MSG Toxicity

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Posted by Sara (Ochlocknee, Georgia) on 08/15/2007

[YEA]  I found that msg caused my legs to become nearly paralyzed after eating something with msg. Also I had chest pains. I have done a lot of reading about msg and found all the dangers. I was noticing for a year or more that after I would eat a meal that my legs not only became nearly paralyzed but they would begin tingling, stinging and burning or being cold. I had read that rosemary was an antedote and have used it after eating and found that in 15 or 20 minutes that there was some improvement. I am glad to read that there are other alternatives too. It makes me so angry to learn that our food chain is so inundated with msg.

Posted by Joanne (Tallahassee, FL, USA) on 05/05/2007

[YEA]  Like PD, I dicovered a connection between Chinese food and my migraines. It was MSG. I've had migraines from Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut, and an ever growing list of prepared foods to the point where I don't eat them much anymore (better for my body anyway). I found the best way to avoid them is try to avoid MSG, but it's very difficult, so I also take magnesium (400 mgs) a day. It seems to help keep them down, although lately I've been getting a lot of them but I think it was dietary because I was eating junk. *L* I'm going to try the ACV and see if that helps.. But if Chinese food triggers you, it just might be MSG.. good luck!

Posted by KNOWLEDGE IS POWER (Perth, Australia) on 04/06/2007

[YEA]  Have heard two comments now regarding Oxygen Therapy or Hyperbaric Therapy. I am about to give this therapy a go. Also just wanted to say that I think this website is a fantastic forum and agree that the use of Splenda and Aspartame are huge culprits of outbreaks. I haven't had an outbreak for approx 4 weeks now, however I had a chinese dish today for lunch (around 1.30pm) and found out it contained MSG after eating it. I am now experiencing the tingling and itching sensations (now 11.05pm) which are my warning bells going off, so I've taken 2 l-lysine tablets. Not sure what exctly is in MSG but I'm about to search the net for some answers! Will be embarking on the Oxygen Therapy and low carb/high protein diets as protein contains natural l-lysine. Will keep u posted on how it pans out!!

Posted by Hiral (Chicago, IL) on 01/07/2007

[YEA]  MSG causes dizzyness and lightheadedness after eating chinese or japanese food. I must agree that MSG is really harmful. Growing up I mostly ate daily cooked Indian food as I am Indian. More recently I have started to eat "out" more and the first thing I noticed after I had this really good tasting fried rice at a Japanese place was that I felt lightheadedness, somewhat dizzy and unable to concentrate. I didn't think much of it until it happened again on another day after eating the same food. A friend of mine told me that it could be MSG. I was curious and I looked it up and it turns out many Asians from the Indian subcontinent or Southeast Asia are definitely reactive to it. When I first had the fried rice, I was unable to determine why it tasted to good. It was definitely not sugar and not salt, it was something different. It just made me want to eat more and more of the rice. I avoid all prepared foods unless I know the ingredients. All Doritos and other bags of chips contain some form of MSG. It is ridiculous how many different foods have it. I now only eat at places that claim to add no MSG but that doesn't mean anything since if the sauces they use already have it then they technically haven't added it themselves. Anyway, it is something you should avoid. All the Indo-chinese restaurants that serve "manchurian bhagis" are nothing more then a brown sauce full of MSG. Why do you think it tastes so good and you can't stop eating it?

Replied by Nemesis
New York, New York
With all these toxins being dumped on the masses, its amazing so many are still alive and kicking. Where I live, there's so many people and so many kids. I wonder when this stuff finally kicks in, will it be like people gradually dying earlier and blamed on them for their poor lifestyle choices? Or will we have pandemic levels of sudden deaths in the next ten years. Or is all this just to weaken our immune systems so when a pandemic strikes, humans become a minority?

What I don't understand is all the underground bases that are said to have long-term shelters. The government was said to buy out many of the long-term food storage products from several online companies. Are they planning to take a vacation when a pandemic occurs or if things get out of control, do they plan to nuke the masses and come back after the "waste" is removed and the land is safe again?

