Medical Alerts

Medical Alerts

Posted by PR (Houston, Texas) on 06/12/2009

Urgent : Below are two links with information on and links for protecting our right for self quarantine and protecting us against mandatory vaccinations. Please take time to protect our freedom.

2. State and Federal Laws allow choice of forced vaccination or incarceration in prisons or camps making it ESSENTIAL to demand the right to self-quarantine


Posted by T (Maryland, USA) on 04/05/2009

Things That Make You Go Hmm

Department of Health and Human Services Approves Fictitious Medical Device Review Board Led by a Dead Dog

"(NaturalNews) Just how trustworthy are medical review boards that review and approve medical devices? In a Government Accountability Office (GAO) sting, investigators were able to invent and register a fictitious review board with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), complete with a fictitious panel of doctors and a canine president named "Truper Dawg" (named after a real pet dog that had long since passed away).
But that's not all: To check out the credibility of existing Independent Review Boards (IRBs), the GAO invented a fictitious medical product called Adhesiabloc -- an adhesive gel used as a kind of "stomach superglue" following surgery. A proposal to begin a clinical trial of this adhesive gel on humans was submitted to an FDA-recognized IRB company, and the company approved it! This, despite the fact that the clinical trial called for pouring one liter of this adhesive gel into the stomach of patients."

Posted by Earth Clinic (USA) on 02/02/2009

Traffic Noise Causes Heart Attacks:

"People living in residential areas with high levels of noise from road traffic appear to suffer more heart attacks than people living in quieter neighborhoods, according to a new study by researchers at the Swedish medical university Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.

Goran Pershagen, who led the study, said 1571 people from the Stockholm area who had suffered heart attacks between 1992 and 1994 were compared with a control group from the same area. The addresses of all the individuals were indentified and the level of noise estimated.

Exposure to air pollution and other heart attack risk factors were also gathered using questionnaires and interviews, the researchers said. Once people with impaired hearing or exposure to other sources of noise had been eliminated from the study, the researchers found that there was a 40 percent higher risk of a heart attack in people exposed to traffic noise exceeding 50 decibels - a relatively quiet level of noise; heavy traffic is usually measured at between 80 and 90 decibels.

"More research will be needed to establish a definite correlation between road traffic noise and [heart attacks], but our results are supported by other studies showing the cardiovascular effects of noise," Pershagen said.

The possible link between noise and heart attacks should be taking into account when planning new roads and residential areas, he added. The study was published in the journal Epidemiology."

Posted by PR (Houston, Texas) on 01/10/2009

Maintain Freedom to Purchase Vitamins, Minerals & Herbs

This one is easy and fast just click on the link below and it will take you to Obama's site to voice your opinion on being able to purchase vitamins and herbs, and not water down versions. Next click on the blue box (Of The People, By the People) submit your thoughts. If this is important to you please share this with others.

Click on this link:

You will be connected to a page on the site where a blue box headlined "Of the people, by the people" urges you to click in and submit your ideas. Colleague Jan Schwartz, LMT, a past chair of the Commission on Massage Therapy Accreditation, shared that he has seen evidence that the ideas don't fall into a void. Obama staffers are known to actually respond. Go and contribute! More on the Obama grassroots strategy is available at this Washington Post article.

Replied by Joyce
Joelton, Tn
512 posts
5 out of 5 stars

Thanks to JL for the alert on using "change the government site" to click on. I just left it and it is simple to use. I urge everyone that wants to retain the privilege of having a site like EC and its helpful information, as well as the privilege of being able to read about and buy the safer alternatives of vitamins, minerals, supplements and herbals to voice their opinions there very quickly. The route the FDA is taking now could even conceivably be used to abolish internet sites like EC or the

Now is the time to arise and sing out & let your desires be known.

Moldy Coffee Imports

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 04/02/2017

HI U GOOD PEOPLE DOIN,,,,,, most on EC work their tales off to try and stay healthy while our U. S. government allows the moldy coffee to come in. I just learned this today and am pissed. So far I've contacted Life Extension and Community Coffee and ask them to send me a test of their coffee. Will not ask a test from the big boys because the are the guilty parties. It's the $ they are interested in. Moldy is cheaper.

This makes me want to cry. I try my best to eat right, only to be done in by our corrupt government. Would grow my own coffee if I could. I learned this today watching a Dr. Marcola U Tube interview.

Excuse my rant, but that's the way I am ......


Replied by Ian Noelle
Franklin, Tn

Hey, Robert Henry. Perhaps you could find a local farmer who roasts coffee beans obtained from a clean, mold-free source. I've got one here in middle Tennessee that I meet up with once a week. Try asking around at your farmer's markets. Keep your hand to the plow and don't give up! You are an inspiration.

