Collagen Supplementation for Torn Ligaments and Tendons

on May 20, 2020| Modified on Jan 03, 2024
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Posted by Art (California) on 10/11/2020 2218 posts
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My friend is doing very good, but I wanted to mention my 80 something year old neighbor who I mentioned this specific collagen supplement to and she said she wanted to try it to help her joints. I saw her yesterday and we talked for awhile. I could see she was moving like a much younger woman, but it was her hair that really caught my attention! 😲😲😲

Yes, her hair looked like it belonged on a 30 year old!!! It had not only filled in her thinning areas, it was thick, full and dense! She was thrilled and told me how she had just been to her hairdresser and she was shocked at the difference! Her hairdresser immediately wanted to know what my neighbor had done and she said she started using a specific collagen supplement that I had suggested for her. Her hairdresser wanted to know exactly what it was!

My neighbor went on to tell me that her friend was also amazed at the change and she wanted to try it too!

Overall, this product is producing pretty amazing results for more than just torn ligaments and tendons!

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Nadine (Texas) on 11/07/2020

Hi Art,

I have only been taking this product for two weeks today, but I am very hopeful! I am definitely feeling better and sleeping better as well. And....I haven't taken ANYTHING for pain for almost a week!! DeeDee


Collagen Side Effects
Posted by Gracie (UK) on 10/13/2020

Hi Art,

Thank you for the kindness and wisdom contained in your response to my letter. In the past I've tried two different types of collagen, one bovine sourced, the other marine, and had negative reactions to both. Brain fog, overwhelming tiredness, not wanting to do anything, so I should have known better than to try Dr Emil's version. I believe it was the success your friend had in taking the supplement, and all the different types of collagen in it that persuaded me to give it a try. Plus I was desperate because the arthritis in my right knee had spread to my left hip and I needed a solution!

I've taken many supplements in the past to stay well and have been relatively successful, so when I read of your recommendation for Amla I couldn't resist. I know you recommended it for memory loss, and my need is a solution for arthritis, I decided to give it a try because it is said to be good for so many ailments. I purchased the Amla in powder form (the taste is not good), along with Moringa (taste again not good), also a capsule filling device, and have been taking these two supplements to help with the arthritis and general health. And have been waking up filled with a wellspring of happiness and the arthritis pain at a more manageable level.

Amla has been used in Avedic medicine for centuries, and I feel it to be relatively safe, so thank you for the recommendation.

Best wishes.


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Bill (Philippines) on 11/01/2020

Some more information on Ciprofloxacin or Cipro which might help some people. If you look up Cipro in Wikipedia you will see that each molecule of Cipro contains fluorine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciprofloxacin

So for me, because Cipro contains fluorine, that automatically disqualifies Cipro as an outright poison for the human body and so you should NEVER take Cipro as a medication. EVER.

Cipro, characteristically, is well known to cause "sudden tendon rupture" as a side-effect and that's because Cipro causes tissue/cell necrosis(cell/tissue death) caused by the fluorine in Cipro. The favorite tendon that suddenly snaps or breaks for no reason when you've taken Cipro is usually the Achilles tendon in the lower leg.

The liver also has great difficulty getting rid of fluorine from the body. So it stores it within the body as fat instead. Excess fluorine is also stored in the bones and teeth. And, unfortunately, fluorine is also easily absorbed by the thyroid gland instead of iodine -- especially if your diet is low in iodine and your are hypothyroid. Thus many people in the US who take Cipro will suffer all the poisonous effects of fluorine plus all the hypothyroid symptoms as well -- low energy, low mental accuity, tired all the time, poor immune system, digestion problems etc etc.

The only two nutrients I know that will remove fluorine safely from the body are Lugol's Iodine(also recovers the thyroid) and Borax.

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/lugols-iodine-supplements.html

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html

And because fluorine can be stored in fat, bones and teeth, this also means that it will take quite a while to remove or detox all that fluorine from all those difficult areas in your body(probably >year).

By the way, Cipro is usually the drug of choice if your doctor is clueless as to what is causing your problems. For instance, this year my wife had a bad upset stomach/intestines and had to go to the hospital. The doc didn't know what was actually causing her problems so he just prescribed Cipro. I immediately objected and asked him whether he was aware that Cipro was a poison because of the fluorine. The young doc -- who must've been about 24 yo -- looked at me strangely as if I was an idiot. And then I said, "And are you aware that Cipro has a FDA Black Box warning on the the box it comes in?". That did worry the young doc (he didn't know about the black box warning, I kid you not!) but he still prescribed Cipro for my wife. Anyway, on my advice, my wife didn't take the Cipro. I advised that she should just take several aspirin that day and in the evening. The next day she was fully recovered. The aspirin killed-off the bad bacteria that was causing all her problems.

