Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- Caution: Is There an Excitoxin in Your Supplement?
- How to Make Your Own Vitamin C
- Taking Vitamin C in Solution
- Vitamin C: More Than Just an Anti-Oxidant
- Alkaline Vitamin C
- Ascorbic Acid for the Skin
- Asthma, Allergies
- Bacterial Vaginosis
- Chronic Allergies
- Citric Acid
- Dream Inducer
- Energy Levels, Libido
- Energy Levels, Varicose Veins
- Food Poisoning
- Fountain of Youth
- General Feedback
- Genital Herpes
- Heart Failure
- Heavy Menstrual Flow
- High Cholesterol
- High-Dose Vitamin C Therapy
- Homemade Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C
- How to Make Sodium Ascorbate
- Insect Bites
- Knee Pain
- Large Doses of Vitamin C
- Liposomal Vitamin C
- Low Acidity
- Lung Cancer
- Lypospheric Vitamin C
- Multiple Cures
- Numbing and Tingling in the Feet
- Side Effects
- Sinusitis, Acid Reflux and Arrhythmia
- Skin Disorders
- Sore Throat
- Spider Bites
- Vitamin C and Vegetable Nitrates
- Vitamin C in Pine Needles
- Vitamin C Iv
- Weight Loss, Chronic Allergies
Last Modified on Apr 23, 2014<< Continued from page 2
[YEA] 04/13/2009: Abby from Cincinnati, Ohio, USA: "I've been reading the posts about Vitamin C. I have taken absorbic acid Vit. C for at least six years with no difficulty. I take 6000mg -- 2 1000mg tabs 3 times a day. I have also tested my pH in the past and it was within normal limits. Does this mean that this kind of Vit. C is alright for me? I just starting taking coconut oil and apple cider vinegar. Will these counteract the acid effect of the absorbic acid? I really do not want to buy the more expensive Vit. C if I am okay with the one I'm taking."
[YEA] 05/17/2009: Cesar from Panama: "I was diagnose with genital herpes around 1996, from that time I had to take medicine for that every 3 repetitions by year. In 2001 I started to take a daily dose of 500mg of Vit C, and after 9 years my genital herpes never returned. I continue taking Vit C without any side effects."
[YEA] 12/12/2008: Spence from Sparta, Tn: "In reference to C side effects I have a heart failure problem and I mega dose alot of supplements for this condition. In regards to Vitamin C I normally take 6000mg divided into 3 doses daily. In the winter during cold season I increase my doseage to 9000mg daily to ward off colds etc. I personally use vitamin C with rose hips absorbic acid capsules. The only side effects I am aware of not to say there may be others is loose bowel movements if you injest more C than your body can handle. No big deal. Just back off a little. I also found in my case I can gradually build back up slowly with no more of these issues. While we know the C vitamin is a plus for many ailments you might want to consider a B complex supplement as well. I personally prefer the 100mg complex capsules and take them 3 times a day with the C. The benefits are numerous. But hey! I'm no doctor. I just know what works for me. One more tip if I may. Mega doses of water soluable vitamins for the most part are safe within reason where as oil base supplements is a whole different can of worms and should be monitored carefully. Spence"
EC: More about HF here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_failure
05/04/2011: Tryingtostayhealthy from Half Moon Bay, Ca, United States replies: "I take 5 grams ascorbic acid powder and 4 grams lysine powder mixed in a glass of water every day (Pauling Protocol). I add a pinch of bicarbonate of soda and drink a little bit throughout the day. The side effect I have is that I have to urinate every hour. I feel fairly certain the C is the cause because when I stop a day the problem decreases. I know vitamin C is a diuretic but is there anything I can do to lessen this problem?
As background info I am a 56 year old male who had a heart attack 18 months ago and had 2 stents placed at that time. I take simvastatin (Zocor generic statin drug) and 1 full aspirin daily. I cannot be certain what is the major benefit whether it is the stents, drugs, exercise, or the vitamin C and lysine mixture but I am feeling good and not had any problems since. My hunch though is that it's the vitamin C - lysine mixture and exercise that is helping quite a bit.
I plan to keep taking the vitamin C and lysine forever so I would like to find a way to cure the frequent urination problem. Thank you for any suggestions."
05/05/2011: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe replies: "try taking less."
05/05/2011: Jay from Toronto, Ont, Canada replies: "Tryingtostayhealthy from Half Moon Bay, Ca, United States writes: "I take 5 grams ascorbic acid powder and 4 grams lysine powder mixed in a glass of water every day (Pauling Protocol). I add a pinch of bicarbonate of soda and drink a little bit throughout the day.