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile, Tn

HI U GOOD PEOPLE DOIN,,,,,, may have to walk my rant back as our politicians do when they get caught with their britches down. On further inquiry it appears that we are on our own, just like when we buy peanuts. The situation is far more complex than I realized, but I did learn that caffeine itself prevents mold. So the literature says you are better off with full caffeine coffee as far as mold is concerned.

I would apologize for stirring the pot, but sometimes you 'bout asleep and need a jolt. The situation still bothers me. Not to worry as we have robots replacing us and the only way us humans will exist is to live like our Great, Great, Gand Paw did, and that is off the land.

ATS ====ORH====

Replied by Janet

Robert Henry I live and breathe mold education. I belong to facebook groups. They will make your hair stand on end.

I have been referred to by moderators and administrators as many things. "Watch taking advice from people you would deem...The crazy witch that lives down the street" my personal favorite.

At least you can fix your coffee issues pretty simply, I think. It probably is not the Mercola way. Yet it seems pretty satisfactory for home purposes.

Run vinegar through your machine. Then run a 5% solution through of white ammonia and water. Then a water run through. Then my coffee water or my completed pot of coffee ( in the case of a Bunn coffee pot) gets 1 scant drop of white ammonia. I used to make Teds ammonium chloride, but I found a clean, extra other chemicals, free brand here.

I am on the floor from any mold exposure and must be diligent. The coffee machine itself can develop mold. Kureig (sp) is out completely. They have opened enough of them to lambasting amounts of mold after use.

We are a 3 shift family of six. Coffee goes on 24 hours a day. Not all the family has my mold problems. We all drink it. I based it on Teds internal mold remedies. Janet

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile , Tn

HI U GOOD PEOPLE DOIN,,,,,,, as all know I squeeze the pig until I get the last squeal. Well, I found a company that runs a rigorous mold test on their coffee beans. Some how or nother, I violated an EC rule because that post was not published. Not a deal. What I have learned is that you contact the individual coffee suppliers and they will produce that test or tell you to " Trust them". So we are where I know where to buy mold free coffee and you don't. That is called TOUGH SHIDSKEY. "Have a good day", which is Southern for ...... Go to............


EC: Hi ORH, you attached .pdfs to your previous post and they would not upload to our database. If you can turn them into .jpgs we can post them. Or send us a url to the .pdf.

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile, Tn


HI BIRDS DOIN,,,,,,,,,, have used this organic coffee before, but it was for coffee enema's because you need organic for that deal. After much study, it seems that you need to drink good coffee also....... least the mycotoxins will consume you. They sent a bunch of South Georgia folks to the pen a few years back for selling moldy peanuts, but I've never heard of our Gov going after the moldy coffee people. Guess they just go after Redneck farmers.

Anyways, we have decided to pay the price and buy Life Extension's organic whole coffee beans. They can be bought on Amazon and others, but the best price is from Life Extension. Will do whole beans because the smaller any product is, the faster it deteriorates .

Hope I've not violated any of EC's rules......... far be it from me to violate a rule. I try to live at the foot of the cross. Just hope my ditty has sparked an electron or two in your grey matter.

ATS ======ORH=======

Replied by Barbara
Aiken, South Carolina
23 posts

Is this the coffee named Rich Rewards?

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile , Tn

YEP, BARBARA, that's the one.


Replied by Barbara
Aiken, South Carolina
23 posts

Thanks, Robert Henry. This topic almost made me give up coffee. It's kind of like picking weevils out of flour I guess, but at least you don't eat the weevils.

Monsanto Protection Act

Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 09/20/2013 2109 posts

Stop the Monsanto Protection Act:

North Carolina's Bill to Criminalize Natural Medicine

Posted by Sasha (Asheville, Nc) on 04/05/2011

Is everyone aware of this bill that they just managed to delay today? This is unbelievable!! Please tell everyone you know in NC to oppose it.

Replied by Francisca
Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France

This is going on everywhere, the restriction on natural medicine and supplements started here in Europe on April 1st and.... Just it was not a joke! Not only a lot of supplements will be banned, others have to have such expensive licenses and trials that they will disappear anyway and the quantities of vitamin and minerals in supplements will be so small that it is no use taking them anyway! I don't know much about the restrictions on the treatments but they exist as well. I think that the goal is to get rid of anything natural.

Replied by Jima
Ocean View, Delaware

I hope you meant H. G. Wells

Replied by Lisa
Rabat, Morocco

Actually it was George Orwell ;)

Replied by Susan
San Francisco, Ca - Usa

Hello Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France. I was wondering if there are any protests going on in Europe regarding the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive (TMPD)? Europe is so much older than America and I'm really shocked that the corporations have gotten away with this. Are the authorities talking about outlawing an individuals right to make their own traditional medicines for their own use or the giving away of it to freinds or neighbors? Thanks So Much

Replied by Francisca
Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France

Hi Susan, San Francisco, I was dreading the 1st of April but we have just come back from Holland where I went to a very good health food shop and they were still selling a lot of supplements. I have the feeling that a lot have disappeared as small firms were not in a state to pay for tests and registration but there are still enough supplements around. It seems that there were many protests when they wanted to do it years ago so it didn't happen, only when they died out the law was passed without people even knowing about it. A lot of laws are passed that way nowadays, unfortunately. When you hear about it it is too late to do anything. I know that people have been writing to their MEP (Members of the European Parliament), I did too but it didn't help, well, it hardly ever does. I think that protesting, at least peaceful protest doesn't help here anymore. Even violent ones don't help, they wait for them to die out, throw a number of people in prison to teach the other ones a lesson and that's it. People are too buy trying to live their lives and too afraid of the consequences.

