Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- POPULAR REMEDIES
- Apple Cider Vinegar
- Apple Cider Vinegar, Coconut Oil
- Avoid Non-Stick Pans
- Avoid Soy
- Coconut Oil
- Eliminate Soy
- Fluoride And The Thyroid
- General Feedback
- Homeopathic Remedies
- Iodized Salt
- Raw Food Diet
- Remedies Needed
- Sea Kelp
- Soda Crystals
- Supplements for Hyperthyroid
- Weaning Off Meds
- Wilson's Syndrome
12/02/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia: "Hi Debbie, Further to my post to you earlier in the week (re iodine & my dream update) my husband reminded me that his cold feet returned and now that we are back on the iodine his feet are normal ..."
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04/13/2011: Mary B. from Sandpoint, Idaho, Usa: "I am female, 49, and have been oil pulling for about two and a half weeks. My positive experience with oil pulling has been a definite clearing of sinuses. I have always been a mouth breather and now find that I can breath through my nose. In the past, I felt as if I was not getting enough air when breathing through my nose.
Last Tuesday (day 10) I woke up with a swollen thyroid on the right hand side of my neck. Blood tests show my thyroid function is fine. Ultrasound shows that several nodes on the left side of my thyroid are swollen as well. Docs are not worried about the large swollen node on the right but are concerned about the smaller ones on the right that are considerd complex - part liquid, part solid. Any chance the oil pulling could have triggered this?
They took more blood yesterday and are running additonal tests. My liver function is also normal.
Thanks! Mary B."Replies
04/14/2011: Denice from Knoxville, Tn replies: "Was wondering if you found out oil pulling had anything to do with swollen thyroid. I have been oil pulling for about 3 weeks and noticed a swollen thyroid. Blood test for thyroid came out normal. Had an ultrasound today but will not find out results until next week. Thanks"
03/24/2011: Loren from Queens, Ny: "Hi everyone: Has anyone heard of a product called Chinese bitters and if so does anyone know if its safe for thyroid patients? Thanks everyone for yr comments. God bless"
03/23/2011: Tiamat from Cypress, Tx, Usa: "I have been doing hardcore UT for about 3 months. When I say hardcore, I mean drinking almost all of it everyday. Before that I drank about 8 0z. Three times a day for three months. I was on 180 mg of Armour thyroid for 15 years. I am 42.
After about a month on the "hardcore" regimen, all of my chronic fatigue, achiness, and all the rest of the stuff that comes with chronic illness disappeared. I started having a reaction to my Armour and started cutting back on it. I felt better than I ever had. In about a month I was off of my medicine completely and felt great. About a week after going off of it I started having the worst pms ever, followed by a horrible period, cramps, migraine, the works. I decided to wait a couple of weeks to get my thyroid checked so it could regulate.
I waited three weeks and have felt pretty bad the last two. I got my TSH tested yesterday and it was 11.5.
Needless to say, I am dismayed because I thought the UT was helping my thyroid. Also, I am afraid if I go back on my full dose I won't be able to tolerate it. What I experienced before was chest pains, jumpiness, general hyperthyroid symptoms that went away when I cut down the meds. This is very confusing for me because I have an 18 year old son with a low thyroid too and he is about a month behind me on the UT. He also had the same experience with intolerance to his Synthroid and has been off of it for two days. He feels great but is now worried that his will go back down. I didn't have it tested when I was cutting back, I only went on how I felt. Has anyone had experiences like this? I would really appreciate any insights."Replies
03/24/2011: Linda from York County, Maine replies: "Hi Tiamat, I have no experience with UT but have been on over 200 mcg of Levothyroxine or Synthroid for several years; at one time, I decided to stop taking it and felt fantastic for about a week..... When I started feeling bad and began the meds again, it took a couple of weeks to feel better. You and your son, Please be careful."
03/30/2011: Tiamat from Cypress, Tx replies: "Thanks Linda, I'm going to get my son retested in about a week. I'm back on my full dose and also trying bentonite clay with the UT. We shall see what happens."
[QUESTION] 02/16/2010: Darlene from Wasilla, Alaska: "Do thyroid problems have any link to hair color dyes? A lot of persons use it and head of hair is close to thyroid gland. Any correlation?"
10/15/2009: Loren from Queens, Ny: "This message is for Joyce from Joelton, Tn: i am hypothyroid and since my diagnosis 3 months ago, I have noticed a sudden appearance of liver spots on my back. Would you know if this is related to poor thyroid function? Also, After about 2 months on thyroid meds, i also notice a sudden rash on my arms/ tummy. Could the meds have something to do with this? Hope to hear from you soon. I would have asked my doctor but I am not due to see her until the end of this month. Any feedback you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you and God bless."Replies
10/16/2009: T from Maryland, Usa replies: "I'm not Joyce but I hope you don't mind the reply. May I ask what meds you're taking? I've read that too much thyroid hormone can cause a rash.
