Vitamin C Cures and Side Effects

Last Modified on Nov 24, 2014

Vitamin C is the Queen of health supplements, recommended to most everyone as a general health aid, immune system booster, and antioxidant. Scientific studies have indeed found that those who enjoy diets with an above average supply of Vitamin C are less likely to suffer from chronic illness and tend to live longer.

Humans are actually rare in their inability to produce their own supplies of Vitamin C, an ability shared by most plants, animals, and micro-organisms--an indication of the the importance this organic compound, chemically known as L-ascorbate. This water-soluble vitamin is one of the safest and most common dietary supplements. It is exceedingly difficult to consume a toxic dose, since the body will eliminate any excess supply of Vitamin C via the urine. For that reason, many people take Vitamin C supplements daily, even several times a day, especially during cold and flu season, or when they feel an illness coming on.

As you can see in the following Earth Clinic Video on how to make sodium ascorbate at home, we suggest this more alkaline form of Vitamin C as the best way to supplement your daily intake of this important antioxidant.

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Caution: Is There an Excitoxin in Your Supplement?   0  0   

Posted by Earth Clinic on 06/22/2011

The below article was originally published in our June, 2011 e-newsletter.

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by Daniel P. Kray, Senior Editor
Published June 22, 2011

We like Vitamin C for a lot of things, from prevention to post-infection treatment. That's why we're concerned about the popularity of certain hyped Vitamin C products. A natural cold and flu remedy would be great, but what sort of extra baggage is hitching a ride on these packs of Vitamin C supplements? Turns out, a pair of unnecessary ingredients, aspartic acid (or asparagine) and sucralose, are often tagging along. You may have to look into the fine print of the ingredients list, but you'll be surprised at how often they show up.

L-aspartic acid is one of our non-essential amino acids. The body makes it, so we don't need to get it from our diets. We definitely need it for energy creation, nerve function, and a host of other bodily activities. But like most good things, too much can be bad. In excess, aspartic acid becomes an excitotoxin, revving the neurons and nervous system up so high that nerve damage can be a result. In effect, excitotoxins cause our neurons to die from excitement!

In fact, if the facts behind Aspartame make you uncomfortable, aspartic acid is a large part (40%) of the reason. In our bodies, this artificial sweetener breaks down into phenylalanine, methanol, and aspartic acid. Methanol is just plain toxic, but the overdose of amino acids can likewise do great harm. Sucralose (Splenda) is of course much the same thing as Aspartame-an artificial sweetener. This one mostly passes out of the body without being metabolized, but some 15-20% does not pass out of the body immediately. Since sucralose is an organochloride (an organic chlorine compound), many of us are justifiably concerned about the possibility of introducing free chlorine molecules into our bloodstream and tissues. Makes you nostalgic for good old belly-expanding glucose!

Since the liver can produce aspartic acid whenever bodily levels are low, we never experience true aspartic acid deficiencies, so there is no need to get it through supplements. Easy then, we won't take aspartic acid supplements. That is, unless we don't know it's there in our other supplements! Now, weight lifting supplements often contain aspartic acid along with a medley of the other amino acids, so there is an issue there. However, for the Earth Clinic community we're more concerned about products like Ester-C (the brand) and Emergen-C, both of which add aspartic acid to their Vitamin C supplements. Just check out the Other Ingredients on the fine print on this ingredients list to see for yourself.

Products advertised as energy boosters frequently contain aspartic acid, as do whey powder products. Airborne and Super C Vitamin C products do not seem to use aspartic acid (please do not read that as a general endorsement); however, Airborne and Super C do contain sucralose as a sweetener, as do FRS Healthy Energy products.

Additionally, you're likely to find aspartic acid in these products:

  • Various collagen formulas
  • _____ Liquid Aminos
  • Many potassium-magnesium supplements
  • Many folic acid tablets
  • Many lipoic acid supplements
  • Many Nature's Plus products
  • Some Solgar vitamin supplements
  • Some Nutritech supplements

Now, plenty of foods naturally contain aspartic acid as well, and the body is happy to find it there. It is nature-made, not man-made (unlike sucralose). We don't want to alarm anyone, just let you know what you're potentially putting in your body. Toxic levels of this amino acid are definitely possible, so take a look at your supplement labels and make the best choice for your own health.

The following Earth Clinic reader contributions (and a note from Ted) should help you make the decision that is right for you.

Vitamin C and Excitotoxins

Catherine from Seattle, WA writes: "I was fighting a sinus infection last week after landing in California and went to a Whole Foods to get some Vitamin C. I decided to get Emergen-C to add to water because it had a really tempting fruity flavor. Immediately after taking my first packet (which was delicious), I felt a weird sensation in my head and then I got really edgy (as in bad mood edgy). I read the ingredients on the box and sure enough, the vitamin C used in this brand is Aspartic acid, an excitotoxin. The Emergen-C also contained "natural flavors", aka MSG. I waited 24 hours and tried again to see if I would have the same side effects. Again, within a minute of drinking the packet, I got the same sensation in my head. My question is, are you doing more good or harm to the body when you take this form of vitamin c?!!"

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Aspartic acid is a well known excitotoxin and so is monosodium glutamate or MSG. In the long run it's going to destroy the immune system through a neurodegenerative disorder. Once the excitotoxin is destroyed the immune system is down. Now in a pharmaceutical formulation adding this results in the need to take that since you get sicker and so you might feel some relief, the long term is it's going to make a person sicker, which result in greater sales for product with excitotoxins added. Now imagine a child who is a borderline autism, ADHD, these can result in many other neurodegenerative disorders and metabolic acidosis. As for me decades ago I took accidentally soft drinks with aspartame resulting in deafness, but also a permanent partial macular degeneration of the eyes. So the systematic destruction is almost wholesale if given long term use. Luckily Emergen C is not sold in Thailand, although some friends of mine have given me this, I don't take it. I prefer to buy bulk vitamin C and mix them myself. There are other excitotoxins, but aspartic acid, aspartame, monosodium glutamate, and glutamic acid are the most well known...

Therefore most effervescent products sometimes they are not labeled so I ended up calling the factory sometimes. One easy way to measure excitotoxin poisoning is that the urinary pH suddenly become very acid, such as pH 5.5 or lower and even taking more baking soda barely raise the pH long enough to be satisfactory. Such as it can't raise the pH for the entire day. It also takes weeks for the pH to be near normal after taking b complex and baking soda for a week or two. A long term taking of this can also resulted in higher urinary sugar and damaged pancreas, besides damaging the brain. One of the worse advertisement I have seen is Michael J. Fox supporting Diet Pepsi, which contains aspartame, and he himself has Parkinson's disease, which will make such conditions much worse. The remedy is not to take aspartame for Parkinson's disease or to undergo stem cells, since it's not yet legal at the moment and stem cell research has been blocked for at least 8 years. Methylene blue taken at 2 drops at 0.1% concentration might reverse some of the effects of excitotoxins as it is one of my remedies for Parkinson's disease also.

