My dad had lymphoedema in his lower legs and had severe edema/swelling in his lower legs and feet, as soon as he put his feet on the floor in the morning getting up out of bed they would instantly swell, severe pain, redness, itching so bad he wanted to scratch his legs off, "dents" in the front of his lower legs, etc at the beginning of June 2021.
He was referred to the Lymphoedema clinic at that time by GP/doctor (no doctor actually saw him, they asked us to send photos to the surgery!), finally having a "telephone" consultation (what a joke) with the clinic only the other day (August 2021). During that time we did our own research and came across Pycnogenol and studies related to it:
We bought some and my dad started taking 3 x, then increased to 4 x 40mg/per day of Pycnogenol (purchased from here if in UK
Black Seed Oil (Original) starting with 1 x, then increased to 2 x/per day (https://theblackseedoil.co/).
In just over 8 weeks the edema/swelling has decreased massively, now he only has a small amount of swelling in his feet, pain decreased massively, no itching, "dents" in lower legs look far better and so on.
Suffice to say he declined the Lymphoedema clinic offer of making an appointment to be seen (he did ask if an appointment would be at Christmas time as it has taken over 2 months to make a telephone call) and advised them that he has sorted himself out now.
Juicing, Epsom Salts, Trampoline
I've been interested in reading your posts on lymphedema. I too have tried stockings, massage, etc was recently told by the clinic I'm under that the wrapping is not appropriate for me. I argued the case, but to no avail. My legs are much worse in extreme heat. I find walking difficult now as can't get shoes to fit over my feet. My feet, calves, and thighs, are extremely swollen. I'm going to try inversion, supplements, but have green tea already and Epsom salts. My Lymphedema was brought on after a full hysterectomy.
I'll report back on the natural remedies.
The vibration machine made my lymphedema way worse. I don't know why. It also vibrated the pin loose in my shoulder from a replacement surgery. Talk about painful!
Buyer beware! This was from a sitting position on the lowest speed setting, at that!
Black Seed Oil
LYMPHEDEMA...Patients TRY Black Seed Oil. It's said it cures everything but death or TRY Castor Oil Packs. A book title The Oil That Heals Author William McGarvey The other book Black Seed Miracle Dr., Cass Ingram.
Also eat ALKALINE FOODS in ABUNDANCE and take a Multivitamin (I like Dead Sea Moringa) mix w/Coconut Water. GOD BLESS YOU ALL! Judy
When I lay in bed I invert a plastic clothes carrier and put a pillow on top. Then I rest my feet on top of that. I even sleep this way. The elevated feet allows drainage and in a day or two the swelling has gone down considerably. You can do this while watching TV or reading a book with a pillow behind your head.
Works wonders for me and I have tried about everything.
Nobody will believe this, but I got rid of my pedal edema with unrefined Sea Salt. I was in the hospital for almost 5 months ( perforated colon, multiple organ failure, sepsis). I was on normal saline the whole time and various other things. I have a complicated nutrient program which I was able to do for most of that time as I was NPO (nothing by mouth). But I didn't have edema except during the first month in a coma when multiple organ failure was working it's magic. The last two weeks, I would come up with extreme low BP, down to the 70's /30's. I had my hubby bring me Real Salt which is a mineral salt. I had been on Celtic salt for the minerals by order of my GP for my adrenal issues. Each time my BP went down, I'd take a little salt and bring it up to normal. Once out, my hubby took me to my in-laws instead of home to have supervision. I quickly developed pedal edema, to a level I never had before. I wasn't taking my salt as I figured their food had plenty. I had an episode of vomiting and this is hard on me as I already throw out my minerals. So I took my RealSalt to help besides beet juice and V8 for potassium. This cleared up my edema. I had tried various other things that didn't help; dandelion, milk thistle, selenium. But my salt imbalance evidently caused this problem. Something I have never heard before. So I thought I'd better put it out there just so it might help someone. We know the low salt prescription has been a failure and actually increased mortality.
EC: FYI - Real Salt is unrefined sea salt from a deposit near Redmond, Utah.