Have you been checked for thyroid antibodies? With the rash and the spots, it might be a good idea to get those tested. TPOAb and TgAB are the tests you'd want."
10/18/2009: Loren from Queens, Ny replies: "Hi T: Thks for responding to my query. To answer yr question, I am currently on T3 (5mcg) and T4 (16mcg). I usually get these from a compounding pharmacy and my pharmacist says that they are plant based. He also did mention that it is a very small dose. Thats why I didn't think it might be too much meds. As for the antibodies test I had those and it was elevated but very slightly. Its been about 3 months since my diagnosis so I am kind of new to this. Any advice would be helpful."
[QUESTION] 01/10/2009: Ann from Dothan, AL,USA: "My problem started two years ago, and the Doctors have yet to find out what causes it. They put me on Zebeta, it was to keep me from having the rapid forceful heartbeats, but I still have them about ever 4 months, My doctor tells me that I now need to go on Synthroid because my TSH has gone from 4 to 9.11 in two years. I took a lot of research to my last appointment in which he was not really interested in. I told him I had all the symptoms of hyperthyroidism, but he is telling me I am Hypothyroidism because my TSH going from 4.0 to 9.11 in two years. I ask him about Adrenal and he just ignored me basically, I have been to several doctors and none of them can help me. I had one tell be that medicine was not a perfect science. He was actually the only doctor I liked he would atleast listen. but he is hard to ge an appointment with. The clinic I go to has 7 doctors and you never know which one you will actually get to see, if you need on right away. I read the article about putting the iodine (which I do have lugols) and am going to see what happens with that. I was wondering if anyone had tried Natrabio Thyroid Support and if it had helped anyone. I bought some and have planned to try it. I also bought natrabio adrenal support and was wondering if anyone had tried that. I have tried to find a certified Natrapathic doc in my area and can not find one as of yet. Please help if you have any information. (in the past two years I also had a web grow accross the top of my esphogus. which my GI doc says is rare, has anyone had this problem. i am hoping I don't have that problem anymore. but I still have the rapid forceful heartbeat probelm. I have found that a few sips of apple cider vinigar during one of thes epesiodes seems to start the heart to slow down about the time the ambulance gets to my house but during this rapid forceful heartbeatt my blood pressure rises very high. when the ambulance got to my house the other night my bloods pressure had slowed down to 210/110 and my heart beat had slowed down to 110. I am about stressed out about it all.
01/11/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn replies: "To Ann from Dothan, Al.
Hello Ann, Sorry you are having those palpitation problems, but start paying attention to what you are eating or drinking within a few hours of them starting. Our processed foods are heavily laden with monosodium glutamate and aspartame, both excitotoxins known to cause palpitatations, panic attacks, mood swings, seizures,brain tumors, brain cancers, parkinsons disease, alzherimers disease, Lou Gehrigs disease, among other things.
Magnesium is another mineral that has a lot to do with blood pressure & heart rate control. To build yours up, start taking about 500 mgm 2/day orally, but I would also be putting a cup of epsom salts in my bath water daily to bring it up without flushing it right through
the GI tract, thanks to its laxative properties.
That lugol's should help on the low thyroid, but so would a kelp supplement. Another thing your thyroid needs to operate properly is a good supply of the B complex vitamins. Get you a good B l00 complex to take daily or even better get a good stress tablet (Bcomplex + vitamins C & E) and take one at meal time & bedtime. This should give that thyroid what it needs to function properly.
To get an idea of your MSG/aspartame intake go to that page in EC & print out the list of names they hide MSG under, Take that into your kitchen and start reading ingredients list on everything in there that goes into your GI tract. I'll bet if you tossed out everything containing either or both, you wouldn't have much left in there, because it is hard to find any broth, bouillon, sauce, salad dressing, ketchup, or even raw meats without those natural flavors, natural flavorings, hydrolyzed plant proteins, or lately just (pea, corn, soy, etc) plant proteins."
01/11/2009: T from Maryland, USA replies: "I'm sorry I have no input on the supplements you mentioned, but I would strongly suggest blood testing for TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. Having symptoms of both hyper- and hypothyroidism could mean Hashimoto's, an autoimmune disorder in which your own system attacks the thyroid. Elevated antibodies are a good indicator of Hashimoto's. Unfortunately, when you have doctors already ignorant of thyroid disease, they're likely going to be even worse when it comes to Hashimoto's. For the longest time I figured I couldn't have thyroid disease as I am not overweight (everything I had heard seemed to mention weight problems for thyroid patients) and I had symptoms of both hyper and hypo, which I didn't know could be possible. It was only when I finally became devastatingly ill that I started researching and began realizing what was going on. After being brushed off despite dozens of symptoms and family history of thyroid disease, I got my own blood work done and diagnosed myself. It took over $2000 out of my pocket to get the quacks to give me an $11 bottle of medicine I had told/shown them I needed from the start. Ridiculous!!
