Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- POPULAR REMEDIES
- Advice for Airedales and Lyme Disease Vaccines
- Advice for Side Effects: Benadryl and Cortizone Spray
- Advice for Side Effects: Charcoal
- Advice for Side Effects: Children's Diphenhydramine
- Advice for Side Effects: Lemon, Colloidal Silver
- Advice for Side Effects: Medications
- Advice for Side Effects: Multiple Remedies
- Advice for Side Effects: Nosodes
- Advice for Side Effects: Thuja
- Advice for Vaccination Side Effects
- Avoiding Vaccines
- Booster Shots
- Combination Shot
- Distemper (Cats)
- Distemper (Dogs)
- Lyme Disease Vaccinations
- Neutering Unvaccinated Pets
- Neutralize Rabies Vaccine
- New Principles of Immunology
- Rabies and Distemper
- The Rabies Challenge Fund
- Vaccination Reader Feedback
12/03/2012: Marilyn from Oswego, Il: "I have a 2 lb., 3 mo. old yorkie. She is very small. I was thinking about not getting her any shots but she has had her first set of puppy shots. I also wanted to refuse her to get a rabies shot. Am I..."
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Advice for Side Effects: Thuja
[YEA] 07/26/2008: Sherry from Marquette, MI : "The Nature of Animal Healing by Martin Goldstein DVM is an excellent source regarding the dangers of vaccines. I too had a cat experience an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) with the Feline Leukemia vaccine. She lived since prompt medical care was possible. However, last week, I tried to save a 3 month old kitten (feral) with a temperature of 106, diarrhea and vomiting. Homeopathics were attempted as well as antibiotics and Sub-Q fluids. We lost her. Two vets believed it was from feline distemper. Goldstein in his work does recommend one feline distemper injection for kittens for lifetime immunity. However, vaccines are over done, and there is evidence that the leukemia one does not have a good success rate (check the internet). It is a difficult decision whether to vaccinate or not, but less I feel is better. Rabbies should not be given as a combo is what I have read in different sources. The rabbies vaccine should also be given at a different time then the other vaccinations.
Thuja homeopathic is supposed to help the ill effects of vaccines. It is non toxic. It can be taken with antibiotics and other medications. It won't interfer with western medicine. To administer, dilute a pellet or tablet of 30c in water and apply a dropperful to the mucous membranes of the mouth, drop by drop. For the medication to be effective, it needs to be administered in this format. The pill or tablet can not be given by having the animal swallow it whole. Doing so, would yield no results. It needs to be diluted in water only and administered two times a day for two-three days. There is no taste to the mixture, so animals accept it well. I have had experience with cats in a shelter using homeopathics and have seen respiratory infections resolve quickly. I have used it on my own cats for asthma and infections with excellent results. But finding the correct homeopathic to turn around a major disease such as feline distemper can be very difficult, if not almost impossible. I say "almost" hesitantly because I still do believe there was a homeopathic that could have turned the kitten around, but I didn't have it in my cabinet. This is where vaccines can assist in prevention. Therefore, a feline distemper vaccine administered to a kitten may be warranted for, according to Goldstein, it seems to offer lifetime immunity. Once again, I do believe that vaccines are administered in too high combo's which can be dangerous. Moderation is always the best course of action. Hope this helps.
The above information is offered for education purposes only and a vet should be consulted when a course of action is desired."Replies
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 08/07/2011: Denise from Napa, Ca replies: "I am so thankful for this wedsite and people sharing I to am using thuja it is helping my cat she seems to be getting a little better I put 3 pellets in a shot glass with bottled water when they melted I gave her some with an eye dropper I give her half full dropper every 2 hrs. I will never give my cats a rabies shot I have 5 cats she is the only one who had the shot I will not put my other cats thru this."
08/15/2011: Jr from Coloma, Mi replies: "I just want to mention that I have worked with two homeopaths. One said to mix the pellets with water and the other said that she preferred just putting the pellets in the dogs mouth. So I have done both and they both worked very well."
Advice for Vaccination Side Effects
07/25/2011: Jr from Coloma, Mi: "Because of the "Law" I am being forced to give my dog a rabies shot. I have been working with a homeopathic woman to help my Lab get better. Most of her problems are from over medication and vaccination. The homeopathic woman said that if I get my dog a rabies shot she will not work with me anymore and the dog will backslide. I just feel trapped between a rock and a hard place. Does anyone know of anything homeopathic or otherwise that I can give my dog to counteract the rabies shot?"Replies
08/26/2011: Debbie from Gainesville, Fl replies: "Yes, there is an alternative. I'm surprised your homeopathic practitioner didn't mention it. There are homeopathic preparations called nosodes that are made from the pathogens they target. There is a rabies nosode. However, our governments don't recognize it as an effective alternative to the vaccine, although it is very much so. Therefore, they won't let vets issue rabies certificates based on administration of the nosode. If you cannot get the nosode and if you need the rabies certificate, then you will have to get the regular vaccination. Be sure that your dog is strong and healthy. The rules for vaccination clearly state that only healthy animals need be vaccinated. Check on that. When he's ready, prepare him by starting him on Zeolite enhanced with DHQ (available online. ) Continue the zeolite until the bottle is empty. Your homeopath should not be so difficult about this. Yes, there will be a set back but you can minimize it with zeolite and homeopathics (Thuja, usually. )
Also, educate yourself about veterinary homeopathy by getting Dr. Pitcairns complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats, especially the section on vaccinations. Dr. Pitcairn pioneered veterinary homeopathy in the U. S. I hope you get this info in time."