There is research to show that any benifit of a single large dose of vitamin C is significantly reduced in the human blood stream within 5 hours. Split your dose across your day at 4 hour intervals to maximize its benefits. This makes sense since most animals make their own vitamin C and have a continuous flow of it into their bloodstream rather than a big "hit" once a day. They also make even more than normal amounts of vitamin C to cope with stress or injury. Also spreading the supply across time as required allows the body processes that can use the extra vitamin to basically operate their processes continually rather than starting up when adequate vitamin C is available and then shutting down these processes a few hours later when supply is low.
FYI: Doctor Irwin Stone and Doctor Mathias Rath both worked with or corresponded with Doctor Linus Pauling on vitamin C and both of these men have written books on vitamin C and the heart. You can find both books free online."
01/11/2013: Moreytftf from Lewiston/auburn, Maine replies: "In response to Jay from Toronto, Ont Canada. Dr Weil also wrote books on many things including high dosage of vitamine C and it was very helpfuil for me... Look up 8 weeks to Optimal Health there's also an audio book that he reads himself which I enjoyed because I could listen while I walked.
Also, I'm not sure what caused your heart attack but you may be interested in research done by a man named Dr Max Gerson and his daughter Charlette. They have both been curing cancer, and many other ailments for over 70 yrs, by nurishing the body with what the body needs in order to regenerate. It might be worth looking into.
Wishing you all the best of luck. ~T~"
Heavy Menstrual Flow
[YEA] 08/06/2007: MARTHA from LAREDO, TEXAS: "I was having a very heavy menstrual period, I was miserable I could not go out any where this was my second month and the only thing the nurse from my doctor's office recommended was to rest. My doctor said I was a candidate for a D&C if my period would continue the same. I was recommended to use vitamin c 1 to 2 1000mg pills a day. I was on my 3rd day of heavy torment and I took 2 1000mg vitamin c this made my heavy flow to ease up and I continued my regular menstrual period the next two days. I was recommended to use vitamin c 1000mg one week before my period one to two pills a day and take it all thru the last day of the menstrual period. This really works I am back to normal and happy to share this with other women who are suffering what I did."
07/16/2007: Chuck from Tukwila, WA: "I was reading where high Cholesterol can be fixed by taking 3000-5000 mg of vitamin C per day. The theory is cholesterol attaches itself to lesions in your blood vessels. The Vitamin C repairs the lesions thus allowing the body to flush the cholesterol that is not needed naturally. Further the articles stated Cholesterol is needed to heal nerves that get damaged. The statin drugs stop the body from making cholesterol thus the nerves don't get healed. I took a fall 2 years ago and no one can figure out why I am in pain. I have been on statin drugs for 4 years. My theory is I damaged nerves in the fall and the lack of cholesterol is not allowing my nerves to heal. I weaned myself off the Lipitor. And am taking 1500 mg 3 times a day of vitamin C. I don't know if it will work I hope so. But I have noticed my memory is getting better"Replies
01/07/2009: Ed from Clarkston, Michigan replies: "Lipitor Muscle pain: I notice one person commented about taking Vit C in large doses to help controlling cholesterol. I have read a lot of similar articles as I have the same muscle pain that all the articles talk about in taking Statin drugs. My question is: If I stop taking statin drugs and use Vit C do the muscles rebuild - less the pain and how long does it take. I have been taking Lipitor and swithched to Sinvastain a year ago and have now developed severe muscle pain in legs. Will my blood test indicate a real cholesterol number or will the Vit C distort the cholesterol reading. I get my blood tested every 6 months.
01/08/2009: Desiree from Portland, OR replies: "If you drink milk, you might benefit from researching milk, and especially the homogenization process. This process creates fragmented jagged molecules which then pierce arteries causing cholesterol to patch up the wound, thus clogging arteries. Please remember that milk is a big business. I discovered this by reading a book called Radiant Health (author: Peskin) which exposes the food and health industry. I believe homogenized milk causes high cholesterol, heart disease and stroke. I believe that after age 2, we do much better getting our calcium from non-milk sources like vegetables. We are not defenseless against the food and health industries, but we have to be advocate of our own health by educating ourselves. Blessings."
01/22/2009: Julian from Moscow, Russia replies: "I was involved in the building of the Lipitor factory for the then Warner Lambert in Ringaskiddy, Cork Ireland. The Irish have never been good at keeping secrets. Lipitor comes from garlic.
Eat garlic, it doesn't have the side effects of Lipitor.
When you think about it, your body is the result of a million years of development. It has been 'built' to run on natural products not the chemicals that pharmacuticals have designed in the last 20 years."
EC: Cross-posted to the garlic page as well, thank you!
01/22/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn replies: "Hi Chuck, I didn't see anything mentioned about the cause of your pain, but if it started after the fall 2 years ago, at this stage it will probably be called traumatic arthritis.
I would suggest two things for that pain if it started shortly after the fall. The first one is MSM (methylsulfonylmethane), Now you know why it is known as MSM. The second one is old Edgar Cayce's castor oil packs. When you research on MSM you will find that it is most frequently used by holisitic practitioners to keep down inflammation and promote cellular regrowth. It is also a first cousin to sulphur (a natural mineral in our bodies) and what our bodies metabolize DMSO to. I think between the two, you will find the pain, much less, if not totally gone within 2 weeks after starting them.