True story. In the old days -- pre-WWII -- if the older doctors didn't know what was causing a patient's problem/diseases they would normally always give their patients high dose 5% Lugol's Iodine. These old docs admitted that they didn't understand how LI worked or what it did but they all said that Lugol's Iodine "would always do something good." But now, if the modern docs don't know your problem/disease they will probably give you Cipro. And if ever there was a completely useless, only-for-profit antibiotic drug out there that was not beneficial to the human body -- it's a poison! -- Cipro is it.

Did you know that Ciprofloxacin is also on the WHO's list of Essential Medicines? Cipro is just dangerous chemo in a pill. And the docs are prescribing it like it was jelly-babies...


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Tessa (Okanagan) on 11/02/2020

Thank you, Bill, for all of the information you share with us.

In 1995 (unfortunately, before the Internet), I was prescribed Cipro for pneumonia. I had a very bad reaction, resulting in hospitalization.

Believe me, that was the last time I trusted a doctor.

I wish I knew then what I know now. Fortunately, with sites like Earth Clinic and mercola.com, I have been able to stay away from conventional doctors. I haven't taken any prescriptions since 1995 and rely on Lugol's, supplements, borax, and a host of other things, to stay as healthy as I can.

On another note, I hope you and your family are safe from Typhoon Goni.

Take care!


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 11/02/2020 2218 posts

Hi Bill,

As if the blown tendons and ligament tears aren't bad enough, Cipro is also known for causing nerve damage resulting in peripheral neuropathy!

Cipro is in a class of antibiotics known for these problems of which there are many different names as outlined here :

https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20130826/fda-strengthens-fluoroquinolone-warning

It is not enough to just scratch Cipro from the list of drugs you will not take because there are many different named drugs in this drug class as mentioned in the above link. Levaquin is another popular one from this group, but there are many more and the patient has to be aware of this in order to protect themself from these potential very serious side effects!

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 11/07/2020 2218 posts

That's great news, Dee Dee! I hope you continue to see continued improvement. It takes time for the healing to occur. My friend who used the collagen has been off of it for two weeks and has reported no problems, but I would like to see him continue with the collagen for a bit longer to optimize healing, but as it is, he is very happy with his results!

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 10/31/2020 2218 posts

Hi Dee Dee.

The time range (years) between when you took cipro and when you started having symptoms is generally considered outside of the range that cipro can do damage.

Here is how I would look at it. It appears that cipro is not the likely cause, so I would move cipro out of the equation and then focus on the problem at hand which is the full thickness tear of the gluteal tendon. You are on the right course with starting on the collagen supplement. For myself in this position I would also take vitamin C to further increase collagen production and I would also give some consideration to taking gelatin as a supplement and possibly hyaluronic acid, but definitely 2,000 mg minimum of vitamin c per day.

On a related note, the friend that I wrote the collagen post about is doing well, but he went on a trip and forgot his collagen and so far has not had a problem with the missed doses.

Art


Collagen Side Effects
Posted by Art (California) on 01/03/2024 2218 posts

Hi Betsy,

I also tried 3 mg, 6 mg and 9 mg of boron before trying borax and it offered no benefit at all. I wasn't taking boron individually, but rather it was included in the glucosamine multi supplement I was taking at 3 mg per serving. In desperation I had increased the glucosamine supplement to 3 daily servings to try to reduce my arthritis pain. This effectively increased my boron intake to 9 mg/day, but this resulted in no benefit in terms of pain relief as my arthritis was significantly advanced by that time in my life.

I read about Ted's borax recommendation for arthritis and eventually went out and bought a box of 20 Mule Team Borax. That box sat on my shelf for about 3 months before I finally got the nerve to give it a try. It wasn't easy for me to try a laundry booster orally, but I finally tried Ted's dose of 1/4 teaspoon of borax for men mixed in the quart of water and drank the full quart each weekday and took the weekends off. The results for me were life changing because this put my arthritis into remission and has kept it there for about 15 years now.

Borax does not work for everybody because some people are unable to tolerate it and I have seen this happen in a couple of friends, but judging by reports on EC, it seems to help the majority of people who have tried it, but like anything else, it requires taking it to find out if it will help you or not.

Ted's dose for women is half of the men's dose or 1/8 teaspoon in a quart of water consumed in full each weekday with weekends off.

To give an idea of how much boron the dose of borax contains, borax is said to contain approximately 11.3% boron. On my digital milligram scale, my 1/4 teaspoon of borax weighs in at about 985 mg. Multiply this times .113 or .113 x 985 = 111.35 mg of boron in the men's dose and half of that or (111.35 /2=55.6525 mg) approximately 55 mg in the women's daily dose. A note of warning, not all 1/4 teaspoons are exactly the same size, so the dose can vary depending on your 1/4 teaspoon.