Taking excitotoxins is a long term damage that may lead to degenerative disorders, metabolic acidosis, and lowered immune system. Therefore I would avoid them as best as I can.

Ted"

Supplements Brought on Rage

Wes from Webster, TX writes: "I'm 220 and work out almost everyday. I started taking 2000mg of vitamin C. Ester C tablets. A few days later I noticed I was very easily enraged. I did this for about 4 weeks and decided it wasn't worth it. I recently started taking and animal pack vitamin package. After taking for several days I noticed the same effect. Read the ingredient 2000 mg Vitamin C. So I stopped taking it. Is there anyway to counteract the aggressiveness. IE some other vitamin."

Christine replies: "This afternoon, I visited your site and noted a comment by a reader who said that Ester C made him enraged. It's not the Vitamin C, it's the aspartic acid in the Ester C product. I verified this with an aspartame activist. Aspartic acid is an excitotoxin, a poison that kills brain cells. Yep, it's the same stuff as in aspartame. All of the studies done on Vitamin C were done with sodium ascorbate, which is a type of chemically buffered Vitamin C. It's best to take it as a powder in water, because you can get gastritis if you take too many pills."

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Posted by J
Troutdale, Or, Usa
05/10/2012
Hey, I don't usually post on things like this, however, I just looked at the ester-c bottle (again, because of the article), there is no aspartic acid in it. In fact, there is nothing harmful in it, which is why we purchased it. I do agree with not taking the emergen-c though. It is also beneficial to note that they don't use the healthiest form of B-12 either. It should be Methelcobalamin and not cyanocobalamin. I have researched my like crazy to figure out the B-12 deficiency cure. It's B-12 paste in the nose a couple times a week. Back to vitamin C, it is EXTREMELY beneficial to take at least 10,000mg a day if you have allergies. They will be gone in weeks. My wife's allergy doctor said she was allergic to herself. Ha ha. She became allergic to probably every fruit or vegetable that had any birch pollen on it. We found a site called doctoryourself. Com, and followed his advice about taking vitamin C, and she is cured after only about 3 weeks. Thank you for the opportunity to comment. Be blessed in your efforts to aid in healthy remedies.
Posted by Mary
Portland, Or
05/16/2012
Hi, I looked at the AlacerCorp website FAQ about Emergen-C, and it claims this:

Is aspartic acid the same as aspartame?

  • No, aspartame is a chemically formed sugar substitute that bonds L-phenylalanine to aspartic acid. On the other hand, the aspartic acid which we use in Emergen-C, is an amino acid readily found in foods such as fish, legumes, dairy, whole grains, eggs, meats, nuts, and seeds. We use this pure L-Aspartic Acid which has the same structure as that found in foods.

    I just wanted to throw this out for discussion. The claim above makes it sound like there is nothing to fear from the form of L-Aspartic acid they use, but I'd be interested in hearing more perspectives on this, as I do take Emergen-C. Thanks!

  • How to Make Your Own Vitamin C   1  0   

    Posted by Rebekah (Athens, Ga) on 08/15/2009

    [YEA]  YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN VITAMIN C POWDER!!!! Do this at home and you will know you are taking a high quality supplement straight from the source. Organic citrus fruits have all the good stuff in their pulp and peel.

    -Cut the peels into thin strips and lay them out on cheesecloth, or use a dehydrator to dry out the peels. After a few days, or when fully dry, put the dried peels into a coffee grinder to make into a powder. One spoonfull is said to be all you need for a whole day. Add the powder to your food or drinks, store in an airtight container.

    You can use organic grapefruit, tangerines, oranges, lemons or limes. :-)

    Posted by Susie
    Las Vegas, Nv
    02/12/2010
    I would like to make my own Vitamin C, I was wondering what the shelf life is?
    Posted by Edward
    Nashville, Tn
    10/22/2010
    Hey! Whenever I get sick I take Sodium Ascorbate. I find the best way is in tablet form. Sometimes I'll crack the tablets and dissolve the powder in water. It works great.
    Posted by Robert
    St. John's, Newfoundland And Labrador, Canada
    08/16/2011
    [WARNING!]   Be very careful eating the skin of any citrus most especially lemons. Lemons have five very potent/powerful/extremely dangerous pesticides sprayed on them when shipped. Look at the shipping carton for the list. They are so toxic a person should wash their hands after handling them because the poisons are absorable through the human skin.

    It is virtually imposible to remove the shipping poisons from citrus which is naturally oily and disolves the hydrocarbon based poisons deep into the peel.

    How about the new "grease' sprayed on apples-instant prolonged headaches. Be careful, watch everything you eat.

    Posted by Francisca
    Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France
    08/16/2011
    803 Posts
    The apples I buy in the supermarket nowadays are very greasy and there is no way to get rid of that grease. Do you mean that? I don't understand why they do it, maybe so that insects don't attack them? Eating is more and more becoming a hazardous activity! Sometimes I don't even feel like eating and think: why bother? No wonder we are all ill.....
    Posted by Lily
    Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
    08/17/2011
    91 Posts
    Franscisca, I think that is wax on the apple, but who knows what they put in that. It puts me off too. Lily.
    Posted by Maria
    Gippsland, Australia
    09/13/2011
    159 Posts
    The fruit is coated in wax, petroleum type (or it used to be as it's cheap). This is done to to keep them from dehydrating as they can spend a long time in storage. A lot of us nowadays don't even know when apple season is as we can buy them 12 months of the year.

    Love the idea of the dried organic unwaxed orange peel. As it also contains flavonoids, phytonutrients & Limonin it makes it a nutritious addition to our diet.

    Posted by Michelle
    Hickory, Nc
    05/01/2013
    Thanks for the information, what is all of your opinions on organic fruit? Would the peel be safe to eat? The wax you guys are talking about is on organic apples as well. I take a knife and scrape as much wax off then wash with vinegar before giving to my children.

    Taking Vitamin C in Solution   1  0   

    Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines) on 04/19/2010

    [YEA]  Taking Vitamin C in Solution

    Hi Everyone...With good reason, Ted has long advised that Vit C in the form of Ascorbic Acid should be converted to its Ascorbate form because this form is more alkaline, more absorbable and uses up less bicarbonates from your body's digestive system.

    This means getting out your mortar and pestal, crunching up your Ascorbic acid tablets then adding water and finally adding the baking soda(sodium bicarbonate) -- let it finish fizzing -- then drinking it down.

