Heartworm Treatment and Home Remedies for Pets

Posted by Chrisk (Port Republic, Md) on 05/20/2017
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In Jan 2017 my 20 pound beagles snap test was positive for heart worms. The year before it was negative. I saw the info here and called Systemic Formulas about the VRM 2. They suggested I give her 1 tablet once a day for 10 days. I did three rounds of 10 on 5 off. When I had her retested with a snap test in May 2017 it was now neg for heart worms!! Thank you for the info here.

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 07/25/2017

Hey Raye,

Your best bet is to go straight to the horses mouth; their product, they are the experts. Please report back!

Posted by Ginny (Memphis, Tn) on 07/02/2015
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I've been giving my dog HeartGuard as heartworm prevention ever since she was a pup. Her last vet visit indicated a heartworm positive test. She isn't in the advanced stages, but I already knew giving her the "traditional" treatment was not going to be an option for me. She's on a predominantly raw food diet and is eating fine. She's almost 10 years old too.

After reading this website, I felt intuitively I should start with the VRM2 that so many talked about here. So I ordered 2 bottles from the chiropractor and started her 3 days ago. I'm also giving her a clove of garlic in her food every day.

This morning I took her out and noticed she was acting a little strange - sitting in the middle of the yard, not running around as usual. When I looked closer, I noticed she had what I thought was just some leftover grass/poop hanging on her butt (sorry - I know kind of gross! ), and she totally freaks out when something is hanging there so I grabbed a leaf to take care of it. What I noticed were these long strings hanging there. At first I thought it was just long pieces of grass but after researching a bit further I now realize these are heartworms coming out of her. After only 3 days on the VRM2!!! I was amazed. Now she's not completely comfortable so I think more are going to be coming out, but I honestly believe giving her that VRM2 is working. When this happens again I'm going to put it in a baggie to show my vet just to be sure. I'm convinced that what's happening though so I wanted to share here.

I'm going to make a spray of tea tree or melaleuca oil and water to use on her anus area for relief too. I'll continue the VRM2 treatment for 11 more days as suggested here and I'll have her tested again after.

Dosage I'm giving her is 1 capsule in food (taking contents out of capsule and putting directly in food). She's 65 lbs.

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Teriinttown (Tacoma, Wa) on 08/27/2014
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I adopted a dog that was heartworm positive and used Black Walnut hull and Wormwood treatment on her. It tastes bitter so you have to put it in some yummy moist food. No negative reactions at all to the treatment but the heartworms disappeared. I treated my other dog and myself to get rid of any parasites and we are all better for it. A great alternative to the traditional take the dog to the brink of death $1000 treatment! Thanks Earth Clinic.

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Kim (Chesapeake, US) on 03/15/2015

Where can I aquire this? Is it already made to the dose or does it have to be mixed?

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Lorie (Or) on 12/04/2015

How much did you give your dog?

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Lauren (Memphis, Tn) on 03/16/2014

meant to add my email is sharetheworldx at yahoo dot com you can email me if you like. but really anything I could tell you , I was told by Brenda who has posted in this site. she left her email too. I just can really relate to you now since my dog's stomach too had to be drained and they also put her on lasix. my dog was surely going to die before I read Brenda's post on here and now I know my dog has a fighting chance. YOU NEED TO GET VRM2-SM asap! As it takes days to be delivered...you are racing against time right now. every day your dog goes untreated is a day closer to death. I don't mean to scare you but until you get the VRM2-sm made by Bio Challenge I would say you need to at least go to your local natural & organic grocery store like Whole foods and pick up Black Walnut Hull, Wormwood, garlic, Hawthorne berry formulas........black walnut hull is one of the major dewormers in VRM2-sm. it's all natural and without it your dog will just get worse

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/28/2014

Hey Denise!

If you are dealing with yeast try adding 1/16 teaspoon of epsom salt in 1 liter of drinking water for 2-3 days - max; this is not intended for long term use, just to nip a break out in the bud. When you stop the epsom salt in the water you can then start adding 1 teaspoon baking soda to 1 liter of water; do this for 5-7 days. This is a 'break out' or crisis dose. After a week you can cut it back to a maintenance dose of 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda to the water. If you suspect a fungal component you can add 1/16 teaspoon borax along with the baking soda in 1 liter of water. In acute and extreme cases 1/4 teaspoon of borax in 1 liter of water is indicated. Many humans take 1/8 - 1/4 teaspoon borax in 1 liter of water daily as a detox and antifungal/antiyeast, so long term use is not an issue, however all these remedies are something you should 'play by ear' and should be adjusted as you see fit. The water additives address mineral deficiency issues and should be addressed first.

Additionally you should consider bathing/dipping your dog in Ted's Anti-Staph/Anti-fungal solution:

You will need:

Milk of Magnesia [magnesium hydroxide]
Epsom salts [magnesium sulfate]
Borax [sodium tetraborate]
1% hydrogen peroxide solution [Buy the brown bottle from the drugstore, which is a 3% solution, and then pour it into a larger jug and then fill up the empty brown bottle twice with purified/non-chlorine water and empty that into the jug and now you have a a big jug full of 1% solution]

Mix 1 tbsp of MOM with 1 tbsp epsom salt and 1 tbsp borax into 1-1/2 cups of 1% hydrogen peroxide. Apply and do not rinse. This solution should knock out any staph infection or yeast infection going on in the skin.

For treating troubled patches of skin try 50:50 baking soda and borax mixed into 1% hydrogen peroxide until it forms a smooth paste and apply to the area 4x day. Do not scrub this into the affected skin, rather smooth it on.

These topical remedies plus changing his PH internally with the baking soda water should bring your boy relief.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Allie (Atlanta, Ga) on 05/18/2014

I used the Bandit's Buddies de-worming program for a heartworm positve dog (google) a few years back. it was Black walnut on 5 days off two. Artemesia, CoQ10 an HSII, all from Natures Sunshine, which I used. I assume the brand is not always the main idea. My dogs were already on Garlic/yeast tabs for flea control (has worked for us for years).

Our guy was negative at the next heartworm check about 4 months later. I think one could get a test sooner and see the progress. He handled it all very well. Just after a few days he had more energy and seemed more puppy-like. He was about 9 yrs. old at the time.

I now use a different brand for prevention, it is a tincture of blk walnut and wormwood, 5 days on and two days rest.

My question - what about blk wlanut/wormwood(artemesia) for cats? Anyone use it on cats?

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Lin (Okc, Ok) on 08/14/2013

I use Wormwood combination and Diatomaceous Earth for my dogs. Helps with heartworms too. I put the D.E. , a t Bsp. In their food every day, gets rid of parasites! I have one dog who needs his "wormwood" everyday or he starts getting sick, I use just one capsule for him in his morning feed and he is a fairly large dog, part shepherd, part Rottie. I have cats also and use the D.E. in their wet food too. Hope this helps>

Posted by Equestrian Dog Lover (Ocala, Fl) on 06/07/2013

I too am not a vet, but after researching all I could about heartworms, the process vets use to "deworm" the dogs of heartworms - which is very hard on a dog from what I was reading online, and years of horse farm management where I regularily wormed my horses - I chose a different unconventional method with my own dog. This method used the same "dewormer" medicine called Ivermectin; an oral equine ivermectin paste wormer that one can get easily from any farm supply store or equine "tack" shop. Cost for this oral paste wormer - about $12.00!

My point being: Instead of putting my dog through the trauma of the Arsenic/Ivermectin method and then try to keep the dog confined for 2-3 weeks (with a verty active dog I might add! ), then the thought of possibly killing my dog with this method, and lastly the $3,000.00 expense for this process that might kill my dog - but they would still want their money.... I thought I would try my method first!

Best part it worked!

Not too sure about using this method on smaller dogs as my dog is a larger hunting dog breed. Not too sure about using this method on an older that is clearly showing signs of being severely infected with heartworm. Here is my history & method I used. I bought my dog at 8 weeks old, and she was also only two years old when she tested positive, she had been on the heartworm meds since the Vet said she was old enough to start taking them. I chose to give them to her only April- September when the main mosquito problem existed. She had been heartworm tested once before(the previous Spring) & negative - during her annual exam, & shots. I had used my 6 mo. Of heartworm meds. Over the Spring/Summer & the next Spring when I brought her in for her checkup, shots, and new meds... She came up positive for heartworm. I knew she could not have been infected long enough with heartworm - as she did not show any signs yet. No cough, no tiredness/lethargy, and no bad coat/skin. I even had her retested for heartworm at another vet - that used a different lab from the first vet. She came up positive again. For that reason I chose my method......

Over the years, from seeing the vet "tubeworm" my horses for worms - a process where the vet 1. Places the recommended amount of dewormer & water forming a solution in a clean pail, 2. Places a plastic clear tube up the horses nose, and/or down the throat of the horse into the intestines of the horse. 3. Gets the wormer med. mixture into the belly of the horse. This is done by first getting the liquid wormer from the pail into the horse by starting the syphoning method with the vet's own mouth, then letting the solution/mixture go into horse until the dewormer was in the horse stomach, and pail empty of solution. Several times when one of my horses "acted up" during this process I would see... the vet have a mouthful of this mixture as he syphoned it! His reply: "hasn't killed me yet, and I bet I'll never have worms! " We even did this procedure to foals.

As years went by, the drug companies came out with paste wormers where one could buy a prefilled tube of medicated de-worm paste and "shoot" the paste into the back of the horses open mouth. This was so much easier than taking the life of the vet or oneself in jeopardy while trying to coax the "tube" down the horses throat!

This oral ivermectin equine paste comes in a tube that has weight measurements on it by 100lb increments. I decided to do this early in the AM so that if any adverse reactions occurred, the vet would hopefully be open. My dog weighs about 70lbs. I chose to start out at 100 lbs. - moving the dial to the 100 lb measurement and making sure it was tightly closed for this amount only! (Past experience taught me to double check the dials tightness - from foal worming a couple times the plunger moved passed the designated weight I chose - but I caught it in time. ) I opened her mouth and shot the paste into the back of her mouth, then grabbed her mouth and held it shut so that she could not spit the paste the out, but could swallow and move her tongue around. Once I thought the paste was down her throat, I would examine her mouth to make sure. The first time I carefully watched her for hours to make sure she was OK. She handled it fine. Two weeks later I gave her the oral dog pill she would have taken had she not been positive. Two weeks later - gave her the equine paste -100 lbs again. She handled all this fine. No adverse reactions ever- not even diarrhea! I thought for sure she would have diarrhea as the worms passed out in the poop - but no. We did lightly examine her poop with a stick, and could see small things that could have been worms after we gave her the equine ivermectin. From here, I increased the timing to weekly - but still stayed at the 100 lbs. as to not overpower my dog with medicine. Any worm has a life cycle. Usually Larva, Pupa, Adult. With each having their own time frames for each phase in this cycle. I was trying to disrupt the life cycle. Trying to kill off the heartworms - first the youngest ones, then by having the medicine put weekly in the dogs bloodstream - keeping the med. Levels high at all times in the bloodstream to work on the nervous system of the mid life cycles, and then the oldest life cyles - the adult stage heartworms. This seemed to work! At end of 6 months - went and had her retested. The vet called and said the lab had to rerun the test as it was "inconclusive" and the would rerun the test for free to make sure! I took this as a good sign... That the level of heartworms in the blood had gone down to the level between positive and negative. The test came back positive, so I kept her on the same weekly 100lb. Ivermectin equine paste. Six months later tested again & she came back - negative/no more heartworms. Due to this all clear test - I dropped back to giving her just the dog oral heartworm pill, and 1X per month giving her another mouthful of the oral equine paste - 100 lbs. Last time tested - (6 months later again), she tested negative again. Now I have gone back to strictly the oral dog pill. We will see next time what she tests - this test will be a yearly test though.

Hope this helps anyone going through this difficult decision with their own dog. After doing your research on the de-worming process for heartworms in dogs, and you decide to try another route - an unconventional route. More power to you. It was a huge step for me to take. A route that other vets won't tell you to try as it will get them in trouble with their vet license. I was willing to start slow, and go from there. I got lucky - it worked for me. Will one dog recovering be enough for you to try this method? Only YOU can answer that. With humans - when one gets so sick the family sometimes will make a decision to try another route - the drug companies call it "medical research" and the person or family must sign their life away to not seek any damages towards this company for their medical "research" if the outcome is not what one expects. Again - I am not a vet & I can't guarrantee anything! All I can say it worked on my dog. You will have to decide in your own mind if this is something you want to do - you and only you will be willing to take any of the consequences that may arise with your dog. Do your research online, and then decide.

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Michelle (Bridgeville, De) on 05/14/2011
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i open the pill up and place it in my dogs water bowl. Make sure you put enough water in the bowl so it completely dissolves. After our short walk he is ready to come home and have a nice refreshing drink of water. I know how it feels for a vet to tell you that your pet has heartworms and if you dont do it the way they tell you he will die but yet they only tell you they have a 50/50 chance of making it through the chemical treatment. I was told if I didn't do the treatment they wanted he would not live past 30 days. When I mentioned the herbal treatment and I was told they would not see him anymore if I went that way. I am happy to say it is 5 yrs later and he is a happy pitbull. Also he has not returned to the mentioned vets office.