Don't worry about MSM causing a reaction if you are allergic to sulfa drugs. I cannot take sulfa drugs without feeling worse after 3 days of it than I was before starting it for an infection. However I can take the MSM without problems, and I have plenty of allergic problems."
01/01/2010: Ron from Emporia, Kansas replies: "Hi Chuck,
You can type in "Lipitor co-enzyme Q10" in Google and will get several articles related to muscle pain and the Statins (Lipitor, Sinvastain, Mevacore [lovastatin], etc.).
A brief summary: Lovastatin (and other statins) do lower cholesterol, BUT they also lower Co-enzyme Q10. Without enough Co-enzyme Q10 the muscles in the body weaken (the heart is a muscle).
Merck, the drug company that makes Lovastatin (similar to Lipitor) has had a patent on a combination of Lovastatin and Co-enzyme Q10 since 1989 . K. Folkers is the doctor who has done the most research on Co-enzyme Q10. He was an employee of Merck, working out of the University of Texas. Since Merck has the patent on the Lovastatin/C0-enzyme Q10 drug combo, no one else can market it and for money reasons Merck won't market it, nor have they alerted the public to the benefits of Co-enzyme Q10.
A local friend of mine had been taking Lipitor for a few years and developed severe muscle pain in her legs. She simply stopped taking it and the pain went away. She hasn't taken it since.
If you are worried about your cholesterol, you might look at the Cholesterol section on this web site. At the top of the page, click on Ailments, then C, then Cholesterol. Some good remedies, especially Apple Cider Vinegar."
High-Dose Vitamin C Therapy
10/11/2013: Sdk from Ontario, Canada: "How to Reconstitute Ascorbic Acid into Organic Form:
Dear sirs. As much as I appreciate buffering of ascorbic acid with lets say sodium bicarbonate, a much better way has been devised by one Jan Hromada in Czech Republic, who has passed the information into public domain. Ascorbic acid being rather a strong acid quite readily replaces many other organic acids in fruits and also readily ties to red pigments, for example betanins.
Jan Hromada has found out through his keen observation and following research, that tomatoes are one of the ideal red vegetables for this purpose, even if they are not of the best quality.
When 5g of crystalline ascorbic acid is blended with one whole average field tomato, a person can digest at least 40g of ascorbic acid (spread through out a day) in this form without the usual consequences of ascorbic acid overdose. Well, at least I can and I am not alone. I found this form even more accetable than liposomal C form. I believe that this information will further help many people to appreciate what high oral dosing of vitamin C can do for them.
With kind regards, Slavek."Replies
[WARNING!] 02/11/2014: Maxim from Geneve, Switzerland replies: "Just a note that I have not had success with Sodium Ascorbate. I feel it has negative impact on kidneys, so people should be careful about consuming Sodium Ascorbate. Lower back pain, strange urination of dark color and limited in amount. I beleive it is due to Sodium content, since I am not getting the same reaction to Calcium Ascorbate.
I have now ordered a 1kilo of Ascorbic Acid and plan to use it with tomatos according to Jan Hormada. Are there any articles or other info in English to read more about Jan Hormada's methods?"
Homemade Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C
03/01/2012: Linda from San Francisco, Ca, Usa: "Hello Good Earthclinic People, Here are 2 posts from Curezone detailing how to make a very cost-effective, homemade, do it yourself, EXCELLENT version of the (very expensive) Liposomal Vitamin C. I have made this several times, it works very well. I make it with Sodium Ascorbate, because Ascorbic Acid alone is way too acidifying for me (It only takes 1 simple modification to make DIY LET C from Sodium Ascorbate, how to do it is in the second post below).
This is very easy to do, and can save you a fortune.
****DIY LET C means Do It Yourself Liposome-Encapsulated Vitamin C
When I make a batch of this, I keep it in a covered wine carafe in the refrigerator.
Link to the first post:
Text of the first post:
I think this is information is of interest to probably every human being on the planet.
Good Health to All of Us,
From: Make Your Own Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C
From: Brooks Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: CS>Liposomal Encapsulation Technology: Vit "C"
In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in searching for possible "process" improvements/modifications which might facilitate the "lay person" an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable in a home environment we did achieve some notable progress.
First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area (LET).
Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK. Microteklabs. Com
Helpful information is available here.
One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic and not a man-made process, that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a function of an automatic, "natural tendency" of certain substances (e.g. Phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or
bubbles called liposomes-when in a aqueous solution under certain conditions. "
The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves with whatever aqueous solution they were in-before they were formed. "This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around virtually every cell in the human body. "
Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700 p.S.I. ) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case) to form liposomes-so small they require an electrom microscope for viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity. It just enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense force in their mixing methodology.
