Last Modified on Jun 29, 2014
Treatment of mycoplasma fermentans requires a directive approach as the bacteria lack a cell wall. As such, treatments incorporating natural remedies are often more effective than typical antibiotic options. Natural treatment options include chelation and destruction of the bacteria to prevent and reverse progression of the condition.
What is Mycoplasma Fermentans?
Mycoplasma fermentans is considered the most common Lyme co-infection. Cause by the smallest bacteria, the condition enters the body and spreads to any cell, altering its cellular makeup and division. Symptoms of the condition include flu-like aches and pains, cramps, muscle spasms, night sweats, fever, memory loss, depression, irritability, gastrointestinal issues and many others.
Natural Cures for Mycoplasma
Treating mycoplasma fermentans involves destroying and removing the bacteria from the system. Specific treatment options include borax, calcium and clove oil. These elements are used to breakdown and successively remove bacteria from the body.
Borax is a naturally-occurring mineral comprised of sodium, boron, oxygen and water. When used as a detoxifying agent, borax clings to toxins in the body and proceeds to remove them. A remedy dose is approximately 10 mg of boron dissolved in a quart of water daily.
Calcium can also be used as an effective chelation device. When taken daily, calcium binds to the nanobacteria and transfers them out of the body. Calcium also helps replenish lost nutrients.
Clove oil is another important component for treating mycoplasma fermentans. Clove oil serves as a nanobacteria killer when paired with calcium. The clove oil attacks the harmful bacteria better facilitating chelation.
Mycoplasma fermentans is a pervasive condition that involves the invasion of unique bacteria into any cell. Left untreated, the condition can progress rapidly; however, natural treatment options are available that facilitate effective removal of the pathogen as well as advanced recovery of the system.
11/04/2008: Pamela from Houston, Texas: "I am want to rid my body of mycoplasmas. I cannot fine any where as to how long (day, months, etc.) to use Borax. I also noticed some people were doing 5 day on and 2 day off. Is this the recommended protocol for using Borax? I would appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks
11/27/2013: Marie from Minneapolis replies: "I was reading on a fibromyalgia site that hyssop can help with mycoplasma. Also would cilantro and lecithin work to help remove the metals? How much niacin and hydrogen peroxide should someone use a day or dose. and what is edta?"
11/27/2013: Mike 62 from Denver, Colorado replies: "Marie: Some top notch people have a complete program they explain in detail that goes on for 100 days called SITS. The simple solution would be to get 4 sulfur containing proteins. These are easily denatured when cooked or exposed to synthetic everything. The main one is cysteine. The only food high in cysteine is raw whey isolate. Three superfoods that contain the other three proteins are raw cocoa powder, hawaiin spirulina, and dessicated liver. Sulfur turns on many important pathways, both nourishes and detoxes, and assists oxygen in energizing. The 80/10/10ers have a complete raw whole food program that enables the body to function at peak performance. You can watch their videos."
11/30/2013: Marie from Minneapolis replies: "Could you post a link to both the protocol and the videos. I tried an internet search for SITS, but I'm unsure if I found what you were referring to."
11/30/2013: Mike 62 from Denver, Colorado replies: "Marie: David Wolfe's Super Immune Tonic System."
01/05/2014: Khita from Michigan replies: "I am so grateful to have come upon this website. I acquired 8 different strains of mycoplasma when I lived in Japan in the late 1970's. Of course there was no diagnosis for my multiple symptoms. I was diagnosed by a retired physician here, in Ann Arbor Michigan, who did her medical training when mycoplasma was taught in medical school. It was patented by the army and dropped over Japan in 1940. I am sure there are more strains now than there were back then.
I have yet been able to completely kill it off because of its ability to reproduce. One needs to stay ahead of the cycle. One of the technologies that has really helped me and kept me from dying of this disease is a Rife machine. It is based on the technology of the electron microscope that Royal Raymond Rife created in the early 20th century. Mike in Kalamazoo has done an amazing job at researching and trying to perfect and create new equipment to help people heal. the website is truerife.com. It looks sci fi and I guess the machinery is....but it works.
I was on a pick line for a year and on an old cholesterol medication after that, but the Rife machine has helped the most. I am seeing an infectious disease physician and she is picking the brain of one of the creators of diseases like this. I will post any help that I can. If there is nothing else to do with this it is to help people get better.
Thank you to everyone for their contributions.
01/06/2014: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "Hi Khita...All very true what you say about mycoplasma. And if you want to know the the whole bio-warfare development cycle then this is a most interesting and detailed article:
This would also perhaps help to explain why diseases like CFS, AIDS, Morgellon's Disease, Mad Cow Disease, MS and Lyme never really existed until half way through the last century.
I've even come across an old article by Ted from Bangkok(on another site) where he said that when he was working in America for a food company, he contracted Morgellon's Disease. His boss, who had also worked on mycoplasma used in bio-ware, already knew the cure for Morgellon's Disease. Ted said that he didn't know the whole cure(his boss wouldn't tell him) but part of it consisted of taking 2-3% DMSO with 5% sodium perborate solution. This remedy is incomplete. When Ted used this remedy from his boss, he said that "it worked like magic" to cure him. They had to have this remedy to cure researchers working on weaponized mycoplasma if and when they got this mycoplasma disease. And that's why Ted recommends using sodium perborate and borax against diseases involving mycoplasma like Morgellons and Lyme."