I think that you can make your own medicine and give it to someone else, they have no way of knowing but till a little while ago, here in France, it was forbidden to make nettle juice to treat your farm or your garden, which is cheap and very good, or to give the recipe to someone else. Now it is still forbidden to use it in a farm but you can use it in your garden. That smells like repression to me.... Only so that big corporations make more profits making stuff which hurts us and the environment! They also want to outlaw many health practitioners if they don't pay high registrations fees, let's see what happens. The few we have around here seem to be working so far....... The other day I advised a book here called The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy, I will post a little review in the book section soon. Maybe of interest to some of you...... I don't know where I would be without my supplements!

Replied by Debbie
Melbourne, Australia

Francisca, what I am doing is learning about herbs, many of which are found growing near us in the garden or in parks or the side of the road (as weeds). Our ancestors went to nature for cures of illnesses. We need to do the same.

Replied by Stacey
Greensboro, Nc

Hi everyone,

I'm a nonpracticing herbalist in North Carolina, and I wanted to give you an update on NC Senate Bill 31(AN ACT TO CLARIFY THE PENALTY FOR THE UNAUTHORIZED PRACTICE OF MEDICINE).

Because there has been such a protest, the bill has been amended to exempt alternative medicine practitioners. For the time being, we can still practice.

I do believe that the bill wan't meant to attack alternative practitioners, but rather to counter the unlicensed cosmetic surgery clinics that have caused a few deaths in NC. Basically, people were going to get what they thought were "botox" injections and ended up dying. Also, remember that NC is in the middle of the "Bible Belt, " and that bill would have made faith healers felons. Considering the "religiousity" of conservative NC culture, the bill would have harrassed the constituency of many government officials.

That being said, we still have to see how these bills are supported:

SB 467 Naturopathic Licensing Act
HB 522 Midwifery Licensing Act (currently in the House Health & Human Services Committee)
HB 847 Naturopathic Doctors Licensing Act

Replied by Francisca
Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France

Hi Debbie, that sounds great but I am always afraid to use any herbs or berries growing in the wild as many plants look like each others. Nowadays we eat quite a lot of dendelion, for example, but I wouldn't collect it from my garden. A friend of mine does but I am afraid. Silly maybe but you only need to make a mistake and it can kill you. A short while ago I pointed out to my husband what seemed like flat leaf parsley growing in the garden of our rented house. As I knew that they used to grow some vegetables because I found the lables I thought that it really was parsley but my husband pointed out that it is some other herb which is not edible so..... Be careful!

I still hope the world will change and all this repression will one day end so that we can choose what we want to heal ourselves. For the time being a person like me, who mostly uses natural therapies and supplements will be insured, pay a lot of money but make little use of it while paying everything else on the side. My husband who goes mostly for main stream medicine doesn't use his natural allowance at all but he can't pass it on to me and as it is rather small most of what I take I have to pay myself! Not fair......

Replied by Susan
San Francisco, Ca - Usa

Hi Francisca in Alsace - I read somewhere that the law went into effect April 1st but wouldn't be implemented until May 1st. Odd, that.

Replied by Debbie
Melbourne, Australia

Hi Francisca, yes you have to be very careful. But in the meantime you could buy herbs from reputable stores or online businesses. I am also buying seeds. I have some wonderful herb books. I read all the time. Many herbs can be used in a tea and you can get many benefits from them. If I read about herbs I don't really know about I google the name and click on "images" and it brings up all the photographs of the herb. Great for checking what they look like.

Replied by Debbie
Melbourne, Australia

Stacey, you may want to google "Codex Alimentaris Danger". They want to ban nutritional supplements and organic food. You won't be able to grow organic food in your own garden! Please research.

Replied by Francisca
Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France

Susan, San Francisco, you know more than I do..... Let's wait for May 1st then.....

Debbie from Melbourne, could you maybe add a few reviews of the books you have been reading to the book page? That could be very interesting for a lot of us! I will look up the Codex Alimentaris Danger. Could it really be true that they want to outlaw even organic farming in your own garden? I can hardly believe it...... But then, as I said before, they outlawed here making nettle juice even to use in your garden and giving the recipe to anybody. That has changed now for private use but is still prohibited in farms, maybe because it is efficient and cheap?

