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Ted's Dog Mange Cure (Most Popular)
DO NOT CONFUSE BORAX WITH BORIC ACID!
DO NOT USE BORIC ACID IN PLACE OF BORAX!
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand writes, "The best cure for dog mange is to mix a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution with water and add borax. Dissolve thoroughly. Wash the dog with it once a week. Do NOT WASH THE solution left on the dog with ANY WATER. Do not wipe the dog dry. The solution will take effect on mange. The treatment period should not be longer than a month or two. The dog will probably not be resistant as the treatment is painless. This has worked well for me."
More Exact Measurements (excerpted from various emails on our Reader Question & Answer Section)
Ted replies, "A definitive recipe is add 1-2 tablespoon of borax per 500 cc of 1% hydrogen peroxide solution. To make a 3% hydrogen peroxide to 1%, roughly get one part of 3% H2O2 plus two parts of water. Then apply them on the dog. Wash with this solution daily, no rinsing. If it doesn't go away, I have found mites, or mange to have a large "beehive" hidden somewhere. In which case, quarantine the dog in a small area that is 100% sterile."
"Approximate measurements are 1 bottle of 500 of 3% H2O2, plus 1000 of the cc of water, plus heaping 3 tablespoons of borax. Stir until most of borax is dissolved. The borax is past the point of saturation here so you will see some borax around. Technically the concentration is around 1.5% H2O2, and this is a bit stronger because by the time we finish with it, the H2O2 gets reacted with other things, and by the time we used it is is usually ends up near a 1% solution anyway."
"You need to get put as much borax until it no longer dissolves in a pail of water and forms a precipitate. This is a saturated solution of borax. Add H2O2 to about 1% concentration to a pail of water. Soak the entire dog, several times. Keep the dog wet for some time. The borax will destroy the eggs from laying under the skin which causes the mange. Get some solution and spray or use this to wipe all floors so the dog will not get re infected. Repeat this every week when bathing. This is not a perfect cure, but it my dog now no longer have mange. My dog was completely cured. You can try other chemicals such as sodium perborate, which is more convenient since you don't need to add the hydrogen peroxide."
"The solution (borax or preferably sodium perborate) is to be applied AFTER the shampooing and rinsing. The sodium perborate should remain on the dog after the bath. You will not rinse this at all. It must remain on the dog throughout the day so that it will act continuously on the bugs."
"However, I do recommend a less toxic form of borax, which is sodium perborate if you can find one. The secret is that borax (plus hydrogen peroxide) will work better then most other remedies I have tried, this includes mineral oil, neem oil (no, neem oil does not kill the mange as effectively as sodium perborate) I have tried it. In my "mange colonies" and commercial brands to kill insects don't work. Hydrogen peroxide DOES NOT KILL mange, I USED IT SIMPLY USED IT AS A CATALYST for ordinary borax in case you cannot obtain sodium perborate. Mineral oils simply prevent oxygen from reaching mange, but that didn't stop it. I have tried naphta, bentonite clays, DMSO, potassium permanganate, light fluid, etc. They all worked temporarily, and it just came back. I must make a strong statement that the formula (borax+h2o2 or sodium perborate) works bests and it is broad spectrum. You can use it to control mange, mites, fleas, and lyme disease (initiated by those crawly insects). I have actually compared side to side with neem oil, mineral oil, apple cider vinegar and others here in Bangkok and this is the most wide spectrum cure I have found. Borax prevents denaturation of DNA/RNA in dogs and I currently use this as life extension for dogs. For example a ribose sugar, deoxyribose sugar, and various sugar that causes accelerated aging in dogs can be slowed down with supplementation of dogs indirectly when you do the borax wash. "
"Prepare peroxide 1% solution, add 2-3 tablespoon of borax to that cup. Stir and wait for a couple of minutes for the borax to dissolve. The formula doesn't require an exact science. The importance is to add enough borax until the solution is no longer soluble and well past saturation."
"...The reason why it is not working is YOU CANNOT RINSE THE DOG OF borax and peroxide solution with any shampoo or water. After bathing the dog, keep the dog that way, no drying no rinsing. This is why the dog has not improved. Also BORAX is added DIRECTLY to the 1% hydrogen peroxide solution and no water is added separately, otherwise the solution is too weak."
7/12/2006: "I have reviewed all the dog's mange treatments both by my own tests and by many contributors. It appears that many people have trouble obtaining materials, such as sodium perborate hydrate, so I revised the remedy to hydrogen peroxide plus borax solution applied only once or so every week. The solution of sodium perborate hydrate is very much similar when borax and hydrogen peroxide is added. Some have either substituted hydrogen peroxide with benzoyl peroxide.