Enter the "enlightening" moment. Searching for a method of achieving liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation as an option. It worked maybe not quite as well as Livon's "high tech" brute force approach but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our purposes.
Our vitamin "C" liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:
Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:
1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water (preferably distilled). Note: This is key to being successful from the start. Mix the lecithin and distilled water in a seal-able quart jar so you can shake/agitate until the lecithin is completely dissolved. You don't want any lecithin granules visible. Keep agitating until all granules are dissolved.
2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. "C") in 1/2 cup of water.
3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened), gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically, self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed. Tip: Pour the dissolved Vitamin C solution into the seal-able quart jar with the dissolved lecithin and shake briefly prior to pouring into the ultra-sonic cleaner. If you dissolved your lecithin first as directed in the note above you will need to close the lid due to bubbling. Simply open the lid frequently and give the mixture a quick stir before closing the lid again.
4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg. ) of vitamin C product. At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.
Note: You can use the verification test described in comment #3 below to test the efficacy of your Liposomal Vitamin C. If you followed the tip about completely dissolving the lecithin granules prior to mixing in the ultrasonic cleaner you should have 75% encapsulation.
We use it so fast around our place there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The "homogenizing effect" is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature, no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of sequestered vitamin "C" has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested vitamin "c". That we have tested.
Additionally, it appears to be even more rapid in tissue-bed availability-than IV applications. An astounding revelation. To us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram. As against about $1.00 per gram from commercial sources.
It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this area,
is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be non-toxic and most helpful to OUR RESEARCHERS.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor Freight. Item number 91593. 2 liters, for about $60.00. Both units have performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate titanate, research grade, unit.
Hi all, After my first batch of LC sat in the fridge over night it separated wondering if anyone could explain why or what I might have done wrong? Brooks said it would not separate. Hum? Best regards, Sandy
Dear Sandy, My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in the protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is "The visible, obviously homogenized, portion of the solution", whenever I made the comment about the stability of the completed, resultant, material. I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.
Bottom line -your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus may present at the top or the bottom.. Or not at all. Usually if the initial material combination has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.. The meniscus will form on the top of the sample within a few minutes after stopping the US agitation.
If your procedure has run acceptably well and-long enough to homogenize well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after overnight storage with or without refrigeration.
In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome solution and dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.
I hope this information helps your dilemma.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment "around-the-edges" of this protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do such this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE just common sense.
Your question has been asked by others. (private inquires addressed directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the following explanation.
First, soy lecithin is a slow incorporator, when introduced into aqueous mediums. Sometimes. Especially, when there is a high lecithin granule population ratio-relative to the total water volume. The general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat "gelatinous" appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such circumstances they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your protocol.
However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin into the aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being incorporated into the parent solution-from very weak, to saturated (none of which are seriously compromising).
Under the best of conditions, even after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes. There is, often, a thin meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water. ] In the liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous, portion of the meniscus is principally made up of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem, in fact the lecithin component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects-beyond those being discussed here.
Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of the total parent solution and extending the time of US reaction exposure.
One reason for the condition you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated solution of lecithin. The more resistant the process becomes to accepting more granular lecithin into that solution until the point is reached where no further material will incorporate hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS EXPERIENCED.
In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin-or for that matter the ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus the ratios of the solution components.. Or the total water volume versus the protocol components primarily, because such elaborations would not serve usefulness/effectivity for the nontechnical.
DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home experimental research.
My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin fraction presenting as a meniscus.. Than to strive toward what I perceive to be a cosmetic achievement-of small consequence.. By means of diluting the total solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.. It is just not active in the liposome process until some parameter changes that avails it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.
My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one, regardless of reason. By just increasing the water volume and reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes. The remaining lecithin will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent strength with NO increase in total vitamin C component.
Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat "anyone". In any way. But, rather, to aid the less technically-informed on the list.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
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13 Responses to "Make Your Own Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C"
14. August 2009 at 21:43
Hello Everyone, Today I bought everything I needed to make my Liposomal Vit-C. My ultrasonic cleaner was on sale so that was a plus $24.95. I put everything together just like Brooks said and it all turned out the way he said would so I took my first dose the taste was not bad at all. I also bought some d-ribose powder and plan to make that into a liposomal concoction. I cannot wait to feel the results.
16. August 2009 at 16:03
From the Silver List.
Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield the DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a useful measure of liposomal encapsulate.
First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a cylindrical, 12 ounce water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1 ounce of distilled water and stir for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds.
Note: If the foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less in height you have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of one inch or less, you have about a 60% efficiency.
If the foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is just a trace.. You should major in chemistry.
The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C component incorporated during the encapsulation process.. That was actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation. The greater the foaming.
