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Heart Failure  
5 User Reviews | 1 YEA

Posted by Spence (Sparta, Tn) on 12/12/2008

[YEA]  In reference to C side effects I have a heart failure problem and I mega dose alot of supplements for this condition. In regards to Vitamin C I normally take 6000mg divided into 3 doses daily. In the winter during cold season I increase my doseage to 9000mg daily to ward off colds etc. I personally use vitamin C with rose hips absorbic acid capsules. The only side effects I am aware of not to say there may be others is loose bowel movements if you injest more C than your body can handle. No big deal. Just back off a little. I also found in my case I can gradually build back up slowly with no more of these issues. While we know the C vitamin is a plus for many ailments you might want to consider a B complex supplement as well. I personally prefer the 100mg complex capsules and take them 3 times a day with the C. The benefits are numerous. But hey! I'm no doctor. I just know what works for me. One more tip if I may. Mega doses of water soluable vitamins for the most part are safe within reason where as oil base supplements is a whole different can of worms and should be monitored carefully. Spence

EC: More about HF here:

Replied by Tryingtostayhealthy
Half Moon Bay, Ca, United States
I take 5 grams ascorbic acid powder and 4 grams lysine powder mixed in a glass of water every day (Pauling Protocol). I add a pinch of bicarbonate of soda and drink a little bit throughout the day. The side effect I have is that I have to urinate every hour. I feel fairly certain the C is the cause because when I stop a day the problem decreases. I know vitamin C is a diuretic but is there anything I can do to lessen this problem?

As background info I am a 56 year old male who had a heart attack 18 months ago and had 2 stents placed at that time. I take simvastatin (Zocor generic statin drug) and 1 full aspirin daily. I cannot be certain what is the major benefit whether it is the stents, drugs, exercise, or the vitamin C and lysine mixture but I am feeling good and not had any problems since. My hunch though is that it's the vitamin C - lysine mixture and exercise that is helping quite a bit.

I plan to keep taking the vitamin C and lysine forever so I would like to find a way to cure the frequent urination problem. Thank you for any suggestions.

Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe
try taking less.
Replied by Jay
Toronto, Ont, Canada
Tryingtostayhealthy from Half Moon Bay, Ca, United States writes: "I take 5 grams ascorbic acid powder and 4 grams lysine powder mixed in a glass of water every day (Pauling Protocol). I add a pinch of bicarbonate of soda and drink a little bit throughout the day.

There is research to show that any benifit of a single large dose of vitamin C is significantly reduced in the human blood stream within 5 hours. Split your dose across your day at 4 hour intervals to maximize its benefits. This makes sense since most animals make their own vitamin C and have a continuous flow of it into their bloodstream rather than a big "hit" once a day. They also make even more than normal amounts of vitamin C to cope with stress or injury. Also spreading the supply across time as required allows the body processes that can use the extra vitamin to basically operate their processes continually rather than starting up when adequate vitamin C is available and then shutting down these processes a few hours later when supply is low.

FYI: Doctor Irwin Stone and Doctor Mathias Rath both worked with or corresponded with Doctor Linus Pauling on vitamin C and both of these men have written books on vitamin C and the heart. You can find both books free online.

Replied by Moreytftf
Lewiston/auburn, Maine
In response to Jay from Toronto, Ont Canada. Dr Weil also wrote books on many things including high dosage of vitamine C and it was very helpfuil for me... Look up 8 weeks to Optimal Health there's also an audio book that he reads himself which I enjoyed because I could listen while I walked.

Also, I'm not sure what caused your heart attack but you may be interested in research done by a man named Dr Max Gerson and his daughter Charlette. They have both been curing cancer, and many other ailments for over 70 yrs, by nurishing the body with what the body needs in order to regenerate. It might be worth looking into.

Wishing you all the best of luck. ~T~

Heavy Menstrual Flow  
1 User Reviews | 1 YEA

Posted by MARTHA (LAREDO, TEXAS) on 08/06/2007

[YEA]  I was having a very heavy menstrual period, I was miserable I could not go out any where this was my second month and the only thing the nurse from my doctor's office recommended was to rest. My doctor said I was a candidate for a D&C if my period would continue the same. I was recommended to use vitamin c 1 to 2 1000mg pills a day. I was on my 3rd day of heavy torment and I took 2 1000mg vitamin c this made my heavy flow to ease up and I continued my regular menstrual period the next two days. I was recommended to use vitamin c 1000mg one week before my period one to two pills a day and take it all thru the last day of the menstrual period. This really works I am back to normal and happy to share this with other women who are suffering what I did.