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Tracy (Maryville, Tn) on 12/28/2011

I have read this entire string and have only seen one post stating their dog has been cured of heartworms by this treatment. I too just learned of my 2YO boxer is heartworm positive. Like the rest of you I don't accept or face that I have to give her this horrible vet recommended treatment.

***I just want to hear more people say this treatment works***

Please post any results you've had.

Heartworm Prevention Tips
Posted by Jr (Coloma, Mi) on 04/10/2012

I have been advised by the homeopathic person I am working with to never use heartworm meds. She has advised me to use pure co-Q-10 every day to protect my dogs heart. She works strictly with animals and said she has never had a dog come down with heartworm using this. Just thought I would pass that on. My dog is a Lab/Newfoundland mix and weighs 100 lbs. I give her one pill a day. I guess I can't give the name brand but perhaps if you google CoQ10 Food Complex you will find it.

Heartworm Prevention Tips
Posted by Robert (Brandon, Florida) on 05/19/2012

Thank you for the information. What milligram dosage of CoQ10 do I give him my german shepard mix? He is 75 lbs. And has been having severe reactions to heartworm (invermectin) and flea (comfortis) meds. I have spent $100's of dollars trying to find out what was wrong with him and have narrowed it down myself to this being the cause! Thanks again!

Heartworm Prevention Tips
Posted by Laura (Granite City, Il) on 09/07/2015

What is VCO?

EC: VCO = Virgin Coconut Oil

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Nancin (Sheridan, United States) on 08/22/2007
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By chance, I did use Black Walnut extract and he appears to be much better; but not back in weight. I'm pretty sure he has heartworm; or had heartworm and is still recovering. Don't know. I was hoping someone would know the dosage and kind of arsenic that the vets give the heartworm affected dogs. As had a dog once that we did take to the vet for treatment of heartworm and he told us that they use arsenic. But don't know where to get it and what dosage. And where does it occur in nature? I can only assume that arsenic is found in nature. Does anyone know these answers? If so, please contact me through my email address. Thanks,

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Missinformation (Bernie, Mo) on 05/29/2011
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Two things I wish to say about the original inquiry and the following replies.

One, something that was never mentioned but should be, make sure that you are using purchased black walnut products NEVER use or feed an animal, especially dogs or horses, black walnuts. The walnut itself is fine but they tend to easily and quickly develop a mold that is toxic.

Second, as to the use of garlic, I feel the best way to provide this is actually in a product developed for pets called Brewer's yeast. You can even get this product at Walmart, although I find the ones sold by most pet stores tend to be a bit better quality. Brewer's yeast not only has the garlic to help with the fleas it has a lot of other products that help with worms, coats, digestion, teeth, etc. Pretty much the entire system. It can be used with both cats and dogs.

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Reba (California) on 03/01/2017

After several unsuccessful attempts to find a distributor for VRM2 locally on the internet I finally found one, Northstar Chiropractic Natural Wellness. http://www.northstarchiropractic.com/parasites/VRM2-small.html

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Brenda (Ca) on 11/02/2017


I was the original person that brought VRM-sm to this forum. I am not going to claim I am an expert on the dosage, but I have always said that doing the instructions on the bottle is not designed for dogs, but for humans. Things got so out of hand on here (exaggerated info.) that I pulled most all of my posts a year or so ago.

There are people that have called the manufacture and really-they have not done studies on animals and are not qualified to suggest dosage to a dog. I had a small dog of 7 lbs that was stage 4 with heart-worm and the vet (thank goodness) said they would kill her with their treatment of the (poison) arsenic shots because of how far gone she was and her age. They told me just to take her home and watch her suffer to death. (not in those words, but they implied that) I went home and gathered all the info I could, much like you and wrote down a list of things to get at the health food store like black walnut, woodworm etc. I just got lucky and went to the right place because the woman there recommended VRM2-sm. Her supplier (who has long passed) said to do a run for 14 days (no more) of a half capsule (for a 7lb dog) She also suggested a heart support at a half capsule. So, I mixed this into a very small bit of wet food and gave once a day (better in the eve) for the 14 days. She was cured. You know they are cured when they are that sick and I did not bother to get a blood test. The vet thought the dog was 16 years old when I found her, but she lived another 7 years and died of old age.

I am not telling you to give a half a capsule for every 7 lbs either. The max amount is 2 capsules for an adult human a day so if your dog is 75 plus lbs, I think 2 capsules will be ok. I am just worried about the people on here that are misinformed and would give a 10 lb dog 2 capsules a day in the 3 cycles like on the bottle.

The reason that humans do for 3 cycles is because of possible parasites in the colon and getting the upper and lower colon etc. from what I remember reading. Heart-worm adults live in the heart and in the later stages block the blood flow. The dog coughs frequently, sleeps a lot, and looses weight until the heart is completely blocked and the blood will actually be forced to flow backward destroying the kidneys and liver and killing the dog..

So, since the original dosage that worked for me was one run of 14 days for a 7 lb dog with a good heart support, maybe you should try the same. The dosage will be up to you on what you think for your size of dog, but I think up to 10 lbs (half a cap) 10-30 (one cap) 30-75 (1 and a half) 75-up ( 2 capsules) Give or take and do what you feel more comfortable with.

It is all natural and you will see your dog light up within 3 days and be more playful and alert, but more is not better. If you are determined to get a blood test, it is recommended to wait for 3 to 6 months for all the residue from the heart-worm to leave the system or you may get a false positive. Take care and this product really does work!

Ayurveda Parasite and Heartworm Remedy
Posted by Molov127 (Usa) on 09/11/2020

Mild foods the day of and after the castor oil purge. Rest, too. Do not run the pets or walk or hike with them. Do not repeat the castor/ ginger purge. ginger is not necessary if pet wont take it.

The regimen should be taken max 60 days. Give a month break before beginning again if heartworm season is much of a concern. 90 days with frequent breaks after first month.

Turmeric may cause anemia with prolonged use. If sufficient protein is in diet, should not be an issue.

Take this with salt: Some independent research shows Heartworm appears in <2.9% of untreated canines. Potentially; synthetic wormer is upsold to give veterinarians incentive for more cashflow, and to treat patients side effects of synthetic wormer and cash another visit.

Posted by Jennifer (North Carolina) on 10/22/2016

I just started (Lexxi a 1.5 year old rescue who tested positive for heartworms) the VMR2 on Lexxi. She weighs 54 lbs. I was told 1 in the morning an 1 in the evening. I put the pills in peanut butter and she loves it. I'm also using CQ-10,2 a day, and Renagen DTX, 2 a day. No exercise, she's kept in a crate at all times, except to go to bathroom. I'll keep updating as we go through this journey.

Posted by Shannon (Fl.) on 11/02/2015

Honey can u plz tell me what vrm2 is and where I can get it? I have a senior dog I rescued and he has the heart worms he started the coughing so I took him into the vet they want alot of money to pretty much almost kill the old man and I know he has several years left he is such a good boy and I would hate to loose him so early and have his life cut short if there is something I can do to help him

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 07/31/2015

Hey Jill!

I strongly encourage you to speak directly with the company that sells this product for product dosing information, and to report back to the forum and let us know what dose worked for you.

That said, from the various posts on the topic for dosing:

There is only one brand of VRM2 - its made by Systemic Formulas and is part of their 'Bio-Challenge' line.

Their website and many others stress to NOT start using this product unless you can see it through to the full course of treatment which is 4 - 6 cycles of dosing VRM2 of 10 days on, 5 days off. A bottle holds 30 capsules - and the bottle also says to adjust for weight, so *maybe* 1 capsule to 1-1/2 capsule for the 14 pound dog and 1-1/2 to 2 capsules for the 24 pound dog [again, please check with the company that sells you this product as they do provide customer service]. Dose half the total dose for each dog am and pm - on an empty stomach is ideal. So you are looking at a treatment regime of pills for 10 days, then off for 5 - and 6 cycles is recommended schedule; be sure you order enough to accommodate this schedule for both dogs. Also recommended while on the VRM2 treatment from the same company is their heart supplement [Biofunction H] and their kidney support [Biofunction K].

Please read up on heart worm and supportive care if you wish to treat your dog for heart worm:






Posted by Trill (Atlanta, Ga) on 12/20/2015

Hi Ginny, I'm sure your vet explained this to you, but just for the clarification of anyone who comes across this. Anything coming from the anus of your dog is coming from the digestive system. Heartworms live in the blood, the circulatory system, and not the digestive. VRM-2 is excellent at killing many types of parasites, and will kill digestive parasites as well, but those you see are not heartworm. But you should take this as a warning sign that worms are dying, and if your beloved pup has tested hw positive, you need to severely restrict their activity.

Heartworms swim against the current, when they die they wash away with the current. Not a problem when they die one at a time, but a large die off can clog arteries and can be deadly if the dogs activity is not severely restricted. VRM2 saved my dogs life, but I kept her quiet and mostly crated for a couple weeks, as recommended by all vets, traditional as well as natural, so the worms could slowly make the way through her system and be dissolved.

Posted by Brenda (Cali Former San Antonio) on 01/18/2016

I know I am commenting in here months after, but have not been in here in a long time. I am glad that everyone is getting good results with VRM2 and that is what I hoped when I originally posted about it. So safe, simple, and reasonable! That being said, I want to clarify a few things that I was told and did from the original source.

1) do not go by the instructions on the bottle, run it for 14 days straight. The dose can be from a 1/2 a cap up to 3 caps a day depending on the weight of the dog. A heart support is recommended like Q10 or anything a health store can recommend that is safe for dogs.

2) You don't have to restrict your dog from playing and being their normal self because the VRM2 is killing the worm slowly and the body is naturally breaking it down. I would not over exercise your dog though. You will see within a few days how they perk up and have more energy.

3) VRM2 kills other parasites as well like roundworm, hookworm etc., not just heart worm.

4) If you are getting a blood test after treatment, 3 to 6 months is recommended. If done before, it can result in a false positive. I have to say that I am just loving the positive and good results people are having and the animals that are being saved from a painful death. Yea!

Posted by Maureen (Il) on 02/06/2016

Correct. Heartworms are in the bloodstream, which is why they end up in the lungs and do damage to the heart. You will never see a dog eliminate heartworms via the intestinal tract (pooping or vomiting). Must be an intestinal parasite you're seeing.

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 08/02/2016

Hello Maryellen,

Opinions will vary on whether to treat now or wait for 2 weeks for the doxy regime to conclude. Read up for ideas on how you would like to proceed:


And since you are working with a vet in treating your dog's heartworm, please consider bringing this question to your vet, along with discussing using the VRM2 in lieu of the Immiticide.

Posted by Irina (Ca) on 08/02/2016 11 posts

I would wait for a few days after treating with antibiotics, since they also suppose to kill worms, maybe 5-7 days?

With my dog I started with Vi-Bactra Plus (natural antibiotic for 7 days, had 5 day break and now I am on a first round of VRM2 (today, as amateur of fact day 10), I also give her HSII and CQ10 for hear support, and garlic once a day, now I'll stop VRM2 for 5 days, but will continue on heart support and will add kidney support. I believe (not 100 % sure) that she is panting less now (she was really panting hard at night and early morning, but last few days she hardly panting at all- and it maybe because she feels comfortable now in our home (she has been with us just 32 days! )- or maybe he feels better because of VRM2.

I'll definitely will post result and rwrite more as tweatment progress

P.S. I did talk to a person- Bill -at Systemic formulas and he suggested that I do 3 10 day rounds and give my dog 2 capsules a day with meals - my dog is 41 lbs)

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/20/2015

Hey Karlie!

The reason you do not see any dosage information is due to many reasons, weight of the individual pet being a major factor, as well as differences between product brands and potency: the bottle of wormwood that I have on my shelf may be super concentrated while the bottle you are using may only be half the strength compared to the product I have [this is just an example - I do not have this product at home! ]

You have to play it by ear; adjust the dose for *your* pet per the specific product you are using. A very good idea is to read the dose recommendations on the product packaging/on the product itself as a starting point; if the product is for humans, you might consider a child dose [unless you have a giant breed]. Also it never hurts to call the company and ask directly about what does is best suited.

As a general rule, to answer your question, you would dose am and pm on a daily basis - but the exact dose is something you will have to determine based on the specific product you have while taking into consideration your pet's weight.

Please read up on heart worm and supportive care if you wish to treat your dog for heart worm:





Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 07/14/2014

Hey Denise!

Short answer: NO.

Wolbachia are bacteria that are essential for the microfilaria -hearworm larvae - to survive. Doxycycline would kill these bacteria as an effort to kill the developing microfilaria. Since VRM2 is killing the microfilaria, there is no need to dose Doxycyline, ie it would be over kill and introducing an antibiotic would only serve to knock the healthy bacteria in the gut out of balance.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 05/07/2014

Hey Barbara!

If you are having such a good experience with Banfield, why not go back and ask for a heartworm SNAP test? They run around $50.00 and will give you results in 15 minutes. That isn't a big price to pay for peace of mind.

