[YEA]  01/25/2011: Bill from San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines : "Hi Pat... If you are using HCl and/or ACV to cure lack of stomach acid -- although this does resolve this issue, this still means that you will have to take one or other of these remedies for the rest of your life because you are treating the symptom and not the root cause.

What seems to help cure this lack of Hydrochloric Acid in these stomach problems is by supplementing lugol's iodine and must be due to a lack of iodine in the diet. Here is some research advice from Dr Howenstine from the Iodine research project:

"Several human organs need iodine but can not absorb it until blood iodine levels reach high values (stomach, salivary glands). Most persons exhibit impaired production of stomach acid as they age. This impaired capability to produce adequate stomach acid may be a result of iodine deficiency as iodine promotes stomach acidity."
Extract from: www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james37.htm

And here is some further evidence from an EC user from this site where taking 2 drops 5% lugol's iodine in water per day worked to restore his lack of stomach acid problems in two weeks:
www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/iodine.html#AR"

01/24/2011: Pat from Philadelphia, Pa replies: "Hey, I can't agree with you more. For awhile I took antiacids and was doing the complete opposite of what my body needed which turned out to be needing more acid. I have been taking betaine hcl for the past 5 years and I no longer get heartburn, gas, bloating etc. I easily pack on muscle when I workout now which is awesome. This has been life changing for me but kinda sucks that I have to take these with every meal for the rest of my life. I wish I could get my body to naturally produce HCL. I stumbled upon betaine hcl while trying to find out the cause of my seborrheic dermatitis which I still have not cleared up but I am pretty sure it has something to do with my digestion."

01/24/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec, Canada replies: "I think there is hope for you in that area. You should do some serious research over the net by identifying all foods that naturally allows the body to produce HCL. One very important product is Sea Salt. Here is a list of food that directly and indirectly allow the body to produce HCL: www.foodscout.org/benefits/hydrochloric_acid.html

STIMULATES PRODUCTION OF HCL:
Apple Cider Vinegar (may explain why it has some positive effects against heartburn and GERD), Black Olives, Celery, Chard, Ginger, Grasses, Kale.

NECESSARY FOR PRODUCING HCL:
Sodium (best taken from Sea Salt), Vitamin B1/Thiamin, Vitamin B3/Niacin, Vitamin B6, and Zinc. Once you adjust your eating habits accordingly, then you may not need to consume Betaine HCL in the long run. However its always better to consume Betaine HCL rather than run the risk of continuously suffering from the devastating effect of heartburn and WHITE TONGUE being the results of an overgrowth of Candida that is normally keep under control from a sufficient amount of HCL in the stomach. I myself use to experience severe white tongue until I increased the dosage of Betaine HCL and believe it or not my tongue is now PERMANENTLY red in color. My tongue was so bad that when I looked at myself in the mirror after waking up in the morning, it was all COMPLETELY white with not one spec of red color!!! Taking HCL on a regular basis changed all of that. My tongue started to become red from the tip and gradually all the way to the back of the tongue. It took about a month to notice the results.

My next big challenge in the end is trying to modify my eating habits until I become totally independent of HCL Betaine without compromising my health. For me the clear indication that I can produced sufficient HCL is (1) Stool color is always darker indicating sufficient bile flow from the liver and (2) no food residue inside the stool. Also, a general feeling of always having energy especially after eating a good meal. I found the best way to completely neutralize the residual effect of taking large amount of HCL Betaine several hours after a meal is to take Licorice in DGL format (about 6 tablets) and saturating it with your own saliva before swallowing it. The saliva is extremely alkaline and Licorice by itself has the ability to generate a protective coating for your stomach against excessive acid. Either way UNLESS YOU SUFFER FROM ULCERS, taking HCL Betaine along with highly alkalized food as protective agents against excessive stomach acid makes it very safe to consume it even in very large quantities. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT THERE ARE NO SIDE EFFECTS IN TAKING LARGE AMOUNT OF BETAINE HCL!!!!! Pat, you are living proof that HCL Betaine can cure heartburn since it cured mine as well. Those that cannot get rid of it always risk in developing Barret's esophagus that is known to cause cancer of the esophagus over time which quite often is always terminal. Mike"