The problem about benzoyl peroxide is the upper limit by which you can use it without effect the dog as it is somewhat more toxic if given beyond a 10% concentration. 5% is usually a safe concentration. Benzoyl peroxide because of its toxicity is somewhat of an insecticide, while hydrogen peroxide is not, what it is in the original formulation is that it is a penetrant allowing the borax to go through the skin. Now some did not like hydrogen peroxide due to its limited supplies, so they make use of apple cider vinegar. For me a regular vinegar will do. Both a vinegar and hydrogen peroxide has two similarities. It is both a penetrant and when added with a safe insecticidal material such as borax, which has an toxicity on LD 50 equivalent to that of salt, this is the preferred method. However, one should not use boric acid since there are reported deaths associated with boric acid but not borax.
Boric acid is not recommended for use as it is much more toxic than borax. Borax's toxicity is about 3000 mg/kg, which is the equivalent toxicity to about that of salt. (check wikipedia). The idea is to make a solution of borax so that the solution can cover the entire body and penetrate through the skin of the dog to kill the demodex mites, for example. To use a spot treatment by pure powder will take an infinitely long time as it does not get to it through the dog's skin.
In some cases, people have tried neem oil, mineral oil. Both of these have similar effectiveness, but in different ways. Neem oil prevents the Demodex fleas from laying eggs by modifying their hormones, while mineral oils are moderately toxic only to the demodex eggs, not necessarily killing them. However, both are very limited based on my tests in really killing the insect. You see borax will both kill the eggs, modifying the hormones and their eggs by drying them all at once. The weakness of borax is limited solubility and limited penetration of the skin which you need either vinegar, hydrogen peroxide, benzoyl peroxide (toxic), MSM or DMSO solution. Ideally 10% DMSO should be preferred.
Pine Sol has limited insecticidal effectiveness, being a contact insecticidal, and does not provide lasting killing power once it has evaporated and does not kill living fleas, but it does kill their eggs somewhat. Only a fairly concentrated solution works and it does not prevent re-laying of stray eggs by the dog. In other words, the use of neem oil, mineral oil, benzoyl peroxide, and vaseline will not prevent the recurring of mange since eggs are not just on the dog, but can be anywhere in the house. Therefore re-infection is at issue. The one magic that borax has over its neighbors is that the borax powder that the dogs leaves in the house will kill the eggs even after the dogs no longer has mange and re-infection is therefore next to impossible. However, borax has limited effect on killing the larger mites and fleas, but not mange.
I found that adding 1/8 teaspoon per liter of water of borax added to the dog's water will cause the larger fleas to dry up and die at the same time. My dog for some reason likes to eat something like more than 1 gram of the sodium perborate crystals whenever he feels sick and the fleas just die off. The borax modifies the dog's blood and kills the mange inside out. This is why borax, i.e., sodium perborate, is required for mange, but not anything else due to preventive re-infection of the mange by the powder of the borax that destroys the eggs where the dog sleeps and where it walks around throughout the house.
VASELINE: The problem about using vaseline as an insecticide is that it has limited killing of eggs, but its weakness is that it is not a penetrant, and therefore the frequency of applications will take at least once every other day. Additionally, the hair of the dog will prevent proper application.
Some have went so far as to not use a solution of borax with hydrogen peroxide as a rinse then followed likely, perhaps a borax powder after bath. On the argument of being effective only as a spot treatment. Since dogs do not have sweat glands, not using a rinse will prevent the borax from absorbing into the skin to kill the mange under its skin. So this is not going to work. You need both borax as an insecticide, the water as the solution which to spread it to the skin surface, and a reliable penetrant to get it through the skin, such as vinegar, msm, DMSO, or even hydrogen peroxide. A benzoyl peroxide is both a penetrant and insecticide, but at higher concentration is somewhat toxic for dogs and as a result you are pretty much limited by the maximum concentration not to exceed beyond 5% being a preferred safety. I would prefer to limit myself at 3%.
I therefore suggest, not to get you lost in the woods, is that whatever formulation you use, always stick with borax and borax derivatives, such as sodium perborate monohydrate being the main insecticidal chemicals for the dog.
