Apple Cider Vinegar for Basal Cell Carcinoma

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Posted by Mike (Durham, NC) on 04/09/2009
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I have had basal cell 4 times. I had surgical removal for two. That was the pits I assure you and left scars and was expensive. So the next time, I simply applied applecider vinegar full strength about 5 times per day until the basal cell spot scabbed over pretty good. For me, it took about 5 weeks. I simply dabbed some on the basal cell with my finger by wetting my finger tips and then dabbing some of the applecider vinegar liberally and directly to the basal cell site. It might sting just a little tiny bit. Leave it alone and let it dry naturally. Do the applecider vinegar about 5 times per day until the basal cell will scab over pretty good. It will start to appear as a whitish grainy looking scab and will be hard to the touch. The spot might just turn a purplish and not scab and that is OK also. It will not hurt. Then I left it alone for about two weeks and then I started to apply 3 percent hydrogen peroxide to the scab about 5 times per day at first and then decreased down to once a day until the scar was gone. I simply applied the peroxide with my fingers liberally to be sure the scab was totally wet. And they are gone and have not returned in over a year. The basal cell is totally healed and not noticeable at all.

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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 09/15/2016

Barbara, it's grown way too big for you to handle alone IMHO.

Either let them cut, or go to a reputable naturopath who has experience wih BCCs.

You might ask the naturopath about petty spurge (which hurts and gets worse at first) and chaga, but again, sounds too scary to go it alone at this point.


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Posted by Sandi (Midwest) on 12/13/2018

I have a pretty large BCC on my back that I am scheduled to have the Mohs procedure for in about 2.5 weeks. Should I try the ACV for a couple of weeks before going in? My back has just finally started to heal from the biopsy but I would really like to try to heal naturally first, I think. Any advice is appreciated!


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Posted by Rose (Florida) on 06/12/2017

Margeaux~ I am currently treating 2 spots on my shoulder with a combination of ACV and baking soda mixed with coconut oil. They both look lighter and less "angry" than they did a week ago. I treated similar spots on my other shoulder last year and both went away completely. Even though I have very fair skin, I haven't used commercial sunscreens in years due to all the chemicals in them. I also haven't used conventional make-up in years for the same reason. For moisturizer, I use either coconut oil, or a raw, organic aloe vera gel. I hope this helps! Good luck with however you decide to treat your BCC.


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Posted by Rose (Florida) on 06/26/2017

Hi Margeaux~

I understand what you mean about feeling lonely. There are very few people I can talk to about this because most don't understand why I wouldn't want to go see a doctor. I'm beginning to wonder if what I have isn't SCC instead of BCC and I've started reading up on that also. And, the more I read, the more worried I become. Apparently, the SCC is a more aggressive type of skin cancer and can spread to nearby lymph nodes. The 2 largest spots I have are near my underarm. I may start searching for a holistic health practitioner. Wishing you luck with your treatments. Keep in touch and let me know how things work out.

~Rose


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/02/2017

Rose,

That's great that you were able to share it with your sister.

This is some kind of experience isn't it? I know exactly what you're going through, warning your sister, then asking her not to tell your mom. I too have been very selective, as to whom it feels safe sharing this info. with. It could appear based on people's reactions, that we almost have to accommodate their feelings about a cancer condition since it freaks them out.

If she is into oils, this could mean that she will be supportive if you take the natural route. Frankinscense oil is wonderful. I think I'm going to start drinking the ACV, as I understand it alkalinizes the system.

I have been dabbing my spot with ACV, just a little bit, then applying coconut oil. It's rather interesting because I've noticed that it looks as if a skin covering has formed over the area. Don't want to mess too much with it for now, but keep applying the coconut oil, since it is anti-bacterial. It does sting some, so think it could be still healing from the biopsy.

Thanks so much for the prayers!

Margeaux


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Posted by Anastasia (Phoenix, Arizona) on 08/12/2017

Hi Robert and thanks for your "shoot from the hip" response. I have actually been very curious about Curaderm and don't know anyone who has ever used it. My insurance will pay in entirety for surgically removing these cancers. That isn't a problem. The problem is I don't want to undergo the knife again. Period! Have you had any experience with Baking Soda and Coconut Oil as I have read many many testimonials from others who have had great success and swear by it. I do think I will order some Curaderm for any future lesions so that I can nip them in the bud. Thanks very much for your response. Very much appreciated.

And hey....picking up cans isn't a bad idea to get exercise. I'll have to pass that idea along! Haha
Cheers, Anastasia

P.S. Oh Robert...just one more thing. You say you have done everything but Curaderm is the only way. Does that mean that none of the other ways were successful?


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/12/2017

Anastasia,

I was wondering, do you wash the BCC/SCC with water and soap between your natural remedy applications? Reason I ask, is that when I was washing with water only, between my remedies.....the drying of the area was painful. It would become tight. What kind of soap do you use, if you don't mind me asking?

The derm was rather overzealous with the biopsy, so I have sensitivity there.

I have read other people posts about the tentacles.

What do they look like, and what color are they? I'd like to know what I'm looking for, so I know that all of it is coming o

Thank you for your other post, it was very detailed and informative.

Here's to our Healing!

Margeaux


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Posted by Anastasia (Phoenix, Arizona) on 08/14/2017

Dear Margeaux,

This is the very latest update. My other replies to you have not been published yet but I wanted to let you know the latest development.
This morning when I woke up there was a yellowish scab on my spot I have been treating. I did mention that I am now only putting Neosporin on it and have discontinued the baking soda/coco oil salve for now. I wondered if it was getting infected because of the color of the scab. As the day wore on the scab seemed to soften and get a bit larger. I left it alone until bedtime and when I washed my face, even though I was very careful, the scab came off. Under it was pink skin and a couple of very small (teeny) places that were bleeding. But not a lot. Only slightly. I rinsed them off with cold water until the bleeding stopped and patted dry with a kleenex and applied Neosporin. Looking at the spot with a magnifying glass I could tell it was very much smaller than before I began to treat it. And it is evening up in color and beginning to match the healthy skin around it. There isn't a hole in my face or anything like that. Before I started treating it I would estimate that the cancerous spot was about half the size of an english pea. It had a larger scab on it that would come off and bleed profusely and then scab over and the process repeated itself over and over.

This is not at all like that. This is like normal healing of a small wound. Also, I wanted to tell you that after reading Robert's latest post and thinking about your BCC on or near your lip, you might want to consider the Curaderm he says works so well. I do know that eggplant is supposed to be highly effective and this product is made from the eggplant. I wouldn't want you to experiment with your BCC and make it worse. I wouldn't have the surgery either after what you told me the surgeon said and with my first hand knowledge of MOHs surgery and how they just cut cut cut until they think they have it all. I will continue to keep you updated daily because I really want to help you as much as I can, with my limited knowledge. I do know the Aldara works. For sure. You might ask your Dermatologist about it and while you're at it ask him why he/she didn't tell you about it. But at any rate, I am not confident enough at this point to tell you that you should start the Baking Soda/Coconut Oil treatment. If this doesn't work for me I am going to try the Curaderm. At least that's my plan for now. I hate having this on my face and want it gone permanently and as soon as possible. Surgery is the quickest way but the scary thing is not knowing how much they will have to remove to get it all. I hate MOHs surgery. These doctors know there are other ways to kill the cancer without this highly invasive and expensive (thousands of dollars) surgery. Cancer is big business. I have become so distrustful of the medical profession and big pharma. Anyway, before I went to bed tonight I wanted to make sure I let you know my latest thoughts and the latest on my BCC I am treating.

I know that you have already begun a treatment with ACV and it may work for you. I hope whatever you are doing will help you heal completely.

More later.... God Bless

Anastasia


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Posted by Anastasia (Phoenix, Arizona) on 08/15/2017

Hello dear Margeaux!

Your responses are always such a delight. We both share the same enthusiasm for allopathic medicine. I do love your sense of humour. I think you should wear the emoji happy face round bandaids to your event. You would be a hit! Remember when we were kids and loved to wear bandaids and casts? LOL My how vain we become as we get older.

Your story about the burn was interesting to me because burns have been known to heal psychologically. The body wants to be in a perfect state of health. It wants to heal itself if we would only let it.

My friend whose hubby is a medical doctor who practices natural medicine says that cancer is a fungus that feeds on sugar. She stays away from ALL sugar. It can't survive without sugar. You would think these doctors would tell us this but noooo....they wouldn't make any money if we knew that. Well, in all fairness to the practitioners I don't think they are taught this in med school and the pharm salespersons tell them what medicines they should push. Most doctors know very little about the prescriptions they write. They get kickbacks from many of them, especially the cancer drugs and anti-depressants. It's unbelievable what's going on in our medical industry...all the way around. Naturpaths are being murdered. Scary times.

But all conspiracies aside, we must continue to do what we can for ourselves and forums like this are a great place to share and learn. I think that being as honest as we can and as detailed as possible about what we are experiencing is the best way we can help one another. We are guinea pigs in a way. Squeak!!! :)

Here is my latest update:

As you know, I stopped applying the baking soda/coconut oil salve mix several days ago and began applying only polysporin at bedtime and a couple of time throughout the day just to keep it moist and protected. I have been wearing NO makeup to make sure I don't get any in the wound and avoid infection. It was pretty sore for a few days even when I felt it was healing nicely. I eased up on how rigorously I washed it after it bled a tad that one night. It has formed a small little scab which I have been careful not to disturb. It is very very very much smaller than the original BCC. The scab is about the size of a BB (the Red Ryder gun type of BB lol) Only it is flat and not round. And it isn't angry looking. The area around that was very irritated from the baking soda has peeled slightly and looks normal again. I am feeling hopeful again that this might have worked. My hubby thinks I should have treated it longer than three weeks but then he's not a female and it isn't on his face. lol He does think it looks like it might have worked however. He looks at it with a bright flashlight through a magnifying glass and gives me his analysis, describing in detail to me what he sees and perceives it to mean. He believes it is healing. So do I, with reservations.

Today I am going to begin putting ACV on it followed by coconut oil to speed up the healing process and help the skin to rejuvenate itself. I don't know exactly why I am going to do this but it feels right. I will still apply the neosporin at bedtime.

Thank you so much for your terrific reply. Yes, we do need to keep our sense of humour. Very important. God help us if we should ever lose that.

Cheers my new friend. God bless you in your healing.

I very much look forward to your next response.

Anastasia

PS...Robert if you are reading this...I'm still ordering the Curaderm. :)


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/17/2017

Margeaux, I'm not well versed in the differences. But I do know that the tincture stings. Probably the alcohol. I'm now doing Lugols on a suspicious little bump. It does cause an itch. But since my motto is "low and slow", I wait a few days for the itch to subside before I put more Lugols. During those days I calm it with coconut oil or olive.


