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MSM Cures and Side Effects
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MSM READER FEEDBACK
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[YEA] 04/20/2007: Laura from Ferndale, MD, USA writes: "I have had Psoriatic Arthritis since I was 10 years old, & one of the worst symptoms I've had for 38 yrs now, is daily shooting nerve pains in my extremities. The good news: when I take 1000 mgs of MSM daily, the shooting pains are completely gone. If I miss a few days, they always start up again. Love this site."
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[YEA] 02/23/2007: JoJean from La Grande, OR writes: "I also take MSM, however, if you read the literature...it tells you not to take it after 2 pm as it may cause sleeplessness. I have never experienced anxiety. I take 4 100 mg caps in the morning and 4 at noon with no problems. It does help my arthritis and my hair and nails grow like crazy."
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[YEA] 01/14/2007: GG from Houston, TX writes: "MY X PASTOR USED MSM WHEN SHE WAS A SEVERLY ASTHMATIC PERSON/ SHE HAD ASTHMA FOR YEARS FROM BEING ALERGIC TO ALL GRASSES, SHE ENDED UP TO 300 LBS IN THE HOSPITAL ON PREDIZONE AND DIEING CONSTANTLY ON ALBUTEROL ETC, IN THE HOSPITAL A NURSE GRABBED HER AND SAID YOU NEED MSM, SHE STARTED TAKING LIKE 6 PILLS A DAY, LOST ALL THE WEIGHT IT RESTORED ALL HER ORGANS FROM THE DESTRUCTION OF PREDIZONE AND IS NOW COMPLETELY OF ALBUTEROL IT SAVED HER LIFE!! JUST WANTED TO LET YALL KNOW, SHE HAS BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS AND NO ONE CAN TELL HER DIFFERENT!"
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[YEA] 07/23/2006: Charlie from Ft. Smith, AR writes: "I used both Apple Cider Vinegar and MSM to cure a "trigger finger". ' A big knot appeared on the inside of my thumb joint. It was EXTREMELY painful. I couldn't write or do anything with that hand. I didn't realize how important my thumb was. The dr. gave me a cortisone shot in it (ouch) and said if that didn't help, he would have to do surgery and cut the tendons in my thumb to try and relieve the pain. The cortisone shot didn't help. I received a magazine in the mail shortly after this talking about MSM. I decided I had nothing to lose by trying it. After a few weeks of using MSM, ALL the pain went away. (This all happened about 5 years ago). The knot was still there even though the pain was gone (it was a very obvious knot). I then started taking apple cider vinegar tablets and WOW, the knot disappeared!! It is still gone and so is the pain."
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[YEA] 01/06/2006: Aujah from Huntington Beach, CA writes: "When i was a child my right hip would make a popping sound when i walked. Later on in life, after having a full pain in my hips i found out that my legs are different lengths and was on my way to having arthritis at the age of 21. A friend recommended MSM to help with my nail and hair growth (i can't keep up with how fast my hair and nails grow now). After a week of taking MSM my joint pain was completely gone!!! i was not expecting it at all. Every once in a wile i will forget to take MSM for a few days and my hip pain is back in full swing. I am hooked and it sure is nice to have such strong nail's and healthy long hair."
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[YEA] Jane from Poulsbo, WA writes: "I have found that taking MSM seems to reduce pain from old injuries and arthritis. Also, MSM seems to add an essential nutrient to the system. It would be good to read one of the books written about this ingredient, nutritional sulphur, since it will answer many questions that people will have. I told a friend about MSM and he started to take it, and found he felt immensely less pain in his back."
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[YEA] Belle from Los Angeles, CA writes: "I recently started to take MSM to help with neck pain. While it's too soon to tell if it is helping, I can report that it is making my nails grow like crazy!!"
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MULTIPLE CURES
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[YEA] 11/08/2010: Lois from Quanah, Texas, Usa writes: "I had a bad shoulder pain in the joint. My elbow throbbed and my last three fingers were numb. I saw the Dr. I got a shot in the joint of the shoulder and after a couple of months I still hurt. I bought some MSM and took 4000 milligrams that morning, by afternoon it had stopped hurting. My fingers are no longer numb. I have copd and it has helped my breathing. I had a pulse ox of 90 sitting down and I noticed my pulse ox is 97 now. I find I can walk further. I have been on msm a month. I am so thankful for msm."
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[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS] 01/15/2010: John from Nyc, Ny writes: "I have been in the healing profession (practitioner, researcher, advocate) for 30 years, nothing comes close to my experience with MSM, I am so sorry it took this long to try it. My chronic asthma gone in 3 days!! On albuterol for almost 40 years. I am in shock. Some side effects which I consider to be cleansing symptoms. Nausea, sleeplessness and skin breakouts, but I did start on a high dose of 20 grams a day. After three weeks no more 'side effects'. My energy has greatly increased, I feel quite euphoric every day now. The only time I had that kind of euphoria was by drinking three glasses of organic green juices a day. I think people on heavy medications, mercury fillings, toxic diet are going to have more difficulties with it, so building up from a small dose with extra vitamin C and plenty of pure water will help.
The other supplement that really helps is Vitamin D3, I take 16,000iu liquid daily, no colds for two years now and my chronic bronchitis of 20 years has disappeared. Some years it was mild others, severe triggering serious asthma attacks. So the combination of Vitamin and MSM has been miraculous for me. This great website encouraged me to try MSM. Thanks so much.
p.s. Brushing my teeth with MSM has whitened them."
