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Cure for Rosacea

Last Modified on Jul 15, 2014


 

Lysine, Vitamin C, Apple Cider Vinegar, Vaseline

Approval Ratings
YEA (1)
100%

[YEA]  12/22/2008: Diane from Raleigh, NC: "I have had a terrible struggle with severe rosacea on my face, eyes, and neck the past few months, along with seborrheic dermatitis on and behind my ears. This attacked with a vengeance at age 50 after a lifetime of no significant skin problems. The onset was after a serious illness, possibly autoimmune, so it seems it was facilitated by a compromised immune system. After getting progressively worse following my dermatologist's recommendations, I started reading and researching everything I could get my hands on. There were many days I wouldn't even leave the house because my face and eyes were so raw and swollen. My facial features were nearly unrecognizable as my own, and I was truly desperate, and was terribly afraid I would never look normal again. I finally seem to have found a combination of remedies that have almost miraculously returned my skin to its former (smooth, soft, unblemished, not red) self, and I am praying that there is no relapse.

So far, so good, and I wanted to share what I am doing.

1).I am taking 4-5 lysine 1000 mg.tablets daily (2-3 a.m. & p.m.) along with several grams of vitamin C daily

2). After washing with a mild facial cleanser morning & evening, I follow with a ACV straight out of the bottle all over the affected areas applied with a cotton ball.

3) After 5 minutes, I rinse off the ACV, pat dry, and apply vaseline all over my face & neck. The results have been amazing! I don't know this for fact, but IF rosacea is caused by mites, I think that the vaseline may smother them, but I'd love to hear Ted's thoughts on this. As heavy as vaseline is, at night on rosacea-ravaged skin it is soothing and nicely absorbed, and you may be able to go a little lighter in the morning. This has been a godsend for me, and I would love to know if anyone else tries it and what their results are. I will post an update after awhile to see if I remain clear."

Replies
04/09/2009: Ashok from Bangalore, India replies: "I would like to add that vaseline may not be good for everyone as I did the same mistake and then was told by my doctor that vaseline can in fact block the pores and may aggravate the problem. Instead, he asked me to use another cream to treat the flakes on my facial skin which has resulted from Rosacea and Seborrheic Dermatitis. I will try though Borax treatment and hopefully rid myself of this condition.Thanks to all the people who are helping others with their comments and experiences."
04/10/2009: Che from Roxas City, Phil replies: "Reply for Diane You did the right thing by your choice of remedies for your rosecea. Just this month, i had the same issue on my face and neck my remedy was 50 % hydrogen peroxide and 50 % ACV. The next morning its all gone as if nothing appeared."

Makeup

Approval Ratings
BETTER BUT NOT CURED (1)
100%

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  07/20/2013: Philip from Glasgow, Scotland Uk: "I am 80 years old and entertain at care homes. When Rosacea flares up and I look like a clown my wife puts her panstick makeup on it and it relieves the pain (temporarily) but it reduces the redness for some time. I wish some chemist would look into this. Philip"

Manuka Honey

Approval Ratings
YEA (2)
67%
BETTER BUT NOT CURED (1)
33%

[YEA]  08/31/2010: Carlos from London, Spain: "I think here at earthclinic should create a different category for Manuka Honey. Even tho every raw honey is beneficial Manuka Honey deserves its own category. I thought it was a myth and that it was just like any other. But I've used it on my face and my rosacea is gone my skin is smooth and I look 10 years younger. I have not take it internally but Manuka honey is 20 times more anti bacteria and anti inflammatory than tea tree oil. It's selling millions all around the world improving every kind of ailment. I have to say I have not used anything better. I rank manuka honey 1st and ACVwith olive oil 2nd. It also should be added in the founatin of youth category and acne. I thank God for allowing me to try this elixir. If it does this in my skin that fast I can't imagine what it can do in the blood stream. Truly miracle"