Pyrethrum is o.k. but in very low concentration of about 0.1% - 0.2% to prevent skin irritation for the dogs near the skin infection areas. The second mix you need is always the penetrant and the third formulation is appropriate dilutions in water. To provide lasting killing effect, non of these chemicals should generally be non-volatile insecticidal mixtures, which unfortunately most recommended are, with exception of perhaps borax and bentonite. Bentonite causes eggs to dry, so they can be used also, but they have no insecticidal mixture as borax and borax can performs both killing the insect, modifying the hormones to prevent egg laying, becomes a stomach poison for the insect, and at the same time causes their eggs to dry up.
I therefore will remain very flexible about what penetrants you use including hydrogen peroxide, benzoyl peroxide (limited concentration), and vinegar. It must be noted that when formulating any mange it must be noted that they must be non-volatile and the chemicals should cause microscopic residues around the house so that re infection of mange is prevented, including mites and fleas.
I think this wraps up the basic theory and application of mange treatment, and hopefully other people will make a more effective formulations in the future at least equal or better than the original formula I have proposed. Just want to tell you that there are many ways you can treat mange, but the issue is one of toxicity, re infection, toxic levels, which portion kills it and how, and which is the penetrant which is the key to it all. Penetrant is important, the chemical must reach the target demodex under the skin. Usually hydrogen peroxide, vinegar, DMSO, and MSM will do that. It must be reminded again that borax, to work most effectively, is to prepare a solution without washing it off, followed by a small amount of borax powder to be applied if you wish. Any other application other than this such as using as purely powder form is NOT going to work.
09/18/2009: Sana74 from Houston, Tx: "Boric Acid/Mange. I use the boric acid treatment on my dog, but when I sprayed him with it, it looked like he this treatment was burning. Is this normal?"
EC: Ted's instructions call specifically for borax, not boric acid!
09/17/2009: Bet from Jakarta, Indonesia : "hai ted and earth clinic..
my name is bet...i'm from indonesia.
it's very hard to find borax in indonesia. it was banned by the goverment...it's considered a harmful substance since many people used it for wrong reason.
after looking for almost 2 months, i got a 'black market supplier' for borax.
it is in a form of powder.
this man (the supplier) said that the powder is borax...but how i know if it is not boric acid...or it may not be borax after all.
he said that real borax will make greenish flame if burnt...is that true ? does boric acid also make greenish flame ?
i love my dog very much...you must have listen to that too many times.
he got ivermectin shots for 5 times in almost 3 months, and also i bathed him with amitraz for 3 times.
the demodex almost all gone, hair all grown, except on his face...it might be because i'm hesitate to apply amitraz on her face. i'm afraid it will do him harm than good.
i attached pictures of my dog, his name is borris. it was taken over time during demodex nightmare.
really need your help.
09/21/2009: Bet from Jakarta, Indonesia replies: "After thinking over and over again...and asking a lot...and a lot more question to many different people...and of course to the guy who sold me the product and also to my connector to the guy...and these two guys in two different time and places assured me that the product is borax and not boric acid.
I want to send the product for testing in a lab...but, here in Indonesia, we are having ten days holiday for Idul Fitri.
And, finally, yesterday, I decided to start the treatment.
Happy to say, the result is good.
I tried on Borris' left leg...today, the colour is not so red anymore.
I am very sure this treatment is going to be a success.
Do you think I can apply aloe vera on the skin to promote hair growth ?"
09/23/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Beatrice:
A boric acid and borax can be identified easily by their pH. The boric acid the pH will be acid, while a borax pH is always alkaline. So if you have the pH litmus paper this will help. You can get around the problem in certain places by getting a detergent made from borax, or purchase if from a chemical supplier that carries borax, for agricultural use for example. If you happen to have friends who travel, other countries also carries borax.
In the event worse comes to worse a boric acidity maybe neutralized with alkaline substances such as potassium carbonate or sodium carbonate, until the pH becomes 8 or above. Then it is mixed with a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution. However, form your messenger posting, I see that you finally acquired it and it's working well for you. Frequency of application and no rinsing rule, plus pouring some solution in the places where the dog sleeps is critical to prevent reinfection. These bugs are pretty resilent lately. So it helps to rinse the premises of unused portion to prevent reinfection. Ideally daily application to the dog seems vital to prevent their coming back for at least a few weeks. The best thing about the borax is that it doesn't kill the dog, like the ivermectin. Even a dog shampoo I found that contains pyrethrins maybe toxic with the dog upon multiple application. The borax or boron is a essential mineral for mammals, but they are toxic for the insects and hence is a lot safer than most meds and doesn't kill the dog.
