Natural Detox Remedies for Fluoride Poisoning & Overload

I spent over a year working as a chemical compounder for a pharmaceutical company. They specialized in fluoride based products for the dental care industry, (eg. pastes, polishes, rinses and gels). On a daily basis for over a year, I was exposed to sodium fluoride dust and residue, stannous fluoride dust and residue and hydrofluoric acid fumes. I have since developed a debilitating condition that has not been properly diagnosed by my doctor. I have had scans, blood work, x-rays and an MRI. Still no diagnosis. Are there other people out there like me that have been exposed to large amounts of fluoride on the job and are paying for it with their lives?

Fluoride poisoning. I have been using the bloody poisonous steroid, Seretide Evohaler with the rotten Fluticasone (fluoride) in it for 30 years. True, I am just using one puff – 250 mcg but nevertheless it has screwed my brain and joints etc. The companion Ventolin relaxes the bronchial muscles plus relaxes the muscles at the base of the tongue and so – the tongue flops over the windpipe when you sleep and you stop breathing. Sleep Apnea. Most terrifying experience I have ever had. I don't sleep on my back anymore. Aren't doctors, drugs & hospitals lovely? John

Tamarind to remove fluoride poisoning. I have seen few documentaries about flouride poisoning.

In rural india where the natural spring water contains high amounts of fluoride.

People use to add a small amount of tamarind fruit, equivalent to half size of Golf Ball, in a pot of water overnight and use that water for drinking purpose.

A pot of water equal to a volume of 20 Liters. This added tamarind will remove or nullify the flouride poisoning in water.

Hi, I have seen the recommendation to add 1/4 tsp of Borax in a liter of water to leech out flouride. Is this amount of borax safe for children? My 7 yrs old girl just got diagnosed with mild Flourosis. I would like to give her the Borax-water combination. She weighs 43lbs(19. 5kg). Is it better to use the homeopathic remedy Borax 30C for children.

I have learned that pain is directly linked to acidosis and toxins in the body. After researching information from Dr. Robert Morse and Max Gerson and others I have followed their general advice to detoxify my body and use aluminum free baking soda to keep my PH above 7.0 and have started using the coffee enema to cleanse the liver. I am nearly pain free and have much improved health, no ringing in my ears, clearer thinking, no dizziness.

Mercedes from Salem, Oregon: Here's some chemistry knowledge for you: One atom difference between two molecules fundamentally changes their structure and function.

Borax is not the same as boric acid. It is a sodium salt of boric acid, which may explain your confusion. Boric acid is toxic internally, but borax (sodium tetraborate) is used as a food additive and can be used for detoxifying fluoride in small amounts. There's an LD50 for both, which means at some level both compounds will kill you. So eat a lot of either one. Or don't I mean.

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You're welcome. Next time google it. I didn't know either until I did then wikipedia made me unignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boric_acid

Incidentally, the LD50 (the dose at which half of the tested animals die, LD= Lethal Dose) of Boron is higher than ordinary table salt (that means less salt kills more rats). The Material Safety Data Sheet or MSDS for borax indicates: 'Low acute oral toxicity; LD50 in rats 4,500 to 6,000 mg/kg of body weight. No human studies or reports of adverse effects.

Compare to salt: Lowest Published Lethal Oral Dose in Man: 1000 mg/kg LD50 !! The MSDS reports: Acute oral toxicity for table salt, 3,000 mg/kg [Rat]. A lower number is more dangerous. Aspirin LD50=750 (mg/kg). Aspirin LD50 [rat] = 200!

And sorry, coffee drinkers, Caffeine =192 mg/kg [rat], even more toxic than aspirin, and way, way more toxic than borax!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose

https://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

After reading Jason Uttley's article on the fluoride / fibromyalgia connection I have decided to try borax ingestion. I have seen numerous doctors over the years looking for cause of my illness without luck. I have mostly refused medications as if they don't help in first couple days I don't keep taking them... I have a strong adversion against perscription medicine.

My Details:

10-12 years of fibromyalgia symptoms (huge overlap to fluoride poison symptoms) including:

upper back pain between shoulder blades

numbness and aching in arms, hands, fingers, elbows, and most upper body joints.

trouble sleeping due to pain... I wake up 5-10 times a night. Very hard time staying on any sleep schedule.

Can only sleep hugging a pillow and only on my side. I roll over numerous times per night due to discomfort.

hip pain sleeping

blurry vission in morning for few few hours.. Never fully clears up

very annoying tinitus high pitch ringing at all times

I am overweight, ~210lbs at 5'9"

I am male and 36 years old.

I took Cipro for 30 days about 10 years ago. This may be around the time symptoms started. It has been so long I don't remember if this exactly matches the symptoms as they came on slowly over years.

I have a scuba diving accident 17 years ago and was treated for the Bends.. Thought this may have something to do with symptoms.. Though I can not find any link or info about this relationship. It was a mind case of the bends.

I have lived in Colorado Springs for 8 years and our water Fluoride is 1.75 ppm. Interestingly I didn't think we had fluoride water as no extra is added. Why the # is so high I do not know.

More info on what I have tried previously here:

www.justanswer.com/medical/4p3bc-upper-back-shoulder-blade-spine.html

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I will post here as I try Borax. Here is my first result post:

Day1:

1/4 tsp borax, 20 Mules brand to 1 Liter of Britta filtered water (didn't have any distilled). Started drinking it about an hour before bed. I drank 1/2 of it fairly slowly before bed, so only ingested 1/8 tsp first evening.

Sleep seemed a bit deeper, though I did oversleep, as usual, the following morning. I slept from about midnight to 11am. This has become an almost normal sleep night for me. 10-11 hours to feel barely rested. However, this morning I felt a little more rested than usual.

Ringing in ears is still there at normal volume

Pain maybe slightly better, but not enough to know for sure... I have some days better/worse than others.

Muscles in shoulders and back are sore like a workout, but I did try a TENS unit for the first time yesterday and suspect that caused the muscle soreness.

I will get some distilled water soon to replace the britta water. I am however unsure how to eliminate fluoride from diet considering any drink I have when out (I eat out about 2/3 of my meals) will be tap water based.