01/25/2011: Pat from Philadlephia, Pa replies: "Thanks for the link and good info, Mike. I have just started looking into the sea salt to see if I can stimulate the natural production of hcl. Its so crazy all of these doctors are prescribing these heartburn antiacid medications to patients that likely need more acid. I used to pop a tums after every meal and would continue to have heartburn, gas, bloating and feel really full. It was around this time I started to experience skin problems. I have been on a freaking quest ever since trying to clear my skin and I guess its a blessing in disguise that I found Betaine hcl. I have learned so much over the past 5 years and found out that alot of people are misinformed about extremely important information about their health. Well, wish me luck.

Thanks again for the info Mike-its good to know that I am not the only one who is thinking against the grain."

01/25/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec, Canada replies: "Pat, OUR GAIN IS THEIR LOSS!!!! If they don't believe that we are both telling the truth then no doubt they will continue to suffer. The long term effects being much too horrible for me to even want to imagine. Just look up for example on the devastating effects of the Pylori bacteria and all cancer related diseases of the entire digestive system. You will then understand why it is so important to maintain a sterile environment for your whole digestive system at all times. All types of microorganisms that are considered harmful to the body cannot resist the deadly acidic effect of HCL when compared to conventional antibiotics that some microorganisms can resists in the long run. It has long been suspected by many experts in medicine that what causes some cancer of the human body originates from the long term proliferation of harmful microorganisms. This being the result of inadequate sterilization of the stomach with sufficient concentration levels of HCL.

Also, since HCL allows for better absorption of vital compounds for the human body, how many diseases are out there that is mainly due to a lack of proper nutrients necessary for maintaining good health ? I am talking about a deficiency in calcium, magnesium, iron, vitamin B complex and zinc."

01/25/2011: Lon from Stanhope, Nj replies: "Thank you for very helpful information about HCL!"

01/26/2011: Peter from Chicago, Il replies: "To Mike from Montreal, I have learned alot from your betaine posting. What is the different taking betaine vs digestive enzymes ? "

01/26/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec, Canada replies: "Peter, I have taken enzymes at about the same time I started taking Betaine HCL and found no major difference after I have ceased taking it. There may be many reasons for this. (1) I consume large amount of RAW vegetables as opposed to cooking them thereby maximizing the consumption of "natural" enzymes. Because of this my body does not need to consume additional enzymes in order to better digest my food. (2) I seem to have a healthy Pancreas so it May be unnecessary to go back consuming enzymes supplements.

Keep in mind that Enzymes are very expensive compared to Betaine HCL which costs me about 7 cents per 500 mg capsule.

I have read on the net about a women that consumed excess amount of enzymes to help with her digestion. In the end, her pancreas stopped secreting enzymes naturally so now she is forced consume these enzymes supplement for the rest of her life. As a rule of thumb don't try to fix what you think is already working properly.

Since I feel a noticeable positive effects of taking Betaine HCL every time before a meal, then I know that is the part of my digestive system that needs some fixing.

One other thing worth mentioning is that before I was taking Betaine HCL, I always noticed that my stools were yellowish in color. This being a sign that my liver is not secreting bile in correct amount. Another indicator also was fowl smelly stool after consuming fat. That always worried me in the long run.

This was more than three months ago and to this day, I have NEVER notice yellowish colored stools again as a result of taking large amount of Betaine HCL!!!! I always check the color of my stools everyday to make sure they are normal and now they always appear as the normal medium to dark brown color.

This was the first major sign that Betaine HCL has really done wonders to my overall health. I am sure if you Google on the net for others who are taking it on a regular basis, they will tell you the sudden very positive impact it has on their overall health.

Now before you decide to embark on using Betaine HCL as a means of improving your health and even curing your existing ailments that are the results of low stomach acid DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS FIRST!!!!!! Otherwise you can create yourself an ulcer in the long run if you don't know what your are doing.