Replies
03/17/2012: Lyndsay from Manchester, Uk replies: "Hi, what strength manuka honey did you use? Thanks x"
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  06/04/2013: Kelly from Toronto, On replies: "I completely agree. I am in my early 20s and I have mild rosacea along with some acne. For years in my teens I was using conventional face products like Oil of Olay and my skin was dry and of course acneic. I've read in a few places that when your skin is properly hydrated it is less susceptible to acne causing bacteria. My face was so bad a few months ago (inflamed, lots of minor acne scars, texture was very thick and I got those big under the surface pimples) that I actually considered going back to conventional makeup to hide my face. I swept up drug store samples of everything and went to Holts for the high end stuff. It looked awful on my face and my face was even worse. I was reacting to everything left and right. The natural moisturizers I'd been using just weren't cutting it. I did a lot of research and was just short of making my own, but I found that a few companies provided the perfect mix of actives with natural moisturizing factors to help me out. Also I could mix in my own actives to cater to my needs. I have used SkinActives since February, and this is not an advertisment for them. A few of their creams with the addition of niacinamide and white willow bark etc. have been AMAZING. Not only do they moisturize well (with water binding molecules and amazing antioxidant skin protection) I have seen an amazing reduction in acne, and facial redness. I love these moisturizers with facial oils and other serums on top.

This has not been the most amazing thing for my face by far though. I would say that manuka honey-from the first 30 minute topical treatment-I did with it, has shown by the fast the greatest improvement in my skin. I do not wash my face with anythiing else, though before this I was washing with my moisturizer and buttermilk powder. Honey is my new wash and mask. Another amazing mask is honey and seaweed powder. I feel as though in a couple of months I can go out without any makeup. I wear the tiniest amount of makeup since these amazing discoveries. Acne is viritually gone and scars are so light and my redness is faint, until the next time I get embarrassed. I use Sappho makeup which is a light-full coverage foundation, but I am going to be going to be adding Living Nature tinted foundation as I need viritually nothing these days. I hope this helps someone else, and may the experimenting for even greater ingredients continue. The Manuka honey I use is of a high MGO number."

[YEA]  09/11/2009: Marilynn from Winston-salem, North Carolina: "I have had rosacea for ten years now. It started duing perimenopause. It has devastated me quite often when there is a social event or even a trip to the store. I went to a dermotologist and he recommended a topical gel. That worked for a while but later on it seemed to aggravate it worse than before. I tried several of the rememedies on this site and I found that apple cider vinegar made my skin quite dry whether I used it topically or drank it. After endless searching on the internet, I found a site that talked about manuka honey. I have taken a teaspoon of honey three times a day 30 minutes before a meal. I washed my face with it and every other day add a teaspoon of brown sugar. If the mixture is too dry only add a drop of water. It is amazing what it has done to my skin. I am now writing to you with a clear complexion and only a very very slight pink to my face. I read that even though the mites are to blame sometimes h. pylori in our stomach contributes to it too. I wish you all well and hopes that this also helps you."

Manuka Honey, Grapefruit Seed Extract

03/26/2010: Sue from Va: "Hi all, and thanks for this amazing site. I am wondering what experience anyone would be willing to share about using manuka honey or grapefruit seed extract topically on rosacea or perioral dermatitis. I've never used either one, but am intrigued by the feedback readers have given for other conditions.

Would the honey "feed" the mites rather than kill them, or is the antimicrobial factor stronger than the sugar in honey?

Does the GSE work, and how precisely would one dilute/apply it?

Many thanks for taking the time to write!"

Manuka Honey, Zinc Oxide

Approval Ratings
YEA (1)
100%

[YEA]  04/20/2012: Newlynatural from Deerfield B, Fl/ Usa: "I've had rosacea forever. Everyone always asked me if I had gotten some sun. Or I've been dubbed rosy cheek girl. Every time I start feeling hot My face is bright red. This is not cute in your twenties. I used makeup forever to cover up the problem but im 24 and it was simply just annoying every morning putting on make up and getting my clothes dirty from the makeup. But my bf is the reason I actually switched to not wearing make up. He kept encouraging me to be natural blah blah. It was a tough road at first detoxing my skin because so many years of make up made my skin almost unbareable to look at naturally. But a month later and 300 organic sites later I found the two items that cleared me up.

First: Manuka Honey- amazing, toned my redness down and started clearing up all the little bumps I had. Didnt really clear but made my face livable and detoxed my skin for sure.

2nd: Zinc Oxide Ointment 20% from any drug store

I started putting this stuff on my problem places for three days morning and night and was noticeably clearer within 2.

A man I work with came to my desk with skin cancer on his body. But his face was completely clear. He told me he had been using sun block with zinc oxide religiously on his face and his doctor was amazed by how much his skin had improved and cleared. So I jumped on it quick.