High Cholesterol  

Posted by Chuck (Tukwila, WA) on 07/16/2007

I was reading where high Cholesterol can be fixed by taking 3000-5000 mg of vitamin C per day. The theory is cholesterol attaches itself to lesions in your blood vessels. The Vitamin C repairs the lesions thus allowing the body to flush the cholesterol that is not needed naturally. Further the articles stated Cholesterol is needed to heal nerves that get damaged. The statin drugs stop the body from making cholesterol thus the nerves don't get healed. I took a fall 2 years ago and no one can figure out why I am in pain. I have been on statin drugs for 4 years. My theory is I damaged nerves in the fall and the lack of cholesterol is not allowing my nerves to heal. I weaned myself off the Lipitor. And am taking 1500 mg 3 times a day of vitamin C. I don't know if it will work I hope so. But I have noticed my memory is getting better

Replied by Ed
Clarkston, Michigan
Lipitor Muscle pain: I notice one person commented about taking Vit C in large doses to help controlling cholesterol. I have read a lot of similar articles as I have the same muscle pain that all the articles talk about in taking Statin drugs. My question is: If I stop taking statin drugs and use Vit C do the muscles rebuild - less the pain and how long does it take. I have been taking Lipitor and swithched to Sinvastain a year ago and have now developed severe muscle pain in legs. Will my blood test indicate a real cholesterol number or will the Vit C distort the cholesterol reading. I get my blood tested every 6 months.
Replied by Desiree
Portland, OR
If you drink milk, you might benefit from researching milk, and especially the homogenization process. This process creates fragmented jagged molecules which then pierce arteries causing cholesterol to patch up the wound, thus clogging arteries. Please remember that milk is a big business. I discovered this by reading a book called Radiant Health (author: Peskin) which exposes the food and health industry. I believe homogenized milk causes high cholesterol, heart disease and stroke. I believe that after age 2, we do much better getting our calcium from non-milk sources like vegetables. We are not defenseless against the food and health industries, but we have to be advocate of our own health by educating ourselves. Blessings.
Replied by Julian
Moscow, Russia
I was involved in the building of the Lipitor factory for the then Warner Lambert in Ringaskiddy, Cork Ireland. The Irish have never been good at keeping secrets. Lipitor comes from garlic.

Eat garlic, it doesn't have the side effects of Lipitor.

When you think about it, your body is the result of a million years of development. It has been 'built' to run on natural products not the chemicals that pharmacuticals have designed in the last 20 years.

EC: Cross-posted to the garlic page as well, thank you!

Replied by Joyce
Joelton, Tn
536 Posts
Hi Chuck, I didn't see anything mentioned about the cause of your pain, but if it started after the fall 2 years ago, at this stage it will probably be called traumatic arthritis.

I would suggest two things for that pain if it started shortly after the fall. The first one is MSM (methylsulfonylmethane), Now you know why it is known as MSM. The second one is old Edgar Cayce's castor oil packs. When you research on MSM you will find that it is most frequently used by holisitic practitioners to keep down inflammation and promote cellular regrowth. It is also a first cousin to sulphur (a natural mineral in our bodies) and what our bodies metabolize DMSO to. I think between the two, you will find the pain, much less, if not totally gone within 2 weeks after starting them.

Don't worry about MSM causing a reaction if you are allergic to sulfa drugs. I cannot take sulfa drugs without feeling worse after 3 days of it than I was before starting it for an infection. However I can take the MSM without problems, and I have plenty of allergic problems.

Replied by Ron
Emporia, Kansas
Hi Chuck,

You can type in "Lipitor co-enzyme Q10" in Google and will get several articles related to muscle pain and the Statins (Lipitor, Sinvastain, Mevacore [lovastatin], etc.).

A brief summary: Lovastatin (and other statins) do lower cholesterol, BUT they also lower Co-enzyme Q10. Without enough Co-enzyme Q10 the muscles in the body weaken (the heart is a muscle).

Merck, the drug company that makes Lovastatin (similar to Lipitor) has had a patent on a combination of Lovastatin and Co-enzyme Q10 since 1989 . K. Folkers is the doctor who has done the most research on Co-enzyme Q10. He was an employee of Merck, working out of the University of Texas. Since Merck has the patent on the Lovastatin/C0-enzyme Q10 drug combo, no one else can market it and for money reasons Merck won't market it, nor have they alerted the public to the benefits of Co-enzyme Q10.

A local friend of mine had been taking Lipitor for a few years and developed severe muscle pain in her legs. She simply stopped taking it and the pain went away. She hasn't taken it since.

If you are worried about your cholesterol, you might look at the Cholesterol section on this web site. At the top of the page, click on Ailments, then C, then Cholesterol. Some good remedies, especially Apple Cider Vinegar.

High-Dose Vitamin C Therapy  
2 User Reviews | 1 WARNING!

Posted by Sdk (Ontario, Canada) on 10/11/2013

How to Reconstitute Ascorbic Acid into Organic Form:

Dear sirs. As much as I appreciate buffering of ascorbic acid with lets say sodium bicarbonate, a much better way has been devised by one Jan Hromada in Czech Republic, who has passed the information into public domain. Ascorbic acid being rather a strong acid quite readily replaces many other organic acids in fruits and also readily ties to red pigments, for example betanins.

Jan Hromada has found out through his keen observation and following research, that tomatoes are one of the ideal red vegetables for this purpose, even if they are not of the best quality.

When 5g of crystalline ascorbic acid is blended with one whole average field tomato, a person can digest at least 40g of ascorbic acid (spread through out a day) in this form without the usual consequences of ascorbic acid overdose. Well, at least I can and I am not alone. I found this form even more accetable than liposomal C form. I believe that this information will further help many people to appreciate what high oral dosing of vitamin C can do for them.

With kind regards, Slavek.

Replied by Maxim
Geneve, Switzerland
[WARNING!]   Just a note that I have not had success with Sodium Ascorbate. I feel it has negative impact on kidneys, so people should be careful about consuming Sodium Ascorbate. Lower back pain, strange urination of dark color and limited in amount. I beleive it is due to Sodium content, since I am not getting the same reaction to Calcium Ascorbate.