The original discoverer of the use of borax/boron for arthritis, Dr. Rex Newnham used lower dosing than Ted, but he also found it effective for many people with arthritis decades before Ted. So it seems the effective dose is not carved in stone, but it is the dose that Ted recommended for men that worked very effectively for me, so that is the one I mention.

I think one of the reason that Ted suggested sipping the quart throughout the day was to essentially create a timed released dose that would be less likely to have negative side effects on the gastrointestinal system because sipping would help prevent large concentrations of the high pH borax in the digestive system at any one time, potentially reducing the potential for gastric upset or discomfort, that some users have reported and found intolerable. There is always the possibility that a person can be allergic to almost anything, including borax and I did see this in one friend who was not able to take borax. So that has been my experience with borax for arthritis and I am very glad that I finally decided to test borax. I was at a point pain wise where I felt I had to at least test it. It is also worth mentioning that boron/borax has shown potential benefit for osteoporosis/ osteopenia as I discussed here :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/osteoporosis-supplements-art-solbrig.html

Lastly, based on multiple friend's experiences with melatonin lotion for various body aches including arthritis, I think melatonin lotion that they made themselves is turning out to be quite useful. You can read about their results and how they made their melatonin lotion at home with simple and common ingredients here :

https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/topical-melatonin-pain-relief-success-stories.html

You might also read the replies to the original article as there is more reporting or updating there.

Art


Collagen Contraindications
Posted by Art (California) on 07/18/2020 2218 posts

Helen M.,

I have never seen anything that would indicate that collagen supplementation can cause low sodium levels.

Common causes of Hyponatremia are certain diuretics, excessive water intake, hormonal imbalance, excessive diarrhea, dehydration, antidepressants, Cushing's Syndrome, excessive exercise, NSAIDS and other pain medications.

Art


Where to Buy
Posted by Art (California) on 11/04/2020 2218 posts

Hi RSW,

Yes, they had been doing that, but very recently I recommended it to another friend and they did not offer them the other two free bottles. They're over 22,000 reviews now, so they probably figure they have enough reviews.

When they asked me for a review, they did not say it had to be a positive review, just that a review was required in order to get the other 2 bottles and they always delivered the extra bottles to all of the people I have recommended it to up until this friend that I last recommended it to.

On a related note, a friend that I recommended it to had been taking a popular collagen supplement for years and never got any benefit from it, but this one thickened her hair to a level of a much younger woman, but the first friend I recommended it to saw no difference in his hair, but he did get a tremendous benefit for his torn tendons and ligaments, which is remarkable!

Art


Where to Buy
Posted by Amy (California ) on 10/11/2020

Art, can you tell us which brand & product exactly? And how much & how many times a day we should take it? Thank you.

Where to Buy
Posted by Art (California) on 10/11/2020 2218 posts

Hi Amy,

Here is a link to the original article that has a link in it directly to the exact product that she and my friend used to very good effect for different reasons:

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/collagen-for-torn-ligaments.html

It's near the bottom of the article with an Amazon link, right before you get to the "Conclusion".

Regarding dosing:

They both followed the directions on the bottle, 3 capsules at the same time with 8 ounces of water, once a day. It took her about three months to see the results.

Art


Where to Buy
Posted by Amy (California ) on 10/12/2020

Thank you Art.,


Collagen Side Effects
Posted by Art (California) on 10/13/2020 2218 posts

Hi Gracie,

Thank you for the reply and I'm sorry that the collagen was not helpful for you. I guess your previous issues with collagen were the warning.

The Amla is a very impressive supplement with the long history of healthful benefits that you mentioned and is the reason why it was the first supplement I offered to my friend to try and get her off of her prescription meds.

It has antioxidant and antiinflammatory qualities and at the amounts used has shown the ability to lower certain inflammatory mediators such as IL-1b, IL-6, TNF alpha and NF Kappa b. It also very significantly increases glutathione by up to 50% in just 12 weeks! Both antiinflammatory and antioxidant effects are likely what is helping your knee. You said you have tried many supplements, but have you tried, borax, MSM or boron yet for the arthritis as longer term remedies? I can recommend a couple of topical pain relievers, but they only offer temporary pain relief, but don't offer longer term relief as borax, MSM or boron can. There are also homeopathic remedies I can suggest.

I've even used borax topically for arthritic hands, but have not tried it that way for a knee or a hip. I made it into a lotion for the hands. Oral borax was a game changer for me and has kept my arthritis in remission for well over 12 years now and it was severe arthritis!

Colloidal silver has also been suggested for arthritis and while I have used colloidal silver a lot, I have not tried it for that purpose and since my arthritis is now nil, I can't even test it on myself first for arthritis.

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Ray (South West) on 10/13/2020

I just want to update on my wrist with Art. My wrist is 80% to the good. I will be ordering more collagen you recommended.

Not complaining, but woke up this morning and and my ankle is in severe pain for no reason. Soaking it in hot epsom salts and applying magnesium spray. So I'm back on crutches. I believe this is caused by the Cipro.