Replied by Stacey
Greensboro, Nc

Hi Debbie-I'm aware of the Codex Alimentarius. It is scary--I've moved heavily into regional wildcrafting in case the worst happens. Luckly, I live in a richly biodiverse area. Let's see them try to eradicate poke weed, dandelion, and chickweed ;)

Replied by Debbie
Melbourne, Australia

Stacey, yes I agree they can't eradicate weeds so we need to learn about weeds (even go seed collecting from weeds in the wild that haven't had pesticide on them). There are some good websites about "survival" Some weeds have amazing vitamins, health benefits. A good way to get vitamins from the "weeds" is to juice them, although I haven't done that yet.

Replied by Lily
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

Hi Debbie, like Francisca also asked, could you please give us some of the title's of the best Herb books you have, like and recommend! Thanks Lily.

Replied by Lisa
Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa

Hi Francisca and Lily, I just wanted to respond to your request about wild foods and herbs. Last year I did a lot of studying on it and went on a few wild food hikes in our area which were really awesome.

I wanted to tell you that if you go on youtube, there's a really great guy who teaches you extensively about wild foods and even how to prepare them. His channel is called Eat The Weeds on youtube and you can watch tons of episodes. Also there's a guy name Markus Rothkranz and he did a dvd series called Free Food And Medicine which I think if you google it, you will find it. He's a very interesting guy and I had the opportunity to hear him speak here in LA. He was a very sickly child and adult that transformed himself w/ wild foods and raw foods.

Both of these suggestions will teach you a whole lot on wild foods. When I was on my road to restore my health, we juiced everyday and added in weeds from our yard. They are so powerfully restorative if you know what you're choosing! Best to you both!

Replied by Debbie
Melbourne, Australia

One book I would recommend is "How can I be prepared with Self-Sufficiency and Survival Foods, Isabell Shipard". There are 16 pages of edible weeds.

Here is a good link to a survival website will some good books. These relate to Australia but I am sure some weeds are global. Excellent website.

Petition to Save Bees

Posted by Claudia (Los Feliz, California) on 07/20/2013

I am telling my friends and family to sign this petition from ASAP!

"Dear friends,

Across the USA, millions of bees are dying, threatening our food supply. Scientists blame one group of pesticides some of which have just been banned in Europe. A new bill could save America's bees, but big Agriculture and the pesticide industry are lobbying hard against it. We only have days to make sure Congress acts to stop the Chemical Armageddon -- sign the emergency petition now!

Quietly, across the USA, millions of bees are dying, threatening our crops and food. A new bill this week could ban one group of deadly pesticides and save bees from annihilation, but only if Congress feels the sting of public opinion.

America's bees are facing a chemical Armageddon -- just last week, 50, 000 died in a single car park in Oregon after being exposed to pesticides, and last winter over 50% of all California's bees died. Leading scientists blame one group of pesticides called neonicotinoids. The evidence is so compelling that the entire European Union has begun banning them, and the Save America's Pollinators Act could impose a ban on these deadly poisons in the US.

Now it's up to us to get our politicians to save America's bees. Big Agriculture and powerful chemical companies like Bayer are already lobbying hard to stop the bill, but if we show an overwhelming public support for a ban, we can counter their influence. Sign the petition below and tell everyone -- when we reach 250, 000 signers, we'll take Avaaz's giant inflatable bee to Capitol Hill to tell Congress to save our bees:

Bees don't just make honey, they are vital to life on earth, every year pollinating 95 types of fruits such as avocados, almonds, apples, and that's just the A's -- with an estimated $30bn value. Without immediate action to save bees, many of our favorite fruits, vegetables, and nuts could vanish from our shelves.

Recent years have seen a steep and disturbing global decline in bee populations -- some bee species are already extinct and some US species are at just 4% of their previous numbers. Scientists have been scrambling for answers. Some studies claim the decline may be due to a combination of factors including disease, habitat loss and toxic chemicals.

But increasingly, independent research has produced strong evidence blaming neonicotinoid pesticides, forcing the European Union to temporarily suspend use of one or more of these bee killers. But, in the US, the EPA has been slow to react -- their review won't be completed until 2018 condemning our bees to 5 more years of chemical Armageddon.

This issue is now coming to the boil as major new studies have confirmed the scale of this problem, and Representatives Blumenauer and Conyers have introduced legislation. If we can get other members of Congress to act, we could shut down once and for all Bayer's influence on policy-makers and scientists. The real experts -- the beekeepers and farmers -- want these deadly pesticides prohibited until and unless we have solid, independent studies that show they are safe. Let's support them now. Sign the urgent petition to Congress now, then forward this email:

We know we can win on bees. Last April, over 2. 5 million of us signed a petition calling on the EU to adopt a ban on bee killing pesticides and won! And in the US, nearly a million of us persuaded the EPA to review their position on these poisons. Now let's go one step further towards saving bees!