I will post again in a day or few...

Those supposed 'fibromyalgia" symptoms sound exactly like fluoroquinolone toxicity due to antibiotics such as Cipro and Levaquin. Google 'floxed' on the internet and you will learn all about this awful situation that has hit so many of us.

You can also consider not Reverse osmosis, but a water distiller which costs around 100 to 500. Get a water distiller with a glass jug and a carbon filter element built into the distiller (OR get a water bottle/jug with a built in carbon filter and run it through the filter before drinking it).

Since sodium fluoride has a high boiling point, you're not likely to get any fluoride in the distilled water, but if you want to be sure, combine distilled water with borax and you've got yourself fluoride free water. Borax info below: A little late, but consider Borax (around 300 mg but not more than 1100mg) per 1 litre of water or a pinch per cup of water to remove fluoride from your body and the water itself.

Make sure the seller is reputable and trustworthy (use your intuition/common sense) and is at least 99.9 percent pure with the word "authentic" in the product labeling (I found eBay to work well as it's not publicly sold in shops where I'm located anymore) as there is such thing as synthetic borax which is harmful to you. Real borax comes from the mediterranean in Turkey and is around 25 for 1 kg.

On a side note: sodium fluoride is the nasty stuff whilst calcium fluoride is the good fluoride found in nature,

Also, grounding yourself (it's especially good for people who live in emf covered areas of harmful 5g, 4g, wifi 2.4 or 5Ghz, etc. Consider lowering the output TX/mW of your wireless router to low setting or around 7 to 50mW (experiment with what's comfortable with you) and switch off the 2.4 Ghz band if you can (at the cost of reduced range). If it's a router only and you can't adjust the output power then consider open-source such as dd-wrt firmware) and 100% essential oils does wonders for your health.

Search it on duckduckgo (uncensored search engine) and learn more. Emf sensitivity is also called "microwave sickness" and it's very real.

I am very grateful to Earthclinic for bringing fluoride poisoning to my attention. I had not been aware of a fluoride abundance in my body until I viewed the postings.'Fluoride wasn't the only toxic exposure crippling my life. In addition I have bismuth poisoning. Both elements, portrayed as innocent by pharmaceutical companies, but are in fact extremely toxic. My fluoride and bismuth came from over the counter and prescription drugs. I've successfully leached the fluoride but the bismuth is quite difficult to bond with and so I am still having health issues described in the below text.

The reference book Toxicology Desk Reference: The Toxic Exposure and Medical Monitoring Index, is kept in most universities and medical research facilities across the United States. Some pages of the Toxicology reference book may be accessed on the Internet by the public, but some pages are kept hidden. Pages regarding Fluoride were hidden.

Toxicology Desk Reference: The Toxic Exposure and Medical Monitoring Index
Fifth Edition (1999-2000)

Page 198
Bismuth

Hematological-The hematological effect caused by bismuth is methemoglobinemia, which can occur from exposure to bismuth subnitrate.
The definition and symptoms associated with methemoglobinemia include: the oxidized form of hemoglobin, in which the iron atom is trivalent, and which is not able to combine reversibly with oxygen. Formation of large amounts of methemoglobin prevents the normal function of hemoglobin, that of transporting oxygen in the body thus causing asphyxia of the tissues. When large amounts are present, the blood becomes chocolate-brown in color varying in intensity from lilac to a deep leaden hue, and quite different from the bluish-purple color of cyanosis due to a lack of oxygen. This distinctive tint is most noticeable on the cheeks, ears, tip of the nose, and fingernails. Sensation of weakness in the knees and a staggering gait follow. If destruction of the red blood cells is severe, anemia occurs and there may also be injuries to the kidney and liver. Jaundice and enlargement of the spleen may occur.

Page 706
Fluoride

HEENT-The HEENT effect caused by fluoride include: eye irritation; and dental caries, teeth loss, and teeth pigmentation, all of which may occur from chronic fluorosis.
Hematological-The hematological effect caused by fluoride is hyperkalemia and hypocalcemia.
Neurological-The neurological effects caused by fluoride include: hyperactive reflexes, skeletal muscle excitability, and painful spasms, all of which are felt to occur due to decreases in blood calcium.
Cardiovascular-The cardiovascular effect caused by fluoride is onset of cardiac arrhythmias, which can occur as a result of hyperkalemia.
Respiratory-The respiratory effects caused by fluoride include: Irritation to the lungs and mucous membranes of the upper respiratory tract; bronchospasm; and pulmonary edema.
Renal-The renal effect caused by fluoride is renal failure, which has been seen with chronic exposure.
Musculoskeletal-The musculoskeletal effect caused by fluoride is skeletal fluorosis, which can occur from chronic exposure. Symptoms of fluorosis include: joint pain, ossifications on x-ray, brittle bones, and calcified ligaments, alsong with other crippling changes.

California and Turkey are the two largest suppliers of Borax. Given your proximity to Turkey, it seems like it should be available in your area. Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eti_Mine_Works Here is a link to Amazon India : Https://www.amazon.in/s?k=borax&_encoding=UTF8&ref=hp_aps_search

Art

A number of trees and plants can thrive in areas of geopathic stress. Odds are if being too close to a tamarind tree would be harmful over time, it may not be the tree but where the tree is located because geopathic stress is known to lower our health. It may be that products from such a tree or plant could help us with various types of toxicity or imbalance because that plant understands how to coexist with it in balance. Elderberry is also a 'negative ray' plant in where it grows, yet Elderberry is wonderful for the immune system. Plant medicine is often helpful because of what a plant understands in its environment - for instance Aloe Vera, which is very cooling, grows in hot climates so it understands how to create that balance within excess heat for its own survival. Its skill is our medicine.

To be more specific, Boron is the mineral and Borax is a salt of boron aka Sodium Tetra borate.

Also, as for table salt, there is processed salt aka Sodium Chloride. Sea Salt or Pink Himalayan Salt are much more mineral dense and healthy compared to the commercial grade processed salt.