I have now ordered a 1kilo of Ascorbic Acid and plan to use it with tomatos according to Jan Hormada. Are there any articles or other info in English to read more about Jan Hormada's methods?

Homemade Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C  

Posted by Linda (San Francisco, Ca, Usa) on 03/01/2012

Hello Good Earthclinic People, Here are 2 posts from Curezone detailing how to make a very cost-effective, homemade, do it yourself, EXCELLENT version of the (very expensive) Liposomal Vitamin C. I have made this several times, it works very well. I make it with Sodium Ascorbate, because Ascorbic Acid alone is way too acidifying for me (It only takes 1 simple modification to make DIY LET C from Sodium Ascorbate, how to do it is in the second post below).

This is very easy to do, and can save you a fortune.

****DIY LET C means Do It Yourself Liposome-Encapsulated Vitamin C

When I make a batch of this, I keep it in a covered wine carafe in the refrigerator.



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Hello Forumfolk,

I think this is information is of interest to probably every human being on the planet.

Good Health to All of Us,

Ladylove :)
From: Make Your Own Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C
From: Brooks Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technology: Vit "C"

In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in searching for possible "process" improvements/modifications which might facilitate the "lay person" an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable in a home environment we did achieve some notable progress.

First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area (LET).
Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK. Microteklabs. Com
Helpful information is available here.

One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic and not a man-made process, that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a function of an automatic, "natural tendency" of certain substances (e.g. Phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or
bubbles called liposomes-when in a aqueous solution under certain conditions. "

The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves with whatever aqueous solution they were in-before they were formed. "This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around virtually every cell in the human body. "

Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700 p.S.I. ) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case) to form liposomes-so small they require an electrom microscope for viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity. It just enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense force in their mixing methodology.

Enter the "enlightening" moment. Searching for a method of achieving liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation as an option. It worked…maybe not quite as well as Livon's "high tech" brute force approach but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our purposes.

Our vitamin "C" liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water (preferably distilled). Note: This is key to being successful from the start. Mix the lecithin and distilled water in a seal-able quart jar so you can shake/agitate until the lecithin is completely dissolved. You don't want any lecithin granules visible. Keep agitating until all granules are dissolved.

2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. "C") in 1/2 cup of water.

3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened), gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically, self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed. Tip: Pour the dissolved Vitamin C solution into the seal-able quart jar with the dissolved lecithin and shake briefly prior to pouring into the ultra-sonic cleaner. If you dissolved your lecithin first as directed in the note above you will need to close the lid due to bubbling. Simply open the lid frequently and give the mixture a quick stir before closing the lid again.

4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg. ) of vitamin C product. At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.
Note: You can use the verification test described in comment #3 below to test the efficacy of your Liposomal Vitamin C. If you followed the tip about completely dissolving the lecithin granules prior to mixing in the ultrasonic cleaner you should have 75% encapsulation.

We use it so fast around our place there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The "homogenizing effect" is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature, no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of sequestered vitamin "C" has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested vitamin "c". That we have tested.

Additionally, it appears to be even more rapid in tissue-bed availability-than IV applications. An astounding revelation. To us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram. As against about $1.00 per gram from commercial sources.

It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this area,
is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be non-toxic and most helpful to OUR RESEARCHERS.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor Freight. Item number 91593. 2 liters, for about $60.00. Both units have performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate titanate, research grade, unit.

Hi all, After my first batch of LC sat in the fridge over night it separated wondering if anyone could explain why or what I might have done wrong? Brooks said it would not separate. Hum? Best regards, Sandy
Dear Sandy, My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in the protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is "The visible, obviously homogenized, portion of the solution", whenever I made the comment about the stability of the completed, resultant, material. I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

Bottom line -your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus may present at the top or the bottom.. Or not at all. Usually if the initial material combination has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.. The meniscus will form on the top of the sample within a few minutes after stopping the US agitation.

If your procedure has run acceptably well and-long enough to homogenize well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after overnight storage with or without refrigeration.

In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome solution and dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

I hope this information helps your dilemma.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment "around-the-edges" of this protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do such this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE just common sense.

Dear Sheila,
Your question has been asked by others. (private inquires addressed directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the following explanation.

First, soy lecithin is a slow incorporator, when introduced into aqueous mediums. Sometimes. Especially, when there is a high lecithin granule population ratio-relative to the total water volume. The general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat "gelatinous" appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such circumstances they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your protocol.

However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin into the aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being incorporated into the parent solution-from very weak, to saturated (none of which are seriously compromising).

Under the best of conditions, even after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes. There is, often, a thin meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water. ] In the liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous, portion of the meniscus is principally made up of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem, in fact the lecithin component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects-beyond those being discussed here.

Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of the total parent solution and extending the time of US reaction exposure.

One reason for the condition you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated solution of lecithin. The more resistant the process becomes to accepting more granular lecithin into that solution until the point is reached where no further material will incorporate hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS EXPERIENCED.

In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin-or for that matter the ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus the ratios of the solution components.. Or the total water volume versus the protocol components primarily, because such elaborations would not serve usefulness/effectivity for the nontechnical.

DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home experimental research.