01/06/2014: Prioris from Fl, Usa replies: "When most people think of health care solutions, shutting down the covert biochemical warfare assault by the government against the population and ending secrecy never enters their mind. The health of the population could be drastically improved dirt cheap if the powers that be allowed all the curative knowledge to seep out and activities detrimental to health curtailed. Thanks for the post on mycoplasma"
06/30/2006: David : "Don't know if I mentioned The Calcium Bomb by Doug Mulhall, but it is highly recommended by a local Naturopath here by the name of Dr. David Wood who has a lot of the latest research on it as well. They suspect nanobac may be at the source of a lot of disease and infection which is why chelation may be so effective for a lot of people. The edta breaks down the calcium shell that protects the nano bacteria. This is big news in Europe but still under wraps here because the patent has run out on the edta and there's no money in it for the drug companies! Regards"Replies
07/01/2006: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Yes, I have heard nanobacteria and calcium issues decades before and I have heard this book they wrote sometime ago, which I thought was just old information! What their issue did not adequately cover is the mycoplasma link... killing the mycoplasma by the use of large dose niacinamide, and the carry over effect of the lyme disease towards nanobacteria, the preventive carry over effect of the nanobacteria in your mouth to the blood vessels using zinc chloride (5% concentration) treated toothpaste. I currently make my own zinc chloride toothpaste to prevent nanobacteria carry over effect to the bloodstream from the mouth. This is why I always recommend disodium EDTA as opposed to the use of calcium EDTA. I don't think these supplements company have any clue what they are doing since they have a bad habit of selling calcium EDTA instead of disodium EDTA! A disodium EDTA will chelate or remove serum calcium out, while a calcium EDTA does not. Another interesting fact is that a simple citric acid, or a citric acid+baking soda, to form a sodium citrate will help too. Clove oil will kill the nanobacteria inside provided that calcium is relentlessly attacked by a citrate, citric acid, disodium EDTA. Even a simple apple cider vinegar or simple vinegar will convert some calcium shells, primarily of calcium cabonate into calcium acetate, for example. A citric acid will attack calcium shells just as well. The secret is fasting, and drinking plenty of citric acid and ascorbic acid, or a simple lemon juice will do too.
The major worries about me concerning nanobacteria is the creation of calcium oxalates, which is relatively difficult to remove and very insoluble, but still possible to some extent with disodium EDTA. However, having plenty of bicarbonates (take baking soda) in the diet will prevent oxalic acid from entering the system thus preventing the formation of calcium oxalate, and prevents calcium oxalates from being protected by the nanobacteria.
It must be understood that these nanobacteria, are fungus-like in nature and killing them off is no easy matter, however, clove oil and vitamin B3 seems to do a fair job in this area, however all my research are preliminary as we all are busy working trying to pay the electric bills or something!"
08/08/2013: Arizonagal from Prescott Az replies: "TED... HOW MUCH is a large dose of NIACINAMIDE? FOR fungus/candida/parasites? and where do you get that toothpaste w the zinc in it or need the recipe please."
05/06/2010: W. from Mccall, Id: "Please help me find a clinic treating Mycoplasma Fermentans. I believe that I came across a Dr. who was treating Mycoplasma with iv meds, and actually curing this condition, as well he was managing the side-effects of flouroquinolins; while I was surfing your site last week.
But, I am not able to find my way back to the site.
Does anyone there recall such an entry, or link on your web site? I would appreciate your assistance.
04/06/2011: Tara from Cincinnati, Ohio: "There has been much study done and is all available on the internet free to anyone who is willing to research and follow the trail. All the above listed ailments have been linked to 'parent' disease cells called MYCOPLASMA. They attach to the body in many ways and can manifest in different people in many ways. This is common knowledge throughout a lot of Europe from what I am researching, but here in US they want us all sick for good.
There is too much research involved, I have literally spent hours on cures and preventions, just reading the basics, but many many claiming they can and have been cured, but of course, they are all silenced because the corporations behind the poisons they pass off as 'good drugs' stand to lose too much money.
Research Dr. Hulda Clark, Dr. Robert Beck and Professor Donald Scott. They have books, articles and videos of their conferences. Also Dr. Garth Nicolson. These are pioneers in these fields.
It has long been known by much of the world and finally now many Americans that much of these 'parent' diseases were no where originated in 'nature' - they were man made- and hence, also have cures. These doctors/professors teach all natural and low-cost remedies for their treatments and although they sell their books, most if not all of their info and remedies can and is found for free on the internet.
Companies keep profitting on keeping us ignorant, so what do we really have to lose? Just our health and the health of our kids and loved ones... Hope this helps someone. Thanks EC!"
