09/03/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "You might also want to take Vit-K and bioflavanoids internally, too, because what is happening to your face is also happening internally. I had broken capillaries on my face, too, and although I was taking 3,000mg of Vit-C daily, I saw no improvement until I added a lemon/orange peel concoction I made, but the real improvement came when I added a Vit-K supplement to my regime. Bye-bye broken capillaries! Bioflavanoids and Vit-K are also important for healthy bones and periodontal ligaments. The recipe for the Bioflavanoid Brew is as follows:

-3 or 4 organic oranges or a mix of organic oranges and lemons to equal the amount of oranges in the recipe (it is important that they be organic because you are using the peels)
-1 tablespoon sea salt or pink salt
-1/4 cup whey (not whey powder...drain a quart of plain whole-milk yogurt with active cultures to obtain whey for this recipe)
-1/2 cup filtered water or other kind of non-chlorinated water
-1/4 cup of dried sugarcane juice or honey

Proceedure: cut the fruit into quarters the long way and then cut the quarters into very thin slices the short way (a food processor works great for this...use the thinest slicing blade you have)
-Place sliced fruit into a widemouth quart canning jar and press down lightly with a wooden spoon or some other sort of non-reactive implement.
-Combine the rest of the ingredients well and pour over the fruit in the jar. The fruit/liquid needs to be at least one inch below the top of the jar.
-Cover tightly and keep at room tempurature for 3 days before transfering to the refrigerator. You read that right...this is a fermented product and needs to sit at room tempurature so that the lactic acid bacteria in the whey can grow and preserve the product*

Eat about a tablespoon full per day. I fish it out of the liquid with a fork. It has a unique flavor...bitter but still kind of sweet/sour/ salty. It is something of an aquiried taste, but it works wonders and is much cheaper and more effective than bioflavanoid capsules. It also has the benefit of being a live-food/raw-food product and is also very good for the digestion because of the lacto-bacteria from the whey.

*If the product developes a little bit of white mold, just remove the mold with the tip of a spoon.

p.s. I don't remember where I got this recipe, but I would like to give my sincere thanks to whoever invented it...hats off to you, whoever you are!"

09/06/2009: Tricia from Ireland replies: "Kathy, this sounds like good advice and I would like to try your recipe. I'm pretty new to all this so could you explain exactly how to make your whey e.g Is this just the liquis that forms in natural yoghurt and also is sugarcane juice the same as blackstrap molasses. Sorry if I sound stupid. Also, when I was looking for vitamin k supplements all I could find was vit K2. Is this the right vitamin? Thank you."

09/06/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "To obtain whey with active cultures, just buy a quart of plain, old-fashioned regular-fat yogurt with active cultures. Line a strainer with a coffee filter or paper towel or a very clean hankerchiet set it over a catch basin of some kind, like a bowl or small non-reactive pot, and fill the coffee filter-lined strainer with the yogurt. Cover the whole rig with plastic wrap and set it in the 'fridge for several hours or over-night. The whey will drain from the yogurt and collect in the catch basin. That yellowish liquid that is in the catch basin in the morning is your whey. A quart of yogurt will yield about a pint of whey, and the whey will keep for a very long time. The strained yogurt is wonderful with fruit.

Dried sugar-cane juice is not the same as molasses, but you could probably use molasses, although the taste of the finished bioflavanoid brew would be very different. I cannot give you another name for the dried cane juice because it is a brand-name, but if you put "dried sugar cane juice" into a search engine, it might give it to you. You could also use honey, but if you do use less, because honey is very sweet. I like your idea of using Black Strap Molasses, though. I thing I will give BSM a whirl the next time I make the recipe.

Kathy

p.s. Yes, Vitamin K-2 is correct.

p.p.s. There is no such thing as a stupid question."

09/08/2009: Gean from Salina, Ks replies: "Hello, I have a question regarding the vitamin K2. There are two different kinds of K2 (that I know of), one, MK-7 from a fermented soy source such as Natto, and MK-4, from animal products such as grass fed butter, fish eggs, egg yolks, etc. They are supposed to work differently. May I ask what is the source of the K2 you use? Thank you very much."

09/08/2009: Gean from Salina, Ks replies: "My question was actually to Kathy from Dubois, Pa. Sorry I wasn't clear."

09/09/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "I looked up Vit K-2 and Vit MK-7 and they appear to be the same thing to me, except that the site I went to claims that MK-7 is more "bioavailable" than regular K-2 and that it is "derived from" natto. My question is: why bother with the extra steps of fermenting soy beans into natto and then "deriving" MK-7 from them? At nearly $40.00 a bottle for MK-7 compared to $9.00 a bottle for plain old K-2, it hardly seems a cost effective way to get Vitamin K, even if it is a little more bioavailable. Or why not just eat natto instead of buying a really expensive derivative? Boy, talk about a "value added" product! Then, too, someone who is very soy-sensative might not do well with a product "derived" from natto.