Please check out EC's page on heartworm and read about VRM2:


Also read up on all the information there as treating heartworm is a serious undertaking that requires calm and crate rest for an extended period of time.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Kenneth (St Jacob, Il) on 07/01/2015

Cancer cannot survive in an alkaline enviroment. I put one drop of citrus lemon oil in my dogs water dish everytime I wash it and refill it. Just like with humans lemon oil in water helps to maintain blood pH on the alkaline side. It also purifies the water and misquetos do not use the water to lay eggs. I also put a teaspoon of coconut oil on a small plate and let the dogs like it up. This boosts their immune system as well as killing viruses, bacteria, fungus and mold. to read more email me at [email protected]

Posted by Gina (Tx) on 01/05/2016

Hi all- my neighbor's dog just tested postive for heartworms so I have been scrolling thru this thread. I probably need to put my dog on a preventative and will go with the artemisia daily for the first week of the month-- plus add back the garlic in her food. she already gets cayenne in her food. and I will get some coq10 for her.

What I'm really writing about though is the mixup over dosages. things that kill parasites kill parasites, at least intestinal-- for instance the wormer (fluvermal) dosage for a cat is the same as for a human. I am thinking that against heartworms it works the same way-- except of course that heartworms don't come out in poop. so if your dog is heavily infected and you give a large dose (thinking that a large dose is for a large dog) the kill-off can be dangerous to the lungs-- the dosage I believe should be calculated primarily on the degree of infestation- the heavier the infestation the milder the dose. the health, age and size of dog are important secondary considerations. does this make sense to anyone else?

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/16/2014

Hey Abigail!

I am sorry to hear about your girl being so ill with worms :(

If this were *my* dog I would continue working with the vet to deworm her and get the fluids out.

Because your girl has an advanced case, its important to work closely with your vet; ask your vet about continuing treatment with possible liver or other organ damage. Some folks are not huge fans of Lasix, but it is an effective drug and can make the difference between life and death; if this were a mild case of heartworm it would be reasonable to go the home remedy route all the way, but given the advanced disease condition its totally reasonable to follow your vet's recommendation.

Dogs can and have been successfully treated with advanced cases of heartworm so please do not give up fighting the good fight.

Please report back and let us know how it goes!

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Abigail (Austin Tx) on 03/17/2014

Okay, so I took her back to the vet we got 5.8lb of fluid drained from her she has a uterine infection but they said there was not any damage to the liver kidney or anything like that so we are very happy to here.They gave us a antibiotic which I am going to keep her on along with the lasix but we are going to start the treatment with it as well.I got her worm wood, the black hull nut (dont remember the name right off but I did right the correct name before getting it) Coq10, garlic, and a 2x immune strengthener.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/17/2014

Hey Abigail!

Your dog has a uterine infection too? That is one sick pupper :-(

Is the uterine infection open or closed? I have had some success in treating 'metritis'/open and draining uterine infection with a douche of 50% tincture of iodine and 50% water - the tinct of iodine was available at the drugstore for under 5 bucks. I used a syringe and some aquarium hose to administer. I inserted the aquarium hose up the vulva a couple inches and then gently depressed the plunger. I did this for maybe 3 days in a row and found it to be very effective.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/18/2014

Hey Denise!

Sorry to hear about your dog's heartworm infection :-(

You treat heartworm by killing the worms in the heart and bloodstream. When the adult worms in the heart die, they break into pieces and they only place they can go is downstream, into the lungs where they eventually get absorbed. What your dog needs at this time is not a morning walk but strict crate rest. No exercise for dogs being treated for heartworm! This treatment is long term - you will NOT see immediate improvement as it takes time for the worms to die off. The blood in the urine could be related to the heartworm but without knowing more its difficult to say - your best bet IMHO is to check back with your vet.

Please read up on heartworm as you continue treating your dog:





Please let us know how it goes!

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Denise (Monticello) on 03/27/2014

Hi Theresa,

Thanks for the info, didnt know they couldnt take walks! As for the blood in the urine, I never seen anymore after that. He just finished 14 days of VRM2, and going to start another round on Monday or Wednesday for another 14 days. He's still panting, but I now know not to give walks anymore. He only pants when walking, or when it's hot outside, otherwise he sleeps a lot or barks up a storm at times when he wants something. :) He's 14 years old, and has other health issues such as skin yeast infection, which I am naturally trying to treat him for that, and also arthritus. He's a high maintenance dog. I am using turmeric for the pain. I don't want anymore medications, because it only makes his yeast infection worse. He's had this yeast infection for years, and it's been so hard to kill it. Medications don't help. I am praying these natural treatments do something and cure him, so he can be healthy and happy a little while before his time is up to live.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Suseeq (Sydney Australia) on 03/27/2014

Denise, yeast is hard to kill off completely. My jack russel has been suffering for 9 years. Beside the fresh food diet I have wetting a cloth and rubbing him down with straight Milton but putting a elizabethian collar on him. I also hit his immune system with 1000mg vit c galic capsule, 5mls olive leaf extract, probotic capsule and4teas greek yoghurt per day. I feel at long last we are getting somewhere and we had good night sleeps with no scratching and bloody mess in the morning. May be you can find some help here.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/28/2014

Hey Denise!

The dipping solution uses Borax [not botox! ] that I find in the laundry aisle at the super market. If there is an option to use a scented one, you want the plain one with no additives.

And for the eyes consider a boric acid wash; you may be able to find a boric acid eye wash or eye rinse at your local drug store, but if not you can make your own.

Purchase boric acid powder at your local pharmacy. Ask the pharmacist for "medicinal" boric acid powder. (There is another type, which is used as a bug-killer.)

Supplies needed:

  • 1 level teaspoon of Boric Acid Powder (medicinal quality)
  • 1 cup boiling water in a Pyrex or glass measuring cup
  • Cotton balls
  • Small clean bowl


Boil one cup water and in the glass measure cup add one level teaspoon of Boric Acid Powder; stir until dissolved and allow to cool to a lukewarm temperature. Next pour ¼ cup of the cooled solution into a small clean bowl. Soak a cotton ball in the solution and apply to affected eye, cleaning away discharge from the eye. Throw used cotton ball away after one use. Repeat using new cotton ball until all the gunk is cleared from the eye. Try to flood the eye with the solution and wipe face with a clean towel. If only one eye is affected you should cleanse both eyes with the solution to prevent the infection from spreading to the unaffected eye. Repeat procedure at least twice a day, in the morning and before bed at night. Eye infections usually take two or three days to resolve themselves using this treatment.
Store unused portions of eyewash in the glass measuring cup - just cover with plastic wrap to keep it sanitary.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 10/11/2015

Hello Joy!

The best advice I can give you is to go see your vet. They can do a 'snap' test for around $50 - and this will tell you if you are dealing with heart worms. There are other heart conditions that are accompanied by a cough such as congestive heart failure; it would be sad for you to treat for heartworm if your dog is not infected with them. The VRM2 product is not in-expensive and depending on the size of your dog, the purchase price of enough of the VRM2 product to fully treat your dog may well exceed the cost of a vet appointment. Please see your vet for a heartworm test before you begin treating for heartworm.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Wendy (Bedfordshire) on 01/07/2016

I've read a few replies and cannot see anybody having mentioned that garlic is only safe for dogs in very low quantities!

The entire Allium family of plants (onions, chives, leeks, shallots and so on) are highly toxic to dogs, so only the smallest amounts should ever be given.

DO NOT go feeding your dog multiple cloves! (I only say this so people are fully warned :-) )

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Suzan (Missouri) on 09/05/2017

By 'bacterial soap', I assume you meant anti-bacterial soap. If so, this could be why your dog's yeast outbreak doesn't disappear. Our natural bacterial levels is what fights yeast getting over-populated in an on our bodies. This is why antibiotics usually cause yeast infections. You might try replacing the soap with a little cold pressed, extra- virgin, organic coconut oil.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Jean (Kentucky, US) on 04/22/2014 28 posts

The DE is great stuff, but will not work for heartworms because they are in the circulatory system and not the intestines.

I agree with all hear who have posted about going the alternative route. I am using HWF for my dog who is a cocker spaniel mix.

She was diagnosed with heartworms when I took her in to find out why she was coughing. She was also somewhat reluctant to eat. I did not have her on a preventative*. Then the vet urged me to go the usual route, three shots a month apart, strict rest, carry her out to urinate/defecate, etc. I told her I would rather go the alternative route as I generally prefer holistic treatment. We compromised on a steroid shot for relief from her coughing and a round of antibiotic, plus the holistic treatment with a six month check for heartworms.

I learned from research that there is a bacteria host with the heartworms. So, working with our vet, I have given my dog a round of 30 days on Doxycycline. The antibiotic (which is a tetracycline) basically destroys the eggs and larvae. The adult worms are sterilized from the treatment. So now I am left with a dog with adult worms in her.

The HWF is a mixture of black seed, hawthorne, sorrel, licorice, garlic, hops, apricot pits, grapefruit seed extract, and flavoring. Its a liquid that I drop onto bread. She eats it without problem. (She loves bread! ) It is made by Ambertech. It was developed as an alternative to the harsh vet treatment. It does not contain the wormwood or black walnut because some dog breeds are sensitive/allergic to those ingredients.

Like all of you posting here, I am hoping she is being successfully treated and the heartworms are dying off. The danger is stroke or heart attack when the worms die off. Remember, the worms are in the arteries/veins, not the intestines. So, the decomposing worms are eliminated through the kidneys. So, do not let your dog go for long walks or chasing after critters. Keep him/her somewhat quiet.

Herbs and supplements helping the kidneys, heart and respiratory system are all good here. You just need to use common sense and consistent thoughtful treatment.

This is what I am doing. So far, so good. We are about a month into it and she seems better. I'll be happy to post more as we go along if anyone is interested in her progress.

*As it turns out, there is really no preventative because if they are bitten by an infected mosquito, they are bitten, the mosquito does not discriminate between a dog on preventative or not. I believe garlic and/or brewers yeast would be a better choice for prevention. A mosquito does not like the smell that a person or any other animal puts off when they have ingested either one of those. No guarantees for anyone here, but I know from personal experience that brewers yeast kept me from being bitten by black flies on a canoe trip I took many years ago. My fellow canoeist was being eaten alive, I was never touched. She was furious that they were attacking her. I had been on a health kick with the brewers yeast. After some research, I found it was a natural deterrent.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 04/22/2014

Hey Jean!

Please do keep us updated on your dog's heartworm condition.

And you may wish to google VRM2 - folks have reported great results with this herbal formulation.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Jean (Ky, US) on 05/20/2014 28 posts

Hi Theresa, Thanks for reaffirming the belief in VRM2. I ordered 2 bottles for my dog and switched her to the VRM2. She just completed a 10 day cycle yesterday. She seems to be about the same as with the HWF treatment. It does seem as if the VRM2 is a bit stronger though. It is soooo hard to be patient here.

I am following this regime while on the 10 day cycle. She gets 1/2 capsule of the VRM2,1/2 capsule of hawthorne berry and 1/2 capsule of yucca. Then she also gets one to two capsules of serrapeptase. The yucca has been mentioned as a holistic steroid for canines. The serrapeptase helps clean up the blood, slightly thinning it and helps clear out any dying, dead worms. I believe the serrapeptase helps greatly with reducing her coughing. She is also on a kidney support tincture. She is about 25 pounds.

I do believe this is a gradual process. It sure beats what the vet advocates. I intend on doing at least one more round of the VRM2 after four more days. The scariest part of this is you can never be certain that it is working. I am using her responses to gauge what is going on. She does seem to have her usual energy, alertness, and interest in normal activities. I believe keeping observant and watching out for coughing is the best way to know how she is doing. I increase the serrapeptase if I think she is coughing too much. I will take her in to be tested in another month or two. The vet agreed to test her at four months after treatment.

I will post again after the test. Thanks again, everyone who has posted. It sure helps to read what everyone says.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 05/20/2014

Hey Jean!

Please do keep us posted on your results! I do want to mention that everything that I have read from the company on this product is that it must be done for 4-6 cycles [some insist on 6] to completely clear the infection out.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Jholl (Louisville, Ky) on 06/29/2014 28 posts

Another update on our dog. She had a breathing incident a few weeks ago. She started panting hard and was lethargic. We picked her up and rushed her into the vet. Many dollars and hours later we came and got her. She was put on oxygen, given a prednisone shot, a chest xray, another heartworm test and a complete blood test. She did not have a heart attack or a stroke. Her lungs were clear and her heart normal. The xrays showed her pulmonary artery was still enlarged and her heart was just starting to enlarge somewhat. Her heartworm test was still positive.

This past week she went to a holistic vet in our area. She is now on Cellfood, two homeopathic medicines, wobenzyme-n, and a few other things. I think these new supplements are helping her enormously. She seems so much better. Her coughing is now about gone and her energy is getting better as well. We go back to our holistic vet in another 3 weeks. I feel she is going to finally recover from this. I'll post again if there is more to learn here. Thanks for all the support and good info earthclinic posters!

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 04/17/2015

Hey Jholl!

Thank you for this amazing update! KUDOS to you for finding the combination of remedies both conventional and alternative that work for YOU and your DOG. There is NO one right way, and if both wholistic and western approaches are what it takes to heal your dog, I applaud you for finding what works for YOU.