Many doctors are appallingly ignorant of thyroid disease (a good read around thyroid forums will show you just how epidemic, entrenched, and damaging that ignorance is). My own struggle with this is how I became interested in natural medicine in the first place. It's what made me realize what uncaring, arrogant, ignorant moneysuckers too many in the medical profession are. Not all are that way, but sadly I haven't seemed to find one of the good ones for myself as yet.
My synthetic med (Levoxyl) has helped some, but I am still nowhere near up to par despite adding in excellent dietary changes and vitamins, etc. I'd like to try Armour natural thyroid medication, but they just won't listen (apparently quite the big pharma influence there; they have absolutely no other reason not to let me try it). Your quality of life means nothing to them; in fact, any problems you have after they medicate you their way must all be "in your head". As you found, that one single lab number (TSH) is the entire picture as far as they are concerned. Nothing could be further from the truth. Thyroid problems can be highly complex and are not "one size fits all" by a long shot. Do some research around the web as it's just too big a topic to really cover here, but the bottom line is get tested for those antibodies and see if you do have Hashi's - and if they won't test, there are online labs where you can order them for yourself, as I did. You should also have Free T3 and Free T4 tested. Take those results in with some good research backing you up and insist on proper treatment. Don't take their word for what is 'normal'; check it out for yourself. Thank God we have the internet to learn for ourselves and share information. You will find thyroid forums extremely helpful, and you might be able to get a recommendation at some for a good doc in your area.
I supplement with calcium/magnesium/D3, and also selenium (I take 100 mcg a day). Selenium supports the thyroid. Magnesium may help with the palpitations (seems to be helping with mine). Make sure you're getting adequate potassium intake; this too will affect the heart. Taking organic unrefined coconut oil (work up slowly to a few spoons a day - see other posts here on that) may also help the thyroid from what I've been reading. I am still looking into iodine and have not tried that yet. As you're having blood pressure problems, be sure to monitor that closely as you try things.
I wish you the very best of luck, and please let us know how it goes!"
01/11/2009: Rosy from Orlando, Fl replies: "A friend of mine used to eat bananas when they felt there heart acting up. She would also eat one if she ran out of meds before she could buy more. I would try a banana once a day and see if that helps. I think it is the potassium in them that effects the heart, but not too much to damage it."
01/13/2009: Robin from Rocky Ridge, Ohio replies: "I've had palpitations off and on for as long as I could remember, but last summer they started happening all day long.
After awhile I started worrying and did some research on the web. What I found was that magnesium deficiency could cause them, so I went out and bought a bottle of Natural Calm Magnesium Citrate that you take at night dissolved in hot water.
The effects were immediate, not only did I fall asleep faster that night, the next day the palpitations were gone. I believe there is some magnesium in ACV and that's why it had a positive effect for you.
The thyroid and the adrenals work hand in hand, all of the endrocrine glands do. They are like dominoes, if one has trouble, others follow suit. I have adrenal fatigue and thyroid resistance and in my research it was said that magnesium was vital to the recovery of adrenal fatigue, as is vitamin C.
I had a tubal ligation, (tubes tied) and that's when a lot of my problems started. The reduced blood flow to the ovaries cause then to shrivel and all but die. The adrenals have to do the work of producing a lot of my female hormones that the ovaries just couldn't handle anymore. This is talked about on the web too. I want to say it's called tubal ligation syndrome but I'm not 100% on that. That plus chronic sinus infections and a very stressful life living with an abusive ex husband was a further drain on my adrenal glands resulting in adrenal fatigue.
For about 100 years Dr.'s used to treat adrenal fatigue with much success using vitamins, mineral, herbs, glandulars, rest and lifestyle changes. At some point, they stopped even teaching about this once cortisone was developed and the result is Dr.'s out there that don't even know this ailment exists or how to treat it. They don't go by symptoms, they go by tests and all they know to test for is the two extremes on the scale, Cushing's disease and Addison's disease, leaving nothing to diagnose in between.
Check out www.adrenalfatigue.org for more information and remedies for this ailment. The book sold on this website and in stores is an excellent source of information.
If you cannot find a Naturopath in your area, often an Environmental Physician will know about the disorder. Some of them know what to do about the thyroid as well.
I also supplement with Lugol's Iodine, kelp or bladderwrack capsules for my thyroid, when I remember that is.
Blessings and goodluck!"
