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Posted by Floflo12 (Lagos) on 08/17/2012

Good day to everyone here. I was browsing through and came across this site, am from Nigeria and was diagnosed with Hepatitis late last year, after reading through this post, I want to know if the Chanca piedra can totally cure hepatitis b? if yes, please someone should state the procedures for me. I need an urgent reply. thanks.

Replied by Sara
Detroit, Mi
08/17/2012
Best as a tea. Drink 8 oz 3 times a day. Make tea very strong. Do this every day for 3 months. Test results should be clear. If not, do another 3 months.

Take multi vitamin with selenium and vitamin D. Everyday. No drinking alcohol. Cut down on fatty foods, corn syrup and grains like rice. Eat more raw veggies.

There is a pubplished medical journal from the 1960's indicating its efficasy from the very doctor who discovered the surface antigens form HBv

Replied by Lovely
Cebu City, Philippines
08/19/2012
Hi my name is lovely. I was diagnosed of HEPA B last april. I just want to ask if where I can buy CHANCA PIEDRA in cebu philippines. Hpoing that you can reply as soon as possible. thank you.
Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
08/20/2012
Hi Lovely... Chanca Piedra is easy to find in the Cebu lowlands -- I know because I have just returned from Cebu visiting family and I was able to find Chanca Piedra easily for someone who had kidney stone problems. Here is a photo of it:

http://www.stuartxchange.com/SampaSampalukan.html

It is also called Seed-Under-Leaf which is a unique feature of this plant. Chanca Piedra is also anti-viral and is capable of greatly reducing the viral load for Hep B. See the research here:

http://rainforest-database.com/plants/chanca.htm

Chanca Piedra is also currently being researched for its beneficial effects against HIV AIDS and Cancer.

By the way, for all those interested, I've just been reading about the FDA's newest tactic and strategy against the sale of alternative nutrients and remedies on the internet. The FDA are now not even bothering to take offenders to court -- instead, they are simply dictating which alternative remedies and nutrients are to be banished from Google Searches. In obeisance to the FDA's dictat, Google Shopping has just blocked all search listings of vitamins and nutrients in the US. More to come -- just think Codex...

Read about it here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/036862_Google_Shopping_vitamins_censorship.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/036726_Google_Adwords_FDA_censorship.html

Replied by Olamilekan
Lagos, Nigeria
09/01/2012
My name is lekan from Nigeria, pls can someone come to my recsue. Pls can someone tell me where I am suppose to get "Seed under leaf" in nigeria. You can email via oomoalhaja1(at)yahoo.com or or via pin:3237E07C. I dearly appreciate this website
Replied by Rj
Los Angeles, California, USA
09/15/2012
Hi everyone, I joined the US Navy in January of this year, unfortunately, I was discharged three weeks later due to testing positive for Hepatitis B. I never had any symptoms whatsoever, one of my doctors said that I may have been born with it, the other one said that it may be from piercing (I had my eyebrow pierced in 2008). If so, will CHANCA PIEDRA TEA or OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT TEA completely clear the virus from my system? I really want to go back to the Navy but I still can't since I still have it.

My results from February 22:
Hep B Surf. An = Reactive
Hep BS Ab = Non-reactive; Count = < 3.0 L mIU/mL; Reference Range = 12 - 10,000
Here's my viral count as of June 6, 2012:
Hepatitis B = 170000000 IU/mL; Units = < 20
Hepatitis B = 989000000 copies/mL; Units = < 116

This was from the same test, although it confuses me, how is the other count different from the other? Please help.

We have an olive tree outside my house, and planning to make tea from it, I already started taking Chanca Piedra tea and capsules (since June), Salvia/Ligustrum (on my 6th bottle of 420 tabs) 9 tabs 3x/day (how long should I be on this?), I'm taking Extra Virgin Coconut Oil 1 tbsp. 3x/day, and taking high doses of Vitamin C. Also, I just started on Barley Grass powder, and liquid Chlorophyll (I read that it cleanses the blood). Anymore that I need to do? I never wanted to take pharmaceuticals because I've never believed in them. I never had any symptoms at all, and would have never found out about it had I not join the Navy. Also, I read somewhere, that if the person was born with the virus, the immune system doesn't recognize it as foreign, and thus does not attack the virus, if this is my case, what do I need to do? I desperately need of help, or suggestions. And please, PLEASE, no negative comments because I am willing to do EVERYTHING just to get back in the Navy.

Replied by Jun
Philippines
11/02/2014
Greetings,
I need your help, I'm Reactive and non reactive of antihbe, can I take those medicine same at once everyday?

Posted by Kaye (Cebu, Cebu City, Philippines) on 06/17/2012

Hi! I'm just new here. Just browse thru some remedies about hep b. I was diagnosed with hep b last 2008 and since then, I didn't try any medications since my doctor gave me the option to take medicines or not. I read about chanca piedra and I was curious. Can you enlighten me if it can be taken alone or do I have to take other supplement together with chanca piedra? Im from cebu, where can I buy it here? Thank you.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
06/18/2012
Hi Kaye... I also live in the Philippines and grow my own Chanca piedra and use it for many reasons. I do this because its far better to use unprocessed herbs in the form of decoctions, teas or extracts than to use the heavily processed forms(with additives) sold in the health shops.

Chanca piedra grows widely in the lowlands of the Philippines -- so you can grow it for free. It is a weed that grows everywhere and it's Tagalog name is Sampa-sampalukan. Here are some pictures of it:

http://www.stuartxchange.com/SampaSampalukan.html

The unique identifying feature of this plant is that its flowers and seeds are found along and underneath the main petiole leaf stem -- that's why this plant is also called Seed-Under-Leaf.

See this link for all the many beneifits(incl. for Hep B) and the research on CP:

http://rainforest-database.com/plants/chanca.htm

You can use Chanca piedra against Hep B very effectively on its own. I've read one study where CP was given and in at least 50% of the cases -- the Hep B antigen disappeared completely within 20 days. They followed up on the participants after the research trial for nine mnths and the Hep B antigen did not reappear in any of the Hep B sufferers.