[QUESTION] 09/17/2010: Mama from London, Ontario: "Earth clinic readers with pets I need your HELP!!! My 8mth old chihuahua nipped someone who approached our house, and she complained to the authorities and he didn't have a rabies shot!! We were not planning on giving him one do to the horrors I have read about what they can do to destroy a dogs health. But now because of the complaint (and she wasn't hurt either) we are forced to. I can't even imagine letting someone put those horrible toxins and the RABIES VIRUS into my little puppy who is so healthy. Even here on EC I read about the health problems that quickly arise after the rabies shot!! He's SO healthy and I'm worried!! Can anyone out there recommend something I can give him to help prevent and reverse the damage to his immune system that WILL occur (even if not noticeable from the outside)after the poisonous shot??? Is there something I can do before?? His shot will be on the 5th of sept. Thanks, Mama"Replies
09/24/2010: Msanders4 from Phoenix, Arizona replies: "When my dog was sick I asked the Vet to write a letter saying my dog couldn't get the rabies shot. There is a book with info on products you can get that will help detox your dog before and after the shot."
09/02/2010: Jet from Melbourne, Victoria Australia: "I have a English Staffordshire Bull Terrier that has had two petit mal seizures that I know of. He has had his yearly booster shots every year and he is 5 years old. Should I stop the booster shots and I also give him "Advocate" for flea tick and heartworm or should I stop this as well. He had a blood test done when he had his first seizure and the vet said everything is fine. I feed him home cooked meals (kangaroo meat with pasta and green peas) and dry food "Holistic Select Dog Food - Duck Meal & Oatmeal Formula" any advice would be appreicated. Thank You for your time."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 08/30/2010: Carrie from Manchester, Ct: "I bought a rescue puppy at 4 months of age. When I bought her, she seemed perfectly healthy. Stools were normal - she had energy and seemed very healthy. I took her to the vet for her check up and to clear her for any issues. She had a small ear infection which was cleared up easily enough with an ear cleaning and drops, and the vet recommended I give her Lyme vaccination. I was reluctant, but the vet convinced me it was necessary. So, she got her Lyme vaccine. I was due to go in a week later for her 5 in 1 vaccine which included Parvo. I saw another vet that day due to the one who originally gave her the vaccinations not being available. He gave her the 5 in 1 vaccine, and he injected her with ANOTHER Lyme vaccine. He told me it was Lyme as he was injecting her. I told him that she already had her Lyme vaccine last week and she wasn't due for her second for 2 more weeks. He looked perplexed, pulled the needle out, and didn't charge me for the vaccine. He didn't even put it on the bill that he GAVE her any Lyme vaccine. The very next day, my dog had terrible mucus filled diarrhea. HORRIBLE. She became dehydrated, despite me giving her water orally via a syringe, and so 2 days later I took her back to the vet. They gave me a prescription for the possibility of worms even though her feces showed no worms, and gave my antibiotics in case she had an infection in her intestines. Her poo got better. Markedly better. Normal! I felt much better. 4 days ago, her prescription ran its course. 3 days ago, her poo was fine. 2 days ago, it started getting softer, but still formed a normal shape. Yesterday, it was extremely soft. Pudding like. I began feeding her a bland diet, and added a little canned pumpkin in there for added fiber. Last night, her feces were extremely soft, and I knew I was in for a sleepless night. I was up almost all night with her, taking her out several times to poo. Her poo got much worse throughout the night until around 5am it was total mush. She is once again quiet, and I am force feeding her water. I made an appointment with the vet and her appointment is at 3:40pm. Although, I'm taking her to the same vet office I believe made her sick in the first place. I'm seriously considering taking her somewhere different. What should I do?? I really need help to make my puppy healthy, but I feel lost as there is no diagnoses for her issues, at least thus far."Replies
08/30/2010: Isabella from Raleigh, North Carolina replies: "Carrie - I don't have any suggestions but my heart goes out to you! Please post again and advise how your baby is doing."
09/20/2010: Mama from London, Ontario, Canada replies: "Look into h202 and the oneminutecure.com and read about how it cures everything! I had the same stool issue with my dog - did the h202 and he cleared up in only a few days!! I just put 5 drops of 35% into his water bowel and re-did that every time it emptied. All the best to ya!! DON'T EVER VACCINATE YOUR PET FOR ANYTHING!!! LET ITS OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM WORK FOR IT, IT WILL WORK BETTER THAN ALL THAT POISONOUS CRAP!!"
10/16/2010: Bb from Atlanta, Ga Usa replies: "Food grade H2O2 is great. I use it myself. Also chlorella & thuja is good for clearing the system."