What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid fraction is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have tested.. As the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering. ) Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation than is the ascorbic acid form.
In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence in the DIY researcher. That they do in fact have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. I had, a few moments ago, just finished a much more extensive posting .. But some form of invasive advertising spam flashed across the top of my mail system and in attempting to circumvent/nullify the invader
I lost my entire post. The actual post your are receiving is the product of my existing dismay. The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
19. August 2009 at 16:18
Just to recapitulate (please correct me if I 've got anything wrong):
1) 2) The frequency and power of the ultrasonic cleaner (UC) seems to make not so much of a difference, and can be adjusted by increasing the duration of the dissolving process in the cleaner. Either a 50 watts, 42,000 cycles, $29. 0, or a 160 watts, five preset cycles, $69.99 would work almost as well as a $500.00 lead zirconate titanate, research grade, unit.
3) As a source of phospholipids the dried granular form seems to give better results than liquid soya lecithin. About 3 level tablespoons of lecithin granules should be dissolved into 1 cup of distilled water.
4) The ratio of pure ascorbic acid powder to distilled water should be 1 level tablespoon (12 grams) in 1/2 cup of distilled water dissolved separately.
5) Both solutions are next poured in the UC - better in a separate glass due to concerns of corrosion of the stainless steel container - and slowly stirred while the cleaner is turned on. After about 6 minutes of ultrasonic dissolving the entire solution should be blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like mixture. Ready for oral use.
6) "The visible, obviously homogenized, portion of the solution" will keep acceptably at room temperature for 3 to 4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.
26. August 2009 at 17:23
Am I understanding correctly that encapsulating Vit C liposomatically will multiply the amount of C exponentially like, grow more?? That is my understanding from reading it. Or does it just make the encapsulated C more bioavailable? Thanks for clarifying. ALSO IF it does somehow multiply the amount of C by the process, would this also work with other water-soluble supplements?
Instead of soy lecithin, would polysaccharides of various kinds work to liposomatically encapsulate them also?
Thanks for your answer.
26. August 2009 at 18:48
I like this technique a great deal. 7 years ago met Dr. Chen of Sunrider and he discussed his use of infusion of vitamins into food sources, making them bio available to the body. It was a very cool discussion, and also one that I did not know how to replicate.
This appears to be on the same plane. I've hoped to see this for a long, long time. So, kudos, and I will be participating in this going forward.
Oh, means I went out and acquired an Ultrasonic machines, some non GMO lecithin, ascorbic acid, and created my first brew. It worked. I sensed it worked very well. Ingestion of results, and one could sense this was a very cool protocol.
Loaded and mebbe premature question what else does the author feel can be LET'd? Would lecithin remain the carrier or transport layer in this? And could say, minerals or similar things be infused?
This is great science, or not science as the OP said, but it makes sense and my sense of the first results are very, very interesting. Me like
2. September 2009 at 22:16
I noticed several websites offering many types liposomal supplements apart from Vit C.
This got me thinking whether I can use the same method outlined here to encapsulate other supplements like curcurmin/tumeric powder which has a very low bioavailability?
13. September 2009 at 16:06
I have made several preps of lipo C ( using USC 2.5 liter model 95563 Chicago Electric Power Tools from Harbor Freight) as described by Brooks and all have worked well. I have tried several modifications:
1. increased the lecithin ( minimum 95% phosphatides) from 3 to as high as 6 tablespoons( 42. 0 grams)
2. have used a power hand mixer with "wire beater" to mix lecithin appears to "soluibilize" the lecithin much faster than the shaking time in a bottle
3. have used sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate and ascorbic acid sometimes as a combo amounts 16.6 to 89.0 grams
4.with high amounts of C I have used 4-5 cycles of 180 sec each( started with 90 sec but increased the last few) have measured surface temp with digital laser thermometer 84-88 degrees F at the end of 5th cycle ( have not used heater)
5. have kept USC cover on last number of preps with 1 or 2 stirrings
Purchased a commercial liposome prep 8 oz bottle with 10 gm C/ounce very syrupy
I have assumed that the commercial prep is getting a greater conc of lecithin to get
that high of a concentration of C
6. stored all preps in the refrigerator
4. October 2009 at 11:21
Those reading this subject will further benefit from the discussion on Liposomal Vitamin C Absorbate accessed from the links on the left.
20. October 2009 at 00:36
Mike asked about possibly using the liposomal method above for encapsulating curcumin. I wondered too because of all the research and extremely positive outcomes for curcumin use. The problem is its very low bioavailability and insolubility in water.
So I've tried using the same lecithin and water mixture as with the liposomal vitamin C, then adding a tablespoon of curcumin powder to a warmed 1/2 cup of olive oil and heating further until the mixture suddenly goes clear (prior to boiling). Then I follow the same protocol as with the liposomal vitamin C: mix and blend the lecithin mixture and the curcumin-olive oil mixture together, and put the mixture through the three rounds of ultra-sound. The result is what appears to be a granule free liquid that can be poured onto or into almost any food you might choose. It keeps well in the fridge and hasn't given me any trouble at all. The only difficulty of course is managing to keep free of the strong stain if you splash or spill any of the mixture.
