

ALSO, take 500 mg. of Vitamin C once a day to neutralize any free radical formations that may have occured. The oxygen in the H2O2 attacks the iron in the blood and causes that reaction. The Vitamin C will clean it up, and Selenium may also be substituted for the Vitamin C.

MY SKIN CANCER (Melanoma) "erased" with topical application of 35% Food Grade HP: I had several dark mole-like formations on my forearms come up after being out in the Texas sun a lot. They itched, and my doctor friend said they were Melanomas and that I should see a professional about them. I knew what HP would do for them, so I took a nail file and GENTLY abraded the surface of these dark bumps, and then I applied straight 35% Food Grade HP to the spots with a Q-Tip (cotton swab on a stick) UNTIL THEY TURNED WHITE IN COLOR. I did this 3 times a day for a week. By the end of the week, they had turned to powder or dust, and were FLAT and GONE! There was no itching, NO pain, and they left a slightly lightened spot on my arm where they used to be. They never came back again, and that was over 20 YEARS ago!

ARTHRITIS IN MY KNEES: 17 years ago, I developed rhumatoid arthritis in both knees. I began the HP method by washing my knees with soap and water to remove any body oil, then MISTED them with a 3% solution of HP that was diluted down from 35% Food Grade HP (12:1) with PURE WATER. I wore shorts and then misted my knees, then waited until they were dry, then misted them again while I watched Television or did Computer work. I did this for at least 30 minutes at a time, and I did 4 HP misting sessions a day. My knees were back to NORMAL WITH NO PAIN in ONE WEEK!! I was so happy! I told my friends who had similar problems, and they said that they tried SOAKING their finger and elbow joints in 3% Food Grade HP by pouring the 3% HP solution into a shallow bowl and soaking them for 30 minutes 3-4 times a day. When finished, they would pour the 3% HP solution back into a one gallon plastic jug. The last soaking, they put it in the refrigerator for safe keeping overnight. The next day, they would remove the HP jug from the refrigerator and let it sit out until it had warmed to room temperature, then use in in the bowl to soak their joints until the evening. Worked great!! If you make up one gallon of 3% solution and keep it in the refrigerator, it should last at least one month before you need to make another gallon of it.

IN DALLAS, TEXAS, I found 35% Food Grade HP at "Roy's Natural Market" 6025 Royal Ln. Ste 130
Dallas, TX 75230-8857
Phone: (214) 987-0213. They have been selling HP for many years, and it is about $16.00 (US) for one quart, which will last a long time when you are spraying it.

Enjoy being pain-free!

Posted by Art (California) on 10/31/2021 1580 posts

Hi Mike,

You didn't say how much Borax you are taking. I take 1/4th level full measuring teaspoon mixed in a quart of water and sip throughout the day until done. I drink a quart of this mixture on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and then I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday off. So in total per week, I am consuming 1 teaspoon total of borax in water which is approximately 3.75 grams of Borax per week. This was Ted's protocol for men. The women's dose is half the man's dose.

The doctor who popularized boron and borax for arthritis decades ago, Dr. Rex Newnham, said it could take up to 4 months to realize maximum benefit from borax or boron for arthritis. So if you have been taking the correct dose of Borax, you have taken it more than long enough to reach maximum effectiveness that you are going to get from it. When I tried the women's dose, it did improve my arthritis, but not nearly as well as the men's dose which I have been taking for about 13 years with very good benefit.


Posted by Art (California) on 08/22/2020 1580 posts

Mike V,

Unfortunately, Phenobarbital has a similar effect on bones as outlined here : studies have shown a, phenobarbital, carbamazepine, phenytoin).

If I had no other options for myself, I would delve into the supplements that I had planned on taking as mentioned in my last reply to you, to try and counter the negative effects of this class of drugs and try to improve my bone integrity that way.


Castor Oil
Posted by Sherri (Oak Hill, Wv) on 02/12/2018
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I had a small tear in my rotator cuff. Used ice as suggested by doctor & then read about castor oil pack for my shoulder. I could tell a difference in 3-4 days! I was amazed how much better my shoulder was. I'm still healing and still using the castor oil every night with a heat pack. I would strongly recommend!

Autoimmune Issues
Posted by Lee (Australia) on 07/14/2013
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To all those people who suffer from continuous joint and muscle pain. Have you been tested for autoimmune disease?

I suffererd for years, the doctor told me it was old age, I was 45 at the time, I thought to myself if I feel like this now what am I going to be like in 10, 15 or more years. A few years later another doctor tested me for autoimmune disease which showed my Antinuclear antibodies was high which looked towards lupis. my vit d was also low.

i now had something to work with instead of guessing and trying hundreds of dollars worth of health products which did absolutely nothing because I was not treating the right symptom.

Now I see a chinese doctor who specializes in auto immune disease and is treating me naturally.

Something to think about.

Increasing Water Consumption
Posted by Sheri (California ) on 07/10/2021

I agree with you, our cells need water. I have RA and have been reading Goodbye Lupus, a great book about healing and the dr that wrote it suggests at least 96 ounces of water daily. Her patients that do not drink enough water do not get well, but the patients that drink water and cut out any processed food and animal products do well, just after a week.