02/24/2009: Ann from Dothan, AL, USA replies: "I appreciate everyone's input on my problem with thyroid and heart palpations, I am going to try some of these suggestions. I have actually started, I will keep you up to date. I did go back for another blood test and my thyroid had dropped from 9.11 to 8.13, I tried to talk to the doc about my concerns, I wanted to try armour thyroid, he would not listen he just upped my mcg of synthroid, which I can't take because it makes me shake all over.. I told my cardiologist and he said that I need to make the doc listen or see someone else. My cardiologist just ran another eco-cardiogram and a stress test, I am waiting on results. I am trying to find a medical/naturopathic doc that I can see. None in my area in a 5 mile radious. still looking though. I am not sure which part of my home remedies that made my TSH drop down to the 8.13 so I am going to keep doing what I am doing and add some of your suggestions. I will keep you all posted.
Dianna from Austin, TX said she took VCO for her thyroid. I was wondering what is VCO?? Thanks Ann from Dothan, AL"
EC: VCO = Virgin Coconut Oil.
10/12/2012: Desertpunky from Socaldesert, Ca/usa replies: "I see a lot of people using Armour Thyroid. Armour changed their 'recipe' a while back and although it works in the beginning, subsequent use brings back all of the same symptoms. Read on website 'Stop the Thyroid Madness' and see all the alternative natural desicated thyroid prescriptions that work. They list the ingredients and what people prefer. Just good luck on getting the doctors to listen to you when you bring up something other than Armour--if they are even open to that."
[YEA] 10/06/2008: Neelam from Los Angeles, CA USA: "hyperthyroidism: i was devastated when i heard i got grave's disease. After that doctor told me about my different options of treatment. one of them was radioactive iodine. i didn't want any radioactive treatment in me. so i read about bugleweed. i already started to have tachycardia. but after 4 days of this combination of tx. i feel today i am back to myself. give your body some time to heal yourself. they don't work immediately. go for homeopathic. i consulted different homeopathic. homeopathy can eradicate your disease forever, but it takes time."
EC: Neelam, can you please send us more information about what you took exactly? Was it bugleweed tea or homeopathic remedies containing bugleweed? Thanks!
Information about bugleweed here: http://earthnotes.tripod.com/bugleweed.htm
04/02/2011: Rachel from Regina, Sk, Canada replies: "Hi Neelam and EC, I agree with you: they don't have to take out your thyroid, or irradiate you. That is just silly. I mean unless you have an excessively serious form of it. Removing the thyroid to treat Graves' disease is like punishing the victim. Graves' is a disease where the immune system is working too hard, not an issue with the thyroid, really.
I was diagnosed with Graves' in Mar. 09 and was off work from then until Apr. '10 with hyperthyroid symptoms and adrenal fatigue symptoms. I am way way better now, thank God!
Adrenasense is a remedy that supports the adrenals. I take 4 capsules a day: 2 in the morning, and 2 at lunch. This has been a lifeline remedy for me! When I was off work there, for some of the time I could only stay awake one hour and then had to sleep 2 or 3 hours to get my energy back. When I started to take Adrenasense, I was gradually able to do more and more. When I went off it, my energy level went very low. I remember one day after I had run out a week before, it took me 1/2 and hour to walk very slowly across the park to the library becuase I had to stop and rest on 2 park benches and take a nap at a table in the library. That walk usually takes about 5 minutes. It took 2 weeks to get my previous energy back when I started back on the Adrenasense.
Also, a special diet from my naturopath helped immensely: no wheat, dairy, sugar, refined or processed things. Brown rice, freshly cooked veggies and meats. Organic as much as possible. No fruit for the first 2 weeks and then just a few, b/c of the sugar. I felt sooo good on this. I went off it, to go to my cousin's wedding and will get back on later I hope!
I took Tapazole for a long time, and a beta blocker for my heart, which I was very very happy to get off of. I work half time now, and am just tweaking my intake of remedies. I take a motherwort tincture, which you can get, straight, from Wild Woman Herbals, or other companies. And another one from Genestra Brands, Motherwort Combination #3, which my Naturopath had recommended. These helped me a lot! I'm going to try EVCO now, because it sounds promising!
I was on Tapazole for 2 years, down to 1 pill a day from the initial 4, but then stopped it to see how I would do, in January. My levels went up above normal again, even on the motherwort. But not very far up and the only symptom I had was a bit of anxiety. Then I restarted the Tapazole and for some reason started getting palpitations, pain in my thyroid, and a sad, discouraged feeling, which I think is my thyroid reacting to being suppressed. Anyway, I told my doctor about the heart and pain issues and so now I'll stop the Tapazole for a bit, at least, and try the coconut oil and other things.
Now I want to try meditation, really, truly. Before I did it sort of, but now that I am off Tapazole again, I see this is a great opportunity to try connecting with my thyroid and becoming one with it, seeing things from its perspective and then encouraging it to make less hormone, and to feel safe in my body. I do this, connecting to God, asking for God's guidance, and other healing guides. If you want to know how to get into that, you can write to me. My Dad's meditation manual, The Prayer of Silence, will be published in a couple of months, if you want to look at that, too. He discusses basic silence, and advanced inner work in the silence, and how he used meditation to heal his broken back and heal himself from encephalitis, with God's help and also Jesus' inner guidance.