LYMPHEDEMA UP DATE
HI U OLE PATOOTS, ORH here, and I finished my leg wraps and still above ground. I have a new bed ordered. Sleeping in a lounge chair is not too sporty. Research of my problem indicates that I have 2 to 5 years left. I want to see how things come out. I think the Lord has decided that it is his time to get involved. Evil folks have taken over. Me, I want to go back to the 50's and boggie with my Tractor Driver. We setting up a system to collect the rain water off our roof. Got lot of brush to sink in the lake to attract fish. Got my old worm bed going. Docks lights to be installed to attract fish. We are preppers. Times are going to get interesting. I know we can survive as I was an Eagle Scout and spent 60 years gardening. I am a fisherman and a hunter. You need to read books, I don't. I can write um. This is all going to come out far different than you think.
Both loose tea and tea bags are fine, but I di suggest you only drink organic tea. Last thing anyone needs is contaminants/chemicals when trying to detox.
My lympedema specialist said you can develop hard cords and that if massaged deeply, they will burst and not come back. Look up cording and lympedema. Hasn't happened to me but he says he sees it all the time. I got a compression wrap for arm and hand and it made my hand worse than it ever was before.
I started getting swollen above my right knee and sometimes it was starting to creep up my leg. One day I ate some thing with a lot of salt and I noticed right away that above my right knee became swollen so I figure I have to cut out salt. I had also been using baking soda for alkalization and I had to cut that out. I just use lemon water for alkalization now. I also have a mini trampoline that I use to get lymph flowing. On days I can I do cardio, stretching and weights to get things moving.
How do you use cabbage packs or castor oil packs - Hot water mix? What do you suggest? My leg lymphoedema is growing and scary. Lurline
Try a keto diet.
I think I have Lympledema in both my legs and they are red down on the lower part of my legs and pain and they swell really bad cant do what I wont to they hurt and someone was telling me that a person can get Ginger Oil and rub from your neck too your feet that opens up the Lymphatic systems.
I really need help I been to 20 doctors and they don't know what it is they think I am crazy but I do know that Butchers broom. ginger and sweet clover is great oil for the lymphat system so now I think at this point I am going to herb store and get my some and try it, anybody else know anything please let me know because the lower part of my leg gets really hard and it worrys me and help please.
I use a vibrating machine - one you stand on - got it on eBay. It has been one of the best investments for my health. Highly recommend them. Try one out in a store or gym and see for yourself.
Thanks everyone for the heads up. I have upper & lower lymphedema and I will try the cabbage wraps for them both.
Hi everyone. I've got lymphedema in my right leg and foot. In 2011 I have lower femora Aorta bypass surgery as I was 100% blocked just below my kidneys. I was in surgery for 8-1/2 hours for a normally 3 hour surgery. Afterwards I was in ICU for a week and didn't wake up from the surgery for 2 full days. When I did wake up I had a feeding tube down my throat and a breathing tube up my nose (very scary to say the least) I also woke up to having my testicles literally the size of a 16" softball. I waddled like a duck out of the hospital 2 weeks later. My right leg and foot was also swollen to the size of my normal 32 inch waist. My normal weight was 165 but waddled out of the hospital at 203 pounds. The swelling eventually went down to a bearable size but it took many many months and was a very gradual process. I still have swelling that comes and goes in my right leg usually after a lot of walking and/or movement but nowhere near as bad as it was before. The pain is still there almost always and also the burning when it swells and that is almost unbearable.
I am now also a diabetic and my quack doctor says I have neuropathy but I believe it's the lymphedema acting up again. I wear shoes with Velcro instead of shoe laces and pull the Velcro as tight as I can get them giving me the relief that shoe laced shoes cannot do. I also use a cream on my feet and calves nightly called "neoteric Diabetic skin care" available from CVS pharmacy in the diabetic section of the store. This stuff works MIRACLES on my feet relieving the pain and the burn. I start rubbing the cream on my right foot and calf and by the time I start with rubbing the cream on the left foot the right foot is already subsiding from the burn and it's almost gone. I swear by this stuff if only a temporary fix.
