Natural Detox Remedies for Fluoride Poisoning & Overload

Fluoride Poisoning Symptoms
Posted by Leo (Boca Raton, Florida) on 12/23/2008

Fluoride as a wonderful thing is not nearly the worst scam in the world. It should be added that fluoride, in small repetitive doses over time, such as using toothpaste with fluoride for years, destroys a certain area of the brain that makes the person more easily controllable. This is an example of how governments keep the masses from revolting. As for the REAL cause behind Lyme disease and all other related diseases, such as chronic fatigue syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS, etc. Check out the following link: http://nationallymereport.com/?p=113

Go ahead and research that this link is truth and not some conspiracy theory. Check out U.S. Patent #5242820.

Thanks to all for the info on Borax and related.


Borax
Posted by Edith (West Palm Beach, FL) on 11/03/2008

This is a comment for Chris (11/03/2008) regarding the borax. Hi Chris, the Borax is in the laundry detergent section in the store. First time when I have found the Borax in the laundry detergent section in the local grocery store I was surprised. I am from another country so I was clueless what is the borax. I asked the pharmacist what he thinks if I put a tiny Borax to my drinking water. He didn't seem surprised he said people using the Borax for different kind of weird reasons probably it will kill the bacteria in my water. I am using the 20 Mule Team Borax (chemical name is Sodium Tetraborate Decahydrate) with very good result. I am using it treating Candida and knee arthritis. Regards, Edith


Borax and Sea Salt
Posted by Kimberley ( Denver, Colorado ) on 04/25/2015

Hi I hear you I have the same problem from Paxcil, celexa, wellbutrin, and many others, I have been trying to fight then and sure them I had two children born with defects and now have fluoride toxicity it's an everyday battle flushing my self and I been ding it for a year now and I still suffer beats of these medications not only that but it also made me cut my self and react suicidal to everything more that I do not take this medicine I have gotten out of the fog and I deal with things way better and never think of suicide!!! When I called the lawyers for this stuff they are rude and act like I am the problem like I poisoned my self the thing is they started me on this medicine when I was 12 in 1994 and they know they are aware yet they keep giving it to people it's disgusting. The future diagnosed me and told me and little think I am a conspiracy nut and I say o so the real doctors are the crazy one and the psychiatrist are the sane one?? This system is sickening.


Borax and Sea Salt
Posted by peg (Virginia USA) on 04/04/2022

The certainty that "they" are trying to kill us has come to me. Like you, I am battling life threatening issues from the poisoning of our environment (for me it's also EMF exposure that potentiated the other poisonings). Stand strong, avoid the intense brainwashing, and we will soon be rid of these human killers.


Aloe Vera Juice
Posted by Dorothee Krien (Cork City, Ireland) on 08/28/2007
★★★★★

I moved to Ireland where the public water supply is fluoridated. A single cup of fluoridated water gives me an extreme headache - I suffer from multiple chemcial sensitivity. I try to avoid drinking fluoridated water as much as possible, but soemtimes it is simply impolite to refuse an offered cup of tea or coffee. By chance I found that fresh aloe vera helps me to get rid of the headache. I notice the prematurely aged skin of most Irish women, most of whom have the genetic make-up for beautiful skin. A' female friend with a very beautiful skin - she is in her fifties - told me that she has been taking aloe vera juice for the past fifteen years.

Boron (Borax) and Tamarind
Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) 391 posts

Actually boron has a high binding to fluoride too, much like tamarind which binds strongly to fluoride. Tamarind gel and tamarind while it binds strongly to fluoride don't seem to cause deposition of fluoride and seems to further remove additional fluoride in the body.

There is also a dog study that showed increase fluoride excretion despite the high fluoride of the tamarind, to cause fluoride deposited in the bones to be removed and helped avoid fluorosis. Of course, I am a bit of a purist and prefer the borax remedy without the fluoride binding, and allow the boron itself to bind the fluoride when it is taken for the fluoride removal process. Some people may lean with more natural products such as taking tamarind might be ideal in case of a food poisoning or fluorosis, provided of course tamarind are easy to find.


Borax
Posted by Julie (Paris, France) on 11/21/2020

I'm using Borax too and finally discovered that it dissolves very quickly in warm water.


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Laurie (Fishers, Indiana ) on 10/16/2015

For one year now, I have been taking supplements due to low levels of vitamin D3, B12, and iodine. My doctor decided it must be because of fluoride toxicity. I also have taken iodine for 2 years and magnesium, topically. My supplements also include an adrenal supplement from MedixSelect (Dr. Brownstein works with them) and I have taken BioQuench (Biotivia) for several years for inflammation of the ovaries due to pcos. The mangosteen fruit 'skin' is the best anti-inflammatory for this condition. My whole family is hypoglycemic but I am the only one with very bad 'pcos' since my first pregnancy.

I take glucophage (2,000 mg/day). Tried to get off it and was totally out of control. Cholesterol, triglycerides and weight went up.

Just discovered my 2 quarts of strong tea day might not be good. Ugh! So, I started drinking more water. We've had a Big Berkey for over two years. Oh, and a few weeks ago, I began eating apples almost daily. I have since learned that they detox fluoride.

Suddenly, after a year, I am feeling awful. Palpitations occuring almost daily started two weeks ago, joint pains and weakness this week. I added Coral Calcium for the heart rhythm, figuring it was from the pcos.

I have most of the symptoms of finally detoxing and want to know how to abate the feeling of being sick, weak, achy, and the stiff neck. Does it usually take this long to start detoxing fluoride? How long will it take once it starts one has been heavily exposed for 40 plus years?

What was very interesting to me was the list of symptoms of fluoride toxicity. In my late 30s, I suddenly developed interstitial cystitis which was treated as a repeated bladder infection, but I discovered it was an allergy to sulfates. My husband and I suddenly became sensitive/allergic to many things in our late 30s. We have many toxicity symptoms

I also have scoliosis and was fused using C-D rods at 26. (I sound like a mess.). Recently, I learned that while I have no arthritis in any joint (a miracle considering I was a child gymnast and rode/trained horses for almost 40 years). But, my lumbar discs are degenerating and I have stenosis and bone spurs. All of these are symptoms of fluoride toxicity. Will getting the fluoride out help the discs or are they done?

When I discovered the truth about fluoride (4 years ago), my brain was foggyand I couldn't find even simple words. I am much better since finding the right iodine. I make my own toothpaste and even laundry soap with pure water, and have tried to reduce the amount of fluoride exposure. But, I keep finding more avenuesmthey use to get it in us!

Finally, I wanted to let you know that while I was researching another topic, I found evidence that, after WWII, the U.S. Government discovered the use of fluoride in Nazi Germany to control the population, especially in the camps. By the mid-50s, fluoride was being added to water supplies here. This is how I discovered how bad fluoride is.

If you know how to mitigate the symptoms of cleansing and how long it may take, please let me know.

Thank you!