With hope,

Iain, Luis, Anne, Alex, Allison, Ricken, and the whole Avaaz team

Preventive Health Site

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 08/24/2015

HI U OLE PATOOTS DOIN, , , , , , , , , , ,

Got some troubles and it's got me to thinking after reading Mark's post about Borax and it's benefits and tribulations. Folks come to this site to learn about specific solutions to their problems, but I got another idea. Why don't we all get together and inform healthy folks how to stay healthy and avoid these trials and tribulations. I have a few ideas and most of you do also. I have tried to do this with my garden posts. It all begins with what you eat.

We all know about ACV, Borax, H2O2, Colloidal Silver, Magnesium, Water, Sweat, Sleep, Alkaline, Exercise , Breathing, Lymph flow, Detoxing, Cleansing, Baking Soda , and many, many others that will avoid illness. Let's tell these stories.

I bet Sweet Thang, Deirdre, would jump on this with both feet. We need a health site for folks to inform their neighbors how to avoid all these ailments we constantly talk about. Do these things and stay healthy. Then if stuff happens, this site will help them. First, lets change our mission.

I say all this because I constantly try to get our kids and grand children to do things to avoid health problems. EC has not done that and I think it's time. Let's get this site into a pro-active mode instead of being re-active only.

I can tell you that Mama to Many tries hard to keep her kids healthy, as do all. We just need to change our priorities. I bet folks will buy in.

OUT OF SPIT =====ORH=========

Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe

Good luck on this, ORH, but many of us have even family members who won't listen or try a "natural" remedy.

Replied by Green Augustine
Mold, Denbighshire
39 posts


Thats a great idea! It's all about education and knowledge but I guess the big Pharmas and food producers prefer us to be ignorant! I love reading - and came across Dr Franz Meyr, an Austrian doctor who died in 1965 and was really shocked at what he saw- doctors prescribing only for illness and never for good health. Here in Britain I believe medical students study 5 hours of nutrition in a 6 year course!!! Go figure as they say! In 'The Magnesium Miracle' by Dr Carolyn Dean, she quotes a speaker from the National Institute of Health - their " guidelines on RDA for nutrients is only to prevent deficiency diseases like scurvy etc and .... NIH has no interest in supplements for the prevention and treatment of disease. " Well, I guess that sort of says it all.

And it is sad to read some people on this site who want help for families and yet know the family will reject any non " medical" interventions however much positive evidence there is to support them. When I was at school back in the 60s, we had a 3 hour weekly lesson on what was called Domestic Science where we learnt all the different food categories as in protein, vitamins etc and which foods contained what. We also had to plan and cook a well balanced healthy and economical meal, usually 2 courses, every week which we then took home for our families. This programme lasted from when I was 11 to 16 years old so was a very good base knowledge and fired up my interest in food and nutrition, ( and later organic vegetable/ fruit gardening). But now that doesn't happen, they just have to learn to design a food poster or make a pizza with packaged food.

We have come too far from nature sadly but it sounds like you really love your garden and grow some interesting stuff! What do you do with the peanuts once you've boiled them?? Not that I can grow them here in the hills of beautiful North Wales, but I'm curious. I always reads your posts as you come across as really positive and I always end up smiling. So thanks for that. And I do hope your fight with your health goes well and you're winning! I think this site is brilliant and there are quite a few posts suggesting what has helped people stay healthy too. But so many people are frightened of challenging their doctor's ideas and, over here at least, few doctors are happy if you tell them what you've read or discovered that differs from the established theory about different ailments, they seem to prefer you to be dumb and compliant ( although some of them are open minded).

Are you suggesting that there could be a section in EC called something like " how to stay healthy" as well as all the help for ailments? I think so many people are confused by what's on sale in the supermarkets and touted as healthy when it's just processed junk But there are also lots of people now questioning what's being described as healthy and trying to learn what is. Let's hope that just continues to grow, like your peanuts:-}. Ps What is a patoot?

Supplement Alerts

Posted by Cindy (Illinois, Usa) on 07/26/2016 202 posts

Just a notice that some quite trusted "natural" brands for herbs and herbal preparations are now partnered with or have actually been purchased by pharmaceutical companies. Pay attention! Make your own stuff when you can!

Supplement and Natural Therapy Ban in Europe

Posted by Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 01/24/2011

For those living in Europe interested in doing their bit against the natural therapies and supplements ban here are a couple of petitions you can sign:

Http:// if you scroll down you find the translation in English


Not all is lost yet....

Replied by Francisca
Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France

There aren't many Europeans on this site but for those who live somewhere in the EU maybe this will be of interest. This is a letter in English directed to an MEP in Brussels, Mr. Dalli, you only have to print it, signand send. If you want to make some changes or add something you can, of course!

On the site you can read more about the campaign!