You see, mother nature allowed our body to produce a very powerful acid to break down food before it can be absorbed by our body. What most of us probably don't realize is that your digestive system must be equipped with the ability to NEUTRALIZE this acid BEFORE it leaves your stomach. Otherwise you will damage your intestines and colons from HCL acid that would lead in the long run to finding blood in your stools!

That explains why so many people on this website notice a real benefit in taking Baking soda (HIGH PH) "AND" Apple cider vinegar (LOW PH) together for relieving their digestive issues. As for myself I prefer DGL in tablet form because by making sure to swallowing it with plenty of saliva is a good method of neutralizing any excess acid in my stomach. The added benefit not found in baking soda is that Licorice by itself which makes up DGL also offers a PROTECTIVE layer for your stomach to better resist the corrosive nature of HCL.

To answer your question about digestive enzymes supplement, you can take it with your meals along with Betaine HCL for about 2 weeks or longer. Afterward stop taking the enzymes altogether with Betaine HCL and compare how you feel. If no difference then you can stop taking it and save yourself a little money. Otherwise you should continue taking it on a regular basis with Betaine HCL. Its as simple as that! Mike"

02/05/2011: Ryan from Aldie, Virginia U.s. replies: "Hello, first off I want to say Thank You for all the info on Betaine HCL. I have a couple questions for anyone who can help me out. Is it better to get the Betaine HCL with or without the Pepsin? Capsules or Tablets?
Thanks."

07/22/2011: Florie from Austin, Texas, United States replies: "I too would like to know whether to get HCL with or without Pepsin, and in tablet or capsule form and I'd really like to know which brands people like best!"

07/23/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec Canada replies: "Always buy from reputable companies to insure highest quality. You should experiment by trying with and without pepsin until you find what is best for you. You must always take HCL on a FULL stomach and NEVER NEVER on an empty stomach that is not immeadiately followed by a meal otherwise you may risk getting ulcers. Also if you are going to take HCL between meals, I suggest to take it with yogurt or with plenty of water. I found that a minimum of 6 capsules or 3 grams can restore a very unstable digestive system better than ACV can which by the way is not very good for your teeth and liver since it is a vinegar. On the other hand HCL has never shown to have any side effects whatsover if ingested with food or with plenty of water since it is always produced naturally in your stomach. Mike"

07/23/2011: Paul from New York replies: "Mike,

I saw on Internet to take the HCL half hour after the meal. Please google .Thanks"

07/23/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec Canada replies: "Paul, this is just to emphasize the importance of taking HCL on a full stomach. Here is what's indicated on one of the very popular brand I use by Natural Factors: DOSAGE 2 capsules at mealtimes, 3 times daily or as directed by a health care practitioner.

For those with white tongue, you will immediately but temporary notice that your tongue will start to turn red again. High dosage of HCL increases stomach acidity which in turn will cause a decrease of white mucous flow on your tongue that contain dead bacterias being the source of your white tongue. Your tongue will gradually feel warm and begin loosing excessive moisture inside your mouth and at this point it will begin to turn red again. It will only permanently go back to its natural red color after you have successfully detoxify your entire digestive system which could take months or even years depending on the gravity of your illness. For me it took close to a year and a half before I had no more issues with my tongue. Mike"

07/27/2011: Chloe from East Greenwich, Ri replies: "Regarding Betaine HCL >>>

This is to MIKE from Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Thanks for all the info!

I would like to start taking larger doses of Betaine HCL as you suggest. I am taking about 8 pills per meal now, with good effects, but probably need more. I feel very clear headed and energetic when I take larger amounts.... but it wears off too soon before the next dose.

Do you use something called an "activator" along with it?

I have an e-book that has a very detailed HCL protocol for serious illness and they recommend taking supplements to strengthen the stomach and kidneys before embarking on the HCL protocol. They also recommend the "activator" taken along with it.