And just as a side note, be sure to take Vitamin K, in what ever form you choose to use, with some fat, because "K" is a fat-soluable vitamin."

09/15/2009: Gean from Salina, Ks replies: "I would like to know how many mcg of vitamin K2 were taken per day. The recommended dosages of K2 range from 50 mcg to 1000 mcg. Thank you very much."

09/16/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "I usually take one 200 mcg capsule per day, but you have to find your own correct dosage. If you have alot of spider veins, broken capillaries, easy bruising, etc, you might want to start on a higher dosage and then cut back as you get better. Or you might want to start with a small dosage and add more if you don't see any results. One of the ways the drug industry casts a bad light on vitamins and minerals in their studies is to give too small or too high a dosage and then say, "See, vits and mins either don't work or cause harm".

p.s. Vitamin E is a Vitamin K antagonist, and balances the effect of Vitamin K in the body. In other words, Vitamin K promotes blood clotting, Vitamin E inhibits blood clotting. So you have to take your Vitamin E status into account, too, and if you take Vit E, you might want to take it several hours before or after you take the Vit K.

p.p.s. Vitamin and mineral status even varies from day to day. I can tell by how I look and feel that sometimes I might need more Vitamin K or Magnesium or whatever for some reason. I have gotten to know my body and its language pretty well, and am always working to get to know it better and listen to what it is saying to me. Our bodies talk to us all the time, we just have to learn how to listen."

09/16/2009: Gean from Salina, Ks replies: "Thank you very much. Is this 200 mcg of MK-4, or MK-7? It should say on the bottle. I have had easy bruising since childhood."

09/16/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "It just says "Vitamin K-2 (as Menaquinone)", so whether its MK-4 or MK-7, I don't know, but it works for me."

09/16/2009: Gean from Salina, Ks replies: "That answers my question, thank you so much. Menaquinone is MK-7 (natural), as opposed to Menatetrenone or MK-4, which is synthetic. If I may share briefly my experience with this, maybe it will help someone. Yesterday I got the natural MK-7 (menaquinone), and took 200mcg. I felt absolutely awful, horrible food cravings and groggy, unmotivated and semi-confused. Today I took half that amount, 100mcg, along with 1 tsp. high vitamin cod liver oil (I had read that the K-2 and cod oil work well together), and lo and behold, felt more wonderful than I have in a long time, full of energy, motivation, and not hungry for 7 hours after breakfast. Not real hungry then either. Very unusual for me. Obviously the synergy provided the nutrients I needed, whereas the day before it depleted me of nutrients (food cravings). I'll let you know if it helps with the bruising."

09/17/2009: Tricia from Ireland replies: "Just out of curiosity, Kathy, how long have you been using vit k and flavenoids (I should have your recipe ready by Saturday) and what kind of result did you notice? With Ted's remedy for rosacea I noticed a huge difference in the first few days and then it slowed right down. Still working but slow."

09/17/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "I can't be sure exactly how long, but its gotta be about a year now, or maybe a little longer. One thing I noticed when I started using it is that the texture of my skin became finer...by which I mean my pores got smaller, especially in the T-zone...and also firmer. Also, the crepeyness around my eyes went way down. It just seemed to improve the over-all condition of my skin in a big way. But like you said...LOTS of improvement in the very first few days to a week, but then reached a plateau. But that is to be expected, I guess, as I was about 52 when I started using it, and so I am bound to have some damage that it is too late for me to undo. Damn...mortality sure bites, doesn't it?!"

09/17/2009: Kathy from Dubois, Pa replies: "That's wonderful, Gean! Isn't it great when you hit on something that works? And what you write about food cravings being part of the body's language, and finding a combination (synergy) that gives you the nurtients you need, is so very, very true. And it may be a synergy that is unique to you. To me, that is why the idea that a doctor can write a "prescription" is absurd. What helped you may not help somebody else, even though the symptoms are the same, and treating someone STATISTICALLY, like doctors do, guarantees that more and more people are not really helped at all, because all the statistical way of medicine does is suppress symptoms, NOT cure disease. Biochemical individuality is real, and of the utmost importance in the treatment of disease. And yes, do let us know how it goes.

OK, I got off my soap box (for the time being), LOL!"

[YEA]  11/04/2009: Tricia from Ireland replies: "To Ted & Kathy fron Dubois- Thank you. Ted's remedy for rosacea (HP & borax) has taken the permanent red flushing out of my skin.

Thank you Ted.

And Kathy's advice for the spider veins has reduced remaining redness drastically. A friend whom I hadn't seen for a while kept asking me if I was feeling alright cos I'm looking so pale. I still have broken veins and some redness so I know she means paler than normal. For the capillaries I had been taking Vit c 1000mg, Vit k 100mcg. Also using Vit c and K (separate products) skin cream. Then I added the flavenoid recipe and bingo within 2 weeks there was a marked improvement. Between the two regimes I can see freckles that hadn't been noticable for nearly ten years. With basic make-up I can make them disappear altogether. And also my skin has become much firmer.