Hi Aaron... Borax is a very useful supplement for your Fibromylagia, but my own feeling on your problem is that you seem to have multiple issues. Any immunological disease like Fibromyalgia does not just arise from one cause, but usually arises through imbalances involving excessive intake of poisons - pesticides, heavy metals or halogens like fluoride/bromide - as well as due to lack of important nutrients - such as a lack of vitamins, amino acids or body electrolyte minerals. This lack of dietary nutrients combined with excess intake of poisons and toxins from processed food and water are what actually work to first weaken your immune system, your hormone system and your energy system etc over many years and that is when diseases like Fibromylagia strike, allowing other outside pathogens entry into your body - such as the Epstein Barr virus, candida etc. Alot of your issues also seem to stem from an acid body/blood condition, possibly due to excessive Calcium intake in your diet.

It might therefore be useful to take a broader range of supplements which will help to address your many issues:

ACV, Baking soda and Magnesium

The method is to add 2 tablespoons of organic ACV(Apple Cider Vinegar) into a glass, half fill the glass with water then add 1/4 to 1/2 tspn of Baking Soda until the fizzing stops. Drink this two or three times a day outside mealtimes. Also take 300 mgs Magnesium Chloride or Magnesium Citrate or Mag Gluconate twice a day. Or you could also use the more convenient Transdermal Method of Magnesium intake using Epsom Salts or Magnesium Chloride. The magnesium will help balance and remove excessive calcium from your tissue cells which may be causing your pain. This ACV mixture is also highly alkalizing and beneficial for the blood and the cells. The magnesium will also help to stop the tinnitis and the magnesium will also help to relax you and help you sleep properly. Here are some research details for this Fibromylagia remedy.

Lugol's Iodine

Dosage: 2 to 4 drops twice a day in a glass of water. While dealing with a 320 lb diabetic patient, Dr Flechas -- a researcher from the Iodine Project -- found that while taking 50 mgs(8 drops) of 5% Lugols Iodine, this patient was not only able to completely come off her insulin meds, but she also lost 70 lbs as well. Here is the research and testamonial. Both Magnesium and Iodine seem to have a very positve effect on reducing cell insulin receptor resistance which is caused mainly through diet by eating too much processed vegetable oils. Iodine will also boost the thyroid gland as well as help boost and aid the immune system. Iodine is also used to remove fluorine, bromine, cadmium, lead, mercury and aluminium from the body.

Liver Cleanse, Detox and Repair Option

The liver is the chemical factory of the body. It has an intimate hormonal relationship with the pancreas, the thyroid and the adrenals. It controls and balances protein, fat and sugar metabolism. If you are overweight then chances are that your liver may be stressed or damaged and cannot cope. The liver also removes the trash from the blood, as well as helps to control fat storage in the body. By cleansing, detoxing and repairing the liver you will also improve the immune system, more correctly regulate hormone balance, reduce excess fat storage and improve blood quality. This protocol is a triple anti-oxidant therapy which will help to cleanse, detox and repair the liver. Details and dosages are given here:

Chanca Piedra -- 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes.
Milk Thistle -- 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes
Alpha Lipoic Acid -- 300 mgs twice a day at mealtimes
Selenium -- 100 micrograms twice a day at mealtimes.
Vitamin C -- As Ascorbate, 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes.

Borax will certainly help to remove fluoride, will help to balance the hormones and will act as a very useful anti-fungal but it will not, in my opinion, cure the blood acidity or tissue pain or sleep problems or possible liver problems or tinnitis or overwieght problems. And since you have so many multiple issues, then perhaps it would be more uaseful if you adopted a multiple strategy -- as above -- that tries to address all the root causes at once.

Hi,

I would like to know if I ad 1/4 tsp of borax to 1 L regular tap water, than it will neutralize the fluoride and other heavy metals and other impurities found in the water?

How long can I take the combination of 1/4 tsp. of borax 1 L water? can I take it for the rest of my life, everyday?

What is exactly the protocol to clean the body from fluoride and other heavy metals? Thank you

I am hoping you will start a new supplements section on iodine. Also another section on maybe causes of ailments, like fluoride and the problems it causes. Here is my story about fluoride, iodine, and thyroid....

I first noticed my husbands goiter close to 6 months ago, at that time it had become quite noticeable and was indeed very large. Obviously concerned for his health he went to see his doctor, who referred him to an endocrinologist, who then referred him to a surgeon. Strangely enough they told him his blood levels were normal and he didn't have a thyroid condition.... interesting since he has this giant goiter on his neck. lol

At the time there was so little that I knew about thyroid disease and I didn't have much interest in it, I was concerned for my husband but thought that surgery was the only option. Then my husband began to have panic attacks after my daughter was born, and at home no less (I now understand it to also cause and fluctuation of the thyroid hormone)! I honestly thought it was a mind over matter and went searching online to prove that he just needed to stop scaring himself. Instead what I found was that his panic attacks were actually caused by the goiter. Because I had my daughter at home without a midwife, just me him and my mother (planned it that way ; ) I had already learned a few natural remedies, while looking up honey and the wonderful benefits of it I also learned of coconut oil, though I only learned about it being good for pimples. I was interested in purchasing some coconut oil online and that's when I found some of the most amazing information. The site selling it said it helped with thyroid conditions, I wasn't going to believe them, after all they were selling it they would say anything to sell their product right? So I looked up thyroid forums and testimonies regarding the use of coconut oil and sure enough I found out that it was indeed beneficial to his thyroid. Well I ran out to the store and bought some the next day, in the car my husband was exhausted and began to have a panic attack and I told him to take some coconut oil, he only had a 1/4 of a teaspoon and ten minutes later his attack had subsided and he felt energized! After this experiment, we continued treatment and slowly worked up to 3tblspns a day where he's at now. After that revelation and since we had his attacks under control (and in fact after taking it for a week he no longer even experienced an attack) I went back online to find out what we needed to do to shrink his goiter. That's when I learned about iodine and how important it is and how many people are deficient and thus many are hypothyroid and even still many are undiagnosed with hypothyroidism. I also learned about what counteracts iodine, like soy which is a big one since it is in just about all prepackaged foods. When I found out how important iodine was for the thyroid and how the thyroid makes hormones for your whole body I became interested in what else iodine deficiency was responsible for, And do you know what I found? Lots! Here is a sight that lists all the symptoms of iodine deficiency...