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 04/22/2009: Debbie from Tulsa, Oklahoma: "Glad to find this wonderful site. I am also hoping to learn more about Borax and hydrogen peroxide use. About 15 yrs ago plus I was teaching el. school when I became very ill...had to stop teaching and my life fell a part. I did a ton of research and did not give up. I found Molecular Med. They did blood work on me and found me positive for the mycoplasma. I also have high titers for ebv...and others. My entire life took a change while teaching kindergarten,minding my own business, great hubby and kids...well, it all happened during the first Gulf War. I do anti biotics when I can tolerate it...and a truck load of supplements...like the rest of us. What has really worked for me? Tumeric, natural anti bacteria/viral remedies...like olive leaf...and many like herbal treamtent. The best ever so far tho is when I have hydrogen/dmso IV's...from our doc/ he is natural and medical. Most reecently in the past few years is this...and changed me a lot...the transfer factors for mycoplasmas and ebv viruses. ...and most wonderful with it is, beta glucan at several in the am. and afternoon. ...it has given my life back...but never like it once was way back when. I hope this helps someone and maybe you can help me...with all my heart I care and wonder how in the world did this all happen to me...when and where...and was I at the wrong spot at the wrong time. It doesn't matter now...life goes on and if it wasnt' for sites like this and care from other great people...I wonder where I'd be. Many thanks for Ted and his work...and YOU all out there. Debbie"Replies
11/28/2009: Donna from Tulsa, Oklahoma replies: "I don't know if this will work, but i'm desperate. I have a 12 yr. old daughter who has missed 2 months of school because of mycoplasma infection. I saw where Debbie had wrote in and she lives in Tulsa. I would love to contact her and find out what doctor she see in Tulsa. I have had no help from doctors here and am DESPERATE for someone to help my daughter. Please help if you can.
EC: Donna, we do have an email address in the system for Debbie. Would you like us to send her your post and email address? We can't give out anyone's email address unless he/she gives us permission first.
03/10/2012: Susan from San Diego, Ca replies: "Which herbal remedies please? I'm so in need of finding out."
09/27/2012: Jennifer from Tulsa, Oklahoma, Usa replies: "I, too, am from Tulsa, OK and am desperate to find someone to help me treat my mycoplasma/chronic infection issues. I would love for y'all to send my post to Debbie from Tulsa, OK. I know it was three years ago, but here's hoping her info is the same. I need to find a good doctor around here!"
06/19/2013: Sev from Johannesburg, Gauteng Rsa replies: "Hi, To all the respondents above: Many pathogens are parasite related. Yes there are natural cures for all of them including cancer. Believe it or not, the first step is to get hold of a modern day genius on the internet (the FDA hates this) Dr. Hulda Clark. I have nothing to gain from telling you this. The fact remains that there are now superbugs and strains of dimorfisized bugs. (mycopasma strains) because of anti-biotics. In nature there is a war in the the soil between pathogens and natural anyobiotics and there weapons are dimorphic, as in our bodies. Most antibiotics are outdated and are not money spinners anymore. Large pharmaceuticalls are greedy and evil (there are many modern medicines that have saved millions) but the inventors have not really made money ie. capitalism.
Check your blood ph and take a good base powder. Teas and herbs will help but you have to take them over a long period and on a regular basis. Black walnut, garlic, wormwood and Pau'd arco will help restore your oxygen inside you body and fight candida and acidity. This is paramount because of western acid processed foods. The cheap remedies sometimes works best. Blood ph and oxygen are essential to life and setting up your body to fighting these pathogens. If your child has any of these pathogens PLEASE start by limiting sugar intake, if the body is acidic the sugar feeds the bad bugs.
Kind Regards, Sev"
06/28/2014: Dmrose13 from Michigan: "Hi, I live in Michigan and just found out I have Mycoplasma Pneumonia, Celiac, Herpes and yeast. I have not been well for 10 years. I am a Healthy Cooking Chef. I react every time I step into the cooking school I work at, obviously because of the metals and chemicals (to wash the floor etc.) I have many food sensitivities as well as chemical sensitivities. I am allergic to anything Petroleum based, plastic, food coloring any type of preservative or food additive.. My colon swells a lot. I also have some organs that swell. I have been working on healing my digestion as well. I have been Schizophrenic for 5 years. I have no idea which of these is the culprit. I went to an infectious disease doc for the Mycoplasma diagnosis. He treated me with Doxycycline for 10 days (I had to stop after 5 full days, my heart was beating to fast and my blood pressure 90 over 40. 4 days later I can still taste chemical when I push on the lymph area in the neck. Now they want to put me in the hospital and treat me with another strong antibiotic. Oh yes, and did I mention I have an infection in my back molar, it needs to be pulled, (its making the Schizophrenia act up) I am terrified to take or do anything, Kind of scared, I really do not have faith in medical doctors. Any Suggestions, would be gladly appreciated. Thank you!!"Replies
06/28/2014: Bj from Michigan replies: "Dmrose, having had many similar issues, though not exact, I will relate what protocols have helped me, with the caveat that it took years to become ill and it takes time to improve toward becoming well. First for the tooth issue, check earth clinic's oil pulling. You can start out 'small' using lesser amounts and for less time then work up to the recommeded. This works for drawing out infecton and heavy metals. Follow the instructons, do not swollow. Next check into earth clinic's, Ted's borax protocol, making sure to use filtered water- NO flouride, NO chlorine. This protocol kills candida and helps to remove heavy metals. I have also been using calcium bentonite clay. 1/4 teaspoon in 4 oz filtered water, stir, let sit for 15 min or more for the clay to absorb water, mix again, drink. Then drink additional water, I take this 3 times a week, brushing my teeth and tongue with non flouride toothpaste afterwards. I have found that starting out slow and steady, working up to the recommended amounts, maybe one protocol at a tme for a week or so before adding another, helps to keep me from having 'herx' or die off reactions that can occur when getting rid of candida and other possible parasites. Any detox can stir up things in you body, and some people quit too soon. Search, search and research here on EC and elsewhere. It does take time but becoming well is worth the work.