Hepatitis tends to destroy the liver over time. So another protocol -- The Berkson Triple-Anti-oxidant Liver Therapy -- is also useful to help to both defeat the Hep B(and Hep C) virus but, more importantly, this protocol helps -- by its massive anti-oxidant action -- to repair and recover the liver quickly. The Berkson Liver Protocol involves just supplementing Alpha Lipoic Acid, Milk Thistle and Selenium every day.

Also be aware that Chanca piedra has many other beneficial effects on the body including -- hypocalcemic(lowers blood calcium), hypolipidemic(lowers blood fat), hypoglycemic(lowers blood sugar), hypotensive(lowers BP).

Replied by Mustfightp
Leeds, South Yorks
07/18/2012
I was a nurse 25 years, worked without gloves most of the time as we had no access to equipments in Africa then. I went on to study virology to Msc and on starting phD then, I found out I had trace of Hep b. Ever since I believed it has become chronic but still waiting to see Dr. Because I did a blood test two months ago and was stated ag present but they didnt specified. But I know is the Hep b still replicating. Ever since I was diagnosed as having hep B trace I didnt do much with my diet and lifestyle just carried on believing it will one day dissappear. I dont think it did.

My main aim now is to get rid of this Hep b in me by using CAM protocol. I have all the tablets in palce waiting to hear from you before I can start.

I know all the site effects of lamivudine, interferon, viread and others as such dont want to go through that route.

Please advise- will I feel terrible on my first doses? How do I take it accurately. thanks.

Replied by Pedro Protacio
Cebu City, Phil.
11/11/2012
Please sir i need a contact to get a sample on chanca piedra.... i have a cousin really need this i need to plant.... this weed in my bot. garden.... pls plss plss have mercy.
Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
11/11/2012
Hi Pedro... There are several ways to obtain Chanca Piedra(CP) in the Philippines.

Chanca Piedra(also called Sampa-sampalukan in Filipino) grows profusely as a weed all over the lowlands of the Philippines (I have also seen this plant growing in the Cebu lowlands). So you should be able to get CP for free. The Chanca Piedra plant looks like this:

Chanca Piedra on Stuartxchange

Chanca Piedra on Google images

If you can, try and plant these two herbs in your garden. They are also very useful for problems like gallstones, kidney stones, gout, fever, arthritis, candida, inflammation, high blood, malaria etc.

Chanca piedra's beneficial effects against Hep B are also enhanced when combined with Tinospora cordifolia -- also called Makabuhay in Filipino(also easily found in the lowlands of Cebu). Makabuhay is also known as Heart Vine or Heavenly Elixir and looks like this:

Makabuhay on Stuartxchange

Google Images of Makabuhay

Makabuhay is quite well known in the Philippines. Makabuhay, when taken as a decoction, also helps to inactivate the Hep B virus. Chanca Piedra acts by interfering with and stopping the reproductive cycle of the Hep B virus -- so it is both beneficial and synergistic if these two herbs -- Chanca Piedra and Makabuhay -- are used together in a decoction because they greatly enhance each other's beneficial effects.

To make the decoction -- get one whole Chanca piedra plant(with roots) and three sticks of the vine stem of the Makabuhay plant. Cut them up into 2 or 3 inch sticks and bash the stems to open them up. Put all the Chanca piedra and Makabuhay sticks into a large pot and fill it with 2 liters of water. Gently boil and simmer this decoction down to 1 liter and then strain the brown liquid into a liter container and put in the fridge. It is now ready to use. This is a potent drink and it will taste very bitter.

If you cannot find the Makabuhay, then just make the decoction using just the Chanca Piedra on its own.

Dosage: Fill half a glass with the decoction and then add fresh fruit juice for one full glass and drink this 3 times a day outside mealtimes. Drink this every day.

If you can't find the Chanca piedra plant, then the SM and Ayalla Malls should have them in their health herb shops such as GNC or Healthy Options. As an alternative, you can take the CP capsules -- 1000 mgs three times a day with meals.

You should also try the Cebu markets -- sometimes they sell these local herbs there and it would also be much cheaper for you. I know for sure that both CP and Makabuhay are sold in Quaipao market in Quezon City, Manila. Also perhaps if you ask a local albularyo or medico -- then they will be able to show you what these plants look like so you can find them yourself for free and perhaps plant them in your garden as well for use later.

Replied by Jrx
Maasin, Philippines
01/08/2013
Instructions say, "Fill half a glass with the decoction and then add fresh fruit juice for one full glass and drink this 3 times a day outside mealtimes. Drink this every day." What is the meaning of outside mealtimes?
Replied by Phany
Rwanda
09/16/2014
Hello oscar, I followed youth posts and happy to join your conversation, I have HPb virus. I am taking lamividin and tenofovil comprime and I am asking about those BHT that I am seeing on the post. Is it the same or not? thanks
Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York
09/16/2014
Hello Phany [ Rwanda ].Lamividine and Tenofovil are two different antiviral drugs used to treat hepatitis B. They are NOT BHT [ butylated hydroxytoluene ]. The chemical structure of both of those antiviral drugs is NOT at all the same as BHT. I looked them up and the chemical structures of both are very different than BHT.

Now are they working for you or not ? Because if they are working perhaps you should continue this treatment. If they are not working BHT is worth a try. It [ BHT ] does work for many people infected with hepatitis B. But so do those drugs you are taking.

Go with what works for you....Oscar

Replied by Rass
Uk
09/27/2014
Dear Oscar,

I also have chronic hepatitis B but I have not tried BHT. I have not had much pain but lately I have felt pain on my right side around my lower ribs. I have tried milk thistle and other Chinese herbs and also Ayurveda medicine but I still feel the pain. Could you please let me know your suggestions. Last time my viral load was 2500. I'm going for my next tests in October.

Thanks for your help, Rass

Posted by Livercursexlm (St John's, Newfoundland Canada) on 06/03/2012

This is a question for Ted, but any forum members can answer. Ted, is it advisable to use Chanca Piedra as an enema to speed up the eradication of the Hepatitis B virus from the system? Have you any experience personally or anecdotally? I am considering such a step.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
06/04/2012
Hi Livercursexlm... I am not quite sure why you want to take chanca piedra as an enema when research has already shown great efficacy against hep b by taking Chanca piedra orally in capsule, tea or decoction form.