Where can I get a golden ticket?

Replied by Artsy
Shelburne, Ontario, Canada
You only know the half of it nemesis. Look up fluoride if you haven't already and what it does to the pineal and thyroid. The pineal is thought to be our third eye. (Third eye blind?) I suppose you're aware of terminator seeds and the huge seed vault they have in the arctic. And don't forget chemtrails. We get hammered here everyday. Be sure you have some heavy metal removers in your personal arsenal against the nwo.
Replied by Heidi
Ogden, UT, USA
to Nemesis from January hit the nail on the head: there is a push to see the world's human population reduced by 80%, and MSG, fluoride, flu vaccines, and other are the first push to that goal: get us fat, and get us foggy-brained, then they can destroy us more easily.
Replied by byebye
Colorado Springs, Colorado
[SIDE EFFECTS]   Since I was a child I have had reactions to excitotoxins. Worse in the last 7 years. For a couple of years I was covered with a hot stinging hot rash on my neck and around my eyes, feeling terrible. The allergist said none of my tests showed to much of any one food to be the cause. Than one day my bother said, quit the sugarless drinks, and flavored chips. I did and I got 50% better. I than read the excitotoxin books and now only get reactions though still miserable when I eat out or overlook some ingredient. (at least once or twice a week).

The doctors have mainly given me cortisone to put on my skin. Now I just found out that I have a blood clot in my eye. I know it has something to do with excitotoxins or my overuse of cortisone. I always gain alot of weight during my reaction times. Is it the toxins or the corts causing that. Someone knows but any research out there is buried. $$ I saw an author interviewed on late night comedy channel and he nailed it when he said that our society has gone over the edge in that only corporate $$ values rule.

Question, what to do, I do not want any syndrome, I just want to be healthy.

Replied by Librspr
Lutz, Fl, Usa
And when 80% of the population is gone, who's going to grow the food, produce the clothes, provide the services (like laundering and washing dishes... And cooking)? Seems like the ogliarchy, plutocracy and tyrant-archy have been MSG'd, too: can't think clearly, no concept of consequences, no understanding of slave or serf revolts... if that's where they THINK they're going.

Since families who have been in the U. S. For several generations are, by the world's standards, the craziest and most violent total population since the Imperial Romans, I presume the entire population of the U. S. Is technically "under sentence of death" by deliberate slow chemical poisoning. Of course, so are most of Them. Well, we know (don't we?) what lead and mercury poisoning did to the Imperial Roman upper echelon!

It's not "May we live in exciting times", it's "Look, you're stuck in exciting times, too, Caligula! "

Replied by Theresa
Linlithgow, Scotland Uk
MSG debate. Been trying to find an antidote as have recently had 2/3 scary times as a result. Once whilst on holiday in Malta and did think I might end up at the local hospital. I am disgusted that there is so much used in our food, and yet I never eat fast food or prepared food and am careful about the stock cubes etc that I buy. Does anyone out there have any idea how much L-glutamine or Niacinamide (B3) to take and is it just if you have an effect of the MSG please? Thanks for the website, most useful and kind of a relief to know I am not alone in these dreadful reaction. PS. I had viral meningitis 2 years ago and I feel this may have made me more susceptible.

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Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 12/12/2006 | 686 Posts

Monosodium glutamate is a free form of glutamate which is relatively toxic to the body. I did some research awhile ago to find an antidote at the time. But some of the information I uncovered is not so good. Apparently the monosodium glutamate causes extreme food craving. In my previous postings at earthclinic I mentioned that if a scientist want to make a rat morbidly fat, they simply injected monosodium glutamate in the first few days of birth. What the monosodium glutamate does is that it destroys the part of your hypothalamus, a center which controls your appetite. When free glutamate destroys that you are hungry all the time and hence a sudden craving for food. Food suddenly becomes addictive, and hence, a boon for fast food, snack food, frozen foods and all the prepared food industries. Because of such a large effect on sales, companies tend to hide this ingredients many ways such as using other words such as modified soy protein, or hydrolyzed vegetable protein, etc. They will do it otherwise they simply can't get the required market share. Some companies are even don't need to have it since the ingredients they received were "premixed" from another place that they claimed to be "proprietary" and in this case they cannot legally divulge that they have MSG.