Supplement Interactions

Posted by Oscar (Syracuse, New York) on 01/19/2014

Are You Pill Popping Your Way to Poor Health? Adverse drug interactions are the 4th leading cause of DEATH in the USA. What is the difference between a drug and a supplement? None. The designation drug or supplement is totally arbitrary. Both tend to be compounds that have potent effects on a person`s body. The problem is: Many if not most people fail to consider how the different supplements interact with each other. Many seem to believe the more you toss into the mix the better. For one thing: They ALL have to be processed by the liver, Also, mixing even two of the wrong ones together can cause severe problems. The more reactants you mix together the more unpredictable the results....Oscar

Replied by Prioris

Saying there is no difference between a drug and a supplement is absurd. When the term drug is used, it is assumed to be prescription. Supplements don't have any history of causing death unless they are taken with prescription medications the wrong way. Death would be a rarity if at all unless it is mixed with prescription drugs. Prescription drugs are the real root of the death toll.

I think the biggest risk of taking supplements the wrong way is lack of absorption causing lack of effectiveness.

I've seen a few people just mindlessly gobble down supplements and they haven't the faintest idea what they are doing. Knowing the active ingredient, the required dose, when is best time and empty stomach or with food are the important things to know. Blindly doing what it says on the bottle is another mistake. Some people need to be hand held through the process while others take on the responsibility.

Replied by Tony
Tn, Usa

So, are you guys trying to say that all the different supplements and remedies from a protocol like Bill has here at EC for candida is just a bad thing similar to taking too many prescription meds? Bill's protocol, for instance, on candida involves taking numerous supplements along with candida attacking remedies including the alkalizing remedies.

I take several of the suggested supplements from his protocol. I don't take all of the remedies to kill the candida but trust me it's a lot to keep up with for sure. However, Bill has cured his own sickness by taking these very things including quite a few supplements. If these supplements wasn't needed I'm sure he wouldn't suggest them.

I trust what Bill provides here at EC more than anybody else. It's not that I don't trust anybody else. He just has proven to know what he's talking about. Supplements are much much more safer than prescription meds. For anybody to say they aren't has gotten bad information. Thanks & God Bless!

Replied by Mike62

Tony: E.C. is good because we are all trying to function at peak performance. We do not let dogma confine us to an intellectual prison. Oscar has a good point. There are many videos of people who have recovered not taking a single supplement. Raw organic produce has special water, dozens of nutrients, and hundreds of cofactors. Supplements do not. Master herbalists all over the world recommend 5:1 extracts, not isolates. Ron Teagarden does not put a single isolate in his all in one formula. Bill is a good man who cares for people and enjoys good success. Sometimes supplements are beneficial. I put 200mg L-Theanine in 1 cup of coffee and sip all day long. This gives me a calm energy and cognitive brain that the most expensive super foods do not.

Replied by Timh
Ky, Usa
2109 posts

There is a world of difference between all natural supplements and pharmaceutical drugs, and every one's body recognizes this immediately upon use. Almost all pharmaceutical drugs are technically considered Zenobiotics, that is they are "foriegne" substances. This is why almost all pharm meds have many bad side effects. The human body simply cannot properly function under the radical chemical presence. This is why the experiment and trial phase of getting a new drug approved for human use is very extensive resulting in only a small portion of originally designed drugs ever making it to market; the bad side effects are often to severe for approval.

Most natural substances and supplements are all recognized by the body as "natural" and are thus safe and easily metabolized.

Now, as natural supplements are usually concentrates, one must learn how to properly use them for maximum effect. Every supplement comes labeled w/ "suggested use" so it is advised to follow those recommends.

Tattoo Toxins

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn.) on 07/13/2016

HI U GOOD FOLKS DOIN,,,,,,,,,,,,, oldest granddaughter visited us last week. She is almost 24 and has been from can to can't. She had a basketball scholarship to a college and quit after one year. She is the typical millennial. When in HS she got a tattoo and that caused me grief, but I let is pass. On this visit she went down our water slide as she did 20 years ago. What I learned is that now she has numerous tattoos. We discussed the toxins in tattoos and I cautioned her to not get any more.

When she left, I researched the toxin effect of tattoos. It is not good.

I know we were dumb when young, but I don't think we were as dumb as what's now coming down the pike.