[YEA] 09/29/2009: Bet from Jakarta, Indonesia replies: "Dear Ted,
Actually, I've been applying my dog with borax solution every day for about 10 days.
I make my borax solution in small portion using 1 tbsp of H2O2 3% 2 tbsp of water 1 tsp of borax.
It's been great. All the red area has become black colour. However, I found that the skin become dry and 'thick'. Is it the time to stop applying the solution ?
After the solution...any medication or therapy to promote hair growth ?
I would say Ted's Borax solution is better than mitaban (we call it amitraz in Indonesia)...I saw how amitraz make my dog very sick after bathed.
Or maybe, the best...or simply, smarter way to fight demodex.
It is definitely a YEA.
Thank You Ted and Thank You Deirdre."
[NAY] 09/13/2009: Misty from San Diego, Ca: "I used the exact measurements Ted recommended and the problem did not go away at all. So I take my dog to the vet and tell them exactly what I used on her. The vet told me that had I continued any longer than I had, not only could I have given my dog liver damage, but I could have KILLED her. Borax is toxic as most of these other treatments are. It's even caused humans to get sick, although not lethal to us."
[YEA] 09/09/2009: Dockie Marlene from Manila, Philippines: "ted's mange remedy: i have a a shih tzu pupppy named baby beyonce, she is now 11 month old. its my first time to have one so i really make sure that we always visit the vet and do the grooming regularly.. everything is well, she completed her vaccines and boosters but when she reaches his 9th month i noticed that she feels itchiness since he have a long hair its hard for me see the skin beneath.. but then i noticed that it was turning darker pink.. i bring her to the vet and the vet injected for anti-mange, give her cefalexin and antihistamines.. after a week beyonce was back to normal without redness and itchiness but after a month again she started to scratch her head and then her head started to have like crust/dundruff like appearance then it started to have wounds in it.. i bring her to the vet,, the vet scraped the woulds and cut her hair very short then put dog collar to prevent her from further scratching her head.. the vet injected anti mange again then give 3 topical creams.. at first it works but after a couple of days the itchiness become worse until my baby face started to be red.. i was so worried cause her appetite is now affected and she doesnt like to play anymore, i was so desperate that i dont trust the vets anymore and look for remedy myself online.. then find this website and read about ted's hydrogen peroxide and borax mixture. i just done it yesterday and im already seeing improvements. she doesnt scratch anymore and she started to gain her appetite again. i love my baby beyonce and hoping that she will recover as soon as possible.. :)"
[YEA] 09/07/2009: Patrick from Snellville, Georgia: "I have a brown brindle American/English Bulldog Mix. He was diagnosed with mange about 3 months ago June 2009. I used the medicated shampoo and the prescribed medicine from the vet it costs me about $100 or more. I used it as directed for about 6 weeks. The only things that happened were that my dog lost more hair very rapidly. I mean hair was coming off faster than ever. I asked the vet was this supposed to happen. He said yes. Just keep doing it. However, what didn't make sense to me was that if the medicine was supposed to cure the problem why was the problem getting worse?. Maybe there is some medical explanation for it, but I was extremely dissatisfied and concerned. So, I went to Home Depot and bought some 20 Mule Borax Powder ($3). I also went and bought 4 Bottles of Hydrogen Peroxide (3% 32 fluid oz) ($4). I got a pail and poured two of the 32 oz bottles of Hydrogen Peroxide in it and then I poured plenty of the 20 mule borax poweder in it enough that could be reasonably dissolved. I then mixed it with 4 cups of warm water. I took this solution and poured it all over my dog and scrub it in with a small brush. I am not good with measurements so my measurements are not scientific. The key is to just mix the borax, peroxide, and water together to get it to cover as much of the dogs body as possible. Do not wash off let it dry. The next step was that I used the same mixture without the water and created a paste of just borax and peroxide and I rubbed this on the specific hair loss areas. I did this once a week for three weeks. ALL of the hair has grown back. It costs about $15 total. One box of 20 Mule Borax ($3) is enough for all 3 treatments. You will need 12 bottles of hydrogen peroxide 32 oz bottles ($1 each total $12) Water (Free/Nominal Cost). That did it. This worked for me just this year, 2009, in the month of August. I am just sharing this information so that hopefully you can save some money and keep your dog beautiful! IF anyone has any other questions, feel free to email me."Replies
11/11/2009: Rose from Tampa, Fl replies: "I have a black lab who has been suffering for 2 months and the vet stuff is not working... How often exactly did you bathe the dog with the solution and how often did you apply the paste? If you were to estimate how much solution you used to make the paste could you tell me the estimated measurements?"