Please keep us posted!!

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Sharon (Sanford) on 08/22/2015

I just read your story and intend to try this starting tomorrow, just found out today one of our dogs has heartworms, but has to be very mild bc she has no symptoms what so ever! Is there anything else you can tell me to help.

Posted by Bempierre (California) on 08/17/2014

Ivermectin is not a natural remedy and can be toxic and very harmful if not administered properly: See www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-health/dogs-invermectin-overdoes

Black Walnut, Garlic, Wormwood
Posted by Pat (Arkansas) on 07/02/2016

Far too late to help the original message but this may help others.

I swapped from prednisone to yucca years ago to help with the cough. The prednisone had him eating like a horse and peeing like one as well. You couldn't feed him enough nor give him enough water. He was as big as a barn and had begun knawing at his forlegs from the side effects. Almost immediately he returned to normal.

Just be careful of the dosage. Weight/150 yields the percentage of a human dose.

Black Walnut, Wormwood, Dandelion, B12, Parsley, Garlic
Posted by Bempierre (Adelanto, Ca) on 07/18/2012

I wanted to add that VRM2 ingredients are as follows:

black walnut (leaves), Kamala (whole), Quassia chips (bark), Bromelain Enzyme, Bethylnut, and wormwood (whole).

Don't follow the directions on the bottle because it was designed for humans. I gave for 14 days with a heart support (capsule) for this dog. You can do again months down the road if you want. I had a lot left from 1 bottle so I did my other dogs later to kill any parasites that they may have contracted. Hope this helps, because it worked a miracle for this dog.

Also since I returned to California I have not given any heartworm preventatives to any of my dogs or have I ever had to here. I had them checked when I moved to San Antonio (the ones I took with me) and they came up negative.

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Kaley (San Diego, Ca) on 02/01/2011

BOOPS: What a great post! Thank you for putting all that info up! I've been using herbs my whole life and I love to hear uses for dogs. I have two boxers. Our youngest (1yr 1/2) has had some weight issues since he was born. I've been trying different things but I'm about to start a black walnut hull regimine this month. Your dosage info was just what I needed, most of the time the suggested amounts are vague and I hate to estimate with such a broad amount. I never thought of the artemisia! I'm so excited about your results and I can't wait to try it.

I recently had the worst vet experience this week. My boxer (same one) tore/broke his dewclaw and had to have emergency surgery to have them removed. It was hard for me and stressful. The worst part was the vet only cared about lecturing me on my practices of using herbal treatments on my dog. Both my dogs are on great diets-never table food, raw and organic kibble and same for the treats. Well the vet told me I'm basically feeding my dog twinkies! She scolded me on how terrible a raw diet is and everything. I really believe she isn't educated enough because she kept contradicting herself the whole time. She didn't even update me on how my dogs stitches were healing, she kept dodging my questions and focusing on his diet. It was awful and I will never go back. But thank you for your post I really found it to be helpful and just wanted you to know that!

Multiple Remedies
Posted by Jb (Atlanta, Ga Usa) on 08/22/2011

To Kaley, Your Vet said you were feeding TWINKIES?! ? OMG! I could understand that IF you were feeding Purina, Old Roy, Alpo or some such garbage as that. INCREDIBLE! Glad to hear you won't be putting any more $$$$ in this Vet's pocket.

Hulda Clark's Remedies
Posted by Christel (Nolanville, Tx, United States) on 03/30/2010
3 out of 5 stars

Better But With Side Effects

I have searched for weeks, even months to try and find something to resemble this strange phenomenon occuring to my 2 female dogs. Anything I have found resemble some of their symptoms, but never this strange phenomenon of their coat turning dull, thinning and then turning a reddish brown. Even when I shave them down, the red tint is still there. It seems to be in the skin as well. Just recently I found one reference to this turning of color in connection with a skin condition called sebaceous adenitis. It is a condition where the glands in the skin responsible for keeping the skin and coat moisturized are destroyed. There is no cure, just a regimen to manage the condition. However, they said that it is not supposed to be itchy. But my girls always scratch. There might be underlying conditions though. I changed their diet to raw about 1 1/2 years ago. I've tried many different things to try and relieve their itching, but everything has been short lived. I have 3 other dogs with skin conditions which is most likely yeast. But with them also, anything I do is short lived.
About 2 months ago I took my 2 girls to get them spayed, but I returned home with them intact. They were diagnosed with heartworm (which is soemthing the clinic tests for before performing the surgery), and they won't do the surgery on positive dogs. So I set out to see if there is something I could use besides 'arsen' to help my girls. I started out with chinese herbs, but quickly realized that financially I could not continue this treatment for the necessary period of time if it was to be successful. I treated all my dogs, not just Sadie and Mae, because the likelyhood of them having heartworm was/is great, since I live in TX and mosquitos are everpresent. I had read on this site that some people had used black walnut hull and wormwood. Well, I found a regimen per Hulda Clark, whom I researched extensively and was and still am quite impressed with. So after 2 weeks of chinese, all my dogs are now into their 3rd week of Hulda Clark's treatment. So I would say my dogs have had the benefit of herbal medicine for 4 weeks . And I am beginning to see the benefits. The regimen is all about cleaning the body, getting rid of toxins and parasites, and supporting and strengthening the immune system. The itching has become less, the foul odor is not as prevalent, and the bumps and scabs and flakes are drying up and healing. I know we have a long road ahead of us, but I firmly believe we are on the right track. Oh, besides the skin issues, some of the affected dogs have also developed mild to severe ear problems, which seem to be getting better as well. One of my dogs, Charlie, who was a stray and was suffering from severe ear infection when I rescued him, has also always had skin issues. But he always responded remarkably well to immune support treatment, as he is again now. I am almost convinced that the only reason my dogs have begun to suffer from all these different ailments, gradually, but steady getting worse, is that they have probably had the parasite in them for quite a while, but have maintained without showing clinical signs because I have always given them bentonite clay. But that just wasn't enough for them not to get worse. And with that, their immune system slowly but surely went south. So for anyone interested, here is Hulda Clark's regimen:

Pet Parasite Program

All dosages are based on a 10 pound cat or dog. Double them for a 20 pound pet, and so forth.

1. Parsley water: cook a big bunch of fresh parsley in a quart of water for 3 minutes. Throw away the parsley. After cooling, you may freeze most of it in several 1 cup Containers. This is a month's supply. Put 1 tsp. parsley water on the pet's food. You don't have to watch it go down. Whatever amount is eaten is satisfactory.

Pets are so full of parasites, you must be quite careful not to deparasitize too quickly. The purpose of the parsley water is to keep the kidneys flowing well so dead parasite refuse is eliminated promptly. They get quite fond of their parsley water. Perhaps they can sense the benefit it brings them. Do this for a week before starting the Black Walnut Hull Tincture.

2. Black Walnut Hull Tincture (regular strength): 1 drop on the food. Don't force them to eat it. Count carefully. Treat cats only twice a week. Treat dogs daily, for instance a 30 pound dog would get 3 drops per day (but work up to it, increasing one drop per day). Do not use Extra Strength [or dilute it 1:4].

If your pet vomits or has diarrhea, you may expect to see worms. This is extremely infectious and hazardous. Never let a child clean up a pet mess. Begin by pouring salt and iodine ( ³Povidone ² iodine, topical antiseptic, is available in most drug stores) on the mess and letting it stand for 5 minutes before cleaning it up. Clean up outdoor messes the same way. Finally, clean your hands with diluted grain alcohol (dilute 1 part alcohol with 4 parts water). Grain alcohol is actually ethyl alcohol that has been made by fermenting grain. In some countries sugar cane is used to make ethyl alcohol. A common brand in the United States is Everclear. But be careful. The smaller flask sizes are polluted with solvents from the pumping and filling processes, no doubt. Choose the 750 ml or 1 liter bottle which is, evidently, bottled differently. Be careful to keep all alcohol out of sight of children; don't rely on discipline for this. Be careful not to buy isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol for this purpose.

Start the wormwood a week later.

3. Wormwood capsules: (200-300 mg wormwood per capsule) open a capsule and put the smallest pinch possible on their dry food. Do this for a week before starting the cloves.

4. Cloves: put the smallest pinch possible on their dry food. Keep all of this up as a routine. Also, notice how peppy and happy they become.

Go slowly so the pet can learn to eat all of it. To repeat:

Week 1: parsley water.
Week 2: parsley water and black walnut.
Week 3: parsley water, black walnut, and wormwood.
Week 4: parsley water, black walnut, wormwood, and cloves.

Pets should not stroll on counters or table. They should eat out of their own dishes, not yours. They should not sleep on your bed. The bedroom should be off limits to pets. Don't kiss your pets. Wash your hands after playing with your pet. NEVER, NEVER share food with your pet. Don't keep a cat box in the house; install a cat door. Wear a dust-mask when you change the cat box. lf you have a sandbox for the children, buy new sand from a lumber yard and keep it covered. Don't eat in a restaurant where they sweep the carpet while you are eating (the dust has parasite eggs tracked in from outside). Never let a child crawl on the sidewalk or the floor of a public building. Wash children's hands before eating. Eat "finger" foods with a fork. If feasible, leave shoes at the door.

Solvents are just as bad for your pet as for you. Most flavored pet foods are polluted with solvents such as carbon tetrachloride, benzene, isopropyl alcohol, wood alcohol, etc. Don't buy flavored pet food. Pets add a great deal to human lives. Get rid of the parasites, not the pets, unless you are ill.

From: "The Cure for All Cancers", page 26.


I personally use the powder form of the black walnut hull instead of the tincture. I use 1 teaspoon (my dogs are 55-65lbs) mixed with their food.

I also don't use the wormwood capsules, but purchased instead the dried herb and make a tea. 2 teaspoons to 1 cup of water. Boil the water, add the herb, let steep about 20 min. I am starting out with 1 tblsp
and plan to work up to 2 tblsps. We haven't started on the cloves yet, but I purchased whole cloves and will grind them myself (with a coffe grinder-you can also use mixer) so it is always fresh. I keep all herbs in the fridge in a glass jar. The extra goes in the freezer until I need it. I have also researched other herbs and am adding turmeric for the digestion and it's antiarthritic effects (1/4 tsp), burdock root for the blood and skin (a pinch), pau d'arco concoction as a natural antibiotic and to aid liver function (1 tblsp-I make the concoction from the dried herb-4 tsps dried herb added to 1 quart boiling water, let simmer about 45 min, strain. I also use this concoction mixed 50/50 with extra virgin olive oil for their ears with great results). The concoction is stronger than tea. And last but not least I add 1/4 tsp of hawthorn berry powder for heart health.

Last but not least I still wonder if anyone has had the experience with their dog's skin/coat turning red, cause I'm still really baffled by this.

Black Walnut/Wormwood Extract
Posted by Randy (Belmont, NC) on 06/07/2009

Thanks for alls input my 85 pound 1/2 rotty 1/2 timber 10 1/2 years was just diagnosed with heartworms vet put him on prednisose and a blood pressure reducer nothing for the heartworms thanks to all of your input he is now on 15 drops each of black walnut hull extract and woodworm (HERBALS) twice daily i will keep all posted I really hope this works

Heartworm Prevention Tips
Posted by Tami (New Albany, Indiana) on 03/29/2012

I have a Bishon Frise who gets extremely sick after taking Interceptor, a heartworm medication. His vomit contains small blood clots and he will be sick for days. He also becomes itchy with hot spots. I stopped all heartworm meds in November of 2011 and all symptoms ceased. What is VCO? And how is it used? I will definitely use garlic, but how much and how often do I give the garlic? Are there directories to help me locate a Holistic vet?

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 09/10/2015

Hey Maria!

The company that sells the VRM2 also sells additional supplements for organ health as your dog detoxes from the worms. You might contact the company for directions on dosage too.

Podophyllum Peltatum
Posted by Nancy (Houston, Texas) on 05/01/2008
5 out of 5 stars

I bought some homeopathic medicine from the health food store, so this is not a home remedy, but it prevented a vet trip with meds, so I thought I might pass it on. My 7 yr old lab started acting sick, then her BM was pure water, so I looked for homeopathic medicine, and found Podophyllum Peltatum. For humans it would be 5 pellets under the tongue for diarreha, but I crushed 5 pellets and mixed it in her food. I did it twice. Within 24 hours, she had a almost normal BM with a lot of dead long worms. It was disgusting, but I am guessing they were intestinal worms. 24 hrs later she is back to normal. Before giving it to her, I looked up the ingredients on line, and it said the medicine used to be used for worms, but I did not know she had them. I used to give her garlic on a regular basis, but I kept reading stuff that said garlic was not good for dogs, so I quit giving garlic to her, without replacing it with something else. I am glad to read on your site that many folks still give their dogs garlic, I will start that again. This was the first time I bought a homeopathic medicine, and it worked so quickly, I was so grateful. Not too expensive, about six bucks for 80 pellets or so. I will keep it on hand for emergencies. Thanks for your great site.