============= ORH ===========

Vegetable Oils

Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines)
1 out of 5 stars


Here is an extract from a long article laden with research data that runs through the history, corruption and propaganda that has been put out -- and is still being put out -- by sections of the US food vegetable oil industry as well as the FDA, concerning how healthy vegetable oils are for us in our diets. This extract, from a long article, is by Mrs Mary Enig, Phd, a famous researcher in nutrition. As Ted from Bangkok has already said, polyunsturated vegetable oils, whether chemically processed or not are simply not good for us. This extract also does not describe the effects of trans fats in margarine etc, but does describes the many other bad effects of especially rancid and oxidized vegetable oils:

Dangers of polyunsaturates(veg oils)

"The irony is that these trends have persisted concurrently with revelations about the dangers of polyunsaturates. Because polyunsaturates are highly subject to rancidity, they increase the bodyâ€TMs need for vitamin E and other antioxidants. Excess consumption of vegetable oils is especially damaging to the reproductive organs and the lungs—both of which are sites for huge increases in cancer in the US. In test animals, diets high in polyunsaturates from vegetable oils inhibit the ability to learn, especially under conditions of stress; they are toxic to the liver; they compromise the integrity of the immune system; they depress the mental and physical growth of infants; they increase levels of uric acid in the blood; they cause abnormal fatty acid profiles in the adipose tissues; they have been linked to mental decline and chromosomal damage; they accelerate aging. Excess consumption of polyunsaturates is associated with increasing rates of cancer, heart disease and weight gain; excess use of commercial vegetable oils interferes with the production of prostaglandins leading to an array of complaints ranging from autoimmune disease to PMS. Disruption of prostaglandin production leads to an increased tendency to form blood clots, and hence myocardial infarction, which has reached epidemic levels in America.

Vegetable oils are more toxic when heated. One study reported that polyunsaturates turn to varnish in the intestines. A study by a plastic surgeon found that women who consumed mostly vegetable oils had far more wrinkles than those who used traditional animal fats. A 1994 study appearing in the Lancet showed that almost three quarters of the fat in artery clogs is unsaturated. The “artery clogging” fats are not animal fats but vegetable oils.

Those who have most actively promoted the use of polyunsaturated vegetable oils as part of a Prudent Diet are well aware of their dangers. In 1971, William B. Kannel, former director of the Framingham study, warned against including too many polyunsaturates in the diet. A year earlier, Dr. William Connor of the American Heart Association issued a similar warning, and Frederick Stare reviewed an article which reported that the use of polyunsaturated oils caused an increase in breast tumors. And Kritchevsky, way back in 1969, discovered that the use of corn oil caused an increase in atherosclerosis.

Benefits of saturated fats

Foods containing trans fat sell because the American public is afraid of the alternative—saturated fats found in tallow, lard, butter, palm and coconut oil, fats traditionally used for frying and baking. Yet the scientific literature delineates a number of vital roles for dietary saturated fats—they enhance the immune system, are necessary for healthy bones, provide energy and structural integrity to the cells, protect the liver and enhance the bodyâ€TMs use of essential fatty acids. Stearic acid, found in beef tallow and butter, has cholesterol lowering properties and is a preferred food for the heart. As saturated fats are stable, they do not become rancid easily, do not call upon the bodyâ€TMs reserves of antioxidants, do not initiate cancer, do not irritate the artery walls.

Your body makes saturated fats, and your body makes cholesterol—about 2000 mg per day. In general, cholesterol that the average American absorbs from food amounts to about 100 mg per day. So, in theory, even reducing animal foods to zero will result in a mere 5% decrease in the total amount of cholesterol available to the blood and tissues. In practice, such a diet is likely to deprive the body of the substrates it needs to manufacture enough of this vital substance; for cholesterol, like saturated fats, stands unfairly accused. It acts as a precursor to vital corticosteroids, hormones that help us deal with stress and protect the body against heart disease and cancer; and to the sex hormones like androgen, testosterone, estrogen and progesterone; it is a precursor to vitamin D, a vital fat-soluble vitamin needed for healthy bones and nervous system, proper growth, mineral metabolism, muscle tone, insulin production, reproduction and immune system function; it is the precursor to bile salts, which are vital for digestion and assimilation of fats in the diet. Recent research shows that cholesterol acts as an antioxidant. This is the likely explanation for the fact that cholesterol levels go up with age. As an antioxidant, cholesterol protects us against free radical damage that leads to heart disease and cancer. Cholesterol is the bodyâ€TMs repair substance, manufactured in large amounts when the arteries are irritated or weak. Blaming heart disease on high serum cholesterol levels is like blaming firemen who have come to put out a fire for starting the blaze.

Cholesterol is needed for proper function of serotonin receptors in the brain. Serotonin is the body's natural "feel-good" chemical. This explains why low cholesterol levels have been linked to aggressive and violent behavior, depression and suicidal tendencies. Motherâ€TMs milk is especially rich in cholesterol and contains a special enzyme that helps the baby utilize this nutrient. Babies and children need cholesterol-rich foods throughout their growing years to ensure proper development of the brain and nervous system. Dietary cholesterol plays an important role in maintaining the health of the intestinal wall, which is why low-cholesterol vegetarian diets can lead to leaky gut syndrome and other intestinal disorders.