A week later I am clearer then ever. I also want to add that I have been drinking aloe vera juice from the HFS and Im sure it has contributed. But I am so amazed and shocked in the transformation of my skin. And beside a little mascara and lip color from time to time I have stopped wearing make up. It was worth the transition time. GOOD LUCK."

Replies
04/22/2012: Olddude from Chattanooga, Tn, Usa replies: "I am using zinc oxide in a baby rash ointment, works just like your product and it works fast at 13 percent zinc oxide. glad ur getting healed."

Master Cleanse

Approval Ratings
YEA (1)
100%

[YEA]  Caroline from Keller, Texas: "I recently went on the "Master Cleanse" and after only 3 days noticed a drastic change in the appearance of my rosacea redness. My skin had a creamy white appearance with tight pores that I have not experienced since I was in my 20's (I am 38). I only lasted 5 days on this detox/cleanse but my initial intent was weight loss. What a wonderful side effect! I am not sure if these will be lasting effects or not. Only time will tell. Since most people believe that rosacea is a result of PH I believe quite possibly this could be a possible cure. I am not sure of the exact life cycle of the demodex mite. I am speculating if a person could stay on the cleanse long enough to cover the life cycles then that would end up being a viable solution to the problem."

Mites Connection

04/06/2012: Gayle In Jacksonville from Jacksonville, Fl: "Found wonderful article online from a Dr in China (I know but read it first please). Been working on formula with many studies since Korean War. Proves a connection between the mites and rosacea. Even tells how to test skin for the mites. Has products (very reasonable) for treatment. His website is www.demodexsolutions.com/all_about_demodex.asp as soon as I read it everything clicked.

I used Ted's mange treatment a few years on my 5 mo old mini doxie and he was cured with two weeks. Must be something to it. I'm gonna try the Dr's products and let you know. I'm 70 and can't remember a time I didn't have Rosacea. Hate it."

Moisturizer, UV Light

Approval Ratings
BETTER BUT NOT CURED (1)
100%

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  03/08/2010: Piper from Toronto, On Canada: "I had a second rosacea outbreak. My first at age 43 related to stress. This one was even worse and I probably aggravated it by treating it like a bad acne breakout. My skin was burnt and a mass of pimples. The skin was so raw I couldn't use the medication cream as I had for the first outbreak. I decided to just try to heal the skin and deal with the pimples later. I tried to super hydrate my burnt skin, with coconut oil. Then I bought a super moisturizer at the drug store and that seemed to work better. Oil seemed to just sit on my skin. I called a contact at a light therapy company. The clinician suggested UV light to manage acne as it kills bacteria. I went for a tanning session and that seemed to help as well."

Multiple Remedies

Approval Ratings
YEA (3)
25%
NAY (3)
25%
BETTER BUT NOT CURED (6)
50%

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  06/16/2013: Om from Hope, B.c., Canada: "I never used to have rosacea except the last two years and I am over 60. I thought it came as a result of severe trauma and stress. But then again, I have pets that are itchy and I am still persevering with their problem.

Last time I used the colloidal silver I made at home and I never go so scientific, just use a cotton ball and as I sit at the pc do the dabbing for a good 30 mins.

Skin turns out perfect. But this year, again severe stress and trauma, I find when I am in the garden I must wear a hat. It seems the sun causes it in part. I have had the pinkness and itch for years on my scalp and lost much of my hair. Then, when I used straight ACV this took a turn for the good. I alternatively use ACV and coconut oil on my hair. Having a fine, fair and dry complexion, for many years I have used Mahanarayan oil which is sesame oil which added minerals. Even though I am on the wrong side of years, I get compliments for my fine and flawless skin. Coconut oil is for skin with good oil content. The shampoo I use is Dr. Bronner's which is pure kastile soap with a choice of essential oils, from the health food store. I use this also for cleaning my mouth and teeth and it is pleasant and really shines the teeth.

My thinking is the ACV is too hot for a hot condition except if there are lesions. In that case it really works well on them. Coconut oil, aloe vera, are cool and seem to counteract the heat and redness. I can go for many months, even a year and then it makes its reappearance.

As to colloidal silver. Especially if it is a case of mites, CS really kills them. I know in case of bed bugs, they drop dead instantly upon contact. So with other mini monsters. I never spend much money on all kinds of products as God's pharmacy has much to offer. It just requires time for research. I am vegan and have a very healthy regimen with green drinks, lots of veggies and no bread except rye crackers at times or crepes with barley flour, chia seeds and hemp nuts, and coconut products.