But first, after realizing that my husbands thyroid was caused by a change in his diet, I began racking my brain thinking of what on earth has changed over the past year. I've been trying to figure it out for the past couple months and today I found it.

During our big change to all, well almost all, things healthy, I remembered reading about people using toothpaste that doesn't have fluoride in it.. I looked online for the reason why and WOW, what I found is shocking! Fluoride also counteracts iodine, it inhibits the uptake of iodine to your thyroid and we both know (at least by now) how important adequate amounts of iodine are to your thyroid. So I told my sister about it and she said that she didn't think we had fluoridated water, so I searched for the cities that had it in OC and that's when I came across this article ( http://www.ocregister.com/article/water-fluoride-county-1924513-muir-doctors ). I told my sister what I'd found out and how the time they added fluoride pretty much coincided with the onset of my husbands goiter and the worsening of his thyroid (I believe he has been hypothyroid for a long time as have I and my mother based on the symptoms) and my sister said that she has experienced a worsening of her asthma over the past year!

I am interested in asking friends of mine who have symptoms of iodine deficiency whether they experienced and increase or decrease in their symptoms over the last year (without divulging anything till they have answered so that my findings are not biased) I will report back later with some of my findings, but I am interested if anyone else has experienced similar problems after their area had been fluoridated.

http://charles_w.tripod.com/fluoride.html

http://www.ocregister.com/article/water-fluoride-county-1924513-muir-doctors

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/symptoms.html

Borax helped me detox from fluoride. I didn't have fluoride poisoning, exactly, but my thyroid wasn't working well -- I only realised this years later, after things got REALLY bad & I was at long last diagnosed. The dr said I had an auto-immune disease, my immune system was attacking my thyroid. he said the thing to do was supplement the thyroid. I thought "why not try to balance the immune system?" but I didn't say anything.

Thanks to Ted's hint about borax, I am feeling better. In fact at times I have to stop & un-do some of my improvements, because I need my medicine lowered & the dr won't lower it yet.

what has helped me, very much, is:
eliminate all sources of fluoride; so , drink pure water, switch toothpaste, & cook from scratch using pure water.... avoid foods that cause trouble for the thyroid: peanut butter, broccoli/cabbage/etc.... avoid foods that OVERstimulate my immune system -- it is already over active so I sure don't need it more active! I rarely have oranges or other citrus any more.
When I do, I have that muscle-spams again, that I used to have all the time; I have to be sure to have anything like citrus, in the morning, & at night be certain I don't forget the borax, or else I will have restless legs at night. I find that taking selenium really helps. It helps balance my immune system. ...I also take kelp, about 1 or 2 capsules a day...and vitamin D. ...also, I did start adding iodine into my drinking water that I drink at night, and sometimes I apply it to my skin on my inner wrists (it's absorbed there). When I am doing everything , I stay well.

I don't know if my medicine contains fluoride. I hope not, but I am going to ask the pharmacist.

Thanks so much for the information about the Fluoride Tea! I can't believe how well this stuff works. I'm hypersensitive to fluoride and so many things hurt me when I try to pull out fluoride, but this did it well and did not poison me from pulling too much. Love it!

Iodine supplementation markedly increases urinary excretion of fluoride and bromide - Letters to the Editor
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875

"With 3 tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide.

I've followed Ted's remedy regarding fluoride poisoning. I noticed that the neck and back pain only disappeared when I used the Tamarind powder with the Borax. I've been leaching with the borax for at least 30 weeks now. The symptom that seems to be resistant is the restless leg syndrome that appeared after my last stilt with anti-depressants chalked full of fluoride. My question is will the restless leg ever disappear? I take calcium, magnesium, zinc, potassium, iodine and b-complex. From researching it is recommended to take iron but I have cancer and can not. The pulsing in my leg keep me awake at night and depress my activities 70%. It's not just pulsing but it is the weakness that goes with the pulsing. Does anyone recover from fluoride poisoning completely?

My name is Ron and I have no doubt about ALL the talk on Fluoride Poisoning.

I Started the ONLY Fluoride Poisoning Support Group on the web.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FluoridePoisoning/message/3

Message 3 at yahoo group FluoridePoisoning

Everything you have ever known or heard about Fluoride is false. Fluoridated water is the biggest scam ever pulled on the WORLD and is killing and sickining people everywhere..

I have been sick since 97 My symptoms did not start all at once but became progressivly worse until the present.

Symptoms:
blurry vision - on and off not continously. got new glasses just
before I went for last MRI reading. Also looked for ICP by looking at
optic disc.

leg pains - hip, shoulder joints - I can't cross my legs - feels like
my joints are coming apart

muscle cramps and charley horses in calfs and arch of feet

mental confusion -short term memory - seems I really have to work at
remembering daily stuff

Headaches ( frontal)_ worse as day goes on

dizziness, like an airpane ride , disconnected , sometimes feels like
I am 3 feet off the ground or I am sitting sideways up on the wall -
no spinning vertigo

Brain fog - I suspect this is what alhzimers must feel like

tinnitus,-
otolaringologist says I have low frequency hearing loss

irritability - lashing out at family for no apparent reason
lack of concentration

can't sleep - up at 3-4 am and can't get back to sleep

Need to lie down in the afternoon - exhausted - feels like I am in a
comotose state - at times I can hear what is happening around me but
I can't respond

Getting fine tremmors in legs & eyelid

Dysphagia - throat feels swollen , hard to swallow at times - THROAT
GOES OPEN AND CLOSED -worse after exercise

cold hands & feet at times - cold all over at times

profuse sweating - sometimes I sweat like a pig for 15 min. after a
shower

No appitite - constant nausea - lots of bread & milk

muscle weakness & myalgic pain moving all the time

Lower back pain and neck pain comes and goes I don't think itis
linked to exercise

hands and heels really hurt at times

electric like shocks in left leg ( thigh, sometimes in feet and toes)
worst ones happen while I am
lying on couch watching TV - doubled over in pain

Fatigue is increadible - last two hours and consider it a good day!