Hep b infection occurs in the liver which infects the blood. This human in vivo study by Blumberg et al in 1988 shows the speed with which chanca piedra, when taken orally, can successfully kill the hep b virus:

EFFECT OF PHYLLANTHUS AMARUS ON CHRONIC CARRIERS OF HEPATITIS B VIRUS

In the above study 22 out 37 human chronic Hep B participants lost their Hep B surface antigen within 15-20 days. Some of the subjects were followed up for 9 months and in no case did the Hep B antigen return.

All they did was take Chanca piedra orally on a daily basis. Chanca piedra also has few, if any, side-effects.

Replied by Livercursexlm
St John's, Newfoundland Canada
06/06/2012
Hi Bill, My idea of using Chanca as an enema is to simulate intravenous injection of same. Because the large intestine will filter out most of the unwanted impurities and deliver the the pure essence directly into the blood stream.

Would this not accelerate the therapeutic effects and render the body free of those nasty little buggers that harrass the liver?

I am taking Chanca orally, but I am seriously considering the enema route.

Yesterday I went for a HBV colony count test and and the antigen test as well. I hope to confound my doctor....

Posted by Vasan (Hyderabad, Andhrapradesh, India) on 12/26/2011

Hi there, I am new to earth clinic and glad to meet you all. English is not my first language, but I hope you will get my point. I am a chronic hepatitisB healthy carrier, ( recently known accidentally). My lab reports are, Hbsag positive, hbsab negative, hbeag negative, hbeab positive, DNA quantification is 102567 copies per ml.. My doctor said that it is a chronic state and no medicaton is needed except monitoring every 6 months once.

Then my life seems dark and I was scared how my future is going to be.. Little later I started googling alternative things and got hope when I see earth clinic remedies. I read about chanca piedra and decided to use it. My question is that please, anyone tell me that my viral load is too high?? Is it posible to cure completely with chanca piedra? Is it possible to convert hbsag positive to negative?? And also clarify me on what is active carrier and inactive carrier? Is chanca piedra useful for inactive carriers? Thank you...

Replied by Maria
Gippsland, Australia
01/14/2012
Hi Vasan, If you go to http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hepatitis-b.html#CP_69915 and look straight under your own post Bill has posted about Hep B and Chanca Piedra. The Ayurvedic herb Amla is also something that may be of help.

I also wonder if BHT would be of help for Hep B as it is for Hep C, maybe Oscar would have some idea. All the best.

Replied by Max
Commerce Township, Michigan
03/08/2012
[YEA]   Hi, I just converted Hbsag positive to negative. I could not believe it. My viral load was low. But my doctor said the same thing: you cannot do anything with it, just monitor. But I told him that I am going to fight. And I did. I experimented with both chanca piedra and salvia/ligustrum. When I drunk chanca piedra, my viral load went down to undetectable. But I stopped taking it, because I did not know how long I should take. After some time, my results went up a little bit, then I started taking salvia/ligustrum. And yesterday I saw my doctor who told me that my Hbsag is negative. He did not ask me what I am taking, but said that keep doing whatever I am doing. I also started taking Quercenol (a mix of vitamins, minerals and milk thistle). I am still taking salvia and quercenol hoping that I will become immune and my Hbsab will become positive. But salvia can be taken for 3 months and later you need to take a break.

Chanca piedra is better when you make a strong tea.

Replied by Va
Hyd, Ap
03/10/2012
Hi, you are so lucky that you have seroconverted. Can you share your HBVDNA level, Hbsag quantity, e antigen status so that I can have an idea of the regimen. Thanks
Replied by Max
Commerce Township, Michigan
03/12/2012
[YEA]   My HbDNA was always very low, last couple of times, it was undetectable, but was still present. When I noticed that my DNA changes, goes up and down, I started paying more attention what I take and what I eat. First time, when it became undetectable, I was drinking chanca piedra tea. Couple times a day simmered about 15 minutes. I used dried herbs. Later I stopped and DNA went up a little bit. Two months before my tests, I started taking salvia/ligustrum. My doctor did not know what my results meant. I do not know either, I do not know if I am recovering and one day I will become immune to the virus. I am still taking salvia. When I am done, I will go back to chanca piedra. I also take astragalus. This herb raises our own interferon that is in our bodies. Astragalus is to build immunity.
Replied by Emmanuel
Lagos, Nigeria
03/23/2012
Thanks you all for sharing this information, I will try to see how I can get the chanca piedra leaves here in nigeria. Thank you all very much for you assistance.
Replied by Steve11269
Bangkok, Thailand
04/21/2012
[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS]   I've had hep b for almost 5 months. Chanca piedra (phyllanthus niruri) was about the only hope I had outside of Lamivudine which I despise because the virus can mutate. Chanca piedra killed the majority of the virus but it does have one side effect that I am careful of. It can lower blood pressure drastically over time. I usually take a spoon of salt for that and no problems. Just thought I would share my experience when making the tea from chanca piedra. I have learned that by letting the mixture sit overnight to cool, it becomes much stronger. I now am in the process of adding a lemon to the mix. I may also crush some star gooseberries and add as well. The star gooseberries are another type of phyllanthus (acidus). I just ordered the Salvia/Ligustrum tablets and hope fully I will be rid of this disease. Thanks to Max from Michigan :)
Replied by Steve
Bangkok, Thailand
04/22/2012
I just thought I would expand on phyllanthus for anyone suffering from hep b in Thailand. I have been trying to find the Indian gooseberry (Makham Bum) in Thailand to no avail. Thailand does have the star goosberry (Mayum) and I thought I would share my experience. Before I was able to find Chanca Piedra, I tried the star gooseberry. It had the same effect as Chanca Piedra and believe it or not I found myself itching under my right rib after eating them for a few days. Plus no pain. My next goal will be to mix the 2 types of phyllanthus together and perhaps switch off with Salvia/Ligustrum tablets. Anybody know of any side effects? I also started taking coconut oil. Another question I have is how can I boost my immune system with food or supplements? I know Astragalus has been mentioned. I am looking forward to seeing some immunity results. In my overall opinion about hep b...... I believe that even in a chronic state, all hep b can be removed from the host if multiple forms of treatment are enforced. I believe the key is to never focus on only one form of supplementation thus bypassing the adaptability of the virus. By the way, has anyone had any experience with neem? I have read about doctors in India providing a new dialysis technique combining both the amla (gooseberry) and neem together with some astounding results :)
Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
04/22/2012
Hi Steve... I feel that I must congratulate you -- your thinking and stragegy against Hep B couldn't be better. It is always much better to use a multi-strategy against a dangerous pathogen like the hep B virurs because, as you so rightly point out, these pathogens are so clever at adapting and hiding.