Any other remedies please let me know. Thank you, Ray


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 10/13/2020

Hi Ray,

I'm very happy to hear that the collagen is significantly helping with your wrist! My friend is getting on quite well with it and I saw him out in his yard working with different shears, clippers and a hedge trimmer with no problem the other day and his happy!

Regarding your ankle, a few things things come to mind without knowing more, gout, a fracture or arthritis. Gout is caused by too much uric acid and the number one remedy on EC is apple cider vinegar, but pure black cherry juice is also helpful for gout.

For arthritis, borax, MSM and boron are useful.

For a fracture, you will need an xray to confirm and then you can work on it from there.

No matter the cause of the pain, a good topical pain reliever should be effective, but it would be better to have your doctor determine the cause first.

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 10/13/2020 2218 posts

Ray,

I forgot to mention if you think the ankle is from cipro, take vitamin c and extra if you are already taking it. It may also help with gout if it is caused by gout.

Art


Collagen Side Effects
Posted by Gracie (Uk) on 10/11/2020

With all due respect to Art's wonderful help and advice that he gives Earth Clinic readers, I did take the collagen supplement that he recommended for his friend, and experienced adverse effects. I took the supplement for a month, and the following two months after that were the lowest I'd felt in my life. I cannot say with any certainty that it was due to the collagen or whether it was coincidental, but it has taken me quite a time to get my health back on track again.

Processed collagen does not suit everyone!

Collagen Side Effects
Posted by Art (California) on 10/12/2020 2218 posts

Hi Gracie,

You are correct, not everything suits everyone and this goes for vitamins, supplements, herbs and prescription medications. Even something like vitamin D can not be taken by everyone. If the product was not compatible with you, I would definitely return it no matter how many pills are left in the bottle!

Even with prescription medications such as blood pressure medications, it always comes down to trial and error because nobody knows if one medication will work for an individual until they try it and that is the reason there are so many different blood pressure medications, because if one doesn't work or is incompatible with you, the doctor simply has you try another one. Supplements are the same, trial and error. I try to report the ones that show success in studies or people or both. Thank you for the feedback, Gracie! Positive feedback is nice, but it is also good to know about the downside too.

Art


Collagen Side Effects
Posted by Betsy (Virginia USA) on 01/03/2024

Like Gracie, I tried the combo brand you recommended but had the same side effects that made it unusable for me. I switched to a different brand of just type II but it's not been all that effective despite being on it since July 2023z

I'm taking 6 mg daily of boron but haven't tried straight borax. The boron removed my brain fog which was a pleasant surprise! My 24/7 pain is related to overuse of antibiotics coupled with a 40-year-old set of pelvic fractures which never healed properly. On top of that my cartilage is nearly gone in both hip sockets. So both legs constantly ache; and I have sharp low back pain from the osteoarthritis.

Do you feel borax would be beneficial for me?


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Dan (North Jersey) on 05/28/2020
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Art Solbrig, Thank you so much for such an obviously altruistic, wanting - to - ease - pain article on collagen, and its benefits for joint ailments to back pain, and more. The link to Multi Collagen Plus on Amazon was greatly helpful. ALL THE BEST!

Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 06/28/2020 2218 posts

Hi, Dan.

I really have no idea about the use of melatonin for a multi decade nasal issue. It worked extremely well to get rid of my months long cough, but that is not the same issue.

If it is really arthritis in your back, borax is what has put my arthritis into remission for well over a decade using Ted's dosing recommendation for men. It costs less than a penny per day at Ted's dosing schedule. When I say remission, I mean no pain at all from what was severe pain in most joints. I would not be without borax now. Collagen can help some people with arthritis, but I suspect that it is a different method of action than borax. If I had to choose only one for arthritis, my first choice would be borax as I believe borax goes after the cause while collagen may just be replacing what is being depleted by the disease process. For some people, MSM works well for relief from arthritis pain, but I am not one of those people and some people are sensitive to MSM and can not use it. I don't consider DMSO to be a practical long term option, but some claim it relieves arthritis pain and other forms of pain, but again, I am not one of those people as it does zero for any pain issues I have tried it for including arthritis.

If I had a similar nasal issue, I think I would try Mucinex, a neti pot using different active ingredients including a blend of colloidal silver and xylitol, quercetin, homeopathy and a nasal spray called Xlear in no particular order. Here is a link for Xlear which also contains xylitol which can act as an anti-irritant.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=xlear+nasal+spray+with+xylitol&crid=22WCS25K9I59A&sprefix=xlear,aps,231&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_6_5

Good luck and please keep us posted on how you do!