Podophyllum Peltatum
Posted by Christel (Nolanville, Tx, United States) on 03/31/2010

They were probably roundworms, the most common intestinal worms found in dogs. As for all the hype about garlic for dogs, I've been giving mine garlic (either fresh crushed or powder-NEVER the salt) for years for just that purpose:natural deworming. I haven't seen an intestinal worm in years. It's just like with everything else: Anything (edible) taken in good measure won't hurt you. One clove for about a 50lb dog will not hurt. I would definitely keep it up, as the mosquitos are coming. We both live in TX and know what that means. All the best and thanks for sharing!

Posted by Rachael (New Mexico) on 06/30/2015

I am about to order VRM2-sm made by Bio Challenge, but in the meantime am giving my dog black walnut hull tincture. Like the garlic, it kills worms, plus other parasites. It cured my cats of an ailment none of the vets could figure out (sadly two kitties died before the cure was found) and it will help you until can get the VRM2-sm.
Good luck to you :-)

I am not a vet, just a very educated pet parent :-)

Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 01/16/2016

I would try adding colloidal silver to his water. I give my large dog large amounts when he is sick. A few Tablespoons several time a day. (I have a Colloidal sliver generator and make my own.)

I have also used Mullein/Hyssop/Comfrey tea for animals with coughing. (Calves, to be exact.) It helped them a lot! You may have trouble finding all of those herbs, but even just the mullein would be helpful. Most health food stores would have it in tea bags. I would give it several times a day, a cup worth each time for a large dog. (It is mild tasting enough that it could be used in place of water. If you want to use the colloidal silver, just add it to the mullein tea.)

I hope he feels better soon!

~Mama to Many~

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 01/17/2016

Hello Tammy,

My best advice to you is to take your dog to the vet and get a diagnosis. Once you know *why* your dog is coughing you can then find an appropriate remedy. Your dog may be coughing due to heart worms, or congestive heart failure - two very different conditions that require different treatments and home remedies. It is best to find out why he is coughing and then search out the remedy. JMHO!

Posted by Bempierre/ Brenda (Ca Previous San Antonio) on 01/18/2016

I wish that I would have seen these posts when they were new, but I was never alerted when anyone replied to one of my comments. I am writing now so that other people can understand a bit better on the VRM2. When giving to your dog, I would not exceed 3 capsules a day. I was giving an example when I said my 7 pound dog was cured with 1/2 a capsule a day for the 14 days. You would not use that 7 divided into the weight of your dog. The max for a adult human a day is 2 to 3 capsules, so keep that in mind when you decide how much to give you dog. If the dog is 50Lbs I would give 1 to 2 capsules depending how advanced the heart worm.

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Charlena (Brent, Al) on 09/03/2012

I'm back on the forum, still trying to help my dog that has heartworms. After reading your post, something dawned on me. I've used garlic about 6 - 8 weeks now, and used black walnut/wormwood mixture a few days at a time too. My dog seemed better but started coughing again and it just won't stop. When you asked about arsenic, a light went on :) I remebered also giving my dog BITTER apricot kernels for a few days. She was much better, not coughing at all. In fact I slipped and didn't keep giving the garlic everyday. When she started coughing again I gave ger garlic twice daily plus the black walnut. Ten days later, she is still coughing. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't working. I've started her back on the apricot kernels because they contain arsenic and I believe that was what helped her so much last month. I bought Apricot Power kernels, they are very bitter and my dog loves them. She weighs 20lbs so I give her 3 kernels daily. I feel its a safe natural arsenic.

p.s. Swanson apricot kernels are sweet, not bitter. I used those for other purposes but you need BITTER kernels for heartworms, cancer etc. Hope this helps someone and thank you for reminding me about the arsenic.

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Bemperre (Adelanto, Ca) on 02/19/2013

I need to add when using VRM2 that you don't feed red meat cooked or uncooked as it will absorb the product and it will be less effective. I fed only cooked chicken in a lamb and rice dog food moistened because of my dog not having any teeth. I did not feed any treats or people food. Hope this helps for those who may not have been able to cure in a 14 day run. Hope this helps.

Black Walnut Extract
Posted by Dbrent (Covington) on 08/18/2014
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I am looking for information on how many who have used the VRM-2 treatment have had clear heartworm tests. How many cycles of VRM-2 were needed for your dogs?

Black Walnut, Garlic, Wormwood
Posted by Michelle (WestPalm Beach, Florida) on 11/24/2008

My dog Bella was diagnosed with heartworms back in June. We adopted her in March and from what I understand it takes about 6 months for heartworms to develop. The vet said she must have gotten them around February since the test came back medium positive, meaning the heartworms were there but not so intense yet. So since we couldn't afford her treatment we haev been doing research on other options, and then I came across this site adn bingo finally found a treatment worth trying. I am following the Black Walnut,and wormwood treatment. I bought the drops from a health food store and follwed the directions on the bottle. My dog is 80/85 lbs so I followed human directions. Smaller dogs I am sure will need less. I did read a book on these ingredients and this is the same treatment to rid worms in humans as well when combined of course. So I started a week ago and I will continue for about a month and then I will take her in for a retest to check status. Here is the treatment I am giving her:


Black Walnut Hull - 30 drops (or one dropper full)

Wormwood - 20-25 drops (almost a dropper full)

I tried puting it in her food but I have a smaller dog that eats out of her bowl so I stopped doing that just in case if it was too much for my little one. I tried putting it in her mouth but that didn't go so well, so now I take a piece of bread and put the drops on the bread and fold it in half and either put a slice of cheese in it or I spread some peanut butter since she loves that. She takes it twice a day.

I decided not to do the garlic thing quite yet I will see after the check up.

As a side note Bella did get horrible gas with in twenty four hours of starting this remedy. It subsided but is still there. Goodluck and may God Bless!

Do your research and ask lots of questions.

Black Walnut, Garlic, Wormwood
Posted by Christel (Nolanville, Tx, United States) on 04/01/2010

I am currently following a regimen by Hulda Clark. Besides Black Walnut Hull and woodworm it also includes cloves. Black walnut and woodworm kill the adult worms, and cloves kill off the larvae and eggs. She says that they all must be used together in order to work efficiently. Makes sense. Just like with fleas, the real problem is not the adult flea but the various stages they go through before they become adults. I am only in my 3rd week with my dogs, but I am already seeing improvement with some of the secondary problems my dogs have been having. Various sites have the regimen listed, just google Hulda Clark pet parasite cleanse and you will find it. I posted the regimen here, maybe a search for Hulda Clark will get you to it here as well.

Black Walnut Hull
Posted by Mary (Magnolia, TX) on 08/11/2006
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My Rottweiller was diagnosed with canine leukemia 2 1/2 years ago. Atthat time they gave her 6 months to live. We gave her 1 treatment of Chemoand steroids at Texas A&M University. After that I decided I would neverdo that again. I went online and started searching for anything that couldhelp her. Through a combination of natural treatments she is still alivetoday and feeling better than she did before she was diagnosed. At thetime of her diagnosis I took her off all poisons including heart wormpreventatives and annual shots. She hasn't had a blood test in over a yearnow, I don't see that it is necessary. A while back I noticed she wasgetting lethargic and pale in her mouth. That is when I put her on BlackWalnut Hull for heartworms (she also gets Kelp). I noticed almostimmediately that her color was better and she stopped coughing andbreathing hard when she moved around too much. I do notice that if shegets too much it does upset her stomach. I would like more information onthis treatment if you could supply it. Meg turned 11 last month and shestill chases the squirrels in our yard. She's not as fast as she used tobe but she's good for short bursts. I would not race her! Thanks,

Black Walnut Hull
Posted by Rhonda (Castleberry, AL)


Black Walnut Hull
Posted by Bempierre (Adelanto (former San Antonio Tx) Ca) on 02/16/2014

Dear Justme,

People on this site who are looking for alternative cures are usually a little more open minded and have weighed the the difference between expensive deadly products from the Vet or try a different approach. If it wasn't for this site, I would not have found VRM2 by accident at the health store when I went in to look for blackwalnut, woodworm, etc. from what I read here. I was just lucky that the person at the health store had a product called VRM2 that had everythiing I was looking for in it. I also use garlic and have used garlic on my dogs. Using garlic is not toxic if used properly and will help strengthen the heart. Even though I did not use any garlic while treating with VRM2, I have used it plenty of other times.

Theresa explains this well.

There are still people out there that think that what your Vet and Doctor say is bible. Just raised that way I guess, but Dr.'s have guessed at treatments forever and killed a lot of people and animals in the process. Then they learn from their mistakes. I learned this well when my mother was on hormone therapy that caused her to die from a rare cancer in 1999. You don't see advertisements for that anymore!

If there was not natural cures for heartworm, our wildlife would be dropping off like flies. Especially in the warmer climates like Texas and anywhere where heat and humidity are high for most of the year. Wild animals naturally know what to eat. Also, it was not too long ago that natural medicine was frowned upon as quackery and now people (as a whole) are a little more educated and have the resources to learn and talk about their experences.

Love this site for all the positive people and their valuable information!

Heartworm Prevention
Posted by Naomi (Missouri) on 05/21/2021

I have a 9lb. maltipoo. As a heartworm preventative, I've purchased black walnut and wormwood proprietary blend that also has cloves (It's the 3rd ingredient.) and Sweet Annie in the ingredients. I've read that cloves is dangerous for dogs? Is this safe for her and what dosage would I use and for how long? Thank you for your help.

Ayurveda Parasite and Heartworm Remedy
Posted by Molov127 (Usa) on 09/09/2020
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Ayurvedic herbs are safe for dogs or cats and work slowly and gently. They can be given without needing to take a break at all until 60-90 days of dosing.

For Parasitic cleansing (including heartworm)

for 50-65lb dog..

Twice a day, give - 1/4t Vidanga, 1/8 t neem, 1/8t turmeric, and (optional for summertime; or if not summer then always for dogs with very oily skin or who are thirsty all the time)-> 1/4 t guduchi satva'

If premixing all herbs and storing in glass jar, then mix all herbs to ratio 2:2:1:1 vidanga/guduchi/turmeric/neem... simply take 3/4t or heaping 1/2 t and dump in food twice a day with food. give up to 3 times a day no more.

Cats give 1/4 tsp level of the mix once a day in food mixed well, no more

Continue 7 days

Then on 7th night give 1/4 cup ginger water boiled with 1/2inch ginger root sliced and boiled 10 min with 1 tbsp castor oil (organic).. with this give a little bread or food to soak it up if they think it's too spicy but most likely the castor oil will make them ignore spicyness (cats give 1 tbsp ginger water with 1/2-1 tsp castor oil in a bit of their food)

Provide a ready route in environment for animal to use the bathroom to expel the initial die off of parasites. leave dog door open, put cat box near where cat sleeps, etc. newspaper near animals beds

From here continue regimen cut in half for 60-90 days

1/8 tsp for cats once a day with food

heaping 1/4 tsp for dogs up to 3x a day with food

I like to make and add a splash parsley water (2 bunches boiled to a quart for 3-4 m)

or a splash of burdock and dandelion root boiled into tea I get from backyard chopped down (doesnt have to be diced small) and boiled for 10 m and left to steep 10 m.. use 2 roots from each plant for a quart of water

use these teas to keep the kidneys flowing so their body can keep up with detox . I give tea a week and stop a week. if water is clean enough, or the animals have an excellent diet (not kibble) or they have access to browse outside daily on grasses and herbs... then tea isnt totally necessary

sometimes I make a tea from all three parsley burdock dandelion. just a few tbsp for dogs and just a few tsp for cats

These herbs will cause less irritability than cloves and wormwood to the animals skin and liver. not that those herbs are not good. they can just be a little extreme over time. I personally used the wormwood walnut and clove remedy with sucess and several years of clean heartworm tests. if anything, rotate between the walnut/wormwood/clove cure and this cure when they get irritable from the clove base remedy(with kidney teas mention above)

These Ayurvedic herbs can be purchased relatively cheap online. please only buy organic or wild harvested powders... some companies grow these herbs in the non traditional way and use pesticides or GMO... could harm pet worse than doing nothing.

Once regimen concludes, take a break. I would research heartworm season in your area and dose steadily all season with one week breaks here and there.

Turmeric is optional in this remedy and is only included to balance out bad bacteria, and/or potentiate (amplify) the effects of the other herbs

Ayurveda Parasite and Heartworm Remedy
Posted by Ashley (Sanford, NC) on 11/08/2021

Oh no- I give my bulldog abt 1/4 tsp daily of turmeric with a raw egg and green lipped mussel oil. I didn't know it could cause anemia. Should I stop giving her turmeric every day? I give it as preventative and anti-inflammatory?

Posted by Raye (Houston, Texas) on 07/24/2017

Hello! I have a 7 year old Lhasa Apso/Shih Tzu mix breed dog that tested positive for adult heartworms 4 days ago. He hasn't shown any symptoms but treatment was $1000 which is out of my budget! I found this site and I've ordered the VRM 2. I also read that I should get some Bio Function H and Bio Function K. My dog is 16.6 pounds. What would be the recommended dosage of these products and the duration? Also, do I need to get him anything else? I just don't want my Cooper to die!

Posted by Monica (San Juan, Pr) on 09/28/2018

The VRM2 recommendation for heartworm in dogs, can it also be used for cats?

