Alleviates Nerve and Muscular Issues
★★★★★
I have stage IV cancer with Lepto Menengeal. It has caused several nerve and muscular issues. A friend and I made this lotion and it is incredible. Long story, short; my feet absolutely do not tingle anymore. I use the TML twice daily. The second time we made it using beef tallow instead of cetaphil. That requires a little different method to mix, but I prefer a creamier thicker lotion. Both require some essential oils to overcome the smell. The cetaphil lotion smells like gin and the tallow one smells like beef and required a bit more lavender. The smell does dissipate once it's applied to the skin.
This stuff is amazing. It works! Thank you so very much! What a God send!
Hi Deborah,
You are very welcome!
Thank you very much for the feedback on melatonin lotion and I am sorry to hear of your diagnosis, but very happy that it is helping you so much! The positive feedback I am getting from a growing number of friends who are testing it has been impressive, as are your results!
I would just like to mention that among the myriad of health effects that melatonin has, it also has anticarcinogenic effects of its own as well as synergy with chemo and radiotherapy while helping to reduce the negative effects of chemo and radiotherapy. It also crosses the blood brain barrier when taken orally and possibly topically.
Thank you again, Deborah and best wishes!
Art
Dear Art,
Must the recipe specifically use gin, or can one use vodka in it's place? Thank you for another great post. Happy New Year!
(United States)
08/04/2025
Hey!!! Please tell me what milligram of Bulk Melatonin I should use - 3mg, 5mg, 10mg, etc!!! Can't wait to try this! So Very Grateful for All of your Xcellent articles & commentsâTM¡
Hi PayItForward,
Thank you for saying so!
Yes, vodka can be used in place of gin, however several people who used vodka after trying the gin first, reported that it took more vodka to get the melatonin to fully dissolve than it took for gin. This resulted in the finished lotion being more watery than the gin mix. If that isn't a problem for you, then yes, vodka will work.
Art
Hi Marshagail,
If you read past my friends experience with melatonin lotion (ML), you will see the directions on how to make the lotion. Here is a rewrite of how to make it :
Here are simplified instructions for making a three-ounce batch of melatonin lotion without the need for a milligram scale:
1. Prepare Your Ingredients and Container
- Melatonin powder
- Gin
- Cetaphil Moisturizing Lotion
- A three ounce jar or bottle
2. Measure Melatonin Powder
- Use a baker's one quarter teaspoon measuring spoon to add 1/4 teaspoon that is level full of melatonin powder into the three or four-ounce jar.
3. Add Gin
- Pour one ounce of gin over the melatonin powder in the jar.
4. Mix Melatonin and Gin
- Secure the lid on the jar and shake it well until the gin appears clear, indicating the melatonin has dissolved.
5. Add Cetaphil Lotion
- Add two ounces of Cetaphil lotion to the jar.
6. Final Mixing
- Replace the lid and shake the jar again until the mixture is thoroughly blended.
7. Usage
- Apply the lotion sparingly up to two times a day or to tolerance. The three-ounce batch should last a long time.
This simplified method uses readily available measuring tools and ensures a consistent, easy-to-make lotion.
Art
(iowa)
08/16/2025
Did you buy the melatonin powder in bulk or open capsules? Is there a safe source to purchase the powder from (ie non gmo/organic?)
Hi Cindy,
I use bulk powder to make melatonin lotion (ML). The capsules contain quite a bit of fillers which is not needed in the ML and in fact can make it harder to make because they may not dissolve in the gin and make the lotion feel gritty instead of smooth.
Art
(Australia)
09/12/2025
Melatonin Lotion
Hi
Would love to try this - having issues with muscle pain due to menopause and structural spine issues.
Melatonin recently banned in Australia (except professionally prescribed). Any Aussies know where to purchase this in powder form?
Thanks :-)
Ankle and Foot Swelling
★★★★★
Recently I was talking with a friend who has ongoing ankle swelling that their doctor is trying to determine the cause of and has narrowed it down to heart or liver, but can't determine a treatment until that cause is pinpointed. I suggested to my friend that they try melatonin lotion on their feet and ankles in the meantime to try and reduce the inflammation, pain and swelling that is making it difficult and painful for them to stand or walk.
After 2.5 days they showed me that their ankle swelling had reduced significantly and one ankle and foot looked almost normal while the other was noticeably reduced using two applications sparingly applied per day. This is the most relief they have gotten for their swollen ankles and feet and my friend is very happy to finally get some relief!
Art
Back Pain Relief
★★★★★
Hi Sharron,
Thank you for the feedback on the melatonin lotion! I very much appreciate it! You can try adding more lotion to your mixture to reduce the amount of available melatonin per application and, as my friends did, make sure that you are applying it sparingly. It doesn't seem to take much to be effective and the effectiveness seems to increase with continued applications. You can also try just using less melatonin in your initial mixture.
As far as the tiredness related to the application, I have seen this in some people. It seems that people who are very sensitive to oral melatonin also seem to be more sensitive to topical melatonin. If increasing the lotion content or decreasing the melatonin content doesn't help with the tiredness, about all you can do is try your applications later in the day so the tiredness comes when you would normally expect to start getting tired.
As far as feedback, yes definitely! The more feedback we get on this forum, the better for all of us. You are the first on this forum to give an idea of how it works for you. My friends noticed that the positive effects seem to increase with continued applications. All three are barely finishing their first bottle of lotion.
I have two other friends who started recently and both report positive results so far. Today, a third friend started using it for neck pain that did not respond to borax or the DDD/HA/Stopain remedy, although both of those remedies worked for the desired purposes for her. The neck pain seems to be a separate issue and she said she will let me know later in the week if the lotion is helping her neck issue for which she has no diagnosis.
Thank you again for the important feedback, Sharon!
Art
(North Carolina)
12/04/2023
★★★★★
Hi Art,
Thank you for your response. It has been about a week since I first started applying the melatonin lotion to my lower back twice a day. I decided to apply it to my shoulder as an after thought several days later.
While my shoulder is still causing me pain albeit reduced, I was shocked to wake up this morning with minimal pain in my back. Prior to this I had been applying salon pas lidocaine patches all over my back and shoulders. My skin eventually became hypersensitive to this and I had to be careful not to apply the patches to the same spots on consecutive days. The results I am seeing from the melatonin lotion have been getting better and better with each application. Today was the first time in months that I have been able to get out of bed and function without waiting 3-4 hours for the pain to subside before I could function at all. I am amazed and praying that this is not a fluke.
I would like to clarify why I am applying this lotion, for any of your readers who are wondering if it could possibly help them: I was diagnosed with broad-based disc bulges and spinal canal stenosis and foraminal narrowings in the vertebrae starting in T12-L1 and extending all the way down through L5-S1. There is a severe spinal canal stenosis at L4-5 and L5-S1. I have been in constant pain, unable to sit or lie down comfortably, groaning with every shift in my position. Some days I was unable to walk at all or even take my small dog outside for a short walk. Prior to this I was an very active individual. I spent 3 decades working out in the gym, have my personal trainer's license, spent 1 decade in amateur women's bodybuilding and several years studying tae kwon do. Being so severely restricted in my movements because of back pain has been beyond depressing. I have not been able to continue with chiropractic adjustments because of severe osteoporosis. The physiatrist I saw for help told me that eventually I could expect to be wheelchair-bound and lose the ability to control bowel function, and that the only remedy for pain relief would be spinal fusion, which by the way, he did not recommend. LOL. I don't know anyone who has had relief from their issues after having a spinal fusion, so that was never on the table for me. I understand that pain remedies cannot affect the physical deterioration of the spine, and the doctor's prediction may or may not come to fruition, but the results I am seeing from using this lotion have given me more hope than I have had in a very long time. I am grateful for any relief I can get at this point that allows me to get back to functioning normally. This lotion has been a godsend. I will continue to update you. Thank you for all your posts, Art. I appreciate you.
(Los Angeles)
07/16/2024
Hello,
Could the melatonin recipe be made without the gin? I don't drink alcohol and would prefer not to put in on my body topically. Or is there a substitute product for the gin? Thank you!
