Joint Pain: Top Natural Remedies

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Cashews for Joint Pain.

The human body has hundreds of joints! When even one of them is not up to par, significant inconvenience and/or pain can result. Joint problems can be cause by arthritis, injury, inflammation, disease, infection or degeneration.

Thankfully, natural remedies like apple cider vinegar, castor oil, and herbs can relieve pain, restore function, heal diseases and facilitate regeneration.

Home Remedies for Joint Problems

Apple Cider Vinegar

Apple cider vinegar, taken as an internal tonic, reduces pain and inflammation due to its alkalizing effect on the body. It contains nutrients that support body functions as well. For arthritis and joint pain, 2-3 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar can be added to a glass of water and consumed daily.

Apple cider vinegar can be applied topically for acute joint discomfort. Soak a cloth in apple cider vinegar and apply to the joint of concern. Wrap plastic around the cloth and secure with an ace bandage. The apple cider vinegar bandage can be worn overnight. This method is especially useful for pain caused by strains and gout.

Castor Oil

Castor oil is not taken internally but massaged into painful joints. It relieves inflammation and pain, sometimes as well as oral pain relievers! Castor oil can be messy, so use old clothes and towels to avoid getting castor oil on clothing and furniture.

Turmeric

Turmeric is a natural anti-inflammatory. Turmeric is often taken on an ongoing basis for those suffering with a variety of pains. 2-4 capsules are taken twice a day. Alternately, a teaspoon of turmeric can be added to a mug full of warm milk. A sprinkle of black pepper helps to potentate the turmeric.

Borax

Borax contains boron, which is a necessary element in the joints. Boron also helps the body to balance other minerals and hormones. Studies have found that boron is needed for strong bones.

Dietary Changes

Sugar and processed foods aggravate inflammation and pain. They also fill the body up so more quality foods are not consumed at levels needed to provide necessary nutrients to the body.

Bone broth contains concentrated amounts of gelatin and the necessary minerals for joint health. Look for organic bone broths or make your own!

Hydrotherapy

Hydrotherapy involves alternating warm and cool applications to painful joints. The cool applications help to reduce inflammation. The warm applications promote circulation and repair. Use two bowls of water; one warm and one cool. (NOT hot and ice cold!) Soak a cloth in the cool water and apply it to the painful joint for 1 minute. Remove the cool cloth and replace it with the warm cloth. Continue alternative warm and cool for 7 changes, beginning and ending with cool. Hydrotherapy can be repeated several times a day.

The exception would be that a freshly injured joint should not have warm applications. Instead, use cold applications 15 minutes out of every hour or two.

Epsom Salt

Epsom salt soaks provide magnesium and sulfur to the joints. Add ½ cup Epsom salt to a basin of water and soak the painful joint. For fresh injuries, use cool water, otherwise use warm water.

Have you used a natural remedy to treat a joint problem? Please send us some feedback!

Continue reading to see how our readers have used natural remedies to heal joint issues.


Aloe Vera

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Posted by Rose (Kampala)
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I suffered from joint pain for a period of over two months. I took antibiotics continously to no avail. However one day I was told by a friend that aloe vera could work. I started by boiling aloe vera juice extacted from the sap. In addition I would also rub the gel on my joints and experience healing.

Replied by Bob
(Elmhurst Twp, Pa. USA)
03/19/2012

Almost 100% of people with joint pain are dehydrated from drinking caffeine, alcohol or soda and/or not enough water & sea salt. Google: Pain cured with water & sea salt. The same things are the causes of most health problems.

Thhis site has fantastic info on the water cure & you cshould go to watercure2.org.

Bob Butts

Replied by Talia
(Jerusalem, Israel)
05/20/2012

Re the response by Bob from Elmhust regarding the need to drink more water - what a great reminder. For some reason I tend to forget the importance of water and as a result of reading this response, realize that the pain in my joints in the past number of days could actually be the result of dehydration, since I was telling a friend the other day that I think I'm dehydrated and need to drink more water. Dehydration can also be a reason for tiredness, and sometimes for us women we can minimize some of our facial wrinkles by staying hydrated since dehydration also affects our skin.


Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda

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Posted by Melea (Texas) on 08/09/2018
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Hello, please help! Many years ago I found Earth Clinic and immediately began taking the acv/bs mixture in water daily and it was incredible the relief I had in my joints & acid reflux but for the past year it is no longer helping even tho I am still continuously taking the same mixture daily. I am in severe joint pain as well as acid reflux which is bringing on depression especially after it working sooo well for years. I have also lost a lot of weight so I don't think the pain is weight related. Should I increase the amount I'm taking? Please please please respond, I am really struggling with this and makes it very difficult to do my job! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you,
Melea

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)
08/09/2018

Melea, for the acid reflux you can read up on Inclined Bed Therapy. Costs nothing!

Replied by Teena
(Melbourne, Australia)
08/09/2018
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Melea, a couple of tweaks you can try to your existing protocol, add one extra baking soda and water, must be 3 hours before eating or one hour after eating, so if you do Apple Cider Vinegar bs morning and night you can do this one after lunch, if this addition does not give you benefit as it should, then you may further add cayenne to your morning and evening Apple Cider Vinegar bs tonic. Work up to one teaspoon. If it is really difficult you can put it in capsules, it is important for digestion that the stomach knows it ( the heat) is coming, what I do is store my capsules in the cayenne powder, when I shake out a capsule I put a tiny bit on my tongue and then swallow with warm water. The warmth helps to spread it, you'll see for yourself the first time you take it with the tonic.

For topical relief, you may try 7 drops rosemary essential oil mixed in a half tablespoon of carrier oil, Olive, almond, etc massaged around the area. Between my husband and I, we have used all mentioned remedies for improved joint and muscle pain. Hubby is now wearing the rosemary to work, added to my homemade comfrey salve. Best to you.

Replied by Michael
(New Zealand)
08/13/2018

Hi Melea of Texas,

I have not checked for other responses to your troubled, plea for help with your joint issues but for what it's worth here is my contribution that works for me at the present time anyway and for which I am truly grateful!!

I should mention at this point that I took my cue from sage and wise contributors to this Site, that a wobbly digestion, if rectified, could lessen the achy joints. Are these two issues connected I hear you ask? Well, many health (read "illnesses") issues are thought by some, including the Ancient Greeks, to be gut-related. Fine, but the stomach has a part to play also so let's look at both of them.

Normally not noted for my propensity for sticking to any plan (there being so much information overload out there these days and better known for my won't power than my will power), I can honestly tell you that the following has brought back some quality of life, relief and hopefully for you too by taking the following five or six days per week.

Before the evening/main meal, I take a pill containing good quality Digestive Enzymes. If you find the right one for you, the results on your digestive processes may well be quick to take effect. Remember while you are reading this that enzymes are important but are often absent from our modern "lifestyle".

In my case, the only effect that I had been AWARE of was the unmentionable (lower) gas along with internal rumblings, that whilst not life threatening, sometimes caused some anxious looks from by-standers who feared I might explode in their proximity. But what, I asked myself, was it doing elsewhere in the system? Was it up to even more mischief?Valid question, if one were to listen to one's body, and we should all do more of that before our body causes us strife, as it inevitably will.

SO, the other three pills I take at a separate time, with another meal are:-

A complete Joint Ease tablet that contains (amongst other things) Chondroitin and Glucosamine. If you are not getting these, you are missing out. Plenty of info on these two everywhere!! Boron included etc etc.

A high quality Fish Oil in some form: food, oil OR capsule - whatever.

Curcumin - BUT the full spectrum and enhanced, bio-available form important, as the stuff is tricky to get enough of if you just go for the regular dosage.

I will not burden you with the many observations / other things you could incorporate into your daily regime, as I and others have written extensively on this wonderful Site on this subject in the past.

However, the above is serving me well at present, as I have thought about this issue for a long time and "boiled" things down to these four being important for Joint Health for me personally. Think of them as "The Fab Four". Nothing to do with the Beatles by the way!!

Your acid reflux is bad for your oesophagus and tooth enamel. Maybe (and this is anathema to many people I realize!?) go off the ACV for a month. Record this action in your diary so that after a month you can review your situation. It may interfere with the above protocol. Then you will be better placed to know where you stand.