Turmeric and Ginger Drink
Posted by Janet (Poynette, Wi Usa) on 07/21/2010
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I have been suffering with pain in my right hip for a few years. It started out being on and off and gradually got be constant. It hurt to get up from a chair, going up and down stairs and just walking. I was developing a limp. Funny though, it actually bothered me less if I was extremely active. I found that turmeric and ginger work like magic. Every morning I have a hot cup of organic green tea to which I add 1 tsp. Virgin coconut oil, 2 tsp. Honey, 1/2 tsp. Turmeric powder, 1/2 tsp. Powdered ginger, a dash of black pepper and about 1/8 tsp. Of cayenne pepper. I read on EARTH CLINIC that those peppers help the efficacy of the spices. It's amazing, I have no pain in my hip. By the way, my daughter cured herself of classic fibromyalgia symptoms by following advice from EARTH CLINIC. This website is invaluable.

Posted by Don (Michigan, Usa) on 09/10/2020
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I have been having knee joint aches for awhile. Three weeks ago, I had a craving for cashews and ate about 8 oz a day for 3 days. I noticed my knee aches were gone and all my joints felt younger and lubricated. I searched and found that along with cardio benefits there is also a benefit to joints. I now eat a handful of roasted cashews every morning and I can do squats without knee aches.

I have also noticed a nerve calming effect.

Posted by Art (California) on 08/19/2020 1580 posts

Mike V.,

I'm not sure from what you wrote if you have taken borax for 4 weeks or 5 days, but 5 days is not enough time to deal with arthritis. Do you have an actual diagnosis of a type of arthritis? There are other reasons for joint pain, not just arthritis.

Which joints specifically, hurt you and is it constant or almost constant pain? You do not say how long you have had this joint pain, but if it has been awhile, it can take longer to feel results. In the case of long standing joint pain, it can take 3 to 4 months to see maximum benefit, but at 4 weeks, there would normally be at least some benefit.

You say,

' Not that much improvement '

and that sounds like there is some small amount of improvement and that would be normal in the second week of borax for many people. If it is just 5 days of borax, then you seem on track, but the length of time on borax is not clear to me.

Are you taking a statin drug such as Atorvastatin or Simvastatin? It would be helpful if you gave more information.

Lastly, let's double check exactly what you are taking. You should be taking one quarter teaspoon (US measuring spoons) of borax in one liter or quart of water each weekday which should be a total of 1 1/4 teaspoons total per week. A quarter teaspoon is equivalent to about 980 mg of borax total per weekday with weekends off to make it easier to remember.


Posted by Art (California) on 08/21/2020 1580 posts

Mike V,

That is helpful information!

The Dilantin you have been taking for decades is well known for causing osteopathy (bone disease), bone fractures and hip pain! If you have mentioned your hip pain to your doctor, he should be aware of the connection and can try and take steps to prevent further damage. Here is a study which discusses this very issue. Note the date of the study is 2015 which means that doctors were aware of this problem well before 2015 because it takes many reports from users before studies are started to investigate and confirm the problem.

Another study adding confirmation to the idea that long term use of Dilantin can lead to osteoporosis: therapy causes changes in, direct effects on bone cells.

Phenytoin is another name for Dilantin. Given that this is different than arthritis, borax may or may not be helpful, but since borax contains boron and boron can be helpful for bone issues such as osteoporosis, it may be worth continuing the borax, but it will take longer than the 3 to 4 months I mentioned previously to get measurable benefit. Since you have taken Dilantin for decades, there could potentially be damage to the bones. I know this is not probably what you were hoping to hear, but it may be time to have a talk with your doctor about this adverse event.

Dilantin can also cause problems with teeth. Overgrowth as a Side Effect of Dilantin (Phenytoin), -By&text=Certain medications used to control, tooth decay, and oral infections.

This article shows how women lost bone density after just one year on Dilantin and you have been on it for decades:

Given the above, I can only discuss what I would do for myself under similar circumstances as I am not a doctor and can not give medical advice. I would first discuss the situation with my doctor and then I would start taking many of the supplements that are known to improve bone density such as boron/borax, calcium, vitamin K-2, magnesium, vitamin D (to reach the upper half of the reference range of 30~100 ng/ml for 25 OH d serum test), 5 dried prunes per day, zinc, etc.

You may wonder why 5 dried prunes per day? here is the reason :, scientific research has found, slow and prevent bone loss.&text=Research published in the journal, for a six-month period.

A doctor might want to prescribe Fosamax, but I would shy away from this one due to potential side effects and not always the best outcomes.

So these would be my immediate considerations that I would initially try to see if I can reverse any bone damage and protect the bone that I do have as well as prevent fractures or further bone loss.


Posted by Art (California) on 08/19/2020 1580 posts

It may be possible to speed the process up by also soaking the offending toe in a mild borax solution.


Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda
Posted by Teena (Melbourne, Australia) on 08/09/2018 235 posts

Melea, a couple of tweaks you can try to your existing protocol, add one extra baking soda and water, must be 3 hours before eating or one hour after eating, so if you do Apple Cider Vinegar bs morning and night you can do this one after lunch, if this addition does not give you benefit as it should, then you may further add cayenne to your morning and evening Apple Cider Vinegar bs tonic. Work up to one teaspoon. If it is really difficult you can put it in capsules, it is important for digestion that the stomach knows it ( the heat) is coming, what I do is store my capsules in the cayenne powder, when I shake out a capsule I put a tiny bit on my tongue and then swallow with warm water. The warmth helps to spread it, you'll see for yourself the first time you take it with the tonic.

For topical relief, you may try 7 drops rosemary essential oil mixed in a half tablespoon of carrier oil, Olive, almond, etc massaged around the area. Between my husband and I, we have used all mentioned remedies for improved joint and muscle pain. Hubby is now wearing the rosemary to work, added to my homemade comfrey salve. Best to you.

Sulphur, Vitamin C
Posted by Ron (Rancho Dominguez, Ca) on 04/28/2016
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This isn't a cure, but it is close. I am a massage therapist and my specialty is deep tissue massage. Been doing this since 1980, so my joints were getting pretty well beat up. I tried all the usual remedies but they didn't work. I got turned on to the following:

1G of food grade sulfur along with 500mg of Vit C. I take this combo 6-8/day.

Sulfur has many benefits for the body. I no longer wake up with stiff joints.

Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 03/10/2016
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A few months ago I started taking gelatin for creaky joints and slightly painful knees. I took a teaspoon a day, but that seemed to cause constipation. So I halved it. I put 1/2 teaspoon of the grainy looking stuff of fish gelatin, in a bit of cold water, let it "bloom" (swell) for about 1/2 hour, then added hot water to melt it and drank it as is. I've been doing this almost daily.

I recently went back to an exercise class that I haven't been to in 8 weeks, and I was astonished that NOTHING CREAKED! As different from other times that I missed these classes. My neck is far more flexible too.

When I told someone else, a few DAYS after I started this, that I imagine my knees are complaining less when I bound down my five flights of stairs, he started taking a marshmallow or two a day ("it has gelatin, right?! ")....and also reported a difference! He now takes the gelatin as homemade jello with fruit juice.

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 02/05/2016

HI U BIRDS DOIN, , , , , , , , , , , , , just got Dr. Shallenberger's medical letter and lo and behold he is saying you need boron to get rid of joint pain.

No , he did not say take Borax as we do here at EC, but he did find that Boron is needed to relieve pain along with other stuff. Most other medical folks say that boron is toxic. He is an integrative doctor and does not speak for the establishment. He is one of my heroes because of Ozone and other things he has brought forth.

Anyway, it appears that the folks on this site are a few years ahead of some doctors. I have been taking Aleve for for my back pain and will now switch to borax. As most on this site know, I's smart, jus slow.


Autoimmune Issues
Posted by Annie (Orange County, CA) on 07/07/2021

I agree with you about all the things we put in our bodies could be causing pain. I get pain and swelling in my joints after eating refined sugars, meats, dairy, and grains. I also started reacting to the medication for pain, it started to give me joint pain 20-40 minutes after I took it.

Goodbye Lupus is a good book and it has a protocol about cutting out processed food and making sure to eat highly nutritious food to regenerate cells. Foods such as brocolli, kale and bokchoy. There are lists on the internet of how nutritious foods are, so eat to nourish and regenerate cells don't just eat for fun. Also drink at least 96 oz of ater daily, cells need water.

Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 07/21/2012
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to share with everyone that for the first time, I tried fresh turmeric in my morning veggie juice we make ourselves. Every morning we make a green juice and it's always a little different. I always love it and feel really good after drinking it. I can just feel my body sing from it. I have also tried powdered turmeric at times but I can't say I feel anything significant but I also know all its benefits so I figure it can't hurt.

Well, this morning was vastly different. Some of you know that I have had stem cell therapy and my hips have recovered tremendously. Honestly, I can't compare what I feel like now to what condition I was dealing with before. Today, after the drink, which tasted very different but delicious, ALL pain disappeared from my hips and I could bring my knees almost to my chest which I have not been able to do in years. I would love if others would try fresh turmeric as well for joint pain and/ or inflammation and see if you also experience a significant difference. Wishing you well, Lisa

Posted by Dawn (Centerville, Utah) on 07/28/2008
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I injured my elbow when I wrecked on my mtn bike. I did some research on joint pain and found turmeric. It worked like a charm on all my joint problems! However it did cause me to have some major hair loss. I noticed when I stopped taking the turmeric daily my hair loss was not as drastic.

Posted by Hannah (Petach Tikva, Israel) on 02/26/2013
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Dear Gurodev, I don't know how to thank you for your great suggestion for making turmeric/ginger tea. In one day all my hip pain disappeared. Earth Clinic - what a wonderful site.