    I take Vit C most days with lysine and discovered something useful.

    Today, I just filled a glass full of water and plopped in 4 X 500 gm tablets of ascorbic acid. Then I just added 1/4 to 1/2 teasoon of baking soda to it. It fizzed away and dissolved for about three minutes and then the tablets simply disappeared into solution as Sodium Ascorbate -- a bit like Alka-Seltzer !!

    Then I just scraped off the residue of bubbles off the top of the solution (which contains all the insoluble binder additives like mag stearate, calcium Trihosphate, micro-cellulose, starch etc.) and drank it down.

    So, no tablet crunching necessary really.

    Posted by Bill
    San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
    04/20/2010
    802 Posts
    Hi Tina Marie...I usually take this form of Vitamin C (Ascorbate) at least 1 hour before or 2 hours after meals on its own, but you can also take it with meals without problems. This form of Vitamin C -- sodium ascorbate -- is more alkaline than Ascorbic Acid.

    The best way to take ACV is combined with Baking Soda (Arm and Hammer brand), recipe given here:

    Ted's ACV Acid Reflux Remedy

    It seems that you might also have certain food intolerances -- read Ted's remedy suggestions here:

    Food Intolerance Remedies

    Posted by Tina Marie
    Mobile, Alabama, Us
    04/20/2010
    To Bill from San Fernando, I'm new to this website and loving it. Just wanted to know if you drink this on an empty stomach or with food. I have horrible reflux that I'm trying the ACV fix for, and I don't take vitamins because it really flares the reflux. Hoping to fix my stomach and trying to get some new ways that may help me to take vitamins.Thanks so much
    Posted by Lis
    Ny, Ny, Usa
    11/03/2010
    13 Posts
    That was an old rumor. Sodium ascorbate (the alkaline form of vitamin C) is made by mixing two parts sodium ascorbate (an acidic form of vitamin C) with one part baking soda (aka sodium bicarbonate -- which neutralizes the acidity). "*One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0. 477. For example, it would take 477 milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic acid. "
    Source: www.quantumbalancing.com/liposomalC.html

    I have seen some places use more baking soda and that's fine.

    Posted by Ruben
    Bs.as., Argentina
    11/03/2010
    3 Posts
    Hi everyone! I've using vitamin c baking soda as I read here but I've been recently told that baking soda destroys most of the vitamin C. Does anyone know anything about it? Ted?
    Posted by Rick
    Woburn, Ma
    03/02/2013
    4 Posts
    A great way to take your Vitamin C and to break that soda/ diet soda habit. Pick up some Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in powder form (available from any of the major on-line vitamin retailers). In a 10 to 12 once glass of water, add 3 (three) 1/4 teaspoons of Vitamin C (each 1/4 teaspoon of C is equal to 1 gram (1000 mg). To this, add 3 (three) 1/8 teaspoons of baking soda. The baking soda will do two things; it will reduce the pH of the Vitamin C to around 6, which is much more palatable to the stomach, and secondly, it will carbonate the drink (for those who are adicted to carbonated beverages). Add stevia sweetner to taste. This tastes similar to a lemon/ lime soda. I have replaced my diet soda habit with this stuff. You can also add a drop of spearmint oil or the oil of your choice, for a different taste.

    Vitamin C: More Than Just an Anti-Oxidant   0  0   

    Posted by Bill Thompson (San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines) on 06/22/2011

    The below article was originally published in Earth Clinic's June, 2011 e-newsletter.

    Vitamin C - More than Just an Anti-Oxidant

    By Bill Thompson, Contributing Writer
    Published: June 22, 2011
    bt130550@gmail.com

    Vitamin C History

    As far back in history as 1747, a Scottish physician called James Lind discovered through a simple experiment that, by taking lime or lemon juice every day, British sailors avoided contracting scurvy. He didn't know why this was, but from that point on, all the British Navy started issuing daily rations of lime juice, which is probably how the nickname "Limey" originated for Brits in the old days.

    Two hundred years later, a Hungarian called Albert Szent-Gyorgyi actually discovered Vitamin C and got a Nobel Prize for his efforts in 1937. An interesting and active man, during WW 2 Szent-Gyorgyi was a key member of the Hungarian resistance. Adolf Hitler himself issued a direct order for his arrest. After the war Szent-Gyorgyi's research interests moved towards studying the effects of free-radical damage as a reason for cancer onset. Another interesting fact about Szent-Gyorgi was that he always supplemented at least 1 gram of Potassium Iodide every day - that's 1000 mgs of KI (which is about 8000 times higher than the current RDA for iodine). He lived to the age of 93. In those days, people had no fear of iodine supplementation. A well-know protégé and supporter of Szent-Gyorgi's work, Ralph Moss, has since carried on his wonderful research work.

    Later research by Dr Denham Harman enabled more understanding on the dangerous effects of free-radicals on the body to further enhance the work of Albert Szent-Gyorgyi. Harman's essential discovery and proof was that anti-oxidants like Vitamin A, C & D actually help to extend human life by eliminating free-radical damage. But something that was always ignored by peer reviewed writings on Dr Harman's research was the fact that he regarded BHT(Butylated Hydroxytoluene) as a super anti-oxidant. He also discovered other conclusive facts from his anti-oxidant research along the way that have been completely and conveniently ignored for years by organizations such as the FDA and WHO:

    "In 1961, Harman published a study showing that the degree of polyunsaturation in fats had a dramatic effect on cancer rates in mice. The most highly polyunsaturated dietary fats [vegetable oils] were found to be the most carcinogenic.

    In 1968 Harman published a dietary antioxidant study showing that the food preservative BHT fed over a lifetime to mice produced a 45% increase in life span. Harman became concerned that although many of his studies showed an increase in average lifespan by antioxidants, none showed an increase in maximum life span."

    -- Source -- Wikipedia

    Then came Mathias Rath's and Linus Pauling's research on the usage and correct dosages of Vitamin C which broke so much new ground - this research consequently gave birth to the well-known Orthomolecular Medicine movement, whose approach was to use natural nutritive methods at correct dosages discovered through intensive research in order to alleviate and cure disease. They both went on to discover the usefulness of high dose Vitamin C (as Ascorbate) and high dose Lysine - a simple amino acid protein pre-cursor -- as a very simple cure and preventative for heart disease, arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure etc. It was found that Vitamin C simply acted to remove the actual arterial plaque blockages while the Lysine removed the Lipoprotein(a) or Lp(a) from the blood in order to stop the plaque reforming again. In talking about arteriosclerosis, Pauling always liked to refer to this problem simply as "arterial scurvy" in order to drive his point home about the importance of correct dosages of Vitamin C in the human diet.