I will start drinking the green tea and see if that helps in between the cream sessions as my insurance doesn't currently cover the cream and it's $10 a tube which lasts about a week at best and the lymphedema is progressively getting worse and the burn is the worse. Unlike so many others on here, I will let you know if it works.
How long do you stay on vibrating machine?
I find that taking Two tablespoons of flaxseed oil mixed with enough cottage cheese to blend with it plus add some honey or salt to taste taken every day helps the fibrosius to soften. You can use this as a dressing for salads or take it with fruit or on bread/ You can feel the difference the next day when you touch it. Hope it works for you. God Bless.
Thank you for the cabbage wrap information. I told my husband and I was shocked he heard about it! The doc told him about it, but to use plastic to wrap it. So he thought it was wrong and he didn't bother to tell me. MEN can be very stubborn. BUT, we know now, or I should say I know now. So we will use that first and see what happens. Again thank you very much, from the bottom of my heart. He was giving up, now I will NOT let him. all my love, Laura
HI YA'LL,,,,,,,,, back problem is taking second place so I switched my PT from my back to my lymph swollen feet, ankles and calves. Ask my PT guy if sleeping with my legs raised on a wedge would help. He said, probably not. Wrong. It helps immensely, and I get my first treatment Monday from him. There is no doubt that you have to listen to folks that have studied their trade, but they follow the narrow brick road that they were taught. Me, I keep an open mind and listen to all.
Got word today that one of my best HS buddies died from a car wreck. We had just been talking about his cancer ...... problem was he had already started down the Allopathic route of chemo and radiation. When we talked on the phone he could hardly breath following these treatments. This kills your immune system and the immune system is what saves you from your cancer.
My PSA is on the rise. I have just been half-assing my natural cancer treatments. If my test increases, then to heck with lymph leg problems, I have to do what our hero Bill Munro did for his cancer. One thing about getting old is that if you solve one problem then you have another two staring you in the face soon thereafter.
Don't worry about ORH..... he is having a ball with his health problems and getting ready for the coming revolution. Don't think that's right, then why did 99 countries just go into the ditch with hacking. You don't need a nuclear bomb, you just need to know what computer keys to stroke. A pencil neck nerd fits that bill. He ain't tough, but he can bring you to your knees.
I need to know if it's covered by insurance, if so what kind of insurance?
How do I do a cabbage wrap for lympademia in arm? Is it safe if you have cancer and Parkinson's?
Garlic is a great antiparasitic and antibiotic that is considered compatible with nursing.
I would try one clove of fresh garlic internally 4 times a day.
Also, vitamin C to support your immune system - 1,000 mg 3 times a day in the sodium ascorbate form.
Dandelion tea is good for the lymph system.
I would also do Epsom salt baths - 1 cup in a warm bath several times a week.
I hope you feel better soon! Let us know how it goes for you.
~Mama to Many~
What can a nursing mother take to cure her filaria?
I get an ion cleanse 1x/mo. It seems to help with lymphedema. I am a 10 yr. breast cancer survivor. I had 47 nodes removed with 17 being cancerous. Contrary to some who don't believe in alternative medicines, this does help. I also rebound on the mini trampoline.
How is your lymphedema doing? Have you heard of any new remedies that work? I have lymphedema in right arm due to breast cancer surgeries looking for a natural remedy that quickly works with draining the area..
I didn't find Lipedema on this site!! However, there is a new book on both topics: Lymphedema & Lipedema Nutrition Guide: by: Erlich, Iker, Herbst, Kahn, Sears, Kenyon, McMahon. Dr. Herbst is the Adiposa Delorosa specialist and included in this illness is Lipedema, recent discovery. Lymphedema onset varies with individuals, mine was a basic arm botched biopsy! 'Butchery' a nurse friend called it, brought on my head to toe lymphedma! Came out 2016.
The vibration machine is a life saver for me. My lymphoma effects my entire right side, including my back, shoulder and chest areas. (I am a breast cancer patient and had a mastectomy with lymph node removal.). I use my pneumatic pump, then get on the vibration machine first thing in the morning and before bed each day. It has made a huge difference in my quality of life!