Replies01/17/2010: Ivory Coast from Loco, Ca replies: "THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS. I HAVE THE MSM AND MY CAT HAS ASTHMA. LORD KNOWS I'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON HER TO NO AVAIL. SHE THROWS UP THE ANTIBIOTIC. SHE ALSO HAS CONSTANT EYE INFECTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY SHE IS A MIDGET AND I CAN'T GET A LARGE PILL DOWN HER LITTLE THROAT. WHERE CAN I GET MSM IN SMALL PILLS?"
EC: MSM comes in powder form as well. See google shopping: http://www.google.com/products?q=MSM+powder&hl=en&aq=f
01/17/2010: Joyce from Joelton, Tn replies: "Hello Ivory Coast from Loco, Ca.
Look in the Yellow pages for a local farmers co-op store and go there to buy the MSM crystals for your little kitty. They will probably have it at a very reasonable rate.
Your kitty probably won't even realize she is getting it if you sprinkle it over some sardines or tuna. Sardines is probably healthier eating."
01/18/2010: Maz from Sydney, Australia replies: "I have started using 3000mg of pure MSM (capsule form) and also found my energy levels are through the roof! I'm taking msm for melasma but this is a fantastic side effect
Sorry for all the posts but I think this website has changed my life!
Maz :)"
10/13/2010: Kini from Tallahassee, Florida replies: "Try giving your cat a tablespoon of plain yogurt 1-2 times a day and it should help clear up the reoccurring eye infections (it did for my dog). I also give him 1 tablet of chewable acidopholis daily.. We haven't had any eye infections for 2yrs now!"
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SIDE EFFECTS AND WARNINGS
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 01/15/2011: Karen from Seligman, Mo, Usa writes: "Could someone help. This is strange. I started talking MSM a couple days ago and after second dose had palpitations and they don't stop and have been going on 24 hours now. I stopped taking MSM after it began and its still happening. Breath is hard to catch sometimes and I do not have these but maybe 2 a month and it's usually once. My BP is spiked at times and I have always had LOW LOW blood pressure. This is really creepy. I am also getting off white sugar at the same time and using brown for 4 days. So what's going on here? Don't yang about going to a Dr. If I hadn't already I wouldn't be here. They say nothing wrong but anemia."
Replies01/16/2011: Tom from Regina, Sk replies: "Karen:It souns like you are having a reaction not due to allergy, but simply from the almost unique beneficial effect MSM has in greatly increasing cell membrane porosity throughout the entire body!
As such, any toxins will be mobilized in greater amounts, and that includes any Rx drugs or their metabolites.
MSM thus has the effect of amplifying the drug dose! So you have to increase the dose of MSM slowly over several weeks, and/or do not be on any Rx drugs when you do, if possible.
Drink lots of water to aid in flushing them out.
For the anemia, you are on the right track in that it can be caused by a lack of essential minerals, which can be had from things like a complete cane sugar, as near to unprocessed as possible:
www.wisegeek.com/what-is-demerara-sugar.htm
To make demerara sugar, sugar producers press sugar cane and steam the juice of the first pressing to form thick cane syrup. The cane syrup is allowed to dehydrate, leaving behind large golden brown crystals of sugar. Because demerara sugar is not heavily refined, it has a rich, creamy, molasses-like flavor which enhances baked goods. The large grains also remain crunchy through cooking, which makes demerara sugar a great choice of sprinkled topping on scones and similar dishes which might otherwise have a uniform texture.
As such, you might want to move up from the "brown sugar", since it is merely white table sugar (sucrose) sprayed with molasses to turn it just dark enough!"
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11/26/2010: Kathy from Covington, Virginia writes: "I HAVE READ ALL THE FEEDBACK ON MSM. NOW I AM CONFUSED. I AM HAVING PAIN IN MY KNEES AND LEGS. HAVE FOR SOMETIME. I MIX 2 CAPSULES OF MSM IN LOTION AND APPLY AS MUCH AS NEEDED. THIS SEEMS TO HELP, BUT NOT FOR LONG. I WOULD LIKE TO START TAKING MSM BY MOUTH, BUT NOW IF IT CAUSES ANXIETY I CAN'T DO THAT. I ALREADY HAVE CHRONIC ANXIETY AND AM TAKING ZOLOFT, HAVE BEEN FOR TEN YEARS. THE MSM I USE IS PURE. WHAT CAN I DO?"
Replies11/26/2010: Tom from Regina, Sk replies: "Kathy:
Again, any 'anxiety' reaction to the MSM is not seen in the majority, and even when it is it is likely simply the reaction to the body having too many waste products moving around at the same time due to MSM's nearly unique property of opening up cell membrane porosity for better efficiency moving things in and out across that membrane. This is for ALL organs and tissues, so in fact one minor problem but one to note well is that in addition to this temporary condition, there may well be a reaction ALSO caused by taking RX meds at the same time as being on a MSM regimen, because the increased porosity will cause the RX drug dose to be in effect multiplied, maybe 25%, 50%, or even double or triple! And what is one symptom of too high a dose of anti-depressant/anxiety medication? Why, it's ANXIETY! (Just do a Search. )
Also, remember it takes days at least even once stopped taking any RX drug for it to be really well cleared out by the liver and kidneys. So even if one goes off the drug in order to take MSM, it is best to wait several days at least before starting MSM. (one can lessen this down to non-existent by simply slowly increasing the daily MSM dosage, a week at a time, starting at the lowest dose for body weight and then after a month or two getting up to the highest). BTW, the antidepressant RX drugs have what must be the highest placebo effect of any drug class, at least for 'depression'(placebo effect for this drug class on other prescribed conditions like OCD, anxiety, etc. not given):
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/01/28/the-depressing-news-about-antidepressants.html
It seems I am not alone in having moral qualms about blowing the whistle on antidepressants. That first analysis, in 1998, examined 38 manufacturer-sponsored studies involving just over 3,000 depressed patients. The authors, psychology researchers Irving Kirsch and Guy Sapirstein of the University of Connecticut, saw as everyone else had that patients did improve, often substantially, on SSRIs, tricyclics, and even MAO inhibitors, a class of antidepressants that dates from the 1950s. This improvement, demonstrated in scores of clinical trials, is the basis for the ubiquitous claim that antidepressants work. But when Kirsch compared the improvement in patients taking the drugs with the improvement in those taking dummy pills clinical trials typically compare an experimental drug with a placebo he saw that the difference was minuscule. Patients on a placebo improved about 75 percent as much as those on drugs. Put another way, three quarters of the benefit from antidepressants seems to be a placebo effect. Remember this is NEWSWEEK talking, THE Establishment mass news outlet, so for them to put it out there means it's already long obvious to most.