09/03/2009: Kari from La Quinta, Ca: "I just started treating my 6month old Bor with this mixture. I PRAY that it worksr him. He looks awful! Good news is that he doesnt seem miserable. No itching etc. My questions are:
1. Do I shampoo him first then rinse then soak him with the soloution? Tonight I put him in the bathtub dry then soaked him.
2. If I do shampoo him first, what shampoo do you recomend?
3. Can I pour the solution in a spray bottle for quick problem spots between shampoos and also to disinfect the house? If so, will the soloution go "bad" like "inactivate" after a certain amount of time?
4. The mange is really bad around his snout and eyes. What d you suggest for these areas? I dont want to harm him in any way.
Thank you in advance for your help!"
12/09/2009: Peggy from Delbarton, Wv Usa replies: "Kari,
1) yes, shampoo him first and loosen the dead skin while washing out any dead mites and dander that is on him
2) A gentle cleansing shampoo will do if you don't want to pay out for a costly one at the vet
3)I kept a bottle fixed up and put it on areas when I saw him digging them. I also washed his bed and toys with this. You can mix a bottle of apple cider vinegar (ACV) up and spray his play areas, beds etc with this..it also helps.
4) My dog had open sores and the solution never seemed to burn him...but the mitaban dip from the vet did..he cried when I used it, that is why I had to find a natural remedy. Use a cotton ball to apply around his snout and nose. An acne cream seemed to help Ruff's mange pimples. His is demodectic mange and can't be cured. He is now a year and half, we still fight it but it's nothing like the pictures I have posted...around page 4 or 5 on here.
You'll see the difference if you scroll through the comments and look.
I hope I helped answer some of your questions."
08/28/2009: Nathalie from London, England: "Nathalie again. After using Ted remedy a few days I can say that I saw definetely an improvement on the skin but I went to the vet who gave me Stronghold to apply - drops on the coat (which is the equivalent of Revolution in the UK) which kills the mites in 24h. After a few days I could see the dead skins gone and brand new skin again...So I would say yes Ted remedy works but maybe try Stronghold or Advicate first.(that is for sarcoptic mange which is what my dog had)."
[YEA] 08/28/2009: Careana from Malone, New York, United States: "Hi everyone. i tried ted's remedy of borax and hydrogen peroxide mixed with water, and i can tell you it made a BIG difference in my little pitbulls life already. Her name is Damane(duh-mahn-ee)and she is 4 months old,as soon as i started putting the solution on her she relaxed and u could see a big difference even before i took her out of the tub. i just wanted to say thank you because without this remedy i was going crazy because i couldn't even afford the drive to the vets let alone the actual vet visit. so this really was a life saver because between everyone in my family we all got the stuff together to make the solution. so Ted i really appritiate everything on here.
i do have some questions though. is it ok to mix just the 3% hydrogen peroxide with borax to make a paste to put on the worst spots? and does it hurt them if it gets in their eyes? i read something that said u could put mineral oil drops in their eyes. Is that safe??"
[YEA] 08/24/2009: Artur from Relleno, Rio Dulce, Guatemala: "It works! Our Great Dane had lost parts of her coat, she was itching 24 hours the day, her skin was reddish and she got more and more crusted hot spots. We lost 1 month of time by experimenting with a known pine oil remedy before I found this webside with Ted's remedy.
Now, after 2 Month, all problems are gone: hairs are growing back and she is playfull like before. This was (and is) our strategy:
To start, we gave her a regular dose of Ivamectine in form of pills. The dose had to be repeated after 7 - 10 days.
In the same time, we started to wash her with Teds remedy (borax peroxide) - twice for two weeks, then one time a week for another month. And to support her imune system, we gave her dayly 2 - 4 Tablespoons of Linaza Oil. Itching stopped after 3 days. One week later we had - mentaly - a new dog. 1 Month later hairs started to grow back - not very fast but one could see the progress.
The peroxide turned the black hair into chestnut, temporaly as we figured, but we thought it may be time now to quit with peroxide - the job was done.
Since than, we wash her once a week with a solution of Neem Oil and some drops Soup as emulgator. This is 1 Tablespoon 100% Neem Oil, a few drops of liquid Soup and 1 Liter Water, Shake well and wash the doggie with a sponge until all used. Neem Oil keeps all parasites away and is absolutely harmless to your dog and yourself. Read about Neem Oil in the Internet! We found 1 Liter for aprox. 20 $, for our Lola it is a one year supply, a chiwawa can cover his whole lifespan with this.