06/29/2014: Bill from San Fernando Philippines replies: "Hi Dmrose13...The current problems that you have or may have appear to be:
* A serious Mycoplasma pneumonia infection in the lungs
* Possible other pathogenic infections in your gut and elsewhere due to dysbyosis caused by taking anti-biotics. See this link.
* Digestion and other gut problems
* Allergies and food sensitivities (a prime indicator of mycoplasma and/or candida problems in the gut)
* Possible low thyroid or hypothyroid problems.
* Possible other Methylation Cycle issues.
The most dangerous problem that you have is the mycoplasma infection in your lungs which you must cure as quickly as possible. Borax is perhaps the ultimate fungal killer and is one of the few nutrients that will kill mycoplasma. It also acts to remove fluorine safely from the body and helps to make healthy bones. Add 1/8 tspn borax (20 Mule Team Borax -- unscented -- is fine to use) to a liter of water. Drink one liter of this remedy for five days and then take two days off in a continuous cycle like that. See this link.
Another option for you, particularly if the mycoplasma infection becomes urgent and serious, is to use Bill Munroe's Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Therapy. Hydrogen Peroxide also rapidly kills mycoplasma on contact. This therapy is fully described on EC here.
i would also suggest that you take the Lugols Iodine Protocol with companion nutrients. You can either use Lugols Iodine or Iodoral for this protocol. Iodine is a broad spectrum pathogen killer that should reduce any other infections in your body. Iodine also supports and aids the immune system and the thyroid and Iodine has also been used for beneficial effect against Schizophrenia (Dr Orion Truss et al).
You may also have Methylation Cycle or Pyroluria issues also associated with your Schizophrenia and other problems:
Dr Walsh -- Under Methylation Problems (lack of methyl groups in the body. High histamine levels)
Dr Walsh -- Over Methylation problems (over-abundance of methyl groups. Low histamines in the body)
Dr Walsh on Pyroluria (caused by a huge deficit of Vitamin B6 and Zinc in the body together with high levels of copper
Unfortunately I'm working blind here. I really need you to ask your doctor for a full Methylation panel or Vitamin/Mineral blood panel. If he refuses then just get a hair analysis independently instead -- a hair analysis is quite cheap. I really need to know the blood status of your vitamins and minerals -- particularly your Vitamin B6, B12, homocysteine, glutathione, folate, copper and zinc levels etc to make an accurate assessment. A hair analysis will also show you your excess heavy metal status.
To improve your digestion and gut problems, take Betaine HCl tablets and protease enzymes at all meals. The betaine HCL will provide the correct acidity levels for stomach digestion and the protease enzymes will help to both digest you food and help to protect your intestines as well. When you buy the protease enzymes ensure that you buy pancreatin enzymes that also contain bromelain and papain enzymes.
In summary, the protocols that you should take are:
For mycoplasma and associated pathogen problems
* Borax water as advised
* Iodine Protocol with companion nutrients on a daily basis. Start small and go slow with this protocol.
* A combination of Green Tea and Gymnema Sylvestre both in tea form taken four times a day. This combination helps to remove heavy metals, kill pathogens, reduces candida virulence and helps reduce blood sugar.
* Niacinamde -- up to 1.5 grams a day taken in 500 mg dosages after all meals.
* Vitamin C -- 3, 000 mgs per day.
* B50 Complex once a day with a meal.
* Vitamin B6 -- 200 mgs once a day
For your digestion and gut problems
* Betaine HCL. Taken at every meal.
* Protease enzymes (pancreatin enzymes with bromelain and papain). Taken with every meal.
I can't really accurately decide on the possible methylation cycle issues you might have until after you get your hair analysis and show the results here on EC.
Also be aware that the above protocols may initially cause heavy pathogen die-off or Herx effects and possible heavy metal chelation side-effects as well. If this happens then you should adjust the anti-pathogen and heavy metal detox dosages down accordingly."
06/29/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc replies: "To Dmrose;
Multiple health issues...
I grieve with you on this hard journey. I've fought many battles over the years and to start with just want to encourage you that there is always an answer to every question...it's finding it and implementing the solution that is the real problem.
First, all the "things" that are hitting you seem to me to revolve around infection.
If that is true, and if this were me, I'd focus on that underlying fact. The Mycobacterium is a bacteria which has fungus qualities. The Myco is without cell walls and that is what makes it resistant to antibiotics (see Wiki article on Mycobacterium).
Your immune system is highly weakened and your energy levels are low...very low. You didn't say that but such an infection will impact you in every way.
You said you had this condition for 10 years...Myco, yeast, herpes etc. I'm guessing that you had a serious infection closely prior to the onset ten years ago and it is that infection that has spread throughout your system.
If this were me, I'd use Colloidal Silver to attack the essential problem. CS can kill bacteria/fungus and virus...all of which you have.
Not only would I ingest the CS orally (two tablespoons three times daily on empty stomach) but I'd also (this would be a MUST) obtain a "steam inhaler" and use thee CS to inhale into my lungs. This, I am convinced, would kill the CS in bronchial and lungs.