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Posted by Anastasia (Phoenix, Arizona) on 08/20/2017

Margeaux,

There you are! I have been hoping to see you today. More good news. The remaining little piece of scab from my BCC vanished sometime yesterday and without bleeding. The skin where the BCC was in now smooth and pink but appears to have healed over without any kind of scab. There is a slight indenture but not much at all. I keep thinking it's gone. It really did work. It's gone. But then my subconscious keeps remembering that ONLY doctors and MOHs surgery can get rid of these things. I am SO programmed to allopathic remedies. Just as they want me to be. I must de-program myself so that I believe in myself and my own abilities to heal myself. I know the body wants to be in a perfect state of health. When I think back, it's the doctors who have caused me to be in such a vulnerable state to begin with. If the derm hadn't given me radiation for my acne when I was a teenager I wouldn't be so susceptible to skin cancer now. I remember that doctor so well. His name was Dr. Lemke and I went to school with his daughter. She was basically bald. A lovely young girl whose looks and confidence was basically destroyed by what had happened to her hair. I recall a conversation with her once about it and she said that she had ringworms on her head. I fear that her father gave her radiation to treat them and that's why her hair was gone. Only a few wisps here and there. It was so sad. All this 'power' over our bodies in the hands of mere 'men' who consider themselves Gods! Oh dear...forgive me for being so cynical this day but it really does get my adrenaline going when I think of all the things we (especially us women) have been put through. I don't think they do things like this to men very often. Or young boys. And for sure no man would ever get a mammogram. I once told my male doctor I would get a mammogram when he had his you know what squeezed by one of those things. He stopped asking me to get them after that. I believe they cause cancer. That kind of trauma is not natural. One day it will be outlawed and will be looked back on as one of the more barbaric things that women were subjected to.

But on to my 'today's update' on my BCC -

I do think it's gone now. I am going to begin a new treatment on it to help prevent it from leaving a scar. At present it is only that somewhat dark pink color that remains once a scab has fallen off a wound, much like one from a burn. I am going to rub Mederma scar gel on it each night to help it return to it's natural state as much as possible. I am so grateful to this site and to you for your help and knowledge and encouragement. It does itch slightly from time to time and hubby, who is very smart, tells me he thinks it might still be healing from the inside. It did have something come out of it, something with a tenticle or root or core. Whatever it is called. And so I suppose it would be natural for it to need to heal there as well.

I wanted to keep you informed and to let you know of my success to encourage you as well. What state is your BCC in at present? Are you still using the iodine and if so what else are you doing? I pray you will be successful.

Cheers and God Bless,

Anastasia


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/20/2017

Mmsg,

Good morning, well it's morning here where I live.

I was reading about iodine. Many do contain more alcohol, and it seemed as if Lugols doesn't contain as much. Thank so much for pointing that out. I'll let you know what is happening once I start to use it. I really have high hopes, since it worked so well for my burn years ago.

Happy Sunday Mmsg!

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/22/2017

Anastasia,

How are you? Isn't it interesting the healing stages? I remember that with the burn I wrote about.

It is said that when you have a bruise, cut thats healing, it will itch, and thats definitely a sign it is still healing. So your husband is on to something here.

That is so true what you told your doctor about mammograms. Bold statement to him might I add. You are not being cynical. We who question these tests and who are bold enough to speak up against them are subject to criticism don't forget.

My husband has been on statin drugs for a very long time for cholesterol. He's of the belief that doctors care is thee only way. He eats lots of cheese, and is a big sugar fanatic. I try to keep or diet on the clean side, but I'm never going to become some hovering wife about what he should avoid if he wants to keep the cholesterol in check. Well, recently, he went to an appointment and decided he wanted to go off the statins. He feels he's getting some muscle weakness at times, sometimes a side effect of statins. He's not a fan of any kind of exercise, I do most of the physical housework. So you see now he's been two weeks off statins, w/o putting in his own effort changing some lifestyle habits. We'll see. Its about being proactive, if we don't want to go down the usual route.

That also takes more committment!

Your BCC is really healing!

We are programmed into constant self doubt! WHY?

Because there's a mob out there (not only medical community) that would have one think there's only one way to go when it comes to our health!

My BCC has been going through some changes. As I told you that last week I just had a bandaid, didn't do as much treatment since I was at the conference. Now that its over I'll be treating it once more. I think though, now I'm going to start the iodine, haven't started that treatment as of yet.

After the biopsy, mine was left with a pit. The derm was rather overzealous. Mine is very dark, (almost blue/black) in color. I have many moles, they are of this color. But since treatments w/ACV and coconut oil, it has lightened up, but still needs a way to go, if you know what I mean. As we know this is by no means something that disappears in a matter of weeks.

I certainly hope though that yours is finally gone! Just keep an eye on it. Thank you so much for your concern and helpful info., also Anastasia. Please keep us posted.

Much Love & plenty of Light,

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 09/10/2017

Anastasia,

Are you still visiting this thread by any chance? I was wondering how your BCC is now. Sure hope it finally went away!

Well I feel as if I have hit somewhat of a brick wall with mine. I have still been alternating ACV and coconut oil. But remember I had taken a week off. It scabbed over. When I started reapplying treatments, it doesn't draw as much out as it once did.

It is still there, as I can see it but appears to be deeper in layers of the skin. I have felt frustrated and bummed by this!! Oh well....maybe time to try the iodine, haven't tried that yet.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/01/2017

Hi Rob,

It does sound very strange that the use of vaseline would be recommended to you. I've read doing some searches that people are told to use vaseline, to keep the area moist and preventing it from drying up. But vaseline is petroleum. Then bandaids have plastic in them, so one can understand someone such as yourself becoming allergic. I believe that the coconut oil would be safe. Its antibacterial/antifungal, no added chemicals. I've been using it on my BCC for last few months, and have had no problems concerning itching. Possibly try a little and if it doesn't cause a reaction, then you can apply more as needed.

Margeaux


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Posted by Your Dermatologist (Orlando) on 10/26/2016

FYI, I can tell you based on the photo that is not even a skin cancer. That is a seborrheic Keratosis. That is a benign lesion. None of these remedies actually work on cancer. You should not be diagnosing lesions on your face if you do not have medical training.


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Posted by Htownfarmer (Houston, Texas) on 07/04/2017 9 posts

Just wanted to add, there are chemo creams available. the one I have does work. but $$$$ out of pocket.

I only use my $200+ US for 4oz tube. I use this in areas that is hard to treat with my homemade pastes.

I have used ACV + baking soda + C. oil. other items and times are bentonite clay, paint with lugol's iodine, turmeric.

There is pain with using these items, and it takes time. one must inspect ones body for new flares-ups.

Is it a bug bite or a BBC? It's an everyday chore.

I have many dermatologists cut chunks of flesh from my body. I am covered with pre-cancers. cut in one spot and more will show next to the removed flesh.

I fight skin problems externally and internally.

Thanks Earth Clinic


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/07/2017

Htownfarmer,

Do you find that using the Bentonite clay and iodine help? Before I knew what was on my face, I used Bentonite which seemed to make this mole problem area a bit more prominent.

Iodine is great! I once used it to treat an oil burn, (3'd degree) I got in a campsite. It healed very nicely, I couldn't believe it! This fact, encourages me to use the natural protocol.

Do the Lugols and turmeric stain your face? If it works, it's o.k.

Thanks,

Margeaux


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Posted by Kristen (Ca) on 10/15/2017

I'm sorry, Dr., you are mistaken. I had a 2 millimeter basal cell in my cheek that was biopsied to confirm it was Basal cell, they recommended it to be cut out and I used Apple Cider Vinegar on it for 4 days and it just went away, that was 5 years ago, this was the type of Basal that did not have tentacles. I now find another spot that is larger in another location, so I am back to reading about other's experiences.


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 10/17/2017

Margeaux, read up on the petty spurge plant. If I do apply it's sap, leave plenty of healing time before applying a second time if needed. If it's a "live" bcc, the petty spurge will make it red and angry for a few hours or even days.


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 10/20/2017

Margeaux, I never measured vitamin c. Just dabbed a wet finger in the crystals and applied. But that was too painful so I switched to petty spurge sap. It inflamed it more so I gave in and had it cut out. I didn't know then that with petty spurge it looks worse before it gets better. Also, I was applying often and I now learned that once a week or less is best.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/22/2017

Mmsg,

Yes, well I guess whatever surgery one has even if it's not Mohs, there is bound to be a certain amount of scarring. This made me laugh Mmsg, and not in a mean way at all, only because I related when you said you've told yourself the scar "makes me look like a toughy." When I was still under the spell of the opinion of the derm w/Moh's, I thought the very same thing, knowing full well that I was going to have a scar. Also since some very nosy people kept asking what that was on my face! Thank you for answering this.

So again this BCC has basically become stubborn on me. Still there and obviously there's a need to go deeper into the layers of the skin. My usual protocol seems not to be as productive, ACV and coconut oil for now.

I still have yet to give the vitamin c crystals more time. I was re-reading posts, and may just try doing a Bentonite clay mask. I did this about a year ago when this thing was at a smaller stage. I must say, it did bring it more to surface of the skin or made it more prominent, which to me is proof that the clay draws it out.

Yes I've noticed that Robert hasn't posted, hope he is well.

Thank you again for sharing some good information!

Much Love & Light,

Margeaux


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Posted by Manu (Sofia) on 07/06/2016
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Working. With only Acv and aloe vera with vit E .


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Posted by Stephanie (Mn) on 07/22/2016

In reply to Debbie in San Diego.

Debbie, my heart goes out to you but I believe there is HOPE...and not just hope. Here is a website with a video showing the daily progress of BCC during the process of using BEC5 cream: https://www.antiaging-systems.com/23-bec5-curaderm?Aff=WRC1. It is very helpful to see how the cancer expands and looks terrible for a while and then as it heals, the skin goes totally back to normal. I did see another video, also, where a woman also gave a daily record and after it seemed to heal, the area broke open a bit more and the process continued. Apparently, the cancer can snake around under the skin and you may have to continue longer than expected. In one video, a nose was eaten away and looked very disturbing but after the cancer was entirely gone, the nose grew beautifully back to its original condition. There is a lot of information and many videos and so forth in regard to this BEC5. It has very positive results consistently. I recently had to restart a curing protocol on my 92-year old husband who had BCC under his eye. I spoke to the doctor and told him about the Curaderm BEC5 cream. He immediately took an interest, went to his computer and looked it up. He was happy to see that clinical trials had been done and was very positive about giving me the go - ahead. BCC grows pretty slowly so you can take some time to research this cure. The best of luck to you.


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Posted by Peter (Australia) on 04/30/2017

I have just had 6 lesions on my torso, arm and leg diagnosed as BCC by a dermatologist, the worst one being confirmed by biopsy. 3 were treated immediately by liquid nitrogen spray, the other ones the dermo wanted to book for surgery and plastic surgery. I'm going back to my GP to see if I can convince them to blast the others with nitrogen as well. The gas is made in a fairly clean manner, in fact it's a by product of other processes, so I reckon it should be included in natural remedies.

I searched for natural remedies and found this site and all its excellent information. An observation though made by my 14 yr old son who was reading over my shoulder. Neither baking soda nor peroxide are natural products. Once upon a time you could find natural sources of sodium hydroxide, but that was exhausted decades ago.

We have spent decades replacing factory products with natural products, and the only food in our vegetarian/vegan home (we have some of each) is certified biodynamic or organic. And not just any organic product, the vast majority of organic products are just mostly organic. We operate a co-op which only stocks and sells fully organic products. Have a look at the organic standards for "approved additives" and you'll see there's not much that can't be added to organic products. And 100% percent certified does not mean all the ingredients are organic either. Buggered if I know what it means, but start turning over labels on organic food and read what's actually in it.

Anyway, if you're looking for a natural cure with full scientific back up then I reckon liquid nitrogen which simply freezes the cancer cells is a good way to go. The cancer council of australia has an excellent pdf for free on their site which is a guide to practitioners for BCC's and Bowens, and which goes in to great detail in terms of treatment.


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Posted by Chi (Us) on 11/01/2015

Thank you big time for this!