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Ricardo (Enfield) on 03/10/2024

To heart tachycardia rythmia funny heartbeat, add a vitamin B1 patch to the skin, if it works, take 500mg solgar vitamin B1 tablet a day for a week, and it will go for good. (First'hand experience, it will work a charm, someone I know takes Hawthorne, yet I know b1 works instantly and permanently). For a food grade hydrogen peroxide douche up the vulva is a effective. And take b1 vitamins 1-9 so thiamine to folate, with iodine, and selenium is the synergistic mineral to iodide, (like magnesium and calcium, and potassium and sodium are synergistic) so get sodium Selenite or selenium methionine if you can't get sodium Selenite - this also makes iodide to iodine (bioavailabilible) and makes glutathione to improve bodily functions. Lastly try out potassium nitrate supplementation. That's all I know, zeolite from zeohealth and EDTA powder from chemical suppliers are possibly both things everyone should do.


Fluoride in Water
Posted by Diane (Sherborn, MA) on 09/27/2014

Hi Bill, Do you know if a Brita water filter will remove Fluoride and chlorine from the water...I'm trying to get rid of both for my peripheral neuropathy from taking Cipro..Thank you

Fluoride in Water
Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 09/28/2014

Hi Diane...I really haven't got the greatest faith in Brita Water Filters:

Complaints from Consumer Affairs

I would simply find a good clean bottled source of mineral water and just use that.

Alkalizing your body and also drinking borax water(as recommended on EC) and supplementing lugols iodine will all help to remove the fluoride. Supplementing 10% sodium thiosulfate -- 6 drops in a glass of water per day -- will help you to neutralize the chlorine and will also help to detox heavy metals from your body.


Fluoride in Water
Posted by John (Sydney) on 10/12/2022

Diane have you considered ProOne Water Filters. They are a single stage water filter that reduces fluoride.

https://www.purewater4life.com.au/proonewaterfilters

Also Berkey Water Filters with PF-2 Filters are very effective with a great reputation

https://www.purewater4life.com.au/


Organic Sulfur
Posted by Lucille (Scarborough, Maine) on 05/26/2014

Hi, I just wanted to add this information about organic sulfur for detoxing fluoride:

http://www.organicsulfur4health.com/2012/09/24/organic-sulfur-is-ideal-for-correcting-fluoride-toxicity-2/


Borax
Posted by Plumhappy (Eugene, Usa) on 04/30/2013

The bloating will go away as your body responds to the borax and better eating. It is amazing that as you feel better you feel like eating better and less. I am enjoying the process. I feel like a new me.


Fluoride Test Kits
Posted by Lauren (Orlando, Florida) on 04/07/2013

Hey EC... Does anyone know if there is a home test you can use to check your drinking water for fluoride. I have a feeling my water has flouride and I am scared cause I have thyroid issues and I know this is not good for this condition. Please help someone!!!!

Borax
Posted by Debby (Monroe, Ct) on 10/12/2012

Regarding your thyroid nodule - did the doctor suggest you do a needle biospy to make sure it is not cancer. Maybe you should suggest he does that. Debby


Borax
Posted by Stoney (Grand Junction, Colorado) on 03/19/2022

I use a nice pinch of borax with a capful of Bragg's ACV along with a Ceylon cinnamon capsule and I've lost almost 50 pounds...I take a break once a month. Have been using this method for at least 6 months. Very helpful for me, maybe this will be helpful for you. Oh, and I am almost 44.


Cilantro
Posted by Lou (Tyler, Tx) on 02/29/2012

Doesn't cilantro and garlic pesto work for fluoride detox? Or is it heavy metals??? I think Chlorella works for fluoride.

Cilantro Pesto

1 clove garlic
1/2 cup almonds, cashews, or other nuts
1 cup packed fresh cilantro leaves (and smaller stems)
2 tablespoons lemon juice (a professional chef recommends just one Tbl of lemon juice)
6 tablespoons olive oil
Celtic Sea Salt to taste

Blend the cilantro and olive oil in a blender, add other ingredients to make a nice smooth paste, then go ahead and add some nuts and/or seeds: pistachio, cashews, almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, you name it. Have fun. Add it to your favorite pasta and serve warm or cold. Remember, cayenne pepper added to anything has a synergistic effect, making all the other ingredients work better. Simple fact.


General Feedback
Posted by Bill (Los Angeles, California Usa) on 01/20/2012

Something to know about fluoride toothpaste and fluoride poisioning.

According to the toothpaste manufacturers own instructions, the proper dose - sic - of tootpase is a drop the size of a small pea. Do not swallow - spit it out.

OK - now here is the crazy part - On the toothpaste box it says if more than that is used, to notify a poision control agency immediately or see a doctor.

Now here is the sick part - the TV commercials show a toothbrush completely covered with toothpaste and then a dairy queen swirl on the end. This is more than two thousand percent the toxic dose as noted on the toothpaste instructions.

This is criminal.

Info
Posted by Debbie (Melbourne, Australia ) on 01/19/2012

A sobering read how fluoride toxicity is occurring in plants, fish and even bees. It even is killing off frogs and some insects in certain areas. They use it now in fertilisers and apparently tea is heavily infused with it. The salad and fish you eat may not be as healthy as you thought. Even supplements which we thought were healthy may be toxic in fluoride as it goes through the food supply. It can even be in toxic levels in fruit trees.

As an aside most labs don't check for fluoride levels in humans. Fluoride also damages the thyroid.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/groth-1975.htm


Tamarind
Posted by Redcairo (Ozarks, USA) on 05/20/2012

I thought you might be interested in this collection of research articles I made for friends, on the use of Tamarind. I left out the papers that were addressing its use as anti-viral, anti-fungal, etc. It has valid properties in those areas though not always as strong as many other foods and supplements.

** Prevents or reduces liver, kidney, and DNA damage.

J Pharm Pharmacol. 2012 Mar;64(3):430-8. doi: 10.1111/j.2042-7158.2011.01418.x. Epub 2011 Dec 8.
Anti-apoptotic effects of tamarind leaves against ethanol-induced rat liver injury.
The leaf decoctions of Tamarindus indica (TI) have long been traditionally used in liver ailments. The aim of this study was to investigate the anti-apoptotic activity of TI leaf extract against acute ethanol (EtOH)-induced liver injury.... All graded doses of TI leaf extract mitigated the EtOH-induced liver caspase-3 activation (42, 57 and 64%) as well as DNA fragmentation (32, 47 and 50%), respectively. The highest dose of the extract demonstrated membrane-stabilizing (38%) in addition to glutathione-replenishing (88%) effects. Also, the leaves improved the liver histopathological alterations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22309275
from leaves. Reduced liver damage, reduced DNA damage, in rats.

Indian J Exp Biol. 2009 Nov;47(11):900-5.
Tamarindus indica L. And Moringa oleifera M. Extract administration ameliorates fluoride toxicity in rabbits.
...fruit pulp (100 mg/kg body weight) ... Orally once daily for 90 days lowered plasma fluoride concentrations in rabbits receiving fluorinated drinking water... less hepatic and renal damages...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20099463
Fruit (pulp). Reduced fluoride damage. Bone density and size improved, liver and kidney health improved, in rabbits.

** Reduces fluoride in the tissues and related health improvements.

Res Vet Sci. 2011 Dec;91(3):422-5. Epub 2010 Oct 25.
In vivo efficacy of tamarind (Tamarindus indica) fruit extract on experimental fluoride exposure in rats.
...to determine the efficacy of hydro-methanolic (1:1) extract of tamarind fruit pulp in removing body fluoride burden... extract given orally in three doses, 25mg/kg, 50mg/kg, 100mg/kg... There was a significant (p = 0. 01) increase in urinary fluoride excretion from day 28 onwards. The mean fluoride concentration in long bones of treated rats was significantly lower... Findings suggest... can reduce fluoride concentration in blood and bone and enhanced urinary excretion, indicating the ameliorative potential of fruits of tamarind in fluoride toxicity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20980037
Fruit. Reduced fluoride body storage in bone & blood, increased urine output of it, in rats.