09/07/2011: Ruth from Runcorn, Cheshirer, Uk replies: "Take your puppy to another vets. I know when my dog Charlie was a puppy, a trainee vet gave him one of the first vaccinations and he couldn't eat, drink, kept throwing up, shaking and was limp. I called the same vets up and they were like oh it's a side effect and wears off in an hour but it wasn't the case. We rang up again an hour later and they were like "there's nothing we can do. " And inferred he has some natural selection form of illness that meant he died as a puppy but that night, we took him to an emergency vet on call in Liverpool, a vet of the same chain as the first, and miraculously, as I was crying my heart out and my dad was mad at the first vets, all this vet did was inject him with some form of pain killer or anti-biotics and he was literally fine after ten minutes."
07/16/2010: Julie from Coventry, England: "I own and run an extremely successful hydrotherapy pool for dogs. This means over the period of 14 years I have treated thousands of dogs. Very many, including my previous dog, Monty, have suffered many and numerous side effects from over vaccination. These range from weakness in legs, auto-immune diseases, such as arthritis, skin complaints with rashes and skin turning black, hot spots, hair loss, nerve damage and brain damage. I, amongst, a growing number, including a long list of alternative vets in England, believe dogs do not need vaccines throughout their lives. When I realised my beloved Monty was vaccine damaged, I had teeter tests performed, this shows the anti bodies in the dogs blood. Every year Monty had high levels of resistance to parvo, distemper, para-influenza & distemper. The test does not show lepto. I believe you should wait till puppy is 12 weeks, so the immune system is better able to cope, before giving vaccines and after the initial 2 sets, 2 weeks apart, then they are protected for life. No flea or tick treatments either they are another form of toxins our dogs systems can do without. Go with your instinct on all matters concerning your dog and remember to question always. . . Whose interest is it in. . Your dogs or your vets."Replies
07/16/2010: Catherine from Seattle, Washington replies: "My vet told me that you cannot run a titer for rabies, but you can for most other vaccinations. Is this true? I wonder why you can't? I did have my golden retriever's levels also tested (except for rabies) and she too had high levels of resistance after 3 years of not having any shots. However, I did give her a 3 years rabies shot. I am thinking she won't need another one again."
07/16/2010: Lisa from Wichita Falls, Tz replies: "Julie, I agree! My little chihuahua mix is over 11 years old now and He has not had vaccines in years because he would get sick for days when he got the rabies. I am scared of the stuff! Think about it, every year people put so much stuff into the bodies of their pets. And, you hear alot of animals getting cancer and all kinds of things. People don't do this to them selves so, why do they do it to their pets every year?Little bodies cannot handle all of the bad stuff that is put into them like that! ! Just my opinion. . . "
07/19/2010: Rainman from Central, Vt, Usa replies: "Catherine. . . Rabies titers absolutely exist. In fact, I think most dogs have to have this done before they can be transported to another country. If your vet is saying there isn't a titer. . . You need to find a new vet."
[YEA] 05/04/2010: Javagenie from Central, Vt, Usa: "I have a Boxer that had distemper and rabies shot last November 2009 (he was about a year old). About a month later he started to develop severe dry/red skin with blotches. He was digging at his skin constantly and obsessively. We finally brought him to the vet and they gave him a round of antibiotics that helped clear it up slightly. For months afterwards, he kept having these out breaks about once a month. This past spring (2010) we took him again because he had itchy skin. They gave him the same antibiotics and not realizing he had already been vaccinated for rabies a few months ago administered another shot. About 2 weeks later he started digging at himself even more than he has ever done before. He also started to act differently (aggressive at time and sometimes confused). We brought him back to the vet and they administered a shot of cortisone. That night he started to have these seizure looking episodes that only affected the movement of his head and he was completely concious and alert. Regardless of our description the vet's diagnosised it as focal epileptic seizures and immediately started to administer phenobarbitol. After about 2days later with the phenobarbitol not working, he was looking terrible and I was beginning to wonder if he was going to survive. By this time I was loosing faith with our vet. So, I began to do some extensive internet research. I found that the seizures were actually called "head tremors" and some believe are to be caused from vaccinations and/or a compromised immune system. This led me down a long trail of information about vaccinations and specifically overvaccinosis. I immediately started to administer milk thistle combined with dandelion root and burdock. The head tremors immediately started to get better and within a few days he stopped having them. Only on a few occassions within the past 4-6wks has he had them since giving him this liver detox formula. After finding great success with this natural miracle cure... We seeked the council of a hollistic/homeopathic vet and have been trying to repair the damage caused by this unnecessary vaccination protocol. After about a month of a raw diet, supplements, and homeopathic treatments our beloved pet is starting to make some improvements. He is still in the detox phase... so, it is tough some days. But, we are all confident that he will have an almost full recovery within the next 12mo.
My advice to anyone who has noticed any changes in their pet following any vaccinations within 3mo. is to seek a naturalistic vet ASAP. If it were not for sites like these my dog would have been dead at the hands of a normal veterinarian professional. It's time for the medical community to wake up and stop poisoning us and our pets with toxins! Stop treating symptoms and treat the cause naturally and safely!!!!"