My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin fraction presenting as a meniscus.. Than to strive toward what I perceive to be a cosmetic achievement-of small consequence.. By means of diluting the total solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.. It is just not active in the liposome process until some parameter changes that avails it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one, regardless of reason. By just increasing the water volume and reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes. The remaining lecithin will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent strength with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat "anyone". In any way. But, rather, to aid the less technically-informed on the list.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

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13 Responses to "Make Your Own Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C"
admin says:
14. August 2009 at 21:43
Hello Everyone, Today I bought everything I needed to make my Liposomal Vit-C. My ultrasonic cleaner was on sale so that was a plus $24.95. I put everything together just like Brooks said and it all turned out the way he said would so I took my first dose the taste was not bad at all. I also bought some d-ribose powder and plan to make that into a liposomal concoction. I cannot wait to feel the results.

Best regards,

admin says:
16. August 2009 at 16:03
From the Silver List.

Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield the DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a useful measure of liposomal encapsulate.

First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a cylindrical, 12 ounce water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1 ounce of distilled water and stir for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds.

Note: If the foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less in height you have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of one inch or less, you have about a 60% efficiency.

If the foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is just a trace.. You should major in chemistry.

The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C component incorporated during the encapsulation process.. That was actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation. The greater the foaming.

What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid fraction is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have tested.. As the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering. ) Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation than is the ascorbic acid form.

In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence in the DIY researcher. That they do in fact have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

p.s. I had, a few moments ago, just finished a much more extensive posting….. But some form of invasive advertising spam flashed across the top of my mail system and in attempting to circumvent/nullify the invader

I lost my entire post. The actual post your are receiving is the product of my existing dismay. The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

admin says:
19. August 2009 at 16:18
Just to recapitulate (please correct me if I 've got anything wrong):

1) 2) The frequency and power of the ultrasonic cleaner (UC) seems to make not so much of a difference, and can be adjusted by increasing the duration of the dissolving process in the cleaner. Either a 50 watts, 42,000 cycles, $29. 0, or a 160 watts, five preset cycles, $69.99 would work almost as well as a $500.00 lead zirconate titanate, research grade, unit.

3) As a source of phospholipids the dried granular form seems to give better results than liquid soya lecithin. About 3 level tablespoons of lecithin granules should be dissolved into 1 cup of distilled water.

4) The ratio of pure ascorbic acid powder to distilled water should be 1 level tablespoon (12 grams) in 1/2 cup of distilled water dissolved separately.

5) Both solutions are next poured in the UC - better in a separate glass due to concerns of corrosion of the stainless steel container - and slowly stirred while the cleaner is turned on. After about 6 minutes of ultrasonic dissolving the entire solution should be blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like mixture. Ready for oral use.

6) "The visible, obviously homogenized, portion of the solution" will keep acceptably at room temperature for 3 to 4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.

natvlegl says:
26. August 2009 at 17:23
Am I understanding correctly that encapsulating Vit C liposomatically will multiply the amount of C exponentially like, grow more?? That is my understanding from reading it. Or does it just make the encapsulated C more bioavailable? Thanks for clarifying. ALSO … IF it does somehow multiply the amount of C by the process, would this also work with other water-soluble supplements?

Instead of soy lecithin, would polysaccharides of various kinds work to liposomatically encapsulate them also?

Thanks for your answer.

drhiii says:
26. August 2009 at 18:48
I like this technique a great deal. 7 years ago met Dr. Chen of Sunrider and he discussed his use of infusion of vitamins into food sources, making them bio available to the body. It was a very cool discussion, and also one that I did not know how to replicate.

This appears to be on the same plane. I've hoped to see this for a long, long time. So, kudos, and I will be participating in this going forward.

Oh, means I went out and acquired an Ultrasonic machines, some non GMO lecithin, ascorbic acid, and created my first brew. It worked. I sensed it worked very well. Ingestion of results, and one could sense this was a very cool protocol.

Loaded and mebbe premature question… what else does the author feel can be LET'd? Would lecithin remain the carrier or transport layer in this? And could say, minerals or similar things be infused?

This is great science, or not science as the OP said, but it makes sense and my sense of the first results are very, very interesting. Me like
mikeleekc says:
2. September 2009 at 22:16
I noticed several websites offering many types liposomal supplements apart from Vit C.
This got me thinking whether I can use the same method outlined here to encapsulate other supplements like curcurmin/tumeric powder which has a very low bioavailability?

Best Regards,

leone says:
13. September 2009 at 16:06
I have made several preps of lipo C ( using USC 2.5 liter model 95563 Chicago Electric Power Tools from Harbor Freight) as described by Brooks and all have worked well. I have tried several modifications:
1. increased the lecithin ( minimum 95% phosphatides) from 3 to as high as 6 tablespoons( 42. 0 grams)
2. have used a power hand mixer with "wire beater" to mix lecithin appears to "soluibilize" the lecithin much faster than the shaking time in a bottle
3. have used sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate and ascorbic acid sometimes as a combo amounts 16.6 to 89.0 grams
4.with high amounts of C I have used 4-5 cycles of 180 sec each( started with 90 sec but increased the last few) have measured surface temp with digital laser thermometer 84-88 degrees F at the end of 5th cycle ( have not used heater)
5. have kept USC cover on last number of preps with 1 or 2 stirrings
Purchased a commercial liposome prep 8 oz bottle with 10 gm C/ounce very syrupy
I have assumed that the commercial prep is getting a greater conc of lecithin to get
that high of a concentration of C
6. stored all preps in the refrigerator

admin says:
4. October 2009 at 11:21
Those reading this subject will further benefit from the discussion on Liposomal Vitamin C Absorbate accessed from the links on the left.


girma1 says:
20. October 2009 at 00:36
Mike asked about possibly using the liposomal method above for encapsulating curcumin. I wondered too because of all the research and extremely positive outcomes for curcumin use. The problem is its very low bioavailability and insolubility in water.