I'm definitely going to try this green tea with the juice thanks for sharing hopefully it will help me I'm swollen through my whole body plus have fibro I'm in horrible pain.
Hi, is the vibrating machine like the powerfit one? Does anyone know?
Lymphedema: look into inversion tables. The body drains lymph into the circulatory system by the thoracic duct under the left clavicle. By inverting your body you allow lymph to drain.
Also look into whole body vibration machines. See if it contraindicates with any other medical issues you may have. But overall great for lymph. I'm a nurse with lymphedema.
I'm a nurse who also to happens to have lymphedema. There are several remedies that have to be included together. Look into inversion table therapy( could buy one cheap on eBay) also whole body vibration machines (cheap on eBay). You have to follow a low fat low sodium diet. Particularly long chain fats. Medium chain oils such as coconut oil benefit lymph. It doesn't travel through lymph system not clogging it up. Hydrate like crazy to speed up lymph flow. Also stay away from diuretics. Western medicine loves to give that but the logic behind not drinking diuretics including coffee is because it removes fluid from lymph trapping the slow moving protein making it more dense and sludgy in your lymph system. Also deep breathing pranayama facilitates movement of trapped lymph. Also muscle contractions and relaxation move it along. So muscle workouts are best. Feel free to message me with any questions.
Wow interesting Ladybugjustice - if you're still responding to this thread, I'd love to hear how the cabbage continued to do for you--What a crazy idea!! Also wondering how your Mom was able to get Coumarin...
Coumarin works so well it's a shame Mayo clinic (purposely, I believe) "killed it" in clinical trials.
But hey! If the cabbage works as well as some say here--an alternate solution!
I've had lymphedema in my R leg--goes all the way up to abdomen--from radical hysterectomy 25 years ago. Best things I ever found for it were coumarin, and circaid legging (now called juxta-fit, I think--gotta get a new one one of these days but my old ratty one still works! It's for while you exercise) and I wear futuro firm compression pantyhose daily.
Never noticed green tea helping but I never tried it so intensively either. Blessings everyone!!
To Om, Hope, BC Canada, the way I use the plastic is first apply the softened cabbage, then wrap with cotton, then ace bandage, then cover everything with plastic to keep the wet from the cabbage from seeping through. Also it keeps the cabbage from drying out too fast and it likely reduces some of the cabbage smell. After all that I put on socks to keep it all from unravelling. I do know from experience that the plastic does not interfere with the cabbage doing its job! I agree with you to not put plastic directly over the cabbage.
To PMS Scotland, after I did quite a few cabbage poultices on my ankles, I got a rash type reaction across the front of my foot where the meets the leg joins the foot. It lasted about two weeks or so. The I had flexibility in that area the I never had before! It felt great! So I would say you are getting some old stuff out and getting a great result from the cabbage. I always hope for the same reaction again so I can get more relief but have not been so lucky.
I followed your instructions for cabbage wrap but took a really bad reaction when I took the bandages off :-( My skin was really red in places, not sure if reaction was to the cabbage or to the ace bandage :-( Has anyone else taken a reaction?
Try kidney and adrenal herbs. Kidneys control elimination of lymphatic fluids. Also try castor oil packs and cabbage leaf packs to pull fluid out.
Juicing, Epsom Salts, Trampoline
How much of each do you use? Do you mix it all with water?
Tried first the white cabbage, then savoy..... Will try again, but so far did not see the difference.... Although I did not dip the leaves into the boiled water; instead, I poured water over the leaves.... I did not bandage the leaves - they were just held by my undergarments (I put them on my belly) - maybe there is a problem there... Like I said, I'll try again.... I hope this will work for me - I hate my swollen belly and the hip!