Did you read over the ANXIETY section?:
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/anxiety.html
If anything, there's too many things there you can try! So pick one that's cheap, easily available, and has some YAYS behind it."
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[WARNING!] 02/02/2010: Allmymarbles from New York, New York writes: "MSM: Serious Side Effect
I started taking MSM for asthma. My husband takes it for arthritis and gets total relief. Unfortunately I reacted badly. I had developed high cortisol subsequent to using inhaled steroids (which I discontinued). The MSM drove the cortisol higher and I suffered an extremely high pulse rate, palpitations and insomnia. When I started using MSM I did not know of this side effect. So be warned. If you have high cortisol do not take this supplement. It can be very dangerous."
Replies03/06/2010: Steve from Spring Branch , Tx replies: "The warning you posted wasn't because of the MSM you were taking, The warning was for the steroids that you were ingesting. These drugs have been proven to be very dangerous. MSM is not a drug, it's a element."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 10/07/2010: Peggy64 from Montgomery, Al replies: "I don't take steroids and when I started the MSM, after a week or so, it caused me problems with elevated cortisol levels. So then, How would you explain that?"
11/26/2010: Tom from Regina, Sk replies: "MSM is a natural substance (as is cortisol), found even in the oceans. It could be that your symptoms were simply caused by one of the healing aspects of MSM which very few other nutrients can replicate:
It increases, dose dependent and therefore also depends on body weight, the cellular membrane porosity , thus rate and amount of nutrient, metabolic waste and signaling molecules across the cell's membrane. This holds for all or nearly all tissue and organ cells. So perhaps you actually suffered a slight reaction to a too-fast re-balancing from too many toxins on the move at the same time? This is why with MSM one should start with a small dose for the first week, then increase over many more weeks in increments to the maximum suggested dose based on body weight."
08/10/2011: "I have adrenal exhaustion, my cortisol is too low, if MSM has caused a couple of you to experience high cortisol, I wonder if this would be helpful for those of us with low cortisol?"
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09/21/2009: Kim from Birmingham, England writes: "I have been taking MSM for a while now and I have to say my asthma/COPD is much improved. However, MSM does contain sulphates which some individuals may be sensitive to and may cause some side effects. I have read from a very good source that this can be largely overcome by taking a supplementation of molybedenum(500mcg). Hope this helps."
Replies09/21/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn. replies: "MSM (methylsulfonylmethane)
MSM has been wonderful for my traumatic arthritic joints that let us know when the weather is changing. I take about an ounce of the crystals a day with no problems. I am also one of those people who cannot take most sulfa drugs without unwanted side effects (ranging from severe nausea to sore throat and feeling worse after 3 days of the sulfa drug than I was from the infection I was taking it to get rid of).
When I pulled up sulfonyl the information given is that the sulfonyl group is an organic radical or functional group obtained from sulfonic acid by the removal of the hydroxyl
group.
Sulphate is defined as a salt of sulfuric acid.
****While we are on the subject of sulfa drugs & sulfates, for those of you who are on sulfonylurea oral hypoglycemics for Diabetes Mellitus type 2, be sure to let any doctor know you are on them when they go to prescribe antibiotics. The sulfonylureas are related to sulfa drugs and if anyone prescribes sulfa drugs for you, it might trigger a hypoglycemic reaction (your blood sugar can bottom out). "
10/25/2009: Briana from Dublin, Ireland replies: "hi joyce, iv just been reading your feedback on msm and some of the side effecks feedbacks also and as im going to try msm for emphysema. i was wondering would it be safe with all the medication im on? it says on the bottle to take 1/2 teaspoonful daily at meal time. does that mean with your meal or before meal or after meal? but it also says to take acording to your weight. im only 28 kilos. now i dont know what to do. can you please give me some advice? thank you i will let earth clinic know of any results i might have taking msm whether good or bad. once again thank you."
10/25/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn replies: "Hello Briana from Dublin,
I don't know anyone personally taking MSM for emphysema but have read that it helps with that also. Since MSM is a natural substance found in all plants and animals, it probably won't interact much with medications, but in order to make sure of that you might want to type in MSM interactions with other medications into a search window & go looking for the answers. You can also type in the name of each drug you are taking to check for unwanted interactions with MSM.
Wow, you sure are a fly weight! Considering that the average adult dosage is figured on the average weight being a l50 lb (75 kg) you can readily see that your weight is less than 1/2 so you need less than 1/2 of the recommended dosage (for those who wonder 2.2 kgs. = l pound). You can take it at mealtime, but I never had any problem with taking it when not eating. Telling you to take medications or supplements with meals is a good way of relating it to something to remind you to take it as well having something in your stomach to decrease the likelihood of a gastrointestinal upset from it. Fortunately many drug interactions that occur decreases the drug's effectiveness because it binds with calcium or some other nutrient in our foods. This is why some prescriptions specify to take it at least 1 hour before meals or 2 hours after eating. Another reason for telling you to take at mealtime is a lot of supplement, vitamins, etc. are better absorbed when accompanied by the other nutrients in the food eaten.