Animal foods containing saturated fat and cholesterol provide vital nutrients necessary for growth, energy and protection from degenerative disease. Like sex, animal fats are necessary for reproduction. Humans are drawn to both by powerful instincts. Suppression of natural appetites leads to weird nocturnal habits, fantasies, fetishes, bingeing and splurging.
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My own take on saturated fat intake is that since it is now all but impossible to guarantee that animal fats or meat sources used in our western diets like pork, beef and chicken can no longer be guaranteed to be grass fed, in their natural habitat and that their food and water comes from pollution free, unleached soils etc as was the case in the 19th century -- I would always therefore prefer virgin coconut oil as my favourite saturated oil source.

Zika Virus

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 02/03/2016

HI YA'LL, , , , , , , , know you have been following the Chipolte restaurant saga. The CDC can find no e -coli in their foods. Mike Adams suspects that they are being sabotaged by the bio companies because they went to "no GMO foods" and even had in your face advertisements like, " GOMer it ".

Next we have the Zika virus which was a project of the wealthy elites. They released these mosquitoes in Brazil. This just happens to be the site of this summer's Olympics where people from all over the world will be there to take this virus back home. Is this just happen stance?

Here is the health ranger, Mike Adams and his take on this.


Replied by Jan
5 out of 5 stars

Robert Henry thanks for the heads up! I believe you and Mike Adams! I read that his website is one of the publications that really terrifies The Elite!

Just how evil can these people get? I tremble.

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile, Tn

HI U JAN, , , , , , , , I don't know squat, I just read and think critically. That is not good for your health because the folks that live in LaLa land are far happier and live longer. I am a negative person which means that I know a fraud before any one else does. I got this way by my life's experience.

I can be a delightful person, but I have to work at it. Just remember that my political posts on this site are from what I have studied and I think folks truly need to know. Sometimes I'm wrong, but not often.

Just know that I'm an educated Redneck and that makes me spooky. The guy who filled up our LP tank yesterday asked me how I know all this stuff. I told him that I constantly read. It went over his head. That is my admonition to the EC folks. Read and you won't need to ask so many simple questions.

Out of spit. ======ORH=======

Replied by Green Augustine
Mold, Denbighshire
39 posts

Thank you for the link about Zika. As you say, we have no idea if it's just another big business scam. But in 2002 to 2007 I worked part time at a doctors' surgery here in North Wales and the nurses were constantly stocking up the medical fridges with 100s of vaccines for avian flu, pig flu or whatever was flavour of the month. Then we were told that by 2008 there would be a world pandemic of flu, far worse than the 1919 Spanish flu pandemic which is said to have killed millions. We're now in 2016, and still waiting for these catastrophes. Last year my husband was persuaded to have the winter flu jab. He got a persistent cough afterwards which lasted for six months. The same happened with a friend of ours. So keep taking the garlic, chilli, ginger, sambucca, lemon juice or whatever keeps you healthy. Since bacteria were the first life form after the Big Bang, it's pretty unlikely the big Pharmas will find anything to see them off! Thank goodness for sites like this.

Replied by Robert Henry
Ten Mile , Tn

HI U NEIGHBOR TIMH, , , , , , , , , , , , things are getting more interesting concerning the Zika virus. Here is the latest. I won't comment as I got beat about the head and shoulders for that recently. TIMH, what I learned in 40 years in the paper industry is that you cannot spend your way out of a problem, you have to think your way out.

I now know where my back pain is coming after this morning's MRI read out. Will post that later as it makes me feel like a dunce. It is one of my Sheet + 2 = 8 things. Guess I need to work on my obvious dementia problem.

ATS ======ORH======

Replied by Timh
2109 posts


It is clear planet earth has a human population density problem, unfortunately there isn't much money to be made in the department of prevention, so instead we get radical, extreme, and profit driven medicine that is, like the article suggest, shallow on objective science.

Maybe you have "lived & learned" your way up to the cure for your back, and like myself so many times, wish I had the smarts to have learned early on instead of latter.

Maybe it's not too late for healing that you will be able to have a bountiful garden this yr. And as for the minerals we don't get from especially commercial big ag, last yr I sprinkled some Leonardite powder over those bald patches in the yard and it done them well enough to mention. Leonardite is a full spectrum mineral from natural deposits carefully mined and pulverized to a very fine "water flowable" powder. Perhaps you already use advanced fertilizers I don't know, but it is worth mentioning for any gardener for getting high levels of minerals in the crops. I use these minerals orally and in foot & whole body baths as a more cost effective means in comparison to otc Ionic Trace Mineral tabs or caps.

Maybe one day I will get well enough to garden, or maybe take a ride down to the ORH place and offer up my services and ask no more than to be in your & wifey's good company and hospitality, and maybe, if I'm lucky, fill the trunk of my car up with good organic veggies that are so rare on my table. When able, I do go down to our local Mennonite Community for fresh veggies. What fine examples of good faith-filled and strong family life plus the sustainable farming practices. Driving down the road and looking over those immaculate gardens and orchards is a real pleasure. And the womens make up lots of breads, jams, and such for retail. In late autumn they cook down large quantities of the good Blackstrap Molasses so often mentioned & used here on E.C.