You breathe from the inhaler three times weekly, for five minutes...breathing DEEPLY off and on. I've done this to myself a dozen times.
I would also perform vigorous "irrigations" three per week. I always use an ear syringe to make sure the CS gets to back of sinus passages. Squirt into my ears...gargle...a few drops into eyes.
After six months, the infection would be 90 percent gone.
Look at the different digestive suggestions suggested by Bill Thompson and all else he suggested.
I also think you have a metal poisoning. Make sure your check for that in a hair analysis.
Prediction: If I'm right about what CS can do for you, in TWO weeks or less, I would expect to feel a SURGE of energy. That would not .... NOT mean I would be cured. This correction is LONG term...I might have to be on the protocol I discussed for a year to fully eliminate the fungi/viruses and bacteria slowing doing their damage.
The surge of energy is the immune system being relieved by reinforcements (the CS)...and the CS (I contend) becoming a kind of immune system.
So I could test the efficacy of CS and know in less than two weeks if it is working."
01/23/2012: Flower from New York: "Have someone tried to take the remedy Olive Leaf Extract for three months? This is a remedy I saw which cures mycoplasma infections"
04/18/2014: Holisticmom624 from New York, Ny: "Hello, My question is in regards to the Mycoplasma - ureaplasma. There is mixed information online and although I have been told from my midwife that this can be contracted through intercourse, she also states it is not the only way. I don't believe that this is the way as my husband does not have it nor do I have any other partners. I have been, however, going to the doctor and there has been testing for SLE which I am not currently treating with anything besides healthy living and taking natural remedies.
I became very sick on the medication and did not have any significant symptoms of Lupus until I was put on medication. I currently have purchased MSM, and NAC as well as Hydrochloric acid and take all natural vitamins and minerals. So the underlining question: is this something I can treat naturally as other Mycoplasma as I do not feel comfortable taking antibiotics and am allergic to various funguses - and if so what can I take. Any information about this will be much appreciated"Replies
04/18/2014: Mama To Many from Tennessee replies: "Dear Holisticmom624,
Stephen Harrod Buhner has a book called, 'Healing Lyme Disease coinfections: Complementary and Holistic Treatments for Bartonella and Mycoplasma." He has a couple of chapters in the book on treating Mycoplasma herbally. He has a list of herbs for the mycoplasma and also some extras for specific target areas (like the urinary system.) Buhner is an expert on Lyme disease and its co-infections. His books are sort of technical but very, very thorough.
I hope his book will be helpful to you. You may be able to get it at the library.
~Mama to Many~"
04/19/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines replies: "Hi Holisticmom624...There is a remedy on EC that acts against mycoplasma. This is Borax Water as recommended by Ted from Bangkok. This entails adding 1/8 tsp of borax to one liter of water and drinking one liter of this borax water throughout the day. Take this remedy on a five days on and two days off continuous cycle. Borax kills mycoplasma, fungus and also supports bone formation. It balances hormones and also removes fluoride from the body as well as cures arthritis. Using non-scented 20 Mule Team Borax is fine for this remedy. I'm 63 y o and I've been using this borax water remedy regularly for about 8 years and can attest that it is effective.
If the borax remedy doesn't appeal to you, you could perhaps use a special compound herbal mix from raintreeformulas.com called Myco, which has been specifically designed to combat and eradicate all forms of bacteria as well as mycoplasma. This site also has other herbal formulations that target spirochete bacteria(called Spiro) and others that target fungal and viral problems as well. I know and have used this site in the past to get bulk herbs. This site only ever uses organic, sustainable herbs from the Amazon jungle region.
There are also other specific compound herbal mixes that you might also want to investigate. See the Nutramedix, Nutricology and Herb Pharm websites for more natural anti-microbial formulas that might help you. Another one is 1stchineseherbs.com. I don't know these sites so well (they don't ship to the Philippines where I live) but they seem to have have a good range of wildcrafted herbs, extracts etc. for sure.
See Ted from Bangkok's advice for Lupus here on EC.
Just to also finally mention that if you think that you have SLE then have a look at the current research on Dr William Shaw's website. His research has confirmed that problems such as Lupus, as well as many other autoimmune and mental problems, always seem to involve candida, various bacteria and possibly parasites and viruses as well. So don't think that you have just one infection -- mycoplasma -- you should perhaps be thinking multi-pathogen infections because of such a hugely lowered immune system capability. If you think that you have SLE then I would advise that you should perhaps use the following strategy:
* Broad spectrum or suitable individual herbal protocols that will specifically kill a wide range of bacteria, mycoplasma, fungus, viruses, parasites etc.
* Protocols that will remove biofilms. (eg Serrapeptase, Bromelain, Gum Turpentine).
* Alkalizing the body every day. See this link.
* Protocols that detox heavy metals and poisons.(eg Chlorella, Kelp, EDTA)
* Protocols that help build up the immune system.(eg Lugols Iodine)
* Liver/Kidney protection protocols.(eg Alpha Lipoic Acid, Selenium, Milk Thistle)
* Vegetarian Diet.
* Avoid antibiotics like the plague.
I use a strategy similar to the above against candida(also a multi-pathogen disease). See this link for more detailed explanations."