These are some things I suggest. Best wishes!
Oh, have any of you tried THYROSOOTHE? It is a remedy made by a company... It is 37$ on sale! Plus 10 bucks shipping. Is it worth it? The Genestra motherwort combo 3 that I've been taking is only 16$. Can anyone give feedback re. Thyrosoothe? Thank you! Rachel"
10/17/2011: Scorpioempress from Ridgecrest, Ca, Usa: "I am a long time Earth Clinic reader. I started taking Lugol's because my thyroid meds weren't really working, because I was suffering from Candida, and a few other reasons. I have been able to stop my thyroid meds--yay--, but I have noticed that with 2 drops of 2% lugols that I still have thyroid pain.
I need clear dosing instructions. I thought that 2 drops was the maximum, but am reading that you can take as many as 30???? I am tired, cannot produce enough breast milk, and have thyroid pain, to name a few low thyroid symtoms. 2 drops is better than nothing, so can I take more?"Replies
10/17/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Hi Scorpioempress, I also have read that taking two drops will replenish our supplies but it takes at least a year at this dose plus it was the 5% not the 2% one. Which would mean that you are taking under half the dose. Usually whenever Lugol's iodine is referred to without a percentage it is the 5% one. I don't believe there is one size fits all dose as we come in different sizes and also some of us have been deficient for longer etc. Increasing the dose slowly is what we are doing, we are now at 4 drops (2%) twice a day. As we are seeing some benefits now we will stay at this dose for the time being. You could add a second dose making it 2 drops (2%) twice a day for a week or two then if you still have no detox reactions add another drop.
To increase your milk supply try fenugreek it is amazing. You can buy the seeds and soak them overnight or just buy the capsules which is much easier and works. All the best."
10/17/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia replies: "In addition to iodine you need to take the companion nutrients as well. The attached link sets out what you need to take with the iodine.
Bill from Philippines on Earthclinic has some great info for the thyroid.
10/17/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia replies: "Maria, since I have started on iodine, I have been having the most amazing dreams... They seem to be very long and very detailed. Are you finding the same thing?"
10/18/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "No Debbie I haven't but my hubby has started to have some dreams and can remember them, he has never had dreams as an adult. Interesting that Australian soils are deficient in iodine and selenium."
10/18/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia replies: "Hi Maria, yes it is interesting re the soils. I read that Gippsland is particularly deficient in them so you are on the right track!
Yes the dreams are amazing, colourful and the storylines amazing. Interesting your husband is also experiencing it. I also found by adding the brazil nuts every day (around 2 nuts) the dreams really started.. I should write them down. Vitamin C before bed does make you dream more as well, but nothing as in depth as I am having now. They seem to go on forever.
Have you had any detox symptoms? I had a few days of headaches and waking up with a metallic taste in my mouth, so I needed to back off a bit and have the salt treatment. But happy because it means it is working."
10/21/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Hi Debbie, No there have been no detox symptoms partly because we did start slowly with only one drop a day of 2% but also I have now been treating my liver with an ayurvedic product and herbs for two years. I also take magnesium, selenium, vit c & vit d (sunshine exposure)."
11/29/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Hi Debbie, Well I finally have had some dreams. Hardly remember anything from them though.
Have not been well and have had hardly any iodine then started back again on the 4 drops 2% twice a day and the next day went to 3 x a day (= 12 drops) and got the symptoms of a cold, headache and legs starting to swell. Stayed off the iodine (and gave my liver some support) till they went, which was about 4 days for the legs. I guess I have now had some detox reactions. Next time I will start low again after a break.
How is your son going with his speech? I don't know if anyone has suggested signing to you but thought I would mention it."
12/02/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Hi Debbie, Further to my post to you earlier in the week (re iodine & my dream update) my husband reminded me that his cold feet returned and now that we are back on the iodine his feet are normal again."
03/12/2011: Bonj from Lock, Il: "Hi being treated for reverse T 3 with bioidentical my body gets headaces and feels lousy on it. What can I do to fix this? Is there any danger or side effects with the iodine? My body is so sensitive to some things. Thanks so much. B"
01/14/2011: Momof2 from Lancaster, Ca, Usa: "Hello everyone, I am new here and I have come to this site for almost everything.. I have a question regarding my mother.. She has a thyroid disease she say the name of her condition is MDS syndrome and currently taking synthroid I suggested her to taking iodine therapy but taking idoral, but I researched and it says iodine is not to be taking with synthroids? please help any advice pr suggestion is greatly appreciated."
01/07/2011: Organic Health from New York, New York, Usa: "Organic Health from New York, New York. Happy New year to all! @Ted From Bangkok, Thailand
Is it Safe to use Lugol's for HYPERthroidism? if so what is the dosage and how is it administered?