Cheers from Down Under,

Michael


Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda
Posted by Suebee (Lansing, Mi) on 07/06/2013
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I've had hip joint pain for 6 months or so now and in the last week my left hip had become much worse so that my walking and sleeping were being affected. First day I tried rest, which alleviated a lot of the pain but the next day I jarred the joint again and the pain relentlessly returned. So yesterday I took 2 Tbsp ACV + 1/2 tsp Baking Soda + 1 Tbsp Agave nectar (it's easier for me to drink this way). Took this again at night before bed IN ADDITION to 2 Tbsp CHERRY JUICE CONCENTRATE for inflammation. This morning pain is back at a 1/10, complete range of motion and ready to stretch those tight muscles. I'll still rest today and keep this "med" schedule up for a week or so. Wow.


Apple Cider Vinegar and Baking Soda
Posted by Steve (Victoria BC, Canada) on 12/06/2007
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Hi everyone at earthclinic! I am a 60 year male. I found your site after a search for arthritis and natural cures. I started taking the ACV and BS two months ago. It has significantly reduced the pain and swelling between my knuckles. My hips and knee pain are getting better and the food taste better as well. My energy has increased and I am not napping as much. I don't feel as cold anymore and no more shivers in bed. It has also helped my wife with her knees. I can't thank you enough for your wonderful natural cure. I almost got sold on the Swedish joint pain formula but I' found your site and I am now saving my much needed money. Now I am going to start using the H202 inhalation method and I will let you know how that turns out.You are on my 649 list and you can hold me to that.


Apple Cider Vinegar, Arnica

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Posted by Sarah (Ns, Can) on 03/02/2015
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I suffer, as most, from occasional joint pain/inflammation. The other morning my neck was severely inflamed, limited motion. I took a cloth dampened it with warm water then some ACV and almost immediately felt improvement. There may be slight discomfort, this is temporary. I would also like to suggest arnica cream. This greatly improved jaw function after surgery and is a great source of minerals necessary to healing injuries. May God bless.


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(Kuantan, Non Us/canada)
08/01/2012
Replied by Patty
(Medford, Oregon)
01/20/2013

My 80 year old neighbor told me he used pectin to cure his arthritic knuckles. But I tried putting it ON the joint and it didn't work. Now I will consume it and see if it works, as this reader suggests. Will add pectin capsules too.

Autoimmune Issues

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Posted by Lee (Australia) on 07/14/2013
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To all those people who suffer from continuous joint and muscle pain. Have you been tested for autoimmune disease?

I suffererd for years, the doctor told me it was old age, I was 45 at the time, I thought to myself if I feel like this now what am I going to be like in 10, 15 or more years. A few years later another doctor tested me for autoimmune disease which showed my Antinuclear antibodies was high which looked towards lupis. my vit d was also low.

i now had something to work with instead of guessing and trying hundreds of dollars worth of health products which did absolutely nothing because I was not treating the right symptom.

Now I see a chinese doctor who specializes in auto immune disease and is treating me naturally.

Something to think about.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, USA)
07/16/2013
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Lee: thanks for sharing your experience and do please inform us on your progress! Question, did you per chance try 7-keto DHEA in your previous nutritional protocol??? I have read that the 7-keto form of DHEA is preferred over the regular DHEA. Anyway it seems as if auto-immunity is more prevalent and disease causing than what we otherwise know.

LDN or (Low Dose Naltrexone) is gaining much acceptance in the prescription pharmaceutical category. The "low dose" factor makes it quite safe and free of bad side effects BUT packs a good punch for regulating immunity.

I am currently researching other options like Opiates and Cannabinoids.

Replied by Lee
(Australia)
07/17/2013

timh, I haven't tried the 7-keto DHEA.

do you recommend this supplement for autoimmune disease? I have just started the chinese medicine treatment but will post any progress that I make.

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, USA)
07/18/2013
2080 posts

Lee: There is a good bit of literature in favor of DHEA and particularly 7-keto DHEA for many types immune disorders. At one time I personally experienced noticeable benefits from both. In the nutritional category there are, to my knowledge, only two more nutrients with specific benefits for autoimmunity and they are Colostrum and DMG.