    And, when natural epigallocatechins (green tea tannins) were added to the vitamin C and Lysine protocol, this treatment would stop cancer tumor growth, prevent angiogenesis, and also help to prevent metastasis. Few people know about the Pauling-Rath research because the drug industry has done its utmost to suppress or spoil this vital research information for years.

    Ted from Bangkok has also recommended the use of larger dose Vitamin C with larger dose Lysine (sometimes combined with aspirin), which can help to cure some strains of ordinary flu as well as H1N1. He also recommends this as part of his cure protocol for cancer and as a cure for chlamydia, herpes, pneumonia and dengue fever.

    The simple point I am making here is that Vitamin C is far more than just an anti-oxidant. What comes out from all the independent research is that Vitamin C is also a vital ingredient for building or repairing collagen or body tissue; Vit C supports and greatly aids and boosts the immune system; Vit C can chelate and remove dangerous heavy metals from the body; it also greatly helps in accelerating cross cell-wall nutrient transport and absorption of nutrients. This is why, for instance, Vitamin C should always be taken with iodine supplementation - Vitamin C simply accelerates the absorption of iodine, overcoming any iodine transport problems - which is not only useful for thyroid problems but is also used in every other iodine cell receptor in the human body as well.

    Correct Vitamin C Dosages

    The current recommended daily RDA for Vitamin C is about 75 mgs.

    In his own research on Vitamin C, Pauling mentions that humans, apes, bats and guinea pigs cannot produce their own Vitamin C internally because they lack one vital liver enzyme - so they have to get their Vitamin C from an external food source. However, cows, horses, goats, dogs and cats and many other mammals all produce their Vitamin C internally simply by metabolizing glucose into Vitamin C in their livers. Pauling further goes on to say that just a small goat automatically and internally produces 12 grams of vitamin C on average per day and in times of stress can up that amount to 18 grams a day.

    Cows, horses and goats rarely, if ever, get heart disease or cancer.

    So now how do 12 grams of Vitamin C produced automatically and naturally everyday in a small goat stack up against the RDA Vitamin C dose of 75 mgs recommended for humans?

    I personally take 1000 - 3000 mgs of Vitamin C every day (much more if I'm ill). I also make sure that I eat plenty of fruit - mangoes, melons, apples, oranges etc - on a daily basis. Thus I get the benefit of Vitamin C as ascorbate but I also benefit from the fruit, which contains the added benefit of bio-available Vitamin C co-factors such as bio-flavonoids, ascorbinogens, rutin and tyrosinase as well as many mineral co-factors that also work as associated enzymes to further enhance Vitamin C's positive effects on the body.

    Linus Pauling regularly took about 8 - 10 grams of Vitamin C (sometimes twice as much as this) per day for years and years and he died at the ripe old age of 93.

    When Should I Take Vitamin C?

    Lastly, you can take Vitamin C, which is a water soluble vitamin, either during mealtimes or outside mealtimes. But, as Linus Pauling proved from his own research, if you take Vitamin C at mealtimes then you will automatically lose 1/3 of your dose through normal intestinal excretion. So if you take Vitamin C - it's always best to take the ascorbate or alkaline form outside mealtimes - your body will simply absorb more of the Vitamin C dosage and you will thus get a much greater benefit.

    The other oily vitamins such as Vitamins A, D, E and K should all be taken at mealtimes for proper digestion and emulsification by the pancreatic lipase enzymes and bile respectively.

    What Supplement Form is the Best?

    This section applies to all vitamins, minerals and amino acid supplement forms that you can buy - not just to Vitamin C. Let's go through these one by one:

    Tablet Forms

    I would avoid this supplement form for the following reasons:

    • This form contains many caking additives (to form the tablet) such as Calcium Diphosphate, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, plant cellulose etc. Some people are even allergic to some of these caking substances.
    • The waxy, hard tablet forms will not be easy to break down and digest in the body. To test this - just drop the tablet into a glass of water with a little vinegar. If it doesn't dissolve into solution in about 20 minutes. - the tablet is useless.
    • Caking agents are waxy, sticky substances that help form the tablet. This wax will also tend to embed and trap the nutrient supplement in the wax, which will then not be absorbed by the intestine.
    • The best way to take tablets is to first crush them up using a mortar and pestle and then to dissolve the powder in a glass of water. Note that the water will look opaque and unclear due to the heavy presence of these waxy and insoluble caking residues.

    Multivitamins

    In my opinion, this is the worst possible supplement form of all to take. All the disadvantages that apply to the tablet form also apply to the multivitamin form. But I would also add these disadvantages as well:

    Multivitamin forms always contain lesser amounts of vitamins, minerals and amino acids than even the RDA. This is because it would be physically impossible to put all the correct RDA dosages for vitamins, minerals and amino acids into one multivitamin pill. If you did, the pill would probably be bigger than a ping pong ball!! That's why I think the multivitamin concept - all beneficial daily nutrients in one pill - is so utterly ridiculous.
    Minerals such as Iron, Zinc, Magnesium, Manganese and Calcium, for example, are all combined into one multivit pill. All these minerals, when taken in the wrong form, are mutually antagonistic and will compete for absorption pathways in the intestines. No use at all.
    Many multivitamin forms contain various synthetic (patented) minerals, vitamins and amino acids etc. These forms are not handled in the body as well as the natural more bio-available food forms. Such multivit forms are usually also more expensive because they contain these synthetic, patented nutrient forms.

    I read an interesting article awhile ago written in an alternative health magazine. The journalist went to a sewage works to interview the sewage manager. During the interview the manager happened to mention that every day, whenever he went out to inspect the human sewage - he would see hundreds and hundreds of multi-coloured pills in the sludge - multivitamin pills - all undissolved.

    Liquid Tonics, Dissolvable (fizzy) and Chewable Forms

    I wouldn't trust these forms because, generally, they will include additives such as aspartame, flavourings, high fructose corn syrup or sugar and other additives to make them taste better. Also, the liquid tonic form will have a greater tendency to oxidize in the sunlight. Avoid.

    Capsule Form

    These should contain just the powdered herb, mineral or vitamin and nothing else - no additives or caking agents etc. This powder should be contained in an enteric-coated capsule. This form is OK - my number 2 choice.

    Powdered Form

    My top choice. This is the best form if you can get it - no additives or preservatives or caking agents. When I first bought my powdered Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) and dissolved the dose in a glass of water with some baking soda powder to convert it to ascorbate - after the fizz - it was crystal clear, just like a simple glass of water.

    © 2011 Earth Clinic. All Rights Reserved.

    Posted by Eileen
    Camarillo, Ca / Usa
    10/22/2011
    Regarding the story about the sewage treatment plant. While I agree about taking vitamin powder (I use vit C powder exclusively)- that story stinks of pharma-propaganda. I know there are dissolve-rate tests that are done on various supplements and some are much better than others.