My mother has it and currently takes the following supliments:
Also her face is a Lil puffy and her hands. I read somewhere on here where someone said that was also a condition. I've read so many post about hyperthyroidism I'm getting confused. Some say it works but only temporarily and should not be used unless it for Pre-Op surgery to remove the thyroid. Then there is the post under Thyroid remedies quoted here: "04/18/2008: Jan from Buffalo, NY writes: "Lugol's cure for Hyperthyroidism. 2 years ago I went to the doctor for fast pulse rate. Resting it was 105 to 110 bpm. He sent me to an endocrinologist who recommended the radioactive pill approach to killing the thyroid. I asked him about Iodine. He was very specific about how dangerous it would be to treat it with Iodine. I went home and ordered a bottle of Lugol's from the internet and three days later having taken doses for 3 days, my pulse rate was below 75 and the swollen throat had subsided. "
I Googled Lugol's cure for hyperthyroidism and only got links to that post. Nothing showing what the Lugol's cure is dosage wise and how to administer it. There is one post about using POTASSIUM IODIDE and they are asking what I'm asking. Any help would be appreciated and THANKS in advance from the thousands of HYPERthyroidsim sufferers who search this site in need of help."
12/19/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines: "In my studies on problems with the thyroid on the internet I came across an interesting discovery by The Iodine Project, which is an independent foundation whose only purpose is to research and update the benefits of iodine on the human body.
Their newest piece of research indicates that there is more to the reasons for thyroid problems than just being low on daily iodine intake, with flouride or bromide as the causative factors.
What Dr Abraham and his team have found out from the Iodine Project is that significant thyroid problems can also arise from poor absorbtion and poor transport of iodine throughout the human body. As a remedy, they conclude that large dose Vitamin C, when taken with Iodine supplementation(Lugol's Iodine or Iodoral), greatly enhances iodine absorbtion in the intestine and greatly increases the transport efficiency of iodine throughout the human body. Their research also indicates that taking Lugol's and Vitamin C in this manner for about 6 months resets and completely heals the absorbtion pathway and transport mechanisms back to normal.
Here is the detailed research by the iodine project on the efficacy of using Vitamin C together with Lugol's Iodine:
The way I have always taken lugol's is with 1000-3000 mgms Ascorbic Acid powder dissolved in a glass of water, with two drops(12. 5 mgs) of 5% lugol's iodine solution added to it. Then I add 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of Sodium Bicarbonate to convert the Ascorbic Acid to Ascorbate and add a little extra sodium bicarbonate to make the mixture more alkaline(increases the ORP factor beneficially). Taking iodine this way also eliminates the iodine taste and has the added benefit of converting some of the Vitamin C to Dehydroascorbic acid. This chemical has exactly the same benefits and properties as Ascorbic acid except Dehydroascorbic acid is able to penetrate the blood/brain barrier whereas ascorbic cannot penetrate this barrier unless it is combined with your body's glutathione -- a very precious and otherwise useful bodily antioxidant.
Also worth mentioning is that Ted from Bangkok has always advocated taking lugol's with Vitamin C in this manner.
Another added and enhancing idea if you take the Iodine with Vit C for thyroid problems is to also take Magnesium(500mgs/day of Mag Chloride, Mag Citrate or Mag Gluconate) and Selenium(200microgms/day) supplements as well. Magnesium is used as a co-enzyme that helps to store iodide as iodine in the thyroid gland(low Magnesium also reduces the T4 count) and research indicates that selenium is essential for converting T4 into the more active T3 hormone as well as in helping to regenerate the Vitamin C."
12/20/2010: Hope from Sacramento, California replies: "Hi Bill -
Is it recommended to take the Lugol's/C solution on an empty stomach or is it ok with food?
If it needs to be taken on an empty stomach, how long should one wait before eating?
Since I have been taking 100mg of iodine sski with some k12 every day for over a year, would I be wise to to just take as much as 8 drops of Lugols 5% with the Vit C etc?
I appreciate your link to the article from the Iodine Project!"
12/21/2010: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines replies: "Hi Hope... In answer to your questions.
Is it recommended to take the Lugol's/C solution on an empty stomach or is it ok with food?
If it needs to be taken on an empty stomach, how long should one wait before eating?
I usualy always take lugols either one hour before or two hours after meals. I always take iodine outside mealtimes. This is also to ensure maximum absorbtion of iodine from the intestines into the blood. When you take supplements with food, approximately 1/3 is lost through excretion.
Since I have been taking 100mg of iodine sski with some k12 every day for over a year, would I be wise to to just take as much as 8 drops of Lugols 5% with the Vit C etc?