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 05/28/2020 2218 posts

Hi Dan, Thank you very much for the compliment! Yes, I definitely hope that others see similar benefits as my friend did with this supplement! I'm hoping the Melatonin /Covid-19 post will save lives and serious after effects that are now seen in Covid-19 survivors! Unfortunately, the one and only planned study for melatonin and Covid-19 is only going to use 2 mg of melatonin! How sad is that when they continue to trial and test drugs like remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine which still allow people to die of Covid-19. Dr. Neel only has 20 Covid-19 patients as of last week, but everyone of them started to improve in one day of using high dose melatonin (HDM)! Not one of his patients had the dreaded "cytokine storm" or pneumonia or had to be intubated. These are three major points of Covid-19 that are associated with death and without those three, Covid-19 becomes less of a killer disease and more of a "disease that you can live with". https://earthclinic.com/ailments/melatonin-for-covid19-post-intensive-care/ Sorry to drift so far off topic, Dan, it's just that I am a little passionate about melatonin and Covid-19 as well as melatonin and other major diseases like cancer! Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Ray H. (south west) on 05/21/2020
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I sent in a comment 3 years ago about how Cipro damaged my tendon in my knee and femoral nerve. I now have cartilage tears in my wrist for the last 8 months. I started taking collagen 3 months ago and I have had less pain. I can play golf with a separated wrist ban on each side of my wrist. Thank you for the information.

Healed Bad Knees and Hips
Posted by Matthew (Nashville, TN) on 05/15/2022

Levaquin can also damage tendons - it's in the same family of drugs as Cipro - they're both in the same family of toxic drugs that have black box warnings -fluoroquinolones. Glutathione IVs are supposed to be good for the detoxification of these drugs.


Where to Buy
Posted by RSW (OH) on 11/04/2020
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Hi Art,

I have been using the collagen supplement you recommended to strengthen tendons since my shoulder had been hurting and seemed to be getting worse. Anyway, I bought it on Amazon as you posted, but when I went to buy another bottle, I went directly to the site of the maker to give him my business, and he (was, is? ) offering two free bottles, postage paid, for a positive review. I received mine today. Just wanted to pass this along because supplement costs can add up and I was just speechless at this offer. Thanks for suggesting this collagen. RSW

Collagen Feedback
Posted by DeeDee (Texas) on 11/01/2020

Thank you so much Art. I do take vit c (at least 3 grams per day) and also hyaluronic acid 120 mg. Will add gelatin now.

Thanks again, DeeDee


Collagen Feedback
Posted by LttleWing (Boston) on 10/29/2020

Please be careful with Mucinex, it can make your blood pressure skyrocket, one of the side effects. I can't take it, though it does work, but not worth the danger of feeling your pulse every time your eyes blink, scary stuff.


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 05/21/2020 2218 posts

Hi, Kate!

I think this one below may be worth giving a try as it is powder that can be mixed into a smoothie, coffee or just about any cold or hot drink. This one is obviously popular with over 26,600 reviews and a 80% five star rating and a 4% 1 star rating! An 80% 5 star rating is very impressive with this huge number of reviews and the 4% of 1 star ratings is also very impressive with this many reviews. Generally, as the number of reviews grow, the 5 star rating drops and the 1 star ratings increase, but this product with the huge number of reviews has managed to keep its ratings very high! These are very good numbers when there are 26,600 reviews! It is not exactly the same formulation as the capsules that my friend used, but it seems worth a try. Collagen Peptides Powder by Sports Research https://amzn.to/2Tu4WQf

Kate, if you do decide to test this product, please come back to this post and give an update to EC so if it works well for you, others on EC who have swallowing issues can also have a viable option to the capsules!

Thank you! Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Doreen (Canada) on 05/20/2020
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When I click on the Amazon link in the article, it takes me to a page that has multiple brands. So which one is the correct one? Thanks. -----------------------

EC: Hi Doreen, It's called: Multi Collagen Plus (Types I, II, III, V & X) - Collagen Peptides + Absorption Enhancer - Grass Fed Collagen Protein Blend for Anti-Aging, Hair, Skin, Nails and Joints (90 Collagen Capsules) by DR EMIL NUTRITION

Collagen Feedback
Posted by Abby (Springfield, MA) on 07/24/2021

Honestly would not suggest anyone getting these supplements off of Amazon as the product is not consistent. And causing horrible abdominal pains. If you can find it somewhere other than amazon I would highly suggest you do so.


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 05/20/2020 2218 posts

Hi, Jan,

If that collagen supplement is working good for you, that is great! I specifically mentioned Multi Collagen Plus Types I, II, III, V & X, because that is the exact product that worked for my friend for his torn ligaments and torn tendons. He also tried a similar product with the same ingredients on the label and it did not work for him at all as he continuously declined while taking it and turned out to be a complete waste of time and money. I don't normally point out a specific product like this, but because it has worked very effectively for him and the other similar collagen product did not,

I am specifically pointing out the collagen product that did work for him very well. When I started reading the reviews for the many collagen products out there, it became clear that judging by the ratings and comments not all collagen products are created equal! It's not like vitamin D where most brands are going to be similar in effects, so brand is not a critical issue, but in this case I am pointing out the product that worked very well for his purpose so there is no confusion about what worked for him.