Eur J Clin Nutr. 2002 Jan;56(1):82-5.
Effect of tamarind ingestion on fluoride excretion in humans.
Tamarind intake led to significant increase in the excretion of fluoride in 24 h urine... Excretion of magnesium and zinc decreased significantly... Excretion of calcium and phosphorous were not significantly different... creatinine excretion decreased...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11840184
Form not specific. Reduced fluoride in the body, increased magnesium & zinc, left calcium & phosphorus unchanged.

Nutrition. 2004 May;20(5):433-6.
Additional beneficial effect of tamarind ingestion over defluoridated water supply to adolescent boys in a fluorotic area
...There was a significant increase (P < 0. 01) in fluoride excretion and urinary pH and a significant decrease in urinary calcium (P < 0. 01) and copper (P < 0. 05) excretion in the experimental group as compared with the control group... Tamarind intake appears to have an additional beneficial effect on the mobilization of deposited fluoride from bone, by enhancing urinary excretion of fluoride...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15105030
Form not specific. Increases excretion of fluoride from the body.

J Water Health. 2006 Dec;4(4):453-61.
Studies on defluoridation of water by tamarind seed, an unconventional biosorbent.
For domestic and industrial applications, defluoridation with 100% achievement and subsequent regeneration of adsorbent was performed with a household water filter and fixed bed column respectively.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17176816
Seed. Used as a filter was able to de-fluorinate water.


** Assists in blood glucose control, actual healing of pancreas, diabetic improvement

Biol Pharm Bull. 2005 Jul;28(7):1172-6.
Attenuation of hyperglycemia and hyperlipidemia in streptozotocin-induced diabetic rats by aqueous extract of seed of Tamarindus indica.
...Aqueous extract of seed of Tamarindus indica was given to MD and SD rats at the dose of 80 mg and 120 mg/0.5 ml distilled water/100 g body weight/d respectively for 14 d... Intravenous GTT was performed that highlights the antidiabetic action of this extract is not due to its effect on the intestinal rate of glucose absorption but may be due to modulation of intracellular glucose utilization in target organs...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15997092
Seed. I think they are saying it reduced blood glucose levels in diabetic rats.

Pak J Pharm Sci. 2010 Oct;23(4):427-34.
A stereological study of effects of aqueous extract of Tamarindus indica seeds on pancreatic islets in streptozotocin-induced diabetic rats.
Tamarindus indica Linn was used as a traditional medicine for the management of diabetes mellitus... Male rats made diabetic by pancreatic island damage... Once that was in place treated groups given 50 100 200 mg/kg/day for 8 weeks... Volume density and total volume of islets, volume weighted mean islets volume, volume density islets/pancreas, volume density beta cells/islet, mass of islets and pancreas of treated diabetic groups were significantly higher than untreated diabetic group... Results suggested that AETIS partially restores pancreatic beta cells and repairs STZ-induced damages in rats.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20884458
Seed. Diabetic rats had pancreas health increase, diabetic condition reduced.

Acta Med Iran. 2011;49(5):277-83.
Prevention of high fructose-induced metabolic syndrome in male wistar rats by aqueous extract of Tamarindus indica seed.
Tamarindus indica is used as a traditional treatment for diabetes....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21713743
Seed. Improved every blood reading and a couple other things in rats damaged by fructose intake.


** Reduces overall cholesterol, reduces LDL, increases HDL, reduces blood pressure (D)

Pak J Pharm Sci. 2006 Apr;19(2):125-9.
Effect of Tamarindus indica fruits on blood pressure and lipid-profile in human model: an in vivo approach.
Dried and pulverized pulp of T. Indica fruits, at a dose of 15 mg/kg body weight, was found to reduce total cholesterol level (p = 0. 031) and LDL-cholesterol level (p = 0. 004) to a significant extent.... it significantly reduced the diastolic pressure as confirmed by independent sample t-test at 5% significance level.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16751124
Fruit (pulp). Reduced overall cholesterol, LDL especially, reduced diastolic (bottom number) blood pressure.

Food Chem Toxicol. 2006 Jun;44(6):810-8. Epub 2005 Dec 5.
Hypolipemic and antioxidant activities from Tamarindus indica L. Pulp fruit extract in hypercholesterolemic hamsters.
...a decrease in the levels of serum total cholesterol (50%), non-HDL cholesterol (73%) and triglyceride (60%), and to an increase of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol levels (61%). In vitro, the extract presented radical scavenging ability... And led to decreased lipid peroxidation... In vivo, the extract improved the efficiency of the antioxidant defense system...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16330140
Fruit (pulp). Reduced overall cholesterol, LDL and trigylcerides, increased HDL, and a couple other benefits, in hamsters.

J Nat Med. 2012 Apr;66(2):333-42. Epub 2011 Oct 12.
Antiobesity effect of Tamarindus indica L. Pulp aqueous extract in high-fat diet-induced obese rats.
It was observed that TIE decreased the levels of plasma total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein (LDL), and triglyceride, and increased high-density lipoprotein (HDL), with the concomitant reduction of body weight. Moreover, TIE decreased plasma leptin and reduced fatty acid synthase (FAS) activity and enhanced the efficiency of the antioxidant defense system. TIE exhibits antiobesity effects, as indicated by a significant reduction in adipose tissue weights, as well as lowering the degree of hepatic steatosis in the obesity-induced rats. The extract possesses hepatoprotective activity, as it reversed the plasma liver enzymes level elevation prior to the high-fat diet. A dose-dependant effect of TIE is detected, where TIE at 50 mg/kg showed the most prominent effect, followed by TIE at 25 mg/kg and, subsequently, 5 mg/kg.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21989999
Fruit (pulp). Reduces cholesterol, reduces trigylcerides, reduces LDL, increases HDL, enhanced immunity, improved liver health, and reduced bodyfat, in rats.


** Helpful to loss of adipose cells (body fat)

(^ see last one in section right above, also, for this mention)

DNA Cell Biol. 2007 Sep;26(9):627-39.
Transcriptome of primary adipocytes from obese women in response to a novel hydroxycitric acid-based dietary supplement
The dried fruit rind of Garcinia cambogia, also known as Malabar tamarind, is a unique source of (-)-hydroxycitric acid (HCA)... When taken orally, a novel, highly soluble calcium/potassium salt of HCA (HCA-SX) is safe and bioavailable in the human plasma... Facilitating lipase action on the lipids... Markedly induced leptin expression in the adipocytes... Significant down-regulation of 348, and induction of 366 fat- and obesity-related genes... Induced transactivation of hypoxia inducible factor (HIF), a novel approach in the management of obesity... Taken together, the net effects support the antilipolytic and antiadipogenic effects...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17708719
Salt from hydroxycitric acid extract from fruit. Several fat-tissue reduction-related benefits. From women, but in test tube.