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Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 06/30/2017

Dan,

If this were me, Id be trying a variety of ointments and remedies. First, I'd try echinacea. My favorite is the brand made under Vitamin Shoppe label. It is dark and think. Apply once and let dry. Then again and let dry and again and let dry. I learned the wonders of echinacea from a book on line written around 1910 by an MD from Texas. After using the repeated drying method, a day later do the same protocol. And again a day later. This is repeated for a week. If you see improvement keep it up.

Next, if that didn't work I'd try the Bentonite Clay method. Make a paste with water and apply thickly. Let dry and stay on area for a full two hours. Repeat the next day...etc. like the use of echinacea discussed above. If in a week it is improved, keep it up.

Next if that didn't work, I'd try continuous applications of colloidal silver and alternate with olive tree extract. The ote might burn a bit so I'd let up if it starts to feel burning. I'd repeat application if improved.

Of course, the ACV...same thing as above.


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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 06/30/2017

HI U DAN,,,,,,,,,, surprised that you have not used Curaderm. I have used this cream for quite a few years. I also use a dermatologist whenever I get spooked. In your case, I suggest the natural egg plant compound. It leaves no scar.

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Posted by Adrienne (Idaho) on 08/24/2015

Wow! Very good! And thanks for the step by step description.


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Posted by Michelle Tyndale (Yardley, Pa) on 03/22/2015

I am using the homemade version of the BEC 5 cream as mentioned above. I've been at this for about three weeks. I have basal cell cancer on my nose and my dermatologist recommended MOHS surgery. I am only 42 years young and just want to try something natural before getting my face cut. I've been documenting this process and if it's successful, I will post pictures to follow.

The recipe is hard to find online but it's basically one medium size eggplant and organic, unfiltered apple cider vinegar. You pulverize the eggplant and mix it together with the apple cider vinegar. You want it to be a thick consistency if possible just so that it stays on better. Prior to using this, I tried Dr. Christophers black salve. That was working, just really slow going. Thanks for your posts, especially the ones on plain apple cider vinegar. It helps if you have a community to reach out to!


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Posted by Anon (Anon) on 10/19/2019

Hi Tami!

I had a brown "liver" spot on the back of my hand that was gone in three days using a combination of natural things which i cannot recall with certainty. I scrubbed it with baking soda to exfoliate the surface, applied 3% peroxide, lemon juice, cleaned it with isopropyl, and finally rubbed in some homemade horseradish as far as i recall. I saw that the more i scrubbed at it with the horseradish the lighter it got. It turned from dark brown to light purple and puffed up as i scrubbed at it. Without any more treatment it was nearly gone within minutes, and by day three completely gone. My point being strange side effects may happen. I have used acv to remove moles with success within days without any damage to the surrounding skin. It is not likely, I think, that the ACV is causing any damage to the healthy skin. Probably the black color is a good sign, especially if you have a dark complexion to begin with. Did you mean the carcinoma was healing when you said it was clearing up? If it gets too scarey you might sooth it with some fresh aloe gel until you can discern what is happening.


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Posted by Deborah (Hawaii) on 05/10/2021

I just had a Moh's surgery on my forehead, followed by plastic surgery to close the hole. It's taking its time to heal, and I wish I had used an alternative to the surgery. In other words, if I were you, yes!, I would try the alternative routes with a passion. Surgery is no fun and traumatic as well. I know this is on your back, so not as bad, but in my humble opinion, if you can try to heal yourself with Mother Nature's help, then go for it!


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Posted by Wendi (Austin, Tx) on 09/21/2018

Your sore on your ear could be linked to processed coffee or coffee beans! I found that I need to use the best organic coffee beans to prevent bleeding sores on my ears disappear. Starbucks and all non coffees are processed with so many chemicals. Solved my bleeding ear.


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/29/2018

Peter, sounds like it's dying. Which, of course, is good.


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Posted by Caroline Y. (Sydney, Australia) on 02/10/2018
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I have been putting this apple cider vinegar treatment on my nose skin with bcc for a few weeks and it is working. You have to be patient with it but I didn't know that apple cider vinegar was a natural treatment. I went to two demerlogist and none of treatment worked but I do have go to one soon because I am worry it might be a SCC so what your advice.

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Posted by Gary R. (Upland, California) on 05/29/2018

Hi Caroline,

If you are concerned with a lesion 'maybe being SCC', your first step has to be a visit to the dermatologist and get a sample of the tissue. See what the pathology report comes back with and go from there. I would NEVER suggest untested topical treatments for SCC because of its natural tendency to spread and even metastasize if not treated in a timely manner. Surgical removal will likely be your best plan if it does turn out to be an SCC but with the use of the 'Moh's microsurgical mapping' technique the surgeons can minimize the amount of area they need to remove. You want to get a biopsy as soon as possible though! Good luck.


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Posted by Kathy (Los Angeles, Ca) on 05/22/2017

Hi Zoey, I hope you have continued success with being rid of your BCC. I had it on my temple area about 5 yrs ago. My Dermatologist removed it surgically in her office- and the lab showed clean margins. It returned about 4 years later and I ended up having Mohs surgery last June. While it was not a fun process taking care of the wound site for almost 2 months after the surgery, it healed so unbelievably well it barely shows - so I can't imagine what pictures of Moh's surgery holes you saw on the internet. Perhaps they were right after surgery before they had time to heal or may end the BCC was very extensive.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/14/2017

Rose,

Thanks so much for your advice. Yes, since I posted that day, which was when I got the news, I've been doing a lot of research about BCC. I understand that the coconut oil and baking soda is another way one can go as far a natural treatment. It took me a whole week to feel the fear, and face it anyway. Today I started the ACV, actually I have a wet cotton right over the area as I type.

Anyway, sending good vibes to you and anyone who needs some of that too.

Margeaux


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Posted by Rose (Fl) on 06/22/2017

Hi Margeaux~

Yes, both the ACV and baking soda do sting a bit, but I figure that's telling me it's working. My treatment seems to be going well, thank you for asking. I did have bleeding a few times as well. Again, I see that as a good sign. These spots seem to be taking longer to heal than last time, but it may be due to my less-than-ideal diet at the moment. I have a lot of other stress in my life right now, and I haven't been eating very well because of it. I'm trying to decrease my sugar intake, but that's easier said than done! I don't know about time to wait after the biopsy, but you could try just raw organic coconut oil at first. I figure if you can eat it, it can't hurt! Good luck with your treatment.

~Rose


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/23/2017

Hi Rose,

Thank you so much for the reply. I was beginning to feel lonely on this thread, but realize that some posts are rather old, possibly some people just want to move on, understandable.

Good to hear that your treatment is going well. Oh....the sugar, yes I'm there also! I'm trying hard to cut down on that, and yes diet is important.

So it's now day three post biopsy. I've felt a bit of discomfort, and a bit of bleeding, not too bad. I still have the band aid over it, but today I'm going to remove and try applying possibly the coconut oil, as it is antibacterial. I'd also thought of polysporin.

Thanks for the suggestion, really appreciated.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/27/2017

Rose,

Good to hear from you again! So have you been experiencing some of that also, not being able to talk to people about it?

Many people just don't understand especially if they haven't had this experience. Feeling the reluctance to go get it checked, and people not understanding this aspect. I went through some of this also. Here I went first to my GP. She photographed it, said it looked like blackheads, and it did. I never heard back from her, this is when it was smaller. Later it grew just a bit. So you can't imagine how many people, even people I barely know would opine at this blemish on my face, and how I should get it checked. During this time, I was actually on a wait list over a month to a derm the insurance referred me to. All of that was driving me rather nuts, people's queries, and basically none of their business. I do sympathize with you on this.

It's now been exactily a week after the biopsy. I experienced itching. So I put some ACV on it, then some coconut oil, but let it air out. I do put a bandaid on it if I go out or think I'll be exposed to dirt, etc.

I hope you find a good Naturopathic doctor in your area. Have you considered using this eggplant treatment I've read about here?

I wish you all the best, and know we can talk, I understand.

Hugs, Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/28/2017

Hi Rose,

How are you doing today? I know this feeling of being scared. This is what I've experienced since the day the derm after just visual assessment informed me that it looked like a BCC. I really didn't know what that meant.

Believe me, I can relate to you not wanting to go in to get it looked at. What I had to tell myself, was "feel the fear, and do it anyway." You know these things we have to tell ourselves so that we take that step?

I see why you would be reluctant, given the location of your lesions.

O.K., try not to worry too much. I was in that mode last week, and I've been doing some meditations to calm me down. I've also have made sure to do some fun things, and routine things around the house so that I don't think about this so much.

If you would like for me to include you in a meditation, I'd be happy to do that for you, just let me know.

Anyway, here's to all of us affected by this and finding answers, sharing and healing!

Margeaux


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Posted by Suzanne (Abbotsford) on 08/15/2022

Just so you know, if you get MOHS on the bridge of your nose, you will probably experience throbbing for years, if not the rest of your life! It also cut the circulation so my nose is much colder than before and runs more. Also, as I saw in the info about skin cancer, I have had 3 other spots appear in the same general area, after having it ALL removed, supposedly. One small spot required a 2" scar and the other 2 I treated myself with Efudex and plan to never get MOHS again. Trying ACV on a spot on my leg, since I saw this thread.


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/16/2017

Margeaux, what iodine will you be using? Povidone? Tincture? Lugol's?


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/17/2017

Mmsg, Oh.....I'm so glad to see you still posting, since I have read some posts which were very insightful! To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure which one, but was thinking about Lugols, since I've heard some good things about it. Is there a difference between them Mmsg? Definitely would like to know if you have any info., before I purchase a bottle. Glad I saw your post! Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/17/2017

Anastasia,

How you doing? So it's looking better and smaller? I notice that if you don't put anything on it a few days, it will scab over.

I have been leaving mine alone this week since I'm attending the conference. Just placing the bandaid on it. So it has dried up some. A day ago, after I showered, some of that came loose. I sure wish my husband was more supportive the way yours is. So I looked at what came off under magnified glass. It seemed to have some fibers there. They were very fine, but was almost wondering whether these could be the tentacles.

What I have noticed that if I stop applying the ACV, then reapply it feels as if it re-opens the area. I don't know if that makes any sense to you.

Even right now that I have only applied a little coconut oil during the day, when I'm not in public and by just using the bandaid this morning after pulling it off, noticed it had really drawn out a lot. It even is looking lighter in color, and mine is a very dark one.

Yes I do like and am interested in natural/homeopathic cures. I truly believe in them, especially after having gone through what I did with my poor dad when he was treated for colon cancer. It made me realize, when we must pull back, do some research, and hopefully move forward with our individual situations. I'm all for "Less is More."

During that time with dad's cancer I read quite a lot that sugar does feed it. Has much to do with a yeasty environment in our systems.

Anastasia, again great exchanging ideas and wish you the very best! Can't wait to hear what the ACV will do to your skin.

Margeaux


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Posted by Keith (Victoria, Austrailia) on 09/11/2017

Hi Nancy,

Wow, a BBC on the eyelid - the thought of such a place never occurred to me. I would be very wary of putting anything that could chase something to the core on such a place as it could do just that - go right through and possibly... more probably damage your eye. Also I would try to avoid the surgery and do what you are doing from the inside - they want to cut my ear off lol....no way!! The biggest thing is - don't be scared of it or the scare tactics used by the medical profession... if it is shrinking, then carry on with what you are doing - let me know how you get on.

Cheers, Keith.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 09/12/2017

Hi Nancy,

This is very interesting using Salicinium. Your BCC obviously is in a delicate place, so lots of care is to be considered, no doubt.