Hi Bonnie,
I made lotion without gin. First of you have to make lotion-you can use all kind oil as coconut oil, olive oil......., and you need put bee wax in it to make lotion. I use big pot with water in it, boil water at same time put glass bottle on it, put all kind oil what you like in it, then you put bee wax in it, last step is put melatonin in it. you have to wait let bee wax melt in the oil, then you have using something to mix it to let melatonin completely melted into lotion. I do not know heat will affect melatonin effecting or not. But I used lotion after I made it that the lotion made me sleepiness. I guess heat did not affect melatonin effecting.
Hi Yomama,
Thank you for this important feedback on how well the melatonin lotion is working out for you! I am very happy that you are finally finding some long needed relief! As to the physiatrist you saw, I have several words for that person, but I can't post them here.
You've got multiple spinal issues going on and I am glad the lotion is helping you with them. It is worth mentioning that melatonin is also useful for fighting osteoporosis, as I previously discussed here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/osteoporosis-supplements-art-solbrig.html
And here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/melatonin-for-osteoporosis.html
Something else I have found very useful for bulging discs and degenerative disc disease (DDD), I wrote about here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ddd-art-solbrig.html
It sounds like you are going to be having better days ahead because melatonin can be healing to the body in general and the DDD/HA/Stopain remedy is likely to be additive based on reports on EC and from my friends who have used the combination.
Btw, my friend Lydia, who was one of the three friends that I wrote about, had also used the Salonpas patches and ran into the same sensitivity issue as you after about a few weeks of use and could no longer use them, but she did say that the melatonin lotion was more effective and non-irritating.
The following discusses how melatonin can be beneficial for the spine :
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/melatonin-spine-health.html
Please keep us posted on your great results using melatonin lotion! Also, please update us on how it works for your shoulder pain. Lydia applies the lotion to her whole spine regularly now and I discussed why that might be a good idea here: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/melatonin-spine-health.html
Art
Sharon,
I forgot to ask if you still had a problem with tiredness from the application? If so, how did you work around it?
Art
(Massachusetts)
12/07/2023
Hi Yomama! I was interested in seeing your progress with the TML as I have a friend (62) who, like you, is highly athletic and who is struggling with recently diagnosed stenosis and is in debilitating pain most all the time. I had seen a posting here that referenced a homeopaths recommendation and was able to find the original article with case studies on how two homeopathic remedies turned around stenosis for two of her patients. I'm hoping that my friend will try it and/or MTL but unfortunately she is quite stuck mentally/emotionally to western med. Frustrating. Blessings for your day!
https://homeopathy-allyson.blogspot.com/2020/05/aging-spines-feel-young-again.html
"From Earth Clinic (https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/spinal_stenosis.html#mr):
Spinal Stenosis Cure that absolutely works, never do back surgery, the doctors are not good enough yet and they will ruin your nerves terribly! Dr. Debra Katchen, MD and homeopathic doctor wrote an article “Aging Spines Feel Young Again” (unfortunately, homeopathy.org makes you become a member $ 75 to get into their website for the article but I use this remedy so I put it in my phone. Here it is, dirt cheap, need to do for six months and then I would do it every few years to keep the stenosis away, there is a lady on Youtube who also did it and has a testimonial how great it worked...
Take one tablet of strength 30C HEKLA LAVA pills in a 6 oz glass of distilled or purified water, let it dissolve, put in fridge and daily take 2 teaspoons (am and on preferably) and in addition, take four tablets under your tongue of CALCAREA FLUORICA strength 6X once a day for 6 months. (Amazon, iherb, Swanson, Vitacost to compare prices, there is a company brand Hyland in these small like chapstick containers is pretty popular but other companies have those pills). You will start feeling better about 3 months in but continue for the 6 months. Really, really works!!"
Hi Judith,
I just wanted to mention that I used the homeopathic remedy that you are referring to for two friends with spinal stenosis. It cured one friend, but did not help the other. The friend that it did not help had multiple diagnosed spinal issues including cervical spinal stenosis and that may be why it did not help that friend. The friend that it did help had a diagnosis of only lumbar spinal stenosis.
Art
(USA)
12/10/2023
thank you, Art! she has lower back stenosis - L5
(Michigan)
12/25/2023
Hi Art,
I have breast cancer and would like to know what dosage the melatonin would be. I was thinking of applying it directly over the breast. I am trying to get up to the 300 mg a day that is supposed to stop the metastes but can't afford the number of pills that would take. Any help would be greatly appreciated and thank you for all your informative advice on this site. God Bless!
Hi Carol,
The melatonin lotion uses gin and melatonin in an amount that is at least a saturated solution before the lotion is added to the gin and melatonin, so there is no room to add any more melatonin to that mix anyway.
According to the original three friends who use it, it is more effective for them than taking 100 mg of oral melatonin which offered them no pain relief at all for the issues that they reported about, so it must be a fairly potent locally delivered dose they are getting from the lotion, but adding more melatonin to the gin is not likely to be additive.
I take 132 mg of melatonin per day and it offers me no pain relief that I am able to discern, but the lotion absolutely does which tends to suggest that it is reaching very high local levels that my 132 mg of oral melatonin can not!
Art
(Michigan)
12/27/2023
Hi Art,
Thank you so much for your answer about the lotion. Just wondering if you could help with what supplements to take. I'm currently taking:
500 mg Berberine 3x a day.
400mg quercetin 3x a day.plus resveratrol. Not sure dosage. Vitamin C 1000 mg 3-4x a day Lysine1000 mg. 3-4x a day. One multi vitamin per day. minerals, herbal extracts with milk thistle, chaparral, dandelion root, pau de arco and others.
400 mg Oregano tablets. Grape Seed extract and the melatonin as much as I can afford. Have done the castor oil wraps and want to try ivermectin or fenben but not sure which I should try or the dosage. Trying to juice but have an old juicer that doesn't do a great job but better than nothing. Anyway, if you or anyone else has any other ideas I would greatly appreciate hearing them. Thanks again for everything you do!
Hi Carol,
Of course I am of the opinion that melatonin seems relevant in the discussion of any type of cancer because of its multiple methods of action when it comes to cancer. There are many studies which discuss these methods of action of melatonin, so I have not linked to those as you have probably already read many of them.
I will link to a few studies that may be of interest to you :
HESPERIDIN
https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/28/13/5152
Here is a relevant study quote :
Hesperidin, a flavonoid commonly found in citrus fruits, with its potential antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and hepatoprotective properties, and cardio-preventive factor for disease prevention, is well-known. Furthermore, its anticancer potential has been suggested to be a promising alternative in cancer treatment or management through the modulation of signal transduction pathways, which includes apoptosis, cell cycle, angiogenesis, ERK/MAPK, signal transducer, and the activator of transcription and other cell signaling molecules. Moreover, its role in the synergistic effects with anticancer drugs and other natural compounds has been described properly. The present article describes how hesperidin affects various cancers by modulating the various cell signaling pathways.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jcmm.17902
Here is a relevant study quote :
Hesperidin showed significant anti-angiogenesis and anti-proliferative effects in mice bearing 4T1 breast cancer, suggesting this compound as a potential treatment either with or without standard treatment (doxorubicin) to be used in future clinical research. The role of hesperidin as an inhibitor of angiogenesis, tumour growth and metastasis was confirmed in this study. It is suggested to consider clinical studies to investigate the effects of this agent in humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8626310/
A relevant quote from the review :
In summary, hesperidin and its aglycone hesperetin have good in vitro anti-cancer activities in BC models based on their inhibition of cell proliferation, migration (hesperidin only) and BCSCs (hesperidin only) as well as their induction of apoptosis and cell cycle arrest. In in vivo BC models, they exert their anti-cancer effects by inhibiting tumour growth, metastasis (hesperidin only) and neoplastic changes in tissue architecture (hesperidin only). The co-administration of hesperidin with doxorubicin or tamoxifen as well as the co-administration of hesperetin with doxorubicin or letrozole can enhance the anti-BC effects of the clinically available anti-cancer drugs.
PIPERINE
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/ptr.7291
A relevant quote from the review :
Piperine (PIP) is an alkaloid found primarily in Piper longum, and this natural compound has been shown to exert effects on proliferation and survival against various types of cancer. In particular, PIP has potent inhibitory effects on breast cancer (BC), the most prevalent type of cancer in women worldwide. PIP targets numerous signaling pathways associated with the therapy of BC cells through the following mechanisms: (a) induction of arrest of the cell cycle and apoptosis; (b) alteration of the signaling protein expression; (c) reduction in transcription factors; and (d) inhibition of tumor growth. BC cells have the ability to resist conventional drugs, so one of the strategies is the combination of PIP with other phytochemicals such as paclitaxel, thymoquinone, hesperidin, bee venom, tamoxifen, mitoxantrone, piperlongumin, and curcumin.