Posted by Bempierre (Ca) on 05/23/2016

Giving 6 pills a day was way extreme. The treatment for dogs is a 14 day cycle (one time only) And not to exceed 3 capsules in one day. A 60 lb dog should have been good on 2 capsules. Preferably given in the eve in a small amount of food (like a tablespoon of wet chicken base dog food ) no red meat, or pork. This includes sandwich meats. These meats are known to absorb the product.

Posted by Irina (Ca) on 07/24/2016 11 posts

Where can I find info re/ 14 day cycle? I spoke to VRM2 people and they suggested 3 cycles 10 days/5 days off with 2 pills daily (my dog is 41 lbs). Thanks in advance. I am glad I found this site with people sharing their experience.

Posted by Faye (Tennessee) on 09/06/2015
5 out of 5 stars

I have used the VRM2 for my small dog and it has worked to get rid of the heart worms.

Has anyone had any success with eliminating the fluid buildup around the tummy area? I have used Lasix without success. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.

Posted by Lorie (Oregon) on 11/16/2015

I just purchased the vrm2 to rid my dog of heartworm. She weighs about 15 lbs. How much should I give her?

Posted by Megs888 (Tennessee) on 11/28/2015

Faye, I am having the same issue with my senior pitbull mix. This summer, she had developed the characteristic cough and had become very, very lethargic. Took her to the vet and she tested positive for heartworms. I started her on VRM2 (3 per day) on July 20. Within 3 days she was running, playing, jumping everywhere again. That stuff is incredible! We completed 4 rounds of it (10 days on, 5 days off). I also want to thank Brenda in CA for her info/help on this forum as well! She is exceptional.

Our sweet Gretchen has now (since early October) developed abdominal swelling, and I'm guessing it's from the damage the worms had already done to her heart...I wish I had supplemented with Hawthorne, CoQ10, or some Traditional Chinese Medicine Heart/Lung Qi supplements. A vet told me they could drain the fluid, but it would come back even worse than before. She is still ravenously eating and drinking. Still playing and exploring - just a little slower because of the increased weight/fluid. I'm sorry to hear your Lasix wasn't successful. Have you tried any other herbs successfully? Is there anything out there that actually REPAIRS and strengthens damaged heart muscle?

Posted by Ginny (Memphis, Tn) on 07/07/2015

Oh my goodness - thank you for clarifying that for me. This is my first experience with heart worms so I just assumed that's what they were.

Posted by Julie (New Orleans, La) on 07/18/2015

This sounds like a promising solution! Did you ever follow up with the vet?

Posted by Jill (Hixson, Tn) on 07/31/2015

I have 2 pugs that just tested positive for heartworm. One is 19lbs and the other is 24lbs. Can you please tell me the dosage of VRM2 that I need to give them and for how long? Thank You! Jill Johnson

Posted by Ginny (Southaven, Ms) on 08/20/2015

All, I used 2 rounds of the VRM2 with my dog. How long do I wait before giving her another test and if it still shows positive, do I do another round? Is there anyone on here who has had recent success with the VRM2?

I'm considering the method of giving her the antibiotic for 30 days, then 2 Heartguard pills a month for 6 months, with one more 30 day round of the antibiotic the 3rd month.

She has a slight cough but no other symptoms and she's been on Heart worm preventative her whole life. They offered to pay for the treatment but of course that's the arsenic and I don't want to do that. So my questions are:

1) Anyone used the VRM2 but had to do more than one treatment?

2) Opinion of the other above method?

3) When to test again?

Thank you!

Posted by Joyce (California) on 02/16/2016

When you say do it for 14 days, that it. What do you mean? The treatment doesnt end there, so what's the next step. I am so uneducated about heart worm so forgive my ignorance. But I am learning. I was going to go with HWF for treatment, but when I read your dog was only 7 lbs I decided to go with this because that how much my charlie weighs. Thank you.


Posted by Joyce (California ) on 03/01/2016

How many mg of the q10 did you give to your dog daily. Thanks, Jo

Posted by Brenda Turner (Ca Previous San Antonio) on 01/18/2016

I am sorry, but that information is not true for dogs. I was the first person to bring this product here to the forum. I have not been in here much at all since and I see that people are doing it according to the bottle and it should be for 14 days, not the 10 days on and 5 off etc. I am concerned that doing it according to the bottle may be too much for a dog. The company does not know the animal dosage because that is not their expertise.

When I first fell upon it by accident in Texas at a health store, I was instructed to give my small dog of 7 lbs - 1/2 a cap a day for 14 days. That is it. I also was given a heart support for her because she was so advanced. This treatment cured her. I feel you can give up to 3 capsules a day depending on the size and weight of the dog, but for 14 days only.

Posted by Juanie (Florida ) on 05/04/2016

Hi, I just received my VRM2 in the mail. I have been reading nonstop since my dog Otis (90 lb pit) was diagnosed with heartworm, I have been giving him a clove of garlic in the morning and in the evening, along with 100mg of CoQ10, and fish oil. My question is how much of the VRM2 should I give him and do I need to wait until he finishes his antibiotic from the vet before he starts it? I believe he gets 3per day for 14 days, while continuing the other vitamins.

Posted by Irina (Port Costa, Ca) on 07/12/2016

Just rescued a dog, she tested heart worm positive (don't know the stage yet, tomorrow is an x-ray), have been reading franticly trying to find natural alternative that works, looking into amber technology (HWF) and effective dog wellness (anyone tried it?). Looks like VRM 2 (don't know what it is) works?

Posted by Irina (Ca) on 07/13/2016 11 posts

So, your dog was cured after 14 days of VMR2? Do you give antibiotic prior to VMR2?

Posted by Maryellen (Boston Ma) on 08/02/2016

Hi I'm so happy to have found this forum. My 6 year old westie had a positive snap test 1 year ago but when the vet sent out for additional blood tests it came back negative. This year (now 1 year later)both the snap and the additional tests were positive. The microfilia however was negative. I also had an ultra sound and the vet saw no worms, He did think we should treat with the slow kill method because her oxygen levels were low after exercise and that "could very well" be from heartworms that he couldn't see. I'm just tired of every test we do having a disclaimer of accuracy. Anyway she is on the 1 month of doxy which is usually administered prior to the immiticide treatment. I really don't want to do that treatment and I KNOW she doesn't have a huge wormload because of the ultra sound.

I guess my question is should I start the vrm2 now while she is still on the doxy? Or wait till the doxy is done in 2 weeks??? Thanks in advance

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 08/03/2016

Thank you Irina for sharing your experience with VRM2! The dosing info straight from the company is much appreciated. Please for sure update your progress here as many will be watching and rooting for you!

Posted by Joan (Texas) on 09/16/2016

Would like to know how your fur baby is doing now and if the heart worm test was negative next time you had her tested. Thank you for sharing your story.

Posted by Irina (Ca) on 09/17/2016 11 posts

We finished 3 rounds of VRM2 on Sept. 5, now

I am continuing giving her garlic, once daily, plus HSSII (heart support) and also I give her Chinese formula Kidney support (will post the name later- It is recommended by Cheryl Schwartz in the book Four Paws, Five Directions: A Guide to chines Medicine for Cats and Dogs. And this week I also started to add some turmeric once a day (just a dash) plus (after reading on earthclinic page) serrapeptase.

As it is now, I am not sure whether she got more energy or she started to feel at home (we got her less than 3 months ago, someone dumped her in our village): she is running around now, even jumping and try to play with other dogs. At first (till recently) she was mainly lying down.

I'll do test beginning of December and will report. I also appreciate if anyone sees the report re. results of other protocols and draw my attention.

I really hope that treatment works!

Posted by Lisbeth (Pensacola, Fl) on 10/14/2016

Having worked as a vet tech for almost 20 years now you will NOT see heartworms. Those you saw are intestinal (stomach) worms. Heartworms stay in the heart & dissolve. Sometimes the vets get a bad batch of tests.

Posted by Irina (Ca) on 10/14/2016 11 posts

Lisbeth, What do you mean? If Knot test is done for heart worms - it will be not an indication? and heart worms can be seen in ultrasound too. Do you have a different experience? would you share, please. Thanks.

Posted by Irina (Ca) on 12/29/2016 11 posts
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VRM2 didn't clear heart worms, at least not 3 months after the treatment, I completed VRM2 protocol in September and tested the dog beginning of December, the test came positive. Maybe it takes longer, I am not sure. But now- after almost 4 month break from treatment, I am starting my dog on homeopathic protocol of Dr. Wessner. I hope it works.

Posted by Texas Animal Guardians (Wimberley, Texas) on 07/14/2017 2 posts

Brenda, thank you for clarifying the amount of time to take VRM2. The reason I found this forum is some devastating news I just received about a little Chihuahua that our organization (Texas Animal Guardians) pulled from the San Antonio animal shelter in February. Frankie was on the euthanasia list. I knew he was heartworm positive but I would never turn away a dog just because it's heartworm positive. Frankie is a small, 7 lb. Chihuahua mix, estimated to be only 2 years old. He was really sick though, urinating orange looking urine, emaciated and weak. I took him to our vet in San Marcos, she placed him on antibiotics with a "wait and see" about the heartworm treatment. He gained weight and perked up really nicely, he even started running around and playing. But his blood work continued to have a higher than normal platelet count, the rest of his blood work appeared "normal". She didn't want to start treatments until we got his platelet count down. Each month, at the time of his heartworm preventative (an ivermectin based pill such as Heartgard), he'd get ill. It would last maybe a week or so, then he'd perk back up again. Then just recently (after his July preventative) he got ill again. This time he didn't perk up. I took him to the vet again. They arranged for an ultrasound and we discovered to our horror that the little guy is in stage 4/5 of heartworm disease.

Let me state that this is a foster I have grown to love. I talked my husband into adopting him and we did, despite the fact that he's ill. We are willing to have the heart surgery done at Texas A & M, where they go in and remove each worm individually, BUT the vet says it's not going to do any good because the worms are in his liver too. I've been desperate! I searched the internet and came upon this forum. I just ordered the VRM2 from Northstar Chiropractic Natural Wellness Center in Illinois. (The product is no longer available on Amazon.)

What Brenda says is true, VRM2 is manufactured for humans, not animals. So it makes perfect sense that the course of treatment for dogs wouldn't be what's prescribed on the bottle. The bottle instructions are for humans, not dogs. In fact, VRM2 isn't intended to be used as a heartworm treatment.

Instead it's intended to treat internal parasites found in the human body. So, I appreciate you clarifying this Brenda for everyone that lands on this discussion thread. Frankie is now home. He's not eating yet but hopefully his appetite will increase now that he's back home. He's on Lasix, Doxycycline and on Metronidazole for the diarrhea he's experiencing (hopefully it's stress only related and not due to Giardia). I wish to goodness it were still available on Amazon since I have the Prime membership. I am anxious to get this started for Frankie's sake. I also ordered the kidney and heart support from the same company that you suggested.

Thank you for posting this remedy Brenda and sharing it with the rest of us. I will remain hopeful and I will certainly update the results as soon as I have something to report.

Posted by Irina (Port Costa, Ca) on 07/14/2017 11 posts

You also can call VRM2 people and they will recommend you a dose, good luck. I am still trying to cure my dog of heart worms, it has been a year, I am trying different protocols, in June she is was heart worm positive.

Posted by Texas Animal Guardians (Wimberley, Texas) on 07/16/2017 2 posts

What stage of HW disease is your dog in?

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Janet (Niagara Falls, Canada) on 03/03/2015

Where can I find out how much of each to give my dog for heartworm treatment?

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Karlie (Greenville, NC) on 03/19/2015

Hey there I see you used the black walnut and wormwood oil to treat your dog for heart worms. How often did you give that to him? I've been trying to research it for sometime now and I can't seem to find anyone who tells you how much to use! Is it daily? Weekly? How many drops however often. I just found out one of my dogs has advanced heart worms and we rescued him at 3 1/2. He is 5 now and we just found it. :(

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Posted by Regina (Olivehurst, California) on 03/21/2015

How much to treat a dog 10-15 pounds who has heartworms?

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Posted by Kelly (Mississippi) on 06/11/2016

My dog is allergic to black walnut hull. Do you think wormwood alone would work as the primary ingredient for killing adult heartworms?

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Posted by Irina (Ca) on 07/16/2016 11 posts

So, how are your doggies are now?

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Laurie (Texas) on 08/29/2016

Could you tell me how much and how often please?

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Posted by Cokie Nutt (Conroe, Tx) on 09/04/2016

Please help. My Dachshund was diagnosed with heartworms. I got the dropper bottle today (finally). I really need to know the dosage and length of treatment. She is 17 pounds.

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Posted by Irina (Ca) on 09/05/2016 11 posts

Look at heart worm treatment page- there is a lot of info, I just completed treating my dog - will know whether it worked in about 3 months, after reading a lot, I decided to use VRM2 and HSSII plus Kidney support Tian Wang Pu Hsin Wan (recommended in Sheryl Schwarz book Four Paws Five Directions)

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Posted by Debbie (Florida) on 01/03/2017

How much Black walnut and wormwood tincture to give 4 lb chihuahua dog for heart worm treatment?