Replied by Greystone
(Portland)
08/18/2017

Autoimmune is really the immune systems responses to (WHAT?) attacks the body's cells and tissues, which occurs in allergic response. NIH scientists now believe it is an allergic response. If you want to get well then put on your investigator hat. For a handful it might be genetic for most studies are showing otherwise, The only way to really find out the cause is go on an elimination diet. Look it up . Basically no wheat, dairy sugar, caffeine soda pop, and energy drinks are super toxic, stop all inflammatory foods night shade vegetable, most meats except chicken and keep a food diary. Have air quality checked in your house hire an industrial hygienist. Looking for radon, carbon monoxide and the big one is mold spores in your house. Stop all your supplements for awhile and products go natural drink pure water, be in a calm, cool place.Now this is the next piece I'm seeing more and more people with inflammation I wonder about the Electo magnetic frequency some people are sensitive to it get a line phone, and get land line computer . Get certain type of paint that blocks WIFI it could be EMS electro magnetic sensitivity or go away to beach camping out of WIFI area and see how you feel . Another thing to look at is what type of pills, antibiotics pain killer anti depressants ect have you been on and what are the long term effects. Lastly, get a Lyme test with a Lyme literate MD. and stop all wheat, gluten and dairy they cross react and it is highly toxic. If there is fluoride in your water it is time to consider a reverse osmosis water filtration system, so you are sure to be getting clean, pure water the way God intended it to be.

Annie
(Orange County, CA)
07/07/2021

I agree with you about all the things we put in our bodies could be causing pain. I get pain and swelling in my joints after eating refined sugars, meats, dairy, and grains. I also started reacting to the medication for pain, it started to give me joint pain 20-40 minutes after I took it.

Goodbye Lupus is a good book and it has a protocol about cutting out processed food and making sure to eat highly nutritious food to regenerate cells. Foods such as brocolli, kale and bokchoy. There are lists on the internet of how nutritious foods are, so eat to nourish and regenerate cells don't just eat for fun. Also drink at least 96 oz of ater daily, cells need water.


Avoid Aspartame

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Posted by Sylvia (Tillsonburg, Ontario Canada) on 08/21/2007
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I was suffering unexplainable joint & muscle pain and, at least, 70% of my pain disappeared when I eliminated Aspartame in my diet. I have done great research on Aspartame and it poisons people. All diet products contain Aspartame and it is in over 5000 food and beverage products.

Replied by Deb
(PG, Utah)
11/26/2008
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WARNING: Aspartame is poison.

I am not sure if I have written about this on this site but let me tell you I almost died. One day in the movie theater about 10 minutes into the film my joints started hurting within ten additional minutes I hurt all over my body expecially my spine. I had to have help form my son to stand and walk to the car. I was in so much pain I thought I would die. I had no medical insurance so couldn't see the doc. two days and bed ridden my son brought me an artical on Aspartame poisoning. I know from drinking diet soda that is what had happened. It took months with herbs for body and blood purification for me to stop hurting so bad. 8 months later is was mostly out of my system. I will never touch artificial sugar again. None of it!

Replied by Jerricho
(Florida, Tampa)
09/22/2011

Well my back pain is more so on right side of my butt bone and I hurt on that same side below my ribs and it hurts so bad sometimes I feel like my legs are about to give away on me. I went to my doctor and he thought it was my gall bladder so I had an ultrasound and they found a spot on my pancreas so I had a CT scan and it didn't show anything but I'm still hurting in my lower back and my side. They gave me vicodin for pain but I am in fear due to side effects.


Baking Soda

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Posted by Lorraine (Auckland, New Zealand) on 08/27/2007
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After suffering with acute pain in my right big toe for one year i heard about this site and what baking soda can do. I took half teaspoon in a glass of water and the pain disappeared in minutes! Previously i couldnt even stand the weight of the sheet on my toe. I am yet to try acv and b.soda. but will do so' and report back. have also been suffering from a lot of joint pain and that is subsiding also. I am very grateful for the info on this site. I received no help from doctors who only prescribe dangerous drugs!


Borax

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Posted by Mike (Des Moines, IA) on 10/31/2021
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I have been taking Borax 5 days on 2 days off from 10/1/2020 till now for 13 months for joint pain. My condition has been improved, but no cure and still have a lot of pain. Should I continue with borax, or stop? I like to ask your opinion and advise, specially Art Sobrig.

Thanks,

Mike

Replied by Art
(California)
10/31/2021
1238 posts

Hi Mike,

You didn't say how much Borax you are taking. I take 1/4th level full measuring teaspoon mixed in a quart of water and sip throughout the day until done. I drink a quart of this mixture on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and then I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday off. So in total per week, I am consuming 1 teaspoon total of borax in water which is approximately 3.75 grams of Borax per week. This was Ted's protocol for men. The women's dose is half the man's dose.