08/03/2012: Sheila from Toronto, Ontario replies: "End of May 2012 I brought my then 15 month old dog to the vet for the revolution. At that time she was just over 22lbs and was given a higher dose of revolution for dogs over 22lbs to 40lbs. Unfortunately, we didnt notice anything until 3 weeks later when there was blood at the back of her neck. I thought it was the water from the lake or her diet that she started having a skin allergy. After verifying on internet I applied vitamin E oil 3 times everyday. On the 5th day, while cleaning the spot to apply more vit E oil I felt more bumps and her skin was very hard and purplish and it seemed that the affected area was bigger than what I thought. I immediately brought her to a vet nearby who said that she has seen bad reactions to revolution a couple of days after the application. I was in awe when my dog was shaven at that spot. There were more than 2 dozens bumps all scabbed. The next day when I brought my dog to her regular vet, the latter denied vehemently stating that this is the first case she has ever encountered in her practice but took pictures and said she will investigate with the manufacturer.
Today, my dog has totally recovered but I am very skeptical vis a vis any vaccination or drops that the vets recommend. I am educating myself to natural alternatives. I thank "earth clinic" which is very educative.
However, I would like to know if there is any alternative to leptospirosis prevention."
07/22/2009: Belle from Whitby, ON. Canada: "From what I have read (and I have read quite extensively on this subject) the vets buy the vaccines in pre-measured doses from the pharmaceutical companies. The doses are not properly adjusted for the animal's size and weight, and so your dog may well have been overdosed. Also, more problems arise with time, as the dogs become over-vaccinated with unecessary yearly boosters. I have two purebred shih tzu, aged 3yr... and 6 yr. The older one has developed auto-immune problems (problems seldom seen years ago when few dogs were ever vaccinated). This dog has received its last vaccinations and so has the 3 year old. I would have stopped sooner, but I have pet insurance which always asks the vet on each claim form if the pet's vaccinations are up to date. I have eliminated this condition by cancelling the pet insurance! The money I save on premiums and on unnecessary vaccinations (not covered by insurance) will be better spent on holistic vet care. I will spend my money on titer tests to determine if their level of immunity is sufficient, rather than vaccinate willy-nilly with a backward-thinking vet. There is only ONE holistic vet in my area and she has a long waiting list for patients. Most vets were so heavily indoctrinated at veterinary college and cannot (or will not) break free of their paradigm (framework of thinking) from what they were initially taught. Also, vaccination is a large percentage of their revenue. I like my current vet very much and hate changing to another one, but this vaccination nonsense and her over-reliance on antibiotics (which are not even successful) leaves me no choice but to pursue holistic treatment on my own while I work my way up the waiting list for the holistic vet.
And oh, by the way, in my reading I have found out that there have been a number of "faulty vaccines" not properly prepared by the companies, with tragic results. Get a good book (such as "Vaccine Guide for Dogs and Cats") on this subject at a holistic pet store or try online."
07/19/2009: Laura from Lombard, IL: "I work with animals in many ways, grooming~vet tech~rescue....
Please be an informed pet owner and find out what is required BY LAW in your state as to NOT over vaccinate your pet. (and then ask your vet to low dose it)
Over vaccination is a huge health hazard to your pets. There are many holistic vets now if you do some research.
Over vaccination creates a revenue generating pet for the conventional vet and usually leads to life of misery for the poor pet that is suffering a whole bunch of auto immune diseases and seizures,allergies etc....
Take some time and research!! So many pets dying from poor quality food-over vaccination and poor quality water.
All they have is us to depend on don't let them down!"
06/02/2009: CShep from Conyers, Georgia: "As requested, I'm emailing regarding vaccination affects we've had in our pets.
In 2004, we had a 5 year old female husky to die within 2 hours of receiving her vaccination. She'd had shots every year (DA2PP) without any problems. This year the vet added the Corona Vaccine which is what we think killed her.
We took her for an necropsy immediately to UGA Vet School. Receiving vet said there was no doubt she died from vax reaction. The vet doing the necropsy had the cell phone number to my vet (they knew each other), made personal calls to each other. I think to protect my vet from a law suit or what-not, the vet doing the necropsy reported her death inconclusive, died from swelling in brain (encyphelytis). Thus, this tragedy could not be reported to the vaccine companies!!!!
The same day, a 3 year old Shih Tzu had what I call neurological effects. He was despondent and screamed if we touched him for 3 days. Its like all his nerves were very sensitive. For an addl 7 days he was distant and a touch-me-not and whimpered if we touched him. He had never had any reactions to a vaccine before. I also contribute this to the corona that was added to the vaccine.
The vet REFUSED to believe that his vaccine caused either of these. Yet, on the same day I had 2 dogs severely affected.
I have since learned that corona only affects puppies; thus, no need to ever be given to an adult dog. Yet, most vets include this in the vaccine protocol. I now buy my own vaccinations and give the shots myself on a more conservative protocol due to the new findings of how we are way over vaccinating our pets.
I encourage all to learn about the vaccines their pets are getting and do not accept a vets word that all are safe. He's in business to make money. When adding the corona vax in 2004, the vet charged an addl $30 per vaccine!!!!!
EC: Thank you, CShep. We're cross-posting your feedback in the advice section and the side effects section.
06/06/2009: LabLover from Saginaw, Michigan replies: "Adult dogs do not need corona virus and are only given it when they are pups and get their first shots in the series of 3. After this point, Corona is no longer given unless the animal is going to be used for breeding purposes."