04/19/2014: Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc replies: "Hello Bill,
I notice Ted from Bangkok also recommends large dose (5, 000 mg daily?) niacinamide. That post was from 2006 and focused on the calcium oxalate protection that mycoplasma effectuates. Ted's post I referred to is found in the permanent Mycoplasma "Ailments" Section in EC. YOUR post (the one I'm replying to) is eleven posts below his.
My question then is two fold: Do you think niacinamide can play a role in eliminating mycoplasma or does your manifold recommendation cover the bases? And question two; what is the role of calcium oxalate in the tangled problem? Ted focuses on that issue too talking about the use of disodium EDTA to keep oxalic acid from doing this and even talks of bicarbonates from entering the blood stream."
04/19/2014: Bill from San Fenando, Philippines replies: "Hi Dave...Great questions. Normally when you get oxalate problems these normally occur at the extremities of the body -- hands, feet and head. My major reason for using niacin like this is to ensure that the other nutrients recommended actually successfully reach the extremities via the blood. Niacin changes and thins the blood safely, opens the capillaries for better delivery of these nutrients to these extremities. Niacinamide does not do this because it is further along the cycle for eventual conversion to NADP or energy. In other words niacin is eventually converted to niacinamide in the energy cycle in the following way:
niacin -->.....--> niacinamide--> NADP(Nicotinamide Adenosine Diphosphate)
NADP then becomes part of the electron transport chain that supplies energy(ATP) throughout the cell itself. And that's as far as I'm going to go with it -- I prefer to keep it simple. But if you wish to be further confused -- then have a look at this complex explanation which will be like double Dutch to most people -- See this link.
Apart from the uniqueness of niacin's effect on blood, both niacin and niacinamide appear to have the same multitudinous benefits. It was also recently discovered from research (at the University of Minnesota within the last two years I think) that higher dose niaicinamide increases the strength and performance of the immune system by a factor of 2000. That, in itself, is reason enough to use higher dose niacin or niacinamide. It also cures depression, helps to cure heart disease, helps to cure alcoholics, cures schizophrenia, improves mood and raises energy levels. I've also read where Ted has also written that niacin/niacinamide kills both candida and mycoplasma too. Yet more reasons to use B3 at higher dose to keep yourself healthy. Dr Abram Hoffer took high dose niacin (up to 3 grams a day) for over 50 years and he died at age 93 after a long and productive life. Hoffer always said that supplementing higher dose niacin would extend your life and he's the proof.
So in answer to your questions:
Do you think niacinamide can play a role in eliminating mycoplasma or does your manifold recommendation cover the bases?
Absolutely -- because niacin/niacinamide, when they are taken in larger doses as Ted recommends, can raise up the strength of the immune system by a factor of 2000.
What is the role of calcium oxalate in the tangled problem?
Oxalate is hard to remove. But if you take EDTA then this will remove the heavy metals and excess calcium which helps to get rid of the calcium oxalate itself. Perhaps not the best answer in the world, but its sometimes difficult to follow Ted's thinking. And since Ted has said that niacin will kill mycoplasma -- I would believe him and simply leave it at that. I tried looking for evidence of such cures for mycoplasma several years ago, none to be found or all the important research has been deliberately hidden. Probably because the US Bio-Warfare Department has already had weaponized mycoplasma of its own for many years, so the last thing they really want is a cure for mycoplasma. There is much evidence for this. Lupus, Lyme and Morgellon's Disease always involve mycoplasma. SLE is difficult to diagnose, Lyme is not universally recognized as a disease and neither is Morgellon's recognized as a disease. All these diseases involve mycoplasma.
Out of interest, here's something from Ted (written way back in 2005) on another website talking about the cause of Morgellon's Disease and how it originated....And how he actually cured himself of this disease:
The solution came from secret military research which they have the cure. Apparently the cure is really simple, they used a 2%-3% DMSO mixed with 5% sodium perborate solution. They had to have the solution to protect biochemists like me from the infections.
It worked like magic on me when I got one. They kept it under the wraps because they need the "Morgellons" to spread the mycoplasma. Since you don't believe in conspiracy theory and I don't have a perfect memory, I will not go into details. There was another chemical they also used which I don't recall it now, but I guess it is not that important. However the simple insect not yet "officially" identified as I understand it they were trying to get it patented.
However it is great in carrying pathogens across a wide area of at least several thousand miles using birds as a carrier. This includes the bird flu, mycoplasma, chlamydia, SARS, etc.
Hmmm. The other "missing" ingredient? They MIGHT had an egg chitin dissolving solvent, EDTA and weak acetic acid, but I am not sure. Possibly a hormone disruptant
to cause sterilization that I suggested to my boss (he works for biowarfare research directly), but I don't know if he added my formulas or not. It was Neem oil if you want to know. Remember, the reason why I knew some of the formula was I was suggesting some improvements on those stuff to get rid of the critters faster. Since I got one myself 20+ years ago. It took about 3 days to rid of it and another week to prove that I don't infect my fellow co-workers.
If you know anyone in the military research, I am sure they improved my ancient formulas (which is fragmented) since my boss refused to tell me all the ingredients. We work in compartmentalization. So don't put your hopes up high on it. They might have
"evolved" or made a better breed those little creatures already, I am not sure. In the world of research, 20 year old research is TRULY ancient.