So the above article suggests that while piperine has anticancer effects, it may also work with hesperidin and curcumin against cancer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7432303/
Here is a relevant study quote :
In conclusion, this study demonstrated that resveratrol, curcumin and piperine exposure results in cytotoxic effects in MCF-7 cells, associated with decreasing GLO1 activity and mitochondrial cell damage. Other aspects involving the action of these compounds in glyoxalase system enzyme expression as well as the mRNA expression of glyoxalases 1 and 2 should be further investigated as chemotherapeutic targets.
CURCUMIN
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10679154/
Here is a relevant quote from the link :
Curcumin can be very effective and free of severe toxicity75. Curcumin has multiple medicinal properties and can interact with several molecular targets and intracellular signaling pathways76. However, poor bioavailability limits its therapeutic effects. Curcumin analogs and their various formulations, including nanoparticles and liposomes, are extensively studied for maximum effectiveness.77, 78.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10675183/
Here is a relevant quote from the link :
The positive feedback loop in the breast TME contributes to the aggravation of cancer. Particularly, EMT facilitates the invasive and metastatic potential of tumors, which can be mediated by the NF-κB signaling pathway [46]. During EMT, cellular behavior undergoes notable shifts, with diminished expression of epithelial markers and increased mesenchymal-like phenotype [47]. To evaluate the impact of Cur-CM on EMT, the migratory and invasive capabilities of MCF7 cells were determined. Remarkably, treatment with Cur-CM significantly reduced the mobility and migration potential of MCF7 cells compared with Con-CM treatment. To further explore the molecular mechanism underlying such a phenotype, we examined the expression levels of EMT markers. E-cadherin, an epithelial cell marker, was upregulated following Cur-CM treatment. In contrast, the expression of N-cadherin and fibronectin, both indicators of mesenchymal characteristics, was significantly downregulated after Cur-CM treatment. These results explained that curcumin modulated the EMT by disrupting the CXCL12/CXCR4-mediated transformation of ADMSCs into CAFs and suppressing the breast TME from further progression.
Since you mentioned that you are already taking Resveratrol and Quercetin, the following mouse model of breast tumor study may be of interest to you since it used those two in combination with Curcumin in the study and it gives human equivalency dosing :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10432483/
Here is a relevant study quote :
BALBc mice were injected 2 × 105 4T1 cells subcutaneously. The treatment plan was divided into three types. The mice in the Treated A group were given RCQ by intragastric administration for 30 days after subcutaneous injection of 4T1 breast cancer cells. The mice in the Treated B group were consumed RCQ for 15 days for prevention, then injected subcutaneously with 4T1 breast cancer cells and continued to gavage RCQ for 30 days. The mice in the Treated C group were consumed RCQ for 30 days for prevention, then injected subcutaneously with 4T1 breast cancer cells, and continued to gavage RCQ for 30 days. Each mouse was fed 60 mg kg−1 orally five times a week, 200 μL each time. RCQ in PBS plus 1% DMSO was prepared by dilution from Res, Cur, and Que solutions in DMSO. The control group was fed with PBS plus 1% DMSO. From Monday through Friday, RCQ was given to the mice five times a week, once per day. In previous studies, the non-toxic dose of these antitumor polyphenols in tumor mice was generally between 5–140 mg kg−1. In this study, the dose of RCQ was 60 mg kg−1 (including 24 mg kg−1 Res, 24 mg kg−1 Cur, and 12 mg kg−1 Que), which was the non-toxic dose. Grapes contain the highest content of polyphenols, which can reach 50–100 mg kg−1. The recommended dosage for humans is 0.3–1 g per day, equivalent to 3 kg of grapes, but full amounts of polyphenols can be obtained by taking extract capsules. According to the body surface area method, the conversion factors between different animals and humans are different. The dose given to mice was about 12.3 times that given to humans. 60 mg kg−1 (including 24 mg kg−1 Res, 24 mg kg−1 Cur, and 12 mg kg−1 Que) translated into an edible human dose of 738 mg/day (including 295.2 mg Res, 295.2 mg Cur, and 147.6 mg Que). On the other hand, applying allometric principles and taking different caloric demands of mice and humans into account66–68, it is possible that, related to body weight, humans need an approximately 5–10-fold lower dose of RCQ than mice for an effect. Therefore, the intake of RCQ for humans can be reduced as appropriate.
WARNING
Regarding melatonin, it dissolves better in DMSO than ethanol, but DMSO can carry unwanted chemicals through the skin so it would not be compatible with other ingredients such as the Cetaphil lotion itself might have. I'm just adding this warning because you may have been thinking of trying to increase the amount of melatonin in the lotion through other means.
Art
(Michigan)
01/04/2024
Hi Art,
Thank you so much for all of the information. I have ordered the hesperidin and I have the curcumin and resveratrol. Haven't ordered the piperine yet but will when I can. God bless you for your generosity in helping everyone you that you do. I will keep you posted on my results. And thanks again for all you do to help others!
(Zürich)
02/05/2024
(Michigan)
02/25/2024
Hi M-L Bloch,
Thank you so much for the suggestion regarding B17.
I will definitely try it! I wish I were in Sunny Zurich. We don't have many sunny days in Michigan in winter. Thanks again, Carol
Hi Bonnie,
I chose gin as the solvent for the melatonin powder because it is much safer than using something like isopropyl alcohol or DMSO, it is relatively inexpensive and it is easy to find and purchase. Gin can be consumed, but isopropyl alcohol is poisonous to consume. My intent was to make it easy for people to test and use melatonin lotion.
In order to be most effective, the melatonin has to be dissolved before adding the lotion. If you just add the melatonin powder to the lotion without dissolving it first, the lotion will be significantly weaker or possibly be ineffective.
There are other solvents that can be used, but they are harder to acquire and generally cost more to buy. Your best bet, if you don't want to use gin is to ask a compounding pharmacy to make up a melatonin lotion for you using a non gin solvent, but keep in mind that most solvents have the potential for side effects. As an example, another solvent that can dissolve melatonin is dimethyl formamide (DMF) which is readily absorbed through the skin and is thought to have the potential to cause liver damage. With the the lotion made with gin, the gin evaporates fairly quickly once applied to the skin.
Another solvent that can dissolve melatonin powder is DMSO, but DMSO can carry many molecules through the skin. I think there are many molecules in many lotions that would be unhealthful to carry through the skin into the body in any meaningful amounts.
If you decide to try a compounding pharmacy, please let us know your results.
Art
Hi Art, I have been using the melatonin lotion and it seems to help. I have breast cancer for the 2nd time in 5 years. Doing great on natural remedies according to my oncologist. Tumor has only grown by .5cm in 2 years and has not spread. I also have a degenerative brain disease, spinal degeneration, arthritis in the neck and Thalassemia A minor, plus several other health problems. I had been looking into dissolving melatonin in DMSO. I have used DMSO for over 20 years but would really like to dissolve melatonin in it specifically for my breast tumor. I usually apply DMSO right after I shower so as to have the area as clean as possible. Can you please assist as to how much of each, will it keep or should I just make it as I use it. Thanks, my brain doesn't work as well as it used to, to do calculations.
Hi Anna,
You have a lot going on in terms of your health. I will try to discuss each one. For this reply, I have some questions for you first. I am glad to hear that the tumor is growing so slowly!
1. Have we talked previously on EC? You seem familiar?
2. What supplements are you currently taking?
3. What supplements have you previously tried for the BC?
4. You said melatonin lotion seems to help, but you have so many health issues, could you be more specific about what you think it is helping? It is useful for spinal issues. It does ultimately go systemic so that means it can reach just about anywhere in the body, including the brain. Melatonin can also be beneficial for arthritis in the spine including the neck. Melatonin is also beneficial for degenerative discs of the spine. Melatonin has multiple anticancer effects that have shown to synergize with certain chemo therapeutics as well as radiotherapy while also offering some protective effects against the known negative effects of these two anticancer modalities.