    However!!! 'multi-colored pills'??? I suggest that he was seeing pharmaceuticals. Those are the most 'colored' pills. Most of my vitamins are white or tannish. People often flush pills (Rx meds) down the toilet!

    Just my thoughts. Great thread!!

    Posted by Caessence
    Eureka, Ca, Usa
    01/15/2012
    Bill, I loved your advice - only one thing, you failed to mention that Genetically Modified Organisms are used to make ascorbate acid. It is made during a fermentation process using corn or a derivative and ascorbate acid is also made synthetically. 85% of corn is GMO. And the only way to find out the beginning sources of ingredients is to call and ask the companies. Most will say they TRY to buy non-GMO corn derived ascorbate acid and only say that their suppliers certify that it is non-GMO. For this reason I prefer dried sour cherry powder or rose hips powder, that I can add to water and consume. The dried citrus peel sounds good too. Only buy ascorbate acid from companies that at least get a certificate from the supplier that says it comes from a non-GMO source more likely from China. Although, China does not have a good tract record for honesty and integrity when it comes to what they are actually selling you.

    Remember to buy non-GMO foods and especially supplements, you will be very surprised that there are a great deal of GMOs in nutritional supplements. The suppliers have no shame, it is up to you to call and put pressure on these companies. If it means you won't buy from them because of GMOs then they will quickly get the message. I call all my supplement and food companies and let them know and guess what, they are listening to little old me. Why because it means dollars, we having buying power.

    Support the Right To Know labeling going on in California and soon in other states too.

    Posted by Daustin
    Austin, Tx
    09/25/2012
    Great piece! I have read the megadoses of vitamin C cure many ailments including viruses, cancer, etc. The best way to get a large dosage is through an IV drips. It saddens me that doctors aren't willing to at least try something that the body naturally uses, that has proven to be safe and effective. Vitamin C is water soluble so what isn't used is eliminated.

    Vitamin C has even been shown to cure polio in a study. If my aunt had been treated with vitamin C when she contracted polio in her twenties, then maybe she would have been able to walk again, like the people in the study. http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html

    Acerola   0  0   

    Posted by Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 11/02/2010

    Thanks for all the advice I got here. I ended up buying Acerola because that was what my pharmacy advised as it is a natural vitamin C. My question is, although I saw 1000 on the box and assumed that it was mgs it seems that it only contains 170mg which is very little. They say one shouldn't take more than one pill (it is those chewable pills). I don't know whether maybe being natural Acerola is more potent than other vitamin C or that this is just one of those things they write on supplements which more often than not doesn't make sense. Before, while I was taking normal Vitamin C I was taking 3000mg to 4000mg which, as I have a lot of allergies, I think is good.

    Posted by Bessie
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    11/02/2010
    Hi Francisca - According to the Orthomolecular News Service, taking the inexpensive ascorbic acid (powdered form is best - no fillers) is very effective. Here is what the Orthomolecular Web site said about natural Vitamin C:

    Natural forms of ascorbate derived from plants are available. Acerola, the "Barbados cherry, " contains a large amount of vitamin C, depending on its ripeness, and was traditionally used to fight off colds. Tablets of vitamin C purified from acerola or rose hips are available but are generally low-dose and considerably more expensive than ascorbic acid. Although some people strongly advocate this type, Pauling and many others have stated that such naturally-derived vitamin C is no better than pure commercial ascorbate. Bioflavonoids are antioxidants found in citrus fruits or rose hips and are thought to improve uptake and utilization of vitamin C. Generally, supplement tablets that contain bioflavonoids do not have enough to make much difference. For consumers on a budget, the best policy may be to buy vitamin C inexpensively whether or not it also contains bioflavonoids. Citrus fruits, peppers, and a number of other fruits and vegetables contain large quantities of bioflavinoids. This is one more reason to eat right as well as supplement. " Hope that helps!

    Posted by Francisca
    Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France
    11/03/2010
    803 Posts
    Thanks Bessie, your information really helped me a lot! I was quite disappointed when I saw that the expensive Acerola I bought thinking it had a large quantity of Vit. C after all didn't. Never again.... And more over it has a sweet, cherry taste, God knows what they have put in there. As far as the bioflavonoids go what I do is make citrus juices with a masticating juicer juicing the white pith as well.
    Posted by Peachy
    Richmond, Bc, Canada
    01/22/2011
    2 Posts
    Oh how funny, I used to chew these all the time instead of candy in my early 20's. There's no limit to these, it's just food. Imagine my surprise coming home as passenger in a car with bunch of friends - I had been drinking, not much, but enough I get a headache/hangover right away. I was chewing these in the car and by time I got home my headache was gone! So these are good for hangovers! (p. S. Drink lots of water to rehydrate too)

    Advice   1  0   

    Posted by Dez57 (Beatty, Oregon) on 07/20/2012

    I have several bad teeth. Broken and bare. Two years ago my old filling started two break up and my was mouth full of pain and inflammation. After $300. Dollar dental bills and no end in sight, I increased my ascorbic acid intake to 8 to 15 grams a day to counter the inflammation and pain. Two years later I now have 5 broken and bare teeth with no pain. I cannot afford dental work for another four years when my house is paid off. Also my health has never been better. I take all the basic vitamins and minerals with added supplements which I have done for 50 years. Only thing I have ever seen a doctor for is injuries.

    My doctor is F R Klenner. He died in 1984 and his vitamin therapy is used today around the world. You will find his papers on the internet. He has been given the AMA's highest recommendation, by blackballing his name and work for over 60 years. If you do not take at least 5 grams of ascorbic acid a day, you are in trouble or will be. Even a 140lb goat makes 5 grams a day in its liver and up to 60 grams a day when sick or injured. Goats also do no not ingest processed foods, sugars, oils and junk food and neither do I.

    Posted by Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 10/27/2010

    Which is the best kind of vitamin C one can take? Is it normal one, is it Ester-C or something else? Pills, powder, solvable? And although many books advise quite high doses of Vitamin C there are experts, including my homeopathic doctor who believe that it can help cancer develop. Is this true?