So I've tried using the same lecithin and water mixture as with the liposomal vitamin C, then adding a tablespoon of curcumin powder to a warmed 1/2 cup of olive oil and heating further until the mixture suddenly goes clear (prior to boiling). Then I follow the same protocol as with the liposomal vitamin C: mix and blend the lecithin mixture and the curcumin-olive oil mixture together, and put the mixture through the three rounds of ultra-sound. The result is what appears to be a granule free liquid that can be poured onto or into almost any food you might choose. It keeps well in the fridge and hasn't given me any trouble at all. The only difficulty of course is managing to keep free of the strong stain if you splash or spill any of the mixture.

I have no idea how to test the method for effective encapsulation. If anyone has a suggestion, please post.

cherye7 says:
21. October 2009 at 19:08
Hi. I'm sensitive to all forms of Vit. C except ascorbyl palmitate. If ascorbic acid bothers my stomach, will it still bother me after I put it in the UC? Will ascorbyl palmitate be OK to use instead? Thanks!

admin says:
6. November 2009 at 15:55
Several others that had stomach problems with ascorbic acid found they had no problems taking their homemade liposomal Vitamin C. Best advice I can give is to try it. If you don't want to buy the ultra-sonic unit without knowing try one of the commercial brands first.


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Subject: DIY Liposome-Encapsulated Vitamin C for those concerned about acidosis.

.. You can make the LE Vit C with Sodium Ascorbate by adding 1 TBSP (I use Bob's Red Mill, non-Aluminum) Baking Soda to the Ascorbic Acid before dissolving it in the water.

Otherwise, follow the recipe exactly as given, except you must mix the Vit C powder in a 32-oz container, adding water slowly and stirring until the fizzing stops. Then proceed exactly the same with the rest of the process.

The finished LET C will have a slight salty taste and no bite at all.

Note: Drink a lot of water after drinking this, it's important to help it work.

Good Health to All of Us,

Ladylove :)


How to Make Sodium Ascorbate  

Posted by Lis (Ny, Usa) on 11/03/2010

That was an old rumor. Sodium ascorbate (the alkaline form of vitamin C) is made by mixing two parts sodium ascorbate (an acidic form of vitamin C) with one part baking soda (aka sodium bicarbonate -- which neutralizes the acidity). "*One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0. 477. For example, it would take 477 milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic acid. "

I have seen some places use more baking soda and that's fine.

Posted by Cordell (Saint John , Nb Canada) on 02/16/2010

It is easy to make alkaline vitamin C, also known as Sodium Ascorbate. Simply buy vitamin C powder (usually as Ascorbic Acid). About 1/4 teaspoon of this is equal to 1gram. So to make it sodium ascorbate mix with this about 1/4 of Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda), and half a cup, or so, of water. Stir it around until the crystals dissolve and the fizzing stops. And, now you have 1gram of Sodium Ascorbate; and alkaline form of Vitamin C.

Posted by Lilydy (Alice Springs, Australia) on 09/14/2009

Hi I just want to ask if anyone has an idea how to make your own sodium ascorbate? I read somewhere about mixing equal amount of baking soda and ascorbic acid, is this correct? Any suggestion will be appreciated as it is expensive here to buy the commercial ones. Thanks.

Replied by Bessie
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
In response to Lilydy's question about making Sodium Ascorbate - I was told to use twice the amount of Vitamin C powder to baking soda (example, 1 teaspoon of Vitamin C powder mixed with 1/2 teaspoon baking soda). If you mix it with water, it will fizz up so just add a bit of water, wait until the fizzing stops and then add more water. Be careful not to take too much all at once, though. It can upset your stomach! Hope this helps.
Replied by Lilydy
Alice Springs, Australia
Thanks for your suggestion Bessie. Thanks also to Joyce from Joelton,TN who was very accommodating with her response via email. So far I have tried 10% baking soda to 90% ascorbic acid combination based on the ratio I observed in a lot of commercial sodium ascorbate. So for example, for 1 tsp of baking soda, I mix this with 9 tsp ascorbic acid. From this, I use 1 tsp of the mix in one or half a glass of water or juice. So far I don't have any issue of diarrhea from taking such combination. I take twice a day for days that I need more immunity.
Replied by Suzy 49
Eugene, Or
I was not paying attention and bought sodium ascorbate crystals instead of ascorbic acid crystals! (I had been mixing the ascorbic acid with baking soda and adding water per the video by Deirdre) Can I use the sodium ascorbate the same way? I just was using this as a vitamin c supplements, I have no serious health issues.
Replied by Mmsg
Somewhere, Europe
Suzy, sodium ascorbate IS ascorbic acid (vitamin C) mixed with sodium bicarbonate.
Replied by Tomas
Vancouver, Bc
Hi, I watched the YouTube video: Deirdre Layne presents Sodium Ascorbate with interest. It was good to find out that I can save 20% of the cost of my buffered vitamin C by doing it myself with baking soda. But, in the middle of the video Deirdre mentions that the solution dissolves better with Hot water. Question, isn't Hot water going to denature the vitamin C? Thanks, Tomas