Can you email me? I'd very much like to send you the e-book and get your input if possible. Thank you! BlueCrystalCastles(at)gmail.com"

07/29/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec Canada replies: "Too often people are under the impression that they can continue with their bad eating habits and when they feel ill, they can always rely on some magic pill or a dose of ACV to restore their health. I see this happen all the time on this site and want to point out that everything I said about the real benefits of taking HCL must be in conjunction with eating fresh fruits and vegetables and avoid all processed food. So the real activator you are referring to in my book is a very nutritious and balanced diet of very healthy food and completely avoiding all processed food. The real long term health benefits of taking HCL can only be apparent when taken in conjunction of a very nutritious meal."

01/18/2012: Jdr from Johnson City, Tn replies: "I find this thread really interesting. In the 80s I was tested 2 times for Hypochlorhydria [low stomach acid putput] using the Heidelberg Gastric Analysis test (one done by the famous Dr Jonathan V. Wright MD). I've tried to live without HCl for years and these days, it's not working. I tried a full vegan diet for 8 months of 2011 and it was a big failure. I got my GI tract way over alkaline and a bacterial infection due to all of the fruit, raw honey, ACV, BSM, Superfood, and other alkalizing foods I took in.

For the last 4 months or more I've been trying to recover from that : food cravings, skin problems, mucus in stools, etc. I went on 3 TBS of raw ACV for 2 or 3 weeks, and it made me worse, not better. Then I went on lemon juice for a few days, and it also seemed to cause more trouble than it fixed. Then, I realized I need to up my HCl dosing. I've been taking 1 or 2 capsules of 650 mg HCl per meal and this must not be enough. I did some surfing and Dr Wright seems to say that a typical HCl dose is 1-7 capsules per meal. I've never heard of anyone taking 15 per meal. I don't think I'd take that much. Dr Wright has a good book on taking HCl. They seem to work up to 5-7 caps per meal, and then take lemon juice along with HCl with meals to help produce HCl, and a lot of people are able to lower their HCl doses later on."

01/19/2012: Jacob Sav from New York, Ny replies: "Hi I am confused, did you know that apple cider vinegar actually makes your stomach alkaline -- I think. So if you get relief from ACV it is because you have too much acid. So I guess that means if people take ACV and get worse digestion they know they need HCL because this is definitely acid. I would be blown away if learned that HCL actually turned your stomach alkaline. I have never seen any direct tests or scientific proof to what ACV and HCL does in the digestive process. I don't like rolling the dice all the time..."

01/31/2012: David from Albuquerque, Nm replies: "Mike, I want to start off by thanking you for the information that you have provided about HCL.

I have recently started on a high dose of HCL to help me with the health problems that have plagued me for the past year and ones that I never really thought about. I have always suffered from what I would describe as Candida problems. Jock itch, athletes foot, a variety of skin problems, obesity, etc. Last year I became really ill after some life issues that led to tons of stress. To make a long story short, I ended up in the ER several times with what I thought was a heart attack, gallbladder attack, panic attack, you name it.

After several visits to the hospital and to see many doctors I decided that I was going to have to figure out what was wrong with me on my own. They diagnosed me with everything from anxiety (duh), to depression, to GERD, Hiatal hernia, IBS among other things. I was prescribed antacids, antidepressants, pain meds, anxiety meds, muscle relaxers.... You get the idea. Well I never filled any of them except for the antacids which I thought could be the problem. After one week on antacids I quickly found out that wasnt the problem.

I had been on a Gluten, Dairy, Sugar Free, Low Carb diet for months and lost about 60 pounds. When I eliminated something I got a little better but never felt great. I started to do cleanses and expelled parasites and what I believe to be candida. I tried those cleanses as well with some success but never complete. I had an endoscopy and a colonoscopy done to eliminate anything horrible and they found nothing but a mild case of gastritis. The docs could never give me a straight answer as to what was wrong with me.

Throughout this whole ordeal, not one doctor ever suspected hypoclorhydria. I even mentioned to my Gastro that I had some relief when I tood HCL. I was affraid to up the dose because I didnt know if I had ulcers or anything like that. The Gastro said, "well it cant hurt you" and sent me on my way.

I suspect that my issues didnt come from just one problem but from a series of problems. I wasnt going crazy(but the docs thought I was) and I know what I saw come out of me. My question was always why? Why am I having all these issues?