Elimination is perfect as I have used Triphala for years which rejuvenates the digestive tract as well. So, I think it can't be the diet - maybe mites. Mites are also in pillows and so one has to throw them out periodically.

It is the experimentation which helps us to get in touch with our bodies as our chemical composition varies from person to person. So one shirt does not fit all. I thought I might try a borax paste as well as it kills mites. Love to all. Om"

[NAY]  03/14/2013: Mary from Upstate, Ny: "I have been reading through the site on rosacea and it appears that I don't have the same symtoms as others. My neck and chest are red but I have no bumps. I have been drinking 1 tbsp of ACV mixed with either water or grape juice daily for the last three weeks. I have also been taking supplements (Lysine, Zinc, D3) daily for the last month. I'm afraid to apply ointments to my neck and chest fearing that it could become worse. Spring is now fast approaching and I can no longer wear turtlenecks to hide it. Does anyone have any advice for getting rid of the redness? I have tried laser treatments and it didn't help."

Replies
03/15/2013: Donna from Phoenix, Arizona replies: "Hi Mary. You might want to try going gluten free. Take wheat, barley, rye and oats out of your diet. You might notice your symptoms diminishing within a week or two. Also, consider supplementing with a good quality multi vitamin/mineral supplement and a good quality essential fatty acid supplement (fish oil, borage oil, evening primrose oil) so you can provide your body with all of the essential nutrients that it needs. A good book to read is The Wheat Belly Diet. It might help you understand why it is necessary for you to be gluten free so your immune system can heal. God Bless."

[BETTER BUT NOT CURED]  03/01/2013: Sunshine from Melbourne, Australia: "I want to take the opportunity to post about my rosacea experience and at the same time thank everyone who's posted here.

I got rosacea after an illness. My body wasn't taking in nutrients and I lost about 10% body weight. I'm slender, generally very fit, 54 years old. Losing this weight put my body under enormous stress. Add to this the emotional stress of a failed business venture, and the on-set of menopause, it was a difficult time. About 10 years ago I had minor rosacea that my derm treated with antibiotics, I took them for a few weeks about two or three times per year and thought nothing of it. My skin looked perfectly fine.

This time, weak and emotionally exhausted, I got odd pimples which within a few days turned into full blown rosacea. Red, raised, angry skin, symmetrically on both sides of my face and on my nose. Lots of ugly pimples. No pain or stinging but it looked horrendous. It took over a month for me to get to my derm who prescribed an anti-scabies creme against the mites and antibiotics. I goggled the scabies creme, and, finding what it contained, trashed it. I read everything I could on Earth Clinic and related sites and did this: washed my face with a gentle pure olive oil soap to which I added a few drops of tea tree oil. Moisturised my face with a carrier oil (I alternated between olive oil and sesame oil for the face) and a few drops of tea tree oil. When the crawling sensation of the mites got too bad, I'd take a facial steam bath with added camomile tea, to sooth the skin. This procedure is based on the abstract of an article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774398) which states that demodex mites die at about 58 degree C. The steam bath (the 'pot of boiling water and towel' type) always got rid of the crawling sensation for the night. I sometimes did the steam bath 10 days in a row till I had no more nightly crawling sensation. I'm not sure how hot the steam is (obviously boiling is 100 degrees C, but how hot is it when I put my face over the pot - perhaps 50 degrees C?)

When the results were too slow in coming (I am a manager and have a lot of people around me), I took antibiotics (tetracycline) for 20 days exactly. I wasn't cured but thought I'd do all the rest naturally. I paid particular attention to my diet. In my case, I am doing the GAPS diet which is great for anyone who is undernourished due to intolerances. It's a difficult diet, because it requires lots of cooking. I drank apple cider vinegar in the morning and the evening; took lots of supplements such as double doses of Vitamin B, zinc, primrose oil. My naturopath felt I was low on copper, so I took that as well.

My rosacea nearly cleared within 2 months, and then I got a second bout. Different from the first. No pimples, but red, raised, angry skin, this time on my cheeks. The red skin hardened, practically scabbed. I felt and looked horrid. And more so- the skin burned and stung. I believe it may be seborrheic dermatitis.