Thanks Ted !"
[YEA] 08/21/2009: Shirley from Singapore: "H202/Borax: Many thanks Ted for sharing your mange cure online. I have tried this on my dog and it has worked wonders! My dog had smelly and itchy ears as well. I poured the mixed solution into his ears / on his body after his bath. I also use this solution on his affected areas daily and in 2 weeks, he is mange free!"Replies
02/16/2010: Jasmine Loo from Singapore replies: "Hi, I have problem getting Borax in S'pore. Where did you get yours?"
08/17/2009: Via from Iloilo, Jaro, Philippines: "we have a dog named storm she has mange since shes five months old until now that shes almost one year and five months already.we are always a client in every animal clinic here in our place we tried lots and lots of remedy just to make sure our dog will be okay we tried injectables such as ivermectin but its hopeless until we found this in the net.the ted's remedy we have just tried it this morning i hope i get it right 2 cups of hydrogen peroxide mix with 4 cups of lukewarm water and 4 tablespoon of borax.how we wish that our dog will be fine and be well with this remedy.just want to ask if this remedy is safe to use IF THE DOG IS PREGNANT?HOPING TO HEAR MORE ADVISES FROM YOU. THANKS A LOT.VIA"
[YEA] 08/16/2009: Denise from Palos Heights, Illinois: "treatment for demodectic mange:
wash area affected with Boraxo solution 3-4 x per day
soak with hydrogen peroxide 3-4 x per day
grapeseed oil/ lavender massage oil (1oz oil:15-18 drops of lavender oil)
apply liberally to area massage in 3-4x per day
the lavender not only is natural, has anesthetic properties for itching, it smells good is relaxing for your dog and is an antiseptic. It also interfers with the larvae stage reproduction of the mange. I don't like the products available with all the side effects so I told the vet ill research my own. As a nurse massage therapist for mothers to be and infants, researching everyones advice and research on the actual bug itself I came up with this. less irritating to our little family members, inexpensive and I love the smell and massage time with my pets. And best of all it works!"
04/12/2010: Mitzipars from Port Richey, Fl replies: "First, I wanted to comment on the Lavender Oil suggestion and my experience.
I gave my Pomeranian a bath in the H202, water and Borax and took him into our Sun Room to dry. I noticed a few small fleas had dropped into the pan I used and after placing him on the floor he was trying to find ways to scratch him on his back and more so on his stomach. I took a cotton swap and placed the lavender oil on his stomach and within less than a minute, where he could not stop scratching himself suddenly stopped. This works wonders.
Also, I do have a question. I had taken him to the Vet on Saturday (smelling an infection) and noticing these little clusters of black specks on his underside, not to mention his hair has been thinning out. I took him because when I had flea combed him (I do this every day after his 1st time out and before bed in lieu of topical flea killers that did NOT work) and noticed these when having to pry with tweezers small fleas off his "private areas" all these specks and the odor. I took some store bought fleas spray and placed it on a cotton ball and held it on this area with all the black specks. They were coming off on the cotton ball (not all). As I repeated this, more would. The odor got even worse through this process.
The Vet looked at him and immediately said he needed to be tested for Hypothyroid Disease and Cushing's Disease and those specks were blackheads. I took the prescription for antibiotics and left to stop this infection as fast as possible.
My question is how do you know if it is mites or the above Diseases?
I must say I came home and used a baby wipe to test out the blackhead theory and nothing happened. Then I repeated my process with cotton ball and flea spray liquid (that kills on contact fleas) and these specks started coming off again. This time I noticed extremely (I do mean extremely small red specks coming off as well)."