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Roger (United States) on 05/20/2020
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Thanks Art for a great review. I've been taking a collagen supplement off and on for a while in an attempt to help knee issues that I'm sure include tendons and ligaments. I have narrowing of the medial compartments as well. Lots of pain to a point of not being able to walk or balance well due to the pain and instability of both knees. I'll try this brand of collagen for a few bottles. If there in anything else you may suggest for my case, I would appreciate hearing about it. I've tried many other remedies found on Earth Clinic as well as other places. This includes most every supplement, TENS, Laser Light Therapy and even stem cell injections. Lately I've been reading about Dr. Sarno's findings for chronic pain. Makes a lot of sense being nothing is helping and things should have healed by now. It's been about 10 years for the left knee and about 2 now for the right. Thank you.

Healed Bad Knees and Hips
Posted by Thomas Lewis (Full-time RVing, currently in Flagstaff, AZ) on 05/20/2020 64 posts
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I have seen good results in myself and several people within 4 months of taking one 500 mg capsule per day of chicken sternum Type 2 collagen capsules from SwansonVitamins or PipingRock.

My knees were loose in their sockets in 2015, but their cartilage filled in back to normal in 4 months by taking a capsule of chicken sternum mornings. In 2016, another person canceled their hip replacement during 6 months of taking the chicken sternum capsules. During the same 6 months, a friend of the hip replacement person could not stand in the buffet line without having to sit down because of knee pain, but ended up canceling their knee replacement by taking the chicken sternum and was walking around normally as if the knee had never hurt. More recently in April of 2020, another 86 year old person's severe knee pain was healed within 4 months of taking a capsule per day of the Swanson chicken sternum.

A bottle of 120 capsules currently costs about $15 from Swanson: https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-chicken-sternum-cartilage-collagen-type-ii-500-mg-120-caps

Also fromPipingRock: https://www.pipingrock.com/chicken-collagen/chicken-sternum-collagen-type-ii-500-mg-120-capsules-8483

Healed Bad Knees and Hips
Posted by Thomas Lewis (currently Flagstaff, AZ) on 05/21/2020 64 posts
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The Multi Collagen Plus looks like a great product and maybe adding hyaluronic acid powder (sodium hyaluronate) to the Multi Collagen would help with the tendons and ligaments. That's kind of how it happened with my ankle. The ankle probably being mostly tendons and ligaments, 1/4 level tsp (about 440 mg) of BulkSupplements' hyaluronic acid (HA) powder mornings helped my sprained ankle in combo with 500 mg chicken sternum, 1 level tsp of hydrolized bovine collagen powder and 4 calcium hydroxyapatite (CH) capsules per day, which equals 1 gram of calcium total from the CH. HA is sticky, but I just put the HA powder on my tongue and take a sip of water, letting the water soak into the HA for 30 seconds. Then scrape off the gelatinous HA on roof of mouth and swallow it with more water. Even though chicken sternum does have natural HA and chondroitin, it was only after I added the hyaluronic acid powder that my sprained ankle became better, although not perfect but improved. Therefore, I see HA as a lubricant for connective tissue. Chicken sternum doesn't work every time, and didn't work for my shoulders, which are somewhat compromised but usable.


Healed Bad Knees and Hips
Posted by Roger (United States) on 05/22/2020

Thank you Art, I do have some MO and have tried it on my knees without much relief. I still spray it on legs daily. I'm also taking a lot of magnesium in supplement form. Time will tell. That is a great idea about mixing Advil with lotion, I will give that a try. I do take MSM daily and have used a lotion containing MSM, but have not tried the saturated MSM, that might be worth a try. I have tried borax for a while off and on over the last couple years. Never seemed to help much. I'll try the other two items you mentioned and see if that can give me a little relief. Thanks.


Healed Bad Knees and Hips
Posted by Art (California) on 05/22/2020 2218 posts

Roger,

If the topical naproxen or ibuprofen is not enough relief, do not order the homeopathic cream as it is approximately equivalent to those two in terms of pain relief, but a more natural alternative that some people prefer. Myself, I find naproxen more effective than ibuprofen, but I am allergic to naproxen so I can't use it.

Let me know how you do with the naproxen cream.

Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by DeeDee (Texas) on 10/31/2020

Art...I have a question about Cipro.