When I was first diagnosed with mine back in June, located in upper lip area next to my nose....Moh's was the suggestion by the derm. I'm so glad I came to Earth Clinic, and since have been treating with ACV and coconut oil mostly. In my search on the internet I'd read about people having to deal with BCC's on the eyelid, and there are some natural remedies that do work for them. Just trust, and it does sound as if what you are using is working. One just has to be persistent, not give up!!

Wish you well and the best,

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/23/2017

Hi Anastasia,

I don't know if you're checking in here anymore.

How are you doing these days, I hope well!

I'm still dealing with the BCC situation. I was wondering when you used the ACV, if you used raw & unpasteurized brand. I've been using one that says unfiltered, but pasteurized.

I was reading on the net today, and some people who were treating w/ACV, mentioned it being important to use only the unpasteurized variety. Here I've been using the one I had, and wondered about it of course.

O.K., take care where ever you are, and kind of miss exchanging ideas.

Much Love & Light!

Margeaux


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Posted by Koi (Sofia, Bulgaria) on 01/04/2018

I have a 100% success with H2O2 35%, using a Q-tip saturated in H2O2 35% at least few times per day. Make your best not to affect the surrounding skin - you can use coconut oil to isolate the place first. Nama Ste!


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Posted by Caroline Y. (Australia) on 01/13/2018

I have been using these remedies for weeks now and the fast improvement after biospy was done it has clean it up and taken the scar away. also moh surgery was suggested to me but I am not having the way they cut people's faces up to get it is not very good. if you can do things naturally it is better so I am using what you people have recommended, apple cider vinegar and hydro peroxide and it all works. I am trying to save from surgery since I have already had 4 surgeries on the nose and the skin is too thin because it has skin graft on it already. so I am using these recommended therapy.


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Posted by Gail (Swansea) on 02/07/2018

My husband had one on his nose - he accidently knocked it off and it grew back worse, so we alternated between ACV and CBD balm. It crusted up like a horn, then he touched it and it fell off - bled a bit. It doesn't really seem to be growing back so we're still putting CBD balm, and my daughter made up some absorbic acid and aloe vera paste. Touch wood it doesn't seem to be growing. He was referred to a dermatologist, for which we have to wait up to 6 months for an appointment, and I'm hoping it will be totally gone by the time he goes to see one.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 02/12/2018

Caroline,

Good for you that you are using the ACV & hydrogen peroxide. I'm assuming that your's appeared on your nose? Mohs surgery is way more dramatic than these surgeons will actually admit to.

I was also told that I'd have to have Mohs for a BCC in the lip area by my nose. When I began to research this & all the details I'd just rather skip here, I decided against it. The more I've read, Im inclined to believe that it's an easy way for dermatologists and cosmetic surgeons to line their pockets.

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your choice of treatments, and do come back if you've any questions.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 03/01/2018

Hi Della, I'm so glad that someone is still checking into this thread for BCC's and ideas. So the homemade eggplant worked for you? I've been dealing with mine since June of 2017. Unfortunately, mine became a bit bigger than yours, I'm sure. Recently, I've been a bit frustrated with the progress of mine too. After having done ACV, coconut oil, even tried the vitamin C crystal thing w/water. At first the ACV & coconut oil seemed to be doing something, or at least drawing the poisons out of the BCC. More recently, it hasn't worked as well. Because of this, and gee......sometimes I feel like I just do not have the time it constantly takes to be applying whatever to my face. I know it's the sheer frustration of it all. It also is because recently I've been dealing w/a sinus infection, so kind of took my attn. away from BCC issues. Well, it's back to the drawing board, and I'm going to try the eggplant remedy now. Thanks so much Della for telling us about your experience with it, It is motivating, which is what I need. Here's to our healing! Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 03/05/2018

Mmsg,

How are you doing and great to hear from you!

Yes, it's funny you should mention the clay. I was looking at the jar which I haven't used in awhile. But need to do a mask. Now when you're saying to do the clay, should I allow it to dry then wash it off? I can't imagine sleeping the night with clay on the BCC, because at least the one I use, dries and itches a lot.

Thanks for the idea Mmsg!

Margeaux


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 03/06/2018

Margeaux, I've read that one hour applications are also effective. I would try for twice a day.


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Posted by Donna S. (Nyc) on 03/07/2018

Hello,

I am beginning to feel optimistic reading through all the personal stories. I have a basal cell on the side of my nose for 2 yrs now, it somehow got triggered by a facial, I received with excessive squeezing around my nose. I have been using different salves to heal it. Today I decided to get it checked and my worst fear was heard ... surgical removal. My feelings are not in favor of surgery, I have always been the alternative healing kind of a woman. I recently had a few Halotherapy sessions ( salt caves) that seemed to have made this area on my nose heal a little. I had a small mole on my ankle that seems drier or scaly maybe its shedding off the layers? The doctor didnt seem to think this was worth doing more .... I am not giving up on alternative healing & my faith.

Donna


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Posted by Andrew (Mullum, Australia) on 04/20/2018

Anastasia,

Are you still visiting this thread by any chance? I was wondering how your BCC is now. Reading the posts above I was drawn to use bicarb and coconut oil for my BCC as you did. Mine was on my scalp the size of a US penny and had been there a couple of years and just started getting a little bigger recently. Rejected the allopathic's knife which she said needed to be done ASAP. After 3 weeks of once a day treatment and covered 24/7 it's still oozing on my pillow at night so I think the bandaid keeps it open which is a good thing. Once a day I shower and gently apply antibacterial wash to the area before I take the bandaid off. If I don't wet the bandaid it would pull off a lot of stuff which doesn't seem right. It's looking smaller but the treatment is feeling a little too passive so I may start doing it twice a day. Cheers, Andrew


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 04/20/2018

Hi Andrew,

This is not Anastasia answering you, and I wish she would visit this thread, as I am curious as to whether her BCC finally healed up, and I sure hope it did! Anyway, I just wanted to encourage you to continue what you have been doing. I have been dealing with mine, and I know it takes some persistence. The combination of bicarb and coconut oil seems to work well.

Please keep us updated about the progress.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 04/23/2018

Donna,

I remember the day a derm diagnosed my BCC visually, and later he did the biopsy and confirmed it was in fact a BCC. He also recommended the surgery, and actually he took me through this whole explanation about MOH's, then I'd have to have a reconstruction of the first surgery! There's just no way I was going to have this. I like yourself, believe in natural methods. Anyway, I just wanted to encourage you and know that you aren't out there by yourself.

Here's to our healing & courage!

Margeaux


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Posted by June K. (Maryland) on 04/08/2017

You provided a before picture can you please provide an "after" picture? I'd love to see the results.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/03/2017

KK,

I'm so glad that you found Earthclinic. There's so much great information here.

Well you certainly have gone through a lot with this condition!

I'm currently treating a mole type one on the face just next to my nose. Had the biopsy 2 wks. ago. I have an appointment with the derm on Jul. 11th. He already told me it looks like a BCC, and was already with his rap to me about MOH'S then some additional plastic surgery. I've been treating mine since the biopsy w/ACV and coconut oil. It definitely is releasing something to applied area.

I'm really somewhat concerned about this appointment coming up, as I feel the derm is going to do his hard sell about the surgery. I'm sure they don't go shouting out in the streets about natural cures, because that wouldn't line their pockets!

I wish you well with your protocol you are following, and thanks for posting your experience, it really helps me.

Margeaux


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Posted by Htownfarmer (Houston, Texas) on 07/08/2017 9 posts

Margeaux

Do you find that using the Bentonite clay and iodine help? I do not use together, they do not hurt is about all I can say.

I do not know about moles.

My assumed BBCs start out as a small spot, as I treat the area it does become much much larger and painful.

I mix the clay with Apple Cider Vinegar and carrier oil. lugols and turmeric will stain.

When I paint my left arm with lugols - two days straight. I can look at my arm and see "black heads" under the skin. I am guessing they are pre-cancers. they slowly come to the surface. little volcanoes is what I call them. which turn into little craters. which use to turn into large craters before I found Earth Clinic.

I do not know what to tell you about issues with your face. I tend to use my chemo cream on my face, neck and back areas when I notice SPOTS. but first I do try to make the immediate area inhospitable to whatever is there. throw the kitchen sink at it.

Good luck and keep reading.

tim


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/09/2017

Htownfarmer,

Thanks you so much for your reply.

I guess using some of the natural remedies brings things to the surface.

Well I was rather reluctant to use the ACV at first, given that I just had a biopsy done 2 wks. ago.

I've felt between a rock and a hard place since this derm was already pushing the Moh's surgery. I finally just said to myself, "What do you have to lose?" So started the ACV w/more gusto and the coconut oil.

I even have some dmso which I recently purchased to be used w/vitamin c crystals. The only thing is though.....I'm reading more about the dmso, as it acts as a transporter of whatever one uses, or is exposed through the skin. So I want to know a bit more about it before I use it.

Here's to our healing and courage!

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/16/2017

Kristen,

I'm a bit curious as to which post you were replying to, since you addressed a Dr., plus your post appeared just below my post. So you tried the ACV on your 2 mm BCC, I see. Yes, mine I guess was almost about the same size, and I've been treating it. The derm suggested Moh's, but I wasn't having it, after being told it would involve 2 separate surgeries!

Well what I can say after treating mine w/ACV and coconut oil, is that one has to just keep at it. I'm surprised that yours went away in 4 days, but that's good news. I've been at it going on something like three mos., now. It looks like it is getting a bit better, but still yet have more to go, and I'm just having to be persistent & patient!

I wish you the very best, and if you've any questions don't hesitate to ask.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/19/2017

Mmsg,

How are you, and thanks for your suggestion about the petty surge. You must be intuitive Mmsg!

My BCC hadn't been doing anything, despite my applying the ACV & coconut oil. In other words, this isn't drawing anything out, and it is still there in the layers of the skin.

Today I tried to change it up a bit. I'm applying the vitamin c crystals just dissolved in water.

I have read about petty surge and it does sound rather aggressive, so I'm kind of chicken to try this one. I was also reading one of your posts about using the iodine, had wanted to try that, but from your post you mentioned that it scabbed, which means it closed up? That's what I'm experiencing right now. Mine has closed up, even though its still there. I feel it needs to be opened up again, so all of it will finally be gone.

I also have some DMSO I haven't used yet with the vitamin c crystals. After reading more on DMSO, I felt just a bit reluctant. Now that really has a delivery system into the skin. But w/that, one has to proceed also with caution.

Anyway, thanks again, and I hope your protocols are working for you.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 11/08/2017

Mmsg, Are you still out there? So I tried the ACV for about nine days. It was stinging, just as it had when I first began that protocol. The perimeter of the BCC appeared to grow, just a bit and become irritated. When this happened, (which really hadn't previously), I became just a tad scared. So I backed off w/ACV, for a bit after that. I went back to the coconut oil, but neither the coconut oil, nor the ACV seem to be pulling anything out anymore. To be quite honest......after this and having to deal with it now for 5 mos., I just placed a bandaid over it, and kind of not focused on it for a few days. Yes, just getting tired of dealing with this, basically. Back to the drawing board......so today I've mixed up coconut oil w/vitamin c crystals, and am going to see what that may do. I'm hoping that I can still attack it, because I definitely know there is still something there, although it has changed, since I started the treatments. What I've noticed also.....is that on the perimeter of the BCC there are these small bumps, I can feel them. Is that normal? Sometimes when I'm washing the area w/water after a treatment, I also feel these prickly hairs on it, especially on those bumps. I am going to go get some of the iodine now, but I'm not going to over do that, since I read your post about how it will close up with that treatment. O.K., I hope you are doing well and hanging in there, Margeaux


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 11/08/2017

Margeaux, vitamin c really hurt when I applied it. But maybe with the coconut oil it'll be milder.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 12/13/2017

Mmsg,

How is it going for you? I hope all is well. It's been quite some time since I last posted here, and just wanted to know what's going on in BCC land.