06/02/2010: Melisa from Ridgeland, South Carolina replies: "Just starting treatment, but need some clarification. Seems everyone applies at different intervals...weekly, biweekly, daily? Also, some recommend bathing prior to each treatment. Isn't this very drying to the skin? I want to use some type of oil treatment in conjunction with borax, but concerned that it will interfere with action. My dogs also swim in salt water occasionally (which usually soothes skin, but does not cure mange) I assume I need to reapply borax after salt water exposure. I also use spray bottle to apply between baths or to hit extra itchy spots. I was spritzing dogs with mixture of water, grapeseed oil, tea tree oil and lavender to control itching and recondition skin....is this negating borax treatment or is it okay to mix the two? My dogs are siblings, have been treating with monthy promeris applications, but with spring came a terible exacerbation...we have a new baby and I tried a cheaper food so I think the combination allowed opportunity in. We have gone back to the $$$$ food and added fish oil, flaxseed, salmon ect. Interestingly, the one with the worse case has always been a scary and easily stressed dog...my laid back female has had NO problems until now and her condition is minor. Dogs are 2 years old, bulldog/houndog mix. I do see improvements already in skin...no crusting, less flaking and greasiness. I came home tonight, though and noticed flaking areas which led me to apply oil mixture...maybe a simple brushing would have sufficed. Trying to do everything I can, but maybe messing with treatment by doing to much. Also concerned that tea tree oil could be toxic if dogs lick themselves (though I read it would discourage licking and chewing mine are doing it as I write.) Would a simple oil rub with or without lavender be better...maybe oil at night as needed, then bath and borax in the am? I know a lot of this is trial and error and depends on your dog and their response, just don't want to mess it up while working so hard. I realize there is no cure and the goal is to control symptoms until the animal's immune system recovers...also realize ths is very run on for which I apologize. What other options are there for flea control when dogs are getting frequent baths that remove topical flea treatment?"
06/03/2010: Lisa from Wichita Falls, Texas replies: "To Melisa from South Carolina,
Yes, giving too many baths will dry your pets skin. I had a neighbor who was doing this for their pet and the poor thing looked like it had a horrible case of dandruf it's skin got so dry. Anyway, I have had dealings with the mange. I have a dog and 10 cats( yes I said 10!) all I used was cotton balls and plain old cooking oil. Just soak the cotton ball in cooking oil and rub everywhere that the pet's hair is thinning.
Mange is mited under the skin and the oil suffocates them. And if the animal licks the oil it will not hurt them .I just used it twice a day for about a week or so. You will need to do it longer if it is a bad case of mange .If the animal has dry scabby or crusty places on them, you can put peroxide on those places about 3 times a day until gone. I also used antibiotic ointment on places where the animal had scratched and put scratches on them selves.But,as long as you have cooking oil and cotton balls,you are good to go!!! Just to mention, I had one that when I took her in she was a tiny little thing and before the mange got better, she was bald from the neck up. Her whole head was bald. The oil worked. With her I had to do this for about 2 weeks!"
04/13/2011: Diamond from Salisbury, Ma, Usa replies: "Denise: Here are two articles based on what I found to be information based on these essential oils for pets..... http://www.thelavendercat.com/3201/index.html
This other website states how these oils are made up & how..... http://www.suite101.com/content/do-essential-oils-kill-cats-a27992 It maybe best to do a lot more web search before we try every thing or any thing on our animals. I know I was very upset and anxious to find a cure for my kitten where she had the mange but I read and continued to read until I found many people in this forum as well as others that found this remedy of peroxide & borax to be very effective and it does work. The rest I leave up to the kitten and nature and pray for the best results.
05/26/2011: Felicita from Tigard, Or replies: "I recently purchased a pet bed from the Goodwill and apparently, it contained sardetic mites. I have two chihuahuas and after approximately 3 weeks, my black chi began having hair fallout. He also was smelling bad. There was some crusting and as I began to clear away the crust.. Well the hair came out in mass quantities. I found this website and immediately began the following process for both of my chis to be sure of no cross contamination:
1. all washable/bleachable items where the dogs have come into contact, including their new pet bed were washed with bleach on the sanitary (super hot) cycle.
2. any linens, pillows, etc. , that could not be washed have been placed and sealed in plastic bags and are on a 30 day quarrantine. Sarcoptic mites live 21 days without feeding.
3. Dogs are now quarantined to the kitchen area and not allowed on carpets or furniture. (This is very difficult but I feel better safe than sorry.)
4. Natural cycle of these mites dictates that a female life cycle is apprx 30 days at which she will lay between 1-4 eggs daily under the skin. After 2-4 days these eggs hatch and go to the surface and begin eating dead skin cells. They will do this until they shed their outer shell twice, at which time they are now adult mites and go back under the skin to breed. It may take between 3-6 days on the surface of the skin for this stage of the mite development.
For the next 30 days, I will use the h202borax solution on my dogs on each 3rd day. This will prevent hatched mites on the surface from surviving and breeding. On the days that I use Ted's solution, I do not preshampoo or post rinse with the dip nor do I apply any other topical treatment for 24 hours. On the following day I am using emu oil (because it is a deep carrier to the lower levels of tissue), plus almond oil, plus 1 drop of lavender essential oil. This would be about 4T of Almond 2T Emu and 1 drop of Lavender essential. In all areas where I see redness or notice scratching, I saturate a cottonball and apply the oil solution. I also apply the solution to any areas where there is no hair and about 1" beyond the balding area. They say that the oil suffocates the mites beneath the skin and stops the reproduction process. On the following day (which is now the day before the dip, I check for redness, hair fallout, and I do not bathe but simply look for areas that may need the oil treatment. I will not be bathing my dogs if it is not necessary as the twice a week dips are definitely drying the skin out.