How to Take  

Posted by Rick (Woburn, Ma) on 03/02/2013

A great way to take your Vitamin C and to break that soda/ diet soda habit. Pick up some Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in powder form (available from any of the major on-line vitamin retailers). In a 10 to 12 once glass of water, add 3 (three) 1/4 teaspoons of Vitamin C (each 1/4 teaspoon of C is equal to 1 gram (1000 mg). To this, add 3 (three) 1/8 teaspoons of baking soda. The baking soda will do two things; it will reduce the pH of the Vitamin C to around 6, which is much more palatable to the stomach, and secondly, it will carbonate the drink (for those who are adicted to carbonated beverages). Add stevia sweetner to taste. This tastes similar to a lemon/ lime soda. I have replaced my diet soda habit with this stuff. You can also add a drop of spearmint oil or the oil of your choice, for a different taste.

Insect Bites  
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Posted by Donna (Port Huron, MI) on 12/14/2008

[YEA]  We do backpacking in remote areas in northern Michigan where mosquitoes and black flies can make a trip unbearable. I read about taking Vitamin B6 to prevent bites, tried it and found it completely successful. But one time when backpacking with our daughter, I had forgotten the B6 but was taking Vitamin C up to my bowel tolerance level for a specific medical problem. So my blood and cells were full of Vitamin C. I noticed that my daughter's legs were covered with mosquitoes and black flies and in a few minutes, each bite would swell up and become red. I was surrounded by flies and mosquitoes but either I was not bitten (I did not feel anything) or I did not have any reaction. I think that the mosquitoes do not like the high acid content of the blood (I was taking the acidic form of Vitamin C). In addition, when cell and tissue fluid are saturated with Vitamin C, edemas will be removed by the body very quickly. I think this probably is why bites either do not swell or do not last very long if people are taking Vitamin C.

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Posted by Broken Hearted (Kansas City, Missouri,usa.) on 09/06/2011

This post is for PHYSICIST GARY WADE and Bill Thompson from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines or anyone who has the answer.

Hello, physicist Gary Wade, I read your recommendation on the treatment of lipid coated viruses with BHT.. , and I was interested, because I wish to use it to treat a highly resistant and difficult to treat hcv. As a result, I am reading other articles. One article said that vit. C should be taken with some sodium bicarbonate to reduce its acidity; some other article opposes this view, saying that sodium bicarbonate reduces the absorption of vit. C, but in your recommendation, you were silent in this. As a result, I am not taking the issue of NaHCO3 seriously.

My main reason of writing this, is what I read on the negative effects of high doses of vit. c on the following minerals:


This article said that high doses of vit. C reduces these minerals in the body. In case of calcium, this mineral becomes removed from the bones, causing them to be brittle and easy to break.

Please, I request Physicist Gary Wade and Bill Thompson to address this issue, which is troubling. Please, any other person who has the answer can also address the issue. I will delay my treatment with BHT until I read people's opinions on the issue I have raised, because vit. c is a major component of Physicist Gary Wade's course of treatment with BHT.

Also, I wish to know if I can take the following: Silymarin, Methylsulfonylmethane, Selenium, Magnesium, Calcium Citrate, Potessium Iodide during treatment with BHT, and what can be regarded as the needed daily dosage, considering the daily usage of 8grams of vit.c.

Also, in a difficult case as the hcv that I have, can I add Oil of Oregano to my treatment? Will there be drug interaction that will be harmful to me or that will reduce the effect of the BHT?

I thank you all that will contribute your knowledge to give informed answers to these concerns.

May GOD bless you all.

Replied by Bill Donate

San Fernando, La Union
1206 Posts
Hi Broken Hearted... In answer to your questions:

My main reason of writing this, is what I read on the negative effects of high doses of vit. c on the following minerals:


It is true that Vitamin C is a chelator of metals so the best way to counter this effect is to take Fulvic/Humic acid drops seperately every day with the vitamin C. This contains about 60 essential body macro- and micro- minerals and makes these minerals highly bioavailable. I haven't got enough room to describe the many further huge benefits of Fulvic/Humic acid, so here is a link that covers it all:

Properties of Fulvic Acid

Also I wish to know if I can take the following: Silymarin, Methylsulfonylmethane, Selenium, Magnesium, Calcium Citrate, Potessium Iodide during treatment with BHT, and what can be regarded as the needed daily dosage, considering the daily usage of 8grams of vit.c..."

I have taken Silymarin, MSM, Selenium and Magnesium Citrate all at the same time, usually at meals, without any side-effects or problems. I don't take potassium iodide -- I take lugols iodine or aqueous iodine because I think it is more beneficial overall than KI(which is also useful). The various glands and organs of the body absorb Iodine in different ways. Potassium Iodide and Iodine are different substances with different properties. It is absorbed, for instance, as only iodide by the thyroid. But the breasts and prostate can only absorb the iodine form. And in other areas of the body, both the iodide and iodine forms are happily absorbed. So, in my opinion, to get the full benefit to the body, lugol's (which contains both potassium iodide and iodine) is the best form to take because it covers all the necessary ground. I also understand that some people are quite sensitive to lugols iodine, so instead, Nascent Iodine or Atomidine (as Edgar Cayce recommended) is perhaps more useful and kinder to the body, but is also more expensive.

