Traditional Chinese Medicine Remedies at Home!

| Modified on Jan 18, 2014

Ho Shou Wu
Posted by Sara (Ca, Usa) on 01/17/2014

Happy Friday Everyone! I am just wondering if taking Ho Shou Wu is harmful or helpful. Thanks and Gold bless. Sara

Posted by Tara (West Point, Virginia) on 09/14/2013
5 out of 5 stars

Schisandra : In chinese medicine it's called Wuweizi (Five-Flavored Seed). This is because it's bark and flesh are mixtures of sweet, sour and salty flavors and its kernel tastes pungent, bitter and salty hence five flavors in one herb. It is used for asthma and cough, excessive perspiration, night sweats, diarrhea, seminal emission and vaginal bleeding.

I was having a very heavy period and as soon as I had a cup of tea the bleeding was minimal. You can purchase instant schisandra online as a tea to drink. Many women use this tea in China for menopause and PMS.

Chinese Herbs
Posted by Loraine (Orlando, Fl) on 04/18/2013

Hey Lisa/Bill....I'm curious to know what is your take on herbs like Rehmannia/cordyceps/schizandra. I have adrenal/thyroid issues that does not seem to respond to anything I use. I recently learned about these and am anxious to try them but I figured why not run them by EC before I do. I trust you guys that much. Lol. Help please!!!

Pai-Da and La-Jin
Posted by Louwrence (Rustenburg, North West, South Africa) on 04/09/2013

Hi Maureen, Thanks a lot for the info on the pdf on paida & lajin because I tried to order one from ebay & they were sold out & in any case it would have taken a month + to get here & at least it makes a couple of things clearer. Much obliged.

Pai-Da and La-Jin
Posted by Maureen (Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada) on 04/07/2013

Hi Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa. Thank you for trying and posting about Paida and Lajin. I expect more people will try it soon as it is an amazing free self healing technique. Hopefully you will post about your experience after practicing it for a while. Here is a very informative 10 page PDF article that you can download for free, I found it just a few days ago. I think you will like it. La-Jin & Pai-Da Self-Healing Techniques.pdf


Pai-Da and La-Jin
Posted by Louwrence (Rustenburg, North West, South Africa) on 04/06/2013

Hi Maureen, Thank you for your info on paida & lajin. I have started doing it. Anybody & everybody who is serious about wanting to get well should try it, it just takes effort & dedication & does not cost anything. A lot of people on this website are looking for cures & you do not need all the fancy sugestions to get cured, paida & lajin is the solution. Once again thanks.

Pai-Da and La-Jin
Posted by Maureen (Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada) on 04/03/2013

Update to my original submission. It is now 6 weeks since I first posted about Pai-da (pat/slap) and La-jin (stretch tendons). I have continued to practice Lajin daily for 20 minutes on each leg. I have done Paida whenever my hands can take it as they get sore. The more Paida I do the easier the stretch gets.

Now as soon as I stretch I often (not always) get a mad itch in my joints (elbows and knees). It radiates out a little on each side. The itch lasts less than a minute but feels like a lot longer because I can not scratch it! This seems to me like a good sign of improved circulation. For the most part, the first 15 -18 minutes I just feel the pull of the stretch (no real pain). Then the last 2-5 minutes it either gets very uncomfortable or I just continue to feel the stretch. My feet and part of my calves always feel like lead weights and full of pins and needles by the end of the stretch. My arms still hurt a lot while getting out of the stretch but It is a much quicker recovery time.

Hongchi Xiao is a man on a mission to bring this simple to do Paida and Lajin method to everyone. He says that as babies and toddlers we are very flexible, as we age, we begin to stiffen-up. Then as we get older we stiffen-up more, then the ultimate stiffness is when we die! So his goal is to keep people flexible into old age. Blood clots (my interpretation) build up in our meridians and cause stiffness. Paida breaks up the blood clots (Sha) which results in better meridian flow and the body being more flexible when we stretch.


Pai-Da and La-Jin
Posted by Maureen (Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada) on 01/24/2013

I think all the regulars on Earth Clinic will be very interested the following videos. They are about two self healing methods that if practiced long enough will eventually mean most people will not need medication. It is Classical Chinese Medicine (CCM) which has been forgotten about even by Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) practitioners. Hongchi Xiao is a man on a mission to bring this simple to do Pai-da and La-jin method to the everyone. Pai-da is to slap and La-Jin is to stretch tendons.