Gums bleed , had periodontal disease

bone loss in jaw,- according to periodontist and dentist

teeth feel loose, USED TO BE ABLE TO WIGGLE THEM WITH MY TONGUE ,

drooling at times

Soft stools all the time -almost diarrhea

Getting pins and needles on chest and back after a hot shower and hot
days and exercise - started after surgery i think

Itching on arms and waist especially after a hot shower but other
times too

Seems like all this happens after I eat!!! things get worse and also
after exercise

chest pain in ribs on right side, then on left side

Heels really hurt as do my "heels " of my hands

longitudal ridges on finger/toe nails

History ( very brief- this is just the tip of the iceburg)

self diagnosed Chiari Malformation - my brains are swelling into my
spinal column - had decompression surgery in 2000 - symptoms
continued and worsened

self diagnosed Heavy metal poisoning - challenge test showed lead
mercury etc. - this was according to a holistic doctor and allopathic
doctors do not recognize these results. Chelated with DMSA - numbers
came down- still sick - then 10 weeks of EDTA IV thearpy - still sick.

Rhum. Doc diagnosis of Fibromyalgia - 6/02

self diagnosed Fluoride Poisoning - may 2002- one night I got sick
after dinner - and a couple of days later I thought back about what I
did different that nite - I drank three glasses of city water at that
meal instead of milk. Fluoride calcium seeks and makes it less toxic.

I did my own blind tests - I can pick out F water EVERY time - my
daughter can tell by my eyes if I have had 3 glasses of water!

I have confronted docs with this - Some look at me like I'm from
outer space, some belittle me, others just laugh.
My neurologist looked at me wide eyed and ordered serum and urine
fluoride tests. He never called me back. I went and got copies 3
weeks later and both were ELEVATED - my blood levels are 10x normal -
he has NOT dx me or schedualed another appmt.
Romhatoligist dx me with fibromyalgia and then I told her about
Fluoride - she doesn't want to see me again!

I found Dr. Myra Preston PHD - of SIBER IMAGING who has a patented
method of dx CFIDS through QEEG. I did before and after tests
dirnking my city water and I think I now have proof that F causes
brain damage in humans and is one of the causes of these "mysterious
syndromes" CFS,FM,GWS, MCS etc.
I scanned the report and will send it to you in another private
email if you wish, as it is 8 pages long.
Please give feed back if you can. I am willing to take this document
to court and start the fight against Fluorodation. I think this could
be the straw that breaks the camels back.

TEST RESULTS FROM DR PRESTON

Mine are unusual as I did two tests because my fluoronated city water
was making me sick. First test after staying away from as much F as
possible for 2 weeks - second test after drinking my city water for
24 hours.

Highlights:

tested positive for all four variables to be classified as CFIDS
patient on both tests

Impression: RGE's QEEG prior to drinking water was abnormal. The
abnormalities are primarly in the ratios to total brain activation.
the prominence of slow wave activity is recorded in the delta and
theta frequencies. The lack of beta activity alsorepresents an
abnormal finding.

Following the exposure to water, RGE's delta activity increased,
theta activity decreased... Performance on these tests declined
sharply from the pre-to post water drinking... total brain function
declined in the post-water drinking QEEG.

Conclusions: Extremely abnormal QEEG due to the diffuse delta and
theta activity and the lack of brain activation in the beta range in
the frontal and temporal regions. This pattern correlates with the
patients report of severe cognitive loss. Abnormalities such as these
correlate with the limbic system and immune dysfunction, the fatigue,
the cognitive problems. It is important to note that the pre-water
evaluationwas quite abnormal, confirming the chronicity of the
patients illiness. The post-water drinking decline correlates with
the patients history of fluoride poisoning. Exposure to this toxin
exacerbated the neurophysiological disruption. ...

... RGE clearly exhibits diffuse brain dysfunction, which typically
results from a widespread condition such as a metabolic disease
including heavy metal poisoning. This indicates a neurotoxic
poisoning. Fluoride is a neurotoxin that acts on postsynaptic
receptors. This neurotoxic condition correlates with the disrupted
brain physiology and the secondary development od Chronic Fatigue
Immune Dysfinction and Fibromyalgia Syndrome.

I have seen every "oligist" on the planet it seems and the long version of my health problems are on posts/messages 5-10

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FluoridePoisoning/messages/1

A research study by 3-science Universities/Laboratories in Mexico, peer reviewed & accepted as of 2011 by the Int'l Journal of Environmental Research & Pub Health concluded the following :

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037067/

"Data from our study show that, despite values of excretion within an optimal fluoride intake range, the prevalence of caries, (i.e., dental cavities), was significant in both groups, and 60% of the 11- to 12-year-old children presented with dental fluorosis. In addition, variable fluoride concentrations in products frequently consumed by children were found."

The study population included pre-schoolers, 4-5year olds, & school children, 11-12 year olds. The urinary excretion of fluoride was measured in both age groups Note that urinary excretion does not mean total excretion as there is a maximum excretion to absorbtive retention ratio meaning, there is always a unknown accumulative residue of fluoride which stores in boney structures & other non-osteo parts of the body such as glands, brain, etc., which the kidneys cannot completely eliminate. Fluorosis is the degradation of the dental enamel & represents a readily available exterior view of further internal damage. Besides China, Mexico is another manufacturer & supplier of fluoride to the U.S. & I was expecting a biased report/study to protect corporate interests. As fluoride is being used for medication, the type of fluoride is NOT pharmaceutical grade as required by the FDA for all medications provided in the U.S. The type supplied is agricultural grade which contains other toxic contaminants such as arsenic, lead, etc. I have also found that fluoride effects the neurodegeneration of the brain & one study found curcumin, as the agent responsible for most of the biological activity of turmeric, to be beneficial in protecting against this damage & that research is here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969660/

The amount of curcumin used is 30mg/kg BW dissolved in olive oil which equals, approximately, 15mgs per pound of body weight. Curcumin is fat soluable & it is important to combine with a healthy fat such as coconut, fish oil, etc.

Thx for the post. Similar problems - I had it post a head injury so I couldn't say if it was the injury or the anesthesia. How often did u take the borax before u saw improvement? I feel slight side effects like mild headache and less hunger. Did u face any?

