Natural Cures for Angina (Chest Pain)

Vitamin E
Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 07/20/2017
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Angina pain can be dramatically helped by using natural (not synthetic) Vitamin E. I've recently seen another case of this; where a lady had multiple stints placed in her after a heart attack but the angina continued. After being on 400 IUs of natural E daily, the Angina stopped. I understand that it is best to start E at 200 IUs...taking either d-alpha tocopherol or mixed tocopherols. After taking 200 IUs for a few weeks, increase to 400 and so forth. I've been on 800 IUs of E for 30 years.

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Tassi (Berkeley, California) on 07/22/2016

OK, 4 days later: The 7/18 remedy I posted gave my dad a couple of days pain-free, but the pain came back again. Now I have him supplied with the 2 T ACV in 8 oz of water every 2 hours around the clock (at least while he is naturally awake, or gets up to pee or something like that). I added potassium chloride back into his diet (he had stopped using it as a salt substitute over a year ago because it has a diuretic effect for him and he dislikes that, but it is essential in order to keep the heart muscles from being destroyed, according to Adelle Davis in “Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit” (get yrself copies of all her books: used, they are cheap - mostly filled with good stuff except for her old-fashioned ideas about vegetable oils, which you should disregard). So I THINK the regular potassium chloride use will now resolve things. In the meantime, the lineup of remedies to try goes like this: Be taking the ACV in water, as above, and using potassium chloride (I don't know, at least 1/8 to 1/4 tsp per day) regularly. If you have a pain crisis: Take 4 vitamin E capsules (400 IU d-alpha-tocopherol) and chew them up to get the contents right away (you can spit out the gel-capsules). If that does not do it, the next thing is the hawthorn — note that you should be taking dried extract capsules, 500 mg twice a day on a regular basis for heart and circulatory health, so if you are having a pain crisis get out up to 6 capsules and open them and put the contents into a cup, mix in some warm water a little at a time (abt 1/3 cup) and pour in some tincture of hawthorn — about 1/3 of a 4-oz bottle should do it, and stir up the contents. Drink it over about 10 minutes. This often took care of the pain for my dad. If that does not do it, I would add taking a few drops of Lugol's iodine in 3-5 T of water, swigged down. Still any pain left? Take a pinch of potassium chloride (or 1/8 tsp if you have not yet started adding it regularly into your diet, which you should do). OK, hoping for the best for everyone...

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Patricia (Downsville, New York) on 01/03/2017 42 posts

Source: WebMd

I am trying to find out who the author is of the above list you quoted about who should not take potassium chloride. I don't see any author listed on the link. It is just present as information on the WebMd site. Can you help me find it? Thank you.

I am concerned that there is a lot of fake information out there to prevent people taking their health into their own hands. I myself have no physician and have managed to stay healthy during my lifetime except for getting a diagnosis of basal cell carcinoma on my forehead from a biopsy and then declining the doctor's $15,000 surgery for a dime size skin carcinoma and paid 49$ for a salve to remove it. That was 2001. I know earth clinic is being careful . I don' t recall or remember seeing any lists of diseases that should not use a particular remedy.

I personally used potassium chloride to remove a slight 2 second duration of increased beating of the heart once every month or so. After reading Joe Vialls article I bought it from Now brand to take and that quick beating only came back after I stopped taking it for a while. So, I recently purchased chloride in bulk frin and have resumed taking it again. The heart's short spurt of increased beating (symptom) has disappeared again. I take 1/4 tsp plus one pinch in juice. 4 times I figure is enough to make up the 3 to 4000 mgs per day. I have not been consistent because I have not found a source of organic orange juice in which to take it. I have also added jacketed potatoes as they are purported to have 1000mgs potassium per day.

You have to understand that drugs is a huge business that needs continued flow of the sick to keep the stock growing and to pay for the huge outlay for each heart drug such as those for the symptoms of angina mentioned in Joe Vialls article. The symptoms happen to be the same for potassium chloride deficiency.There is much disinformation out there. I don't mean any disrespect to you but we have to somehow root out the d is information put out to help the drug companies so we will use their drug for angina and not a cheap remedy such as potassium chloride. If there is no author taking responsibility for that list, then we should seek him or her out for verification. Isn't that prudent?

I read somewhere that pottasium or potassium chloride or a form of it is used extensively in emergency rooms when certain symptoms appear such as heart attack. The hospital does not first check to see if the stricken has any of the diseases on that list. They use it and suffer the consequences of doing it. If anyone has that article about what things are used in the emergency room, I think it would be great to get it posted.

Happy New Year to those at


Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Bill (San Fernando) on 01/06/2015

Hi Karen...Much thanks for you post on how Lugol's Iodine helped to cure your chest/breast pain. Before WWII they used to use a drug called iodoniacin(containing KI and niacin) for heart problems and high blood. It was very successful. LI also helps prevent/remove breast and uterine cysts, so I'm not surprised( though I'm certainly pleased) with your positive experience.