Well now that I know I dont have ulcers and my stomach lining seems to be fine I decided to move ahead with the HCL. My current symptoms are muscle and joint pain, constipation, yellow-light brown stools, different types of stomach pains, severe back pain and some brain fog. I have since been off my strict diet because the doc said I did need to start consuming fiber again and that I just needed to start "eating" again, which I agree with.

I have been taking 5 capsules of Betain HCL with Pepsin and Gentian Bitters with some good signs. My brain fog went from about a 7 to about a 3. My back pain has gone from an 8 to about a 4. My stools seem to be getting a little darker and my constipation seems to be easing up a bit as well. I no longer seem to be getting any reaction from the food I eat. My skin seems to be clearing up and my fungus problems have gotten better as well. I still havent noticed any type of burning from the dose I am on and I am thinking of increasing it slightly to see what happens. I am also taking several vitamin suppliments to help replenish what ever it is that my body has been lacking for so long.

The one thing that I have noticed that is bad is that I am passing a lot of gas. For me its good and bad because for months I was so bloated that I would force myself to burp to try to find relief. I hope that this is a direct cause of the HCL killing off whatever it is thats making me sick. Parasites, Candida, etc. If so, im glad that something is finally helping.

For someone who has been through this nightmare I can say it has been refreshing to find something that has actually made me feel better. I can feel that I am not 100% but I am miles beyond where I was about 8 months ago. I will continue to take the HCL and I might try to get on a Candida diet again to see if I can fight off the rest of this. I truly believe that my Candida Diet alone wasnt working because I didnt have the final weapon against it......HCL."

02/01/2012: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "I am happy to hear that HCL seemed to have greatly improved you health. I would suggest also that if you intend to increase HCL dosage, to take it with yogurt. This might relieve the excess gas you seem to be experiencing and would also further protect your esophagus as well as your stomach from the powerful acidic effect of HCL.

The probiotics in yogurt are known to destroy many pathogens that might be responsible for causing excessive gas.

I have personally seen real health benefits of adding granulated soya lecithin in my diet. This helps the liver in removing excessive cholesterol from my body being a prime source of gallstone that eventually ends up disrupting the entire digestive process.

You should never allow yourself to remain bloated as this is an indication that pathogens are reproducing in large amount inside your digestive system. My suggestion when this happens and that always seems to work for me is plenty of HCL with yogurt. Within 5 minutes or so, you should feel that your digestive system is functioning normal again.

My illness was mainly caused by a clogged liver which I believe prevented sufficient bile flow that eventually lead to gastritis (confirmed case) and the Pylori bacteria (also confirmed case).

It seems that a much healthier diet supplemented with HCL, enzymes and lecithin has brought my whole digestive system back to its natural state. The only way I know is upon examination of the color and consistency of my stool as well as not experiencing anymore excessive gas. I am also free of any chronic stomach pains."

03/25/2012: Lena from Melbourne, Australia replies: "Hi All. I hope you can help me to figure out what is going on with me.

I have been suffering from stomach pains which I feel in my throat even after a sip of water, back pains under left shoulder blade which gets worse again after I eat, white tongue, bad breath, burning sensation in my back after food, excessive belching straight after food, skin problems, etc. for 3 years. I have done various tests, three gastroscopies, all looks fine. I have had a Heidelberg test one year ago, which showed overacidity.

Do you think it's possible to have low stomach acids although the Heidelberg test showed over acidity? The thing is that as I was thinking that I have too much acid in my stomach, I was trying to eat alkaline foods, tried various proton pump inhibitors with no relieve. Yesterday I came across this thread and started taking betaine HCl with pepsin 500mg three times a day after food. I am a bit scared to increase the dose yet because if I have too much acid as my Heidelberg test showed and add more acid, I may make my condition worse. Right now when I take one tablet of HCl after about 15 minutes I feel a burning sensation in my stomach and throat. I am not sure if it's HCl or heartburn which I always had before.

Does anyone know if it's possible to have a white tongue while having high level of stomach acids? Or it's a definite sign of low stomach acids?"