5. Can you give more info on the degenerative brain disease?
6. My understanding is that the body can try and work around Thalassemia minor and it is not usually a problem, but it can be passed on to offspring. Is my understanding correct?
Anything I discuss with you here in this reply post, you will have to get your oncologist's and doctor's approvals and supervision before you test them.
Before we discuss DMSO, I would like to say that I have found that I can dissolve 1/2 teaspoon of melatonin in 1.5 ounces of gin and then top the three ounce bottle off with 1.5 ounce of Cetaphil lotion, making for a significantly higher (double) melatonin concentration lotion. You might want to give consideration to that option before moving toward DMSO. The fact that you are controlling the tumor growth so effectively suggests that you have a very good regimen already and perhaps all that is needed is a slight tweak of that regimen to get to a more optimal response.
DMSO is a more potent solvent for melatonin than gin and will allow you to make a stronger melatonin solution than is possible with gin or other forms of ethanol. Probably about 3/4 teaspoon of melatonin in an ounce of DMSO. DMSO itself, does have some anticancer effects.
Silver nanoparticles (AgNPs) have shown efficacy against breast cancer cells and animal models and DMSO can act as a transdermal penetration enhancer for the AgNPs. It is my experience that it takes a minimum of about a 55% to 60% DMSO + 40% to 45% AgNPs mix to allow the DMSO to have penetrant enhancing qualities without being to irritating to the skin. Lotion would no longer be an option due to the many chemicals contained in lotion that the DMSO would likely transport also.
The following link describes an animal study that tested AgNPs being used on an animal model of BC as well as AgNPs being used with :
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11987408/
Here is a relevant study quote :
' To conclude, AuNPs, AgNPs, AuNPs/TQ, and AgNPs/TQ may hold great promise as potential nanoparticle-based therapies for cancer treatment. Additionally, provides numerous benefits compared to conventional cancer therapies, such as selectivity and minimal side effects. Additionally, AuNPs, AuNPs/TQ, AuNPs/TQ + CP, AgNPs, AgNPs/TQ, or AgNPs/TQ + CP can specifically target tumor tissues, suppress tumor growth, extend the lifespan of tumor-bearing mice, and minimize cytotoxic effects on normal tissues, relative to the administration of free CP alone. More research is needed to understand the mechanisms of these nanoparticle-based therapies in clinical and optimize their use as cancer therapies. '
Since melatonin and AgNPs have different mechanisms of action that may be contrary to each other, side by side use does not seem like an optimal approach. I think a rotation schedule might be a better consideration. Perhaps alternating in one or two week intervals of each. Melatonin is a potent antioxidant and radical scavenger through direct and indirect methods of action. Whereas, a main method of action that AgNPs utilize to work against cancer cells is oxidative stress. If you take melatonin and AgNPs together, the melatonin is likely to work against the oxidative stress caused by the AgNPs.
So these are reasonable measures that you can discuss with your oncologist and doctor to see if they agree and will support you in your efforts toward a safer means of dealing with the BC.
Lastly, regarding arthritis in your neck and elsewhere, I recently posted this borax lotion recipe here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/art-solbrig-topical-arthritis-lotion.html
It is worth mentioning that borax/boric acid also have anticancer effects as discussed here:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36940038/
Here is a relevant quote from the link :
' These findings suggest that both SPP and SPT suppressed proliferation and induced apoptosis in MCF7 and MDA-MB-231 cancer cell lines through downregulation of the monopolar spindle-one-binder (MOB1) protein. On the other hand, these molecules increased the expression of PD-L1 protein through their effect on the phosphorylation level of Yes-associated protein (Phospho-YAP (Ser127). In addition, they reduced the concentrations of pro-inflammatory cytokines such as IFN-γ and cytolytic effector cytokines such as sFasL, perforin, granzyme A, Granzyme B, and granulysin and increased the expression of PD-1 surface protein in activated T cells. In conclusion, SPP, SPT, and their combination could have growth inhibitory (antiproliferative) effects and could be a potential treatment for breast cancer. However, their stimulatory effects on the PD-1/PD-L1 signaling pathway and their effects on cytokines could ultimately account for the observed repression of the charging of specifically activated effector T cells against breast cancer cells. '
Again the above information will require your oncologist's and doctor's approvals and supervision in order for you to test them.
Art
1. I do not believe, or remember talking previously on EC.
2. Currently taking Astaxanthin, Vitamin D-3 & K2, DIM, Zinc Bis-Glycinate, Gamma E mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols, Selenium, R-ALA, Milk Thistle, Trans Resveratrol and 6 bitter apricot kernels. Mind you, I have had to get off my supplements 2 or 3 times because my doctor said my liver enzymes were very high, which they never had been before. Finally figured out that it was probably the creosote and maybe the serrapeptase that were causing liver enzymes to elevate because they came back down. I had just started taking those recently but was not taking liver supplements like the Milk Thistle. I have changed my regimen several times but the one thing that has been consistent throughout is that I use my frequency generator every night with scans and also different frequencies during the day like detox. I also have done nebulized colloidal silver, I have 2 ozone generators but I'm on and off on that and I use red light therapy. I also have a vibration board and Chi machine but also I forget or get lazy. I have a lot of trouble staying focused and I have no help.
4. I had been having itching (middle of back) and pain in my left shoulder blade but no one, Oncologist, general practitioner, and I had 2 CT scans done, could tell me what it was. When I started applying the melatonin lotion the pain and itching subsided drastically. I also apply it pretty much to all my body, legs because I have bad vericose veins which I have had all my life and had neuropathy so bad around 10 years ago that I had couldn't even wear any clothes, went to the ER twice within 5 days and they couldn't do anything. Turns out I had disc problems and had several MRI's, won't get into that fiacso, and the neurologist ended up telling me I had been having mini seizures for over 10 years. Fast forward to 2020 when, long story but we ended up moving out in the middle of nowhere Texas, away from all our family and I down and couldn't undertand how or why. Went to the doctor, and had an MRI and he yelled at me and asked if I smoke. Well no, and he said I have microvascular brain disease (white brain matter) and have been having mini strokes for the last 10 years. So that makes it over 20 years I have been having seizures or strokes. So which is it, seizures or strokes? No one will confirm, and I have asked. I also have Thalassemia A minor. which I found out after my first breast cancer full body scan in 2021. Would've been nice to have known that when I was having children. OK, that's my brain and my legs, I also have the degenerative back also found out in 2021 and arthritis in the neck and the idiot oncologist, who I refuse to see anymore, took 4 lymph nodes out of my left arm even though I told him not to and they tested 4 times and said they were not "involved". So I just slather, lightly, the melatonin lotion every night and sometimes when I remember in the mornings.
5. I do not know how bad the microvascular brain disease is because the first doctor yelled at me which I took as it's pretty bad, and another doctor told me that everybody has mini strokes. I assume it's hereditary because my aunt told me my grandmother passed with dementia and my uncle found out he had microvascular brain disease the same time I did and he passed a few months later, of course he was older than me and an alcoholic.
6. Yes, from my research because my hematologist won't tell me more, is that it is manageable but I do get anemia and cold feet every so often but doctor said I do not have anemia.
My balance is very bad but I do not know what the reason is because no doctor knows. When I was using DMSO consistently on my vericose veins, I did notice they were diminishing and then winter came, our OLD house is very cold, and I quit using it. I have used DMSO as a mouth rinse because I also have a few bad teeth that a dental school really messed me us but red light therapy works really well but unfortunately my device broke and I do not have the money to buy a new one. COVID really drained us both financially and physically. I did try hydrogen peroxide protocol, The One Minute Cure by Madison Cavanaugh but halfway through our refrigerator broke :( BUT my blood pressure was normal for awhile!!!! Need to do that again but I forget and it's doesn't taste very appealing.