Here's some more past and current research that you might like to read concerning the whole body's need(not just for the thyroid) for Lugol's Iodine:

Iodine Research 1

Iodine Research 2

The thyroid gland can store up to a maximum 50 mgs of iodine. But it might also surprise you that the rest of the body(ex-thyroid) needs to maintain a store 1500 mgs of iodine every day to stay healthy. So you get the picture. Doctors only ever refer to iodine and the thyroid because that's the way they have been taught by the drugs companies(who write all their Standard of Care Manuals). The above research simply reveals the truth about iodine's essential roles and importance to the human body.

For the last 9 years I've been taking 8 drops %5 LI ever day in water and I attribute much of my own continuing health to this small but essential supplementary habit.

If you want to thoroughly detox then the ones to use are green tea, sodium thiosulfate, EDTA, Lugol's Iodine, chlorella, Vitamin C and Alkalizing as per Ted.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Vanessw (New Orleans, Louisiana) on 11/30/2014
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I was born with an enlarged heart and my cardiologist cautioned me about gaining weight and doing intense workout. When I was in my 20s, I was able to maintain my weight with dieting. However, when I reached middle 30s, I started putting on weight as I got tired of watching what I ate. Now I am at my heaviest and I get chest pains everyday. I've read from EC that Apple Cider Vinegar can help in losing weight, lower blood pressure and blood sugar so I started taking it 3 days ago when I got another chest pain. I was amazed because the pain was gone after 10 minutes! I have no chest pain since then! I am now taking it regularly for the health benefits that it gives.

Thank you for sharing the info about ACV here.

Olive Oil
Posted by Supernatural (Lancaster, Pa) on 05/27/2014 1 posts

Re: Olive Oil for Chest Pain. This could have been from gallstones. The Olive Oil would help them pass.

Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 02/24/2012

Natural, not synthetic, vitamin E will oxygenate the blood and help angina problems as well as lack of circulation in the legs. If you buy Vitamin E at a drug store you will always get synthetic E but at health food stores you will get natural E. Use the natural "mixed tocopherols" with more of the d alpha tocopherol. The gamma tocopherol should be in the mix on the label as it too has been shown to be beneficial. Start with 200 iu daily and over a period of two months increase to 400. I've taken 1,000 for 30 years.

My father's angina went away after using this in two months... Completely. He'd had triple bypass but still suffered from angina after the surgery. I got him on the natural E and the angina went away. Also after ten years his bypasses were still clean, which amazed the heart doctor who was certain that after ten years, they would be closed which is the norm. Of interest, another five years after that (15 years after the triple) he began having some issues so again they looked inside and some clotting had begun. Not even a stint was necessary at the time but they warned him it was coming. I then checked to see what kind of E he had been using and found he'd quit getting the E at the health food store and started buying it a a discount drug store... He had started using synthetic E a year earlier. I got him off the synthetic and back onto the natural. Never another heart problem until his death ten years later... 25 years after his heart surgery with no stints or other heart issues. He did not die of heart related issues.

Posted by HisJewel (New York) on 10/28/2022
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Electrolytes got rid of some chest pain for me. Unbelievable, but worth checking out if you have tried everything else and it's the middle of the night. I didn't know what I was dealing with. All I knew is it felt like a pinching under my left breast. I have experienced that in past times, but I never knew what made it go.

Last night before I finally fell asleep, I took everything I could think of for gas or heart conditions, this included cayenne pepper and baking soda. When I woke up the pinching pain was still there and so was I, thank God. I was praying that nothing would pop loose. It was now about 12:30 a.m. just a little after midnight. I took Nattokinase 40

00 fibrinolytic units on an empty stomach. Two hours passed but the pinch in the chest refuse to budge. I thought about Potassium, Magnesium and Vitamin C and D, but I had tried them all yesterday. So, I decided to fix an Emergen-C Electrolyte pack. The pain faded away and was gone in five minutes and I went back to sleep. Praise the Lord! And I still feel great.


Posted by HisJewel (New York) on 10/29/2022

Correcting sentence:

I took Nattokinase 4,000 fibrinolytic units (which equaled 2 capsules according to my bottle) on an empty stomach.

And as said later the Electrolyte pack.

Posted by Canadiandave (Bc) on 01/29/2017 15 posts
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I know this is a weird one, so I hesitate to state it a bit, but maybe it will help someone. I discovered this like 20 years ago or so, and am not sure how people will take it. I discovered the semi-precious gemstone amethyst helps alleviate the pain of angina when held in the left hand or over the heart. Apparently it also causes osteoporosis and dental problems too, if near the body too long, as it gradually dissolves fats and minerals too.

Weird, but since it's cheap and easy, I thought I'd speak up.

Posted by Sue (Pacific Northwest) on 07/02/2017
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Thank you for this info about another kitchen remedy. I was feeling, unusual for me, distressing discomfort in my heart and chest wall, probably due to work and family stress and... I also accidentally drank real coffee (two cups! ) and I'm a decaf person. I was so anxious and frankly scared, and went to earth clinic. I tried ACV and then, voila: the cayenne pepper. the recipe of 1/8 of a tsp in warm water and before I knew it the pain and anxiety was gone and now I'm back to feeling I belong in the land of the living. Thank you so much!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Vanessw (New Orleans, Louisiana) on 12/16/2014

Still no chest pain. I was able to climb several flights of stairs in my office yesterday, carrying a heavy box of stuff without feeling like I'm gonna pass out any minute. Daily intake of ACV really helps!