03/25/2012: Mike from Montreal, Quebec Canada replies: "The real problem is not to much acid since you can never accumulate enough acid in your stomach to cause it to "SPILL" into your esophagus.

What really causes acid reflux is "PRESSURE BUILD UP" that is sufficient to cause acid to move up from your stomach into your esophagus.

This has nothing to do with quantity of acid but rather what would cause such a force to be sufficient to move your stomach acid at such an elevation.

Back when I was a kid I decided to make some wine from dandelions inside a huge glass container. I added sugar and yeast and the next morning the entire glass jug exploded in my room.

Do not underestimate the force of gas emission from pathogens that feed on undigested food inside your stomach.

Adding more acid using HCL will have the opposite effect of REDUCING and even eliminate entirely acid reflux because HCL "(CH3)3NCl-CH2COOH" contains chlorine being one of the most powerful antibacterial agent known to man (Javel bleach being a good example) . The less harmful pathogens you have in your stomach then the weaker the forces for expelling your stomach acid into to esophagus.

I would not worry about adding more HCL Betaine as this will sterilize your stomach and prevent any build up of pressure that would cause your acid reflux. Just remember to always take it on a full stomach so as not end up with ulcers. There are no known side effects of taking to much HCL Betaine.

Doctors who prescribe antacid for resolving acid reflux should take a basic course in physics!!!!"

03/25/2012: Mike from Montreal, Quebec Canada replies: "I have personally experimented the theory that pathogens are indeed responsible for causing this pressure buildup that would lead to all sorts of digestive issues including acid reflux.

I have been taking HCL Betaine very religiously for many years that eventually over time got rid of most of my digestive problems. So I decided to see what happens if I stop taking it just for at least a couple of days.

A decision that in the end I regretted taking because of the consequences it had over my entire digestive system.

In the first 3 days, there were no problems but following that, I began noticing that I was getting bloated almost after every meal. Then after eating a meal with a lot of sugar before going to bed, my stomach felt as it was on fire all night long. I could only have concluded that this was the result of pathogens build up inside my stomach over a long period of time.

The next 2 days to my horror, my stools were completely yellow and seem to contain traces of blood. Prior to that I remember noticing more than the usual amount of undigested food particles inside my stools.

So I panic thinking that I must have some sort of pancreas cancer. I put 2 and 2 together to only realize that the bloating I had experience previously caused a build up of pathogens that could have only been the result of very low stomach acid production.

So I went back to taking HCL Betaine in larger doses and since then to my relief I never got bloated again after a meal and my stool finally went back to its normal color (THANK GOD FOR THAT!!!! )

Kind of makes you think how some people like myself can have a very serious deficiency of stomach acid production.

Its very sad that I would probably have to depend on HCL Betaine for the rest of my life but that being a far better alternative than having my entire stomach destroyed by pathogens over time (colon cancer, pancreas cancer, Pylori invasion leading to ulcers, acid reflux leading to esophagus cancer ... )

I would say that bloating is your best indicator to determine if your body can produce enough acid to neutralize all pathogens that enter into your body from the food you eat. Constant bloating eventually always lead to acid reflux problem."

03/29/2012: Gary from Edmonton, Alberta, Alberta, Canada replies: "Hi Mike, where do you live. I just joined this site today and was reading a lot of what you posted last night until 330 in the morning. I checked around and cannot seem to find the HCL with pepsin so that I can alleviate my GERD. Can you help me with that, and tell me where you can get it. Do I have to go to my Doctor to get it? I called several pharmacies and they said they don't carry it and they cannot even order it in. Desperate for some answers. Gary in Edmonton"

03/29/2012: Tina from Houston, Us replies: "Hi Lena from Melbourne, Australia: This is a super page on how to find out if you do have low stomach acid.

http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/the-beet-test

Hope this helps, T"

03/30/2012: Alex from Honolulu, Hi, United States replies: "Gary, Betaine HCl typically appears in supplement stores. Most doctors have never heard of it. It sounds like you've already read plenty about it, but just in case -- do make sure to start slow with it.