I started practicing Pai-da and La-jin on Nov 23/12. I started with 20 minutes on each leg. You are supposed to work your way up to that time but I decided not to. It has been excruciatingly painful for me but that is mainly because I do have circulation problems in my legs. I would think others would not suffer like that. I was surprised to suffer so much in my arms and shoulders though. It is called Frozen Shoulder from what I saw on various videos. The first two weeks I mostly stretched with a little slapping. Then I started slapping where it hurt most and got relief once I got bruises (Sha). When I started I was okay with bearable pain for the first 8 minutes. The next 12 minutes I was moaning and groaning out loud and tears in my eyes! Now I can last 15 minutes without too much discomfort then the last 5 minutes it kicks in with the extreme pain (not excruciating pain).

My hands are sore from slapping so I can not slap as much as I need to. I have to take a break in between. The slapping is NOT hard it just hurts my hands after a while. It may not affect others the same way especially men.

The first video is a good explanation of how it was re-discovered and how to do it. It is 28 minutes long. The second one is two parts and it is doing a demonstration with lots of people in the audience. I have watched lots of his videos on YouTube and Vimeo. There are a lot of Chinese sessions mixed in so you have to look for the English ones.

So here are the links to some of them. The first video (28mins.) is an introduction to self healing.

The second and third videos are sessions he does with an audience and people try the stretching and slapping.
Part 1
Part 2

I hope the links work. If not then copy and paste them into YouTube...... Maureen

Chinese Herbs
Posted by Sunrose (Altadena, Ca) on 12/02/2012

I use 1 cup berry to 1 gallon water. I was told to bring to a boil then simmer for at least 40 minutes. not sure on the others.

Chinese Herbs
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 12/01/2012

Hi Sara, Schizandra is a very unique berry, highly prized in Chinese medicine for its adaptogenic qualities. It is a potent general tonic, decreasing fatigue, enhancing physical performance and promoting endurance. It's also known for improving concentration, coordination and preventing mental fatigue. You can eat a couple of berries a day for its benefits. You could just soak them in water and drink the water and eat the fruit or you could also make tea from them. My husband and I take a goji and schizandra tincture daily. So you could also make a tea with both of them together.

One thing about Chinese herbs is that they will often put them in food to raise the overall health value of the food. You could add the radix astragali in soups which is what I do when we make chicken soup. There's actually a "kit" of adaptogen herbs we used to always get in Chinatown which we would add to our soup.

Anyway, hope this helps. Enjoy your Chinese herbs! Lisa

Chinese Herbs
Posted by Sara (Sacramento, Ca) on 12/01/2012

Dear Friends, I bought some Shazindra, Goji Berrry and Radix Astragali from a local Chinese store today. I know how to take Goji berry, but I do not know how to take Schazindra and Astragali. Do I need to soak the Schazindra in the water over night or boil it in the water to make tea out of it? I will appreciate if you guys share your knowledge or experince here with me. Thanks, Sara

Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 11/04/2012

Hi Sara, I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. I thought it had some valuable information and it is what I am adhering to these days. I have found the Chinese herbs to be so effective. The tonic I take is called 8 Immortals and is quite powerful. It has wild Chinese ginseng, wild American ginseng, duanwood reishi, wild mountain reishi, pure cordyceps, wild Tibetan rhodiola, wild schizandra, goji, wild snow lotus and ho shou wu. As you can see it contains many adaptogens and builds strength and all three treasures- jing, qi and shen.

I recently also added a goji and schizandra tonic with this because the benefits of these two fruits are amazing. I am seeing my skin really change. I have stopped taking all other supplements except betaine with my meals lypospheric vitamin c and shilajit. I don't think I've ever seen the results I'm having with other supplements. Here's to health! Lisa

Posted by Sara (Sacramento, Ca) on 11/04/2012

Thank you so much for sharing this video. I am glad your health is getting better. Can I ask you what tonic herb are you taking for your health? I know it is a combination of so many herbs. You may live long and thrive.

Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 11/03/2012

Hi Everyone, I know a few of you have expressed an interest in Chinese herbs. Also, that you would like to learn more. I just received this video of Ron Teeguarden a master Chinese herbalist speaking on what determines how fast we age.