Regarding Calcium Citrate, I agree with Ted -- the western diet is over-fortified with calcium now, so no need to take any calcium at all -- more important to take magnesium to get rid of the excess calcium in your body. This is a bit tricky though -- and will depend on how much calcium you actually ingest, how old you are and how much processed food you are eating.

I usually take between 1 - 3 grams of vitamin c per day plus I eat fruits. Linus Pauling, a Nobel Prize winning chemist, took 10 -- 20 GRAMS of Vit C a day usually in ascorbate form and he lived till 93 y o. He also researched Vit C and discovered that most mammals like cows, goats, dogs, cats etc self-manufacture their own Vit C in fairly large amounts but that humans, bats and guinea pigs have to get their vitamin c from an external food source because they cannot self-manufacture vit c. In his own research, he also mentions that a small goat produces 12 GRAMS of vitamn c a day from their liver. And in times of stress, the little goat is capable of producing up to 18 grams of vit c. A goat is also way smaller than a human being. So how does this large daily dose for a small goat stack up against the recommended RDA dose of 75 MILLIgrams a day ? This means that the goat's daily Vit C intake is exactly 160 times higher than the human RDA for vitamin c.

I have read much research on BHT. Dr Denham Harman, the discoverer of the anti-oxidant nature of vitamins, regarded BHT as a super-anti-oxidant because, in his famous experiment in 1962, he found that BHT added to mice diets, when measured against a placebo control group, worked to extend the average lifespan of the mice taking BHT by 45%. See the research here:

Other options for you and daily dosages for most of the above, are given in a recent reply post of mine here:

Just to finally add that that Hep C will not become resistant to these remedies because:

* Both aspirin/lysine as well as BHT act to dissolve the lipid outer viral envelope of the Hep C virus which allows the immune system to attack and destroy the now de-cloaked virus. Thus there is no time for the virus to adjust to this protocol.

* The Berkson Triple Anti-Oxidant Protocol works to attack the Hep C virus by anti-oxidant action while at the same time helping to repair liver damage and is a successful therapy involving regular oral intake of Alpha Lipoic Acid, Selenium and Milk Thistle.

* Chanca Piedra(1000 mgs taken at mealtimes) acts to both protect liver hepatocytes(worker liver cells) and to inhibit the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme in the Hep B & Hep C virus, thus completely preventing the virus from replicating, mutating and becoming resistant to the action of Chanca Piedra.

Replied by Todayishine
America, New York, New York
[YEA]   During a time that I was very upset about my loose neck I ran across a sharing on vitamin C and how it restores collagen to the skin. I began to use it, and I did do as someone else said, a few times a day for about a week I pressed up on the skin under the chin. Soon I forgot about the pressing but kept taking the C, at least 1 gram a day. Once it start looking normal, I forgot to note the time it took. But perhaps only a month or two my skin has a nice glow and is no longer dropped and slant under my chin.

I was actually was trying to find where I read about vitamin C and Collagen so I can share it with a friend, so I came to this section.

I noticed the info about vitamin C in high doses displacing metals: calcium, nickel, copper, zinc, maganese . (Hopeflully I don't have to worry about this because I try to put a distance between my Vitamin C and other vitamins).

Does this mean that if I have metal or heavy metal overload, I can purposely detox them by taking extra Vitamin C?

Knee Pain  
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Posted by Barbara (Portland, OR) on 12/06/2006

[YEA]  I started taking high doses of Vitamin C to help ward off a cold virus. For the past several weeks I took 5-10 grams of Vitamin C. I noticed my knee pain disappeared. I am a runner/cross country skier who has virtually stopped these activities due to pain in my right knee. For 7 years I have tried glucosamine, calcium, MSM, and NSAIDs. I don't like taking NSAIDS. However, the other remedies did not relieve the pain and inflammation. Therefore, I have been tolerating the pain and have discontinued using NSAIDS. I was very surprised to find that the Vitamin C use correlated with complete pain relief and reduction of inflammation. So I stopped the C for a week and the pain returned. I have resumed the C and the pain is gone again.

Large Doses of Vitamin C  

Posted by Jennifer (Rochester, Ny) on 06/24/2010

Please read the following link for information on taking large doses of Vitamin C for its healing properties.

Wishing you well,

Liposomal Vitamin C  

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn. ) on 07/13/2014

HI U TIMH, , , , , , , , , , , It appears that my mantra of SJS has been brought out for all to see. Dang, I could not even spell the word correctly. What I have learned excites me immensely. We all know what stuff will heal us, but we can't get our bod's to cooperate. This binding with lecithin may be the answer. I am going down this path full bore.

The best site I've found for answers is Living Herbal Farmacy. The guy may be a fraud, but my IQ says he is the real McCoy. Yep, he sells stuff, but he goes through the details and you understand when he's done.

He does combine Vit C and Gutathione and I 've done that jullion times with IV's.

I have no health problems compared to yours. I wish you well and consider you a friend.