Cyndi, you might want to read up on:
1. The yoga pose of simply putting your feet straight up a wall, making an L when you are lying flat.
3. Incline bed therapy. (as odd as it may seem, it does help drain).
You said your mom is 4'11 and up to 108 well I join the crowd. After baby #4 I got down to 96 which was my normal weight. At 21 I was 90. After my last 2 little ones was 115 the weight stayed on and my ankles and legs got worse from a C Section Spinal tap at age 25. Now at 55 and menopause my fluid is in my abdomen and my legs bad. I have to wear tight strong knee hi support socks but they still get tingly but hardly swollen at least I haven't done anything for it since I like to do things naturally and I had heard it couldn't be healed. Now I don't have energy etc. at 125#. I even had a horrible leg condition called B? where my leg got real angry red and super duper painful when put pressure on it. Has anyone tried Manual Lymphatic Massage or MLD Therapy and it helped a lot or someone tried to do it self Lymphatic massage. I will look here more for ideas.
Cellulitis, Lymphedema and Strep Bacteria Connection
This completely makes sense. I have had Cellulitis a few years back and I have had Lymphedema since I was 25. In 2012 or so I learned that I have strep infection in my body when I was tested. I wasn't sick or anything but had special testing from a naturalist because I had no energy and weight gain. I'm hypothyroid and am wondering if there is some connection with the lymphedema and the strep infection. I'm always trying to find out what the "real" source is of the problem. Thank you for your thought.
Hi, Thanks for the information. Can you tell where you get vibrating machine, brand name, cost. Thanks
Juicing, Epsom Salts, Trampoline
Thanks. Useful tips. I have calf swelling for 5 months. I am taking lymphatic massage but doesn't seem to work. I tried Epsom salt, but did not work. how much salt exactly needed in how much water ? Can you tell.
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Hi, How long did it take to cure. And can you be more exact about juice quantity and for how long did you take,? Epsom salt bath for how many days to cure? Thanks
Thought I'd add my experience. I have lymphedema in both legs, but my left leg was the worst by far. About a month ago it swelled to a tight drum again, was fiery red, incredibly painful and the skin felt scalding. I could barely walk. I was desperate. I tried the cabbage poultice, but it caused fierce itching. I mean FIERCE! I managed to keep it on for about 6 hours 2 days in a row, but I thought I would go out of my mind if I had to endure that daily.
I saw mention here of someone who was going to try castor oil. I thought I'd give it a try too. I soaked paper napkins in the stuff, wrapped them around the leg. Then I wrapped plastic wrap around to cover and duct taped it in place. I covered that with dry napkins and taped in place. Then I got a disposable hand warmer and strapped it to the most swollen, painful part of the leg. After about 7 hours I took it off and noticed an improvement and a lot less pain. Now I do this every other day and every time I'm happy with the results. At the same time I started taking Doctors Best Vein Formula because it contains diosmin. Now, my leg is almost back to normal size. I can move around and it only starts getting painful if I'm on it all day. Even then, it's not too bad.
Before spending one penny on a device for lymphedema, ask to see a controlled clinical trial which proves that there is a benefit from the device for your specific condition. Otherwise you may be throwing your money away. Interesting that this vibrating machine is claimed on the basis of one user to be better than a trampoline for lymphedema, but the trampoline has never been proven to benefit lymphedema. I am reminded of the episode between Alice and the King
`You alarm me! ' said the King. `I feel faint -- Give me a ham sandwich! '
On which the Messenger, to Alice's great amusement, opened a bag that hung round his neck, and handed a sandwich to the King, who devoured it greedily.
`Another sandwich! ' said the King.
`There's nothing but hay left now, ' the Messenger said, peeping into the bag.
`Hay, then, ' the King murmured in a faint whisper.
Alice was glad to see that it revived him a good deal. `There's nothing like eating hay when you're faint, ' he remarked to her, as he munched away.
`I should think throwing cold water over you would be better, ' Alice suggested: `or some sal-volatile.'
`I didn't say there was nothing better, ' the King replied. `I said there was nothing like it.' Which Alice did not venture to deny.
So I suggest that there may be "nothing like" a rebounder or a full body vibrating machine for lymphedema, but have either ever been proven to be beneficial?
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Been wanting to respond to you about my Lymphedema. I am doing what you suggested and my feet and legs are almost back to normal. I read the e-book about Cabbage compresses and have started doing that. That is one heck of a story. I spoof my therapist about the cabbage thing and he has no clue. He is a good guy, but like all medical folks , they don't want to hear about a short cut using natural means. We got to draw all these things out. My spine guy says I will need rehab when I get out of this back brace. Why? They just need to send me a video of what I need to do and I do it or I pay the price. No sir ree. We got to have a mentor that is paid by our Gov or an insurance company.