I am finding my health becoming stronger, my energy even and calm and my mind clearer from taking Chinese tonic herbs. They build the body and the adaptogens work in both directions and regulate the body to find its homeostasis. It has been just over 6 months in which I have been taking them on a regular daily basis and it is amazing! I found it very interesting and I hope you do too. Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 10/22/2012

Hi Sue, I'm so sorry to hear about the stressful situation with your mom. I am happy to hear that you felt the positive results from the 8 Immortals. I am loving that combination. We went to the Dragon Herbs tonic bar this afternoon and it was amazing. I had my pulses and tongue checked and was told I should take the goji/ schizandra formula so I got that. We also had amazing samples and a delicious invigorating tonic drink. Really great people show up there too so there's stimulating conversation to partake in as well. I thought of you as I looked at all the books they had on display. I just know you would love the energy there. Anyway, you are in my thoughts and sending you positive energy! Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Bess (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) on 10/21/2012

Taffy - While I can understand your concern about commercialism on Web sites, the knowledge Lisa provides is incredibly beneficial. Just absorb the information - do with it what you will. You don't have to buy anyone's supplements or products. I get alternative medicine newsletters all the time. Sometimes I buy the product - most times I don't because I prefer buying local but I buy as an informed consumer because I read up on it. As for asking Lisa to do some research and supply Web sites that are either non-commercial or that offer cheaper alternatives, well, that's the wonder of Google. Do an internet search and find out what product is best for you (always remember quality costs more). I doubt very much that you will find any Web site that isn't selling something. Good luck!

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 10/21/2012

Hi Taffy, I understand your concern and thank you for pointing that out. The sites though are loaded with very valuable information and my thought is, no one has to buy anything. If they feel the information is of value and they see a product is of value, they certainly have the freedom to do their own research and find items elsewhere. I know I do that all the time although with the Chinese herbs, I know these are the finest quality so don't bother since I've tried in the past. Quite honestly, the herbs of this value are equally expensive or even more and I don't want inferior herbs which are not uncommon. I know Dr. Mercola always sells products on his site but his information is still of high value to me. I read what he has to say and don't feel compelled to buy anything from him.

Again, thanks for your input. Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, USA) on 10/21/2012

Lisa, thanks again for your post. I plan to make an appointment this week. Can't plan too far in advance, because of my mom. I received a phone call Friday afternoon, from the nursing home.... Giving me the impression that she may not make it till I got up there. I found my heart racing, my anxiety level rising and decided to take an additional 1/4 tsp. Of the 8 Immortals. Within 20 minutes, I could feel the calm settle over me and was able to finish the drive up there without the feeling of my nerves getting the best of me. So, thanks to you, and educating and sharing your knowledge of Chinese herbs, I'm handling my life and health in a state of balanced calm. Will continue with my reading...")

And to Taffy: I do not mean this in a mean venue, but whenever someone from this website has shared their first-hand knowledge of their experiences, sometimes their knowledge will come from those sites that do advertise "selling of products". There has to be a jumping off point to one thing leading to another. I have found that true, for me, in anything I do research on.

General Feedback
Posted by Taffy (Santa Cruz, Ca/USA) on 10/21/2012

Dear Lisa from Thousand Oaks, I looked at the website that you have linked. I have seen your link 4 times in a few hours of random reading of EC. The link is to a commercial site with some high prices to readily available products.

I would hate to see EC become an advertisers link-o-rama. Please consider the benefit of a truely non-commercial health site when you post! Or, for the benefit of all, research and post additional links which sell the same products at lower cost.

Thanks, Taffy

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 10/20/2012

Hi Sue, So this was rather timely since you had asked about how you could learn more on TCM. I received this today in my email which is David Wolfe explaining the three treasures, Jing, Shen and Chi:

Never did hear back if you were able to make an appt. With the TCM Dr.You gave me the link to look at. I had also meant to add based on what you said in your last post, I don't think the 8 Immortals would be too much at all. As a matter of fact, when I first started on my Chinese Herbs protocol, I used 8 Immortals and Duanwood Reishi! Now I'm taking 8 Immortals and began taking the Goji LBP 40 after reading about it on Sunday. It's been 5 days and I see amazing changes in my skin. I'm really excited about it and am being religious about taking it. I'll report changes as they occur with this herb. Hope you're doing great! Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 10/19/2012

Hi Everyone, I know some of you are very interested in learning about Chinese medicine and just expanding your knowledge about health in general. This is Truth Calkins who is absolutely brilliant in Chinese medicine and alternative health. I always learn so much from him each time I hear him. I have had the great fortune of hearing him live and watching him make amazing superfood drinks. In this interview, he speaks about chaga and reishi mushrooms and shen. I hope you enjoy this. Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 10/18/2012

Hi Sue, I checked out the website for the TCM Dr. you found and she looks great. Good credentials and years of experience. My TCM Dr. is from Korea and he is amazing. I would definitely consider going for a visit and seeing how you feel with her.