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Posted by Mara (Manila, Philippines) on 01/31/2017

I am from philippines I lost my dog last year because of heartworm nw I have adopted dog abandun by owner and found out he has heartworm I do d searching on net and hr I found you site how can I get this home remidies can I buy this wormwoods and black walnut tinctures in my country.. what store to get..thank you. I am an animal lover every night heard my dog coughing made my night horrible and feel crying for my dog.

Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Saphire37 (Plainfield, In) on 07/10/2018

The Natural Heartworm Preventative Program consists of three products:
Artemisia Combination - This is used like a monthly de-wormer.

HSII - This is used to keep the heart strong. It can be given every few days or at least once a week.

Black Walnut - This is a great nutrition booster helping metabolism and keeping the animal less desireable by parasites [fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes].
Artemisia Combo

This product combines elecampane root with two species of Artemisia, mugwort and wormwood, to provide an exceptionally powerful herbal formula. Artemisia has a long history of use in China, Europe, and the U.S. for its antiparasitic qualities. Artemisia is believed to create an unfavorable environment for parasites.
Ingredients: Proprietary blend 780 mg * Elecampane Root (Inula helenium) Mugwort Herb (Artemisia vulgaris) Clove Flower Buds (Eugenia caryophyllata) Garlic Bulb (Allium sativum) Ginger Root (Zingiber officinale) Spearmint Herb (Mentha spicata) Turmeric Root (Curcuma longa) Olive Leaf (Olea europa) Wormwood Herb (Artemisia annua) *Daily Value not established Other Ingredients: Cellulose (plant fiber), magnesium stearate (vegetable), silicon dioxide (powdered silica), gelatin, and water.

Black Walnut

Black Walnut is used as an astringent because it is rich in tannin, a toning substance. Black Walnut is famous for it's cleansing properties and has been used to treat worms. Ingredients: Black Walnut Hulls (Green Hulls) (Juglans nigra) 1000 mg* *Daily Value not established Other Ingredients: Magnesium stearate (vegetable), silicon dioxide (powdered silica), kosher gelatin, and water.


HS II is a combination designed for support to the circulatory system, containing: hawthorn berries, capsicum and garlic. Hawthorn berries is used to strengthen and tone the heart, feed the adrenals, cleanse arteries, and has been known to balance blood pressure. Capsicum has long been used as a way to boost circulation and cleanse the body. Recent studies have shown garlic to be of benefit to the digestive, circulatory and immune systems. Ingredients: Proprietary blend 920 mg* Hawthorn Berries (Crataegus oxyacanthoides) Capsicum Fruit (Capsicum annuum) Garlic Bulb (Allium sativum) *Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients: Gelatin and water.

Heartworm prevention requires a multi-faceted approach which includes not exposing your dog to mosquitoes as much as possible. I've been successful with a preventative program, but would not recommend this for dogs who are kept outside because they have increased exposure and are thus at higher risk.
I do not recommend people go off their heartworm medications unless they agree to do so with their vet. There are plenty of alternative or holistic veterinarians for you to consult with.

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Prevention Program Guideline for weight: *Under 5 lbs - 1/4 capsule Artemisia, 1/8 ml of Black Walnut Liquid Extract (2 to 5 drops) and ½ capsule HSII *10-25 lbs - 2 capsules Artemisia, 1/4 ml Black Walnut Liquid Extract (5 to 7 drops) and 1 capsule HSII *25-50 lbs - 2-3 capsules Artemisia, 1/2 ml Black Walnut Liquid Extract (10 to 15 drops), and 1 to 2 capsules HSII *50 lbs and over - 3 capsules Artemisia, 1 ml Black Walnut (20 to 25 drops), and 2 to 3 capsules HSII *100 lbs and over - simply double the *50 lbs and over instruction above

During the first week of each month [for 7 days]: Based on a 12-15 pound dog (adjust accordingly)
One (1) Artemesia first thing in the morning and one (1) in the evening [as close to 12 hours apart as possible] on an empty stomach [as much as possible] so the properties have a chance to kill parasites without having to be blended with a full meal. Most dogs have no problems with this formula on an empty stomach. If your dog does, you can give as much food as necessary with it, but this is a rare necessity. This is like a monthly de-wormer.
One (1) HSII every few days or at least once a month. This is used to keep the heart strong.
1/4 ml Black Walnut Liquid Extract (5 to 7 drops), sprinkled over food, daily or given orally!
Given all month long:
Four to five (4-5) days each week, I put 1 to 1-1/2 ml Liquid Black Walnut in their drinking water.
On the average, the heartworm program should last approximately 2 to 3 months for a 50 lb. dog! There are 100 Capsules of Artemisia Combination; 100 Capsules of HS II, and 59 ml Black Walnut Extract.

I've found that most pets like Black Walnut Extract. A little bit of Black Walnut goes a long way, so be sure to adjust this according to weight like the rest of the program.

Another thing to consider is if you are in a climate area that has a winter and a period of time where there are no mosquitoes. Vets generally do not tell you to use heartworm medication at that time of the year. I don't bother to use the spritzer at that time of the year, but I still do the herbal program because Black Walnut is such a healthy supplement and the Artemisia keeps keep them parasite free.

Please use wisdom and common sense in deciding whether the natural approach is for you and your pet family. Since the herbal way is less expensive than the drugs, please be sure you make the investment to have your dog tested annually.
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Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture
Posted by Saphire37 (Plainfield, In) on 07/10/2018

Hello, I am needing some advice, I have a APBT that is 3 years old. I have never had her on any heartworm preventative nor have I ever had her tested. She is in the early stages of Autoimmunity, which the doctor's give no advice on. I have her on Nutro and Kauffman's Canine Coat and Skin Supplement for her sebaceous adenitis. Is it okay to start the Natural heartworm preventative (Black walnut, Artemisia Combinatio & HSII) If she has never been tested?

Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Denise (Ga, US) on 07/14/2014

In my reading I am seeing that the Wolbachia associated with Heartworm has to be treated at well. Does the VRM2 take care of that as well or do I still need to treat my dog with Doxycycline?

Posted by June (Pa.) on 03/20/2014
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I gave my cocker spaniel her first dose of vrm2-sm, 1/2 capsule, in less then half an hour she started coughing and panting worse then ever, is this a normal reaction maybe that it`s working? Thank you for any feed back.

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/21/2014

Hey June!

Sorry to hear about your dog's heartworm infection :-(

Please read up on heartworm as you continue treating your dog:





When you treat for heartworm, what you are actually doing is killing the worms in the heart and the microfilaria in the bloodstream. When the adult worms in the heart die, they break into pieces and they only place they can go is downstream, into the lungs where they eventually get absorbed. The coughing and panting is the result of the worms dying and getting 'filtered out' of the bloodstream by the lungs. The coughing [most likely] is from the build up of the dead worms in the lung tissue that have yet to be absorbed, and the panting [most likely] is from the pain or discomfort from this process.

Dogs undergoing heartworm treatment should be kept as calm as possible and strict crate rest is generally prescribed. This treatment is long term - you will NOT see immediate improvement as it takes time for the worms to die off. Again, please read up on how to best support your dog during the treatment phase.

Please let us know how it goes!

Posted by June (Pa.) on 03/21/2014

Thank you Theresa from pls, so much for the feed back on the vrm. I had no idea what to expect after treatment. I just lost my buddy Lady (cocker Spaniel) of 16 years a month ago, still recovering from her loss, so when Lacey came up sick, it worries me to death, I surely don`t want to loose her to.We just got her card today reminding me she is due for her check up.The vet. is aware of her cough, I gave her a tsp. of honey and she finally stopped coughing and is resting very well.i will continue with the vrm2-sm as it seems to be a miracle treatment, i`m sooo glad I found this site. Thank you again for caring.

Posted by Deb (Greensboro, Nc) on 07/30/2014

Hi, I can't get my dog to eat food with VRM2 on it. Any suggestions?

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 07/30/2014

Hey Deb!

If you are using the capsules and need to split a capsule, you can buy empty gel caps at the drugstore; pour the powder into a gel cap and then wrap in cheese or some other soft tasty food - see if that will work. If you are using the liquid you can put the liquid in a gel cap as well and dose hidden in cheese or other soft food.

Posted by Courtney (Dyersburg, Tn) on 03/10/2015

Hi everyone,

So I started the VRM2 on my beloved 6 year old Dobie last night. I am giving this a try. I was told she has heartworms and has a cough when she moves about a lot. How long should it take for the cough to start improving? She is 55 lbs so how what mg and dose of garlic should I be giving her. Also I got the CoQ10 as recommended and how much of that should I give her. It is 100 mg. I will keep everyone updated on how well it works for my friend. Also the the vet told me that she had done the snap test and that it indicated a hot case of them and recommended we would have to do the slow kill, 3 dose treatment on her. So that is what we are dealing with.

Thanks and everyone please pray that this works for my Dobie. I want her to feel better and get back to normal.

Posted by Bonnie (Bandera , Texas) on 03/13/2015

Can someone please tell me how long it takes black walnut wormwood complex to work? I gave it to him about 30 minutes ago and haven't seen anything. Thank You

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/13/2015

Hey Bonnie!

I have no direct experience with this remedy so can only speak from the experiences I have read about on EC or researched.

The black walnut begins to work immediately, albeit it may be slowly. This is a good thing, as a rapid die off of heartworms can be deadly. Your dog should be on strict crate rest with minimal exercise. The wormwood causes the heartworms to die, and they in turn must be filtered from the blood; the lungs end up serving as part of this filtering system which can lead to difficulty breathing - so again no exercise. Recovery time depends on the severity of the infection, and your dog's ability to process the worms out of his blood.

Please google 'heartworm treatment aftercare' to study up on the road ahead of you.

Good luck!

Posted by Gbear (Martinez, Ca) on 03/15/2015

Check "wolfcreekranch1.tripod(dot)com" for great natural remedies. Dose with daily diatomaceous earth for maintenance. Good for humans also.

Posted by Bonnie (Bamdera, Tx ) on 03/16/2015

Thank you, Theresa... I don't know if I'm giving him enough, I'm a bit nervous.... I have just about everything y'all mentioned here...

Saying prayers.

Posted by Kelley Hudson (Texas) on 04/07/2015

I've been doing garlic, black walnut hull, and wormwood. The coughing stopped but my dog won't eat and is extremly thin. What should I do?He is still breathing heavy.

Posted by Blake (Texas) on 04/30/2015

I am about to start my lab mix on VRM2 and I really need to know what would be the dosage (he is 53 lbs ) and how much excercise can he have while on this medicine?

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 05/02/2015

Hey Blake!

Please consult your vendor for VRM2 for dosage - and please report back as to what the maker of this product advises.

Typically dogs undergoing heartworm treatment are advised to take NO exercise and instead to observe strict crate rest, going outside to potty - and then right back to the crate.

Posted by Jaquie (Houton, Tx) on 06/01/2015

Long Post

My 8 year old Pitt was diagnosed with Heartworms close to 9 months back. The doctor found nothing else 'wrong' with her despite the reason for the visit being persistent/constant coughing and vomiting, ergo a pretty definite diagnosis of "Heartworms".He placed her on Heartguard and not only explained the procedure of, but quoted the price for, the 'normal' treatment plan for Heartworms, which was the same as seen on thousands of internet articles, Invermectin shots in two intervals.My dog steadily worsened and we took her back to the same vet 7 times. Each time he charged us for the visit and prescribed steroids, worm medicine, more Heartguard, etc and said we needed to run more (expensive) tests. We explained we did not have the money for the tests he wanted us to pay for and asked that he please just treat her for what we KNOW she has: Heartworms. (In retrospect, had we originally done the tests it would have turned out to be less expensive than all these visits). For the last few visits he has just sent her home as if nothing is wrong. Despite her actually being progressively worse (heavier coughing, panting and continued vomiting).Today she was 'leaking' from her vulva which I believe to be a uterine infection, and panting like mad. We took her to the same vet (I am disabled and have mobility problems) and got the SAME answer. He wants to run tests and more tests. He REFUSES to treat her for what we know she has: Heartworms and my dog has spent months being clearly, utterly distressed and in my opinion will die soon because of the negligence of this veterinarian.Upon getting home I looked everywhere for a bottle of Black Walnut and Wormwood complex I knew I had somewhere and gave her something like a dropper-full with hamburger meat. She is 50 lbs though and I really do not know the dosage, so if anyone can help, I'd be grateful. Also, it has been asked before here but no one seems to reply ... which makes me feel a little sick. What is the success rate of this treatment please?

Thank you.

Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 06/02/2015

Hey Jaquie!

There are many who report success in treating HW+ dogs at home. Some success stories are posted on EC, some can be found with a google search. The key is time and patience, to provide internal cleansing and organ support and to drastically limit exercise. It took many months for your dog to get sick and it will take months for a slow recovery; no quick fixes with HW.