** Degrades indigestibles, kills/digests exoskeleton invaders, kills/expels parasitic worms, improves immunity, detoxes snake venom

Phytother Res. 2006 Oct;20(10):851-8.
The anti-snake venom properties of Tamarindus indica (leguminosae) seed extract.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16847999
Seed. In short, this really helped in several ways to detox snake venom.

Food Chem Toxicol. 2009 Jan;47(1):163-70. Epub 2008 Nov 3.
Modulation of human neutrophil oxidative metabolism and degranulation by extract of Tamarindus indica L. Fruit pulp.
Together, these results indicate the potential of ExT as a source of compounds that can modulate the neutrophil-mediated inflammatory diseases.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19022329
Fruit (pulp). Improved white blood cell (immune) response. Cannot figure out if this is on humans or test tube (abstract only).

Acta Crystallogr Sect F Struct Biol Cryst Commun. 2009 Apr 1;65(Pt 4):343-5. Epub 2009 Mar 21.
Isolation, purification, crystallization and preliminary crystallographic studies of chitinase from tamarind (Tamarindus indica) seeds.
(Chitinase is found in some hard seed coatings, some fungi, and critter exoskeletons. ) N-terminal amino-acid sequence analysis of this protein confirmed it to be an approximately 34 kDa endochitinase which belongs to the acidic class III chitinase family.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19342775
I think this means, Tamarind was found to have activity that dissolves that substance.

Indian J Pharm Sci. 2011 Jan;73(1):104-7.
Determination of anthelmintic activity of the leaf and bark extract of tamarindus indica linn.
The alcohol and aqueous extract of bark of Tamarindus indica exhibited significant anthelmintic activity as evidenced by decreased paralyzing time and death time.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22131633
from leaves and bark. Is even better at killing parasitical worms than the standard chem used for that.


** Helps heal gastric ulcers from various causes

J Pharm Bioallied Sci. 2011 Apr;3(2):236-41.
Antiulcer effect of the methanolic extract of Tamarindus indica seeds in different experimental models.
...the methanolic extract of seed coats of Tamarindus indica significantly reduce the total volume of gastric juice, free and total acidity of gastric secretion... In pylorus ligation induced ulcer model... also a significant reduction in ulcer index...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21687352
Seed coat. Gastric ulcers created in 3 diff ways. Improved all 3 health parameters related to ulcer.


** Studies on intake quantity, over-dosage

Acute toxicity and hepatotoxicokinetic studies of Tamarindus indica extract.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21881543
T. indica used as food and medicine has been shown to be toxic at high doses.
Generality. Severe overdose on Tamarind extract has toxic effects. Full paper not avail. And no detail on how much. Note that earlier studies ref'd in my collection used up to 500mg/kg dosage with great effects, n animals.

Genet Mol Res. 2009 Sep 8;8(3):1085-1092.
Assessment of the potential genotoxic risk of medicinal Tamarindus indica fruit pulp extract using in vivo assays.
...doses of 1000, 1500 and 2000 mg/kg body weight... Reviewed blood, liver and bone cells... The extract made with T. indica was devoid of clastogenic and genotoxic activities in the cells of the rodents, when administered orally at these three acute doses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19768670
Fruit (pulp). Pretty huge intake (but only for one day) did not do damage to blood, liver or bone, in rats.


** Various health improvements, increases 'bioavailability' of some medicine

Int J Biometeorol. 2012 Mar 21.
Effect of polyphenols extracted from tamarind (Tamarindus indica L. ) seed coat on pathophysiological changes and red blood cell glutathione peroxidase activity in heat-stressed broilers.
This showed that PETSC could reduce GPx activity and bilirubin in feces, and increase red blood cell parameters in heat-stressed broilers.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22434485
from seed coat. Improved health in chickens with a Tamarind extract.

Anim Sci J. 2010 Apr;81(2):264-70.
Effect of polyphenols extracted from Tamarind (Tamarindus indica L. ) seed coat on physiological changes, heterophil/lymphocyte ratio, oxidative stress and body weight of broilers (Gallus domesticus) under chronic heat stress.
This study indicated that polyphenols could reduce heat stress, oxidative stress and improve the growth rate of heat-stressed broilers.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20438509
Seed coat. Body temperature, health and growth improved in chickens.

Poult Sci. 2005 Jan;84(1):56-60.
Effects of dietary tamarind on cholesterol metabolism in laying hens.
(5 types of hens were fed oven-dried tamarind. Yolk weight increased, but cholesterol in yolk did not, but cholesterol in the hen itself reduced.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15685942
Dried Fruit. Improved offspring weight, reduced cholesterol in mom, in chickens.

Eur J Drug Metab Pharmacokinet. 2003 Jul-Sep;28(3):179-84.
Effect of Tamarindus indica. L on the bioavailability of ibuprofen in healthy human volunteers.
...The study has indicated that Tamarindus indica L. fruit extract significantly increased the bioavailability of Ibuprofen.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14527090
Fruit. Increase absorption/power of ibuprofen. (May indicate similar behavior with other substance(s).)


** Protects from UV light damage, and a polymer from it is good used as carrier for eye medicine

J Pharm Pharmacol. 2003 Mar;55(3):333-8.
The polysaccharide from Tamarindus indica (TS-polysaccharide) protects cultured corneal-derived cells (SIRC cells) from ultraviolet rays.
We propose a protective role of the polysaccharide in reducing UV-B derived DNA damage to eye cells. This finding could be of some clinical importance when the polysaccharide is used as a delivery system for ophthalmic preparations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12724038
In a gel mix. Reduced UV damage to eyes.

This one below covered Tamarind but only in passing. I just thought was a useful note about soybean (bad) and guava (good) lectins re: this toxin - PJ
Arch Med Res. 2001 Jul-Aug;32(4):251-7.
Lectins in fruits having gastrointestinal activity: their participation in the hemagglutinating property of Escherichia coli O157:H7
All extracts showed hemagglutination to group O erythrocytes test (HA) with the exception of mango. Two new galactose-specific lectins were identified from tamarind and guava. When analyzed for participation in EHA, only guava lectins inhibited this... Guava is a source of lectin that can be explored to prevent adhesion of E. Coli to epithelial intestinal cells; contrariwise, soya must be studied to see its participation in the uremia caused during E. coli O157:H7 pathogenesis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11440778
In a gel mix. Reduced UV damage to eyes.

Antimicrob Agents Chemother. 2004 Sep;48(9):3396-401.
A mucoadhesive polymer extracted from tamarind seed improves the intraocular penetration and efficacy of rufloxacin in topical treatment of experimental bacterial keratitis.
Standard treatment of bacterial keratitis includes topical administration of concentrated antibiotic solutions repeated at frequent intervals in order to reach sufficiently high drug levels in the corneal tissue to inhibit bacterial growth. However, this regimen has been associated with toxicity to the corneal epithelium and requires patient hospitalization. In the present study, a mucoadhesive polymer extracted from tamarind seeds was used for ocular delivery... The polysaccharide significantly increased the intra-aqueous penetration of rufloxacin in both infected and uninfected eyes.... results suggest that the tamarind seed polysaccharide prolongs the precorneal residence times of antibiotics and enhances drug accumulation in the cornea, probably by reducing the washout of topically administered drugs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15328102
Seed. Used as gel, helps eyes absorb and maintain fluid, helps eye medicine work better.