Since you are taking a lot of other medications, you should probably not take more than 1/2 the adult dosage with meals to begin. If no problems develop, you can probably increase that doasge if you would like to.
You probably will not have any problems if you elect to take the usual adult dosage, since the doctor who was treating his patients with it when I read the article in Journal of Longevity, was said to be taking the race horse dose (which is about 1 ounce of the crystals for a l500 pound animal) daily to see if any bad side effects would come from taking a larger and prolonged dosage, and was still taking it without problems after several years of the increased dosage."
10/29/2009: Brianna from Dublin, Ireland replies: "hi joyce from joelton. thank you for your quick response. i am experimenting with a few things. iv tried hydrogen proxide teds remedy. i only got to 6 drops and i read on ec that you cant do hydrogen proxide if you have silver fillings in your teeth and i have 2 so i had to stop. ted also says dmso and msm are good for emphysema. i cant get dmso here in ireland so i just taught id try msm and see what happens. i started on monday with a very small amount just the tip of a teaspoon in a large glass of water and increased it a little each day. hopefully it will do some good in the mean time im still looking for other cures. i really need to gain some weight i have a good appetite but because of the emphysema i just keep loosing weight. so if you have any remedies for this i would love to hear them. thank you joyce and earth clinic"
10/29/2009: Merryanne from Orange City, Florida, USA replies: "To Brianna,, I think you are not taking enough of the MSM, I don't understand the amout you are taking,,,but I take about t grams daily or in a 24 hour period and sometimes more,,I have my on issues, but try that for a day and see how you feel after that, merryanee in USA,,Florida"
EC: Hi Merryanne, "t grams daily"... a typo, we think. Can you please resend the amount? Thanks!
10/30/2009: Merryanne from Orange City, Florida, USA replies: "Sorry about the typo,,,that is about 4ooomg in 24 hour period,,,you can start off with what you feel good about,,,but if you know you are really sick and need and improvement, take the 1000mg which is 1Grm 4 times in a 24 hour period,,you can always reduce your intake if you believe it is making you sick,,,but also when the bacteria or virus or parasite is dying off, it will also make you feel crapy, Merryanne"
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[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS] 03/13/2009: Wayne from Ladner, BC Canada writes: "MSM is incredible... it cleared up my asthma...fixed my shoulder...helps my wifes allergies..she doesn't have to take antihystamines..... BUT ...... i started developing a red rash on my face...... red blotchy and itchy as the dickens...i stopped taking it for a week and then...the rash went away...i needed a fix on sunday as i had a heavy day so i took some more and this is thursday and i still have the rash worse then before it went away.......
i was taking two or three teaspoons a day...
I have not given up hope on it..i want to stop for maybe a month and then start gradually on it again....it does cause insomnia if you take it in the evening..it gives you great energy..i believe because you are getting a full lung full of oxygen because it clears out the bronchial passages........but that is only my theory as i suffer from asthma and this stuff really helps you breathe clearer...if feels like you are getting your money's worth for each breath you take...
i am interested in that term..i forget what they called it..but the idea of the msm flushing out the toxins..........i have been doing some reading on that and was contemplating doing the Hydrogen peroxide cleanse... and retry the msm..
i am a believer in the benefits of msm...but just to get rid of the side effects that people have.........
great page......keep the faith"
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 03/12/2009: Lana from Carthage, MO writes: "I have learned something interesting with MSM. I took the NOW brand for 30 days to help with Lupus. It was working great w/no side effects other than insomnia, which stopped when I cut the dosage down from 4000 mg daily to 20000 mg daily. (take it first thing in the morning) After finishing that bottle, a friend offered me a bottle that she was not going to take. It was a different brand than I had taken previously. Within 2 days, I had hives & swelling up my arms & a severe headache. I talked to the owwner of a Health Food Store in town & she said some MSM products are not as pure as others. This particular brand had 345 mg of sulfur in it. The reaction I had was to the sulfur, not the MSM. I stopped it & the rash & headache went away. I am back to taking the NOW brand with no problems. Make sure you buy your MSM at a reputable dealer, not just anywhere. Talk to the salesperson & be sure it is pure MSM."
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 02/14/2009: Viola from Perth, Australia writes: "I've been on MSM for 33 days now. I started off on low doses and now I'm taking a half a teaspoon two times a day. I guess that is 4 grams. I'm drinking 2 litres a day and that is about all I can take. I'm not a big person. I'm getting mild headaches, flushed flu like sweating, mild and painful bloating, not severe. I understand about toxic reactions as far as herxhimer reaction goes. I have rheumatoid arthritis, and a yet undiagnosed numbness in three fingers in my right hand. In the past, I have suffered from migraine and insomnia, and stomaach problems, so I know the level of pain in these symptoms. My thoughts are, how toxic is your body when you have a chronic disease? I assume having RA I have levels of toxicity all the time. I am not experiencing any RA symptoms at the moment because it usually occurs in rainy weather. It is summer here, and I wanted to begin the MSM now in preparation for the colder weather when I experience the worst pain. I really need to find an anti-inflammatory as I don't have one. Either they are ineffective or have been taken off the market (Vioxx and Prexige). I am on methotrexate 7.5mg and do not want to take any more 'drugs'. Considering the toxic effects of RA, can anyone tell me how long I have to put up with the MSM side effects. It's been over 4 weeks now? Also is glucosamine and or chondriatin effective for RA?"