I had three or four rounds of Cipro seven or eight years ago, but only recently been diagnosed with torn tendon. (I had x-rays and MRI with and without contrast) It shows full thickness tear of gluteal tendon. My orthopedic surgeon has me going to physical therapy for six weeks to see if that helps, before surgery. However, I feel like my tendons in arms are bad too! I know I have arthritis but this feels totally different. I ordered the collagen that you suggested and started with the 3 pills a day on an empty stomach. I have only been taking them for one week now, so no improvement yet. Anyway, my question is how long CAN cipro take to do this damage?? Everything I have read says the longest is up to six months but mine has been years. Do you think it is still possible?? Thank you, DeeDee

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Posted by Art (California) on 11/01/2020 2218 posts

Hi Dee Dee,

Please come back to EC and share your results!

Art


Collagen Contraindications
Posted by Carlton (London, UK) on 10/14/2020

Regarding Art's collagen article

I ordered some Collagen. The label states as follows:

Marine collagen type 1&3 1000mg, Hyaluronic Acid 200mg/serving; Vitamin C, Zinc, Copper for Immune System; E, B2, Iodine. Hydrolyzed peptides supplement. Dose: 2 capsules daily.

I take Levothyroxine 100mcg daily for Hashimoto's. Do you think the fact the collagen contains Iodine is a problem for me? Each capsules contains 100mcg of Iodine, so a total of 200 mcg if 2 capsules are taken.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

Collagen Contraindications
Posted by Helen (AB, Canada) on 05/22/2020

Hi Art, Can you take the collagen if you have heart issues?


Collagen Contraindications
Posted by Art (California) on 05/23/2020 2218 posts

Hi, Helen! I have not seen conclusive studies regarding existing heart disease and collagen supplementation, so it will be safer for you to consult your cardiologist to be as safe as possible. Art


Collagen Contraindications
Posted by Helen M. (A) on 07/18/2020

Asking a question about low sodium Hyponatremia and any reaction to collagen supplements?

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Posted by Vidyullatha (Raleigh, NC) on 06/14/2020

Hi everyone, I need some help/advice. My cousin (28 years old) has recurring shoulder dislocation issues for 3 years. When he works hard physically, pulls, or pushes something, his shoulder dislocates. He is being treated by local chiropractors, but there has not been any healing. Doctors recommend surgery, however, the surgery results in an inability to rotate his arm 360 degrees. In his town, 70 more people are suffering from the same problem. Would this be caused by any mineral deficiencies/toxins? If anyone has any knowledge about this kind of problem please share. Thank you.

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Posted by Art (California) on 06/14/2020 2218 posts

This is called "chronic shoulder instability" and once a shoulder has been dislocated just once, it is subject to this instability which means it can be prone to dislocate again. This is common in people who are or were active in sports such as hockey or football who dislocated their shoulder. I'm not thinking collagen would be effective in this case. Here is a video that shows a different option for shoulder repair that might be suitable for your cousin that does not limit range of motion : https://youtu.be/yB7yTdsoT24 Art


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Posted by Charity (faithville, Us) on 06/15/2020

Videos: John knows the bones spine and lots of stuff to heal the body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGPZkw4XJ1I Eric on referred pain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GHVuUnX0H4&t=342s


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Posted by Dan (New Jersey) on 05/30/2020

Hello, Art! Thank you for the great info on Dr. Neel's mega melatonin regimen. I take 10-mg, sub-lingually at bedtime, for sleep, but have never been able to stop multiple sniffles, blowing my nose, and hacking phlegm (easily 15 to 30 times a day ) SINCE THE AGE OF THREE !!! And if I have a cold, all the above, easily 100 times ...........That's SEVENTY TWO YEARS, every day of my mucusy life! I' m going to try 50-mg tonight. I'm vegan ( no dairy ) and take a slew of vitamins, though I can't afford the pricey ones like resveratrol, co-q-10, NADH, etc. But I'm up to 18 grams of ascorbic acid , with no effect on my nasal games. I'm looking forward to this melatonin experiment ! Again, THANK YOU! Lastly, are there any vegan, or even vegetarian multi-collagen caps or powders that would come close to the arthritis-relieving Multi Collagen Plus, by Dr. Emil Nutrition? I've had financially & socially crippling back problems since age 19 & would love to see some of the various improvements Amazon customers raved about, that you so considerately and time-savingly provided with your link. I looked for vegan collagen on Amazon, but the reviews were dismal. As an afterthought, I don't think I'd have a moral dilemma, if Multi Collagen Plus was not made from animals killed for collagen, but from animal parts left from those slaughtered for food. All The Best! Dan


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Posted by Art (California) on 05/30/2020 2218 posts

Dan, Two things that are often mentioned for excess mucous that does not release easily are N Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) and Mucinex, both mucolytics, but whether you plan to try anything for the condition you have, including melatonin, it seems that you should seek your professional health care provider's advice or your doctor's advice and supervision because any of these can potentially interact with medications you are taking or could possibly impact your current condition negatively since it sounds like you have never had a definitive diagnosis. Art