05/31/2009: Juliana from Boulder, CO: "When my dog becamse seriously ill, I found a product that used refined cow colostrum to substitute for a lack of immunity. Actual colostrum is a milk product and dogs stop absorbing milk after weaning. The refined product seems to overcome this problem. I have used this for dogs seeming to be under the weather. I used it for my own resistant respiratory infection.
I have heard that it is helpful if givern before and after doggie vaccinations. I had planned to use it for the next mandatory rabies vaccination. My dog died before I had a chance to use this.
Also rabies vaccinations are now usually given in a leg as opposed to the neck. This is because that vaccine can cause a specific cancer and a neck cannot be amputated. This infuriates me.
Also micro-chipped dogs and people can develop a specific cancer that grows around the glass enclosed chip. A certain company is working behind the scenes to make micro-chipping mandatory for certain populations.
I didn't chip my dog or vaccinate him during later adulthood. He died last Sunday; he was 15 years old. That is rare these days.
Since topical pest control products are nerve agents, I washed my dog often and used essential oils as flea and tick protection. Losing them at any age is just awful.
06/10/2012: Carri from York, Pa, Us replies: "Five years ago, I had to move into low income housing. Prior to that, I was not letting my cat, named Mouse, get vaccinations since I first got her because I had another cat get cancer at the injection site and die from it. So my cat Mouse hadn't had a shot in a long time. Since she has been getting the required by law and FORCED on me shot because of where I live, she has been steadily losing weight. She went from almost twelve pounds five years ago, to seven and a half pounds now. And last week when I was forced to take her once again for the Rabies shot, I think she's lost more weight in the past week. She's experiencing all kinds of side effects from the shot now. She's been refusing water alot. And this is a cat who loves her water. She's barely been eating. I had to change her food and give her other things just to get her to eat. She's in pain all over since the Rabies shot. If you pick her up, she makes noise like she's in pain from it. The day after the shot last week, she was confused. And she's even tried to eat things that aren't food, like bits of cat litter. She's having trouble doing anything now and just wants to stay on my bed. Half the time, I'm carrying her to her food and water and this is since the Rabies shot. She's in too much pain to do much. And she's running fevers on and off, mostly on.
I'm praying the side effects will wear off and she'll at least want to eat and drink more. She drank a tiny bit of water this morning and then refused to touch it the rest of the day.
I am heartbroken, upset over it. I had asked the vet if he would give her a waiver and not give her the shot, but he refused. This is a fifteen year old indoor cat that never goes outside. There is zero risk of her getting rabies. And the horrific side effects from the shot are not worth anything in this world. His excuse for not giving her the waiver was that he would only assign a waiver if he personally witnessed a reaction in his office. He's so EVIL. First of all, if that happened, he would have already killed your pet or harmed them with the shot. Second of all, in many pets, reactions take time to happen. Usually hours after the shot. All this vet is interested in is his wallet. He doesn't care whose pet he harms or kills as long as he's making that money.
I want this barbaric law repealed. There is absolutely no reason on this earth for indoor older pets to get a shot of any kind. Vaccines have never been proven safe or effective. The vaccine industry is the biggest fraud on this planet. Vaccines produce an antibody that often does nothing. You will still get sick with whatever you or your pet were vaccinated for. The side effects of many vaccines are permanently disabling. It's not worth anything on this earth.
The building I live in, because it's a HUD building, if I don't do the Rabies shot, they will literally evict me. I had to do it. If I didn't, they would tell me to get rid of my cat, or they would call someone to take her from me by force. And I'd still get evicted for breaking the lease. I am literally held hostage to force vaccinate my cat every year. They don't care if my cat is harmed by the vaccine. They don't care if I can afford to take her. All they want is those papers proving she was injected."
03/20/2009: Joni from McKinney, TX: "When my first mini doxie received his first rabies vaccination, he swelled up like he had tumors all over his body. Immediately, returned to vet and just in time as his airway was almost completely closed. Vet immediately administered multiple allergy meds. A medical letter was written to our local county that this dog was never to be vaccinated again. When he was two years of age, allergies (food and skin) came on strong. I then cooked his own meals for the rest of his life and was on a med to control the skin issues. He lived 14 years and died from diabetes. When he was 13, he did bite a friend. The vet did a titers test and sure enough that one vaccine he had as a baby was still in his system. I currently have two doxies now and I had to vaccinate them due to county and state laws. They were given allergy meds at the same time. They did fine and I hear that the laws are changing if doing a titers test. VERY IMPORTANT, if a pet needs to be vaccinated, get a morning appt and make sure your vet is available just in case there is a reaction. Never vaccinate on a Friday if vet office is closed on weekends. Using Revolution, also stopped my one doxie from vomiting and lowered his liver levels dramatically. I would still like to research a more holistic approach."Replies
06/12/2012: Susanne from St. Joseph, Mo Missouri replies: "I just got my 4 yr old mini doxie revac'd this Spring. He had rabies, distemper and bordatella(nasal). On my way home, the dog puked all over the car and all over me when I tried to help him out onto the grass. He was sick for several hours, slept most of the evening and was a little lethargic when he did go out to pee. He seemed fine the next day. I thought it might be a reaction to the shots but never thought of an allergic reaction. I just thought that maybe it was a little too strong for a mini guy. He was a rescue and I didn't know much about him and my other dog was much bigger.