Replies02/18/2009: Amy from Philadelphia, PA replies: "Hi Viola,
I just wanted to reply to your comment on finding an anti-inflammatory. A year ago my doctor wanted to put me on celebrex for painful inflammation due to endometriosis. I was a little hesitant, because of the side effects. Around the same I had been considering drinking more green tea, because I heard it was better for you than coffee. I read somewhere that it was also good for fighting inflammation. I wasn't expecting much, but thought it was worth a try. So i started drinking 2-3 cups of green tea a day. It's been amazing> i was dealing with painful inflammation everyday, and now, as long as I drink the tea, its gone. i never had to go on the celebrex. If i miss a day or two, i can feel the pain start up again, but then i drink a few cups and it subsides. Its been a life saver. I just wanted to share that with you if your open to alternatives. i don't even consider it an alternative, it was really the best option. good luck"
09/13/2010: Tanya from Gold Coast, Australia replies: "Hi Viola,Not sure if this will help, but the MSM might be helping you detox, but you do have to be careful of the quality of MSM, also I have had numbness in two of my fingers and it ran up my hand and into my arm at night, it turned out to be a bone out in my elbow that was blocking the flow, we see a very good Chiropractor who adjusted my elbow and there was no more numbness, if it comes back I just have my elbow adjusted."
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[QUESTION] 02/12/2009: Grant Hardy from Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand writes: "This is a request to all MSM users. What type of MSM are you taking? Eg There is the OptiMSM manufactured in the US and then there is MSM manufactured in China. The processing techniques are different. If we can determine the source of the MSM then maybe a picture could develop. As a manufacturer I know the outcomes can be very different depending on the process.
Grant Hardy"
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 01/03/2009: Elsa from New York, NY writes: "Re MSM, BACK PAIN, AND MIGRAINE HEADACHES:
MSM and glucosamine in combination were extremely helpful to my lower back and hip pain (arthritis), but it triggered daily migraines, so I had to stop taking it. I can take glucosamine alone without getting the headaches.
But about arthritic pain: I have found that applying arnica gel, which I get at the health food store or from iherb, stops the pain. (It also helps prevent/reduce bruising.) I wake up with a bad backache, apply a tsp or so onto my back and hip (rubbing it in well), and can get back to sleep.
I wish I could take MSM. My husband takes it every day and has no aches or pains."
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 11/18/2008: TammyQ from Chicago, IL writes: "msm caused severe mood swings in me, then severe depression, so if you have mood disorders, i don't recommend to take it."
Replies[SIDE EFFECTS] 08/28/2010: George from Melbourne, Australia replies: "Much the same with me. Insomnia and severe depression after taking msm for 3 weeks."
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 11/07/2008: Cindy from Silver Spring, MD writes: "MSM & Migraine Headaches:
I tried MSM after reading in several places it helps w/joint deterioration & pain, & also seeing that it is a component of several glucosamine & chondroitin supplements.
Years earlier, my orthopedic surgeon (a Johns Hopkins University professor) recommended Cosamin DS (a brand of glucosamine & chondroitin w/no added MSM), which he also takes, because it's purity & dosage accuracy were verified in (independent, double blind, placebo controlled) research trials. I took the it for years w/no side effects, & w/much pain relief & improved function. I saw other brands of glucosamine & chondroitin w/MSM, which Cosamin DS does not contain.
My doctor was not opposed to my trying MSM, but he was adamant I stick w/Cosamin DS, although it costs more than most other brands. My pets' vets also insisted I use the same company's pet formulation (Cosequin) & not switch their brand. I decided to stick with it, but add in MSM separately, which my doctors did not oppose.
Within a couple of days after starting MSM, I developed a migraine. Initially mild, it worsened over the next 10 days, becoming severe. I'm prone to both muscle spasm & migraine type headaches, & can distinguish clearly between them. I didn't initially attribute the migraine to MSM, since so many other things can trigger migraines, including stress, irregular sleep, hormonal cycles (especially during peak estrogen levels), as well as certain foods/beverages, medications, smoke, fragrances, & chemical odors/fumes.
I'd learned I must stay on a preventative medication (in my case Verapamil), which enables me to avoid most migraines. With it, I can get away w/some things which otherwise trigger my migraines, including certain favorite foods (in small amounts) & unavoidable whiffs of problem scents & tobacco smoke. (See list of common migraine triggers at end, if interested).
I stayed on the MSM, regulated my sleep cycles (no late nights or sleeping in), avoided stressors, & avoided known migraine triggers--including the foods I sometimes 'cheated' on & places where I could be exposed to problem scents or smoke (malls, rest rooms, smokers, crowds, etc.). Friends & family helped by not exposing me to perfumes or scented products & staying across the room if they had tobacco smoke on their clothes.
These measures had always worked in the past, but this migraine did not lessen. An increase to the maximum dose of Verapamil did not help. I temporarily went on a diet of unprocessed foods w/simple ingredient lists, began stress reduction techniques, & avoided new medications & household or personal products, to no avail. After a 5 week period in which I should have been through a full female hormonal cycle (& into the next one) w/no reduction or fluctuation in severity of the migraine, I was concerned. By week 6 I was spending a lot of time in a dark, quiet room, & getting a little desperate. Lights were like daggers & sounds were like bomb blasts. I considered a trip to downtown Washington, DC, to see a trusted migraine specialist, but couldn't imagine making the trip.