I have no idea how to test the method for effective encapsulation. If anyone has a suggestion, please post.
21. October 2009 at 19:08
Hi. I'm sensitive to all forms of Vit. C except ascorbyl palmitate. If ascorbic acid bothers my stomach, will it still bother me after I put it in the UC? Will ascorbyl palmitate be OK to use instead? Thanks!
6. November 2009 at 15:55
Several others that had stomach problems with ascorbic acid found they had no problems taking their homemade liposomal Vitamin C. Best advice I can give is to try it. If you don't want to buy the ultra-sonic unit without knowing try one of the commercial brands first.
Link to the second post: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1563580#i
Text of the second post:
Subject: DIY Liposome-Encapsulated Vitamin C for those concerned about acidosis.
.. You can make the LE Vit C with Sodium Ascorbate by adding 1 TBSP (I use Bob's Red Mill, non-Aluminum) Baking Soda to the Ascorbic Acid before dissolving it in the water.
Otherwise, follow the recipe exactly as given, except you must mix the Vit C powder in a 32-oz container, adding water slowly and stirring until the fizzing stops. Then proceed exactly the same with the rest of the process.
The finished LET C will have a slight salty taste and no bite at all.
Note: Drink a lot of water after drinking this, it's important to help it work.
Good Health to All of Us,
How to Make Sodium Ascorbate
09/14/2009: Lilydy from Alice Springs, Australia: "Hi I just want to ask if anyone has an idea how to make your own sodium ascorbate? I read somewhere about mixing equal amount of baking soda and ascorbic acid, is this correct? Any suggestion will be appreciated as it is expensive here to buy the commercial ones. Thanks."Replies
09/16/2009: Bessie from Calgary, Alberta, Canada replies: "In response to Lilydy's question about making Sodium Ascorbate - I was told to use twice the amount of Vitamin C powder to baking soda (example, 1 teaspoon of Vitamin C powder mixed with 1/2 teaspoon baking soda). If you mix it with water, it will fizz up so just add a bit of water, wait until the fizzing stops and then add more water. Be careful not to take too much all at once, though. It can upset your stomach! Hope this helps."
10/13/2009: Lilydy from Alice Springs, Australia replies: "Thanks for your suggestion Bessie. Thanks also to Joyce from Joelton,TN who was very accommodating with her response via email. So far I have tried 10% baking soda to 90% ascorbic acid combination based on the ratio I observed in a lot of commercial sodium ascorbate. So for example, for 1 tsp of baking soda, I mix this with 9 tsp ascorbic acid. From this, I use 1 tsp of the mix in one or half a glass of water or juice. So far I don't have any issue of diarrhea from taking such combination. I take twice a day for days that I need more immunity."
10/18/2013: Suzy 49 from Eugene, Or replies: "I was not paying attention and bought sodium ascorbate crystals instead of ascorbic acid crystals! (I had been mixing the ascorbic acid with baking soda and adding water per the video by Deirdre) Can I use the sodium ascorbate the same way? I just was using this as a vitamin c supplements, I have no serious health issues."
10/19/2013: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe replies: "Suzy, sodium ascorbate IS ascorbic acid (vitamin C) mixed with sodium bicarbonate."
04/23/2014: Tomas from Vancouver, Bc replies: "Hi, I watched the YouTube video: Deirdre Layne presents Sodium Ascorbate with interest. It was good to find out that I can save 20% of the cost of my buffered vitamin C by doing it myself with baking soda. But, in the middle of the video Deirdre mentions that the solution dissolves better with Hot water. Question, isn't Hot water going to denature the vitamin C? Thanks, Tomas"
[YEA] 12/14/2008: Donna from Port Huron, MI: "We do backpacking in remote areas in northern Michigan where mosquitoes and black flies can make a trip unbearable. I read about taking Vitamin B6 to prevent bites, tried it and found it completely successful. But one time when backpacking with our daughter, I had forgotten the B6 but was taking Vitamin C up to my bowel tolerance level for a specific medical problem. So my blood and cells were full of Vitamin C. I noticed that my daughter's legs were covered with mosquitoes and black flies and in a few minutes, each bite would swell up and become red. I was surrounded by flies and mosquitoes but either I was not bitten (I did not feel anything) or I did not have any reaction. I think that the mosquitoes do not like the high acid content of the blood (I was taking the acidic form of Vitamin C). In addition, when cell and tissue fluid are saturated with Vitamin C, edemas will be removed by the body very quickly. I think this probably is why bites either do not swell or do not last very long if people are taking Vitamin C."