The best strategy embeds the following principles:

* Herbs that directly attack and remove the virus.

* Supply the body/organ with large amounts of anti-oxidants to help clear the virus/toxins and to also help repair the damaged organ.

* Creating a healthier body terrain and stronger immune system and therefore creating a bad environment for the virus.

The phyllathus plant that you mentioned is Phyllanthus emblica or Emblica officinalis -- Indian Gooseberry. This plant has one of the highest amounts of Vitamin C for any plant -- which is why it is so effective against the hep b virus. Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) fights hep B in another way. CP prevents the hep B virus from replicating by inhibiting the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme needed by the virus to reproduce. Because CP interferes in such a way, this also means that the hep B virus cannot adjust to CP like they can against antibiotics and other drugs or chemicals. I have also read that Chanca piedra, in trials and when supplemented for just a month, can reduce hep B viral loads to virtually zero. There are no known toxic affects when you supplement CP. The most recent research on CP has found that it acts to protect and fortify the hepatocytes(worker liver cells). CP is currently being researched for use both against HIV AIDS and liver cancer because of its unusual effects on the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme in retroviruses. See the research here.

Other remedies -- such as coconut oil, BHT and plain old aspirin are also effective against Hep B and Hep C. CP also contains salycilic acid(same as aspirin). These methods kill the virus by hydrolyzing its outer cell wall envelope, thus completely de-cloaking the virus for easy removal by the immune system. Using the Berkson Liver Protocol(Alpha Lipoic Acid, Selenium, Milk Thistle with NAC and LDN) will also help to heal the liver more quickly. You should investigate these too -- like you say, you should always use as many effective protocols against dangerous viruses as possible.

You can also find Indian Goose Berry in Indian Ayurvedic remedies like Triphala. Triphala powder is made up of a blend of equal parts Amlaki (Emblica officinalis) Haritaki (Terminalia chebula) and Bibhitaki (Terminalia Belerica). So this herbal mix is very high in protective anti-oxidant content, incuding Vit C.

Chaywanprash is also another very useful Ayurvedic mix. It contains over 40 herbs -- including herbs that help the liver such as CP, Indian Gooseberry and Boerhavia diffusa that specifically help the liver. You should be able to find these herbs in any Indian deli in Thailand. I found them in the Philippines quite easily.

By the way -- Chanca piedra is very common in the tropical Far East. It grows everywhere in my garden as a robust and common weed that has one very distinguishing feature which is how you can recognize it so easily and quickly. CP is also called Seed-Under-Leaf because the flowers and seeds always peculiarly form along and under the main leaf stem. No other plant has this characteristic.

Here is a picture of it.

....Chances are that if you are sitting outside, then Chanca piedra will probably be growing somewhere very close to you right now... Even in Bangkok!!

Replied by Michael
Lagos, Nigeria
04/30/2012
Thank you so much for the information, Chanca piedra is every where here in Nigeria I make a juice of fresh leaf of it and I have been taking it for two months now and still positive of HB. I really need to get salvia-Ligustrum but can't seem to get it in an of the pharmacy stores please some one should tell me where to get salvia-ligustrum in NIGERIA. Thanks
Replied by Max
Commerce Township, Mi
04/30/2012
Ok, I converted my antigen into negative, but now I have to build my antibodies. Has anyone done this? If so then how and what was used? I repeated my tests after two months and nothing has changed. I stopped taking salvia, beacuse it can convert it back to positive. I am afraid that I have to use something else to build antibodies. Any suggestions?
Replied by Michael
Lagos, Nigeria
05/04/2012
Hello Max, Please I would like you to clear me more on this, those it mean that chanca piedra alone with some immune supplement will clear up the virus. I truly want to be sure what to think and clear up this virus from my system, it is slowing me down I can't get a job because of this.
Replied by Max
Commerce Township, Mi
05/09/2012
[NAY]   Chanca piedra did not convert my serum antigen, but salvia lingustrum did. I took 9 pills 3 times a day for 2.5 months. I had blood work done meanwhile that showed my negative serum antigen. Then I stopped taking it, because I read that it may convert it back. I know that you can take salvia for only 3 months and have a break.
Replied by Steve11269
Bangkok, Thailand
05/10/2012
Hello, and thank you Bill for all your helpful advice pertaining to hepatitis B remedies. Sorry it took so long to reply.

I have been taking the Salvia/Ligustrum tabs for 2 weeks now. Unfortunately, it not only did not reduce any of my liver inflammation, one of the pills got stuck somewhere in my body. Be careful taking pills! I went into shock last night and I am still recovering. My heart rate hit 200 and tingling was felt throughout all of my limbs. I know it was one of those pills because I felt it when I switched positions in lying down.

Last night the liver inflammation went down, but it's back in full force the next day. I will be going to the doctor to get a DNA test of this virus because it simply won't die. I am convinced the only way for me to rid myself of this hepatic curr, is to try more extreme medicine like BHT or MMS. I have read good reviews on BHT. That will be my next route. The strength of this virus has me concerned :/ Not to mention I am at the 6 month point with this virus :(

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
05/10/2012
Hi Steve11269... BHT will certainly help you to get rid of Hep C. BHT also has the characteristic of being a first class anti-oxidant as well as being capable of killing the Hep C virus as well.

Other remedies for Hep C that seem to work are The Berkson Triple Anti-Oxidant Therapy -- ALA(300 mgs), Selenium(200 mcg) and Milk Thistle(1000 mgs) twice a day at meals. Ted also mentions various other remedies that help to cure Hep C here:

http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hep_c_questions.html#Question_2947

In the above link, Ted also mentions various other remedies against Hep C including using his own Lysine remedy as well as a TCM remedy called Pien Tze Huang which is made by Zhan Zhou. But this one is expensive and beware of fakes.

Some more options for you.