Back to the internet, back to Earth Clinic. This time I'm doing all of the above, but have added Oil of Oregano. My thought is that this outbreak may well be related to mites, but feels and looks more like some fungus. I tried Selsun Blue which burnt, and it sort-of felt wrong to put a chemically-based shampoo on my cheeks. I turned to Oil of Oregano 3 times daily, 3-5 drops ingested with honey or in vegetable juice (beware, it burns and tastes horrid). I use one drop mixed in a carrier oil on my skin, twice daily. Especially on the angry, hard, raised welts. The oil is amazingly strong, so if you try it, be careful. Oil of Oregano is said to be an anti-fungal. It burnt but I feel it has worked. In three days my face is nearly (not quite) at a point where I can go out without makeup.

My conclusion about rosacea: a very complex, multifaceted disease, defiantly related to stress, and majorly related to the gut (I'm currently sugar, grains, caffein and alcohol free). Once we've got it, I believe we need to get rid of the mites and whatever else there is, on an external basis. But it is an internal disease which expresses itself externally. The GAPS diet is right for me, but others may need to do a raw food or juicing diet - whatever it is that has led the body to be out of sync. I'm dealing with my menopause by taking black cohosh and am feeling more in sync with myself. I drink lots of water with fresh sliced ginger and some lemon. About three litres per day. These past three months have been the most horrid of my life. I have, and can, face many hardships, but when my face looks so horrid, I find it so terribly hard to face up to my ex, or my colleagues, or face the world.

I pray to the Universe this is the last bout of this demoralising, humiliating and humbling illness and that I'll be cured soon. And I pray to the universe that everyone struggling with this disease find their cure."

[YEA]  07/16/2012: D from Small Town, Ia, USA: "Ivermectin. Sesame Oil. Lactoferrin. Enzymes, Probiotics. Antibacterial hand sanitizer. Providone Iodine.

Ivermectin. Topically applied every three days, for as long as you need to. You will know when to stop. Use it for at least two weeks to be sure. Buy it at a farm or animal store. If you tried everything else, then at least try ivermectin. It could be mites or a nanoinsect deep in the skin. Just a note, if it is mites or insects, it will look a bit worse before it gets better, the insects will fight the medicine. Use at least three times, spaced two or three days apart to kill the ones that hatch. This is essential if you have the little white dots and pimple-like rosacea that appears rapidly and does not respond to any other treatments.

Sesame Oil. Antibacterial and antimicrobial, kills staph, strep and other bacteria. Applied topically. Controls the flaky skin, and the little red dots of infection, which is what I believe is caused by a secondary bacterial infection due to staph or strep. Use the unprocessed, golden kind. This is a good choice to try for children, or if the skin is very tender and irritated. Sesame oil will take at least three days to work, but if it is going to work for you you'll see gradual improvement.

Lactoferrin. Enzymes, Probiotics. The only helpful thing my doctor said to me was, "perhaps your flora has changed". I'm positive there is a something going on in the immune system of anyone with skin conditions. Lactoferrin will help knock out the mycoplasmas that may be overwhelming your system.

Antibacterial hand sanitizer will control the flaky, red skin and make your skin look more normal, but must be used everyday a few times a day. Providone iodine, not a cure, but may help some of you.

This is for all of you who may have tried everything, and nothing has worked for you. It worked for me, and believe me, I tried everything.

Best Wishes."

08/30/2011: Princewith2spleensit Is Great That A Variety Of Pe from Sheffield, England: "It is great that a variety of people from varying cultures have come together to share their insights on this sensitive subject area. Rosacea is a terrible condition and I for one am greatfull to earthlink, for providing us with this unique platform. I have benefited a great deal from all of you! Thank you all.


One common denominator that all rosacian's suffer from is, 'stress' myself included. Rosacea is a progressive condition and it feeds of our negativity, anxiety etc. I would suggest to anyone suffering from Rosacea to attempt to remove yourself from the cause of your frustration be that a circumstance, situation or person. I meditate and would recommend it in combination with your own health regimen.

Beware of the Sun.

Sun Sense daily face suncream (SPF 50 ) is the best sunblock I have used. When outdoors (during daylight hours) I religiously apply sunblock. When the sun is bright I wear protective eyewear and a broad brimmed hat. When my skin is partcularly sensitive I use an umberella that has a protective lining against harmful ultra violet radiation these things are commonly available online these days. I am also starting to wear specialist clothing which I also acquired on the web. My rosacea is aggrevated enormously by sunlight and I tend to have to perform my daily exercise during the night. Exercise and stretching is important, so don't let yourself go!