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Posted by Dan (North Jersey) on 05/31/2020

Hi, Art! Very kind of you to respond to my concerns so quickly! I've taken NAC ( 600 mg ) with Alpha Lipoic Acid ( 600 mg ) at least once a day, for years & years, not for mucous, but to protect my liver & kidneys from too many tablespoons ( sometimes 2 to 3 ) of organic agave syrup, mixed in with nut butters ( soy, almond, sunflower, tahini, peanut .....all organic , or at least non-GMO ). I'll look into Mucinex. Thanks for the tip. As for "no definitive diagnosis " , every doctor I've ever seen, including the last two, who were immediately informed of my nasal annoyances, were completely ineffective in finding a cause. And the last one, who is world famous, Dr. A. ( has a radio program on WBAI , 99.5 FM , and was chief pathologist for over 35 years at Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck , NJ ), does not accept Medicare. So it would cost me the usual $175.00 to get his advice on NAC, Mucinex, melatonin, etc. The last time I saw him, about 7 months ago, I asked him what it would cost for an intravenous, 50-gram, vitamin-C drip . He said he doesn't go any higher than 25-grams, and it would cost $160.00 !!! That's in addition to the $175.00 office visit. This level of price gouging is so disappointing from a doctor whose broadcasts repeatedly showed disgust with the medical profession. I've stayed away from antihistamines for liver/kidney/drowsiness concerns, but I'm gonna' try the Mucinex. I'll also try 3 or 4 caps of NAC before bed. Be Good To Yourself, as you have been to others and me. Dan


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Posted by Art (California) on 05/31/2020 2218 posts

Dan, One other thing you can try is a nasal spray that contains Xylitol. It is called Xlear nasal spray. The xylitol can have antibacterial qualities plus anti-irritant qualities. Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 05/21/2020 2218 posts

You're welcome, Ray! If you decide to try the product that my friend used, please comeback and tell us about your experience with it. Thank you, Ray! Art


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Posted by Sherri (Oak Hill, WV) on 05/21/2020
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Art, My husband had a stem cell transplant for Multiple Myeloma & they gave him Levaquin for 10 days. He had ruptured tendons, rotator cuff injuries, along with other things that make it impossible for him to lift his arm. He is in constant pain. I give him Magnesium and Tumeric but will order a bottle of this and make sure he is ok to take it as he is on Warfarin. Hoping this will bring him some relief. Thank you for this information.

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Posted by Art (California) on 05/21/2020 2218 posts

Hi Sherri,

It sounds like your husband got the worst possible effects of Cipro and I am sorry to hear that. On the positive side, the curcumin is very good to take for multiple myeloma(MM)! For further information on the roll and effects of curcumin with MM, here is a link to a blog that I think you and your husband may find quite useful:

https://margaret.healthblogs.org/

The originator of that blog is Margaret who is a very nice lady and has had MM for a long time and has managed to keep it at bay with curcumin and a few other supplements, curcumin is the main component of her regimen. I used to go to her blog many years ago, so I doubt she will remember me, but I would definitely recommend that the both of you stop in and see how she has kept MM at more a less a stand still for so many years! Back to your husband's pain issues. The collagen may help, but it takes time as my friend found out. I can suggest a couple of noninvasive topical pain relievers to help your husband until the collagen does whatever it is going to do. The first one is an old standby here on EC and that is magnesium chloride oil or mag oil (MO) as it is commonly referred to. MO can relieve some joint pain and reduce inflammation and swelling such as a twisted ankle might have as well as help to relax tense muscles especially in the neck and shoulder areas. It can also rapidly relieve muscle cramps in the legs, feet, arms and hands. Here is a link to an inexpensive ($10) MO product that will be plenty for your husband to test and use for quite awhile.

https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Oil-Spray-STRENGTH-Essential/dp/B01N0KQ9QJ/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=mag+oil&qid=1590084926&sr=8-6

The other product I would suggest is a homeopathic blend product and being a homeopathic product is much less likely to have adverse effects. This product I would describe as having slightly more pain relieving effect than MO, but does not have as broad effects as MO, but if pain relief is the main issue then this one may be a good choice, but either one should be helpful. https://www.swansonvitamins.com/natrabio-the-arnica-rub-4-fl-oz-cream

Sherri, please comeback and keep us updated on how your husband does with all of it as this information will be quite useful for the members of EC! Art


Collagen Feedback
Posted by Kate (United States) on 05/21/2020

Art, I have trouble taking big pills due to having had gastric bypass surgery 18 years ago. Is there a powdered form that would work well? I use one in my cup of tea each morning and it helps but I just bought that at the grocery store (vitamin aisle). I would just love to get your opinion on a good powdered collagen.

Collagen Feedback
Posted by Art (California) on 05/20/2020 2218 posts

Yes, that is the one my friend used and it looks just like the picture of the jar in the original post. Art



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