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Vanessw (New Orleans, Louisiana) on 10/16/2015

I mix 2 tablespoons of ACV with 16 oz. water and drink it once a day.

Posted by Sherrie (Florida) on 04/15/2022
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My mom had pneumonia for over two weeks, all drugs FAILED. I put pharmaceutical grade Tea Tree oil (antimicrobial) in a diffuser and her lungs cleared up IN 1 HOUR! I'm here to take notes on the Angina. Thank you everyone for sharing your stories! ALSO another thing to help Lung infections or Congestion is Mullein! It's a flower. I bought tinctures and a few drops under the tongue work almost immediately!!

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Gavin (Manganui, Northland, New Zealand) on 01/02/2013

Cayenne, opens all the small arteries, and is a blood thinner, i'm pretty sure after taking a bit everyday for the last year it, clears up the lungs, because everything gets oxygenated. thats along with garlic. I can keep up with non smokers without any trouble, where pre cayenne I was definiatly feeling the lack of wind. Consider it along with ginger, and ACV.

Tabasco Sauce
Posted by Happydad (Virginia Beach, Virginia) on 11/21/2010
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Dear Gentle people:
I took the nitrogen pills for years, even after my by pass surgery, which turned to be a waste of time and money. It also put my like in danger. Someone told me to try Tabasco sauce to relieve the pain, and I did. It worked, the pain went away. So now when the pain starts, I put a little sauce under my tongue. This has been going on for over ten years. I am very satisfied with this remedy. Respectfully submitted.

Posted by Maria (Gippsland, Australia) on 10/27/2010

Hi Tina, I have finally got rid of mine. After years of occasional chest pain, sometimes for days, I have now have none. Once my left arm was swollen so had an ECG and there was no damage to the heart and both the arm and the pain was not due to the heart. Now that I am drinking the alkalizing drink with added magnesium and potassium I have no more chest pain at all. I know that it is not due to the magnesium as I have been taking that for years (for muscle twitches and cramps) on and off. When I was just having the alkalizing drink (lemon juice with bi-carb soda in water) I was still getting the chest pains. It was only after adding the potassium that I noticed a couple of weeks later that I had not had any chest pain. One month later on the potassium and not one pain in the chest. I am still varying the dose at the moment. It is interesting that it is getting increasing harder to get potassium supplements in Australia. All the best in finding your answer.

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 04/24/2012

Kathy: Homemade cayenne capsules work well BUT we found out that it causes stomach upset if taken outside meals. So now we know it should only be consumed during or right after a meal.

Also, lower the amount you are taking. If you are taking only one capsule, fill it up to half of what you did before. Remember: take it only with or right after meals.

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 04/25/2012 2073 posts

As regards to cayenne burning, it is best to purchase the Cayenne/Ginger caps so as to alleviate the this prob.

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Yvonne (Baltimore) on 07/23/2016

Some of these amounts seem pretty high.

2 T. of vinegar every two hours....and the 1/3 of a 4 ounce bottle of hawthorn are way more than a normal dose for a person (even a person in crisis) and the elderly generally need smaller amounts of a remedy.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Don (Eugene Oregon) on 02/06/2018

What dosage of apple cider vinegar, three times a day, did the doctor recommend for heart disease prevention?

Posted by Larry (Fairfax, Va) on 08/09/2015

To Grace (SF): Thanks for your important post about the use of the L-Arginine, L-Citrulline, d-Ribose powder formula for angina. Any details you can give about the specific powder you used would be appreciated. I want to obtain the product that worked for you. Thanks. - Larry

Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn. ) on 06/20/2015

HI U KYMI, , , , , , , , , your post is a service to your fellow man. This cayenne trick will save lots of folks lives. I have had it in my ever present fanny pack for some 15 years. Never had to use it, but it's there if I do. Learned this from a ole country doctor.

About your angina........ suggest you research EDTA Chelation.


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Sam (Miami) on 06/01/2015

I never thought to try the Apple Cider Vinegar, will have to try it. Do any of these stop angina pain right away? I was recommended angina home remedies that work fast include putting your feet on the ground helps but I didn't see it in this article. Also does fish oil help lower plaque in arteries really? Thanks for the article.

Chest Pain Remedies
Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 12/05/2013


Concerning the pain on left side/ chest to left armpit. Of course this may very well be the heart. Don't take chances. Go to ER now.

Seriously, don't take a chance. You need EKG ... could be critical any time.

I don't mean to alarm you but really consider getting assurances this is not a heart issue.

I had an employee in my office suddenly develop tacky skin and became a bit disoriented. In thirty minutes we got him to ER and determined he was having a heart attack...So....the point is, take no chances.

Olive Oil
Posted by Kati (Casper, Wy) on 10/17/2015

Good information. If you are having microwave popcorn, you may want to check out the side effects it can cause. It has some bad stuff in it. When I would have it my legs would hurt so much I would have to rub Thera-gesic cream on them.