Cutis. 2004 Nov;74(5 Suppl):24-8.
Natural products as aids for protecting the skin immune system against UV damage.
Animal and now human studies have shown that a class of agents known as oligosaccharins--complex carbohydrates found in plants--protect the cutaneous immune system from UVB-induced and UVA-induced immunomodulation. This immunoprotective effect occurs independently from erythema and DNA damage protection, and these agents, particularly tamarind xyloglucan, may become important adjunctive ingredients to sunscreens.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15603219
N/A. No study info but abstract was interesting. Compound in Tamarind helps protect skin from UV.


** General Info

Food Funct. 2012 Feb 3;3(2):101-9. Epub 2011 Nov 28.
Dietary agents in the prevention of alcohol-induced hepatotoxicty: preclinical observations.
Tamarindus indica L. , commonly known as Tamarind tree is one of the most important multipurpose tropical fruit tree species in the Indian subcontinent. Tamarind fruit was at first thought to be produced by an Indian palm, as the name Tamarind comes from a Persian word "Tamar-I-hind, " meaning date of India. Its name "Amlika" in Sanskrit indicates its ancient presence in the country. T. Indica is used as traditional medicine in India, Africa, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, and most of the tropical countries. It is used traditionally in abdominal pain, diarrhea and dysentery, helminthes infections, wound healing, malaria and fever, constipation, inflammation, cell cytotoxicity, gonorrhea, and eye diseases. It has numerous chemical values and is rich in phytochemicals, and hence the plant is reported to possess antidiabetic activity, antimicrobial activity, antivenomic activity, antioxidant activity, antimalarial activity, hepatoprotective activity, antiasthmatic activity, laxative activity, and anti-hyperlipidemic activity. Every part of the plant from root to leaf tips is useful for human needs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22119904
Full plant. A review of its use traditional and modern commercial, free on pubmed.


Tamarind
Posted by Ed (Oakville, Canada) on 07/17/2012

Amazing researches. -- A typical Hindhu Family meal in South India will have Rasam (Soup made with Tamarind Juice) daily. Rasam is mainly to increase digestion and detox.

Rasam made for 6 persons will have only small lemon size of tamarind in it and will make for nearly 2 litres of rasam. (mostly water). However, I know for sure one should not take too much tamarind as it is, as it will affect the body.

A folk tale says sleeping under the Tamarind Tree daily will ruin your body.


Borax
Posted by Tess (Pb, Florida, Usa) on 08/17/2011

No, I would NOT give your child that dose. The safe dose for adults is 1/8 teaspoon of borax in a liter of water so a child's dose would be 1/16th or less. Consider buying homeopathic pellets of borax instead. Much safer way to go. I bought mine online.


Borax
Posted by Lucinda (Big Rapids, Michigan) on 12/30/2011

I looked at the website on charcoal and the list of things that charcoal removes did not include fluoride or anything that starts with an f. I have been drinking 1/2 tsp. charcoal in 1 liter of water along with 1/4tsp. aluminum free baking soda and 1/2 diatomaceous earth every AM for about a year for PH balance and for detox. Since Borax seems to remove fluoride, I will try this as well.


Borax
Posted by Darren (Uk) on 06/13/2017

You realise that it is days mg/kg?? Meaning if salt has an ld50 of 1g/kg, and you weigh 70kg, you would need to invest 70g salt. Or 192mg x 70kg caffeine = 13440mg ld50....


Borax
Posted by Bill (San Fernando, San Fernando, Philippines) on 03/11/2011

Hi Paul... In answering your questions on Magnesium Oil and ACV:

How many spray do I need each time for a glass of water?

If you are lacking Magnesium, take 10 drops(with a dropper) of magnesium oil in a glass of water twice a day. When your stool suddenly becomes loose, this will be magnesium saturation, so cut back to about 10 drops per day(or whatever suits you) in a glass of water. This is called titrating the dose. You can also spray the Mag Oil all over your body and it will be absorbed in greater amounts through the skin than via ingestion and absorbtion through the intestines. You can also reach higher levels of Magnesium in the blood transdermally without the problems of loose stools -- the kidneys should easily be able to get rid of any excess levels of magnesium in the blood without problems.

I have been adding baking soda directly to the apple cider vinegar until stop fizzle or close to it, then I add the water last. Is the wrong way? or does it matter?

You do it how you want!! I prefer just to add water to the ACV to half glass then add the Baking soda bit by bit until no fizz. Then I add a bit more Baking Soda afterwards to ensure the solution is buffered and alkaline and then I drink it. ACV plus baking soda alkalizes the intracellular environment whereas extra Baking Soda works to alkalize the blood. But that's just my way...


Borax
Posted by Bonnie (Pfafftown, North Carolina, United States) on 12/03/2010

I am currently taking an herbal supplement to help with low thyroid and also Diatomaceous Earth. Should I stop either of them while using the Borax for Fluoride Toxicity? I would appreciate any thoughts and wonder if Ted could wade in on this one too. Bonnie North Carolina

Borax
Posted by Bonnie (Pfafftown, North Carolina, United States) on 12/04/2010

Lisa, I forgot to answer your question about having results. I've only been doing the Thyrocare for about a month. I think I'm sleeping better. It will take time to see changes. The SuperFood is a good source of nutrition so I shall continue with that. (I've been taking it for about 4 months. ) When I found the info about the fluoride it made lots of sense that one of my problems could be fluoride.

I've been eating a healthy diet for about 15 years - whole grains, use honey, no white sugar, brown rice, more raw veggies & fruits (organic as much as can afford), etc. Another change we made all those years ago as well was to purchase a water filter. BUT, ours does not filter fluoride.... So all these years I've been faithful about drinking lots of water, I'm also getting the toxic fluoride. I've had muscle weakness, pain joint, etc. So, now I'm ready to try the Borax.


Borax
Posted by Anon (Anon) on 06/16/2012

Ted has covered in the site that green tea does have fluoride but taken a cup or two a day, the benefits outweigh the risks. I came across some old Ted posts on the site where he uses a pinch of borax to negate the effects of fluoride when he drinks green tea (not sure if he takes them at the same time or different times though).

Ted quotes:

"Tea is naturally high in fluoride so adding some borax will negate this effect."

"I take green tea myself and aware of some of the pitfalls. However, I take the necessary precautions, while avoiding white bread and white flour use, as well as taking some kelp, seaweed or even using iodine as a mouthwash to prevent the problems of iodine deficiency. "

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/fluoride_questions.html

"However, I always add a tiny pinch of borax, as some green tea may have fluoride and this aids in the removal."

https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/lecithin.html


Borax
Posted by Timh (Ky) on 11/09/2015 2063 posts

C: It is also recommended to filter not only drinking water but also water for bathing or showering. If taking a bath, add a few grains of Sodium thiosulfate to neutralize any of those "ines" in the water or body. ST can also be consumed orally to remove those nasty "ines" but always be sure to supplement Iodine back for the Thyroid.

S.T. can be purchased at local or online fish & aquarium or swimming pool supply stores as a commercial grade "de-chlorinator".