To be quite honest, since I last posted I've become rather really tired of having to deal with my BCC. I became busy with other things in my life, and rather focused on those things, rather than my treatment. I continued to apply my coconut oil, and then ACV as before. But I can really see the BCC seems to have closed up. I have been rather on the fed up side of dealing with it too if you know what I mean, and just would place a bandaid over the damn thing, when I go out, and so that I don't have to see it. Taking a look at it today, in some way it looks a bit as if it is spreading. Not too much, but ugghh! Anyway, rather a bummer situation isn't it!!

O.K. but I'm going to really get serious about it again, not give in or up. I guess I'm really going to have to try some other method. Maybe it is time to order the eggplant cream.

Margeaux


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 12/15/2017

Margeaux, I did give up and had it cut out and have an impressive scar to show for it. If I were you I would try the eggplant cream asap.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 12/15/2017

Mmsg,

Thanks so much for your prompt reply! Today, I tried the ACV again, and for the first time in weeks started to feel that sting I used to feel on the BCC when I first started using it. I admit, that I have been feeling kind of stuck with this whole process. But I'm going to give it a go again, and change a few things as to how I'm treating it to see what happens. I certainly can relate, about the caving in to a certain degree, when you said you decided to have the surgery, and I thought that for a minute the other day. I do get a bit on the weary side, when I do not see enough progress....then fearing especially people around me, like my mate is going to start to pressure me to have the surgery after all, and I so don't want to go there, even if I'm frustrated about this. Anyway, thanks so much for your support.

Really appreciate it!

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 02/12/2018

Sarina,

Thank you so much for your suggestion. Yes, I have heard and done much reading about the Black Salve. But I don't think I'd want to try that particular remedy, since I've also heard that it tends to scar if one overdoes it. But I appreciate your input!

Margeaux


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Posted by Lil G (Missouri City, Tx) on 06/27/2016
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I am using the regiment for the cure for Basal Cell Carcinoma and I have some questions? First how do you know it is working? And how long do you continue to use the mix. I use Peroxide, Apple Cider Vinegar, and Baking Soda with coconut oil; then vitamin E. They all have the properties to fight cancer, heal, and repair. The area is 3 times larger, but it has been know to get bigger before it gets better.

Any help with length of time would be much appreciated.


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Posted by Dan (Waterbury Ct) on 06/30/2017

I had basal-cell on the crown of my nose for over 6 years. I've gotten to cut off 3 times and it's always came back and when it comes back, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger. I was wondering if this apple cider vinegar treatment would help me in a way of getting rid of it instead of going for surgery and getting plastic surgery done because I've seen people that had it done and your whole structure of their noses changed, which I do not want to happen to my face. If I take a picture of this and put it on this website can somebody please explain to me if there will be a problem.


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Posted by Mike (Thailand) on 10/27/2015
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Combination basal cell patch(es) on scalp and Actinic Keratosis (AK) cheeks/scalp.

Doc 1 said 1cm BSC lesion on scalp, never checked the rest. But had some AK there and resurfacing on cheeks. Wanted to do biopsy on the spot there and then. I said whoa, I'll think about it first, so she gave me bacterial cream in the interim.

Went in Cebu for second opinion, vg Doc, checked all scalp, the one lesion plus few more bumps, gave me antibiotic to reduce inflamation prior possible excision, plus Aldara, low dosage, which I'd used before, for rest of scalp patches and cheeks.

In the meantime I went on the internet, found this website and decided to kit up with Apple Cider Vinegar, baking soda, Hydrogen Peroxide, aloe vera, vit C, Tincture iodine, and mashed eggplant.

Started with the ACV on the lesion regular daily patch, left on at night, clean with 3% HP, plus Aldara 2x week on the scalp bumps and face patches.

After two weeks of ACV, and having had lesion for two months, it's scabbed over and the scab just off. Hopefully now will try Vit C/aloe to help heal skin loss, in the meantime the Aldara, while red patches as expected initially (supposed to show it's working) also seems to be having positive effect on both scalp and cheeks.

Many thanks for the posters and their suggestions on this website.

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 08/30/2015

HI YA'LL DOIN, , , , , , , , , , yep, it's fun to play doctor with the simple ACV.......... but skin cancer is not a play thing. If you want to play then do Cur a derm and be done with the monster. I have done all the stuff you are doing. I raise my own eggplant and treat my arms, but not if it's cancer.

That's not a play thing. If it's just crusty stuff then play doctor. Otherwise, get serious. That is an ole patoots advice .

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Posted by Klyn (Jersey) on 04/22/2016
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Hi Kate,

I tried applying raw and organic ACV on my nose believing that the growth might be cancerous. Next afternoon I observed few pores turned black and few small white pimples out of which a clear fluid came out upon bursting them. Is this the behavior of cancer cells or is the growth something else?


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 05/04/2017

Jmj, after battling a BCC for 2 years with home remedies, I caved in and had surgery (and a nice scar to show for it). Not Moh's.

If, G-d forbid, I ever get it again, I would persevere with natural stuff, especially "petty spurge", clay, and short applications of baking soda. But if you decide to go that route, read tons before trying any home remedies.


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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 05/04/2017

Mmsg,,,,,,,,, you have been following my posts forever, we are not lovers, but we buddies........ why did you not use Curaderm that I have written about a jullion times? Even my dermatologist knows it works. He has the book. Just removed a skin cancer from my shoulder a few months ago. Easy as pie.

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 05/07/2017

If I can buy Curaderm from England over the internet, then so can you. I have bought two tubes in the last decade or so. It will last for years and absolutely leaves no scars. I do let a dermatologist take on the tough ones that will mess up my beauty. Naw, sometimes I delay treatment and get spooked and nervous.

Yo Buddy====ORH========


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Posted by Peter (NYC, NY) on 03/22/2015
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Apple Cider Vinegar worked for me. I've been diagnosed with Basal Cell. One lesion I had cut out. I had a second lesion for over a year on my shoulder. After reading the above post, I applied ACV numerous times per day directly with a cotton swab and then covered it with a ACV soaked thin gauze pad or band aid. It stings. After a week, I could tell, it had killed the cancer cells. I stopped applying ACV, and allowed the area to scab, then heal. It took about a week to heal completely with no scar. Thank you!


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Posted by Eve K (Houston, Tx ) on 11/06/2009

I would have never known I had a BCC unless my dermatologist pointed it out... the removal was completely painless on par with having teeth cleaned..

Point of story, don't completely blow off Western Med, my experience is that most doctors are trying to help...


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Posted by Cathy (Melbourne Beach, Florida, Usa) on 05/28/2012

As a lifelong Florida resident I have dealt with my fair share of Basal and Squamous Cell Skin Cancers. I went the traditional route with surgical removal by a dermatologist and have the unsightly scars to show for it. On one visit my dermatologist pointed out a Basal Cell growth on the tip of my nose. I was horrified. I know what the scars looked like and there was no way I was willing to have the tip of my nose cut off. I did my research and found a book written by Dr. I Williams and Linda Comac called the Skin Cancer Answer, The Natural Treatment for Basal and Squamous Cell Carcinomas and Keratoses. In the book they reference an over the counter cream, from Australia. This cream is made from plant based glycoalkaloids. I found the cream offered by a company in New Jersey. Needless to say I ordered a tube (34.95 plus 5.95 shipping) and used it as directed. I applied twice a day and covered with a Band-Aid. I did this faithfully for 30 days. The basal cell carcinoma on the tip of my nose scabbed up and fell off, leaving healthy pink skin behind. I returned to my dermatologist. He inspected the site, scratched his head and proclaimed me basal cell free. It's interesting to note that Australia is the skin cancer capital of the world where this cream was developed from a common weed. (Solanum extract) It's good stuff and Australia has done the clinical trials to prove it.


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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn. ) on 06/05/2014

HI U CORRINE, , , , , , what I think your are looking for is Curadurm which is made from egg plant. It has worked for me. The fellow who developed this ointment had to leave Australia because these folks are like our FDA, they don't like success. Google the name and you will get what you seek.

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Posted by Greg (Denver, CO) on 12/13/2014

I used black salve on a Basal Cell Carcinoma I had had for years. It certainly worked, it ate into the cancer and down deep. Took about 2 weeks for the scab to form/come off. Problem is, it left me scared. I have a large white depressed patch on my face where the cancer was. In all honesty I shouldn't have done it in such a prominent place on my face. It does work, but be prepared for scarring.


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Posted by Om (Hope, Bc Canada) on 04/12/2015

Patti from Florida --I would use the mid stream of my urine, soak a cloth and cover the infected parts for a while. Yours will heal fast. No smell.

Namaste, Om


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Posted by Sheila (Ohio) on 09/14/2015

I looked up Curadurm and found it in a couple of places at $144.00 then I saw in a google list where there is a Curadurm scam.

I'm trying the peroxide/ACV/Sunspot ES gel that I have. This is my first day and the scab looks a little less angry. We'll see. I have a doctor appt. in October so I am going to try this for awhile then let her look at it if it isn't better by then.


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Posted by Robert Henry (St George Island, Fla.) on 09/15/2015

HI U SHEILA, , , , , , , , , , , you want some one to do your work for you and that causes me consternation. I keep telling posters to read until they get tired and then read some more. That is what you need to do and here is what you need to read.

http://www.smart-publications.com/articles/the-eggplant-cancer-cure-by-bill-e-cham-phd-a-book-review

This is the guy who learned what the ingredient is in eggplant that cures your skin cancer. I know because he has cured two of mine. Buy this book, read it and cure yourself.

Put forth a little effort and the bright folks here will help you.

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 09/15/2016

HI U BARBARA,,,,,,,, have gone down both trails and suggest you find a good dermatologist and get this taken care of. I too try to use natural methods, but your cancer may not be basal cell. Curaderm will not work on Melanoma.

Curaderm works within weeks, and you need to stop playing games with this problem.

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Posted by Liz (Uk) on 07/24/2023

Did you water the ACV down, did you use it close to the eye or in eye? I've a BCC on lower eyelid and can't seem to get rid of it.


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Posted by judith (USA) on 11/23/2023

How did you apply the ACV? did you use cotton pad with a bandaid/tape over it to keep it on or did you just apply throughout the day and let it dry? Very interested as I have just had 15 spots treated on my face and know there are even more to go...


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Posted by red1gem (SW Florida) on 09/17/2023

Hello Fern, I read your post and was wondering if you could give an update now, it's been a year and a few months now and I hope you got a great result! If not, please share what you have decided to do.


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Posted by Darilyn (Western Australia ) on 06/04/2020

Hi Susan- does this treatment completely ‘cure' the bcc or do you find it returns. Also how long does treatment take? TIA


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Posted by Peter (South Africa) on 08/28/2018

ACV for Basal Cell: After using ACV for about 1 week the lump has gone flat and turned black. Is this normal?


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Posted by Peter (South Africa) on 09/04/2018

Update:

After 2 weeks the bcc fell off and left a small indentation which is a bit raw at the moment. I still put ACV on every night and an anti bacterial cream covered with a plaster when I go to work. How much longer before it will be healed?