The doctor who popularized boron and borax for arthritis decades ago, Dr. Rex Newnham, said it could take up to 4 months to realize maximum benefit from borax or boron for arthritis. So if you have been taking the correct dose of Borax, you have taken it more than long enough to reach maximum effectiveness that you are going to get from it. When I tried the women's dose, it did improve my arthritis, but not nearly as well as the men's dose which I have been taking for about 13 years with very good benefit.

Art

Des Moines
(IA)
11/01/2021

Hi Art.

I am taking 1/4 tea spoon in the liter of water 5 days a week and Saturday and Sunday off. You mentioned take 4 days borax and 3 days off. I will follow that direction.

Is there anything else that helps joint pain?

Thanks,

Mike

Art
(California)
11/02/2021
1238 posts

Mike,

Yes, if you were taking a whole liter of water with 1/4 teaspoon of borax in it complete each day for 5 days of the week, you were getting a quarter teaspoon each of those 5 days for a total of 1 1/4 teaspoons of borax per week and with the length of time you have been taking it, you have achieved maximum benefit for your arthritis.

Although borax has shown very significant benefit for arthritis relief, it has not shown the ability to repair damage caused before you were taking it and this may be one reason that you still have pain although less of it.

You don't give much information such as what type of arthritis you have been diagnosed (there are many many types) with and how long you have had it or which joints are affected?

There are many arthritis alternatives and EC has most if not all of those remedies listed in their arthritis section which you can review. A few examples would be DMSO, MSM, Curcumin, multiple Boswellia extracts and derivatives, Gallixa, Ginger and ginger extracts, Thiamine (for RA), Aloe Oil, Skullcap, magnesium oil (MO), Glucosamine multis, homeopathy (many), TENS (OA), Devil's Claw, to name just a few.

I am partial to Borax because it has shown the ability to put arthritis into remission for many people and it has other healthful benefits, but nothing, whether prescription drug or supplement will work for everyone all of the time.

Many of the supplements listed on EC will fight the inflammation and possibly the oxidative stress associated with OA and RA and for these antiinflammatory agents, I do feel that some of the Boswellia extracts are quite potent, but these and others will have to be taken regularly and are not likely to put the disease into remission, only relieve pain.

Some people report that DMSO, in some cases may offer remission, but in others only pain relief. DMSO has never been a good pain reliever for me, but I am likely the exception and not the rule. Related to DMSO is methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) which is easier to use, in my opinion, than DMSO and can be taken orally or topically or both, but many people have reported significant side effects with the use of MSM and I believe that EC has an article outlining these side effects.

I have written about other topical pain relievers here :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/pain-relief-remedies-art-solbrig.html

And here :

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/tens-pain-therapy-at-home.html

And here :

https://www.earthclinic.com/blog/value-of-good-compounding-pharmacist.html

Mike, it is likely to come down to trial and error for you to see what works best for you. I don't want to lock you into any one thing, but just emphasize that there are many options to consider and going over ECs Arthritis Remedies of which there are almost 100 at this link is an excellent place to see what options you can consider :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/arthritis.html

Art

Holly
(Millersville)
11/03/2021

Mike,

I have noticed that wheat and sugar both aggravate my joint pain.

Giving them up could help. It's a pain. But then, so is arthritis.

Holly

Lynn Greene
(Canada)
11/11/2021

Try potassium. You can eat a banana every day, which has the perfect amount of potassium. Or pills from the Health Food store.

Mike
(Des Moines, IA)
11/03/2021

Thanks, Holly. I will give it a try.


Borax
Posted by Mike V. (Des Moines, Ia) on 08/19/2020
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Hi Art Solbrig,

I have joint pain and in the last 4 weeks, used Ted's borax remedy, 1/4 teaspoon on the liter of water for 5 days. Not that much improvement.

Any suggestions? Thank you.

Replied by Art
(California)
08/19/2020
1238 posts

Mike V.,

I'm not sure from what you wrote if you have taken borax for 4 weeks or 5 days, but 5 days is not enough time to deal with arthritis. Do you have an actual diagnosis of a type of arthritis? There are other reasons for joint pain, not just arthritis.