Yesterday, I took my 12 yr old yellow lab to the vet for her shots... Same ones. We were going out of town and I needed to board both dogs so I got the bordatella(nasal) for her too. I was 5 blocks from home and she puked all over the back seat. Big dog, big mess. I pulled over and let her out and we stayed there thru 3 more upheavals. After about 20 minutes, there was no more and we headed home. Things promptly got worse after we got home. More puking was followed by my beloved Angel not being able to breathe normally. Her body was wretching while she strained so hard to get oxygen. Her tongue was hanging out, slobber everywhere and then her tongue turned purple. I had already realized this was a severe allergic reaction and we were in the car headed back to the vet. I didn't think I was going to make it in time. She was given an iv of prednisone and put on oxygen. For 2.5 hours I watched my old girl desperately try to get oxygen and there was nothing I could do but be there. Finally I saw some pink come back to her tongue and the breathing distress she was in, lessened. We bounced back and forth with breathing labored and getting calmer for another half hour before she finally was able to lay her head down and stretch out with minimal discomfort. Her breathing still wasn't right but she was so much better than before. The vet thinks that it was the nasal bordatella because it was her lungs that shut down. She has never had one before because I have never boarded her before. He put a red flag on her chart to make sure she was never given the nasal dosage again and told me there was a shot that could be given. I told him she would never have another shot for the rest of her life. NEVER! The prednisone was supposed to work in about 20 minutes.... NOT SO MUCH! She had 2 hours of oxygen with a very caring young man that laid on the floor with her to make sure the tube stayed near her mouth so she had pure oxygen. He even kissed her head and pet her as he could see the terror in her eyes also. I know that I almost lost my Angel Face and am very grateful that I had thought to look up symptoms these shots might cause(because of the puking) and happened to read this site. All it took was reading one story and we were on the road to the vet.
Thank you all for sharing and helping to save my dog, my best friend. Her "brother" Jax, the mini doxie will not ever have to go thru any of this either."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 08/07/2012: Karen J from Avenel, Nj replies: "My 20.8 lb Lasapoo just got vacinated with the 3 year rabies shot - this is his second time. the first time seven days later he became violently ill. This time they gave him a shot prior to the vaccine to help with any reaction he 'may' have. Yesterday was day seven after the vaccine and he is vomitting and has diarrhea - we are taking him back to the vet. I feel so helpless, it's the law that he has to be vacinated and I want to do what is right but my poor baby is so sick again."
03/13/2009: Mike from Fairfield, CT: "I would highy recommend a book called "The Nature of Animal Healing" by Marty Goldstein. He is a holistic vet in South Salem, NY. We took our cat there after he developed cronic renal failure which my wife and I feel was caused by a rabies booster shot. You will be horrified about what these shots and the commercial pet food industry has done and is doing to our pets. Our cat is doing much better since seeing Dr. Marty and he now only eats poached chicken and baby sweet potatoes. Dr. Marty believes in feeding our pets what we eat (yes with restrictions). Buy this book. PS I am not related to Dr. Marty nor get any royalties from him. I just care about my cat. He's my pal "Replies
09/13/2010: Sharon from Irving, Texas replies: "How is your cat? I have a 13 yr old who is in renal failure and it is breaking my heart. My vet just has her on a special RF food... Told me to put lite salt on the food to keep her drinking water. Apparently nothing can be done."
03/11/2012: Maria from Chicago, Illinois replies: "Our 6 year old yorkshire terrier receives the 3 year rabies vaccination to keep him from being traumatized annually and for my peace of mind. Max is a very good dog, I would not want him being accused of biting and taken away from us if he did not have his rabies shot."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 05/01/2012: Ritata from Price, Ut replies: "My Chorkie had a horrible reaction to his Rabies/portadello...almost lost him! Living 5 miles from the vet I was just blocks from our home when max started FLIPPING all over the floor of the car. My first reaction was that his harness was pinching him. I pulled over, removed the harness, and at that time he started struggling with his breathing... His tongue was hanging out and he just went limp. I ran into the house (carrying this little 6 lb. Dog who is having a hard time breathing) called the vet and they told me to get him back out there quickly! Now his face is swelling and he is really gasping for air as we get back to the vets. They gave him a pill because they were afraid to give him another shot! I've never gone back for is booster."
03/13/2009: Elizabeth from Adelaide, Australia: "People who are concerned about the health of their pets should read the latest international guidelines for dog and cat vaccination.