As I looked back for what was new in my regimen since onset of the migraine, I considered the MSM. It seemed so innocuous, but it was the only truly new variable I could identify. No literature available to me at the time I first considered taking it had mentioned anything about MSM & headaches. There was little mention of side effects at all, other than sulfa allergy, at the time. I asked two pharmacists, but neither had heard of MSM triggering headaches, nor had my doctors.
It made sense to all of us that I stop the MSM immediately, but if the migraine ceased, we knew it could be coincidence. The migraine DID cease within about a week of stopping the MSM, & I went back down to my original dose of Verapamil a week later. My primary doctor suggested I just stay off MSM.
However, MSM was enough help for my joint pain that I wanted to be as sure as possible that it was not coincidence that the migraine ceased after stopping MSM. I waited a month, during which I stayed on my migraine reduction/avoidance routine & had NO migraines. Then, while continuing this routine, being careful to add in no new foods, products, medications, or other supplements, I restarted the MSM.
Unfortunately, the migraine returned again, about a week after restarting the MSM while eliminating all other variables that I could control. Of course, there were variables I could not control outside a research setting, including my own knowledge of whether I resumed taking the MSM & when. However, there have been so many times I thought things would cause me a migraine but they did not do so (or conversely I thought they would not cause a migraine but they did), that I strongly suspected the MSM was the cause of my protracted status migrainosis.
About 4 years later, I was diagnosed w/a more severe joint disease, which eventually causes destruction of the entire affected joint. With 8 major weight-bearing joints involved & few treatment options, I decided to try MSM one more time. I had been nearly migraine-free for the better part of a year. With my doctors' agreement, I went doubled my Verapamil (to the maximum dose), went back on my strict migraine avoidance/reduction routine, waited 10 days so my body had the full benefit of these measures, & restarted MSM.
This was my third trial of MSM. I took what I was told was likely the minimum effective dose. On this trial, I intentionally chose a different brand of MSM, in hope that any additive or contaminant in the first brand which might potentially have caused the first 2 migraines would not be present in this new brand.
This time, I developed a migraine 3 days after starting MSM. (Usually, things that trigger migraines in me most strongly do so overnight if ingested orally, but fragrances/fumes/smoke do so w/in minutes, via the nasal route. Things less "migrainogenic" for me take 2 to several days at 1 serving/day, but act more quickly w/several servings daily. While I wish there was an environmentally controlled, double blind, placebo-controlled study of MSM side effects, so most other variables could be eliminated, after 3 trials I consider it very likely that MSM caused my migraines, despite use of a migraine-reducing medication, & consider it likely it would do so in others who are prone to migraine headaches.
Migraine triggers:
This is somewhat individual, & doctors don't all agree on items, such as tomatoes.
-Foods: For me, migraine triggers include all foods & beverages high in tyramine (an amino acid), so I eat a low tyramine diet, eliminating or reducing foods such as tomatoes (fresh are less of a problem than tomato sauce, catsup, or paste), some fruits including bananas & all citrus fruits, a few veges & beans including avocados & fava beans, processed or organ meats including liver, hot dogs, balogna, & salami, cultured dairy products such as yogurt, buttermilk (regular milk is OK), & aged cheeses (fresh cheeses such as cottage & farmer cheeses are about all that are OK), fermented products including all alcoholic beverages (red wines are notorious), soy sauce, chocolate, monosodiumglutamate, abbreviated "MSG", (which legally can be hidden on food package ingredient lists in the U.S. under the term "natural flavoring"), etc.
-Caffeine* (including in coffee, tea, & some medications including some headache medicines)--ironically, caffeine can both help treat migraines & can trigger migraines, so avoid it unless you have a migraine already, but if you get one & have no other remedy available, it is worth a try to have a cup or two of tea.
-Estrogens in food or medicine: Foods high in natural estrogen-like compounds such as sweet potatoes & soy beans, plus medications w/estrogen (even w/low-dose estrogen, such as some birth control pills & hormone replacement therapy), & including the estrogen-like compounds now known to leach out of plastic food & beverage containers such as milk or water jugs
-NSAIDs, or nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs: such as Motrin (Ibuprofen), Alleve/Naprosyn (Naproxen sodium), Feldene, Clinoril, Indocin, etc. which are said to cause a rebound effect, intially helping, but making migraine worse w/continued use (but Tylenol, which is not an NSAID, seems to be OK)
-Other medications: Variable. (According to at least one specialist, narcotic pain medications make migraines worse, though in my experience this is NOT the case if the person is on a stable, long-term dose. Rapid increases, reductions, or fluctuations in dose DO trigger migraines, in my experience.
-Smoke: Tobacco smoke(including second-hand), & other smoke including wood smoke, & incense
-Perfumes, Colognes, & Scented Products: highly individual but includes air freshener products in all forms, scented soap or laundry detergent, fabric softener, scented oils (including for aromatherapy), scented candles, scented personal products, such as shampoo, conditioner, hair spray, scented lotions, etc., & scented household cleaning products, including scented air or surface disinfectant sprays
Chemical odors: including unscented household cleaning products w/fumes, freshly printed newspapers, nail polish remover (acetone), "liquid bandages", many disinfectant sprays, moth balls, dry cleaning chemicals, gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, propane, natural gas, "bug sprays" (insecticides), "weed killers" (herbicides), fungicides, formaldehyde (including in plywood, & as preservative for animals used for dissection in biology labs such as in high schools & colleges), paint fumes, glues (white glue is usually OK), various solvents
Hint: If you smell a problem scent unexpectedly when out in public, try breathing through your mouth until out of range. If it is just a matter of a few steps to get out of range of the scent, hold your breath & walk rapidly upwind (if outside) & away. Apparently it is the short, direct route from the nasal nerves to the brain (&/or blood supply to the blood-brain barrier) which allows such rapid migraines induction from scents. When one inhales the same substance through the mouth to the lungs, avoiding nasal exposure, these substances do not seem to trigger rapid-onset migraines. They can still trigger breathing problems in those w/asthma."