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Usa) on 12/22/2011 2073 posts

Jerry, I got the kinda opposite of your condition as I have heart pains after eating "Microwave Popcorn", something to do w/ the oils. The first few bags are OK, but then I get the pains. I take Natural Mixed E, vit-A ---no problem. As far as heart disease, I cannot speculate, but I can list a few things to strengthen the heart.

First I use Magnet Therapy occasionally for maintenance. I use a speaker magnet as it gets down deep into the heart muscle, 1 hr is good maybe once mo. Supplements include: Hawthorn, Ginger/Cayenne, Ginkgo, CoQ10 or Ubiquinol, Carnitine, Coenzyme 1 (NADH), Magnesium.

Consider other detox methods along w/ Oil Pulling as toxicity is very likely. Infections can stress kidneys and Heart if they enter the bloodstream. I had to take 1gm Vit-C before and after O.P. As I had too much toxins released into blood; am down to 500mg now. Try some antibiotic herbs like Neem, Echinacea/Goldenseal, Olive Leaf Extract, Grapefruitseed Extract. Zinc is critical for immunity (take with Vit-A, also works w/ Vit-E)

Use the best form of Vit-E you can afford like Full Spectrum Mixed Tocopherols and be sure to take at least 200 mcs of Selenium plus the CoQ10; these three together are a powerhouse lipid antioxidant and heart protector.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Posted by Gavin (Manganui, Northland, New Zealand) on 02/24/2012

Yes I totally agree, the synthetic vitamins must be watched out for along with the synthetic food. There are a lot of people including me that have taken the synthetic form, and over a few months observing their effects have found them no good for overall health but may be damaging. A multi vitamin which begins with C#[email protected]! %$ caused me to have ulcers at the corners of my mouth, after stopping they cleared up.. So natural is definitely the way to go.

Posted by Art (Tustin, California Usa) on 02/25/2012

DL alpha tocopherol is synthetic vitamin e.

I've read studies where it appeared synthetic vitamin e actually had a negative impact on the human body. Unfortunately many studies do not tell which form of vitamin e is used and this probably helps explain the discrepancies and contradictions associated with vitamin e studies. One study using a specific dose will have a positive effect and then a similar study also using the same dose will have no effect or a negative effect.

Posted by Rswuniontown (Uniontown, Oh) on 02/25/2012

Don't need to take something that is bad for my heart! I just threw my new bottle of C---R---LTD synthetic Vitamin E away. Thanks so much for this information.

Posted by Lloyd (Charlotte, NC) on 12/30/2012

As an update to my post above, another vivid illustration on the use of natural remedies on the dangerous issue of heart problems. A friend came to me and said he was having chest pain but refused to go to the hospital. He had a very bad experience a year earlier and just refused to use conventional medication. I had gotten his dad on natural vitamin E twenty years earlier and his father's condition had stabalized and he is now 88 years old.

After eliminating digestive issues I agreed that his chest pain sounded like angina. So my suggestion was to immediately get on the fllowing suppliments:

400 iu daily of natural vitamin E. Drug stores only carry synthetic E, so go to a health food store and make sure by discussion with the clerk that you are getting good quality natural D-alpha tocopherol. It cannot say "DL-alpha"... the L means it is synthethic.

  • 500 mg of magnesium daily
  • 500 mg of potassium daily
  • 500 mg of the herb Hawthorne daily
  • 500 mg of Co Q 10 daily
  • 1, 000 mg of Vitamin C, in a non acid form daily
  • 1, 000 mg of a good fish oil (taken with meals) daily

I warned him that any hard workout where he was breathing hard could easily kill him... That he was severly depressed in oxygen to the heart and possibly blocked in his arteries in the heart. I emphatically warned him that he was a time bomb. And not to do activities that made him out of breath... Cardio exercise for at least four months. Only after four months could he gradually do activities that caused him to be out of breath. Every month I'd check to make sure he had not run out of nutrients. After 4 months I suggested he up his E to 600 daily.

He did. His wife reported to me after he had been on the program for five months that the transformation was amazing. A year before he had begun coming home and plopping down on his recliner and sleeping after supper whereas throughout their marriage his energy was usually boundless. But now, she reported he had energy as before.

It has now been ten months. No more chest pain. Energy back to normal. He is doing great.

The combo is really important. Some of the items work synergestically so all are better than one or two.

I have personally been on this formula for nearly thirty years. I have 108/78 BP. I take no prescription drugs. I use colloidal silver to ward off infections. Also I do consume other helpful nutrients for the heart such as arginine in large quantities which is an addition in the past five years. And the remarkable Calcium AEP. Go on line and google Calcium AEP and find a report from "Nutritional Review. " AEP (not just any calcium) accomplishes about 20 different actions, many on the cellular level.

I am 63 years old. Have never been in a hospital as a patient. I'm not a good natural foods eater. I do eat sugar deserts. I don't exercise enough and am overweight but one thing I do right, even with my eating "sins" is take a lot of nutritional suppliments.