Which joints specifically, hurt you and is it constant or almost constant pain? You do not say how long you have had this joint pain, but if it has been awhile, it can take longer to feel results. In the case of long standing joint pain, it can take 3 to 4 months to see maximum benefit, but at 4 weeks, there would normally be at least some benefit.

You say,

' Not that much improvement '

and that sounds like there is some small amount of improvement and that would be normal in the second week of borax for many people. If it is just 5 days of borax, then you seem on track, but the length of time on borax is not clear to me.

Are you taking a statin drug such as Atorvastatin or Simvastatin? It would be helpful if you gave more information.

Lastly, let's double check exactly what you are taking. You should be taking one quarter teaspoon (US measuring spoons) of borax in one liter or quart of water each weekday which should be a total of 1 1/4 teaspoons total per week. A quarter teaspoon is equivalent to about 980 mg of borax total per weekday with weekends off to make it easier to remember.

Art

Replied by Mike V
(Des Moines, Ia)
08/20/2020

Hi Art,

I greatly appreciate your advise, I am taking 1/4 teaspoon of borax 5days/week, and I am on my fifth weeks now.

I am 71 years old this problem starts about a year ago, siting and standing up is paifull, but walking on flat floor, I have no problem. I am taking one medication Dilantin for epilepsy since I was 24 years old for prevention plus baby asprin, recently also started to take full spectrum CBD, that doesn't help either.

Thanks,

Mike V

Replied by Art
(California)
08/21/2020
1238 posts

Mike V,

That is helpful information!

The Dilantin you have been taking for decades is well known for causing osteopathy (bone disease), bone fractures and hip pain! If you have mentioned your hip pain to your doctor, he should be aware of the connection and can try and take steps to prevent further damage. Here is a study which discusses this very issue. Note the date of the study is 2015 which means that doctors were aware of this problem well before 2015 because it takes many reports from users before studies are started to investigate and confirm the problem.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4668458/

Another study adding confirmation to the idea that long term use of Dilantin can lead to osteoporosis:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10768830/#:~:text=Anticonvulsant therapy causes changes in, direct effects on bone cells.

Phenytoin is another name for Dilantin. Given that this is different than arthritis, borax may or may not be helpful, but since borax contains boron and boron can be helpful for bone issues such as osteoporosis, it may be worth continuing the borax, but it will take longer than the 3 to 4 months I mentioned previously to get measurable benefit. Since you have taken Dilantin for decades, there could potentially be damage to the bones. I know this is not probably what you were hoping to hear, but it may be time to have a talk with your doctor about this adverse event.

Dilantin can also cause problems with teeth.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/dilantin-oral-side-effects-1059294#:~:text=Gingival Overgrowth as a Side Effect of Dilantin (Phenytoin), -By&text=Certain medications used to control, tooth decay, and oral infections.

This article shows how women lost bone density after just one year on Dilantin and you have been on it for decades:

https://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/news/20080429/epilepsy-drug-dilantin-may-speed-bone-loss#1

Given the above, I can only discuss what I would do for myself under similar circumstances as I am not a doctor and can not give medical advice. I would first discuss the situation with my doctor and then I would start taking many of the supplements that are known to improve bone density such as boron/borax, calcium, vitamin K-2, magnesium, vitamin D (to reach the upper half of the reference range of 30~100 ng/ml for 25 OH d serum test), 5 dried prunes per day, zinc, etc.

You may wonder why 5 dried prunes per day? here is the reason :

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/a-daily-serving-of-5-prunes-helps-slow-bone-loss-and-lowers-the-risk-of-osteoporosis-651416643.html#:~:text=Now, scientific research has found, slow and prevent bone loss.&text=Research published in the journal, for a six-month period.

A doctor might want to prescribe Fosamax, but I would shy away from this one due to potential side effects and not always the best outcomes.

So these would be my immediate considerations that I would initially try to see if I can reverse any bone damage and protect the bone that I do have as well as prevent fractures or further bone loss.

Art

Replied by Mike V
(Des Moines, Ia)
08/21/2020

Art,

Thank you so much for great information.

What is your thought about Phenobarbital, instead of Dilantin?