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 08/10/2008: Denise from Brooklyn, New York writes: "I just started taking 1000mg of msm with 1000 mg of vitamin c and GSE to treat my melasma but today my third day I am feeling kind of strange, anxious, restless and nauseos I dont know much about this supplement and am a little concerned. As much as i want to get rid of the melasma my health is first does anyone know if this passes I already suffer from insomnia and this is making it worse. Would the vitamin c and GSE work on its own?"
Replies[SIDE EFFECTS] 08/15/2008: Kim from Macomb, MI replies: "It was good to read it's not just happening to me. I've been taking a liquid form of MSM, glucosamine, & chondroitin for one week STOPPING today. I have been experiencing rapid heart rate and chest tightness/pain. One night I didn't sleep at all. I've taken the gluc/chon before with no issues, so I'm sure it's the MSM. No more. Also of note, I'm allergic to sulfa as many women are, and I just learned that a person allergic to sulfa shouldn't take MSM. It was good to read your feedback. I hope mine helps someone too."
08/17/2008: Maxine from Havana, Arkansas, USA replies: "For all you people who have had a bad reaction to msm. You must start out taking very small amounts and work up to a larger dose. You will have herxhimer syndrome (body getting rid of bad stuff) if you dont. I get mine from vet supply, 5 lbs at a time, msm for horses, it has no fillers 99.9 % pure. Start out with 1/8 tsp, put on back of tongue, because of taste. I have been taking it many years, but had some bad symptoms at first."
EC: Thanks, Maxine. Very good to know...
08/27/2008: Alyssa from Sautee Nacoochee, GA replies: "I agree with Maxine about introducing MSM in small doses. I am on day 9, and for the last 4 days or so I've had a headache.
I felt like I do when I fast - that what I was actually experiencing was a de-tox effect.
After doing more research on MSM, I found that it is also recommended for Candida, which I have suspected for quite some time that I have.
Now, I'm REALLY excited to continue with the MSM in the hopes of not only helping my joint pain, but killing off the candida.
No wonder I've had headaches and I am in NO WAY discouraged from taking MSM. Sounds as if a lot of the warnings are from Herxheimer reaction.
Some info I found on the internet:
"The Herxheimer Reaction - Feeling worse before feeling better
The Herxheimer Reaction is a short-term (from days to a few weeks) detoxification reaction in the body. As the body detoxifies, it is not uncommon to experience flu-like symptoms including headache, joint and muscle pain, body aches, sore throat, general malaise, sweating, chills, nausea or other symptoms.
This is a normal - and even healthy - reaction that indicates that parasites, fungus, viruses, bacteria or other pathogens are being effectively killed off. The biggest problem with the Herxheimer reaction is that people stop taking the supplement or medication that is causing the reaction, and thus discontinue the very treatment that is helping to make them better. Although the experience may not make you feel particularly good, the Herxheimer Reaction is actually a sign that healing is taking place.
What Is The Herxheimer Reaction?
The Herxheimer Reaction is an immune system reaction to the toxins (endotoxins) that are released when large amounts of pathogens are being killed off, and the body does not eliminate the toxins quickly enough. Simply stated, it is a reaction that occurs when the body is detoxifying and the released toxins either exacerbate the symptoms being treated or create their own symptoms. The important thing to note is that worsening symptoms do not indicate failure of the treatment in question; in fact, usually just the opposite.
Symptoms:
The most common ones include:
increased joint or muscle pain
headaches
chills
Heavy perspiration and night sweats
Nausea
Burning micturition
Bone pain
swollen glands
bloating
constipation or diarrhea
fever (usually low grade)
hypotension (low blood pressure)
Itching, hives and rash (sometimes mistaken for an allergic reaction - this must be an MD's call)
heart palpitations, elevated heart rate, orthostatic "
Of course, I'd say that common sense is in order too.
I'll post later to share the results regarding the candida. Already I'm feel I have more energy, and my muscle aches are subsiding."
04/28/2010: Snowbunny from Avon, Co replies: "MSM is a great product and as mentioned ...you must start out slow. It's a detoxer and a builder - so yes you will experiance effects from taking it. You can experiance rashes, headaches, joint pains, etc ...that's your body trying to detox. But if you are patient ...and I don't mean 1,2, 3 months. Think about ALL the years one has been putting crap into our bodies ...food, chemials, drinks, birth control, medication and the list goes on ...you'll need at least a year to start seeing results. The cells and tissues will start building and healing but again you need TIME."
09/04/2011: Ds from Us, Usa replies: "Also, not only with MSM, but with all of our wonderful alternative therapies and supplements, I'm wondering if often the problem is that we're not incorporating those oh-so-important "skip days. "
That is, it's probably not a good idea in general to take most any supplement every single day. The body doesn't seem to appreciate it--it likes a rest, it likes change. And it makes sense that taking these things every single day is more likely to throw something out of balance. Changing our routine gives the body a chance to rest and re-balance, lets nature do her thing without us interfering.
I remember reading Edgar Cayce, well-known health-reading psychic from the past, said that it's best to get our nutrition from food, but if we take supplements to maybe take them a week on, and a week off... Or take them for a few days, then stop for a few days. As someone who has been taking supplements for lots of years (and lotsa mistakes along the way), I'm finding that this does make my body happier. Including the apple cider vinegar elixir, oil pulling and the rest. Just give the body a "vacation" from it every few days or so."