My new year's resolution: More exercise; less sugar; more jucing. By the way on exercise, I am into the idea of less is more. When I work out it is on an eliptical and I make sure I am breathing to the point that I could not have a conversation with the person next to me. That level for 10 minutes, then the backwards movement for one minute getting other leg muscles, then back to normal for two minutes; then I end with a sprint for 30 seconds. Then three minutes on the stair master. I want to see my heart rate hit the 170 level. Then on my way home I check my Blood Pressure at a local pharmacy (the only time they ever see me) and make sure... Even after a brisk cardio hit, I'm normal. My theory about that workout is that it pressures the leg muscles as well as pressing the heart to remind it that it is working for a young guy, not an old man. And the exercise pushes the lungs to make sure no atrophy is taking place. If I do live to be 85, I want to have mobility and capacity to participate in activities such as hiking etc. I can positively feel the difference with a mere once a week workout. I would like to add one or at most two more days a week but in the past... Years ago I could not really feel the qualitative difference with a four workout week versus a once a week but intensive cardio workout. I'd love some empirical info on longevity and heavy workout routine but my google searches have not really provided me with strong evidence that that amount of exercise in double blind studies confirms the theory that intense (five times weekly) workouts actually help with longevity. I have seen studies with rats relative to weight issues. That the leaner animals lived longer than fat ones. That is not the exercise question. Some one direct me to a definative study please. If I'm going to torture myself by intense exercise five days a week I'd love to really know that it is helping achieve more than the weight issue. I have seen theories that robust exercise on a heavy weekly schedule can wear out the "parts. " So am I right that less is more?

Posted by Mulaudzi (Pretoria Mamelodi East) on 05/12/2014

I have diognosed with angina 5yrs ago and is too pain full is also affect my left arm, shoulder, severe heart pain

Tabasco Sauce
Posted by Marianne (Ocean Shores, Nsw, Australia) on 12/03/2010

Please try 1 teaspoon of Cayenne Pepper in a glass of hot water with fresh Lemon juice and honey, to be perfect for heart pain. Read "Dr. Schulze and heart health" Google it. It strengthens the heart and feeds it with Vit, A, C, B. IT IS actually a very yummy drink. Marianne.

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 03/29/2010

Charlotte, Yes! Calcium is not a good idea in supplements. You can listen to David Wolfe who is an authority in nutrition and always at the cutting edge of nutritional info. His Longevity Conference just took place here in LA for the entire weekend. To hear David speak extensively on calcium and its misnomers go to youtube and plug in David Wolfe and Calcium. You will find a 7 part series of him speaking at The Raw Spirit Festival. The information is amazing. Hope you listen.

Take care, Lisa

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Tassi (Ca) on 08/20/2016


No heart pains since last posting, and all he has been getting for weeks now for heart is the potassium chloride. We have been through a lot of new travails, to cope with which I cut the ACV, all dietary measures listed above, etc. (One of these days I will do a lengthy post in the "appendicitis" listings...)

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Ben (Pennsylvania) on 12/28/2016

Hi, I have heard large doses of Vitamin E has been used for years with little to no side effects. Start at 400 and gradually work up to 1600 to 2000. Do a search. I'm no Dr.

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Patricia (Downsville, New York) on 12/31/2016 42 posts

Follow Joe Vials instructions to replace the potassium chloride deficiency for your entire life and you will be fine. It is a ton of potassium chloride that you are deficient in but the good news is that it is cheap.

EC: Important! Those with the following medical conditions should NOT take Potassium Chloride:

"Absence of Urine Formation, Myotonia Congenita, Hyporeninemic Hypoaldosteronism, Complete Heart Block, Severe Heart Block, Compression of the Esophagus, Stomach or Intestinal Ulcer, Stomach Muscle Paralysis and Decreased Function, Stomach or Intestine Blockage, Severe Renal Impairment, Severe Burn, Inflammation of the Epiglottis, Problems with Food Passing Through the Esophagus, Addison's Disease, Excess Body Acid, Acute Dehydration, High Amount of Potassium in the Blood, Familial Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis, High Amount of Chloride in the Blood"

Source:  WebMd 

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Patricia (Downsville, New York) on 01/02/2017 42 posts

I am suspicious of the reply above in response to my december 31,2016 post about to ns of potassium chloride. It is a figure of speech.

Instead of reading the article by Joe Vialls, warnings are listed of conditions that I can't even pronouce, so that no one can possibly know when this is dangerous. How can it be dangerous to take what the body needs?

Joe Vialls said that we need 3000 - 4000 mgs of potassium chloride each day and we don't get even close to that. What he did was to calculate how many mgs he was deficient from way back and determined that he had to take some 100,000 mgs plus to overcome that deficiency. I forget at what point in his replenishment his angina pain began to subside, but it cured it nevertheless.

Here is what he said: Proper scientists agree the daily potassium requirements of an average adult lie between 3,200 and 4,100 milligrams, but the average potassium intake of Americans through the food chain is only 1,500 to 2,100 milligrams per day, representing an overall average shortfall of 1,850 milligrams.