So thank you too, Kathy. A big yea for your recipe."

12/10/2009: Tanya from Toronto, On replies: "Question to Kathy from Dubois: I am not clear whether I should use whole orange/lemon with skin/peel for your concotion recipe, or skin/peel only? Thanks!"

06/18/2010: Janna from London, Uk replies: "I see that Earth Clinic abridged some of the characters I used when telling about the dosages I'd been taking to the point that it looks confusing to say the least. Nevertheless, let me get my point across: I started with 3000 mg of Vit C and 3000 mg of Lysine and 100 mg of Vit K2 and two table spoons of Kathy's concoction. A bit more than a week into it I increased Vit C to 4000 mg, Lysine to 4000 mg while the rest kept at the same level. The results after two weeks as I said are terrific."

EC: Hi Janna,

We didn't touch your post, but perhaps our database removed some characters unbeknownst to us!

06/18/2010: Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France replies: "Does anyone maybe know whether the same treatment would work for cherry angiomas? After all they also must be broken capilaries, or am I wrong? Just it shows in form of a little drop of blood. I have had them ever since I was pregnant, quite young then and I have had them burnt with laser quite a few times. They seem to be gone for a while but thousands new ones are already forming. Some advice would be very much appreciated! Ps - I also get them on my forehead, not on my face though!"

[YEA]  06/18/2010: Janna from London, Uk replies: "This is my big thanks too to Kathy and Kim from Chicago (who mentioned about Pauling Therapy).

I've had very fragile capillaries all my life and had them treated on my face once with an IPL. It helped for a bit but then they returned. A few years ago I was diagnosed with rosacea on top of this. I tried metronidazol gel but it only worked for so long. It went so bad recently that my face normally pale would have a bloody red nose and redness on the cheeks close to the nose. This striking skin contrast and inability to do anything about it (metro no longed helped) was driving me nuts and prompted me to research this website.

I started taking Vit C, 3000 mg Lysine, 3000 mg Vit K2, 100 mg of Kathy's bioflavanoid concoction. Of course, the huge dosages of Vit C and Lysine were frightening at the beginning. But then I read info on this scientist, Pauling, and the research he had done and that he is actually a Nobel Prize winner for Chemistry as well as for Peace; it made me convinced that such large dosages shouldn't be harmful. In fact he advocates for even larger dosages than these. And so as Kathy and Tricia say the results are dramatic already in the very few days but then they level out somewhat.

After two weeks I see a huge improvement - my capillaries are almost gone (faded or dissolved to the point that they are barely visible) and my face complexion is awesome with just a bit of redness on the nose but none on the adjacent cheeks. I can see that the pores are shrinking too (these two weeks I have also been drinking non-pasteurized ACV and putting it on my face before moisturizer at bed time) but this may partially be the effect of ACV. In the last five days I increased the dosages of Vit C and Lysine to 4000 mg 4000 mg as I saw enough evidence that it was working right and plan to stay there for the time being. So once again my big thanks to Kathy and Kim from Chicago for sharing their knowledge and thoughts with us."

04/16/2011: Moll from Kerry, Ireland replies: "Hi, Just wondering what brand vitamin k cream is best to use on top of a vit c cream, many thanks."

06/24/2011: Steve from New York, Ny, Usa replies: "Kathy,

For your lemon/orange peel concoction, do you also eat the orange peel or just drink the liquid?"

08/09/2011: Kr from Ny replies: "Kathy -I have prepared the bioflavonoid brew and have a few questions. Do you eat just the oranges and leave the liquid behind? Also do you eat the peels?

Thanks!"

08/12/2011: Leily D. from New Bedford, Ma replies: "I'm going out to buy all the necessary ingredients for Kathy's protocol. I haven't been this excited/hopeful is a long time. I've had facial flushing for 15 years and nothing has helped. Now I'm left with broken capillaries. A nutritionist (who I was hoping would help me) told me today there is no way of helping those capillaries that are already damaged, but that I could prevent further damage with Vit C and bioflavinoids. I'm hoping now that he's only half right. Kathy, do you also have a skin care regime you follow? Did this protocol actually heal your broken vessels? Thanks so very much. I will report back."

[SIDE EFFECTS]  08/15/2011: Leily D. from New Bedford, Ma replies: "I've been taking 4000mg of Vit C and Lysine for the past 3 days and have noticed increase facial flushing. Did anyone else experience this? Any thoughts? Thanks! "

01/04/2012: Lou Lou from Berlin, Germany replies: "Hi, for the Bioflavinoid recipe, someone posed two questions that I have too.. Do you eat just the oranges and leave the liquid behind? Also do you liquidise the peels as part of the mixture? Thanks"

01/29/2012: Fuzzball from Nanuet, Ny, Usa replies: "Only take 1000mgs of Vit C and 1000mgs of Lysine at one time. Divide the doses over the day and the flushing should subside."

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