My therapist spends half his time on the computer satisfying BIG BROTHER instead of tending my ails.
Welcome to BRAVE NEW WORLD AND 1984 all at the same time. Amazing how this has turned out. In 1954 it was one or the other, now it's both at the same time.
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I accidently came upon this site, trying to find a natural herb therapy to try and heal the problem. I am amazed at what I found on several sites. I am trying the "cabbage" wraps for the past three nights. First night used Savoy cabbage, wilted in water, rolled and applied with plastic wrap and leg wraps. Very successful. Second, used Napa cabbage, cold, uncrushed, wrapped with puppy pads, then leg wraps (for lymphedema). Not very successful. Tonight, Savoy on lower leg and foot; regular round head cabbage on upper leg, wilted in water, wrapped with plastic, leg wraps.
I am not sure what kind of cabbage is best or method. Also, my Mother is on Coumadin and most herbs seem to be prohibitive. I am still checking out the sites.
Thank you for this information. I hope mine helps someone.
You ask for the correct formula for the Cabbage Poultice...
I think the best authority is Jakobi Jakstein...Google the pdf: "Wonder Drug Cabbage"...Jakstein wilts her cabbage leaves one second in hot water.
Frances from Missouri City, Texas
European Natural Medicine uses cabbage leaves raw. There are many testimonials as to complete cure when allopathic methods were unsuccessful.
The cabbage leaf has to be flattened well with a cookie roller so that the veins in the leaf made more pliable. Then, it has to be fastened around the area without air pockets. What to use I cannot find out but I imagine it as pure cotton gauze type of fabric and DEFINITELY not plastic. No one in Europe who uses natural medicine uses plastic. The reason being that during application emanations from the sick tissue must be able to dissipate, not forced back into the body. The final cover, pure wool.
I hope this helps. I must mention the incredible cures achieved with this method and within a short time. Om
My husband has lymphedema in both legs. He also has congestive heart failure. His cardiologist recommended a triple dose of fluid/heart medication to cure the lymphedema, however this negatively affects his kidneys as his kidney function is already at 35%. Triple medication is not good, but it is all that we could figure to do. The medication does help, but his legs are still swollen, not as badly.
Will the cabbage poultice work with raw cabbage? It would seem that boiling the cabbage would dilute its power, but I am just guessing.
I would like to try the cabbage poultice on his legs overnight. Is there a standard recipe for the poultice? I would appreciate any positive response from someone who has actually used this. Thank you very much.
Cellulitis, Lymphedema and Strep Bacteria Connection
I am looking for advice for a friend with Lymphedema. He started with Cellulitis, which progressed to Lymphedema. I have read that Cellulitis is caused by Group A streptococcus bacteria. Isn't it possible that this may have also entered the lymph system and causes the Lymphedema? And, if so, what would be remedies for the bacteria?
I developed Lymphedema in my left breast that went undiagnosed for 4-5 months. I started MLD with a physical therapist and read this site. So I did several treatments at once that I believe where all somewhat helpful. Then I had an acupuncture treatment and used a cabbage poultice the same night. The results in the morning were like a miracle. My breast seemed back to normal! But little by little the swelling returned until I got another acupuncture treatment.
So now I have tried only acupuncture and only cabbage poultice and they both work well. But the 2 on the same day produces the most dramatic results. ( I have continued to drink ginger tea throughout.) I prepare the cabbage (a traditional round head variety, preferably organic) by heating a cast iron (optional) skillet and adding the cabbage leaf, which has been dipped in water, then I use another smaller skillet to flatten the leaf for a total of 2-3 seconds or less on each side. This wilts it and makes it pliable. Then I hold it in place with a piece of cling wrap, and a sports bra. This poultice could be modified for a leg or arm and held in place with cling wrap and an ace bandage. I sleep with it for 5-6 hours, which seem to be enough. We used cabbage poultice years ago for a nursing mother with mastitis and it worked well then also.