Question to Earth Clinic: How can it be that we shouldn't take this vital nutrient that our body needs 3000 mgs to 4000 mgs per day and we only get 1,500 to 2,100? You say the source Is Webmd Is Webmd fake news in some instances perhaps? That list says that unless you go to visit a doctor to eliminate all of those conditions, one should not dare take potassium chloride. Isn't that what it is saying?

Apple Cider Vinegar, Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Holly (Millersville) on 01/02/2017


You said, "warnings are listed of conditions that I can't even pronounce, so that no one can possibly know when this is dangerous. How can it be dangerous to take what the body needs?"

If you do not know or understand anything about these conditions, how can YOU question the unsuitability of potassium chloride for them?

Potassium is an electrolyte. Getting the wrong balance of any electrolyte can be dangerous and even life threatening. And it is true that those with kidney disease need to be careful about potassium intake (as well as sodium and protein.)

You also say, "How can it be dangerous to take what the body needs?"

Regulars on Earth Clinic know that everyone is different! Some here take blackstrap molasses religiously and others can't take it at all.

The dose makes the poison. Even on normal minerals and nutrients, everyone is not the same. Medical conditions, nutrition and medications can affects the body's needs. Why take offense that Earth Clinic would give a warning? People need to do their research and figure out if a remedy is appropriate for them. You can read all kinds of reader submitted side effects for practically every remedy on this site.

Black Tea
Posted by Sam (Miami, FL) on 04/01/2015

Oh dear, heart pain can have many causes. Never heard about black tea for it. Cayenne pepper, mother worth tincture, Valerian root tincture, CoQ10, D-ribose, IP6 Gold, magnesium, are BETTER choices for a healthy heart.

Lugol's Iodine
Posted by Karen (Michigan) on 07/11/2015

Can you use Lugol's Iodine if you have Hashimoto's?

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by L Trentwood (Colorado) on 07/06/2015

Putting feet on the ground means on the physical soil of the earth and not just on the floor, etc.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Vanessw (New Orleans, Louisiana) on 10/16/2015

Based on my experience, it took at least 30 minutes of taking ACV with water that the pain gradually subsided. I have not tried fish oil and putting feet on the ground though. But I am interested to research about them.

Posted by Sam (Miami, FL) on 08/11/2014

Microcirculation has been demonstrated as occupying a key position in the cardiovascular system.

While treatment of angina and hepatitis remain the most common clinical applications of salvia in modern Chinese clinical practice, the herb has been shown to have other valuable applications, based on its effects on microcirculation.

Chest Pain Remedies
Posted by Tg (Amp) on 12/05/2013

I have a pain from left upper chest area extending up thru armpit and down to elbow. Can't tell if it's muscle or circulation. What should I do.

Chest Pain Remedies
Posted by Dildar (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) on 05/11/2013

how do I cure my chest pain and lung infection? I've been stressed out.

Chest Pain Remedies
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 05/12/2013

Dildar, read up on h202 inhalations. For me it works for ANY respiratory problems, even a sore throat.

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Olaniran (Lagos, Nigeria) on 04/19/2017

I have been reading contributions, pls how do you use cayenne pepper+ginger+garlic+hawthorns? also I read cayenne drink, is it that you soak, grind or eat the raw pepper?

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Jerry (Miramar, Florida) on 12/21/2011

Dear Ted, and Anyone else out there,

I've noticed whenever I take any sort of vitamins with oils, like a very lowdose Vit. E or Flaxseed oil or Cod liver oil, (liquid) or even oil pulling, I get severe chest pains around the region of my heart, ( I've written to u before about the OP and chest pains) I just never put it together, that most or all oils cause this. Is there a way to strengthen my heart muscles, without taking these oils? Or would u happen to know why this is happening, what is causing this? When I look back I realize that I've been taking vit. E since I was a teenage off and on, now I'm in my late 30's and I still can't take these much needed beneficial oils. I do have a mitral valve prolapse, which was diagnosed about 10 yrs ago..... Thank u.. : )

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Jerry (Miramar, Fla) on 02/08/2012

Thank u Timh.

So where exactly do u get a "speaker magnet" (yeah, I'm a girl) and should I ask where u put this magnet.

Also thank u for the wealth of info... I'm trying the hawthorn, vit c, Magnesium and potassium. Lets see how that works for now... Take care. : )

Posted by La0508 (Neche, North Dakota, Usa) on 07/13/2011

I would like to point that high dose zinc apparently stops angina in its tracks, for a significant number of people. Here is a google link to a search page that will show you how this was discovered (during a trial of zinc gluconate lozenges for cold duration) and the research that followed up on it. Very interesting: dose zinc angina&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Posted by Rswuniontown (Uniontown, Oh) on 02/24/2012

My Vitamin E says Dl-alpha tocopherol acetate, supposedly the most biochemically stable form of Vitamin E. Is this a natural source or is it artificially made? Thanks!

Posted by Gavin (Manganui, Northland, New Zealand) on 02/26/2012

There is a massive amount of natural Vitamin E in grape seed oil. It can also be applied topicaly for skin conditions. It also keeps indefinitely in a dark place.

Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 12/31/2012

Lloyd, I'm with you on the less is more idea, as can be seen from many of my posts. For me, slow but steady, wins the race!

Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 12/31/2012

Hi Lloyd.... You might want to check out Dr. Mercola's website on frequency/duration of exercising. He has all kinds of info on studies they have done to prove which is the most beneficial.

Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 12/31/2012

Lloyd... I'm sorry I should have just posted the link for you to go to. Here it is:

He has articles on the right side of page in the box... all very informative.

Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 02/10/2013

Sue, you are very kind in referring me to the web site. I have already spent some time learning from Mercola.

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Charlotte (Ripley, Wv) on 03/29/2010

Does anyone know if you can take too much calicum. I have a soreness settled in my upper chest and its being going on for 5 months now. I've had all the x-rays and have found nothing. I take 1000 units of Calcium a day and vit D. I've use all the ben gays etc. Nothing seems to work. I'm trying to figure out what is causing the soreness. The only time it bothers me is at night when I turn over and I have to do it slowly and hold my chest. Hope someone can give me some advice. I already do the vinegar & Cayenne Pepper. Thanks

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lee (New York, New York) on 03/30/2010

Hi Lisa, First - thanks for the info on the h2o2. Do you just use it when your sinuses are blocked, or do you use it preventatively?

I just watched the You Tube videos of David Wolfe. Wow. I agree - most informative. It's kind of an interesting dilemma. There is so much information out there and I sometimes find it difficult to decide which path to take (and still have a somewhat "normal" life) without totally changing my lifestyle, social life, family dining, etc. The whole subject intrigues me and I have been studying for years - yet I must admit that I still enjoy a great meal in a great restaurant (not entirely raw.) I've decided that incorporating as much raw food as possible is still the best way to go - even if it is not perfection. Have you found any good sources of superfoods? Thanks so much for all of your helpful comments. Lee

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 03/31/2010

Hi Lee,

I'm so glad you took the time to watch David Wolfe- he is a very informed person with cutting edge info and close to many of the pioneers of changing the way we see food and how it can change our body/life. I try not to create any rules/laws/isms for myself as I've done that in the past in my life. This time I told myself I would totally tune into my body and listen. I know how it can be difficult as so many people live differently and we want to be social. I have to say the holidays were truly a challenge. Sometimes, we had 3 different meals on the table! I "chose" to eat a small piece of turkey on Thanksgiving but honestly I found I didn't really want that. At Christmas, I ate all the veggies and had a very small piece of prime rib and again did not find it that appealing.

Since the holidays, we have mostly eaten raw and since we're here in LA there are plenty of fantastic raw restaurants to enjoy. We have tried some of our favorite old standby restaurants that we used to frequent but, since changing our eating habits/ lifestyles neither my husband or I felt they were very good anymore and let them go. We find the raw foods more vibrant, you feel very alive and energized rather than that heavy feeling after eating a "gourmet meal". And let me tell you, we were quite gourmet in our cooking having spent a lot of time studying all the top chefs and their recipes! So, it was a radical change for us but one we now welcome because the benefits of how we feel are so different and much improved for both of us. And yes, my conclusion is eat as much raw as possible and maybe you can't do it for a bit- don't beat yourself up about it! Just start again. We juice every morning and that really charges us up. BTW, you are in one of my all time favorite cities. I lived there in the 70's and love visiting there! Are you aware that there are some amazing raw food restaurants there and have you tried any? Pure Food and Wine is highly praised! If you try it, let me know what you think!

As for superfoods, check out the company Ultimate. They are very reasonably priced with very high quality products. Check them out. You may be able to find them in your Whole Foods there in NYC. We have them in ours but a limited choice. Also, has a lot of very good products on their site and the owner, Matt Monarch is a very informed and critical guy. Hope this info helps.

Peace, Lisa

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lee (New York, New York) on 03/31/2010

Hi Lisa,

It does sound like we are on the same track. I have been to a few raw food restaurants in the city and have a gift certificate to Pure Food, which my son and daughter in law gave me for Christmas. I'm waiting to use it until the weather gets nicer because I'd like to sit in their outdoor garden. I'll let you know how it is but - my daughter in law is also very interested in raw foods and she has prepared many dishes from their cookbook - and she raves.

Thanks for the info on the superfoods - I'll start investigating. It's fun to read the postings of so many kindred spirits.
Oh - I have another question for you. Do you grow wheatgrass? I know you are interested in Brian Clement - if so, do you purchase supplies from his website? Thanks - Lee

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 03/31/2010

Hi Lee,

That's fun that you have a gift certificate to Pure Food. They have pics of the patio in their raw books and on their site and it looks great! One day I'll get to go there. I have used their books too and love them. When I first got one of their books I was so excited and enthusiastic about what I was discovering that I wrote Sarma Mengailis, the owner and was thrilled to see that she wrote me back a really great email. She's very funny.