Stacey in Co. Springs. You are correct about the fluoride--however please let me warn you. Fluoride is not the only nasty in your water as we learned the hard way. You need to be aware of perchlorate and nitrates also in the deepwater table of that area. It's very serious!

salt is a cockroach killer, too. Just sayin.

Hi Aaron,
I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia 20years ago... and your letter could have been written by me - symptom wise anyway.
I just have a few more things to suggest trying that I have found helpful for the fatigue and upper back shoulder thing....

An incline board really helps the spinal compression to loosen up and gives a really good stretch. Also, I just started rebounding a couple of weeks ago, and the energy I have been having due to it is AMAZING. Something to do with moving the lymph out of the body with the bouncing motion. Maybe do a web search on "benefits of rebounding"? I also Youtube's it.

As far as supplements, I take ACV (1 oz) and then 3 tbsp Organic VCO (Virgin Coconut Oil) in my coffee.

Also - Boron 3mg a day (another amazing mineral to research! ) D-3 at 4, 000 IU a day, Magnesium at 400mg a day, and slight calcium to balance out.... But keeping the Calcium at equal or less mg as the mag. Vitamin C - 2, 000 a day (broken up into 2 doses) and lots of WATER! The human body needs much more water than it is generally getting. There are books written on this!

Fibromyalgia is a miserable thing, and I hope you figure out what you need to do to feel good again!
Carly

It's baking powder that often contains aluminum.

Baking soda contains no aluminum. Just because one brand of baking soda says "contains no aluminum" does NOT mean that other brands of baking soda contain aluminum.

I did extentensive searching on this and from what I saw, it appears that there are no sources of sodium bicarbonate that have aluminum in them. If you have other data, please post the source of this data (but please don't post rumors.)

Claudia, research Dr. Carolyn Dean's blog and download her free e-book. She specifically discusses Cipro and tendon/joint damage. In developing Cipro, pharmaceutical companies manufacture this antibiotic and a host of other meds with fluorine so it is potentiated in the body. The fluoride molecules attach to the magnesium, crystallizes and heads for the joints - hence all the pain. Tendon damage takes awhile to heal. Read her blog - she has researched this topic her entire career as an MD and ND. She is the real deal.

Good Luck, MyWay, :D

Fluoride is highly damaging to the thyroid gland. Pure water is a must... The enzyme poison effect extends to our genes; DNA cannot repair itself, and chromosomes are damaged. Work at the University of Missouri showed genital damage, targeting ovaries and testes. Also affected is inter uterine growth and development of the foetus, especially the nervous system. Increased incidence of Down's Syndrome has been documented. Fluorides are mutagenic. That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body; but bones are particularly picked out. The incidence of osteosarcoma in a study reporting in 1991 showed an unbelievable 50% increase. A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated. My particular concern is the effect of fluorides on the thyroid gland

Perhaps I may remind you about thyroid disease. The thyroid gland produces hormones which control our metabolism - the rate at which we burn our fuel. Deficiency is relatively common, much more than is generally accepted by many medical authorities: a figure of 1:4 or 1:3 by mid life is more likely. The illness is insidious in its onset and progression. People become tired, cold, overweight, depressed, constipated; they suffer arthritis, hair loss, infertility, atherosclerosis and chronic illness. Sadly, it is poorly diagnosed and poorly managed by very many doctors in this country. What concerns me so deeply is that in concentrations as low as 1ppm, fluorides damage the thyroid system on 4 levels.

1. The enzyme manufacture of thyroid hormones within the thyroid gland itself. The process by which iodine is attached to the amino acid tyrosine and converted to the two significant thyroid hormones, thyroxine (T4) and liothyronine (T3), is slowed.

2. The stimulation of certain G proteins from the toxic effect of fluoride (whose function is to govern uptake of substances into each of the cells of the body), has the effect of switching off the uptake into the cell of the active thyroid hormone.

3. The thyroid control mechanism is compromised. The thyroid stimulating hormone output from the pituitary gland is inhibited by fluoride, thus reducing thyroid output of thyroid hormones.

4. Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured. These damaging effects, all of which occur with small concentrations of fluoride, have obvious and easily identifiable effects on thyroid status. The running down of thyroid hormone means a slow slide into hypothyroidism. Already the incidence of hypothyroidism is increasing as a result of other environmental toxins and pollutions together with wide spread nutritional deficiencies. 141 million Europeans are at risk.

One further factor should give us deep anxiety. Professor Hume of Dundee, in his paper given earlier this year to the Novartis Foundation, pointed out that iodine deficiency is growing worldwide. There are 141 million Europeans are at risk; only 5 European countries are iodine sufficient. UK now falls into the marginal and focal category. Professor Hume recently produced figures to show that 40% of pregnant women in the Tayside region of Scotland were deficient by at least half of the iodine required for a normal pregnancy. A relatively high level of missing, decayed, filled teeth was noted in this non-fluoridated area, suggesting that the iodine deficiency was causing early hypothyroidism which interferes with the health of teeth. Dare one speculate on the result of now fluoridating the water? It also displaces Iodine in the body.. **********************************************************

Try having 2 teaspoons in a cup of water with half a teaspoon of honey, I have just read from alot of people it is really hard to keep down, after having it now for a few weeks, it almost tastes like weak cordial, and its all a mind over matter. I discovered Apple cider vinegar when my cat became sick with a Urinary Tract infection, upon giving him a teaspoon in his wet tuna mix, and a bit of water, he was happier in a matter of hours and is completely normal now. To everyone seeking a detox or a trying to lose weight, I can assure you this works. But make sure you use only pure water.

WARNING!

I was researching damage to the hippocampus, (see hippocampus on Wiki or equal),& found that many of the disease states listed from ADD to Alzheimers are very prevalent in society & many of the drugs prescribed for treatment contain in one form or another fluoride. Approximately 1500 antidepressants contain fluoride. A friend was prescribed a compound of cortisone cream for dermatitis which contained fluoride. Its everywhere folks, & its earlier use goes all the way back to guess who, Hitler. There are a few states that do not use fluoride in their drinking water & Hawaii as of 2-yrs ago was voting to remove its use from their water.