Well, as you know since you have gotten Dragon Herbs, you can learn a lot from Ron Teeguarden and much of his staff. If you just go to their website there is so much information to learn from right up there. Check it out carefully! In the catalog and literature section, you will see all the past magazines online. That is a treasure trove. I have hard copies of them. Under Herbalism and Philosophy you will learn the premise of this amazing practice. Under herbs, you will see the Chinese herbs listed with their qualities. The book Ron wrote is available on the website, "The Ancient Wisdom of Chinese Tonic Herbs" is an excellent book and one I have read and always use to refer to. You might want to consider getting that to educate yourself. Never be afraid to ask the consultant questions if you don't understand what they mean. Like, "What do you mean, I have too much jing?" And of course, just working with the TCM Dr. you will get an education. I always ask my Dr. to explain what he is needling me for? and how are my pulses? Can you show me on the chart which meridians you're working on? Etc. That is how I have learned a lot.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Feel free to ask me any other questions you may have. I'm so proud of you for going forward with this! Bravo! Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 10/18/2012

Lisa... I have a favor to ask. I am posting a link to a Chinese practitioner in St. Louis that is not too far from me. I feel I'm so inexperienced in this area and just not sure what I should be looking for. Any advice or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

I also would like to ask about the 8 Immortals. I was told to take 1/2 dropperful 2x's a day. That equals to about 1/4 tsp each time. I'm not sure, at this stage, if the Duanwood Reishi and 8 Immortals are too much. I really don't have a lot of get up and go type of attitude and physical stamina, but my stress level is so much better. The Rehmannia Six is just wonderful. It has balanced my hormones, to where I don't have a flare up of breaking out in hot flashes. It was explained to me that I had "too much jing". Do you have any suggestions on how I can educate myself further with Chinese herbs? Reading material? Websites? Thank you!!!

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 09/01/2012

Hi Everyone, I know some of you have been interested in learning about Chinese herbs and they're benefits. I just received an audio on David Wolfe speaking on chaga mushrooms which are very powerful medicinal mushrooms. He has just written a book and I thought some of you would be interested in hearing him speak on chaga. Enjoy! Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/31/2012

Hey Sue, So glad that you had their counsel! It really is very helpful. I'm so glad to hear you're feeling the benefits of the Chinese herbs. Isn't it great? And you're running, no less! I have so much energy and sleep like a baby at night. I feel like my body is finally coming together so I just joined a gym so that I can really rehab my hip with swimming. It's day 2 and I can feel the strength of my legs and hips returning!

And like you, I am now down to just my Chinese herbs, fermented foods and betaine HCL. Making life simpler and better... Yea! Lisa

General Feedback
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 08/31/2012
5 out of 5 stars

Lisa & everyone... I wanted to submit an update on the Chinese tonic herbs. Two of them (Burpleurum & Peony-#450 and Opt Digest-#306) were not a good match for me. The reps at Dragon Herb told me to stop taking them all for a couple of days and then start adding one a time back to see which ones were causing the problems. I found out it was the #450. I had a reaction to taking it within an hour. So, I was doing the two, but the #306 was not a good product for me, either. When I talked with a senior consultant, she told me that they would honor their guarantee of unused product and suggested I use Buplerum & Cyperus(#436) and Pearl Powder(#439). They will be here soon.

The past 3 days I have just been taking the Rehmannia Six Combination and I must say I feel fantastic! So much energy and my morning walks/running (yes, running.. Lol) have been so good. Can't wait to get the other two. I told the consultant that my goal was to just do the Chinese herbs and eliminate most everything else I was taking. I just want to simplify my intake of supplements, and increase fermented foods. Thanks again for turning me on to the Chinese herbs!

Liver Strength
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/19/2012

Hi Sue! Wow! Great feedback! Yes, I have made that same mistake! It is reassuring to know you have them to contact to help understand what is going on. I have done that in the past. And yes, 100 days is what they say. As a matter of fact, I was just saying to my husband yesterday how amazing his skin looked. His response was, it had been more than 100 days on goji/ schizandra and it is said those two herbs/ fruits will completely change your skin. I started calculating how long I have been consistently taking my herbs and it's been 5 months or approximately 150 days!