As for wheatgrass, no I don't grow it because my juicer won't do wheatgrass. I do a lot of sprouting though because of Brian Clement's advice. Right now I'm sprouting quinoa and it's delicious! It's my new favorite. Also, I haven't purchased anything from his site. Since you live in NYC you'll understand this- we can find anything here in LA and reasonably-priced as well. So for instance, I recommended Ultimate brand because it is high quality and reasonable but I can find it in our local health food stores for the same price pretty much. Often, I'm the kind of person who wants it, and wants it now. Donna Gates has amazing products products on her site but I can find them in our health food stores which I'm sure could be hard to find in lots of parts of the country. If you haven't listened to her or gone on her site, that's a must if all of this interests you. She highly recommends quinoa.

I know what you mean about finding kindred spirits. We now have a monthly raw food fest here in LA and the place is packed with them! I have found a couple of them here on EC and we now email each other on a regular basis sharing ideas and encouragement. It's been fantastic.

One thing I want to add in regards to wheatgrass and Brian's site. One of my "email pals" went to his site so excited after I sent her links to all his video. She immediately ordered the hand-cranked wheatgrass juicer and is growing her own wheatgrass successfully. Anyway, she had me howling because of her description of her husband and herself juicing with this thing. She said it takes her 20 minutes to get the smallest amount of juice and she's in a full sweat and completely worked out by the time shes's done. At first I was envious about her getting a wheatgrass juicer since I go buy a shot every couple days but her response to me was, "Somehow I think paying for your wheatgrass juice is worth it after this!"

I wish you the best on this journey! Lisa

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lee (New York, New York) on 04/01/2010

Hi Lisa, Your friend's experience is exactly why I asked if you had ordered anything from Brian's site. The instructions indicate that the juicer could require a bit of work and that was a red flag for me. My juicer will not work with wheat grass either, and I was tempted to order this one. Thanks so much for the head's up. Maybe I'll give quinoa a try.

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 04/01/2010

Hi Lee,

Well then, I'm glad I added that in because it was a second thought after I read my "preview" before submitting. Thank goodness, we spared you the expense and toil! Take care, Lisa

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Charlotte (Wimborne, Dorset, England) on 04/12/2010

You can take too much if you take it without magnesium, and its other companion minerals, as is often the case with calcium supplements. Also, if you don't drink enough water, calcium can go out of solution and form stones. Dolomite and garden fertilizer (not human or medical) grade Epsom salts are goods sources of magnesium, dolomite will also supply calcium.

Supplements Causing Chest Pain
Posted by Sr (Las Vegas, Nv) on 04/27/2010

calcium: I've had that problem before, when I first started high dosing calcium per doctor recommendation. Doc told me to do 1000-1500mg and I immediately got the chest pain you refer to. The pain also radiated to my back. I was able to eliminate the pain fully, by taking no more than 400mg at a time. My regime of calcium has been successful since doing such. I take about 400mg, 4x daily. I've been on calcium for 10yrs est. am 44yr old female. Hope that works for you!

Posted by John (Arlington, TX) on 06/13/2009

Laura from Seatle WA gave a list of supplements for angina; how long did her husband take the dosage before going on the maintenance dosage. How much was the maintanance dose?

Posted by Laura (Seattle, Washington) on 11/19/2009

Response to John from Arlington:

Answer: My husband stayed on the original list of supplements until he felt fine running 2 miles which wound up being for about 4 months.

His daily maintenance program is:
L-Lysine and L-Proline, same dose as previous, but AM only

Oral Chelation the same as previous AM and PM

Cal-Mag the same as previous AM and PM

1000 "Buffered" vitamin C AM and PM

he no longer takes the vitamin e

Posted by Tina (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/26/2010

What oral chelation pills did you use? There are so many types out there, there is liquid which I found give great heartburn, and so many making claims. Which brand did you use?
Thanks for any wisdom here.

Posted by Laura (Seattle, Wa) on 04/23/2012

Update on my husband, who now runs 4 miles, 3 days a week, and only takes a multi vitamin, and Oral Chelation. I'm not sure the brand but it is EDTA, and comes in a big purple bottle that can be bought from Vitamin Shoppe or Super Supplements. He did stop his oral chelation for about 6 months, but noticed a big difference and started up again.

Posted by javier m (fl) on 12/25/2021

Hello, can someone please list the name of good oral chelation supplememts since this post was written in 2009? I am in a similae situation.

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Kathy (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) on 04/23/2012

Can you please tell me how much cayenne is in your tablets? I made my own pure cayenne tablets and my stomach would hurt after taking them. That left me not too keen...

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Matt (Wisconsin) on 08/29/2006

Once a person is having chest pains, the partial occlusion or complete occlusion of the coronary arteries is permanent. No dietary supplement will fix this though they may help prevent these plaques from forming in the future.

Cayenne Pepper
Posted by Dave (Massillon, Ohio) on 05/30/2016


If it is as you say, there is no more pain. Than as a small test go for either a long walk, or a short jog to see how it goes. No pain, than you're probably right.

That is how I tell if I'm improving. For me at this point, just starting the Cayenne Pepper, it would be a short walk of about 200 yards... lol that's all I'd need to know I'm getting better.

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