Replied by Timh Donate

RH: All the friendship back to you, and is also shared as there has been so many benefits here among ourselves, and despite being so long in the trenches it is uplifting to hear success reports.

Yes, as Glutathione is our body's master antioxidant it works very well with all other antioxidants. The Vit-C, ALA, CoQ10 all combine w/ GTH and they have synergistic benefits for our health.

I have LET's all these in various combinations as well as herbals, and even Borax. My next venture is LET pure Resveratrol. I have had some very good initial results w/ R from emptying capsules for LET, so this pure powder may prove mighty beneficial for the severe free radical and inflammatory that keeps me body broken down all the time. I will report the results. Resveratrol is also one of the big anti-aging nutrients, and I wonder if you have tried it. I've been taking the capsules for yrs but it's low dose. I expect way better results w/ the pure powder LET'd.

Thanks for the source info tip, I will check out that page.

Hoping to hear good news from you soon; like able to get out of the house more and kicking around before the cold north wind comes a howlin'.

Replied by Heinz
Tampa, Florida
Hi Timh,

I'm new to the forum and saw you were working with LETs. I am hesitant to discuss the subject in an open forum in the event someone is careless in the execution of an idea they fabricate from something they thought was said. If you think it is safe and appropriate I would certainly be happy to. This is the only forum I've seen with current postings regarding DIY liposomal C. I had no one to talk to.

I've done the Bradley method and think we can do better. I have done better and would be happy to send you my results for your feedback. I would love to exchange information regarding my experiments with concentrated LEC and hope to learn from yours.

I think LET is a strong key to better health and anti-aging. I also believe it has the potential for harm were a person to be careless in their preparation of the product. I do think we can look forward to serious disinformation efforts to dissuade the public from exploring the DIY realm. A patient cured is a customer lost.

My currant objective is to refine my recipes for liposomal C, a multivitamin mixture, and anti-aging NAD.

It is truly exciting technology. (I'm filtering my resveratrol and including it in the Multi formulation, any tablets such as selenium and copper will also be crushed, steeped and filtered). hhbraschos at g m a i l dot c o m

Looking forward to your response.


Replied by Timh Donate

Welcome Heinz!

Good to hear of your interest in LET nutrition. As for the fine tuning I do need some help in that area as I just don't have the constitution for it right now.

As for keeping your info on LET more private you can join the Yahoo DIY LET group  as this is a singular theme w/ only interested members. I post by Tangle or kr892002 at Yahoo dot com

Did you mean anti-aging NAD as in NicotinamideAdenineDinucleotide, the Niacin coenzyme (coenzyme-1)? I have some stabilized NADH considering LET'ing but not sure about it. Do join the group because I will soon make a post for further info. You can reply to group or email me directly. You can set your status to receive current messages by email for convenience sake if you wish.

Replied by Heinz
Tampa, Florida
Hi Timh, I tried the e-mail address Both through the EC site and my own gmail client and got a 404 error. In reviewing some older posts, I'll simply say I have a limited understanding of how debilitating health problems can be. They can drain a person of one's energy, finances and self confidence. I've been a follower of Dr. Richard Schulze for some time. I would check out his site. Dr. Schulze was a student of, then an associate of Dr. John Christopher. If you go to his blog, there are videos and some good information. He has an "Incurables Program" that may help. It starts with detoxing. First digestion, then liver, then kidneys, etc..., organ by organ. Along with nutrition. He states 85 percent of his patients were cured by doing that. I would look into juicing, Gerson therapy is a good start. I've done a bunch and what works best for me is a champion juicer because it's efficient and I don't have to spend my day tending to it. Which ever juicer you use, take the pulp and press it in a hydraulic press. You can make one. Pressing the pulp seriously makes a difference. Pressing releases many of the nutrients which are trapped in the pulp as well as giving you about 25% more juice. Look it up, you don't have to throw money at it. If you think this response is long, wait till you send me a good link and I'll send the response I made to the liposomal posting. Have a great day. Heinz
Replied by Timh Donate

Thanks for all the concern and tips. That/my email is functional and I use it as primary every day. I will mail u from there as I also have some good tips on LET I haven't disclosed.

As for the juicing, incredibly I don't juice simply because I don't have the wherewithal. The LET nutrition is a pretty big job as I make a batch of something nearly every other day.

Replied by Heinz
Tampa, Florida

I just got back from voting. Of course I voted for the lesser man. (Lesser of two evils! )

Looking forward to hearing from you, Heinz

Posted by Mama To Many Donate
(Tennessee, Usa) on 02/07/2014

Does anyone know how long homemade liposomal vitamin C is good in the refrigerator? The recipe I followed said it would be good sitting out for a few days and "much longer" if kept in the refrigerator. I have used it for 10 days after making it (when keeping in the fridge) but not sure when to toss if after that.


~Mama to Many~

Replied by Mike62
Mama: A woman stores hers at room temp. She squeezes all the air out after each use. This lasts 1 month. The c turns yellow when oxidized. Sunlight also affects the c.
Replied by Timh Donate

Mama: Not 100% certain but I think I read that w/ refrigeration 6 months would be a minimal.
Replied by Mama To Many Donate

Tennessee, Usa
Dear Mike and Timh,

Thanks so much for your responses! They are most helpful!

~Mama to Many~