The problem about MSG I worry about is really not the food that they add into it. You can easily avoid them by avoiding "prepared foods". The biggest problems I worry about is that many vaccines that you inject even in the babies first few months of life do in fact have monosodium glutamate. You can probably guess the future of this baby that unfortunately received monosodium glutamate added to the vaccines. The child will no doubt be morbidly fat and diabetic. It is a boon to pharmaceuticals for those that produces anti-diabetic drugs and cholesterol reducing medicines. Some even went so far as to stop people from promoting soy under the label of being a health threat when the truth is soy and lecithin works better than many cholesterol lowering drugs on the market.

If you doubt MSG is put in vaccines, you can further read more info here:

The rising obesity and hence diabetes might be traced to the fact that nearly ALL PREPARED foods have monosodium glutamate. This includes fast foods and ready made foods. It is no coincidence that only in the last decade in Thailand many people are experiencing obesity, which coincided exactly with the sales of U.S. fast food presence. Fried chicken fast food I found had the highest MSG amongst all fast food I have seen and the content of MSG is correlated quite closely with increase in sales. Only 2 decades ago, the fast food could not get penetrated into the market, until they start adding more MSG. The fact that MSG destroys the hypothalamus which controls your appetite, homeostasis, mood, body temperature, blood pressure, should clearly send a loud warning without the need to wait until we get morbidly obese and wondered what happened.

The possible antidote for MSG toxicity is simple: take plenty of protein, especially L-glutamine, which would displace the free glutamate from the body. The other is taking niacinamide vitamin B3 and vitamin B complex. The B3 may reduce some craving and neutralized those impulse generating from the MSG.

So if you want to know what is number two food to remove from your food choices besides soft drinks from the school and your life, it is clearly MSG.

In fact MSG, aluminum and mercury (thimerosal) should be removed from vaccines. Some argued to me privately that they are doing a greater good to humanity as it involves population control. As if fluorine and chlorine added to the drinking water to reduce sperm count and fertility isn't even enough!

Replied by Health Advocate
West Virginia, US
Ted, I never had any problems - at least none that I was overtly aware of - with MSG/glutamate- until I had been using L-glutamine 10 grams/daily for 3-4 months to help heal leaky gut. I became shaky, extremely nervous with panic, and had other symptoms similar to those of MSG toxicity. I immediately stopped the L-glutamine but the symptoms worsened. I have been having heart palpitations, pounding heart (I can feel my heart beating in my chest) and extreme nervousness, feelings of impending doom and extreme insomnia caused by hyper alertness.

This has now been going on since the end of June when I stopped the L-glutamine. I sleep only every 3-4 days but it is not restful. I am only "surviving". Depression, nervousness and anxiety are part of my daily life. I have a very low quality of life and rarely enjoy anything because of the heart palpitations, extreme anxiety and RINGING IN THE EARS (tinnitus). The louder the ringing, the more anxious, nervous and depressed I am. Was this caused by a sensitization to glutamate due to the ingestion and subsequent conversion of therapeutic doses of L-glutamine into glutamate? How can I reverse this process? Will I ever return to "normal"? I have lost myself and I am desperate for help. I have no life right now.

Thank you!

Replied by Timh
Looks like you need to shift your focus away from Glutamine and toward understanding exactly what your issues are. If it's digestive issues in general, first do a gallbladder cleanse, then do a colon cleanse, then do a parasite cleans. After a few months of these cleanses I graduated from the bed to a wheelchair, to a walker, to a cane. I also took a good bit of DGL and Comfrey to heal my guts after the cleanses. Whenever my guts go bad again, which is usually about once a month, I take DGL + Allantoin.
Replied by Prioris
Florida, US
I am currently taking L-glutamine about 25 grams in 2 doses so this post caught my interest.