Hi Roland...You can certainly leech out the fluoride from your body using borax. Borax also acts as one of the best fungal killers and also kills bacteria as well as balances the hormones and is also good for bone.

A more complete regimen to clear all dangerous halides from your body -- that's fluorides, bromides and chlorides -- is simply to take iodine. You can supplement iodine taking either Iodoral tablets or Lugol's iodine or simply use iodine foot-painting with tincture of iodine(as I do). Iodine will also leech out lead and mercury from your body as well.

Ways to clear heavy metals are -- take cilantro (chinese parsely, coriander leaf) three times a week in salads or just drink green tea several times a day. You can also take take sodium thiosulfate regularly to rid heavy metals from your body. See the relevant section here:

Sodium Thiosulfate Heavy Metal Detox

If you are using borax to clear fluorides then it is sensible to take this protocol for four days on with three days off every week.

I was under the impression green tea is one of the highest sources of fluoride.. unless the product specifically states fluoride has been removed.

Don't drink green tea for detox! Green tea has loads of aluminum fluoride in it. The tea plant is an aluminum and fluoride accumulator, it absorbs both from the soil. Black tea too for that matter and Roiibos tea. White tea due to being from younger leaves has less aluminum fluoride, but still some. The same is true for organic black green tea. What countries in this world have millions of cases of skeletal fluorosis? China and India... inform yourself.

Hi all. When I found out how to drive the deadly fluoride out of human bodies, MINE, I was overjoyed. The science is impeccable. ENJOY

Doctor James Howenstine MD on Iodine
I thank my lucky stars for running into this insightful Doctor's cogent observations on the super critical mineral iodine.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james37.htm

"Iodine has a role in promoting general well being as well as protecting against infections, degenerative diseases and cancer. Iodine promotes the normal killing of defective and abnormal cells (apoptosis). Thus, iodine helps the body's surveillance system to detect and remove abnormal cells. Additionally, the presence of iodine triggers differentiation away from the more dangerous undifferentiated type of cell toward normal cells. The presence of adequate levels of iodine in the body (Japanese diet with lots of sea vegetables and fish) reduces reactive oxygen species (ROS). in the body which decreases the oxidative burden in the body. This results in slowing of degeneration disease processes and decreasing the risk of cancer."

"The mammary glands have a trapping system for iodine similar to that of the thyroid gland. The breasts effectively compete with the thyroid gland for ingested iodine. This distribution of iodine to both breast and thyroid gland in pubertal girls explains why goiter is 6 times more common in girls than pubertal boys. The disappearance of iodine into breast tissue in women leads to decreased ability to supply the thyroid gland with an adequate amount of iodine. The development of a goiter in young girls indicates deficient distribution of iodine to both breast and thyroid tissue. Treating such a patient with thyroid hormone is not sensible and appears to increase the risk of breast cancer." Note women you MUST solve this problem yourself, the average doc jumps right to the thyroid meds. IMO get at least 14 mg of iodine/day

"Iodine therapy helps the body eliminate fluoride, bromine, lead, cadmium, arsenic, aluminum and mercury. Could this substitution of bromine for iodine have been carried out to increase diseases and thus create more need for pharmaceutical drugs?" Note you have NO idea how good it makes me feel to hear a mainstream doctor voice the obvious

"Several human organs need iodine but can not absorb it until blood iodine levels reach high values (stomach, salivary glands). Most persons exhibit impaired production of stomach acid as they age. This impaired capability to produce adequate stomach acid may be a result of iodine deficiency as iodine promotes stomach acidity." Note low zinc will also promote low stomach acid

"Excessive clotting and vascular disease resulting from high levels of lipoprotein (a) can be reversed by iodine treatment."

"Dr. Abrahams thinks that the correct quantity of iodine needed to maintain sufficient amounts of iodine in the body is 13 mg. daily. This is 100 times more than the government recognized RDA for iodine."

Doctor James Howenstine, MD

Doctor Al Sears MD on Iodine Deficiency Problems

http://www.alsearsmd.com/iodine-deficiency-a-teaspoon-for-a-lifetime/

"A lot of iodine is concentrated in breast tissue. When you don't have enough, you can develop fibrocystic breast disease. Up to 93% of American women have it. This is when your breasts become very painful and have nodules and cysts in them. The longer you have this disease, the higher potential for breast cancer." Doctor Al Sears MD

"Iodine is concentrated in the stomach. When you don't have enough, you develop a condition that feels like you have too much stomach acid. But it's just the opposite... you don't have enough. If it goes on long enough, it can develop into stomach cancer." Doctor Al Sears MD

"Tear glands in your eyes contain large amounts of iodine. Lack of iodine can cause dry eyes." Doctor Al Sears MD

"Iodine is concentrated in the ovaries. Women who lack iodine develop cysts. The greater deficiency, the more cysts. It can also lead to a disease called polycystic ovarian disease." Doctor Al Sears MD

These are some of the low iodine problems Doctor Al Sears a well practiced clinician has seen in his practice over the years. It opened my eyes.

A way to REMOVE Fluoride from your Body

"Iodine therapy helps the body eliminate fluoride, bromine, lead, cadmium, arsenic, aluminum and mercury. Could this substitution of bromine for iodine have been carried out to increase diseases and thus create more need for pharmaceutical drugs?" Doctor James Howenstine, MD

"Dr. Abrahams thinks that the correct quantity of iodine needed to maintain sufficient amounts of iodine in the body is 13 mg. daily. This is 100 times more than the government recognized RDA for iodine." Doctor James Howenstine, MD

Most of us are deficient in iodine. This deficiency allows the fluoride to displace what little iodine we have. Repleting your iodine along with CEASING fluoride ingestion, can drive out the fluoride out of your body. To replete your iodine you will HAVE to start thinking of milligrams of iodine NOT micrograms.