Replied by Steve11269
Bangkok, Thailand
05/17/2012
Thanks again for your feedback Bill but I have great news! The pain I have under my right rib for four months was my gallbladder. The Chanca Piedra pushed out one large stone in exactly one week. I just went back to the doctor because the pain is still there. I had bloodwork done and NO VIRUS! I do not have the antibodies as of yet though. So, how long does it take to form anti-hb's? I see many people asking this question here. By the way, the pain is diminishing in my gallbladder because I started taking 3,000 milligrams of Vitamin C daily. I think it is healing me :D Cheers!
Replied by Akin
Lagos, Nigeria
05/21/2012
Thanks All for your honest comment, I just discovered the virus after blood works and an ultra sound show the liver is inflated, the viral load was 250,000 as feb.

I often experience some pain in the stomach area, body itch, and muscle pains and easily fatigued.

I have been on milk thisle, vit c 1000mg, and vit e with daily juice of Carrot, Beetroot, celery, white radish, lemon, cabbage and apple. I exercise regularly.

Its been traumatic, worrisome and burdened with this diagnoses but I'm more than conqueror IJN.

I will like Micheal from Nigeria to contact me on h4bv(at)ymail. com for advice on where I can get CHANCA PIEDRA in Nigeria and maybe we can share more knowledge/approach on defeating this common enemy.

Replied by Art
Vancouver Bc., Canada
01/02/2013
It is not recommeded that you take Milk Thistle if you are taking BHT. The Milk Thistle will block the BHT as it works to protect the liver. Grape fruit or grape fruit juice is also known to block the effects of BHT and other drugs. art.
Replied by Rhea
Manila, Philippines
06/11/2014
Hi! I'm Rhea, I was found to be a carrier of hepa b last year. I've started taking entecavir/entegard for almost a year now and wondering if I could stop it and take chanca piedra instead? We have chanca piedra leaves and I want to know how to use it? hope for your response guys. Pls help. I'm hoping for your response soon, I'm becoming hopeless as time goes by.
Replied by Timh
KY
06/12/2014
Start with a small dose of Chanca Piedra and slowly increase as the days go by. For the meds, slowly decrease dosage.
Replied by Rhea
Manila, Philippines
06/12/2014
Thanks Timh from KY, won't there be any side effects from the chanca piedra? can I decrease the entegard by taking it every other day? because as of now I'm taking it once a day.
Replied by Timh
KY
06/12/2014
If the pills are tablet you can break them in half for starters for maybe two weeks then 1/2 pill every other day for maybe a month and hopefully will be able to not need the chemical meds anymore.

I have been using Chanca Piedra for chronic active viral hepatitis w/ good results and zero side effects for about 1yr.

Replied by Jingle
Us
02/10/2015
I just started the baraclude 0.5mg per day, can I take Chanca Piedra meanwhile? Thanks a lot!

Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 11/27/2009 | 1121 Posts

[YEA]  Ayurvedic Cure for Hepatitis

Hi everyone...There is an Indian plant called Bhumya Malaki -- also known as "StoneBreaker" or "Seed Under Leaf" or Chanca Piedra -- that grows as a weed in the tropics. This is widely used in Indian herbal medicine and is, at present, the only cure for Hepatitis B that is proven by research -- Evidence here on use, efficacy, safety, contraindications and research:

http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm

http://www.herbalcureindia.com/herbs/bhumyamalaki.htm

This herb grows as a weed in my compound in the Philippines where I live and is a most useful herb for a host of problems, good for almost any illness and I use it all the time myself. It is also a harmless herb, with no recorded side-effects.

If you can, visit an Ayurvedic herbalist, and I can almost guarantee that he or she will prescribe this herb amongst others for Hepatitis.

To be effective against Hepatitis, an aqueous decoction(herb boiled gently in water) must be made. A tincture is not so good. My method is to take one or two small plants, cut them up, bash them to lightly bruise it and open it up, throw all this into a pot, add 2 litres of water and boil this down gently to 1 ltre, cool, strain and then pour into a container and store in the fridge. I pour out a third of a glass of this decoction twice a day, add a little orange juice(decoction is very bitter) plus a little more water and down it in one.

Chanca Piedra or Bhumya malaki acts directly on the Hepatitis B virus by preventing reproduction, with virtually complete disappearance of the H-B antigen within a month of using this protocol.

Phyllanthus niruri or Chanca Piedra is a plant with a unique feature -- it isn't called "Seed-Under-Leaf" for nothing and may be identified as a small plant that grows 30-40 cms high and eventually forms small seeds all along the leaf stems. Here are some useful pictures of the plant:

http://www.chirinka.com/catalog/images/phyllanthusniruri.jpg

http://anthrome.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/stonebreaker.jpg

Replied by Jam
Pasig City, Philippines
01/16/2010
Hi I had read your claim regarding CHANCA PIEDRA, I also made some research, thou not totally proven yet I believed that this will help my friend... my question is where can I get this herb..
Replied by Climategate
Los Angeles, Ca
02/02/2010
Do a search on line. There as a place located in San Diego that I buy from but this site does not allow for names. For me the tea sweated with honey worked. Also plant based selenium, alpha lipoic acid and milk thistle. Make sure to take a general multivitamin too.

All of the above mentioned items WILL lower the viral load!

Replied by Hauwa
Fct, Abuja
10/06/2010
How can I get your hepatitis B remedy in Nigeria?
Replied by Bash
Abuja, Nigeria
08/25/2011
Hauwa CHANCA PIEDRA is everywhere in Nigeria, u can recognise it as weed if u have the picture
Replied by Bayo
Nigeria, Ogun State
03/16/2012
Just noticed about the seed under leaf plant also known as Chanca Piedra and I discovered that its a plant that grows all most everywhere in Africa Nigeria and may be recognize as weed. Just got some now for my use and I hope it will cure my Hepatitis B in Jesus name. I need somebody to say Amen for me...
Replied by Ranjith
Tamilnadu, India
04/22/2012
[YEA]   What is salvia/ligustrum? Where I will get in India?
Replied by Emmy
Abuja, Nigeria
06/25/2012
Thanks all. Please anyone from Nigeria, most especially Bash from Abuja should contact me via emjosh(at)ymaildotcom. I want to get the plant and start taking. Thanks
Replied by Rj
Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
01/20/2013
Hi Bill, I like to know where can I buy the Chanca Piedra. I have hep B since I got tested last february 2012. I been using Korean Red Ginseng and my Hbsag count goes down and down. Can you help me?
Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
01/21/2013
Hi R from Quezon.... You are definitely living in the right place if you want to buy Chanca piedra.