I was taking liposomal vitamin C several times a day which I make my own; melatonin 180 mg, L-Theanine 500 mg and niacin (I forget how much) and CBD/CBG/CBN at night but again, that is so much to keep up with and I forget. I did try Borax, Methylene Blue, Lugols Iodine and so many other things, not all at the same time and I still have most of the supplements in case I get to thinking or learn something new that motivates me to take them. Sorry it is so long. I'm sure I am missing some things, oh and I do have SIBO and H Pylori which I got so sick after having a colonoscopy, I kid you not, right after I left the hospital was so sick and they found out I have H Pylori and SIBO. I refuse to take their pills but I am going to try making the SIBO yogurt by Dr. Davis. I have taken and made my own Kefir, kombucha and and microgreens/sprouts in the past but our house is so cold in winter and hot in the summer and very dusty that it doesn't survive for long. And again, money is tight, so I can't afford to keep buying the grains all the time which are hard to find in my part of the world. I also use DMSO in my eyes and now I can't see with my contacts and use my glasses only for reading when I have to. I also have minor macular degeneration, glaucoma and cataracts but very minor and have not changed for the past 20 years or so, because I keep records. So I must be doing something right. Have been doing natural remedies for over 20 years. I also have a portable FIR sauna that I use when I remember. Luckily I had acquired/bought most of the big/more expensive items before I got cancer and so sick but our house is not grounded so it's hard to use the red light therapy because they told me it is not adviseable to use it ungrounded. And we only have 1 or 2 outlets per room. But I am still alive! Thank God. I do believe he was guiding me to acquire the expensive items before we went broke.
Hi Marshagail,
Melatonin has very poor solubility in castor oil. Not enough melatonin will dissolve in castor oil to offer the benefits discussed in the original article.
Art
Hi AnnaM,
Yes, I realized it was someone else that I was thinking of who had breast cancer, after I came across our conversation after I had replied to you.
That is a very useful group of supplements you are working with and it looks like you have done your homework!
Wow, that is a lot you are dealing with!
It's been awhile since I replied to you and I was wondering how you were doing.
As far as the peripheral neuropathy pain, melatonin lotion should help for that too. It also has nerve reparative effects with longer term daily use. If you read the original ML article and replies you are already aware of some of its many uses. A recent finding in a friend is that topically applied over the heart area, it helped calm his pounding heart arrythmia and allows him to go right to sleep. within about 15 minutes. Topically applied like that, it accumulates in the stratum corneum and is released over an approximate 24 hour period into the blood. Yes, it goes systemic when topically applied. Melatonin has also shown benefit for stroke recovery. The science is very limited (animal studies), but melatonin and Apigenin may also be helpful with seizures.
It may also be useful for the breast cancer as discussed here :
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12133437/
Here is a very important quote from the link that should definitely interest you:
' MLT produced by the pineal gland activates the sleep-wake cycle and exhibits a broad range of other activities, including antioxidant, immunomodulatory, anti-inflammatory, anti-metastatic, antiproliferative, antineoplastic, antiestrogenic, and anticarcinogenic effects. Indeed, there is a significant amount of data from clinical and laboratory trials that show MLT can exhibit anticarcinogenic activity against cancer, including apoptosis, oncostatic, antiproliferative, and antineoplastic properties. MLT inhibits initiation, progression, and metastasis in cancer. It is an important medication against cancer because it may trigger several anticancer mechanisms in breast cancer. The peculiar feature of MLT is the fact that it prevents entrance of cancer cells into the circulatory system and forbids them from spreading in the distant regions. '
As far as SIBO, 5 of the best supplements I am aware of are garlic extract, berberine, oregano oil soft gels, probiotics and digestive enzymes that also contain betaine HCI.
Balance issues can be a lot of different things, but one simple one you can easily test is the Epley Maneuver as discussed here to realign the ear crystals :
https://youtu.be/2NmXXPZFHnc?si=Vbtlm8ayeUjHAzrc
When you say frequency generator, are you referring to a Scenar Therapy device? I have used it, if that is what you are referring to, but it requires a lot of time and effort and it isn't cheap so I don't usually recommend it.
To help with focus, methylene blue is sometimes helpful in sharpening that up. It may have potential for gut microbiome issues, but the science isn't really there.
The pain and itching are ML regulars. It is also helpful for atopic dermatitis. Quite useful for neck pain and other spinal issues as melatonin has spinal reparative qualities including beneficial effect on spinal discs. shoulder pain sometimes originates in the neck area of the spine and if applying the ML to the neck relieves the shoulder pain, that will be a huge clue. Melatonin has also shown to cross the blood brain barrier (BBB) and reduce inflammation and oxidative stress in the brain. These are two very brain damaging components in many neurodegenerative diseases, so knocking them down is very important. In some cases melatonin has helped improve circulation in the hands and feet which may be helpful for cold feet, but low iron/anemia is a common cause of cold feet, but your doctor says that is not your problem. I don't have any experience with it yet, but melatonin has shown some benefit with certain vascular issues. Melatonin has shown some benefit with age related macular degeneration. I use melatonin gel instead of lotion as I am able to apply it on my face closer to my eyes without irritation. The gel has less other ingredient and is made the same way as the ML, just substituting aloe vera gel for the lotion in the original mix.
The astaxanthin you are taking is a very useful supplement!
If you decide to try anything that I mentioned above, because of your multiple health issues, you will need to get approval and supervision from your doctor first in order to be safe!
I tried to answer everything you mentioned, but I'm sure I missed things. Good luck and keep us posted on how your recovery goes!
Art
Hi again, AnnaM,
I forgot to mention that the shoulder pain and itching can be caused by nerve issues that often times originate at the spine and melatonin helps with nerve repair. I believe it is called Notalgia Paresthetica (NP) and melatonin has shown potential to help, as you have seen!
Art
Back, Neck & Knee Pain
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Can I substitute Alcohol (70%) with GIN to mix with naproxen?
Hi Peter,
Thank you for adding your results with melatonin lotion for your wife to this thread. Always good to hear how it is working for people.
I think in the long run, you will get a better total effect by substituting melatonin lotion for topical naproxen because melatonin has shown potential reparative effects compared to naproxen which only has pain relieving effects. I also am seeing that the melatonin lotion has cumulative effects with regular use that may ultimately exceed naproxen's pain relieving effects. A very important point about melatonin lotion that I have not discussed yet on EC is that it goes systemic in such a way that it may be more beneficial than high dose oral melatonin for our health. I will discuss that point more in a future post, but this feature of melatonin lotion is very important for our health in many ways.
If you want to continue using naproxen anyway, then gin will also work as the solvent, but I would take melatonin lotion any day over naproxen topical mix that I mentioned to you months ago.
Continued improved health to you and your wife!
Art
Broad Benefits
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https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/topical-melatonin-pain-relief-success-stories.html
To update on one of the original 3 testers, Al, who had neck pain in several areas of the neck as well pain that radiated out from the neck to the shoulders and tightness on the right side of the spine.
Al recently informed me that he has not had to use melatonin lotion for any of the problems that he reported in the beginning for about five months now after twice daily sparing applications to his problem areas. I am mentioning this because it tends to confirm the many studies that suggest that melatonin has reparative effects on the spine, muscles and bones.
This morning I received a text message from another friend who has had a myriad of successes using melatonin lotion for many uses such as eczema, neck and spine pain as well as migraine headaches. This is a copy of the text she sent me :
' I wanted to let you know that I found another use for the melatonin rub....drum roll.... Hemorrhoids...it does wonders! '
She went on to say that it offers relief almost immediately and gradually shrinks the hemorrhoids.
This adds further to the list of 40 melatonin lotion benefits that have been reported and brings the list closer to 44 or 45 effective remedies as I wrote about here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/topical-melatonin-advantages-pain-management-guide.html
So that is the first two updates for melatonin lotion in 2025!
Art
For anyone who decides to try melatonin lotion as my friend did successfully for hemorrhoids, I would consider substituting aloe vera gel for the Cetaphil Lotion in the original melatonin lotion. The reason for this is because the rectum can have higher absorption qualities and Cetaphil Lotion has a fairly long ingredient list, while aloe vera gel has much less in the way of extra ingredients. Aloe vera also has potential transdermal penetration enhancing qualities which may help the melatonin absorb around the hemorrhoid better for faster results.