The other day we were in our Do-It Center and the cashier was having a difficult time reading our items. She turned to us and said how awful her eyes were- dry, scratchy, irritable and as a result, had a difficult time reading. My husband said he totally knew what she was talking about. She even told us that she'd had laser surgery to try to correct the problem at a cost of $12,000 and it had only exacerbated the problem! And on top of it, she is back to using her glasses which the laser was supposed to help since the dryness still made it difficult to see clearly. Ouch... We told her about goji/ schizandra and how it had completely corrected that issue for him. Well, she did get the formula and couldn't believe it! Needless to say, she was thrilled and couldn't believe it. So amazing!

Anyway, I know you will continue to feel better each day with your herbs. I know I do and look forward to taking them, knowing their magic. May you be blessed beyond belief, Lisa

Liver Strength
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 08/19/2012

Thanks for the link, Lisa. I enjoyed watching Ron and learning. I wanted to share with you, Meg, and everyone my experience so far with my combo of tonic herbs. I started taking them late Wed. Morning (that's when they came.. *smile*) and felt so good Thur. Morning that I exercised. That is not an unusual activity for me, but I did interval walking/jogging. I really felt good the rest of the day, but when I woke up Fri. , I felt absolutely terrible. Couldn't name anything specific, except for extreme fatigue. I thought the herbs were doing a form of detox. So, I called Dragon Herbs and talked with a senior consultant and she told me I overdid it with the exercise. The herbs do not cause you to have any form of a detox. I didn't feel better until the next morning. I have been great since then (I'm on day 5, and walking briskly... Lol). The consultant said that the herbs make you feel so good, that you have a tendency to overdo things. It meant so much to me to be able to "speak" with someone and have some guidance as to what was going on. She also told me that I had to give the herbs at least 100 days to totally do what they're suppose to do. She also told me to check back with her in 2 weeks to see if I needed adjusting with quanity of what I was taking. Love this company! Love the herbs! Thanks again, Lisa.

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/18/2012

Hi Rswuniontown, I'm happy both Meg and Sue replied. It's good for them to give feedback on their experience with all of this to help strengthen my testimonies on all the good effects I have felt. I think their consultation alone is worth the price since there comes a point where one feels like you're just stabbing in the dark trying to find the answers sometimes! If it interests you, you can always just call for a consultation. You are not obligated at all to buy! I appreciate that. There have been times when I was strapped financially and when I told them so, they suggested just one if that was all I could afford which would offer the best bang for my buck as they say. Anyway, I'm glad you at least inquired. Best to you, Lisa

Liver Strength
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/18/2012

Hi Meg, So glad to hear you have started on your Chinese herb formulas! I love the way you describe how you feel. It's a good description. Calm energy. Not like when you keep drinking coffee to keep yourself going. I did that for years and then about 9 years ago, I couldn't do it anymore. It always worked and then one day, boom! Everytime I'd try drinking coffee in the afternoons for a boost it would absolutely backfire on me. I felt edgy and irritable, a little shaky. Unfocused as I tried to teach... I probably blew out my adrenals way back then from too much coffee!

So, as you take your herbs over time you will feel yourself increasingly stronger, able to keep going in a steady fashion, your skin will change to a healthy glow and as I wrote yesterday to someone, my voice is strong and no more throat issues. I can feel my chi growing...I was excited to watch that video because those are the herbs I've been taking! It just made me feel more resolute in my use of them.

Again, congratulations on beginning your path to "radiant health" as Ron puts it! Keep me posted, I can't wait to hear about the changes you will experience. Blessings on you, Lisa

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Rswuniontown (Uniontown, Oh) on 08/18/2012

Hi Meg and Sue, Thank you so much for posting your experiences and costs of the Chinese medicine. It seems reasonable considering they also provide a consultation, as well. Let us know how you are doing with the herbs. And thank you Lisa, for bringing all this to our attention.