In 2007 the World Small Animal Veterinary Association (WSAVA) published Dog and Cat Vaccination Guidelines (built on the US AAHA (Canine) and AAFP (Feline) guidelines) for global application. Ref: http://www.wsava.org/PDF/Misc/VGG_09_2007.pdf
The WSAVA guidelines include a number of significant statements:
- We should aim to vaccinate every animal, and to vaccinate each individual less frequently. (p. 2)
- we should aim to reduce the 'vaccine load' on individual animals in order to minimise the potential for adverse reactions to vaccine products. (p. 3)
- Vaccines should not be given needlessly. Core vaccines should not be given any more frequently than every three years after the 12 month booster injection following the puppy/kitten series. (p. 2)
- In the case of dogs, the Fact Sheets of the WSAVA guidelines note that duration of immunity after vaccination with MLV vaccines is 7 years or longer, based on challenge and serological studies, for Canine Parvovirus Type 2 (CPV-2), Canine Adenovirus (CAV-2) and Canine Distemper Virus (CDV) vaccines. (pp. 15-17)
In regards to duration of immunity, Professor Ronald Schultz, an expert in immunology and a member of the WSAVA Vaccination Guidelines Group, notes:
"I believe that dogs and cats vaccinated as puppies and kittens should be revaccinated at 1 year of age with the vaccines used earlier. After that I do not believe there is an immunologic need to revaccinate annually with CDV, CPV-2, CAV-2..." (Ref: Current and future canine and feline vaccination programs. Veterinary Medicine, March 1998, pp. 233-254).
In an article published in August 1995 (nearly 14 years ago!), Professor Schultz stated:
"I don't think there is a need to vaccinate adult dogs, since early vaccination will be sufficient to stimulate memory cells." (Ref: Are we vaccinating too much? JAVMA, Vol 207, No. 4, August 15, 1995).
If your vet sends you an annual reminder to have your adult dog revaccinated with the core MLV vaccines for parvovirus, adenovirus and distemper, challenge him. The latest scientifically based guidelines state that it is not necessary for adult dogs to have these vaccinations every year of their life. It is of no benefit and actually puts the dog needlessly at risk of an adverse reaction.
I learned this the hard way when my dog (Sasha - an eight year old Maltese x Silky terrier) became very sick with what was diagnosed as "haemorrhagic gastroenteritis" eight days after her last unnecessary revaccination with core MLV vaccines (C5 booster). My dog had six annual boosters during her life, most of which were unnecessary, and needlessly put her at risk of an adverse reaction. Sasha is now dead, put to sleep four days after the visible onset of her illness. The veterinarian who vaccinated her refused to consider her illness (and subsequent death) might have been caused or influenced by the vaccination. I am now in the process of preparing my own "adverse event" report.
I have been researching this subject since Sasha's death last September and I am shocked by what I have discovered. Australia is way behind on this issue. A culture of unnecessary and possibly harmful over-vaccination with core MLV vaccines has become entrenched. The whole system is weighted against acknowledging and reporting delayed reactions that might have been caused by vaccination. I am currently trying to fight this system.
According to a paper by an expert in this area, Dr Jean Dodds, vaccination reactions can occur up to 45 days later, or even longer. (Ref: Vaccination Protocols for Dogs Predisposed to Vaccine Reactions. Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association, May/June 2001, Vol 37, pp 211-214.)
Who knows how many other people's pets have gotten sick or died a week, a month or even longer after a revaccination and they haven't made the connection that the revaccination could have been at fault? The veterinarians aren't likely to mention it are they? The WSAVA guidelines make the point that adverse events are grossly under-reported.(p. 8). So dogs and cats can end up with chronic illnesses, or even die, and the pet owners would never know that over-vaccination may have been the cause - a case of veterinarians "burying their mistakes". If I hadn't decided to do some research after Sasha died, I wouldn't have found out about this. Sasha would have been just another unknown and uncared for statistic.
As more and more people discover that there are veterinarians who are actually putting their beloved pets needlessly at risk with unnecessary over-vaccination with core MLV vaccines, there is likely to be a significant backlash against the veterinary profession.
Those veterinarians who value the integrity of their profession need to address this untenable situation and work to ensure that the practice of unnecessary over-vaccination is ceased immediately. This has been going on for years and important scientifically based information has been withheld from pet owners.
I am trying to have this situation addressed by the Australian Veterinary Association (AVA), the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) and Australian Veterinary Schools. So far it is proving very difficult to get effective action to address this serious problem...
Read the WSAVA Dog and Cat Vaccination Guidelines and decide for yourself.
People should be informed before they make the decision to revaccinate their pets. There are serious - and unnecessary - risks involved with over-vaccination."
05/05/2009: Jude from Pensacola, FL, USA replies: "Thanks for the posts on dog vaccinations - Elizabeth I am so sorry for your dog's death - thankyou for your post - I will not be getting my dogs repeat (unnecessary) shots now."
03/11/2012: John from South Of Perth, West Australia replies: "Elizabeth of Adelaide. A 2009 post, thanks for the well written information.
My Bonny had to be put down today after a long battle against adverse vaccination reactions.. The vet cost me a fortune and arrogantly denied that the vaccine was at fault.. He never gave us the steroids that should have been tried right at the onset.. Months later they were obtained from a second vet and worked well immediately...
But by then we had spent thousands on tests and operations which achieved nothing and wasted precious time.. The delay in proper diagnosis and treatment meant that damage was done to her organs. She nearly died a number of times.. Gastro problems were the dominant symptom. She suddenly went downhill this week to the point of no return.