I found this

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) sensitivity (also known as "Chinese restaurant syndrome"): If you are sensitive to MSG, you might also be sensitive to glutamine, because the body converts glutamine to glutamate.

As far as DGL ...

I remember I took DGL a couple decades ago. Be careful because it can have many side effects.

Hey TimH, I was just looking at Allantoin a couple weeks ago. Allantoin is generally used in skin and cosmetics. How are you taking it? There is a product called Comfree. How do you think that compares and wouldn't that be better?

Replied by Prioris
Fl, US
I may have your solution. A thought came to me for what your problem may be.

GABA and Glutamate need to be in balance. When Glutamate dominates then you will get anxious, insomnia and nervous etc.

Try taking some GABA to balance your system. If it works, try taking L-glutamine again.

Replied by Timh
Prioris: I crush two DGL tabs in mouth and add 1 small spoon of pure Allantoin w/ very good results every time. I have the Soloray Comfree caps on my watch-list so maybe one day will try it. Have never experienced side effects from DGL to my knowledge.
Replied by Prioris
Fl, US
Timh, where do you buy your pure Allantoin from?

Allantoin is suppose to be non toxic but are there any caveats when ingesting it. I would use warm water to dissolve it.

Replied by Timh
I purchased from "The Personal Formulator." I don't know why manufacturers of DGL don't add Allantoin as it's such a beneficial substance w/ no bad side effects. DGL alone isn't sufficient for rebuilding the guts. Ebay has several sellers of Allantoin alone or formulated in skin care products.
Replied by Health Advocate
Chester, West Virginia
Thank you for your advice. This is a great community of people helping people.
Replied by Prioris
Fl, US
There is the synthetic Allantoin vs the natural Allantoin.

I tried looking for the synthetic. That has medicinal properties too. Why not put the synthetic in formulas to ingest.

The one at that website you mentioned has the natural Allantoin.

So the synthetic allantoin is purified without alkaloid.

"There have been two reports of human hepatotoxicity with ingestion of comfrey. Research has shown the pyrrolizidine alkaloids cause liver damage when injected under the skin of laboratory rats for periods of 18 weeks to two years. From these studies with the concentrated alkaloids, scientists speculated that regular users of comfrey could sustain liver damage by taking 2-mg or more of this herb every day over a period of two years. This is particularly of concern for young children. Comfrey root contains allantoin, a substance that speeds up the regeneration of damaged tissue both internally and externally. This agent stimulates the tissue growth of wounds; theoretically, if the wound is infected, this might result in the wound healing over and driving the infection deeper, as can happen with calendula Calendula officinalis. The pyrrolizidine alkaloid content has lead to the American Herbal Products Association (AHPA) classifying comfrey as being for topical use only and not to be used during pregnancy or nursing. They recommend limiting topical application to four to six weeks of daily use."

The key word is SPECULATED

1 tsp of Allantoin powder or liquid weighs around 2.27 grams

My body is sensitive to many herbs because they have a multitude of ingredients in them. They are full spectrum. Some people like me don't do well with them. I tried taking burdock root capsules and could feel the negative affect. Same with slippery elm.

Other ...

Where is best place to get pure humic acid powder ?

Ted does seem to say the stuff in garden section is good enough. I've see some powders that may contain 1% aluminum.

I see Humic acid which is membrane active. This seems like only purified one. Kind of expensive.

Replied by Timh
Prioris: The Comfrey toxicity is exactly why I had to seek an alternative. The comfrey helped at first but after a few weeks the toxicity kicked in and I was never able to tolerate again. But I did find Nature's Answer "pyrollodizine free" Comfrey and used it for some time until they discontinued the product so I found the Allantoin and it has been a standby for several yrs now.

As for Humic Acid Powder I use a high quality extract from "". I use this in hot baths for myself, and as a water additive for my plants.


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