The aloe vera/melatonin mix is what I use for my face because I can apply it near my eyes without the irritation that the melatonin/Cetaphil lotion can cause. Both the aloe vera gel and the melatonin are very good for the skin as discussed in the links below :
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/aloe-vera-for-face
Here is a relevant quote from the article about the qualities of aloe vera gel for skin :
' its anti-inflammatory properties can reduce pain, swelling, and soreness of wounds or injuries
- it supports the production and release of collagen
- it can speed upTrusted Source wound healing time and limits scarring
- it reducesTrusted Source the healing time of first-degree and second-degree burns
- it is effective in treating fungal and bacterial infectionsTrusted Source
- it has an antioxidant effect that can help repair sun damage and slow down the aging process of the skin
- it protects the skin from the damaging effects of radiation therapy
- it contains 98% water, which helps moisturize, soothe, and hydrate the skin
- it helps to make the skin more flexibleTrusted Source and supple, rather than stiff and leathery
- It has a cooling effect on rashes or sunburns '
As for melatonin, the following link gives relevant details of its benefits for skin :
Here is a relevant quote from the link :
' Melatonin can be synthesized and metabolized in the skin.
Melatonin has anti-inflammatory, antioxidation, and oncostatic effects in the skin.
Melatonin also exerts immunoregulatory and photoprotective effects in the skin.
Topical application of melatonin could be used to treat skin disorders. '
Here is a link that explains how to make melatonin lotion easily at home :
https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/topical-melatonin-pain-relief-success-stories.html
Art
Jaw Fracture Pain
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My friend called me and asked if I could suggest anything to help him with the pain caused by the fractures that was keeping him up at night. I gave him a bottle of melatonin lotion and told him to apply it sparingly twice a day and it should relieve the pain and allow him to get better sleep.
I further told him that the lotion is likely to help his fractures heal because melatonin seems to promote bone healing and repair as discussed here :
Here is a relevant quote from the link :
' Moderate osteogenesis and angiogenesis is involved in both bone repair and fracture healing (25). Currently, accumulating evidence has indicated the associations between melatonin and osteogenesis. ' ( osteogenesis = the formation of bone)
I got a text from my friend today and he said that the lotion has greatly reduced his pain and allows him to sleep very well. He also asked me if he could use the lotion for other body areas where he has pain, but he did not elaborate on what areas he was referring to and I told him it might help and to try it. I also mentioned that it may also help with healing of the fracture. He was very happy and said he will keep applying it!
Art
Melatonin Lotion Feedback
Hi GertJr,
Yes, vodka can work as substitute for gin, however a friend recently wrote me that when she ran out of gin, she tried using vodka to make her melatonin lotion and for some reason, she found that it required significantly more vodka to dissolve the melatonin and this ultimately made the finished lotion much more watery. Both products were labeled 80 proof, so it is hard to understand this discrepancy. She said she would go back to gin in her future batches as she is having very good benefit from the lotion she had been making with gin.
It is important to dissolve the melatonin in order to end up with an effective melatonin lotion.
Please come back and let us know how melatonin lotion works for you.
Art
(USA)
04/29/2025
I'm curious about the melatonin strength in the lotion? On Amazon I found PURE (brand name) and it's 20 mg and advertised as - NOT FOR SLEEP, but cellular healing. Your thoughts, experience or recommendation? TY
Hi Debra,
For the easy mix that I described, each ounce contains approximately 250 mg of melatonin and the breakdown looks somewhat like this :
3 oz. = 750 mg melatonin
2 oz. = 500 mg
1 oz. = 250 mg
3/4 oz. = 187.5 mg
1/2 oz. = 125 mg
1/4 oz. = 62.5 mg
1/8 oz. = 31.25 mg
1/16 oz. = 15.625 mg
You are trying to compare a 20 mg capsule of melatonin to the lotion and they are not really comparable because with oral melatonin only about 3% is bioavailable to the body and it is pretty much done within 5 hours in the body. Whereas topically applied melatonin lotion (ML) or melatonin gel (MG) accumulate in the stratum corneum layers and then release over an approximate 24 hour period, somewhat similar to a patch. ML and MG also reach much higher local tissue levels. As an example of how this makes a significant difference between ML and oral melatonin, a friend who had liver cancer would get pain in the area of his liver that 360 mg of oral melatonin could not touch, but ML applied directly over the liver area could stop the pain very effectively in less than 5 minutes.
I have written a lot about the health value of melatonin on EC and you can find much of it by searching the index. Melatonin is protective of the major organs while be anti inflammatory and a potent scavenger of reactive oxygen species. It helps fight the toxicity of heavy metals as well as helping to protect against ionizing radiation among many other health benefits that it offers to humans, animals and plant life. It also is a cancer fighter through multiple methods of action.
Art
Melatonin Lotion Feedback
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I dissolved the melatonin first in the gin in a beaker with the magnetic stirrer. I separately dissolved the capsule of HA in distilled water in another beaker before adding it to the melatonin/gin. Once mixed, I then poured the concoction into an empty glass spray bottle and tested it on my hands.
One spray was a perfect amount for the top of each hand. It absorbed rapidly and left behind silky soft skin.
- 1 gram of melatonin powder
- 1.5 oz of distilled water
- 1.5 oz of gin
- One hyaluronic acid capsule (60 mg per capsule)
- Gram Scale : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TBJBFRK
- Magnetic Stirrer: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072K24X5P
- Glass Beaker Set (small): https://www.amazon.com/Borosilicate-Measuring-Set-V-Shaped-Kitchen-Restaurant/dp/B0BC7QZFX6
- Hyaluronic Acid: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013OUKO8
- Melatonin Powder: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JV46FFU/
- Gin - local liquor store
I'll update later on pain relief and skin improvement and whether or not the formula clogged the spray nozzle! Thank you, Art! Very excited to try this.
Melatonin Lotion Feedback
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1. Is it safe to use Cetaphil Moisturizing Lotion long-term, given its chemical make-up?
2. Would using virgin coconut oil be a safer alternative to Cetaphil?
3. Since we use vodka in place of alcohol, would substituting vodka for the gin give the same positive results?
Thanks in advance for your help!
(Oregon, USA)
11/14/2023
Thank you for writing out your questions to Art. My questions are similar. Cetaphil lotion is not too bad, but not good either. I agree with your coconut oil suggestion as long as it's organic. I wonder why Art specifically adds gin as an ingredient. Higher quality gins do have natural botanicals in their formulas.
S,
1. As regards the safety of Cetaphil lotion, I chose it for its longevity as it has been around for many many years in thousands of users which should have well exposed safety issues with it. I am not saying it is the only lotion that can be used, but it is readily available online and in stores. I think most lotions will also work if an individual has a preference.
2. Coconut oil is a natural product that has a known safety profile, but I would never have considered it because many people do not like the smell of coconut oil and some people already consider Cetaphil to have a less than desirable smell, even though the fragrance is extremely light to me. Some people do not like the oily feel of coconut oil until it is absorbed fully. If you try a coconut oil mix, let us know how it works for you.
3. Vodka will work similarly to the gin. I chose gin because of the juniper berry content and botanical content and it seems to have a very mild alcohol smell that essentially disappears once the mix is complete.
Art
Hi Marlena,
Since you feel Cetaphil lotion is not too bad, the gin is essentially diluting the lotion which means that you are getting less of the bad in the final mix, but if you have a preference for another safer lotion in place of the Cetaphil Lotion, you can try that and let us know how it works for you.
The Cetaphil Moisturizing Lotion is readily available, not too expensive and many people are already familiar with it.
Regarding the use of gin, it is because of the juniper berry and botanical content which imparts a fresh scent and may offer other benefit imo. Here is a link discussing a few of those important benefits :
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/juniper-berries
Here are some relevant quotes from the article :
' Juniper berries are high in vitamin C, flavonoid antioxidants, monoterpenes, and coumarins, all of which may offer various health benefits.'
' Juniper berries contain essential oils and flavonoids that offer antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects.'
' Some rodent studies indicate that juniper berry extract may improve high blood sugar levels, though research in humans is lacking.'
' Some animal research suggests that juniper berry extract may improve heart disease risk factors, but studies in humans are lacking. '
' Test-tube and animal studies indicate that juniper berry extract provides strong antibacterial and antifungal effects. However, human studies are needed to confirm these benefits.'
Again, for me the importance is in the effects of the lotion as unobtrusively as possible as well as the ease with which it can be made by the majority of people at home and not so much in the fine tuning to personal tastes.
If you do try VCO or another lotion, please come back and let us know how it works for you.
Art
(usa)
11/14/2023
Can castor oil be substituted for gin in pain remedy with melatonin?