Details perhaps not necessary, but at the end of the day, I have been robbed of my bestest friend ever who was a 24/7 asset to me in many ways and the greatest ambassador for dogs and responsible ownership that you could wish for.. So the loss extends well beyond just me.
This vet (Phil. B. ), sends reminders of reminders, for pet owners to promptly get their "annual" vaccination.. Theres a list of complaints I have against him.. From day one I insisted that the sickness began precisely at the time following vaccination, with the first sign a lump at the needle site.
This expensive and gruelling saga which spanned 8 months until eventual death, has to this day not been reported to anyone by the vet.. It will be up to me if I can find the form and where to lodge it..
Obviously this money-hungry vet has made a lot more money from my dog dying than he would have otherwise. Bonny was an amazing dog who was treated as royalty and given as much fun and freedom as possible.
She endured so much duress and sickness following the killed vaccine reaction. I diagnosed it immediately and confirmed it through researching on the internet. The vet blamed "cancer" but the symptoms did not match and no cancer was ever found. In the end he said it was either my fault or my dogs fault!! Prior to the Companion C5 needle Bonny was 100% perfect.
This to me is just not good enough. I only wish I had been forewarned about the dangers of over-vaccinating etc.. I only did what I thought was the best thing to protect my dog. It has now turned out that my good intentions, and trust in vets, . has been severely betrayed in a most damaging way.
Bonny was an amazing and innocent much-loved pet and friend.. For her to suffer such a cruel fate is tragic.. Five and a half years old and now dead.
She was highly trained and of an irreplaceable breed.
Anyway Elizabeth, considering you were making such great efforts in 2009, it is very disappointing that there are still the same problems existing in 2012.. For me its probably the last effort at raising a great dog.. After all the investment of time, love, and money, its a traumatic , expensive end.
I will be spreading the message as far and wide as I can..
Do NOT vaccinate beyond the puppy stage without a seriously good reason.
Do NOT automatically trust any vet as if they love animals, because some of them love the money more, while some of them are also incompetent to the point of malpractice or worse.
Its a pity, since dogs are a valuable thread to the healthy social fabric.. We benefit in immeasurable ways from well kept pets. But we also suffer with their loss. Meanwhile the pharmaceutical companies make their money and then some more when dogs get sick. The dogs can't talk so they make easy targets. 8 months after that dreadful needle my dear Bonny is dead, and buried tomorrow."
02/28/2009: Yvonne LeMay from Aguanga, CA, USA: "Please....don't vaccinate your dogs or cats after they've had their puppy shots. It's just not necessary. My toy poddle had reactions to rabies and other annual shots. My new holistic vet said all those shots are NOT necessary, and may in fact be very harmful, as you can see by all the comments on this website. My poodle has not had ANY vaccinations in about 8 years (he's 14 years old now) and he's doing very well. Vets are no different than our own doctors, they are taught to give drugs and vaccinations, rather than get to the root of a problem. Ever notice how you take your dog/cat for annual shots and they manage to find other things wrong and you end up with endless bills? That's how they get you there in the first place....scare you into thinking that you HAVE to give your pet annual vaccinations. It's deadly!! Refuse to do it, like parents refusing to vaccinate their children because of the link to autisum....the government is behind saying that vaccinations DON'T cause autisum because they're not concerned with the few who have bad reactions. They think they're saving millions from illness...but what if your loved one is the "one percent" damaged from the vaccination. Wake up....don't let them brainwash you into thinking your dog/cat needs vaccinations every year. It totally overloads their own immune systems."Replies
03/07/2009: Deana from Temecula, Ca replies: "was wondering who the holistic vet is that the woman in aguanga used? please let me know"
04/09/2009: Roxana from Braidwood, IL replies: "I have a poodle who is very healthy, will be 2 years old in July and he has developed a spot on his right front shoulder blade where the his hair is gone. Approx. size is 1-1/2 round. There is a slight feeling of warmth and at times it has a small section that is hard under the skin. A couple of weeks earlier he had a 3 year rabies shot, now 2 months later he has a hairless spot and I am worried, even though the vet does not seem to be as worried as I am.
What happened to your poodle? What do you think might have happened? He eats all natural foods, chicken, rice, green beans, carrots and broc. drinks plently of water and has good stools after he eats. He is also very active. Just has a bare spot on his right front shoulder blade area. Thanks Roxana"
04/18/2009: Bebe from San Francisco, CA replies: "Hi Deana,
I just took my 3 year old chihuahua in to see her vet due to her right thigh's skin spot. The spot is hairless and was immediately noticeable after her rabies shot. I was assured by my vet that it's a reaction to the rabies vaccination. Smaller dogs are more prone to the reaction.
My vet can exempt my dog from her yearly rabies vaccination since she has a reaction. In the US, it is very likely that domesticated cats and dogs carry rabies so our vet assured us that our dog will be fine without the rabies vaccination.
I hope this help answer your poodles spot and you can feel somewhat relieved as I started to think that it was skin cancer.
Best to you!
09/19/2010: Ron from Canton, Mass replies: "Read up on vaccincations. They are 16% of vet profits. Overvaccination is something called vaccinosis. A DISEASE! Read all you can about what your pets really need. We humans don't get vaccinations every year. Titers should be checked to see if your pet really needs that yearly vaccinations."