Activated Charcoal
Posted by Charlene (Auburn, Wa) on 07/31/2011

Try Calcium Magnesium. I'm suffering right now. The National Research Council has published a book on Fluoride. You can download or view it for free on their website. I'm obtaining my calcium magnesium from Bastyr Center for Natural Health. I was taking calcium and they said this was better. It helps


Activated Charcoal
Posted by Gene (Bergenfield, Nj) on 02/16/2014

Activated Charcoal, whether you use a gravity fed or faucet cannister, cannot remove fluoride from your body or from dinking water. Charcoal can remove some bacteria, chemical toxins and heavy metals through a process known as ABSORPTION (basically trapping these particles within the nooks and crannies of the charcoal itself). Fluoride ions, however, are far, far too small to be trapped by charcoal and it is one of the most reactive elements on the periodic table. As a result it quickly binds to your tissues, organs and your skeletal and central nervous system virtually immediately once ingested or through showering or bathing. This very harmful molecule is very difficult, though not impossible, to remove once it gets into your body. But the best way to prevent fluoride toxicity is through stopping it before it gets into your body.

There only 2 ways to remove fluoride from your water. One is Reverse Osmosis which some systems claim to remove up to 98%. However this process wastes a lot of water as well as demineralizing it completely. And if you choose R.O. then you need to be sure to add a device that can replace the essential trace minerals.

The other is by using one of 2 filter substrates...Activated Alumina or Bone-Char Carbon (Crushed and Burned Animal Bones). They are much more cost efficient than R.O. systems and can remove virtally all detectable levels of fluoride through a process known as ADSORPTION. By possessing a positive (+) charge they actually attractive the negatively (-) charged fluorine ions. There are various companies out there that manufacture whole house or shower and undersink systems that use either Alumina or Bone-Char Carbon. I would recommend the latter because Alumina, though equally effective, will put trace amounts of aluminum into your water which, though not as destructive as fluoride to your central nervous & endocrine systems, is considered, itself, to be a heavy metal and can also be neuro-toxic over time.


Activated Charcoal
Posted by Cindy (Illinois, Usa) on 06/25/2020 433 posts

I read, years ago, that people in a heavily fluoride contaminated location used fired, unglazed terracotta - i.e., old bricks - to get the fluoride out of their drinking water. I wish I could remember the name of that book. It was extremely interesting but I was an herbalist at the time and had ordered the book through the library system. It was quite old and not strictly an herbal reference so I didn't bother to even note the title, let alone track it down to purchase for myself. I think it was written by a missionary...

Anyway, we have "good" water but, nevertheless, I've been collecting and gathering bits and pieces of old unglazed terracotta and was particularly excited by the appearance of an antique brick that came to the surface in my lawn. ROFL!


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Sue (Townsville, Qld, Australia) on 05/02/2009
★★★☆☆

BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS

This is a rather long submission I'm sorry, but one which I hope someone will be able to find help from.

I found this site a month ago looking for an answer to neck, shoulder and arm pain. I've always had problems in this area but for the last 6 months it was chronic, and had spasmed- leaving me unable to move at times.

After reading the EC fluoride page I now know what the problem is. I've always lived with fluoridated water, and as a child was given fluoride tablet supplements. I have had problems with brain fog, indigestion, muscle and joint pain, and tiredness, for a long time, but they have all become really noticeable lately, yes I turned 50 last year. I drink a lot of water, so I bought a bench top filter (have ordered a fluoride filter module). The first thing I noticed was that the filtered water doesn't burn my throat when I drink it and I don't burp afterwards. I presume that burning is the taste of chlorine.
Here is my diary for the last 4 weeks, I think it is a testament to the EC site , everything I have done I found here:

I took Magnesium and Vitamin C for the shoulder, neck pain .. remarkable, within 2 hours the pain was subsiding, within 24 hours 95% gone. I continued with magnesium and Vit C every day for a week or so. And have weekly professional massages but with coconut oil. I still have some stiffness when I turn my neck too far either way, but at least I can turn it.

My Indigestion: Occasional burning, (especially at night), but chronic burping, all the time. (I use no white flour, sugar, etc that helps a lot, but still burp, burp, burp.)
I Tried Apple Cider Vinegar, a small dash in water throughout the day, but after 2 days this set my teeth on edge.
I Tried it with the Baking Soda. Same thing.
Tried Baking Soda and Citric Acid .. Same thing.

Finally gritted my teeth and tried the lemon juice/baking soda method (the thought of it made my stomach heave) -. remarkable. It was like somebody opened a window and let the fog out --I'm talking within minutes -- and the burping stopped. I was expecting to burp for hours, but nothing, and my stomach felt relaxed, my whole body sighed with relief. Am taking it 2 x day.

I also tried Castor Oil packs on an area central just below the breast bone, that was sore to touch and hard. I put the pack on the spot with a heat bag at night before I went to sleep at about 12pm and took it off at 3 am toilet visit. I did that 2 nights, and both times, the next day, at about 10am I felt a strange trickling feeling from that sore point, and I felt nauseous until I had something to eat. It doesn't feel swollen or sore any more. I don't pretend to know what it was, but it worked and feels good.

Last week, I had a foul, metallic taste in my mouth. I was using Cilantro (made into pesto, with olive oil, sea salt, lemon juice, sunflower seeds, blended till fine). Having that 2 or 3 times a day, and also taking Lecithin granules. I suppose I was taking too much. Couldn't work out why my mouth tasted so foul, I had a look at my tongue in the mirror and got such a fright, it was green. Then I realised that it was probably the "Living Green Drink" I'd also been using to try and get more greens into my diet. Ha Ha. It also makes my stomach feel good.

The metallic taste settled down after a couple of days. I've since noticed that you say to use the Cilantro every other day. Was my using it every day what caused the metallic taste do you think?

About 2 weeks ago I noticed a large mass in my right breast. It was hot to touch and sweating, but there was no sign of infection, no redness or swelling. It appeared from nowhere, I've never had breast lumps. I presume it is a calcium deposit caused by the magnesium? I have wondered about too much calcium in my system, I have arthritis in my knees and ankles. A bone density test I did once, showed readings so high they were off the chart.
This mass is getting smaller. I am continuing with the lemon/baking soda, do I do that until it has disappeared? Do I still take it 2 x day everyday? I have stopped the Magnesium, is that right or will I continue with that also, if so how much and how often? I want to start to using a mineral supplement, instead of just plain Magnesium. Should I find one without Calcium? Have also started taking Vitamin E 500 iu x 3 day.

Also, you talk about your Miracle Water and broad parameters. I started my menstrual cycle again, I haven't had one for 6 months. It lasted 9 days, a long time for me. Not heavy, but annoying. I tried 1 tblspn of coconut oil twice a day. Still bleeding. Tried Evening Primerose Oil. Same thing. I was starting to worry, It seemed strange that it started out of nowhere? Today I took apple cider vinegar. A dash in water, it went down a treat. (No burning or burping). An hour or so later, took a bigger dash in water, and the bleeding has stopped. Yea! Does this sound right? As I said I haven't had one for 6 months, and I have no other menopause symptoms. It will be interesting to see if they continue to be regular after using the Miracle Water.
I hope you can find the time to answer my questions, I would really appreciate it.

Also, you should think seriously about documenting all your trials and successes in a book. Your years of work and experiences are important. I also believe that if we looked long and hard enough at you, we may be able to see a pair of wings attached to your back. Your are a blessing and are at-one with the angels!