12/25/2011: Diane from Los Angeles, Ca replies: "If you are having side effects/herx/die off from MSM, start very slowly & work your way up, but also try taking with Molybdenum (the liquid form). I have read that MSM can deplete Molybdenum (there is controversy over this, but it might be a good idea to take them both together anyway). Also, Molybdenum helps to break down a toxic by-product of yeast called Aldehyde. I could not tolerate MSM because detox symptoms were too much to handle until I took it with Molybdenum, and now I feel like I different person. Try taking Molybdenum 300 micrograms 3 times a day (with food).Caution: You can detox from Molybdenum, too (I felt angry at first and very revved up - after a week this feeling went away completely). Then I addded MSM and for the first time I can tolerate it and I feel great on it. Google "MSM Molybdenum" and read "The Candida/Aldehyde Detox Pathway And The Molybdenum Connection" for more information."
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[WARNING!] 07/21/2008: Lisa from SF, CA writes: "MSM sort of a warning... I started taking MSM a few weeks ago, in the hopes of getting rid of, or at least fading, the melasma I have. I started with 2000mg capsules in the a.m. Then increased to 3000mg, and last week to 4000 mg., a combo of tablets and powder (just because I had both, so mixed 'em up). I have not noticed a difference in the melasma, (I am applying topically, too) but have experienced sleeplessness. I already have a problem with insomnia, so this is not good. I noticed the sleeplessness got really bad after increasing to 4000mg., so I've cut down to 3000mg. I really noticed the increase in energy when I started taking the MSM, despite a lack of sleep. About 2 months ago, I began taking SAM-E for mood, and it seems to have helped, but that is also a sulphur compound, so perhaps that with the MSM is too much?"
Replies[WARNING!] 10/09/2008: Lisa from SF, CA replies: "I wrote about my MSM experience on 7/21/08. I had to cut down to 2000mg/day, after days of very bad insomnia. I was taking 2x my normal dose of Ambien to sleep, and still was not sleeping well. While taking 4000 mg of MSM, I noticed my hands were incredibly dry, and the veins (in my hands) were much more pronounced than usual. I already drink 1 gal. + of water per day, but while taking the 4000 mg of MSM, I found myself dehydrated even when drinking up to 2 gallons of water a day. The dehydration than led to a bladder infection!So, taking 2000 mg of MSM for a few months now. Recently began using MSM in a topical vitamin C serum I make, and found insomnia has worsened again! Didn't even occur to me that it could be the topical MSM, but the onset of worsened isomnia corresponds with the addition of MSM to the serum! It's what led me back to this board. Also increased dehydration. Has anybody found topical MSM to have side effects?
BTW: Have not noticed any improvement of melasma (my reason for taking the MSM), nor have I noticed any other benefits. My hair and nails are no stronger or healthier, and I've had no decrease in joint pain. Not sure if I should even continue with the MSM!"
01/16/2009: Patricia from Medina, Oh replies: "To the person who was taking MSM to help with joint pain and was also taking Ambien:
WARNING on the AMBIEN!
I got addicted to Ambien and after doing a lot of research I discovered that IT was responsible for my aching joints and muscles!! It can cause fibromyalgia and flu-like symptoms.
Within 2 weeks of dropping Ambien my aches and pains went away."
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[WARNING!] 06/26/2008: Lisa from Rockwell, NC writes: "MSM WARNING: I began having heart palpitations and chest tightness & discomfort after taking MSM for 3 weeks. It did help with hip pain but I had to discontinue it because of side effects. This forum is excellent! I'm glad to know it wasn't just my imagination & that other people have had these side effects."
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[WARNING!] 11/27/2007: Paula R.Wagner from Tulsa, OK writes: "re: MSM suppliment, 1000 mg -- I had some bad symptoms similar to Joanna's taking only 1 capsule a day for several days. I'm not allergic to any substances to my knowledge but awoke with difficulty breathing, very sharp pains in my sides, an ache in my back,and my eyes dried out. I'm not real fond of this MSM supplement. Also, my mood was downcast.Watch yourself with this one.."
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[WARNING!] 11/27/2007: Sherry from Jacksonville, North Carolina writes: "re: Side Effects of MSM -- I am so greatful to God for this forum. I can totally relate to DL from CA, that posting is almost a total duplicate of what I just recently experienced. I had been having constant pain in my legs and feet for over a year and had, had my fill. I did some research and came across the MSM. I was also diagnosed with asteopenia about the same time, so I decided to try it. Two night ago I had my son take me to the ER, I was having a lot of what's been discribed here concerning the heart beating weird, anxiety(I quess) because I don't know how else to expain how I was feeling, shaollow breathing, heaviness of chest etc. All this had been going on for sometime and I normally could meditate on scriptures and it would go away, this night was different. My jaunt to the ER, showed irregular heatbeat, palputaions to be exact. However, all of my blood work came back normal, showing no previous heart attacks or heart desease. I have been refered for a stress test. I am going to discontinue my use of MSM and see what happens. I will keep you posted as to what happens after I am no longer taking this product. Oh yeah, one of the other effects is headaches. I also started getting headaches that wouldn't go away. I sorta fluffed that off figuring it was a sinus thing, however these aren't sinus area specific. So, I'm thinking this is all related. Time will tell. I am very happy for those folks that this works for. Of course, every bodies matabolism is differnt, so what works for others may not work for someone else. I am very happy for those folks that this works for. Of course, every bodies matabolism is differnt, so what works for others may not work for someone else. Anyone else that may have related info. that would be helpful to my situation please feel free to e-mail me. God Bless"
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