I myself have experimented and taken 100mgs of lugol's iodine with no ill effects. For serious auto-immune problems like fibrocystic breast problems or uterine fibroids or cancer, amounts above 150mgs per day have been used by The Iodine Project. The problem here is that lugol's iodine's valid reputation has been so successfully trashed by the drugs and medical fraternity, so they can push there own expensive and relatively useless patented remedies instead for profit. This is why, through the propaganda, everyone suffers from "iodophobia", despite lugol's iodine's past and long use in much larger amounts (by the older doctors) than the FDA recmmends now. With the opposition destroyed and gone, the field is clear for the drugs cartels to do this. In the old days, iodine was more or less tried, tested and used -- quite successfully -- as an antibiotic and antiseptic as well as being as being used as a regular cure for thyroid and asthma problems.
Also bear in mind that the many organs and areas of the human body absorb the iodide/iodine in three different ways. Either they only absorb the iodide form or they can only absorb the iodine form or they can absorb both the iodine or iodine forms. From the Iodine Project's research it was discovered that only the iodine form is absorbed in women by the breasts and the uterus -- and in men only the iodine form is absorbed and will be beneficial to the prostate gland. Therefore depending on your reasons for taking SSKI -- which is a Saturated Solution of Potassium Iodide((KI) -- if you are taking SSKI for breast, uterus or prostate problems then it will have little beneficial effect. This is why I would always prefer taking Lugol's Iodine which contains 5% iodine and 10% potassium iodide in water. In other words -- everything is covered if you take Lugol's Iodine."
09/29/2010: Shiloh from Escondido, Ca, California: "Hello Earth Clinic, what a wonderful, informitive site this is. I love it. I found this website about 5 months ago and have been on reading everyday. This is the first time I have done a post, and I am in much need of some help.
My husband was told by our Dr. That his thyroid was not working (hypothyroid). I don't know the blood level, but the Dr. Put him on 4.05 (50 mcg) of Levodthyroid. He went back for a second test in June and it showed no improvement, his blood count was still at 5.24, so the medicine was increased to 75. At this time I asked him to try the iodine instead. My husband is 58 yrs, 6'1, and weighs 270 lbs. I bought some Iodine at the health food store, and it was recommended by the employee she said she used it and it was great. The bottle said "Ionic Minerals" liquid concentrate, it said use two or more drops a day. I had my husband take 3 drops 2 times a day. He also took four kelp tabs and two vit. C."
09/29/2010: Shiloh from Escondido, California: "Hi to everyone at Earth Clinic, I found this web site about four months ago and I love it. I am in need of some opinions. My husband was told that his thyroid wasn't working and the Dr. put him on Levothyroxine, 50 mcg. He went back for a second check and his thyroid was still a 5.24. So the Dr. wanted to up the medicine to 75.
At this time I asked my husband to try the iodine instead. I bought some at the health food store. The label said "Ionic Minerals" liquid concentrate. My husand is 58 yrs, 6'1'and 270lbs. I put him on 3 drops twice a day. Plus four kelp tabs, and 2 vit. C. Well after a month he went back for his third check and his blood level went from the 5.24 to 8.49- needless to say I think I screwed up. The Dr. insists on him coming in to see him because of the dramatic spike, I guesss I will go with him, get a butt chewing and then find out where I went wrong. Does any one have any ideas for me? I do believe I am on the right track, either his thyroid was really out of whack so that the iodine wouldn't have helped, or that 30 days was not long enough for the iodine to work, or I wasn't giving him enough for his size. At any rate some of your ideas would be helpful before I have to face the fiddler."Replies
09/30/2010: Eve K from Houston, Texas replies: "Shiloh from Escondido,
First, the medication your husband is prescribed is actually very safe and there are no side effects. He should ask his doctor for antibody testing and separate T3/T4 tests also, not just TSH, which may offer more insight into what is causing his disorder. Also, he may want to have thyroid function (tests for iodine uptake) or a scan of the thyroid. There are a number of good books about thyroid issues--check your library--many of them address alternative therapies. I am much smaller than your husband and I was on 100 mcg per day until I was able to discontinue (about 2 years). Now, for the iodine. First, you need "Lugol's" or Iodoral tablets (I got mine on Amazon). The tablets are 12. 5 mg each. I started with 50 mg (divided between am and pm) and now I take 25 mg (one tablet am and pm). Second, eliminate soy--read labels because it is in everything! Soybean oil, soy protein, etc. Third, avoid broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage--for now. He will be able to work these back into his diet later. Finally, fluoride detox! This is most important. The protocol is discussed more thoroughly in other posts on this site but basically, 1/4 tsp of borax (20 Mule Team from the laundry section of the store) in 1 liter of non-fluoridated water. Drink and cook with only non-fluoridated water. Avoid chlorine as much as possible also--this includes swimming pools and hot tubs. There are shower filters available if your water is highly fluoridated. My TSH was borderline high (2. 5) but I had antibodies. The Rx eliminated the antibodies and got my TSH to 1. 0 and I have maintained that number using the above remedy. I went off the medication with the approval and supervision of my doctor and have continued to monitor my thyroid levels to make sure everything is still working properly. Good luck to you! "
09/30/2010: Shiloh from Escondido, California replies: "To Eve K from Houston, Tx. Thanks so much for your quick reply, I will start doing all the things you mentioned. Could you please tell me what you meant by having his antibodies checked? We are going to the Drs. Tues 5th of Oct. And I want to be prepared."