Liver Strength
Posted by Meg (Kansas City, Mo) on 08/18/2012

Lisa, This video is just great! ... Thank you... I could listen to Ron Teeguarden all day, every day, I find him so interesting. I am taking the herbs mentioned in my various herbal formulas now, and I am so glad to report that I am definitely feeling a difference, even after just a few days. I am coming from a long way below 'normal' strength, and the best way to describe my feeling is one of 'soft energy'... No feeling of artificial stimulation at all. I believe I am on the right track for me at last and can only get better and better. Thank you again for all your kindness to me and all. Meg

Liver Strength
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/18/2012

Hi Meg, Sue and Everyone interested in Chinese herbs, This is a wonderful video of a master Chinese herbalist speaking on developing a strong liver through herbs. The three he speaks about are goji, schizandra and reishi. These are three that I take daily. Hope you enjoy, Lisa

Anti- Aging
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/15/2012

Hi everyone, I just wanted to comment on the latest newsletter which referenced the healing power of buckwheat. I just learned that afternoon after receiving the newsletter that ho shou wu otherwise known as fo-ti is part of the buckwheat family. It is a Chinese herb highly revered for its healing abilities and maintenance of health. My friend who is a Chinese herbalist posted this info on his FB page of which I will give excerpts from. I know some of you are interested in learning about Chinese herbs so I thought you might enjoy reading about it. :

"This anti-aging herb is commonly known in the west as Fo-Ti root (or Fo-Ti-Tieng) and is a member of the buckwheat family. This western nickname was given to it in the 70's and is now its most commonly recognized name. The latin name for the Fo-Ti root's whole plant is polygonum multiflorum. The Chinese name is He Shou Wu which roughly translates as Mr. Wu's hair stays black. This should give you an idea of the potential that fertility herbs can have on your health, especially as you supposedly "get older".

Traditional properties:
He Shou Wu is a premier yin tonic and anti-aging herb that can be consumed daily to increase your human longevity potential. It is sweet, bitter, astringent and slightly warming. It affects and tones the liver and kidney meridians. He Shou Wu will increase your energy levels, however it is not a stimulant. It is in fact a Jing herb and slightly sedative. It stands out among the top fertility herbs and builds sexual staying power for men and women (as all yin tonics do)."

This is only a small excerpt from what he wrote so for those of you interested in reading the article in its entirety, you can find it here:

I always love learning new info so hopefully, you found this interesting too! BTW, he is an amazing healer and someone I look to for health maintenance! Lisa

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Meg (Mo) on 08/14/2012

Hello Uniontown, I would be happy to... The three different formulations I will be taking soon are around $21-30 per bottle for 100 x 500gr capsules. So it would all depend on your particular needs as to what you would spend. The herbalist I spoke to was very professional and helpful, and was able to explain my situation to me in a way that made perfect sense to me. There was never any pressure to buy anything at all, only suggestions as to what formulations would help me, and with explanations as to why they would help me. The consultation was free, with an invitation to call back in a month or so if I wanted to. After Lisa's recommendation and personal experience regarding Chinese herbs, and my own subsequent research, I feel confident about taking the herbs and am eagerly awaiting their arrival. Hope this helps you make a decision. Sue from Worden, in her email above, also mentions prices. Thank you Sue! Cheers, Meg

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 08/14/2012

Hi...I know you addressed your question to Meg, but thought I would let you know how much my cost is going to be for my Dragon Herbs. I am getting 3 products, but on 2 of the products, I will be receiving 2 bottles. My cost was $105.52. My representative from Dragon Herbs suggested I take more than what is suggested on bottle, because he feels like I need to do that for the first month... Possibly for the first 3 months. He said my order will last me 25 days. I also want you to know that I didn't order right at the time I talked with him. I asked him to save the information and that I would call back with my order within a couple of days. I wanted to do some processing and further reading of what he recommended. Needless to say, I called back that afternoon.. Lol To offset the cost, except for my healthy fats and magnesium, I won't be taking any other supplements. Gonna give the Chinese Herbs my full attention. Hope this helps.

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 08/13/2012

Hi Meg, Would you be willing to say how much this entire process has cost? Thank you. It sounds very helpful and interesting but many of us need a ballpark number to know if we can afford it before we would call.

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/13/2012

Hi Susan and Meg, So glad to hear your experiences were both so positive. They have always been so patient and helpful I didn't expect otherwise. Still, it is good to hear your feedback. It makes sense that both of you would be given Optidigest as my acupuncturist would always say to me "Stomach is so important! Digestion not good, health not good! " So he would always treat my stomach first before moving onto other organs.

Rehmannia is excellent for restoring/ maintaining kidney health. That will be a noticeable difference especially if you have low back pain, urination issues, low energy. And Meg, my husband loves his goji and schizandra! It has made a big difference in his eyes. Ron Teeguarden said his teacher would say that if he could only use one herb, it would be schizandra! I haven't used Return To Youth, but looking at the herbs in the formula, yes, it has it all!