It is also important that we act resposibly when taking topical drugs. Antibiotics do come with side effects, many of which, front line doctors know little about. My GP prescribed me 'oxytetracycline', which I believe is commonly prescribed to individuals with Rosacea in the UK. Unfortunately, soon after taking the drug I developed an allergic reaction which has left my entire body sun-sensitive. Sun-sensitivity is a systemic problem and I am writing a cautionary tale as I do not wish offers to suffer the same plight.

We need to get educated and understand the limits of our 'new' bodies, to deter even more severe problems like skin cancer from surfacing. We need to eat appropriately, avoid smoking and drinking and protect the young, share our insights and remain vigilant.

As many have you have already learned, it is important to remain positive, as every new dawn offers fresh hope. Good luck to all of you and keep writing. Things will improve.

Neil"

Replies
08/30/2011: Dud from From The Woods Of, Wv, Usa replies: "Dear Princewith2spleens (Neil);

Why don't you try some of the remedies detailed on earthclinic.Com, instead of just treating the symptoms? Forget the applying of some B.M.A. Doctor's cortisone cream and go for the gold instead. You sound like you have given up on a healing taking place. Shake youself free from your belief in failure."

08/31/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia replies: "According to the link I have attached rosacea is caused by a lack of B2.

If that is the case then why don't you try a good B complex vitamin or just have the so called superfoods which contain pretty much all the vitamins and minerals (chlorella, spirulina... etc.)

I would also think swimming in sea water would clear up the condition as it is like having a "mineral bath". If you can't get to the sea.. Buy some unrefined sea salts and put into hot water to dissolve and wash your face with it for a day (don't be stingy on the amount of salt) or put it in a bath and splash it on your face.

Dud is right, don't treat the symptoms, research at what is causing the deficiency. Your body is lacking in something... Why?"

01/21/2011: Grateful For Earth Clinic from Livingston, Montana, Usa: "Thank you Earth Clinic! I broke out with rosacea 8 months ago after adopting a street dog in Costa Rica. She had alopesia and I felt there was a connection. I've been to two dermatologists, an Acupuncturist, a medical doctor, an esthetician and a veterinarian all with no good results. My rosacea progressed to cystic acne so finding this site I started applying 1/4 c Apple Cider Vinegar mixed with 3/4 c green tea twice a day followed by coconut oil and the acne went away but the rosacea still persists.

Finding out about the mites connection I did some further internet search and found these sites and wanted to share. They have great info about the mite connection and the mites themselves.

Due to cost and toxicity I'm going to try Ted's remedies first along with baby shampoo and/or Dandruff shampoo for me and my pets. I'll let you all know how it goes. Good luck and thanks again!"

EC: Sorry, your links you provided did not work.

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01/23/2011: Robert Henry from Ten Mile, Tenn. replies: "HI U GRATEFUL, , , , , , , , After treating my nose for Demodex mites for many years, I now have them under control. I got the formula from this site, but have refined it somewhat. First, mites live in your hair follicles, because that is where the nutrients are. If you got nose mites then treat only the hair inside your nose. I now mix up a concoction in a soda cap that includes tea tree oil, borax, vitamin E oil and hydrogen peroxide. The active ingredient is tea tree oil so add it until it has a strong smell. I have posted many times concerning this and think you can only control the little devils. Over time the most important thing I have learned is that the little buggers must have hair and that's what you need to treat.

We just finished a 10 day liver and lymph detox , finishing Up with a liver flush. Got lots of stones this year so I got to start living closer to the cross and not do the second martini. At 75, I was going out at 78 , but have now set my goal at 92.

I appreciate this site but Few people talk about the big picture. Your health is a whole body thing and not something specific. This BV thing puts me into the top of a tall, tall Pine Tree, but it consumes this site.

It's kinda like Aids. Behave yourself and that will not be a problem. Illegitimate children just happen, kinda like S---, stuff.

I'll get chastised for that remark. It's a PC thing. I'm too old to worry about such drivel. I would encourage new folks to read first and post when they cannot find the answer.

Out of spit, =====ROBERT HENRY======="


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