They sell Chanca piedra (also called Sampa-sampalukan in Filipino) in the herb section at Quiapo Market (aka Quinta Market) just next to both the Church of the Black Nazarene and Quezon Bridge. You can buy chanca piedra as a plant there and perhaps grow it in your garden and use it like that.

Replied by Leon
Fl
09/15/2013
How can I find this plant I state? How can I find best pills form if I cannot find the plant? Thank you

General Feedback   2  0   

Posted by Nitin (Panipat) on 06/03/2014

You can consult ayurvedic doctors online for help with Hep-b.

http://www.ayurvedaconsultants.com/

They are really helpful. I tried this.

Posted by Elumalai (Bangalore) on 04/30/2014

[YEA]  I'm Elumalai, living in Bangalore. Since 4 year I am hep b positive, can be possible get negative?

Posted by Kumar_pp123 (Kerala, India) on 02/03/2014

Dear Oscar and all,

Hope all is well, I want know that which country allow to work with Hep b, could tell me the name of the country? Regards, Ranjith

Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York
02/04/2014
Dear Kumar, I do NOT know of any country that sanctions BHT as a treatment for ANYTHING. The same is true of many if not most of the treatments discussed in this forum. BHT is sold as a food preservative. And as far as I know BHT is available in India sold as a food preservative. Also I am NOT a doctor and have NEVER pretended to be one. If you want whatever assurances a doctor can provide you NEED to see a doctor and use the treatments he or she prescribes....Oscar
Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York
02/04/2014
Kumar from India, Are you asking what countries allow a hepatitis B carrier a work visa ? A permit to work in that country ? If so I do NOT know. You need to be clear about what you are asking. If this is your concern there may be people here who can help you....Oscar
Replied by Kumar_pp123
Kerala, India
02/05/2014
Dear Oscar, Thanks for your reply, and could you help me which country allow to work Hep b carrier with work permit without any restriction on the medical OR which country issue the work permit for the Hep b carrier ? without any concern, because last year some of the listed country lifted the ban for the HIV carrier to work or tourist for their country. Regards, Ranjith
Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York
02/07/2014
Dear Ranjith from India. This a very hard question to answer.For example I am reading reports that China has lifted such restrictions. But even those reports are confusing. Many factors may apply for the different countries. What country or countries were you most interested in working in ? Job skills, age, and other things all matter. I truly wish I could help you with this. But I am NOT in any way up on this issue. If you can afford to pay a lawyer who specializes in this issue [ work visas for hepatitis B carriers ] that would be my advice. The issues are many and complex. If you can find a lawyer you trust he or she may be able to get you what you want and where you want.

There are times when there is no substitute for a GOOD lawyer....Oscar

Posted by Oregano (On, Canada) on 07/27/2013

Hello, I would like to contact people living with Hepatitis B or C (I have B) or parasitical infections to contact me to discuss the same issues for God's sake:

pollopollop(at)live.ca Best regards

Posted by Jhe (Baguio Cuty, Philippines) on 07/11/2013

[YEA]  I am so much desperate my plans are all failure I took physical exam. And I was so discouraged when I recieved my HBsag 55 "reactive" it's like I can no longer work overseas, in fact that is my dream in the level of my understanding I can no longer be cured and how about my family are they infected too. Please help.

Posted by Glen (Antipolo City, Rizal) on 06/20/2013

My hepa b surface antigen screening test -positive: I need some advice to convert it to negative please.. Thank you.

Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York, Usa
06/23/2013
Dear Glen from Rizal, That test you described indicates that you are infected with the hepatitis B virus. Fully one third of people now alive are infected with this viral disease. For most of those people it is not a big problem. For some it is. There are remedies or treatments discussed in this forum`s REMEDIES tab. I myself recommend the BHT treatment....Oscar

Posted by Tara09 (Ahmedabad, Gujrat, India) on 02/19/2013

hepatitis b: hi I have just done my test on 13/02/13 and I got hbsag +
Then doctor asked me to do further tests and they are
hbeag - non reactive
hbv viral load -101 IU/ml
anti hbc Igm - 0.08 negative
anti HBe - 0.14 (positive)

my doc has to say that I am having chronic hepatitis b with inactive virus and no treatment needed. but I cannot get rid of virus anytime and can't become Hbsag negative. please guide me with the same... Is there any chances???

Replied by Akanni
Ogun, Nigeria
08/02/2013
To jamaal2013 plz, I need ur help asaap, I am positive wit HB, can u pl add me up on facebook (@Rooneeey) and I need the yoruba name of chanca piedra leaf or how do I get it here in Lagos. Will like to have a chat with you. Is there anybody that know the name of the chanca piedra leaf in yoruba or were to see it in Lagos. Thanks
Replied by Paul
Lagos, Nigeria
08/15/2013
The Yoruba name for Chanca Piedra is EYIN OLOBE. You could get this from any ELEWE OMO in Lagos.
Replied by Akinl
Lagos, Nigeria
09/05/2013
Chanca Piedra is everywhere in Lagos, try Oyingbo market you probably will get it there the other name for the plant is SEED UNDER LEAF my part of Yoruba calls it EYIN OLUBI (do-do-re-re-re)

Has anybody read or used quails egg for hepatitis and liver health? I need enlightenment about it.

Posted by Livercursexlm (St John's, Newfoundland, Canada) on 11/13/2012

Ted/Bill or anyone knowledgeable, If one is taking Salvia for hep B, is it advisable at the same time to be drinking chanca piedra tea? thanks in advance.

Replied by Bill
San Fernando, Philippines
11/17/2012
Hi Livercursexlm... Salvia is a much used Chinese herb which is a strong anti-viral. I see no reason why you shouldn't use chanca piedra with salvia, since several people attest to its efficacy when used together with chanca piedra against Hep B.