Kindest Regards.

EC: Sue, thank you so much for this extremely detailed feedback!

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Dallas (Amesbury, MA) on 12/22/2014

Tami, I have read that when you have Hashimoto's, as you and I both have, the amount of iodine is critical and many docs recommend that you not use iodine. However, Hashis need iodine. Therefore, it is better to paint the iodine that is used for cuts that you get at the pharmacy in the 2 oz bottle on your skin and let your skin absorb the optimal amount. The best kind I get is the C_S brand which has both iodine and iodide - both are necessary.

Also, you might want to look this up.....you need to supplement with other things such as selenium (esp. important) if you want iodine to work for you. If you are taking thyroid medication, check your temperature each morning before you get up and make sure it is not going consistently above normal (like about 99 degrees plus) to make sure you are not going hyPER thyroid because the iodine should improve thyroid function and you DO NOT WANT TO GO HYPER! If you go hyper for to long, without decreasing your thyroid med dosage, you could have a dangerously fast heart beat. So, keep a check on your heart rate too. This is all doable esp. with advice of a knowledgeable physician (perhaps a naturopath) if you can find one - but you just must be careful.


Borax
Posted by Tony (Feltham, Middlesex) on 01/05/2012

Dear Ted, very dangerous to suggest using borax as a way of removing fluoride. Some people have obviously misunderstood your directions and you are possibly causing more harm than good. Why couldn't you suggest something like DMSA or high dose of Vitamin C? Surely that is the safer option.


Borax
Posted by J-rod (Austin, Tx) on 05/11/2017

You were taking double the recommended dose. The maximum dose is 1/8 teaspoon per 1 liter of purified water


Borax
Posted by Ed (Or) on 01/02/2018

I've read that Cumin powder is good for cleaning fluoride from the body, is this true?


Wheatgrass Juice
Posted by Lisa (Jackson, Ms. USA) on 01/20/2009
★★★★★

I have not yet tried this but a friend shared this info with me recently:

Reading the Wheatgrass Book from Ann Wigmore, I want to share with you this incredible discovery :

----

Page 62
Chapter " ARE YOU PROTECTED FROM THE HAZARDS OF MODERN LIVING? "

"A few years ago, I ( Ann Wigmore ) asked Dr. GH Earp Thomas of the Bloomfield Laboratories in High Bridge, New Jersey, to do an experiment for me. He placed a small amount of wheatgrass juice in a jar of regular tap water and he tested it for fluoride and other chemicals present in the water...

Both of us were surprised by the results!

He concluded, "Fluorine rapidly combines with calcium phosphate and other kinetic elements to lose its toxic properties, and harden teeth and bones. that is why fresh grass would act as a catalyst to speedily change the acid fluorine into a beneficial component with a positive reaction...

By using wheatgrass, which is comparatively rich in calcium phosphate, it would remove any free fluoric acid and change its negative charge to an alkaline calcium phosphate fluoride combination with a positive reaction"

I was amazed (Ann Wingmore )

not only did wheatgrass neutralize the toxic effect of fluorine but it converted it into an ally in maintaining healthy bones and teeth! I don't recommend that you drink tap water, though; pure spring or purified water taste better and is much better for you. But if you cannot obtain spring or purified water, pour a little wheatgrass juice into regular tap water, and it will make it more healthful..."

book info: The Wheatgrass Book: How to Grow and Use Wheatgrass to Maximize Your Health and Vitality (Avery Health Guides)
Author: Ann Wingmore

Reader Theories
Posted by Cindy (Kansas, USA) on 12/06/2008

Hi again! I've been thinking about fibromyalgia and fluoride and I'm wondering if the ice cream/sinus infection thing is related.

Could both problems be caused by the known chemical reaction between fluoride and dairy? Some ice cream must be processed with fluoridated water problems. And the best selling brands are probably processed at more than one plant. Perhaps some are on fluoridated waterlines and some aren't...

This might explain the hit and miss aspect of both problems i.e. why some get fibromyalgia and/or sinus infections and some don't.

Calcium reduces the amount of fluoride that is absorbed by the body but dairy products are contra-indicated for fibromyalgia sufferers. So, where are they getting their calcium? What about blackstrap molasses? Non-dairy PLUS lots of calcium.

I also found that activated charcoal won't bind fluoride but DE (diatomaceous earth) does.

This all seems garbled but I'm going to send it anyway. Could be important.

EC: Cindy is referring to the feedback on the ice cream and sinus infections page here: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/sinus_infections_and_ice_cream.html


Fluoride Tea
Posted by Martina (Sc ) on 08/16/2015

Hi. Could you please tell me where to buy the tea? I would like to try it but can't find anything on Amazon that is called fluoride tea. Thanks. M

EC: Hi Martina, we just found it on kroegerherb here...It's the 5th one on the page called FRD.


Borax
Posted by Bev ( Elroy, WI) on 04/07/2008
★★★☆☆

WORKED TEMPORARILY

I have continued the borax detox for fluoride toxicity 1-2 times per week. I had reduced my thyroid dose as my pulse rate was elevated which I thought was improvement of thyroid function. I don't think this was the case. Shortly after I had reduced to 2 1/2 from 3 1/2 grains, reducing 1/2 grain every two weeks, I began to experience fatigue again. Stayed at 3 gr. for about 10 more weeks and began having worsening of symtoms, muscle pains, hair loss, dry eyes, weight gain etc. This week I plan to consult with Dr. John Lowe regarding the possiblily of thyroid resistance and switching from Armour to Cytomel [T3].


Fluoride Poisoning Symptoms
Posted by Steve (Syracuse, NY) on 10/14/2008

To the poster named Ron. I just read your list of symptoms and I match just about every single one of them. I've been suffering with similar problems for years now and to the point of actually contemplating suicide. When I was younger my problems were diagnosed as being related to depression. I don't buy that. The so-called anti-depressants made my condition worse. I have so many questions. If I posted my e-mail address would you be willing to help me? No one in the professional community is willing to address this problem of poison in our water. I don't have health insurance or the money to seek any kind of help alternative or otherwise. I'm desperate for advice.


Fluoride Poisoning Symptoms
Posted by Arlan (Midland, Mi) on 11/07/2008

Let me give you a shot gun approach as understandably you are frustrated...raw milk..loaded with enzymes and amazingly adaptogenic..buy lactase at Walmart if you are lactose intolerent...limit your diet...spices, fruit,berries and to meat and various animal proteins..liver is exceptional if you are feeling weak...skip the veggies for a week or so...Take a couple full clusters of garlic...score every section with a knife, put them in a mug and microwave for about 2 minutes. when fully cooked the garlic will be rather mild in flavor and you can dip in butter... u may also add in digestive enzymes a half hour before meals...Potent Bacopa..a strong extract will do wonders to straighten up a body gone wild...take a serving starting in the morning every half hour until you find your self with a good solid headache...it shouldnt be more than 15 capsules... the next day take the number of tablets it took to achieve the headache in one dose...by the third day you will find that you dont have any headache and your body might just be functioning better in every way...Give this one week...I think you will be happy you did...if not, dont give up...there is no such thing as uncurable.