09/06/2011: Broken Hearted from Kansas City, Missouri,usa.: "This post is for PHYSICIST GARY WADE and Bill Thompson from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines or anyone who has the answer.
Hello, physicist Gary Wade, I read your recommendation on the treatment of lipid coated viruses with BHT.. , and I was interested, because I wish to use it to treat a highly resistant and difficult to treat hcv. As a result, I am reading other articles. One article said that vit. C should be taken with some sodium bicarbonate to reduce its acidity; some other article opposes this view, saying that sodium bicarbonate reduces the absorption of vit. C, but in your recommendation, you were silent in this. As a result, I am not taking the issue of NaHCO3 seriously.
My main reason of writing this, is what I read on the negative effects of high doses of vit. c on the following minerals:
CALCIUM, NICKEL, COPPER, ZINC, MANGANESE.
This article said that high doses of vit. C reduces these minerals in the body. In case of calcium, this mineral becomes removed from the bones, causing them to be brittle and easy to break.
Please, I request Physicist Gary Wade and Bill Thompson to address this issue, which is troubling. Please, any other person who has the answer can also address the issue. I will delay my treatment with BHT until I read people's opinions on the issue I have raised, because vit. c is a major component of Physicist Gary Wade's course of treatment with BHT.
Also, I wish to know if I can take the following: Silymarin, Methylsulfonylmethane, Selenium, Magnesium, Calcium Citrate, Potessium Iodide during treatment with BHT, and what can be regarded as the needed daily dosage, considering the daily usage of 8grams of vit.c.
Also, in a difficult case as the hcv that I have, can I add Oil of Oregano to my treatment? Will there be drug interaction that will be harmful to me or that will reduce the effect of the BHT?
I thank you all that will contribute your knowledge to give informed answers to these concerns.
May GOD bless you all."Replies
09/06/2011: Bill from San Fernando, La Union replies: "Hi Broken Hearted... In answer to your questions:
My main reason of writing this, is what I read on the negative effects of high doses of vit. c on the following minerals:
CALCIUM, NICKEL, COPPER, ZINC, MANGANESE.
It is true that Vitamin C is a chelator of metals so the best way to counter this effect is to take Fulvic/Humic acid drops seperately every day with the vitamin C. This contains about 60 essential body macro- and micro- minerals and makes these minerals highly bioavailable. I haven't got enough room to describe the many further huge benefits of Fulvic/Humic acid, so here is a link that covers it all:
Also I wish to know if I can take the following: Silymarin, Methylsulfonylmethane, Selenium, Magnesium, Calcium Citrate, Potessium Iodide during treatment with BHT, and what can be regarded as the needed daily dosage, considering the daily usage of 8grams of vit.c..."
I have taken Silymarin, MSM, Selenium and Magnesium Citrate all at the same time, usually at meals, without any side-effects or problems. I don't take potassium iodide -- I take lugols iodine or aqueous iodine because I think it is more beneficial overall than KI(which is also useful). The various glands and organs of the body absorb Iodine in different ways. Potassium Iodide and Iodine are different substances with different properties. It is absorbed, for instance, as only iodide by the thyroid. But the breasts and prostate can only absorb the iodine form. And in other areas of the body, both the iodide and iodine forms are happily absorbed. So, in my opinion, to get the full benefit to the body, lugol's (which contains both potassium iodide and iodine) is the best form to take because it covers all the necessary ground. I also understand that some people are quite sensitive to lugols iodine, so instead, Nascent Iodine or Atomidine (as Edgar Cayce recommended) is perhaps more useful and kinder to the body, but is also more expensive.
Regarding Calcium Citrate, I agree with Ted -- the western diet is over-fortified with calcium now, so no need to take any calcium at all -- more important to take magnesium to get rid of the excess calcium in your body. This is a bit tricky though -- and will depend on how much calcium you actually ingest, how old you are and how much processed food you are eating.
I usually take between 1 - 3 grams of vitamin c per day plus I eat fruits. Linus Pauling, a Nobel Prize winning chemist, took 10 -- 20 GRAMS of Vit C a day usually in ascorbate form and he lived till 93 y o. He also researched Vit C and discovered that most mammals like cows, goats, dogs, cats etc self-manufacture their own Vit C in fairly large amounts but that humans, bats and guinea pigs have to get their vitamin c from an external food source because they cannot self-manufacture vit c. In his own research, he also mentions that a small goat produces 12 GRAMS of vitamn c a day from their liver. And in times of stress, the little goat is capable of producing up to 18 grams of vit c. A goat is also way smaller than a human being. So how does this large daily dose for a small goat stack up against the recommended RDA dose of 75 MILLIgrams a day ? This means that the goat's daily Vit C intake is exactly 160 times higher than the human RDA for vitamin c.