10/01/2010: Eve K from Houston, Tx replies: "Your doctor should know but there are two tests for thyroid antibodies: anti-TPO and TgAb. The first antibody, anti-TPO, attacks an enzyme normally found in your thyroid gland, called the Thyroid Peroxidase, which is important in the production of thyroid hormones. The second antibody, TgAb, attacks the key protein in the thyroid gland, the thyroglobulin, which is essential in the production of the T4 and T3 thyroid hormones. It is common for a doctor to only do ONE test, and you need BOTH tests, since you can be normal in one and high in another. There are a lot of good websites about thyroid disorders."
01/22/2010: Gr from London, Uk: "Thyroid Peroxidase Antibody
I recently did the blood test for thyroid and my Thyroid Peroxidase Antibody count is 869 which is very high. The normal count is 0-60... I have not been to my GP yet to discuss this but what does it mean...I have already started taking Lugol's iodine solution... will this help? Apart from this I have Beta thalassaemi trait and also suffer from Iron-deficiency anaemia... I have palpitations & breathlessness... I am really very scared... please please help.... Thank you..."Replies
06/17/2010: Pray from Ab Canada replies: "To Gr:
Have you tried reading about hookworms & Iron deficiency anemia?
Google this & I hope you find some answers.
09/23/2010: Edit from Houston, Texas replies: "Hello, See the doctor and make him conduct a tsh test. It's a simple blood test to measure health of your thyroid. Don't be afraid. I think I have the same problem, Uninsured and am going to try sea salt to help. I still will see the doctor. Thyroid can be back to normal. It's just our society that spoils us with fast living and hardly eating right. Rest well, eat the five food groups and exercise. You will recover. God bless."
09/28/2010: Tom from Regina, Sk replies: "According to this site, and many others just using a Search, that much-ballyhooed Thyroid Panel test in use only since the 1970's is less than useless in a large number of cases.
The "normal" parameters were set up using only 200 peoples' test results! http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/tsh-why-its-useless/
WHAT IS PATIENT EXPERIENCE WITH THE TSH LAB? It's lousy. First, there is a huge body of hypothyroid patients who have a so-called "normal" TSH lab... Along with classic or raging hypothyroid symptoms. And because doctors have become lab-obsessed rather than giving credence to clinical presentation, patients remain undiagnosed for years before the number rises high enough to reveal the condition. Site has a very good overall step route for determining where in the H-P-T or H-P-A hormone axis one's problems lie.
One's problem may not be in the thyroid at all, nor its hormones, but in for instance the adrenals, suffering from long-term stress leading to failure:
H= Hypothalamus endocrine gland
P= Pituitary endocrine gland
A= Adrenal glands (2)
This "7 Steps to Adrenal Failure" is novel! :
09/29/2010: Connie from Slc, Ut replies: "Hello Y'all, Wow Tom, you are an "intellectual quarterback" in this field, and I'm in the audience thinking, Wow man... Cool. Thank You. My case may be one example of these topics you have posted. For instance, my TSH was never higher than 4. 5, but would dip to. 3 with no medication. My free T3 would remain low or subnormal. I had to persuade the Internist and Endocrinologist to test the T3. It was determined along with other tests, ( ACTH, cortisol, DHEA, etc. ), that I had low functioning pituitary and adrenals. Hormones are similar to electrolytes in that they shift and change quickly, and are difficult to measure. Testing sensitivity needs improvement. More attention is needed for discussion of symptoms. I am going to bring up another instance that applies to this need. I am the middle child of three. Tragically, my elder brother, (age 13), and my younger sister, (age 41), experienced sudden death. Autopsy report: no known etiology (cause), ventricular fibrillation in both cases. We all had similar but varying degrees of symptoms, my brother's being the most aggressive, mine second, my sister's, the mildest. Before my brother's death, (1968), he had many episodes of fainting, whereby he had to be resuscitated by EMTs for survival. V. Fib. Was detected in blood tests. I would faint, wake up, walk away. My sister did not faint. We all had anxiety and palpitations, among other shared symptoms. I don't at all blame the medical community for not determining our conditions, difficult to test, difficult to analyze symptoms. But, I do see a strong need for improvement in the aforementioned, and, respect for the patient. My case was "written off" by some doctors and practitioners; and it was strongly implied that my survival was a case of random chance. That may be, but, I will not rely on random chance to save me. The only difference I can determine in my case of survival here, is that I have practiced good nutrition as best I could, from a very young age. That's the bright news of this. Thank You, Connie"