    Posted by Tina
    Princeton, N J
    10/27/2010
    Hi Francisca, I bought Vitamin C as ascorbic powder from Trader Joe's. I mix one fourth of the powder with equal amount of baking soda in a little water. Once it stops fizzing, I add more water and drink it up. This is according to recipes posted here in EC. I started this three weeks ago. I didn't buy Vitamin C in pill form because of fillers, additives, etc. I'm planning to continue having a glass of this all through winter to keep colds, sinus and flu attacks away!
    Posted by Lis
    Ny, Ny, Usa
    10/27/2010
    13 Posts
    Vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate, especially the powdered form free of fillers. But you can also crush tablets with a pill grinder. This form is recommended because its alkaline. I can take a 1/4 teaspoon of mine in one cup of water and got about 500 mg vitamin C (on an empty stomach). I might take this twice a day and much more if I am ill (several grams maximum but divided in hourly doses each day I feel ill).
    Posted by Peachy
    Richmond, Bc, Canada
    01/22/2011
    2 Posts
    [YEA]   Re Vitamin C: I saw Linus Pauling on the Les Brown (Toronto) tv show back in the 1980's He said just get the cheapest stuff - pure ascorbic acid powder. He would take about 18 grams a day. I have only taken up to 18 grams when I have been sick (flu, exhausted, colds). Hey he lived to be 94! His recipe was put one teaspoon ascorbic acid powder in glass of water, and add one quarter teaspoon baking soda - that's it - makes it fizz - the baking soda buffers the tummy coz straight vitamin C is just way too acidic. On the show he said it was great for cancer patients going through clinical trials, (helps with immune system). (helps build white blood cells, with wound healing, building collagen - you don't get wrinkles! ).

    I drink my drink through a straw and then have more water afterward.. Slight sour fizzy taste. Really nice actually. Since that show I have used the ascorbic acid powder - making my C fizzies as I call them - first of all to help with hay fever allergies (the ones where I sneeze 17 times and want to rip my itchy eyes out, and put cold washcloths over my face to sleep) - I got to the point where I only took the vitamin C and also eye drops for itchy eyes - got off all the over the counter drugstore medications (in my early teens used to get needles for hayfever, man I hate needles - that used to knock me out- didn't help much then either)Also very good for allergic reactions like hives (like when I've had shrimp and have broken out in welts, arargh)... A C fizzy or two takes it all down, calms everything back to normal. If I think I need a lot, I will space out the drinks about half hour or so. You can tell when you reach your tolerance limit, when your bowels start to get loose (the gut just can't process anymore).

    In last few years I discovered that Pauling figured that heart disease is a subclinical form of scurvy - ie not enough Vitamin C!!! Check out paulingtherapy, and I think there is a youtube of him saying that as well. After I found that out I started buying it by the kilo from nutrabio because I would go through my little bottles from the health food store so fast. I plan to live to be 90 as well!

    Another new discovery is ______ vitamin c where they have encapsulated the vitamin c with nano technology (think a grain of sand on a football field - very small) - with this the C bypasses the digestive system and goes straight to where it is needed. I have just started taking these last month. I will have my C fizzy drink before breakfast to start the day, and sometimes one in afternoon, and a pkt of the lypo-c in juice in between times (you won't feel the difference when you take the lypo-c coz it goes straight to your cells - also see tomlevyMd. Apparently this is the closest one can get to having Vitamin C intravenously. Check levy's video of gentleman in new zealand who was pretty much on death's door, and his family rallied around refusing to let the docs take him off life support - with much ado, they got him on IV vitamin c - and he recovered!

    Also just listening to Dr Hal Huggins radio interview, he said if you take 4-5 pkts of the Lypospheric C, it is like getting a shot of IV C. I am so trying this.. One more thing, people would ask me why do I take the Vitamin C fizzies - I said the only way I can explain it is that it feels like it turns on the electricity in the body. And from what I have read about the heart and brain's electrical fields, I can speak from personal experience that the vitamin C I take helps bring everything back to 'normal' for me. And yes, (oh vanity) - a lady at work guessed my age to be 14 years younger.

    Posted by L
    Alberta, Canada
    11/28/2011
    Hi Peachy; Can you tell me if the lypo-spheric vitamin C locally, or just through the internet?

    Alkaline Vitamin C   0  0   

    Posted by Britt Stevens (Philadelphia, Ms) on 11/25/2009

    Hi Where can i purchase alkaline vitamin c? I want to make sure i buy the correct type.

    Posted by Alain
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    11/25/2009
    47 Posts
    Here is an article that describes the various form of Vitamin C.

    The Bioavailability of Different Forms of Vitamin C
    http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss01/bioavailability.html

    I buy mine in powder form as Calcium Ascorbate and also as Sodium Ascorbate.

    It should be easy to find. Do google to find products.

    There are more elaborate Vitamin C that combine several types of Ascorbates, but they are more expensive.

    I hope this help a little.

    Alain

    Posted by Britt
    Philadelphia, Ms
    12/22/2009
    2 Posts
    I need to know where in the US.or online i can buy an alkaline form of vitamin c. Britt.
    Posted by Joyce
    Joelton, Tn
    12/22/2009
    218 Posts
    Hello Britt,

    The alkaline form of vitamin C is called sodium ascorbate and to find a bunch of sources for it, just type sodium ascorbate into your search window and have fun looking them up on line.

    Posted by Cordell
    Saint John , Nb Canada
    02/16/2010
    9 Posts
    It is easy to make alkaline vitamin C, also known as Sodium Ascorbate. Simply buy vitamin C powder (usually as Ascorbic Acid). About 1/4 teaspoon of this is equal to 1gram. So to make it sodium ascorbate mix with this about 1/4 of Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda), and half a cup, or so, of water. Stir it around until the crystals dissolve and the fizzing stops. And, now you have 1gram of Sodium Ascorbate; and alkaline form of Vitamin C.
    Posted by Lou
    San Francisco, California, Usa
    10/12/2011
    2 Posts
    I have a question - Can you simply add a mixture of Potassium Bicarbonate (KHCO3), Sodium Bicarbonate (NaHCO3) and Magnesium carbonate (MgCO3) to Ascorbic acid to create a mixed Potassium, Sodium and Magnesium Ascorbate??? The idea is to reduce the amount of Sodium, if Sodium Bicarbonate alone is used. Also, what are the side effects of mega doses of ascorbates (3 gms, three times a day). WebMD has a list of adverse effects too many to list.

    Any help in the regard will be greatly appreciated.

    Posted by Elfaunte
    Davis, Ca
    10/29/2011
    I too have same issue with sodium and potassium, can magnesium carbonate be used to create magnesium ascorbate? Adding magnesium carbonate to ascorbic acid, preferably in an orange juice base. I am trying to limit potassium and completely eliminate sodium.

    Angina   1  0   

    Posted by WT (Spartanburg, SC) on 06/01/2008

    [YEA]  I used to have angina. Probably for 2-3 years. Never severe but painful nonetheless. What brought about the end of angina was megadoses of Vit C. I had been taking probably 20+ grams/day for stubborn allergies in the spring of the year. I continued to take it at night for dust mite allergies at bedtime instead of medications. I noticed one day in the fall that I hadn't had any chest pains for quite a while. It's been I think two years now since I had any. Vitamin C megadoses, according to Linus Pauling and Matthias Rath, allow the arteries to heal which reverses plaque buildup in all but completely blocked arteries. They also recommend adding L-Lysine and Proline to your regime along with the C.