So, now, just remember, you MUST use them on a regular basis. Then you will see the results. One of the biggest mistakes all the people at Dragon Herbs say is, people get the herbs and then they don't take them! The results are real- I feel the impact on my life from them.

Congratulations again, on taking the steps to restoring optimum health. Wishing you both the very best in health, Lisa

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Meg (Mo) on 08/13/2012

Hi Lisa and Susan, Thought you might like to know that I had a phone appt. with Dragon Herbs this morning and recommended products for my issues are: Optidigest, Return to Youth, and Goji and Schizandra. It was the first time in 20 years that I found someone who was able to not only understand what I was trying to describe in my somewhat scattered way, but he explained to me exactly what I was dealing with and how Traditional Chinese Medicine is able to deal with contradictory patterns in the body. I am thrilled to pieces and can't wait to get started when my products arrive!

Thank you so much Lisa and Susan for your timely tips and information. One of the nicest things about this site is the support being offered to everyone, one way or another. We all need it, that's for sure. I will be in touch again soon. My gratitude always, Meg

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, USA) on 08/12/2012

Hi Lisa.... He prescribed OptDigest (Item#306) 2 capsules 4 to 6x's a day. Said I have compromised my digestion and that I need to take more, at least for a month, to start getting back on track. The other two are Bupleurum & Peony (Item#450) 4 cap a day, and Rehmannia Six Combination (Item#326) 4 cap a day. Eric said it was easier to type in Item#... Lol. I think, from my read, that the 3 will be a good combo. I'll be sure to let you and Meg know how they're working. Thanks so much again!!!

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/11/2012

Hi Susan, Well, currently I use Dragon Herbs shilajit but I have also really liked Omica's as well. The DH is nice because it's in capsules so convenient for me to take with me to use on the go. Both companies have the finest products. Have met both owners/ formulators and they are of the highest integrity. Hope this helps. Lisa

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Susan (New York) on 08/11/2012

Hi Lisa, can you let me know which brand of shilajit do you use?

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/11/2012

Hi Meg, I'm sure you're excited about the 8 Immortals arriving! I can't wait to hear your feedback on it. Give it at least a week although, I'm sure you'll feel a difference before that. Is that the only formula you're getting? It is quite complete in itself. In my case, because I also just had stem cell therapy and am trying to support that process to its fullest capacity, I went to Ron himself and asked him what would be the best for that. His response immediately was deer antler. He said it's like the stem cell therapy of Chinese medicine. So, I take that additionally. I also use their shilajit since I believe in either fulvic acid, humic acid or shilajit. The other place I put great faith in is Omica's products because I have met Raffy, the creator of them as well and he has such high integrity I would recommend his products to anyone, hands down. So, I'll go between his fulvic acid or shilajit and Dragon Herbs.

You asked me if I take anything else besides my herbs. It's funny because my husband and I were just having this discussion last week. We've tried it all! He said after all the different supplements we've tried, super foods, etc. , the only thing he's felt a real profound difference has been from our Chinese herbs. I really have to agree! We have stopped taking anything else except for Betaine with my meals. On that note, I should probably just can the cupboard shelves full of various supplements!

Also, I too was having such problems with sleeping soundly. But since being on my Chinese herbs, I not only sleep very soundly but get up very early ready to start my day easily. I will be curious to see if you see that change. Remember, these are powerful adaptogens so they help each person's body individually to balance in its own unique way. I have definitely seen those effects in myself and my husband.

I look forward to hearing from you, Lisa

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Meg (Kansas City, Mo) on 08/10/2012

Hi Lisa, Your encouragement re taking the Chinese herbs is wonderful! I can hardly wait to get started myself and thanks for the information about being able to call Dragon Herbs for a free phone consultation. What a gift!

With your experience using Chinese medicine, did you drop conventional supplements etc. , when you began your own protocol? (I take two Isocort in the mornings just to get going and also two Stress End.)