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Posted by Joanne (Victoria) on 05/22/2018

Do you also apply moisturiser or just apple cider and how often?


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Posted by Marilyn (Lincolnshire, UK) on 06/24/2018

I have bcc on my nose. How do I use Apple Cider Vinegar on it? Thank you xx


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Posted by Anon (Usa) on 06/25/2018

Clean the area with rubbing alcohol. Saturate a piece of cotton with straight ACV - the cotton should be big enough to cover the area. Place the saturated cotton over the bcc and secure it with a bandage. Change it daily.

I snip the cotton off the end of a cotton swab and handle it with a tweezer to prevent the Apple Cider Vinegar from being pressed out.

I have used this successfully on moles, the procedure would likely be the same. I am curious whether raw turmeric might be effective for your bcc applied topically.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/03/2017

What wonderful advice related to ACV and BCC. My situation is that I started out with a small speck on my face close to my nose. I had it checked by a PCP. We both thought it was a blocked pore, (blackheads). I was applying clay masks and doing anything I could to address blackheads. Anyway, it grew so just saw a dermatologist last week.

I'm rather a moley kind of person, have many. I've also have spent enough time in the sun too. I'm of the third age. Anyway the dermatologist immediately said it was a BCC. I'm going in for a biopsy on June 20th. He also told me he'd have to remove it surgically. Oh boy!!

Anyway, I'm wondering whether the ACV would work for a BCC such as the one I have. It is of the darker variety compared to some of the BCCs that have been posted about here.

Anyway, I know I don't have to tell you all that I'm so reluctant with idea of the surgery.

One question I have is what kind of soap or cleanser can be safely used on my face to clean it before I apply the ACV. Do any of you use sun screen on the BCC? I basically have been really paranoid to put anything on the BCC itself, since I tried covering it up with makeup some mos. ago, and it seemed as if that possibly agitated it. Who knows, but that is when it started to look a little bigger.

I'm really trying to find alternative ideas or protocol as to how best to address this challenge in front of me.

Thank you all for advice given,

Margeaux


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Posted by Darrell (Milwaukee) on 06/09/2017

Appreciate the good experience of surgery. I'm going 6/21. Took biopsy a week ago and that is healing rather well. I've read moist is best and it seems to be. I have it on the side of the nose near the tip. I've read so much on the procedure as well as taking care of it to prevent scarring. Also looking at what one can do to help lessen probability of returning....thus this site.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/22/2017

Hi Darrell,

I was wondering.......post biopsy treatment, I just had one two days ago. Still have the bandaid on it they sent me home with. Is it wise to remove it now?

Derm hardly gave me any post treatment instructions about the biopsy. Can I wash it safely after two days, and should I apply something such as Polysporin, since I've also read about keeping it moist.

How are you doing? Have you had the surgery? Wish you all the best.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/19/2017

Hi Rose,

How is your treatment progressing? Well, I did a few days worth of the ACV on my mole. It stung just a bit. I think it was the 2nd day after I'd applied it, and since I was going out during sunlight hours, I placed a bandaid over it. The bandaid came off before I left, and I noticed a tiny bit of blood on it. Is this normal, and should I continue to apply the ACV?

Actually, I stopped after I experienced this, for two days now. Tomorrow I'm scheduled for the biopsy, so I'm aware I'll have to allow that to heal. So I'm just wondering if you or anyone might know how long I'd have to wait after a biopsy, until I can continue the ACV, or any other natural treatment on the BCC. I guess I'd also better be ready with some polysporin? Anyway, this is a concern of mine today. Thank you.

Margeaux


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Posted by Bonnie (Nashville Tn) on 06/26/2017

Hi Darrell, you need to leave the wound covered with a bandage until you have the stitches removed. Also keep it moist with Vaseline. After the bandage is removed use coconut oil on it or vitamin E oil.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/06/2017

Hi Rose,

How you doing? So I've been keeping at it using the ACV on my problem area. I notice that it seems to draw something out. The area looks a bit irritated also. I know that people say this is what happens. But I'm just wondering how long the irritation part lasts. Anyway, just want to make sure that it is doing what its supposed to be doing. I do put coconut oil after I've done an application of the ACV. Next week I go for the follow up biopsy appt., and I'm not sure I'll fess up to the derm what I've been using. But I'm NOT going to have this Moh's surgery!

O.K., these were just some questions I had. I hope your treatment is moving along. How's the Frankincense working out?

Margeaux


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Posted by Christine (South Africa) on 07/20/2017

Hello Rose and Margeaux

I have been diagnosed with BCC on the bridge of my nose. I have been applying ACV every hour by soaking cotton wool in it and pasting over the area. It has become very red and sore, also look a bit swollen and feels as if it throbbing - is that nomal? please let me know - very scared that I am not doing it right or applying to much of the ACV.

regards, Christine


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Posted by Gerrit (Abbotsford) on 08/11/2017

You tell them Robert, great to hear from you now and then!

88 and hanging in there.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/20/2017

Robert,

Thank you so much for your constant encouragement and advice! I know from having read many of your posts that you speak from experience.

Your posts also make me laugh a lot, which I also love! As Anastasia said, "we shouldn't lose our sense of humor." Agree'd!

P.S. I also love your garden pictures.

Margeaux


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Posted by Nancy (Las Vegas) on 09/03/2017

Hi,

I have a diagnosed BCC on my upper eyelid. Mohs surgery is scheduled in 4 days, with a plastic surgeon and occular plastic surgeon to follow. Something I really would like to avoid.

I have been using Salicinium orally (natural substance approved by the State of Nevada Board of Homeopathic Medical Examiners) since April and my BCC has shrunk about 3/4's. Topically I have been using GSE grapefuit seed extract-its an OTC-anti-viral, bacterial, fungicide etc.) it is used overseas in some countries as a treatment for BCC, TrueScience Skin Cream (an OTC with Protandim Nrf2 activation technologies- clinical studies/review articles available on www.pubmed.gov on Protandim), and frankincens around the eye socket and on the roof of my mouth.

I also went sugar free in my diet 6 months ago and I am drinking green drinks at least once a day. Most of my food is organic and am vegetarian. Use natural cleaning and personal care products. I also drink 8-10 cups of pHenomenal Alkaline water daily. So I am trying everything I know. (I too have been in the sun every day of my life from mountain climbing, to snow sports, surfing, gardening etc. I also have been severely exposed to petroleum leakes twice, etc)

Except Curaderm--I have been very cautious to try it as the BCC is right over my eye on the eyelid, and have been concered about it possible going through my eyelid into my eye or otherwise burning my eye and damaging my eyesight. I was wondering if you have any experience using Curaderm on an upper eyelid??

Thank you. Nancy


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Posted by Rob (Pa) on 10/01/2017

In trying to do all natural (and having multiple chemical sensitivities), I wasn't pleased that the PA said to use vaseline (a petroleum product)...I developed an allergic reaction to the bandaid adhesive resulting in a rash & hives...That was 9 days ago...and still itching. I'm thinking I could try the coconut oil now?


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 03/03/2018

Margeaux, you can also try wet clay. It's better at night and with a bandaid as it is messy.


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Posted by Lisa (Normal, Illinois ) on 05/28/2021

As you continued this process what was it looking like? I just want to know what to expect. I'm trying it now and it has turned yellowish and looks gross.


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Posted by Carrie (West Hartford, Ct) on 09/03/2016

Hi Martha,

How did you use the Apple Cider Vinegar on your face? Did you apply it several times a day? How long did it take to work?


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Posted by Martha (Usa) on 10/04/2016

Hi, I taped a piece of Apple Cider Vinegar saturated cotton ball to my forehead at night before bed and kept it on all night for about a week. It did sting and hurt but it is doing its job. On my days off from work I would dab more Apple Cider Vinegar on during the day when I thought of it. Once the area started to change colors and it seemed like the skin was getting too irritated I stopped applying the cotton ball at night. I put a band aid over the area during the day so people wouldn't be uncomfortable. All in all it was about 3.5-4 weeks.


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Posted by Lisa (Pa) on 10/18/2016

Hi, thanks for sharing. Did you experience a puss coming out of the area throughout the treatment?


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Posted by Vanessa (Tx) on 12/30/2016

Wow I have a lot of those on my forehead. As soon as my treatment for the basal cell is finished I am going to apply ACV to those too. Thanks for the picture.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 08/20/2017

Htownfarmer,

How are you doing with your treatments? I just wanted to check up on you, since I've been having some very good dialogues here with other posters.

Hope all is well!

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/12/2017

Htownfarmer,

I was reading again through the reply you posted to me, and just wanted to answer your question. As far as treating the BCC, I have not really used either the Bentonite clay, nor idodine. I'd been using Bentonite some months ago, before I even knew this was a BCC. I thought what I had on my face was a very clogged pore, (blackheads). Now for whatever reason it was...thinking back it is possible the Bentonite drew the BCC more to the surface of my skin. In any case it looked more prominent, I do remember that. Still working with ACV, then also tried coconut w/baking soda yesterday.

How long does the iodine leave a stain on the skin. I'd like to try this, but since I'm dealing with my face, sometimes I wouldn't want traces of it even w/bandaid if I have to go out in public.

Anyway I wanted to answer these questions, since I know it could help others going through this.

Persistence!

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 07/17/2017

Htownfarmer,

How you doing? Yes, I keep applying the ACV. But I also tried doing some coconut oil w/baking soda the other day. Then I've found that by just applying the coconut oil, it is drawing something out of the area on my face. Yesterday when I removed the cotton soaked coconut oil, it appeared to have even removed something that looked like a thread. Interesting, since I've read that these skin cancers have tentacles. Not really sure it was that, but found it quite interesting.

Thanks for the info & encouragement!

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/19/2017

Mmsg,

O.K., I searched for your post that I had mentioned in my previous post, and it was from 2014. You mentioned using vitamin c crystals with water. How did you measure out the vitamin c to the water? Many people will give ratios of one part vit. c, to 8 parts water. What does this mean? One teaspoon to ozs., which would come to 1 cup water, or tablespoon?

After having a cotton w/vit. C & water on for over an hour, there's a feeling as if the solution is trying to break through to the BCC, and I'm hoping that it does. My BCC has also been rather itchy lately, is this normal?

Did you ever try the pancreatin by any chance someone suggested that you try?

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/20/2017

Mmsg,

I guess I must have read incorrectly, or maybe someone really diluted their vitamin c crystals. Later yesterday, I found more info. that said to just make a paste out of it.

Yes, I have read about how careful one has to be with the petty surge.

I'm sorry you had it cut out. If I may ask, did you have Moh's surgery?

Thanks a lot for answering my questions Mmsg.

Margeaux


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/23/2017

Mmsg,

How are you today? Listen, I read your post again, and wanted you to know that I didn't ignore your comment about how the surgeon appears to have been overzealous with their approach. I'm really sorry about that.

Margeaux


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Posted by Sarina (Tx) on 01/23/2018

Have you heard of Black Salve (the one with bloodroot)? I've had great success with removing BCC with it. It can be ordered online. Extremely potent, use with caution.


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Posted by Irene (Yosemite) on 07/25/2016

Debbie, wow that is incredible!! How are you doing now? Has it returned? I do not want to cut my face open. I am 27 years old and truly believe there is another way! Note: I was never in the sun that much minus as a kid but my grandparents always put sunscreen on me or hats (but I am convinced it was from too many xrays in conjunction with sun perhaps..or maybe its sunscreen!?) still strange. It appeared out of nowhere on my cheek! Freezing pushes it deeper down and cutting it away will make me so sad. Will try this soon.