Fluoride in Water
Posted by Q12 (Fairfax, Va, Us) on 07/05/2010

Aquafina has 0.05 PPM Fluoride according to the USDA National Fluoride Database of Selected Beverages and Foods. See this link:

http://www.fortcollinscwa.org/pages/fluoride.htm

Compare that with the average 1 PPM that is added to the water supply.

EC: That's an excellent link, thanks! Please note however that the USDA chart was published in 2004.

To all: check out the worst fluoride offender on the food and beverage chart:
Tea, instant, powder, unsweetened: 89772
(# confirmed in the main .pdf here: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Fluoride/fluoride.pdf )


Fluoride in Water
Posted by Williamwwonka (San Jose, Ca/usa) on 11/30/2011

The best information on fluoride you will ever hear is at the bottom of the websiteMaeBrussell.com. Dr. John Lee, Dr. John Yiamouyannis, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, and Joanie Greggains give you the history, health effects, origins, and reasons why this toxic industrial waste product is banned in most countries of the world. The audio is 75 minutes long which fits perfectly on a regular audio cd. You might consider burning hundreds of cds and circulating them around your community. The pro-fluoridationists will have a much more difficult time doing their job when surrounded by an informed public. Good luck.


Aloe Vera Juice
Posted by Daniel (Marlborough, Ma) on 02/18/2012

#1 get a fluoride counter top filter( pure earth) or distiller use this water for drinking and cooking any other drink even organic may be useing city water for crops grapes ect. To get rid of fluoride from your body to include your pineal gland use iodine (magnetic clay) with cal/mag supplements from algae, plus boron sm. doses (whole foods)


Boron (Borax) and Tamarind
Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 08/27/2007 391 posts

As per your request for research references regarding the antidote of fluoride poisoning, there is both the use of borax to remove fluoride and also the use of tamarind used to increase fluoride excretion as an antidote to fluoride poisoning. Most of the boron antidote was taken from research of Elsair, et.al. as follows:

"Boron effectively counteracts symptoms of fluoride intoxication in humans (Zhou et al. 1987) and in experimentally poisoned rabbits (Elsair et al. 1980a, 1980b, 1981). Men suffering from skeletal fluorosis experienced 50 to 80% improvement after drinking solutions containing 300 to 1,100 mg of borax/L daily, 3 weeks a month for 3 months (Zhou et al. 1987). Boron enhances sequestration of fluoride from bone and excretion through kidneys and possibly the intestinal tract (Elair et al. 1980a, 1981)"

Many of these research are not well known in U.S., but it's there if you dig hard enough. The details of research description regarding the experiment is no longer found in webpages however, I still have the references material based on that reading here.

P.S. Boron is found in borax. Sometimes I use the word boron to emphasize that there is boron in borax. Borax is a compound form of boron, with oxygen and sodium attached.

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Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics, Vol. 74, Issue 2, 235-238, 1942 Copyright %uFFFD 1942 by American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics

A STUDY OF ANTIDOTES FOR FLUORINE S. MARCOVITCH 1 and W. W. STANLEY 1

1 From the Department of Entomology, Agricultural Experiment Station, University of Tennessee, Knoxville

The fluoborates when fed in powdered form were found to be non-toxic to both rats and insects. In solution enough fluorine is liberated to produce toxic effects.

Both aluminum sulphate and hydrated lime are capable of saving animals from a lethal dose of sodium fluoride when mixed with the latter. Boric acid also has some value as an antidote through the formation of a fluoborate. The aluminum sulphate forms cryolite which was found to be much less toxic. When aluminum sulphate is mixed with the sodium fluoride and used as a roach powder, a lower kill is obtained than with sodium fluoride alone.

January 2002, Volume 56, Number 1, Pages 82-85 Table of contents Previous Article Next [PDF]

Original Communication Effect of tamarind ingestion on fluoride excretion in humans

A L Khandare, G S Rao and N Lakshmaiah

National Institute of Nutrition, Indian Council of Medical Research, Hyderabad, India

Correspondence to: A L Khandare, National Institute of Nutrition, Indian Council of Medical Research, Jamai Osmania PO, Hyderabad 500 007, AP, India. E-mail: [email protected]

Research on Tamarind and Fluoride Removal:

Abstract

Objective: To evaluate the effect of tamarind (Tamarindus indicus) ingestion on excretion of fluoride in school children.

Design: Randomized, diet-control study.

Subject: Twenty healthy boys were included and 18 of them completed the study.

Interventions: Each subject consumed 10 g tamarind daily with lunch for 18 days at the social welfare boys' hostel. The nutrient composition of the daily diet was constant throughout the experimental period.

Results: Tamarind intake led to significant increase (P<0.001) in the excretion of fluoride in 24 h urine (4.8%uFFFD0.22 mg/day) as compared to excretion on control diet (3.5%uFFFD0.22 mg/day). However, excretion of magnesium and zinc decreased significantly (7.11%uFFFD1.48 mg of Mg and 252.88%uFFFD12.84 %uFFFDg of Zn per day on tamarind diet as compared to 23.39%uFFFD3.68 mg of Mg and 331.78%uFFFD35.31 %uFFFDg Zn per day on control diet). Excretion of calcium and phosphorous were not significantly different while creatinine excretion decreased with tamarind intake (225.66%uFFFD81 mg creatinine/day with tamarind and 294.5%uFFFD78.76 mg creatinine/day without tamarind).

Conclusion: Tamarind intake is likely to help in delaying progression of fluorosis by enhancing urinary excretion of fluoride.

Sponsorship: National Institute of Nutrition, Hyderabad, India (ICMR).

European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2002) 56, 82-85. DOI: 10.1038/sj/ejcn/1601287

Please see references material attached, especially:

1: Z Gesamte Hyg. 1977 Jan;23(1):14-20. Links [Results of animal experimental studies on rabbits with sodium fluoride and the effect of antidotes] [Article in German]

Baer HP, Bech R, Franke J, Grunewald A, Kochmann W, Melson F, Runge H, Wiedner W.

PMID: 842048 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Here is the research material on the fluoride antidote using boron:

Fluoride 1981; 14(1):21-29

Boron as antidote to fluoride: effect on bones and claws in subacute intoxication of rabbits

Elsair J, Merad R, Denine R, Azzouz M, Khelfat K, Hamrour M, Alamir B, Benali S, Reggabi M

Laboratories of Physiology, Toxicology and Galenic Pharmacy, Medical Institute, Algiers, Algeria

Summary: Rabbits were "subacutely" intoxicated by administration of 30 mg/kg/day of fluoride for 3 months followed by 15 mg/kg/day for a subsequent 3 months (F). Boron was given alone (B) as preventive and simultaneously with fluoride prophylactically (F Bp), as well as therapeutically namely midway during the experimental period (F Bpc) while fluoride was being administered and after it was discontinued (Bc compared with fluoirde interuption F*), at a constant F/B ratio. All groups were compared to normal controls.

Boron administered during fluoride intoxication or after its interruption, reduces fluoremia and increases urinary fluoride excretion. Skeletal fluoride levels are directly relatd to those of claws. They bear no relationship to fluoride in hair. The high fluoride content in bone in lot F decreases with addition of boron. It is still high in lot F* but returns to normal in loc Bc. Calcium content of bones remains normal in all lots. Posterior pad radiography shows a cortical thickness in lot F which is less pronounced in lots F Bpc and F*, and returns to normal in lot Bc.


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