    Posted by Joyce
    Joelton, Tn
    06/03/2008
    7 Posts
    A study I read about several years ago might help you understand why the high dosage Vit. C got rid of your angina. During Paul Linus' heyday, a nursing home did a study in which they were giving nursing home patients 500 mgm. Vit. C 4 x per day, expecting it to lower their cholesterol readings. Ooops! These patients' cholesterol levels skyrocketed upward, instead of decreasing, scaring them so badly, they halted the study immediately. Logical thinking tells me that the Vit. C was flushing cholesterol from their blood vessels, unless they had also been put on a high cholesterol diet at the same time.
    Posted by Alex
    Los angeles, CA
    03/10/2009
    what kind of vitamin c do you recommend for mega doses. I noticed that vitamin c can upset the stomach and give diarrhea. Any body know the best form of vitamin c for mega doses that doesn't upset the stomach and where to find it ? thanks alot
    Posted by Ron
    Emporia, Kansas
    12/23/2009
    Alex,

    If you're getting diarrhea you are taking too much. Take an amount just below the amount that causes diarrhea...this is called the "saturation level."

    I've always used regular vitamin C in a powder form. The way I avoid a stomach reaction is to never take vitamin C on an empty stomach...usually, a small piece of toast or a little solid food of some sort before the C handles that.

    Posted by Windingdown
    Santa Clarita, Ca
    06/19/2010
    2 Posts
    I didnt have angina but I have really really bad allergies at age 50, I was in bed for three weeks with vertigo. I was not going to let this happen to me again, I did reseach and found taking vitamin C doses every few hours till you reach your level of saturation to avoid upset tummy.. My allergies were kicked!! I also take a stress vitamin B complex with it. I am so much healthier.. I take a quality brand, wouldn't trust the junk brands!@ GOOD LUCK

    Ascorbic Acid for the Skin   0  0   

    Posted by Lala (New York, Ny) on 06/23/2013

    Hi, I would like to know if it is possibe to add ascorbic acid to distilled water to use as a vitamin C face mist. Would my skin absorb the vitamin C? I heard that it was ineffective do it as such because the water evaporates quicker than the vitamin C gets absorbed into your skin, resulting in granular bits of vit. C on your face.

    And if I wanted to add Vit. C as preservative, how much do you recomment I use per 1oz of aloe gel solution?

    Ascorbic Acid Powder   0  0   

    Posted by D (Hawaii) on 06/21/2014

    Looking for a cheap ascorbic acid powder (prices are so high now out here in Hawaii).

    Since a particular store chain which has it's own variety at a good price (and claims to not use any GMO products) is not out here, I've been looking online for non-GMO. Most of them do not say whether they are from GMOs or not, so I have to assume they are, since ascorbic acid is widely extracted from corn. Or else, the Q&A section answers that question elusively, like saying "i use and trust the product...", or one answer even stated that "the product is not non-GMO free"... what??? What does that mean? It's either GMO or not!

    I guess you can't mention brand names here(?), but is there another way to find this online besides writing to every company? The bulk products have the best prices, but are probably from GMOs. Any suggestions?

    Should the ascorbic acid be listed as the "L" variety?

    Sorry if this has already been asked - I don't have time to read through all the postings here. Thanks

    Posted by Sam
    Miami, US
    06/22/2014
    20 Posts
    Vitamin C (20 g / 0.7oz at shop.owndoc.com

    Note that almost all vitamin C available from pharmacies is the "buffered" non-acidic variety, neutralized with for example Sodium bicarbonate. Such buffered, non-acidic vit. C is not suitable for a microneedling skin serum.
    This vitamin C is made in Germany and purchased in a pharmacy, so it is excellent for use in salads as well.

    Posted by Mama To Many
    Tennessee
    06/22/2014
    593 Posts
    Dear D from Hawaii,

    Nutribiotic says it is non GMO. I have bought it in bulk (5lbs of Ascorbic Acid powder) from iherb, I think.

    ~Mama to Many~

    Asthma   1  0   

    Posted by L (Upstate NY,) on 01/14/2008

    [YEA]  AFTER YEARS OF ADULT ONSET ASTHMA, I FEEL "A LOT" BETTER SINCE TAKING A TSP. OF STRAIGHT CIDER VINEGAR AT NIGHT BEFORE BED. I HARDLY EVER WAKE UP WHEEZING, ANYMORE. ALSO, I HAVE TRIED PEROXIDE INHALLATION (50/50 MIX OF 3% PEROXIDE WITH WATER IN A SPRAY BOTTLE 2X A DAY.) STINGS LIKE HECK AT FIRST, BUT I CAN BREATHE THROUGH MY NOSE AGAIN. I ALSO TAKE 1500 MG, OR MORE, OF VITIMAN C PER DAY. I FEEL GREAT AGAIN!

    Asthma, Allergies   1  0   

    Posted by Elaine (Chicago, IL) on 01/06/2009

    [YEA]  I added Baking Soda to my ACV treatment and had many of the side effects others mention on this site. Baking Soda lowers Vitamin C levels and this can lead to symptoms of scurvy. I had to do a lot of research to find this out. I woke up with a purple spot/bruise on my leg and that convinced me, as I had not bumped into anything to bruise myself. The purple bruise looking spot is a sign of scurvy. Luckily, it was recommened to me to take Vitamin C for Constipation. I was sooo sick (my asthma was out of control) last night and the night before. I did not know that Vitamin C actually helps Astmatics.

    I took 6 mgs of Vitamin C last night in error. I picked up the wrong size of measuring spoon!!..luckily! I had been up the prior two nights coughing up mucus, but last night I slept through the night. I couldn't figure it out since I needed to take bendryl the other nights just to not choke on the mucus. It appears that the 6 mg of Vitamin C did it's job to replenish my Vitamin C and to help with my asthma.

    I woke up with the usual morning junk to cough up and spit out. I took 1000 mg of vitamin C and it stopped this problem dead in it's tracks. People need to read about what vitamin C does, especially for people with Asthma and food allergies. Also, the baking soda should NOT be recommended on this site.

    It depletes the Vitamin C. If someone is already low in Vitamin C it can cause Survy Symptoms as it did in me.

    I love this site, but I think promoting Baking Soda that depletes Vitamin C is wrong. Also, I love Apple Cider Vinegar and it is promoted her as the top natural relief, but I never hear any talk of vitamin C. It works wonders for Asthma, Hay fever and a load of Respiratory illnesses and other illnesses.