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Posted by Debbie (San Diego) on 08/20/2016

Thank you, Patricia, Jim, Henry, Stephanie and Irene for your kind comments and ideas. I have been in healing mode and learning in other areas and just now getting back to the nose. The BCC was lower on my nose, not quite the bridge but that was very important to learn about the thin skin and nasal cavities. The hook like snake scar is up on the bridge. Will look into the other ideas too. Thank you!


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Posted by Sandy (Nc) on 09/06/2016

i have the exact delimma on my scalp above my right eye brow...started out useing sovereign silver and am not using the baking soda/coconut oil bandaid method..with occasional apple cider and hydrogen peroxide on it...I think what I have is squamous..but not 100% sure...


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Posted by Irene (Yosemite ) on 07/25/2016

Wow! Did the derm happen to tell you if it was precancerous or the beginning stage? How big was yours? I only ask because my BCC is very tiny and I do not want to be cut open by any means. I am only 27 and to be honest I am not in the sun that much and always wear spf (which now I know can cause cancer ugh). Also I heard that xrays can bring it about (which I had two sets of dental ones before this sucker popped on up including a neck xray). Your post gives me hope, thank you!


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Posted by Mike (Abington, Pa) on 08/15/2016

Hi Irene,

The Derm was light on specifics. In fact, they didn't pitch up much fuss about it, as the BCC wasn't too big--even during the second visit. The diameter was roughly the size of a standard BiC pen opening at the bottom where the ball point comes out, to give you some idea of the size.

I repeated this procedure (albeit in a lesser amount of the time) with small BCCs on the scalp, arm and another spot on the nose--all with the same positive results from administering ACV. The small spots on the scalp, I soaked a qtip in ACV and pressed it on the site until it stung, and let the sting ride for a few minutes until it lessened (hanging there, taking some slow deep breaths helps, as the sting can be sharp, but it will pass). After, I gently washed the site with soap and water, and left it alone. Within a day or so, the site turned black, scabbed, and after another day or so, the scab fell off, and perfectly pink skin underneath. Total time: about three-to-four days after pressing the qtip on the site once for completely healthy pink looking skin.

That quicker procedure seems to work well on small/superficial BCC spots. What I noticed, when the stinging abates, the ACV got to the root, and while there will be redness and white circles around the site treated, healing is starting. The day after, just leave the site alone, as the site treated will turn a darker color and scab. If you have a vitamin E cream around, or some coconut oil to keep the inflamed skin cooled, use that, but if not, just keep it clean during your normal washing routine. Persistent, larger BCCs that scab and then bleed when brushed, the longer procedure outlined provides a good healing treatment with ACV.

Happy healing!

Mike


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Posted by Nadia (Chicago, Il) on 08/03/2016

Thank you for sharing! I'm going to begin tomorrow morning for my Basal cell bc I don't want to do the chemo cream.

Question...on Friday when you said you left it alone, was it covered with just a dry cotton wad or did u put ACV on it? Also you stated u woke in the middle of the night and changed the cotton wad, again was it dry or ACV? I'm trying to get an idea of what to do exactly. During the hours when you didn't apply the ACV hourly, what did you do? Leave it open, covered, or with an ACV coated cotton wad? Thank you so much!


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Posted by Mike (Abington, Pa) on 08/15/2016

Hi Nadia,

Just getting around to checking this site. I haven't been on here in for a while. To address your questions: on Friday evening after 6:30pm, I left the site alone, meaning I didn't use a cotton wad. I wanted it to air out. In the middle of the night, I woke up, and decided to soak a cotton wad with ACV and secure it with a band-aid until morning. During the treatment, when I noted the wad wasn't soaked with ACV, I left the site open--nothing covering it. I figured airing it out would promote healing, and it did the trick. I hope that helps to clarify your questions.

Mike


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/19/2017

Patricia,

I've read your post, that has lots of good information! I'm wondering about, when you wrote about going to the dermatologist, and not having a prescription for pain, instead taking an over the counter one. Is it my understanding, that you had the biopsy done at this time, so needed the pain meds? I'm scheduled tomorrow, 06/20/17 for the biopsy for a BCC-mole type. I'm aware there will be some amount of pain involved, but well you know doctors........they can be vague about this stuff. Also, if you had the experience, how long should one wait after a biopsy, (healing) to proceed safely with the ACV? I started ACV last week, only two days worth, but now I realize I may have to suspend, given this biopsy. O.K., I'm glad to hear your options worked for you, and will look up the link. Just trying to educate myself about this.

Thank you, Margeaux


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Posted by Leigh (Bop) on 02/05/2017

Hi Mike,

I am in the process of putting ACV on my nose - what started as a reasonably small red area after 3 days has turned black after growing a bit and now there are several other white spots around the area appearing. I have pretty much kept a damp ACV cotton ball on it for the past 3 days. Do you think I should leave it off to breathe for a while? Tonight I put some coconut oil with frankinsense and lavender oil mixed with baking soda on it to hopefully calm the redness a bit..


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/19/2017

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for the detailed account of what you've done for your BCC. I started the ACV treatment last week on one on my face about 1.5 cm's. It stung at first. What I've noticed is that it left the wet cotton kind of black at first, then it bled a little. Tomorrow I go for a biopsy. How long should I wait post biopsy to continue the ACV, if you know. Or, do you think it advisable I continue right away. I did stop this weekend doing it. But today I thought, "Oh why not."

Today, the wet cotton was more soiled, as in it's drawing something out of the BCC. Don't mean to gross anyone out here, but maybe it's just a good idea to talk about it, so we know what to expect. Anyway, thanks again, and if you are checking this thread, could you please give me your input? Can't thank you enough.

Goes to show us all what a bit of persistence looks like.

Margeaux


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Posted by Irene (Yosemite) on 07/25/2016

Hi there. Awesome story. Did you ever get checked after this treatment? I am curious because I do not want to get cut open and wondered if this method truly removed it all and if a biopsy would confirm it. thanks : )! Hope all is well!


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Posted by Sharon (Tennessee) on 10/08/2015

I've taken warts off and helped heal many skin aliments with ACV (with mother) (the brown stuff in bottom of bottle). It kills the fungus and bacteria on certain skin disorders. Even works well on fever blisters - it will burn like the dickens though. Lemon Balm is very effective on fever blisters. But back to the skin cancer. There is a black salve you can take certain types of basal cell cancers off with, called the "original black salve." I've taken several off my arms, chest- after doctor had taken a few off. They generally never come back. If they did, I reapplied, and they went away. I'm speaking of pinkish small type- NOT crusty types.

The problem with trying to effect a crusty type cancer, is that nothing seems to get UNDER the crust. My Dad played around with his black crusty spot on his arm for a couple years- and finally persuaded, he went for biopsy and it was melanoma. Quite extensive surgery, although the top part was only size of dime (or less). They spread out UNDER the skin. They took out two lymph nodes when they did the rotor rooter surgery on his arm. And found nothing in the lymph nodes, so caught it in time.

Now he's making excuses why he doesn't need to go back every 3- months, then 6 months.... oh YES, he's going back!!

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 10/08/2015

HI U SHARON, my Tenn neighbor, , , , , , , , , , , , Melanoma is a big bad bugger. Had a relative who passed way before his time because of that cancer. He had jack so he went to MD Anderson. That clinic is second to none except four of my friends who were treated there are all dead. My best buddy moved to Houston back in the 90's so they could call every shot.

They declared him cancer free and he was dead in three months. This sign they are now showing where cancer being crossed out is just more BS.

I have no solution, but getting your daddy to go back to an allopathic doctor makes me want to cry.

There is a natural cancer cure series coming up next week on the internet. Watch this and learn what you don't know.... if you want to help your father.

The cancer cure rate of traditional medicine is 3 %.

ATS========ORH=======


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Posted by Bryan T (Washington Dc) on 08/25/2015

So I have had this bcc for what seems to be about a year now. It has turned into a small hole on the side of my cheek. I finally decided to try the vinegar treatment after reading this blog last weekend. I started treatment on Sat night and have stuck with it until today (Tue). The area has become red and inflammed and has a green tint to it. I feel like it has spread and now the whole side of my cheek is really swollen.

Is it working and should I keep up with it?


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 08/26/2015

Bryan T., I don't know what to tell you about vinegar, I have trouble with the smell, so I tried everything else out there. Since mine was growing, even after two years of trying everything, I caved in and had it removed (and have a nice scar to show for it...). But when all is said and done, the only things that seemed to make any positive difference to me, was: green clay, and very short applications of baking soda (any longer, was too painful). The green clay never hurt but works verrrry slowly and this thing was just atop the bridge of my nose, so it was socially awkward to walk around with a green blob on my face.


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Posted by Mike_studio (Canada) on 08/30/2015
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I have had the same success with simple protocol of ACV as Kate mentions. The protocol is almost identical, except I cleaned the area with non food grade 3% peroxide before applying the ACV. It has been almost 8 months, and after the scab fell off, it did leave an indentation, but was using creams to complete the process. I have noticed it has started to come back, I may have not completed the process so will attack it again, but this time will clean area with food grade Peroxide mixed down to 3%.

Yes it will get nasty looking, yes it may burn a little, but keep on the process for at least 2 to 3 weeks, even though my scab feel off with 3 days of applying ACV which was rather quick.

So I am doing it again, may have not caught it all, but the ACV did catch a smaller one on the other side of my nose, and that area completed healed up and looks normal.

ACV works great, yes going to be a little bit painful and sting, but well worth it. I am also going to try the egg plant version as well and make my own mixture.

Will keep people posted as to the outcome of this one, and try to take some pictures again. it has only been day 1 of actually starting it seriously again.

Stay Tuned...


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Posted by Rio (Laguna Beach, Ca) on 03/25/2016

I would think it wise to get the biopsy and see if anything is there or not. I had a biopsy on my chest and they said there were a lot of basal cells. they want to cut it out and do what is called the "mose" procedure. I am terrified.

I will try the vinegar and Hydrogen peroxide and see where this goes.


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Posted by Irene (Yosemite) on 07/25/2016

Thank you!!! You give me hope! Is everything still going good? I have a tiny speck of BCC on my cheek and want to nip this guy in the bud! Am going to try my raw ACV today. I drink it every day too (but lately have stopped to give stomach a break). I do not want to be cut open : | no way jose!


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Posted by Nadia (Chicago Il) on 08/03/2016

Hi Kate, thanks for sharing! Question, did you just dab it with ACV hourly during the day leaving it exposed to the air and then use the bandaid to hold ACV soaked cotton in place for sleep? Also, is your spot still clear?


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Posted by Chelsea (Turner ) on 12/14/2016

I keep seeing people mention Kates protocol for bcc with acv. I can't seem to find her post or the directions on how to do it. Any help in this or links would be great. Thanks!

EC: Hi Chelsea, we attached your post to her thread!


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Posted by Jmj (Los Angeles Ca) on 05/04/2017

Did you ever have Mohs surgery, or did you try this method? I am scheduled for this surgery next week. I am very scared as this is on my nose and I have seen pictures of how they dig it out by the roots. The acv, alternatives to getting rid of it, does it get the root of the cancer so it doesn't spread under the skin?