So if your doctors and drugs companies say that SLE, Lyme Disease and Morgellon's Disease do not exist then, by heck, it must be true!! (sic)
Because they are the experts we can trust....Right? (sic)"
07/05/2012: Katie from Singapore: "Hi, I've had mycoplasma for 9 months now and my children ages 3 and 5 years have it too.What can we take to help heal and build immunity? Thank you, Katie"
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand: "In some cases the cause is the parasites. But once they leave, the candida is still there before it can be contracted. Biochemical analysis indicates a yeast and mycoplasma pathogens. Mycoplasma are fungus like organism. They tend to accumulate heavy metals. A great majority of people who have candida also have very high heavy metals or get regular vaccinations. The urinary excretion indicates abnormally high tartaric acid, indicating a high level of fungus toxins, which causes the intoxication. An additional of parasites aid in the proliferation of such conditions and therefore in some cases parasites, such as mites, bedbites, bird parasites can trigger it.
They are generally resistant to all forms of antibiotics as it forms symbiosis with heavy metals, thus the antibiotic cannot touch them as it causes the antibiotic to be instantly oxidized. The only way to kill them is to kill the parasites, if it exists, or mycoplasma, which always exists, or other related forms of pathogens. The other which is most important is to remove the heavy metals.
The big issue is that when the removal of heavy metal commences, marked herx can be seen. EDTA don't seem to cause Herx that much. To kill these pathogens, it is necessary to do an H2O2+EDTA therapy. Remove the heavy metals and yet, oxidized them with H2O2. To reduce the toxic byproducts of these critter, take plenty of malic acid plus baking soda to neutralized organic acid toxins.
The taking of interval small doses of H2O2+EDTA every hour for 12 hours should result in some improvement. Acetyl Carnitine, N-Acetyl-Cysteine and sodium ascorbate taken in large doses, especially the Carninitine and sodium ascorbate (alkaline form vitamin C) seems most helpful. Candida is a condition caused by the body's immune system being suppressed as a result of chemical toxins (fluoride, chlorine, alloxan in white flour, monosodium glutamate, ethylene dibromide from chemtrails), vaccination(methyl mercury, living mycoplasma) , and special mycoplasma which are designed to suppressed the immune system.
The most effective antidote for the suppressed immune system is to eliminate or detoxify the cause. The use of malic acid (usually found in apple cider vinegar or taken separately) will not eliminate them but will reduce the toxicity. Sodium thiosulfate will detox many toxic chemicals, borax will detox the fluoride.
Sugar is the obvious issue to control, but alloxan found in the white flour is the real cause.
The extensive use of antibiotics will make the condition of candida much worse because it reduces heavy metal excretion, which is a food source for the yeast like organism and also killing the beneficial bacteria at the same time. I suspect a regular dose of sodium perborate (200 mg) might be best in counteracting the parasite issues or perhaps a sodium perborate bath. This is just my opinion.
I can't cover the cures for candida at the moment because I am a bit busy now. But I am sure that the information I gave you above should give you some clues as to the treatment. Just remember: the real cause is your immune system is suppressed, either by commercial such as fungicide which causes a permanent suppression of immune system or by an organism (parasites or pathogens). Best way is to avoid, detox, and regenerate your immune system organs by homeopathy."Replies
02/05/2013: Chris from London, , England replies: "Hi Ted, my name is Chris, I am 20 years old and live in the UK, I have been ill since 2009 with Inflammatory bowel disease and mycoplasma. I no longer have a colon due to surgeons removing it back in 2011 because of Ulcerative Colitis even though I am now sure I have crohn's rather than colitis, I believe mycobacterium avium paraturbeculosis subspecies to be the cause of the crohn's. I also have chronic fatigue syndrome which I believe is caused by Mycoplasma pneumoniae, I was recently tested positive for mycoplasma pneumoniae. I am lost on how to get well, I constantly feel ill and flu-like I am losing my hair, have a lot of skin rashes/problems have a lot of bowel problems, I am currently taking azithromycin 250mg a day for the past week, it seems to be making me worse. I am also on a whole lot of supplements including ambrotose, niacinamide 500mg, energy revitilization system, NTfactor, Vitamin c ascorbate and more, I also stick to a strict NO dairy, gluten, preservative, sugar (apart from one banana a day) diet. I feel my body is slowly getting worse and I can't live like this, I am lost on what to do. I have read about your borax treatment and am not sure exactly how to take it, do I take 1/8 of a teaspoon mixed with 1 litre of water all at once, or can I store it and have it throughout the day? I have a J-pouch instead of a colon so will I absorb less of the vitamins and need more than most people? Which supplements and at what doses would you recommend I take. Do I carry on with the azithromycin? I can't rid myself of these persistant infections, please can you help me? I am desperate. Thanks chris"
02/05/2013: Anon from Anon replies: "Hi, you need to go to the latest questions to address ted or email him direct. I hope you will regain health soon. I am not an expert on crohn's but I have a friend your age with it. I have read that you should eat gluten free. Also often people with crohn's are deficient in vitamins A and D as well as others but these 2 play a massive role in immunity. I would recommend taking a reasonable dose of a good quality cod liver oil. You could get tests done to check what you are deficient in. I hope you get better soon- you can heal from this"
02/06/2013: Chris from London, England replies: "Hi, thank you for your reply, I sent the same message on the contact us section of earth clinic if that's what I am supposed to do for Ted to read it? I have had my vitamin levels checked and they are fine, I also take cod liver oil daily and stick to a gluten free diet which works well for my bowels, my major problems is my CFS, I feel so ill everyday to the extent where I barely leave the house, the list of symptoms seems to be endless wether it be swelling in the hands, ingrown hairs throughout the body or simply a fever, I cannot cope anymore, I am not sure how to take the borax do I drink it or bathe in it?"