I think I will 'play it by ear' and see how I feel when I begin the 8 Immortals which should arrive next week. My main concern is not to overdo supplementation, because if I do, I cannot sleep at night at all, and that is simply worse than anything else for me because of the fatigue and inability to relax the next day. I try to learn from my mistakes but sometimes I slip up with my sensitive system! Oh to be perfect...(smile)

Thanks again Lisa, and goodluck to Sue also... Sounds as though we may have a few similar problems but there is Light at the end of the tunnel! I am so grateful for this site! Thank you E. C! Meg

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 08/10/2012

Hi Sue, Wow! That is awesome! I am so happy you took this step and had someone help guide you. It really makes a difference. Sometimes we just keep trying things aimlessly- at least I've done that. Still, I don't think that goes to waste as I've learned so much in the process!

I have to say though, I feel incredible with my Chinese herbs. Long ago I used them to restore my health because I'd completely blown out my adrenals. I went to Dragon Herbs and a very wise woman diagnosed me there. Then I stopped using them once I was better. Well, when I attended the Longevity back in April I had the chance to hear Ron Teeguarden speak. He's the founder of Dragon Herbs and he talked about the most superior way of using the herbs is to take them as adaptogens so the body never goes to a place of severe illness. You can use herbs to restore the health once it's been lost but that is an inferior way of health. That makes so much sense! So, I went there and asked for help from them once more and have been on a protocol ever since. I can feel such a vital change.

I would love to hear what 3 formulas he suggested if you don't mind. I know it won't be long before you feel the difference! They are so amazing. Bravo to you! Lisa

Finding an Herbalist
Posted by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 08/10/2012

LISA..... I took your advice and called Dragon Herbs and talked with a lovely, patient young man named Eric. He went over with me what I was already taking, my current issues, and diet. He determined that I needed 3 formulas and I am getting them Wednesday. I'm so excited.

I found myself reading and doing research on "something" that would help with my digestion, hormones, energy, and sleep and try it. I would first try food form, then maybe a supplement. But, my ole' body just said "enough". I had a major bloating, pain episode. From past experiences, I knew that I was doing too much. So, I'm simplifying. This is my first step. Thank you so much, Lisa for all your caring help.

Hair Loss
Posted by Cez (Tel Aviv, Israel) on 03/12/2012
5 out of 5 stars

I have had alopecia areata for over fifteen years (since my early 20's). At its worst, nearly half of the hair on my head was gone - what was left was scattered in different sized patches. I went through the series of treatments offered by dermatologists including topical ointments, injected and oral steroids (! ) There was always new hair growth but it seemed to eventually get worse.

After a few years a friend encouraged me to consult her sister-in-law who is a Chinese Medicine Practitioner. I will refer to her as 'Z'. Immediately I began a regiment of acupuncture, an herbal remedy (taken for a couple of months only), a combo of tui na, shiatsu, reflexology and, the tool that sealed the deal for real results (in my opinion) was treating each balding area with a tiny tool used in acupuncture known as a seven pointed star (I think that's what it's called). It's pretty much a tiny hammer whose head is covered in small short needles.

Basically, Z would disinfect each area with an iodine solution and lightly (ok, not so lightly) give the bald areas whacks until there was a bit of blood flowing. I know, its sounds horrible and for those with a low threshold for pain or for kids, it'll be a real challenge. All I can say is when I saw the results, I didn't mind the pain at all - if anything, enduring it made me stronger. From my very basic understanding of it, this injury serves a couple of purposes: 1.) It gets blood flowing to the stagnant area and 2.) It does what some of the topical western medicines do - creates an injury/irritation so that the immune system (which attacks the hair in those with alopecia) starts to work on healing the irritation and leaves the hair growth alone to do its thing.

While I still have a bald spot or two at any given time, my condition is nowhere near what it was back then. For now it remains almost entirely a non-issue. I have continued to see Z pretty regularly over the years - taking a few breaks here and there - haven't needed the hammer in years as spots that show up tend to remain smaller and easy to hide until regrowth occurs - hope it stays that way.

For those who have the perserverence to go see someone and know that results could be a good three to six months down the road and will require possible long-term maintenance, I can't encourage you enough to give this a try - oh and you may want to work on a good breathing technique for the few intense moments of pain each appointment but trust me it is well worth it!

Cold Showers
Posted by Dave Murray (Derby, Uk) on 08/31/2011
5 out of 5 stars

I recall reading that part of the Spartan regime at Gordonstoun School in Scotland is/was cold showers. HRH Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh attended this school and he has recently reached his 90th year. The cold showers haven't done him any harm have they! As for me, I have just discovered them. Kind people have given me a shower head, curtain etc so it's only cost me a few pounds to make my cold shower. It's great!

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