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Posted by Patricia (New South Wales) on 05/10/2017

I live in Australia, I just went to the skin specialist a few days ago to have a recurring scab on the side of my nose looked at. He examined it for about 2 seconds and told me it was a bcc. My options are to let him scrape it out, or have it cut out and then have to get a skin graft, which he pointed out looks terrible. He told me I would have a scar on the side of my nose which will be white and crater like if he scraped it. I have an appointment to have this done in 2 weeks. Scared to death. Needless to say I have been searching the internet for natural remedies for bcc's. I have started an Apple Cider Vinegar treatment, just dabbing it all day when I think of it, a few times first with peroxide then the acv. 2 nights I have soaked a cotton wad with it and taped it to my nose and slept with it. Something is happening, it has gotten very red around a very small dark scab, stings a bit when dabbing it but nothing too bad, I am going to keep this up for a few more days, then start using the eggplant and Apple Cider Vinegar I have fermenting in the fridge. I'm hopeful, but it is definately worth a shot before I succumb to giving in.

What makes me so mad is the fact that I cannot get curaderm in this country, or any other creams like that, I thought the dermatologist might have prescribed me something like this first before wanting to attack it with a knife. It is even illegal for anyone to sell black salve here. Dr Cham studied at Queensland University for god's sake, and we have so many cases of skin cancer in this country annually, you would think he would be able to market this product here. If I am wrong and anyone knows how to get Curaderm BEC5 here, please respond.


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Posted by Margeaux (Los Angeles, Ca) on 06/28/2017

Hi Patricia,

I see your post is from 2017. I have been posting as of very recently, since I'm trying to find alternatives for a BCC.

I'd be curious to know what has become of your skin issues after having used the ACV. From your description, it sounds as if it was working.

I've been reading about the eggplant cream/recipe, which sounds very good.

Hope it worked out for you,

Margeaux


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Posted by Somersetgirl (Somerset, Uk) on 07/18/2015
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I had a tiny basal cell carcinoma cut out of my forehead 10 years ago and not had any since until now. When suddenly and I mean suddenly, there was one a cm in diameter. I know what a bcc looks like at various stages so have taken no medical advice. I am a qualified homeopath, four years training but retired.

The one cut from my forehead was only a tiny pearl. This one now is a crater type with white margins. I immediately found this forum and set to with the apple cider vinegar, I have the one with the mother inside the bottle. Just two days on and there is a remarkable change. Two white covers, which removed easily and the bcc is just about flat and a very healthy dark pink. A tiny tiny bit of stinging this morning, nothing much. I applied with a (cotton) bud 5 to 6 times in the day and stopped at night.

I await two homeopathic remedies by special delivery this morning as I need now to go via the internal immune route too. I had a very close bereavement 5 months ago and the timing is right for something to have erupted. I cannot name remedies, so please don`t ask.


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Posted by Patti (Owensboro, Ky) on 04/30/2013

I will be very interested to see the pics. I have been using Hemp Oil on my basal/actinic keratosis. This is my second round of AK and first time for basal. Seems to be helping, though not like you are saying. Sounds a lot like the topical chemo I did the first time. Good luck!


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Posted by Nadine (Anchorage, Ak) on 05/14/2013

Could someone please give me the procedure for using Apple Cider Vinegar and Peroxide treatment for basil cell carcinoma. Thank You.


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Posted by Virnie (Philippines) on 06/19/2014

Hi, I'm wondering if it is safe to use the baking soda, apple cider vinegar and hydrogen peroxide in bcc if it is located near the eye area?


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Posted by Kris (Chattanooga, Tn) on 01/03/2015

Could you tell me exactly how you used the vinegar and peroxide?


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Posted by Stephanie ( Naples, Florida) on 04/12/2015

I have a suspected basal cell on my nose and I've been putting a calendula based salve on it along work Apple cider vinegar. For the past two days, I've put a small cotton saturated with Apple cider vinegar on it securing it with a band-aid. Now it's looking white ish like something is going to fall off. Anyone knowledgeable with that here? Is this healing? Guidance, please. :) what's the Apple cider vinegar solution (recipe) to rid of a nasal cell suspect ? Thank you so much.


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Posted by Laken (Alabama) on 06/01/2015

Does anyone have photos of healing process for bcc using apple cider vinegar?


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Posted by Clare (Holland, Mi) on 04/07/2017

Pete, did you apply anything to the scab as it healed?


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Posted by Jhex54 (Florida) on 09/28/2017

That is my question is well Clare. Wondering if I should leave alone for a while.


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Posted by Beth (West Palm Beach, FL) on 04/22/2009

How did you know that the Basil Cell was all gone? Did you have another biopsy done?

I have a already had stage 3 melanoma and have had many Basil cells cut out. I now have a big spot just above my ankle that has to be removed. I am going to a plastic surgeon to have this removed because of the size. I am planning on using the cider vinegar for the next couple weeks prior to having it done in hopes that is becomes smaller so they won't have to take out as much and leave such a big scar.

Please if you can respond to this email that would be great!!
Thank you,
Elizabeth [email protected]


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Posted by Teresa (Sacramento, California) on 12/22/2010

I have had 15 surgeries on my face for basal cell cancer, 7 have been MOHS. My father doesn't have a scarless spot on his face. Yes, western medicine has it's good points, but I'm afraid of looking like a plastic surgery disaster. I've used Efedex and Aldara, had freezing done, etc. But these have only driven the cancer into the deeper layers of my skin (per Derm. ) I too, would like to know if all these claims of healing have been verified by biopsy or the Derm.


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Posted by Tom (Regina, Sk) on 01/25/2011

Teresa:
Have you tried yet a skin cream, comes in a 20ml tube, that was first mentioned back in the mid-1990's by Dr. David Williams? Its active ingredient , a plant molecule glycoalkaloid, was isolated from a natural weed plant in Oz. This molecule is also found in eggplant. In the cream this active compound is called BEC-5, and it's so potent it's in it at 0.005%. It sailed through its clinical trials to approval, and is in fact now an Rx only medicine in many countries, but not USA (yet).

It treats BCC, SCC, actinic keratosis and keratoacanthomas, but not melanoma and does not leave a cratered scar as bloodroot sometimes can do.
You can find vids of this on U-Tube and Google video.

There is at least one USA website, in SanDiego (area code 858) that sells it online. It isn't cheap, about $120/tube.


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Posted by Andrea (Australia) on 06/01/2014

Re: Cream Removed Basal Cell Carcinoma. Hi there, loved your story, just wondering if you have a brand & cream name for the cream you bought, thanks :-)


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Posted by Corinne (Chicago, IL) on 06/05/2014

Hello,

Yes, do you have a brand name of the product you ordered from Australia? thank you so much. =)


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Posted by Gina (Bentonville, AR) on 08/16/2014

Can someone please give me more information about ordering this cream? I recently found a spot on the tip of my nose and do not want to have it cut in to. Hoping to try this cream instead if many have seen positive results. Thank you.


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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn.) on 12/14/2014

HI U GREG, , , , , , , , warned of this in the past but got put down. Black salve certainly works except it can eat a hole as you say. Myself, I have used the egg plant cream, Curaderm, twice with success and once where the cream indicated that it was not a cancer after all.

That is the beauty of Curaderm. If the spot is not a cancer, then it does not turn hard and black. You just stop using.

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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 12/14/2014

Greg, read up about vitamin E for scarring.


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Posted by Jacque10 (Georgia, US) on 12/14/2014

I have had 2 battles with Basal Cell. Hydrogen peroxcide 35% mixed with DMSO works. I follow that up with baking soda paste, and then rub area with lemons followed by coconut oil to preserve area.

First time I used diluted hydrogen peroxcide 35% followed by baking soda paste, lemons and coconut oil. Had success both times.


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Posted by Just Chillin (Vannes, France) on 04/05/2015

Hi to all. It's wonderful to read about your success. I have been treating a place on the tip of my nose with apple cider vinegar ( neat) during the day, and also coconut oil mixed in a paste with bicarb of soda, for when I am indoors and at night. Only yesterday it was looking nice and dry with a little scab, but this morning it had bled and the scab was much darker, I think because it bleeding, so I don't know if I knocked it during the night, or if its part of the healing process. Now it has bled, is it ok to continue or should I leave one or other off for a few days, your help will be very much appreciated. Thank you so much


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Posted by Nanoagain (Hotspot, Texas) on 04/05/2015

JustChillin, I would keep applying and not give it a chance to close up.

Another good thing to use on the bcc is vitamin C powder. Adding vit E and green tea extract works well with the vitamin C.

You should see some black dots and serous fluid when the mixtures are working and be able to remove bits of tissue little by little.


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Posted by Just Chillin (Vannes, France) on 04/16/2015

Thanks so much for your reply, Nanoagain. I will see if I can buy some vitamin c from the chemist. The scab seems to fall of and the process starts again, but each time the original place seems to be reduced. I tend to put the past of bicarb and coconut oil on in the evening, and for the night time, and then the apple cider vinegar during the day. When should I use the vitamin c and how much. When you say remove bits of the tissue, do you mean pick it off.... sounds yuk, but will do whatever it takes. Could I use coconut oil with the vitamin c, or pehaps aloe vera ? thank you so much. I have a wedding to go to in about 6 weeks, I hope it is gone by then xx


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Posted by Nanoagain (Hotspot, Texas) on 04/17/2015

Just Chilling, you're quite welcome. I bought vitamin c powder on Amazon. Make a paste with the vitamin c and a vitamin e capsule. Smear it on the lesion and leave it. In the morning, soak a washcloth in hot water and use it to soften the lesion, which will pull off the dead tissue. Reapply paste.

Green tea extract added to the paste is very good as well, but adds a dark color to the paste over time. The vitamin c and e paste is fairly discrete when out in public.

The sodium bicarbonate I found to be very effective and the aloe Vera as well. I juiced the whole leaf and applied it to my face overnight.

Good luck with your treatment!


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Posted by Clk (Texas) on 04/29/2015

Hello all, I have been getting BCC cut out for years, I'm going to try the ACV but my question is my whole front of leg is covered with bcc so can I use the ASV in large spots? Thank you.


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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 04/30/2015

Clk, are those areas exposed to sun?


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Posted by Lynnie (Devon Uk) on 10/31/2015

How long did you use the Apple Cider Vinegar for & how did you know when to stop that & same question for HP ( how did you know when to start? You said there was a couple of weeks with no applications? I've been using ACV for two weeks on a BCC a centimetre & half in length. For the first time in months the scab didn't fall off after ( the usual) 3 days. Not sure if I should keep using it or give it a break & see what happens. I can see the bumps are still raised under the edges of the scab?


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Posted by Amito (Ponte Tresa, Switzerland) on 01/10/2016

Dear Cathy, I reply to a letter of yours of 5.28.2012. I also seem to have since several years a basiloma on my nose. I read what you say about an australian cream based on glycoalkaloids. Could you tell me more about that cream? What is its name and who is producing it, so I can do a little research and maybe find it here in Europe? Thank you very much. Amito


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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 01/10/2016

HI U AMITO, , , , , , , , , , , , , watch this video and research other sites that use Curaderm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog1ouoAoys

This will not cure Melanoma. You can buy this egg plant cream on the internet.

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Posted by Barbara (Us) on 09/14/2016

Would like your opinion. I have a BCC on my forehead & do not want to go the allopathic way!! I read the book you mention above & ordered Curaderm. I used it faithfully for 1 year & 1/2.... It started looking like it was healing the first few weeks I used it but then it began getting a little worse...I continued using and after 18 months or so I moved on to other treatments...ACV, other creams, now trying baking soda. It is now the size of a quarter (US coin). Do you think I should try Curaderm again? Thanks for listening.



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