People debate about how to properly take HCl. Some say take it at the start of a meal, others say swallow it periodically during the meal (if you take multiple capsules) and some people say to take it after a meal. I've tried all of these methods. Taking it at the start of a meal can sometimes cause pain, so I stopped that. I took it periodically throughout a meal with no ill effects for quite awhile. Nowadays I take HCl 30-45 minutes after a meal, which has been working out well for me. I heard that certain digestive enzymes don't function after the stomach becomes acidic, so the first 30-45 minutes can be important to the breakdown of certain foods. I can't really say that I notice a difference, except that more HCl is better (for me)."

03/31/2012: Gavin from Manganui, Northland, New Zealand replies: "It might be worth considering lemon juice, as its about the purest hcl you can get, plus it has many other health giving effects. Diluted about 5/1 and the minium of about half a lemon a day. Probably higher to start off with.. Improvements take about a week."

04/01/2012: Florie from Austin, Texas, United States replies: "Tina from Houston, thanks for the link to "heal-thyself. " This looks good also: 14 Steps for Healthy Guts http://heal-thyself.ning.com/notes/14_Steps_for_Healthy_Guts"

04/01/2012: Kelly from Cambridge, Ma replies: "Hi Gavin - I've meant to ask before, and your mention of lemons in this post reminded me to ask today - I take 2T of ACV in water for high blood pressure with good results. I would like to include the lemon drink (as I believe it was you who mentioned that it improved your vision), but have hesitated, wondering if the having the ACV every day along with the lemon drink every day, wouldn't be *too* much acid in my system?

Your thoughts? Thanks so much in advance."

04/01/2012: Sylviag from Vista, Ca/USA replies: "Have not posted in awhile but still having issues with rash/urticaria on face-one Dr said he thought it was POD but doesn't look like it to me---more oval and red/raised--no pimple look to it. Was also told leaky gut---but not sure on that either. Have just seen the thread on betaine and bought it on 3/30---so taking 2 tabs with 3 meals a day. Experiencing headaches, brain fog, extreme coldness all over my body and rash on chin and cheeks that is painful and itchy at the same time. Noticed Mike from Montreal discussing betaine and am hopeful this will help--maybe if you (Mike) can look at my old posts you will have some thoughts for me?

Thank you,

Sylvia"

04/01/2012: Gavin from Manganui, Northland, New Zealand replies: "I put a capfull of ACV. In a glass of 5/1 dituted pure lemon juice sweetened with honey. and have been drinking it once a day for about three months. The lemon Juice is Hcl. Which is the same acid as stomach acid. The Acv is Acetic... But when it breaks down its an acaline ash so apparently does the honey which is used to sweeten it. So thats two natural cleaning fluids that go into the blood in small amounts over a long period the effects seem to be aculmulative.

The left ear was deaf for at least ten years probably more after a bad head cold where some small amount of blood and pus came out of it. When I started the ACV the ear seemed to try and come back in fits and starts, but with the lemon juice added it just got better and better, its slightly down on the other one but I think the right ear has improved as well. All the red patches on my hands have gone back to normal skin, and the liver spots have gone. I just have normal glasses to operate the computer where before I had to use reading glasses.. But i'm taking a spoonfull of blueberries a day as well which apparently helps the eyes. But the eyes improved before I started that. Im a bit weary of saying its a panacea but its the best thing ive tried so far. I also take 3mgs of Boron and a kelp tablet plus a zinc and potasium. Ive dropped most of the other supplements, as from trying them over a period im sure the synthetic ones are bad for the health as side of the mouth ulcers have appeared twice whilst on them.. and disapeared after I stopped.

The last batch I made up I put the zest in as well, by using a fine grater. Digestion is better, which is obvious by well formed stools. I could go on and on, but give it a try for a few weeks, the heart seems to strengthen up as well with not a hint of a palputation."

04/17/2012: Victoria from Salisbury, Wiltshire Uk replies: "I too have found significant benefits in raising HCL levels. Betaine HCL is without a doubt the most convenient way for me. May I point out that while ACV (acetic acid) and lemon juice (ascorbic acid) are both excellent ways of stimulating the production of HCL in the stomach they are not composed of HCL themselves."

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