From the EC archives:

Max from Commerce Township, Michigan replies: "Hi, I just converted Hbsag positive to negative. I could not believe it. My viral load was low. But my doctor said the same thing: you cannot do anything with it, just monitor. But I told him that I am going to fight. And I did. I experimented with both chanca piedra and salvia/ligustrum. When I drunk chanca piedra, my viral load went down to undetectable. But I stopped taking it, because I did not know how long I should take. After some time, my results went up a little bit, then I started taking salvia/ligustrum. And yesterday I saw my doctor who told me that my Hbsag is negative. He did not ask me what I am taking, but said that keep doing whatever I am doing. I also started taking Quercenol (a mix of vitamins, minerals and milk thistle). I am still taking salvia and quercenol hoping that I will become immune and my Hbsab will become positive. But salvia can be taken for 3 months and later you need to take a break.

Chanca piedra is better when you make a strong tea."

Source: http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hepatitis-b.html

There are also other examples of people using salvia with chanca piedra on the above page link.

Posted by Max (Commerce Township, Michigan) on 11/12/2012

This question is for Bill. Please answer my quetion. I tried to find info on Internet, but Wikipedia was really confusing.

Can hep b virus come back after clearing HBsAg? My doctor was not sure about it or he wanted to scare me. My test results are:

HBsAg -negative, Hepatitis B Ab - 628.1, H Be Ab -positive, Hep Be Ag - negative, HBV DNA Qnt PCR

Replied by James
Bangkok
12/13/2012
Hello max, congratulations! How long did you have hep b for?
Replied by Max
Commerce Township, Michigan
12/15/2012
Hi James. I do not know how long I had it. I found out when I was pregnant with my first child eight years ago. I never had any symptoms.

HBsAg Treatment   1  0   

Posted by F Ahmad (Delhi, Bihar, India) on 05/05/2013

Dear ALL, Thanks Every one help each other through this website. Any One has cured HBsAG positive to Negative please update?

Name of Treatment (Herbal, Ayurveda, Homeopath, Allopath), Name of medicine used to cured, duration and other full detalis.

Hope to listen

F Ahmad, Delhi

Replied by Oscar
Syracuse, New York, Usa
05/05/2013
BHT [ butylated hydroxytoluene ] worked for me for hepatitis B and C. I used a dosage of 250mg of BHT twice a day with a gulp of distilled water on an empty stomach twice a day....Oscar
Replied by Venugopal
Durg, India
01/15/2015
[YEA]   I am suffering from HBsAg as I was detected for this virus in 2000 but I have no symptons and as such I married and have 2 children but neither of them till date have no such infections. Mine as per my doctor is reactive is there any way it can be made non reactive. Thanks.
Replied by Bill
San Fernando
01/15/2015
Hi Venugopal...You should be able to get rid of the HBsAg using the Chanca piedra herb in a tea or decoction. It acts as an anti-viral that directly inhibits the reproduction of HBV.

This plant commonly grows all over India so you should be able to purchase the Chanca piedra tea or powder from any Ayurvedic doctor. Chanca piedra(CP) is called bhumy-amalaki in India. This remedy is cheap and effective. See the research here:

Chanca Piedra Research

I also use CP tea to keep my blood sugar, blood fat and blood pressure at healthier lower levels. A simple CP tea(drunk 3 times a day) will also dissolve and eradicate any gallstones and kidney stones in your body and it will also act as a protective for the kidneys and liver.

Replied by Jingle
Us
02/10/2015
Hi Bill,

I have read a few posts from you about Chanca Piedra. Want to ask you a few questions:

My liver panel was abnormal about one year ago and had high DNA, but after 2~3 months, the liver panel(ALT, AST and etc) all changed to normal, and DNA decreased to <500; but I didn't monitor them for about year, so in this Jan, I had a test and ALT/AST are mild elevated, but DNA is about 10^7. Following my doctor's words, I just started to take baraclude a few days ago; and the doctor said I will be on the medication for the rest of life. kind of scared...

Say you and a few ppl here cleaned up the virus, so wonder if I can still take Chanca Piedra and Salvia Ligustrum, while I'm taking baraclude at the same time? or I have to stop baraclude?

Meanwhile I'm taking lots of Vitamin C, and some milk thistle and selenium and tumaric and Vitamin B. Are they safe to take? also is Vitamin E safe? Thanks a lot!

Replied by Bill
San Fernando
02/10/2015
Hi Jingle...Chanca piedra is a well-known anti-viral against Hep B and jaundice and is also beneficial against kidney stones and gallstones. I have even read a piece of research where chanca piedra had a high cure rate -- and these people were cured very quickly with Hep B virus levels near zero.

"Two human studies reported chanca piedra's liver protective and detoxifying actions in children with hepatitis and jaundice. Indian researchers reported that chanca piedra was an effective single drug in the treatment of jaundice in children, and British researchers reported that children treated with a chanca piedra extract for acute hepatitis had liver function return to normal within five days. Researchers in China also reported liver protective actions when chanca piedra was given to adults with chronic hepatitis."

Source: Raintree Herbal Databse

Chanca piedra also appears to be effective against liver cancer:

"A 2000 study even documented that chanca piedra increased the life span of mice with liver cancer from thirty-tree weeks (control group without treatment) to fifty-two weeks. Another research group tried to induce liver cancer in mice that had been pre-treated with a water extract of chanca piedra. Their results indicated the chanca piedra extract dose-dependently lowered tumor incidence, levels of carcinogen-metabolizing enzymes, levels of liver cancer markers, and liver injury markers. Both studies indicate that the plant has a better ability to prevent and slow down the growth of tumors rather than a direct toxic effect or ability to kill cancer cells."

Source: Raintree Herbal Databse

Baraclude is commonly used as an anti-viral against Hep B. But this drug does have some significant side effects -- see here. I also think that going to your doctor and asking him or her about whether you should take chanca piedra would be a wasted and costly exercise. Why should a doctor -- who is completely untrained in the use of herbs -- know anything about chanca piedra? So I'm afraid the decision as to how to use the Chanca piedra lies with you alone. Perhaps you can find a knowledgeable naturopath who can help to monitor your progress. The other thing you could perhaps do is start taking the chanca piedra at low dose to see its effects. If these effects are positive, with a reduction in viral load, then you could start to lower the baraclude dosage while increasing the chanca piedra dosage at the same time.

The easiest way to take chanca piedra is as a tea or decoction. Take chanca piedra tea three or four times a day outside mealtimes. Lastly and most importantly, whenever you buy herbs you should always buy the highest quality organic herbs which have minimal have heat or chemical processing involvement. The raw powdered form of organic chanca piedra is best with the most efficacy.