(NSW)
11/14/2023
Yes I am questioning the use of the chemical ingredients of Cetaphil as well. I'm finding it's so hard to find ANY product that has safe ingredients??!! My skin is so dry as I've given up searching as it's a mind field of so many companies claiming their products are all natural, but they're not!!! I use a little coconut oil and olive oil sometimes but I get over the greasiness of them.
Hi Karen,
I am only reporting the mix that my friends found useful for their issues, but this is not carved in stone. If you have a lotion that you feel is safer, please try it and let us know how it works for you as I am sure others will want to know also.
Art
(NEW YORK)
11/14/2023
Hi! Can you or anyone put this recipe into spoons… I don't know grams.. 1/2 teaspoon???? Thanx I want to try it!!!!!!
Hi Mary,
I just now had time to measure out a gram of melatonin powder. This is a very inaccurate way to measure because measuring spoons vary by country and by manufacturer. I have several measuring spoon sets and all of them are different from each other, but this is what I found with one of my sets and using a digital milligram scale. A one quarter teaspoon at level full equaled 760 mg. I added a one eight teaspoon at level full and this brought the total mg up to 1, 120 or 120 mg more than my friends used for their mixes. If you divide the one quarter teaspoon of 760 mg in half, that equals 380 mg which should be very close to one eighth teaspoon. So when you add that 380 mg to the 780 mg, that equals 1, 140 mg. So the 1, 120 mg is close to the 1, 140 mg suggesting that this is about as close as I will be able to get using measiring spoons to get close to a gram. It takes 1000 mg to equal one gram, which is the desired amount of melatonin that my friends used in a 4 ounce mix.
So if your measuring spoons are similar to mine, It will take one level full quarter teaspoon plus a one eight teaspoon that is just shy of being level full to get to the desired one gram or 1000 mg area.
Because this is not an accurate way to measure, I am not recommending that you do this just letting you know what my level full one quarter teaspoon and level full one eight teaspoon weigh on my digital milligram scale when weighing melatonin powder.
Art
(United States)
08/04/2025
I'm probably being real dense here but I'm having trouble with figuring out how much Melatonin powder to add as the Bulk Supplements come in varying milligrams (2mg, 3mg, 5mg, 10,20 etc). I want to make this as close to what your friends used. Can you please help me as I don't know which milligram powder to purchase & am definitely not mathematically inclined!
Mary,
I have an idea to simplify making the melatonin lotion since you don't use a milligram scale. Make just 3 ounces of lotion at a time instead of 4 ounces in the following way :
- Take your four-ounce jar and add one level full one-quarter measuring teaspoon of melatonin powder into the jar.
- Add one ounce of gin to the melatonin in the jar. Replace the lid and shake well until the gin looks clear again.
- Add 2 ounces of Cetaphil lotion to the jar. Replace the lid and shake until well-mixed.
This is the simplest I could figure out for using measuring teaspoons. The 3 ounces will still last a very long time. Remember that my friends said that they apply sparingly.
Art
(Cabarlah, Qld.)
11/18/2023
Karen, have you tried Aussie-grown product jojoba oil, either on its own or in various moisturising products.
(Wake Forest, NC)
11/28/2023
Art,
Since melatonin is both lipophilic and hydrophilic, could one just dissolve the mel powder in their moisturizer (I use tallow) and skip the alcohol step?
Thanks,
Susan
Hi Susan,
I am not Art, But I did melt melatonin with what I made lotion. You can make any kind lotion you want using boiling water. Put glass bottle in the water with something under glass (Provent glass break from very hot heat) all kind oils with bee wax, then put melatonin in it. after bee wax melt, melatonin mostly is melting too. you need using something mix melatonin with lotion. I did not measure how much oil and bee wax I put in and I did not measure how many grams of melatonin I put in. I used my tomato sauce glass bottle that at least is 16 oz bottle. I just put oil first, put bee wax in it as 3/4 bottle already, then put melatonin in it too. after wax melt if I think lotion is too oily, I just put more bee wax. I want strong melatonin lotion, so I put maybe almost 2 table spools of melatonin in, I thought if lotion too strong I will use less, if too weak I cannot use too much lotion on my skin. I tested my lotion after I finished, I did feel sleepiness after for a while.
Hi Susan,
Melatonin will only partially dissolve in most lotions, the end result is that you will have a significantly weaker mix than what my friends used. Melatonin has high solubility in ethanol and that is the reason that they used it. Do you have a problem with using gin?
Art
(NC)
11/29/2023
I find alcohol drying, so I avoid it in my skin care. (I prefer it in a glass, neat. ;)
Melatonin Lotion Feedback
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Hi Diana,
Thank you for saying so!
Actually I consider melatonin powder relatively inexpensive as it applies to this lotion which only requires one gram per four ounces of lotion at a cost of roughly one dollar of melatonin per mix which does not seem like much for an active component imo.
Usage rate will vary by the amount being applied and the area being covered. If you are only applying to the neck or lower back, the lotion should be fairly long lasting as my friends mentioned in their answers to my questions. All three reported applying sparingly which would also add to the lifespan of each jar.
None of the three have used up their first four ounce jar yet. Lydia is the one I consider to be using the most as she is using it on her lower back, neck, shoulders and muscles that are impacted by her disease and she is still using her first jar.
Very importantly, all three are finding significant benefit with their lotion with only two applications per day with benefit beyond what Stopain was able to offer them with regular use. Melatonin has a very good safety profile. All three have told me they enjoy the simplicity of making this lotion themselves at home.
Art
(Cabarlah, Qld.)
11/18/2023
In Australia, melatonin is considered a medicine and not a food supplement as in the USA. Thus, a Dr.prescription required and about the max. would be 2mg-3mg. prescribed.
(Zürich)
02/05/2024
Hi Frances
The same in Switzerland, we get it only after 65 years old. I order it at
iherb, usa
rgs from ZUrich
Hi Frances,
Yes, unfortunately, outside of the US, generally requires a prescription in many places in the world. I find the logic for this restriction unfathomable given the excellent safety profile of melatonin which is safer than ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen or aspirin which they allow you to buy in unlimited amounts and these generally offer little to no other health benefit other than pain relief. Add in the many health benefits that melatonin has shown in humans, animals and plant life and the restriction becomes even more absurd. I mean how does a government organization that is supposed to be operating for your health and safety make such a judgement about something that is so healthful for you?
To give a little perspective, acetaminophen/Tylenol toxicity is the number two cause of liver transplantation worldwide and the number one cause in the US! It is responsible for 56, 000 emergency room visits per year and causes 500 deaths per year, but you can buy all you want from any grocery store.
On the other hand, from 2012 to 2021, there were two deaths in children and these were attributed gummies candy style melatonin that the children ate like they were candy because the parents left them out. So if you take that same 9 year period and estimate that 500 people die per year from acetaminophen, that's 4, 500 deaths compared to 2 for melatonin.
A relevant quote from the article ;
' A study of poison control calls in the U.S. found the number of melatonin poisoning–related calls increased six times from 2012 to 2021. Of these calls, more than 4, 000 teens and children were hospitalized and two died. '
To give a bit more perspective, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, naproxen and aspirin are all NSAIDS. In the US alone, 15, 600 deaths occur per year and 107, 000 hospitalizations due to NSAIDS as discussed here :
A relevant quote from the article :
' One study estimates that NSAIDs — non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs used to treat pain and inflammation — are responsible for 107, 000 hospitalizations and 15, 600 deaths a year in the U.S. '
Possible side effects of ibuprofen use
When used incorrectly, especially chronically, negative effects can include:
- Diarrhea.
- Gastrointestinal problems, including bleeding.
- Heart attack.
- Heart failure.
- High blood pressure.
- Kidney damage.
- Liver toxicity.
- Low sodium levels.
- Nausea.
- Stroke.
- Ulcers.
- Upset stomach.'
When you look at this list, melatonin has been shown in studies to help many of these items, not cause them.
This to me says that the people running these government regulatory agencies should reconsider their positions on melatonin requiring a prescription when the named NSAIDS above can be bought with no restrictions at all!
I think the same should apply to borax also as it banned in many areas of the world, yet how many people die form borax in the US each year, where you can buy it in any quantity in any laundry aisle in the country everyday with no restrictions. If you can find the number of people who die from borax consumption each year in the US, please post it because I couldn't find that number. There are words to describe this situation more accurately, but I can't say them here.