I have read much research on BHT. Dr Denham Harman, the discoverer of the anti-oxidant nature of vitamins, regarded BHT as a super-anti-oxidant because, in his famous experiment in 1962, he found that BHT added to mice diets, when measured against a placebo control group, worked to extend the average lifespan of the mice taking BHT by 45%. See the research here:
Other options for you and daily dosages for most of the above, are given in a recent reply post of mine here:
Just to finally add that that Hep C will not become resistant to these remedies because:
* Both aspirin/lysine as well as BHT act to dissolve the lipid outer viral envelope of the Hep C virus which allows the immune system to attack and destroy the now de-cloaked virus. Thus there is no time for the virus to adjust to this protocol.
* The Berkson Triple Anti-Oxidant Protocol works to attack the Hep C virus by anti-oxidant action while at the same time helping to repair liver damage and is a successful therapy involving regular oral intake of Alpha Lipoic Acid, Selenium and Milk Thistle.
* Chanca Piedra(1000 mgs taken at mealtimes) acts to both protect liver hepatocytes(worker liver cells) and to inhibit the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme in the Hep B & Hep C virus, thus completely preventing the virus from replicating, mutating and becoming resistant to the action of Chanca Piedra."
[YEA] 12/06/2006: Barbara from Portland, OR: "I started taking high doses of Vitamin C to help ward off a cold virus. For the past several weeks I took 5-10 grams of Vitamin C. I noticed my knee pain disappeared. I am a runner/cross country skier who has virtually stopped these activities due to pain in my right knee. For 7 years I have tried glucosamine, calcium, MSM, and NSAIDs. I don't like taking NSAIDS. However, the other remedies did not relieve the pain and inflammation. Therefore, I have been tolerating the pain and have discontinued using NSAIDS. I was very surprised to find that the Vitamin C use correlated with complete pain relief and reduction of inflammation. So I stopped the C for a week and the pain returned. I have resumed the C and the pain is gone again."
Large Doses of Vitamin C
06/24/2010: Jennifer from Rochester, Ny: "Please read the following link for information on taking large doses of Vitamin C for its healing properties.
Wishing you well,
Liposomal Vitamin C
02/07/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa: "Does anyone know how long homemade liposomal vitamin C is good in the refrigerator? The recipe I followed said it would be good sitting out for a few days and "much longer" if kept in the refrigerator. I have used it for 10 days after making it (when keeping in the fridge) but not sure when to toss if after that.
~Mama to Many~"Replies
02/07/2014: Mike62 from Denver replies: "Mama: A woman stores hers at room temp. She squeezes all the air out after each use. This lasts 1 month. The c turns yellow when oxidized. Sunlight also affects the c."
02/08/2014: Timh from Ky replies: "Mama: Not 100% certain but I think I read that w/ refrigeration 6 months would be a minimal."
02/08/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa replies: "Dear Mike and Timh,
Thanks so much for your responses! They are most helpful!
~Mama to Many~"
09/10/2013: Ayesha from Mumbai, India: "Hello
I read a lot about liposomal vitamin c and its benefits. So I prepared it with soy lecithin and had it for 15 days. But my allergies increased and then I realised it may be due to soy lecithin. I am also estrogen dominant. So I stopped using soy lecithin. So anyone can please suggest me another kind of lecithin which does not increase estrogen. I heard about sunflower lecithin too. But I don't know whether it is estrogenic like soy. It is of great help to me if some one can enlighten me regarding this preparation of liposomal vitamin C.
09/10/2013: David from Central, Sc replies: "I make my own liposomal Vit C and use sunflower lecithin in the powder form... I get mine from swanson vitamins; it's about the same price as the soy.... and from what I've been told, it does not potentially produce the estrogenic problems that accompany soy products."
09/11/2013: Timh from Ky, Usa replies: "After many yrs of somewhat extreme environmental illness, I finally got the goods for Lipo C and had my first dose yesterday. I could actually feel the C doing it's magic. Although Dr Levine spells a good case for all manner of illnesses treated successfully w/ Lipo C, it appears that I will also need to experiment w/ Liposomal Encapsulated Glutathione as well as Liposomal ALA. At present I am very limited in function and desperate for some improvement and am much hopeful that this Liposome Technology is the antidote. Will update the progress."
09/11/2013: Rsw from Uniontown, Oh replies: "Best wishes, Timh! I hope this does the trick for you and you start feeling well and healing soon. Am going to try your Glutimine suggestion and have posted it on another site for others to see. I hope some of the good karma you send out with your interest in helping others and thoughtful suggestions comes back to you and heals your body and soul. Thanks!"
09/13/2013: Timh from Ky, Usa replies: "Thanks back at you Rsw, you are a big supporter here by way of info and encouragement. One good aspect on the path of hardship is finding out who is and who isn't a friend.
*correction* on above post. Dr. Levy NOT Levine."
[YEA] 10/06/2011: Jan from High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England, Uk: "Try Ester C, available in health shops, good luck!"