Chanca piedra also has no known side-effects.

As a matter of fact, over the past week or so I've been drinking a strong chanca piedra decoction to help reduce high blood pressure, reduce blood fats, reduce blood sugar, reduce excess blood calcium and to also help reduce high blood pressure. I do this periodically because my diet is certainly not perfect. I simply refer to this as taking out the trash -- all about preventative maintenance.

Replied by Jingle
Us
02/11/2015
Hi Bill,

Thanks for the quick and thorough answers. That helps a lot!

So it is safe to take chanca piedra and baraclude at the same time? and will the two interfere with each other? If taking both, how can I tell which one is contributing the decrease of viral load - chanca piedra or baraclude?

Can the chanca piedra eventually clean up all the viral load and change HBsAg to negative?

Also you mentioned to take a low dose of chanca piedra, how many times should I take a day ? still 3 ~ 4 times a day, and one cup a time? how long should I take chanca piedra? Can I take the tea forever if there is no side-effect? I think you or somebody also took Salvia Ligustrum to change the HBsAg to negative? If so, should I introduce Salvia at some point?

In US, where can I get the high quality organic chanca piedra tea? Is Whole Foods a good place to go?

Thanks a lot for your help!

Replied by Bill
San Fernando
02/11/2015
Hi Jingle...As I've said, baraclude is a medicine with significant side effects. From the Baraclude website here are the reported side-effects of baraclude over the long term:

Baraclude can cause serious side effects including:

  • Lactic acidosis (buildup of acid in the blood). Some people who have taken BARACLUDE or medicines like BARACLUDE have developed a serious condition called lactic acidosis. Lactic acidosis is a serious medical emergency that can cause death and must be treated in the hospital. Reports of lactic acidosis with BARACLUDE generally involved patients who were seriously ill due to their liver disease or other medical condition.Call your healthcare provider right away if you: feel very weak or tired; have unusual (not normal) muscle pain; have trouble breathing; have stomach pain with nausea and vomiting; feel cold (especially in your arms and legs); feel dizzy or light-headed; have a fast or irregular heartbeat.
  • Serious liver problems. Some people who have taken medicines like BARACLUDE have developed serious liver problems called hepatotoxicity, with liver enlargement (hepatomegaly) and fat in the liver (steatosis). Hepatomegaly with steatosis is a serious medical emergency that can cause death. Call your healthcare provider right away if: your skin or the white part of your eyes turns yellow (jaundice); your urine turns dark; your bowel movements (stools) turn light in color; you don't feel like eating food for several days or longer; you feel sick to your stomach (nausea); you have lower stomach pain
  • If you are female, very overweight, or have been taking nucleoside analogue medicines, like BARACLUDE for a long time, you may be more likely to get lactic acidosis or serious liver problems.

Source: http://www.baraclude.com/index.aspx#indication

I'm just hammering the point that I think Baraclude is a particularly dangerous medicine because it can cause body acidosis and is so obviously toxic for the liver and can even cause jaundice/cirrhosis over the longer term.

However, from the research, Chanca piedra has no known overdose limit and no known side-effects for the body over the short or longterm.

So it is safe to take chanca piedra and baraclude at the same time?

From the evidence above, common sense would seem to suggest that chanca piedra is the safer one to take for your condition. If you take baraclude at the same time as chanca piedra, then baraclude will act to weaken the body(acidosis) and weaken the liver(causing jaundice) while, at the same time, the chanca piedra(no side-effects) is trying to defeat the Hep B in order to heal the liver. Simply put, baraclude seems to work against the liver healing and Hep B killing effects of chanca piedra. So if it were me, I would just take only the chanca piedra every day and monitor my viral count and progress on a monthly or tri-monthly basis with the doctor as normal.

Can the chanca piedra eventually clean up all the viral load and change HBsAg to negative?

Yes, chanca piedra can cure Hep B. On the other hand, baraclude is only recommended to lower viral load. Modern medicine has no consistent cure for Hep B.

Also you mentioned to take a low dose of chanca piedra, how many times should I take a day ?

If you're start taking chanca piedra on its own everyday then you should work up to a maximum of four cups of tea a day taken outside mealtimes.

how long should I take chanca piedra?

You can take chanca piedra tea as long as you like. Until you are cured.

I think you or somebody also took Salvia Ligustrum to change the HBsAg to negative? If so, should I introduce Salvia at some point?

You can take Salvia ligustrum with chanca piedra if you wish. But a good organic form of chanca piedra powder should be able to kill off the Hep B virus on its own in my opinion.

You should be able to buy wildcrafted organic chanca piedra online at Amazon or Ebay. I get my own supply of organic chanca piedra from my garden in the Philippines and prepare the herb myself.

Replied by Jingle
Us
02/11/2015
yeah, the reason why it's hard to decide what to do, is I just started the baraclude, and am scared of stopping baraclude now because of the high DNA viral load...As you said, it's OK to take both of them at the same time earlier? but now seems the two things might interfere... any further explanation will be appreciated..
Replied by Hbsagcuredd
Philippines
04/15/2015
Mind you the treatment was not easy. It includes strict self - discipline especially when it comes to foods. Avoid all kinds of processed foods, dairy, alcohol, cigarette smoking and other harmful vices. Main foods include mostly green and leafy vegetables and fruits. The treatment was a combination of natural medicine and western medicine. The doctor advised ENTECAVIR (because of high viral load) and the natural doctor prescribed SELENIUM. After 2 years of treatment, HbsAg is non reactive. Take note, the case here is chronic hepatitis b (30 years). Relapse didn't occur because continuation of a healthy living is currently practiced. If I had been cured this means that everyone can be cured from this illness.

Now, if How long and when will you be cured is a difficult question. It's only the Almighty who can answer this. If you want to start treatment, start the changes in your lifestyle. Self - discipline is very much needed and highly essential for the treatment. Next would be laboratory monitoring of Hbsag and Hbeag as well as Sgpt/Sgot. You can do it monthly for at least 3 months to check for the progress of the treatment and if there's a continuous positive result, do it every 2 or 3 months. Treatment is expensive but it is worth it. Good luck


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