I have to wonder if you cannot locate another vet if you do not agree with this first vet. I do agree with your vet that tests really *are* needed for a correct diagnosis; did you do a snap test to confirm the heartworm, or was it diagnosed based on physical symptoms because you could not afford the $50.00 HW test? The discharge from the vulva is a great concern and could be an open pyometra which is a veterinary emergency. Have you tried to take your dog's temperature to see if she is running a fever? I agree your dog will die soon without the much needed veterinary care, but I debate that the vet has been negligent: your vet is running a business with over head and not a charity -that is fact for any vet, and diagnostic tests are the first line of defense to provide accurate treatment and to avoid a medical malpractice lawsuit. YOU are her owner - if you cannot afford proper medical care please work with rescue groups or obtain a pet medical credit account or see if your vet will work with you to help you afford the care your dog so desperately needs.

Posted by Mars (Texas) on 07/22/2015

Hello Jackie I am very concerned with the symptoms of your pup. Discharge from the vulva is symptomatic of pyometra and is indeed a veterenary emergency. Is she spayed? She may pass away of septic shock if not treated immediately. Pyometra required immediate care. Please update.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Denise (Monticello, Ga) on 03/18/2014

Hello, I started my dog on VRM2 on Thursday, March 13th. My vet told me he had severe heartworms. So, I wanted a natural treatment, and found this site. I don't know if my dog is getting better or not. He's still panting. I took him a walk this morning, and noticed blood when he was urinating. Could this be of the treatment? He just finished antibiotics on Wednesday, the day before I started the VRM2. How do the worms come out? Can someone help me on this? Thank you!

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Denise (Monticello) on 03/28/2014

Hi Suseeq, thanks for sharing with me what you are doing with your dog. Is the capsules you are giving him garlic and vitamin C in one? Right now, I recently started him on probiotic acidophilus, hoping this will help. Also giving him pure virgin, organic coconut oil. I heard it kills the yeast. I am giving him a TBS of that daily.

Theresa, thank you once again for the help on the yeast. Where do you get Botox from? I want to try this recipe on him, especially after I bathe him. :)

I Just noticed today he's getting some white discharge in his eyes again, which the vet constantly puts him on antibiotics for it, and it comes back within 3 weeks. Is there something else I can use for the eyes? Today I used some visine and wiped his eyes after that white film went down at the corner or bottom of his eyes. He seems ok for now, but wondering if there's anything else I can try. Thanks so much for all the help on here. It gets very discouraging at times, when you have a high maintenance dog, and seems he will never get better. :)

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Suseeq (Sydney, Australia) on 03/28/2014

I give my dog tablets vit c and capsule of garlic . I forgot to mention I also make my own shampoo and wash him 3 times a week . the shampoo is 1 cup hand bacterial soap, 1/4 cup white vinegar, 1/4 coconut oil, and it doesn't dry his coat. in fact he come up like glass, I leave it on for ten mins making sure he dosent lick it then rinse. by the way just got up from another night of sleepful bliss.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Denise (Monticello, Ga) on 03/28/2014

Wow!!! thanks so much for the fast responses, Suseeq and Theresa. And I appreciate the shampoo recipe, Suseeq. I have been using Dr. Bronner peppermint pure Castile soap, and I add tea tree oil in it. I really like your recipe. Antibacterial soap? Any kind will do? And the coconut oil, don't you have to melt it first before adding it in?

Theresa, thank you so much for the recipe for the eyes. I am going to use that ASAP, and this saves me a trip to the vet which is 40 mins away, and saves me from him putting him on antibiotics again, the culprit that's been making him worse. This dog is really keeping me busy!! Lol. Thanks again to both your help! You both have a nice evening, and will keep you posted on his progress. :)

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Denise (Monticello, Ga) on 03/28/2014

BTW, Suseeq, I am happy your dog had another blissful night of sleep!

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Suseeq (Sydney Australia) on 03/28/2014

Yes Denise, any kind will do. I use camomile as that is supposed to soothing to the skin, but you can use any. Just make sure she doesn't lick herself. I leave my made up shampoo in the sun for alittle while then give it a good shake before I use. I hope this helps you because I know how frustrating this is.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Nuala (Texas, US) on 06/10/2014

Thanks for all the suggestions for the heartworm treatments. I'd like to try the VRM2, but I'm not sure how much to use. The suggestion is 1-3 capsules at nighttime. My dog weighs only 9.5 lbs. I guess I could give him just one, but I want to make sure I'm giving him enough. The vet didn't say what stage the heartworm is, but I will not be starting it for 2 weeks as he has a little infection right now and is on antibiotics. Can anyone please give me any suggestions as to how much I should start him out on?


Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Wade (Olive Branch, Ms) on 07/24/2014

I have a 2 year old lab just diagnosed. Does this product really work. He is showing no signs yet? And I want to keep it that way!

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Mina (Houston, Tx) on 10/05/2014

My doggy is going thru the same thing right now, I am devastated. Seeing my baby in this condition is causing me so much anguish. Could you tell me if the process worked for your dog? If so can you tell me the exact amounts. My dog has stopped eating although I know he is hungry since he licks his lips when I put his food out. Please help!

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Sarah (Dryden, Mi) on 02/27/2015

Ok I ordered two bottles of VRM2 but from when I did my research to now I can not now find the dosing. Can someones please help me? Our Dog is aprox 85 lbs.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Joy (Covington, La) on 10/11/2015

I'm not totally sure, but do believe my dog has heartworms. He sleeps a lot and coughs while opening his mouth (as if to expel in it). Where could I buy the VRM2 and how much should it cost as well as how long should he take it? I would be extremely grateful for your response. Thanks, Joy

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Michelle (Ms) on 12/13/2017

Where can I buy this VRM2-SM??? Did you only give this or was anything else added?

Also is this made for humans or dogs?

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Shawna M (Tn) on 09/20/2018


Where did you buy it from? The vrm1? The place I found you have to be a dr to create an account.

Advanced Heartworm Treatment
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 09/25/2018

Shawna, you can google it: https://systemicformulas.com/products/vrm1-large/

Good luck!

Garlic, Coconut Oil, Turmeric
Posted by John (Lillian,alabama) on 03/12/2014

Hi, I have an 11 year old Catahoula/Foxhound mix that I think has heartworms. He started having a short dry cough but still had energy and wanted to play all of the time. Fast forward to two weeks later and the cough has worsened to the point that any activity at all causes a coughing and wheezing fit. I lost my job and don't qualify for any welfare programs whether human or animal and have no relatives or friends that can lend me any money. I saw on here that fresh garlic has been proven to help so I crushed up 2.5 fresh cloves and split it up between three meals. He hasn't shown any improvement, But he hasn't gotten any worse either. But this is the first day that I have given to him. He weighs 75 lbs and is in great shape. He has routinely received fresh vegetables, fruits and chicken in his diet since he was a pup. It breaks my heart to see my little boy in such distress and I am willing to try anything to help him. I plan on keeping the garlic treatment up because I was given a whole bag of fresh cloves and I also give him 1.5 tablespoons of unrefined Coconut oil mixed with 1 tablespoon of Turmeric in every meal. Is there anything else that I can do ? Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Garlic, Coconut Oil, Turmeric
Posted by Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 03/14/2014

Hey John!

Given your financial constraints, the only thing I would try to add would be tincture of Black Walnut and Wormwood - https://www.earthclinic.com/pets/heartworm.html#BLACKWALNUTGARLIC

You describe a sudden onset of symptoms; are you sure its heartworms? You might try locating a rescue or contacting a shelter to see if any funds are available to you for a conclusive diagnosis; heartworm "snap" tests are commonly available and considered very reliable and when purchased in bulk as rescues and shelters often do, are relatively inexpensive [$50.00 or under].

Garlic, Coconut Oil, Turmeric
Posted by Lauren (Memphis) on 03/17/2014

John, your dog most likely has a case of bad heartworms. I have been passionate about this subject ever since my dog got diagnosed about 2 weeks ago. I came across this site, just like you & many others, to find a less expensive alternative. If I were you I would order VRM2-sm from Bio Challenge. It's only $24. My dog is on day 6 and I've already seen a difference. If you read further down you will find other people too who have chosen the VRM2 route and saw major improvements to the point of actually getting a negative heartworm test later down the road! Read further down in this forum and you'll see!!

Garlic, Coconut Oil, Turmeric
Posted by John (Lillian, Alabama) on 03/26/2014

Thank You for the information! I just ordered the VRM2 and will give it to him as soon as it gets here. But how much do I give him? He weighs 75 lbs. Should I just sprinkle it in his food, Or give him a whole pill?

Garlic, Coconut Oil, Turmeric
Posted by Denise (Monticello, Ga) on 04/10/2014

John, I am treating my golden retriever now as well on VRM2. For a dog that size, give him 3 pills and sprinkle on cooked vegetables or a little chicken. my dog loves green beans, so I give him some with a little of the juice in the can, and sprinkle it on it and he eats it up. Just make sure you don't use red meat. Hope he's doing fine. :)

Garlic, Coconut Oil, Turmeric
Posted by Brittany (Sacramento, Ca) on 05/27/2015


I just ordered the VRM2 for my dog, he is 15lbs and has had the cough for a while. He has occasional fainting spells and within the last day or so, his belly has looked a bit puffed out. How much would I give him each day for his size and for how long?

Thank you for any help...

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Luli (Bucharest, Romania) on 08/13/2013

Our friends' dog has hearworm, stage 3, maybe even 4. From all the natural remedies I read about, what would you suggest? Thank you in advance!

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Jholl (Louisville, Ky) on 04/17/2015 28 posts
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An update

Apparently, she has had a bad case of heartworm. She is currently taking daily: hawthorn to keep her heart strong, chloroxygen to help increase oxygen levels, about 100 mg. of vitamin C and kidney rejuvenator to help her urinary system. She also takes dessicated liver capsule once a week. Then twice a month she gets a half dose of Ivermectin, about 5 mg of prednisone and doxycycline for about two days before through two days after the Ivermectin day. I know this is not the pure holistic way of dealing with this. But, since we have been using the somewhat lowered dose of Ivermectin with the prednisone, we have been able to keep on top of the heartworm load and not have to restrict her quite as much. This will likely be a slower road to rid her of this. But the strictly holistic road just was not working. She is much better and is coughing much less. I have had many discussions with my vets (both the holistic vet and the conventional vet) over this and we are all in a better place with this protocol.

Heartworm Remedies
Posted by Anne (Phila, Pa) on 07/09/2017

Hi Jean, I see your post was a long time ago, but I'm curious to know how this heartworm treatment worked for your pup?

My boy Baxter just got diagnosed on a snap test. We're waiting for more results back from the lab by tomorrow. We just switched to a homeopathic/holistic vet. Last year, we used a conventional vet. We got a positive result on his snap test then, but when his blood was sent to the lab, it was negative. I'm very nervous & seeking out non-invasive natural remedies.

I truly hope all is well with you & your furbaby. Would love to hear some updates.

Sincerely, Anne

Black Walnut, Garlic
Posted by Justme (Los Angels, Ca) on 01/12/2014

Are you people insane!!!! ???? Garlic is toxic to dogs!!!!!!!! Toxic!!!!!! You all should have your animals taken away. Oh yeah, "I read it on the internet so it must be true" forget what the vet says, they only went to school for this stuff longer than human doctors what do they know!!!!! Why don't you give them some chocolate too, I heard that cleans their teeth!

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Dianne (Mobile Al) on 03/14/2014

Lynn I read your article and was impressed. 4 week ago we adopted 2 dogs from the human society. One is a male spaniel mix about 30lbs and the other is a female staffordshire bulldog mix. We just had both neutered and spayed. The Vet said they both have heartworms. She isn't to bad yet. But the boy is weak and kinda wobbly. Bought eveeything you mentioned and started both on the garlic and 3 dops of the black walnut woodworm. My question is how long to continue the treatment including the breaks in the drops and garlic cloves 2 times a day. I don't want to over dose them but do want them to have long healthy lives. I do hope you will answer me and maybe give me more advice. Thank you for giving me and others another option to this devastating problem. Dianne

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Sara (Texaz) on 03/30/2014

How is your dog doing? I'm about to do this treatment on my 10 year old Blue Heeler. Praying it works!

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Tarika (Killeen ) on 06/17/2014

Hello, my dog was just diagnosed with heartworms. I just wanted to see if the treatment of the garlic and wormwood with black walnut extract continues to work. Thanks

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
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Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Ericka (Cypress, Tx) on 12/09/2014

While you were giving your dog the black walnut and garlic treatment you were also giving the dog a monthly dose of the conventional heartworm prevention like heartguard? I rescued my dog and took her to the vet and just find out she is heartworm positive. Thanks for the info. In advance!

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Derrick ( Sauk Village, Illinois) on 04/27/2015

Amen, and thank you. Will try!

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Suzanna (Washington) on 06/13/2015

How long did you do this? Just the 4 months?

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Rose (Texas) on 08/05/2015

I rescued an approx 6 mo old pit pup, she was very emaciated when I found her. I live on a fixed income cannot afford vet care- I am concerned that there may be heartworms ; the little cough!!! I am trying to find her a good caring home, but until I do, I want to start to help her naturally. I am not sure how much as per her small size .

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Tiffany (Texas) on 08/23/2015

There are organizations that will help with vet bills if you are providing foster care for dogs. Adore is one in Houston, but I would research your local area.

Black Walnut Extract, Garlic
Posted by Shabatany (Covington, Ga) on 03/22/2018

Did the worms come out?

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