Avoid these which can prevent your Absorption of Iodine (** = cooking usually eliminates the problem)

Corn ** (See Grain Protocol) make sure corn is NOT GMO, 85% is
Drugs (See Drug Protocol)
Soybeans and Soy Oil
Chlorinated Water (See Chlorine Protocol)
Fluoridated Water (See Fluoride Protocol)
Millet ** (See Millet Protocol)
Mustard ** (See Mustard Protocol) go easy
Peanuts ** (See Peanut Protocol)
Raw Cruciferous Vegetables ** (See Cruciferous Vegetables Protocol)

Iodate Sources

* Seaweed one quarter of an ounce of dried seaweed can contain 4 mg of iodine. This is the ONLY food to consider if you are deficient
* Seafood
* Eggs
* Pineapple

Here is an easy way to tell if you are Deficient in Iodine

Get a bottle of Tincture of Iodine. Paint a square inch or two of the tincture of Iodine on your upper thigh as you sit. If your body absorbs all the iodine in less than 24 hours you are deficient; repaint doubling painted area. Repeat this procedure until your body does not absorb all the iodine in 24 hours.

Iodine Repletion

IMO the very best way to accomplish the iodate repletion Doctor Howenstine recommends is to eat about 4 ounces (dry weight) of a good Japanese Seaweed every day or every other day for at least a few months. After that go on a maintenance dose of once or twice a week. I recommend going to a place who carries Asian foods. Talk to them about a good bio-available source of iodate. The red or brown seaweeds usually contain the most iodate.

Severely iodine deficient people can often take up to a year to replete with even daily seaweed. If you suspect you are not repleting sufficiently on seaweed consider working with an integrative doctor. Solving an iodine deficiency can result in an improvement in MANY areas of your health and should IMO be taken seriously. Lugol's and Iodoral supplements are used by many to replete iodine. I have gotten severely depleted several times and taken 50 mg/day for a month or so.

Keep an Eye on your Iodine

I take at least ten kelp tablets (See Kelp Protocol) a day for my iodate, take an iodine liquid, eat seaweed and test with Tincture of Iodine every week or so. Usually my symptoms of hypothyroidism will remind me when I have missed a day or two.

Potassium Iodine a very useful substance
The great Iodate Scam
Lugol's Iodine Solution read the reviews for use and dose information
Iodoral Iodine Supplement

Hi Sue...to answer your question...cilantro is a very powerful chelator of heavy metals. It actually releases it from the cells. However, a binder (like bentonite clay or diatomaceous earth) is needed to bind to the newly released metals in order to excrete them more efficiently so they're not re-deposited back into the body.

I slowly went from 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon dose borax to remove fluoride from the body. I quit after about 2 days on the 1/4 teaspoon dose. I mixed it properly in pure water according to the directions that I found here. I had to go off of the borax due to aches and pains in the testicles, kidneys, and head. I was very frightened, especially about that kidney pains. Unfortunately, the pains indicated damage. I now, months afterwards, have pain in the kidneys every day, and I have actually LOST almost all of my sex drive. The pains indicated damage that seems permanent. Being prediabetic, perhaps I shouldn't have risked kidney damage!!!! But I miss my sex drive more. It's gone, and borax is not only as toxic as salt to me. Not by far.

This is not the correct way to do it. The proper method is to dissolve the borax 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon in ONE LITER of drinking water and drink throughout the day. It was not designed to take in pure powder form, usually to rid of autoimmunity disease or a known fluoride poisoning. In rabbit test the dose is roughly lower than this concentration to protect against fluoride poisoning when they added lethal dose of fluoride.

Ted

Dave from Surrey may of indeed been poisoned by boric acid use instead of borax as you suggested. And I'm sorry to point out that in the article's references notated under

"A STUDY OF ANTIDOTES FOR FLUORINE S. MARCOVITCH 1 and W. W. STANLEY 1"

you will read that "Boric acid also has some value as an antidote through the formation of a fluoborate." The problem is that this is a pesticide used to kill roaches and ants and there needs to be a warning posted to prevent future misuse of this information! Thank you.

Please listen to me very carefully. I have medullary sponge kidney (Cacchi Ricci disease). I've had this all my life, and I want to help you with your kidney pains. Everyone develops kidney stones, some never come out. But, for those who have kidney stones that cause issues and pain in our kidneys... We aren't so lucky. I use to suffer, every day. I don't now.

Go to Sam's club or order online : 400 mg liquid cap magnesium oxide. Magnesium Oxide stops kidney stones from forming and breaks apart formed stones. I will die on this hill, because there has been over 100 years of research. If you're worried about diarrhea, take either bentonite clay or iron (it's ok to take 2 iron pills when you need to take magnesium oxide).

I hope this helps cleanse your kidneys and makes them hurt less. I take it when I feel a stone or my kidneys start to hurt.

I haven't had any sort of stones in years (drinking lemonade and occasionally taking a swig of olive oil since gallstones) but have explored the information and added this remedy to my database. Thank you for sharing your experience!

I have not yet tried this but a friend shared this info with me recently:

Reading the Wheatgrass Book from Ann Wigmore, I want to share with you this incredible discovery :

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Page 62
Chapter " ARE YOU PROTECTED FROM THE HAZARDS OF MODERN LIVING? "

"A few years ago, I ( Ann Wigmore ) asked Dr. GH Earp Thomas of the Bloomfield Laboratories in High Bridge, New Jersey, to do an experiment for me. He placed a small amount of wheatgrass juice in a jar of regular tap water and he tested it for fluoride and other chemicals present in the water...

Both of us were surprised by the results!

He concluded, "Fluorine rapidly combines with calcium phosphate and other kinetic elements to lose its toxic properties, and harden teeth and bones. that is why fresh grass would act as a catalyst to speedily change the acid fluorine into a beneficial component with a positive reaction...

By using wheatgrass, which is comparatively rich in calcium phosphate, it would remove any free fluoric acid and change its negative charge to an alkaline calcium phosphate fluoride combination with a positive reaction"

I was amazed (Ann Wingmore )

not only did wheatgrass neutralize the toxic effect of fluorine but it converted it into an ally in maintaining healthy bones and teeth! I don't recommend that you drink tap water, though; pure spring or purified water taste better and is much better for you. But if you cannot obtain spring or purified water, pour a little wheatgrass juice into regular tap water, and it will make it more healthful..."

book info: The Wheatgrass Book: How to Grow and Use Wheatgrass to Maximize Your Health and Vitality (Avery Health Guides)

Author: Ann Wingmore