Thanks,

Mike V

Replied by Art
(California)
08/22/2020
1238 posts

Mike V,

Unfortunately, Phenobarbital has a similar effect on bones as outlined here :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383529/#:~:text=Many studies have shown a, phenobarbital, carbamazepine, phenytoin).

If I had no other options for myself, I would delve into the supplements that I had planned on taking as mentioned in my last reply to you, to try and counter the negative effects of this class of drugs and try to improve my bone integrity that way.

Art


Borax
Posted by Cpn (Somewhere Usa) on 08/19/2020
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Hello Team Earthclinic,

I have had pain in my left big toe for many years now. I have looked at the most common causes and honestly can not figure out what it might be. It hurts in the top knuckle of the toe and then down to the tip. Think about if you balled up your hand to make a fist the knuckle down to the tip.

It always felt like it needed to pop but no matter how hard it was pulled on it just would not pop. I have been taking a good bit of Borax in my morning coffee and a few weeks ago I was able to get that knuckle to pop. It hurt so bad and actually left a small bruise above the knuckle. Some days it hurts really bad and some days I hardly notice it.

It has begin recently to pop on its on and does not hurt as bad as it did the first time it popped. It mostly pops once after I wake and I stretch.

Just wondering if maybe the Borax is finally loose in up what ever is wrong with it. I have an x-ray scheduled but am avoiding hospitals at this time. I also take Black Strap Molasses on that cup of coffee and some coconut oil.

If it's gout or arthritis it sure has taken the Borax a long time to work. I am thinking it is an old injury such as turf toe or broken toe or the Hallux Rigidus. It does stay swollen in that knuckle and the bone falls slightly protruded up.

But the popping that it is doing now seems like it might work it's way back to normal.

Replied by Art
(California)
08/19/2020
1238 posts

It may be possible to speed the process up by also soaking the offending toe in a mild borax solution.

Art


Borax
Posted by Mudassar (Lahore) on 03/30/2019

Hello everybody. Will someone let me know if we should stop other medicines which we use to treat arthritis if I am using borax as a treatment?


Borax
Posted by Jimmy (Nj, Usa ) on 01/19/2017
5 out of 5 stars

I've been taking borax daily in a cup of tea ( 1/3 teaspoon ) to help with my joints ..I used to wake up in morning and have my knees clicking my wrist sore. Been about half year, I hardly feel any aching joints. All clicking is gone.


Borax
Posted by Russ (Whangarei, New Zealand) on 04/12/2016
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

I found that borax eliminated my feet (both) pain of at least 4 years duration (caused, I think by many years standing on concrete floors at work) other joints were also becoming painful. I built slowly (over 4 weeks) until my dose was a half teaspoon per day. However I've stopped as I couldn't sleep. I felt good at first but could only sleep for perhaps one hour per night. I was exhausted. I waited a month then started the whole regime again. Same result, no pain but no sleep either.

Replied by Nanowriter
(Hotspot, Tx)
04/12/2016

Russ, try taking ornithine when you take the borax. It is supposed to mop up the toxins from the dead micro organisms. It works for me. I take about 3 of the now brand capsules about 8 o clock pm and then another 4 right before bed. The insomnia is noticeable if I don't take them.

Replied by Namaw
(Bama)
04/13/2016

I tried the ornithine for my insomnia and took 3 of the now capsules--nothing. Until the next day, when the diarrhea started. My ibs-d is so awful, now I've had the runs since Saturday. Watch out how much of this stuff you take--it may react badly.

Ngh
(Ferndale)
04/14/2016

Namaw - have your tried activated charcoal tablets for your ibs-d? They help my husband a lot. He takes 4 tablets at breakfast and bedtime and it has reduced his ibs-d symptoms.


Boron

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 02/05/2016

HI U BIRDS DOIN, , , , , , , , , , , , , just got Dr. Shallenberger's medical letter and lo and behold he is saying you need boron to get rid of joint pain.

No , he did not say take Borax as we do here at EC, but he did find that Boron is needed to relieve pain along with other stuff. Most other medical folks say that boron is toxic. He is an integrative doctor and does not speak for the establishment. He is one of my heroes because of Ozone and other things he has brought forth.

Anyway, it appears that the folks on this site are a few years ahead of some doctors. I have been taking Aleve for for my back pain and will now switch to borax. As most on this site know, I's smart, jus slow.

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