    Posted by Ron
    Emporia, Kansas
    12/23/2009
    Hi Elaine,

    I believe you meant 6 grams (g) of vitamin C, not milligrams (mg.)...6 grams would be 6,000 mg.. Linus Pauling took about 10 grams a day.

    That is very interesting that Vitamin C cleared up your mucous enough to sleep through the night. I occasionally have a stuffy nose when sleep. I'll try this out and take 6 grams and let you know if it works for me. I currently take 3,000 mg a day.

    Posted by Ron
    Emporia, Kansas
    12/25/2009
    Hi Elaine,

    This is the follow up to my last post. I tried 3 grams of vitamin C powder before bed 2 nights ago and my sinuses were very clear for 6 1/2 hours. Last night I tried 6 grams before bed with the same results...6 grams was a little much for me in one dose. Thanks for the tip.

    Bacterial Vaginosis   1  0   

    Posted by Jeff (Pawtucket, Ri) on 12/24/2009

    [YEA]  Vitamin C cured my wifes' bacterial vaginosis. She used 250mg of ascorbic acid by breaking off 1/4 of a 1000mg caplet and using it as a suppository. Within one day the odor was gone. She plans on continuing this for a week or so to make sure it's gone.

    Posted by Friend
    Toronto, Ontario
    10/22/2011
    I tried this, too, and it cleared up the odor and discharge by the next morning. Been struggling with BV for several months now. Feels like a miracle.

    And to any women reading this... I tried hydrogen peroxide, acidophilus, folic acid etc to no avail.

    Truly, I stuck half a 1000mg vitamin c tablet in my vagina and by the next day the classic bv odor and sticky discharge was gone. (rinsed the vitamin in hot water first to get off any lubricating coating).

    If you've tried everything else, try this.

    Good luck!

    Posted by Hotlava
    Seattle, WA
    05/29/2014
    hey, make sure you don't use powdered ascorbic acid for this! Use a tablet, which is buffered. otherwise, that acid will burn delicate tissue.

    Buffering   0  0   

    Posted by Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 04/26/2011

    How do I buffer Vitamin C powder? In a book I am reading right now Linus Pauling says that he used to buffer his Vitamin C by dissolving it in orange juice but how does it work given the fact that orange juice is also an acid? Or else he added bicarbonate of soda but he doesn't say how much. Right now I am taking 2g powder and 4g in tablets. I don't want to take more tablets because of the fillings as I am afraid that if you take many a day they will do you more harm than good. Also, in the book he says that he used to take 12g in the morning but I ask myself whether he took them in many glasses of water as I find 2g in a glass of water already quite strong.

    Posted by Debbie
    Melbourne, Australia
    04/26/2011
    Hi Francisca, I take vitamin c powder in my glass of ACV and you can't really taste it. I do take vit c. As calcium abscorbate. I was also putting the powder in the empty vegetarian capsules and drinking with water.
    Posted by Bill
    San Fernando, San Fernando, Philippines
    04/26/2011
    802 Posts
    Hi Francisca... It's fairly easy to understand buffering which is simply the addition of an alkali or base(like sodium bicarbonate, baking soda) to orange juice -- which consists mainly citric acid and ascorbic acid and which tastes sour.

    The rudimentary rule and equation for buffering is here:

    Acid plus Base = Salt plus Water

    Thus the citric and ascorbic acids are converted to their alkaline salts -- citrates and ascorbates -- which do not taste sour. Because these acids are converted to salts this does not erode your teeth and it tastes less sour when you drink it.

    Just add baking soda to the fresh orange juice until the fizzing stops and then drink it -- very similar to the process of adding baking soda to ascorbic acid to just create ascorbates. You will be drinking the citrates and ascorbates in solution and not their acid forms which is far kinder on your digestive system. This method also causes less stomach upset and less diarrhia because its not so acid. It's also been my experience that your intestines can absorb far more ascorbates than ascorbic acid in your intestines for this reason.

    This buffering process is exactly the same when you add sufficient sodium bicarbonate to lemon or lime juice(Ted's Alkalizing Remedy). Same result -- alkaline salts which are more easily absorbed in the intestines.

    You should also be able to add extra ascorbic acid to the orange juice then just buffer it all as normal with the sodium bicarbonate. Quite safe.

    Posted by Joyce
    Joelton, Tn
    04/27/2011
    218 Posts
    Hello Francisca,

    I have been missing from EC for awhile, so I can't tell you where to find it, but I'll bet that Deirdre can. It's been awhile since I read it in EC but it does seem that Ted gave the directions on how to mix your own buffered sodium ascorbate using citric acid and baking soda (sodium bicarb).

    Posted by Francisca
    Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France
    04/27/2011
    803 Posts
    Debbie and Bill, I forgot to say that I take Ascorbic Acid. I have never found Calcium Ascorbate here in Europe. I understand what you say, Bill but the interesting thing is that Linus Pauling says that he used to buffer his Ascorbic Acid in the orange juice, that is what I don't understand. You say that you actually buffer the orange juice with the baking soda. Here is what he says in his book:" I take much of my Vit. C in the morning before breakfast, 12g (he used to take 18g a day) of pure crystalline ascorbic acid either dissolved in orange juice to buffer it or in water with a small amount of baking soda added to make an effervescent drink". So, it seems that the orange juice also buffers the Ascorbic Acid. I take it in water, how much baking soda should I add? Thanks for your help! By the way, he didn't seem to think that Ascorbic Acid did much damage to your stomach, on the contrary, according to him it helped preventing ulcers. I will post the review on his book today as I have just finished reading it!
    Posted by Francisca
    Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France
    04/28/2011
    803 Posts
    Thanks Joyce.... And could you maybe help me find it Deirdre? I never know how to do searches on this site, sorry!
    Posted by Lily
    Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
    04/28/2011
    91 Posts
    So good to see you back Joyce, was wondering where you were! Lily.
    Posted by John S
    Durban, Rsa
    11/28/2011
    Hi Francisca - did anyone give you a recipe for bufferning crystaline Vit C? That is - how many grams of Vit C to how many grams of Sodium Bicarbonate? I understand the science - just don't want to do the math unless I really have to (why reinvent the wheel? :))
    Posted by Francisca
    Zug, Zug, Switzerland
    12/01/2011
    803 Posts
    Hi John, no, I don't think that anybody gave me the recipe but then I haven't been taking Vitamin C for awhile. Linus Pauling said in his book "How to live longer and feel better" that he took the vitamin C either dissolved in orange juice or he buffered it in water with a small amount of baking soda but not how much. He took much of his vitamin C in the morning before breakfast. I tried without buffering, just by dissolving it in water and I didn't have any side effect or else I took tablets. I am thinking of starting to take it soon so I might consider taking a bit of orange juice every morning.


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