I am on day 4 today and I have noticed that there is no longer any bad smell. There is also no hair fall out.
Each chi is responding differently to these mites. One chi never scratches himself and yet had tremendous mass hair fall out and responds to the dip with heavy panting. My other chi scratches contstantly but has not got the mass hair fall out and loves the dip. I think this info may be helpful to those who are worried about their dogs reaction to the dip.
I cannot stress enough the importance of sterilizing your home for these mites. It is a pain in the butt but well worth it as sarcoptic mange can be passed to humans. Since the chi's are sectioned off from the rest of the house, treating my home with insectcides is much easier. I have no desire to harbor these tiny devils on my body only to reinfect my little ones again.
I cannot swear that this is the solution as I have not gone through the entire process. I can tell you however that I am having very impress results.
I do not know if I can add to this post as an update, but if not, you may have to search further again to see what happened.
I did in fact contact management with Goodwill Industries as I feel they need to change their policies and either treat certain items with mite killer or quarrantine items that are high risk or at the bare minimum each item should be sold with a warning that no treatment or quarrantine was carried out.
These little buggers are lethal!"
06/01/2011: Felicita from Tigard, Or replies: "5/31 - five days from my last post. I have noticed that there is an absolute change in my black chi. His hair has stopped falling out in clumps and he does not smell bad. But the large area where there is no hair, his skin has gone from slightly puffy pink to black. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
they (Pico and Piper) are no longer quarrantined to the kitchen, but are being kept out of some of the areas of the house. I have done more washing/bleaching in the last several days.. but I do not what a reocurrence of this nightmare.
Piper never had clumps falling out, in fact he was only scratching and I decided to put him on the same treatment program which I have slightly modified:
day 1: dip
day 2: oil
day 3: rest
day 4: shampoo/dip
day 5: oil
day 6: rest
day 7: dip
day 8: oil
day 9: rest
day 10: shampoo/dip
you get the picture.
dip is 1 cup 3% hydrogen peroxide plus 2 cups hot water w/2.5 Tabl 20 Mule Team Borax. This is enough to do 1 dog. I stand the dog in a plastic square bucket and pour the solution on him. Then reuse the solution until the dog is saturated. He is then allowed to run around the kitchen and get the floors all wet while I do the other dog. When they are both done making a mess on the floor, I use a white towel to clean the floor off to make sure their environment stays pretty clean.
On the oil day (see recipe above) I use this on any bare from hair fall out to protect the skin from drying out and anywhere that they are scratching or that I see any red spots. I place a little in my hands and massage into their coats. They smell wonderful and their coats are shiny. A little bit goes a long way. I then brush them out.
So far so good. I have another 20 days to go with this treatment.
I have bleached and washed and treated everything darned near .. and after each treatment I take away their linens which are now white bleachable towels (no more doggie blankets til this thing is done with.)
Many items in my house that cannot be bleached are now sitting in sealed plastic bags in quarrantine. 21 day appears to be the life span of a mite without its host. I have many things in 30 day quarrantine."
[YEA] 08/14/2009: Dara from Mehanicsburg, Il: "Ted's mange cure: My 3 year old yorkie was itching like crazy!! He had small black bumps on is back and his hair was falling out. He was so miserable. I searched the internet and found Ted's recipe. I used the solution exactly as directed yesterday and Barcle's itching stopped immediatey! I will continue to use this until he is all cured. His back already looks better and he sure has calmed down. Thank You Ted!!!"
[YEA] 08/14/2009: Jeldridge6 from Hankamer, Texas: "YEA, I've been frustrated from trying treatments for the scabies-mange mites. We had it really bad when we lived in Florida, I also caught it. We moved to Texas and I used Revolution for 2 wks, and it didn't get rid of it (also very, very expensive). I've been using the peroxide, borax, water, treatment now for 5 days and I've seen the disease stopped the doggie has been looking better. I put the borax in a grated cheese container and sprinkled it on the carpet. I've run out of peroxide so I'm going to try the vinegar treatment with the borax with my other dogs they also have it but not as bad as the one."