Art
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Question for Art please. I usually take 2,500 mcg capsules of Melatonin at night for help sleeping. Do you have any suggestions or advice for using some Melatonin Lotion for neck and shoulder aches?
Thank you. I appreciate your information.
Hi Jan, The dose of melatonin you are taking is pretty low at just 2.5 mg per night to help you sleep. It might be better to skip the oral melatonin while you are testing topical melatonin so you will know clearly and exactly how you are reacting to the topical lotion. Once you understand how you respond to the topical melatonin, then you can resume the oral melatonin if you feel you still need it. Art
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Thank you (looking forward to a sucessfull outcome)
Sincerely
Richard
Hi Rusty,
Oral melatonin at higher dosing had no benefit for my three friends as far as their spinal, muscle and joint pains as all three were already taking oral melatonin. The lotion was able to help them in a way that the oral dosing could not and this is likely because the lotion allows significantly higher local tissue concentrations of melatonin that their higher oral dosing could never achieve as the oral dose is essentially dispersed throughout the body whereas the lotion gives a higher tissue concentration in the specific area where it is applied.
Art
(America)
11/15/2023
Art, thank you for the recipe! I put it together today and will try it on my back and hips before bed. I will give it a few weeks and then give feedback!
Hi Hollyhock,
Your feedback will be very useful since I have not tried it for hip pain yet.
Thank you!
Art
A friend who has been using melatonin lotion recently wrote the following to me :
' Hi Art, I am only taking 1 25mg Losartan (I was taking 50mg) and my bp has been well in the normal range. I've taken it in the a.m. and p.m. and it's running about 122/75. That's a good reading for me.
The weather outside is frightful (as the song goes). It was about 29 last night but warmed up to the 50's today. That usually sends my aches and pains on the increase. I did stay inside today, but did really well. I was surprised especially since I was on my feet a lot last night standing at a ladies golf party and talking to people. Usually that would kill my back. However, I used the cream and stopain 2 times today and have really done well. My neck hasn't bothered me in a couple of days now and my back will give me a little ouchy feeling, but nothing like I would usually expect given the weather. I also have used it on my left shoulder, hip joints and knees. And, yes, any pain I had there seems to have gone away for now. We'll see. I'll keep you informed.
On another note, I was diagnosed with thyroiditis...maybe from the machines they but down my throat from an endoscopy I had done a couple of months ago. It had been kind of an on and off problem with swallowing. It got really bad last Tuesday where just swallowing my saliva was painful. So I decided to try the cream and the Stopain and guess what? There was a huge improvement by the next day. Within 3 days the swelling in my throat has pretty much disappeared. I don't know if there is any correlation, but I thought I would just share that with you.
take care,
She also more recently wrote this to me :
' Art, thanks I'll try that...the muscles of my head get so tight they hurt...
BTW I was having ankle problems and used the lotion and Stopain with good results.'
Art
This same friend mentioned to me that she was having significant pain on her head which she said she regularly has. I asked her how far up her neck she applying the melatonin lotion and she said right up to her hairline. I mentioned to her that the cervical spine actually continues higher than the hairline and asked her to try applying the melatonin lotion right up to the bottom of the skull. She said she would try doing that on her next application that night. She wrote back the next day to say that she woke up with no head pain and was very happy about that. She later wrote me to say that applying to the very top of her cervical spine has continued to work to prevent her head pain.
One of my friends that I wrote about in the original post, Lydia also noticed that applying all the way up the neck to the base of the skull is also working better for any neck pain she still has. She said she thought she was applying it to her whole spine, but had never even thought of going above the hair line, but is happy that she is doing that now.
There are nerves at the top of the spine that travel to the head and face and apparently the melatonin lotion can help calm them when they become inflamed.
Art
The friend I mentioned above sent me another update regarding her use of melatonin lotion. She said the following :
' Art, just a quick update. Last night I had what I thought was a migraine. I applied the lotion and Stopain and by bedtime it had receded quite a bit. By morning it was gone. Usually my migraines last a week. So this was really great! '
Art
I got yet another update from my friend who is testing melatonin lotion. This is what she said :
I am almost pain free at this point. This is very unusual for me given that the weather has been very cold. That usually exacerbates my arthritis. At this point I don't see any swelling in my back vertebrae. They usually swell first and then hurt like the dickens. I put the lotion on once in the morning and once before I go to bed. I use stopain with it. The swollen joints in my fingers have started to decrease in size and are no longer sensitive to the least touch...yay! I should have taken a before and after picture. The bumps on my finger joints have almost decreased by half size! I still have some back pain if I stand on my feet too long (more than 20 minutes) in a stationary position. So I try to keep moving.
Art
Migraines
★★★★★
Item #4 mentions that one of my friends found significant relief for migraine headaches which usually last them about a week and now are over in less than a day. This new study (May, 2024) adds confirmation to the idea that melatonin relieves migraine headaches as discussed here :
https://ijms.sums.ac.ir/article_49688.html
Here is a relevant study quote :
' Our study shows that melatonin was more efficacious than the placebo in the reduction of frequency and duration of migraine attacks. It was equally safe as the placebo and might be effective in the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. '
Art
(Virginia)
11/11/2024
How was the melatonin lotion applied? My daughter has migraines and I made your lotion for her and then realized there is no instruction on how to use it for migraines. Does she rub the lotion on where she has migraine pain?
Hi Sherry,
My friend who used it for migraines told me she applied it sparingly to the back of her neck, temples and scalp. She said she applied from just below the lowest part of the neck to the top of the neck, which is above the hairline at the base of the skull and then applied it to the scalp and temples. She said her migraines would always last about a week and the ML would have them gone in less than a day with significant symptom reduction while the migraine was active. which she said was the best relief she had ever gotten.
Please let us know how it works for your daughter, whether it is helpful or not.
Art
Neck Injury, Calf Pain
★★★★★
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/melatonin-spine-health.html
And here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/topical-melatonin-pain-relief-success-stories.html
That was about 2 months ago and yesterday this acquaintance wrote to tell me this :
' Hi there. An update. Have used your treatment and would say that it works. It has taken the swelling out of the neck area and the lump on the side of the neck (caratoid?) Has gone. Also, I woke one morning with a very sore right calf No reason that I know of limped through that day and half the next then used your cream. Used it again the next day and although slightly tender would say that the problem was solved. '
' I used E45 moisturising lotion ( because I had it in the house) . I was sceptical. Couldn't see how it could work but it does. '
So these are two more examples of things that melatonin lotion has worked effectively for.
Art
New Research
★★★★★
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38347109/
Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' Comparing retained vs abolished secretion, only 23% (4/17) of patients with a lesion above T8 retained melatonin secretion, compared to 80% (4/5) with a lesion below T8 (p = 0.022). '
Art
Here is a brand new study (August 31, 2025) adding further confirmation to the idea that melatonin not only helps attenuate intervertebral disc degeneration, but it can help improve mitochondrial biogenesis and help with the repair process as discussed here :
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00018-025-05877-5
Here is an important quote from the link :
' This study demonstrated that AOPP triggered oxidative stress, exacerbated mitochondrial injury, and increased NP cell apoptosis. Additionally, melatonin enhanced mitochondrial function and protected NP cells from oxidative injury. Further studies demonstrated that melatonin enhanced mitochondrial biogenesis and modulated mitochondrial dynamics and mitophagy via the Peroxisome proliferator-activated receptorγcoactivator 1α (PGC-1α) signaling pathway, maintaining mitochondrial homeostasis and thereby decreasing excessive apoptosis and extracellular matrix (ECM) degradation. A PGC-1α inhibitor lessened melatonin's effect on the mitochondrial quality system, weakening its protective function in NP cells against oxidative stress. Furthermore, in vivo experiments confirmed that melatonin slowed the progression of IVDD. These findings provide a theoretical basis for treating IVDD by targeting mitochondrial dysfunction and modulating the mitochondrial quality control system. Melatonin could be an effective treatment for IVDD. '
These effects suggest that melatonin lotion (ML) may have synergy with the Hyaluronic Acid / Stopain remedy for degenerative disc disease (DDD) as discussed here :
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ddd-art-solbrig.html
Art