02/06/2013: Rsw from Uniontown, Oh replies: "Hi Chris, Please see this site for a probable solution to your problem.
Many people have found much relief from this condition with LDN. Please join the Yahoo LDN site, mentioned on the LDN site. It has over 10, 000 members who are very willing to answer your questions. Many members are from the UK and can tell you how to get LDN. It is very effective with autoimmune disorders, MS, Crohn's, many bowel disorders..... The list just goes on and on because it modulates the immune system and let's your body heal itself. It has no side effects and is FDA approved at a much higher dose than the 1- 4.5 mg that is taken at the low dose. Best wishes! Your life is about to get better!"
EC: LDN is the acronym for Low Dose Naltrexone.
02/07/2013: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Chris: just a few words of encouragement because it oftentimes makes a difference. You do seem to be very compromised and have already suffered the loss of the Colon but you are getting good info here from good folks. You are also too young to not win this battle. Keep reading all the "remedies" and "ailments" sections at top page. Take notes and keep a diary so you can increase your chances of regaining health.
Keep posting your questions and results will also help. Wishing you the best."
02/12/2013: Chris from London, England replies: "Thank you all for your replies
@RSW Hi RSW, I have been looking into LDN and am definitley considering it, I recently read that TNI BioTech aquired the patent to LDN which is worrying that big pharma now owns it, prices will go up and it will be harder to get ahold of, espcially here in the UK. I am going to see a homeopath for the first time next tuesday and hoping he can prescribe this for me.
@Timh Hi Tim, thanks for your words of encouragment, it means a lot. Sometimes I honestly feel I will never be well again, I am really lost, I am really interested in colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide IV therapy but have no idea how I would be able to get that done over here in England. I was really hoping Ted could help me out with a treatment programme to get rid of these persistant infectionsm espcially the Mycoplasma Pneumoniae."
02/13/2013: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Chris: good to hear back from you and thanks for your gratitude. After having battled chronic illness for many yrs, I couldn't help posting some encouragement to you as the sooner you begin treatment protocols the better. I was always too little too late, and simply progressed to near death, got sustainable for a few yrs, then got near death again. Just do everything you can to stay out of the trenches.
As for infections, the good thing about the Colloidal Silver is you can make your own. The UK can't stop you from making your own Colloidal Silver. There are many manufacturers of C.S. Generators.
I purchased from AtlasNova and am mostly satisfied with their products & service. I have long suspected the same Mycoplasma you mentioned but have no definite diagnosis; never-the-less I also purchased a Nebulizer and use Colloidal Silver inhalations treatments. Deep breaths of C.S. must kill the Mycoplasma on contact. Remember to restrict Arginine rich foods like nuts and chocolate."
02/13/2013: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "Hi Chris... Here is what Ted recommends for Mycoplasma Pneumoniae:
The important supplements for mycoplasma in general, whether they are tuberculosis, paratuberculosis, or other subspecies are sodium molybdate, hydrogen peroxide, bromelain, unripe papaya, and at least sodium bicarbonate...
02/14/2013: Granny On The Go from Waco, Tx replies: "If you are interested in using Colloidal Silver, it is very easy to make your own for under a hundred dollars.
I order .9999 pure silver from Amazon, here in the states, they have it listed for as little ad $20. That doesn't buy a lot, but you would be able to see how to use it to treat yourself for a small investment.
I found some copper wire from an old lamp project and cut off a couple of pieces of it about 8 inches long each. I purchased 4 "alligator" clips at the local hardware store and fastened them to each end of the wires. I already had a 6 volt lantern battery on hand so that is what I used.
I had some distilled water and a glass quart jar on hand, also a coffee filter.
I warmed a quart of the distilled water in a pan (not in the microwave), made hooks on the end of the wire and hooked them on the edge of the jar. Then I connected the wires with the alligator clips on them about an inch apart on the rim of the jar, and then connected the other alligator clips to my battery.
I have an older gas range, and I sat the jar near the pilot light to keep the water warm. When the water had turned a light yellow I removed the alligator clips and poured the Colloidal Silver solution through a coffee filter in a funnel. Viola!
I started slowly with taking the Colloidal Silver, fearing Jarish Herheimer Syndrome. I didn't want the die-off to overwhelm my system. I started with a teaspoon of Silver twice a day, but didn't get any results until after I was taking a couple of tablespoons a day.
I have, just this day, ordered a meter with my second order of .9999 silver so that I can actually tell how strong the Colloidal Silver is. The meter costs about $15 but It will help me get my solutions to be about the same each time I make some.
There are a large number of YouTube videos on the internet showing you how to make your own Colloidal Silver. Just ignore the one that tell you to add salt or use the microwave at any stage of the operation.
I bought 3 small bottles of Colloidal Silver at about the rate of $20-$25 per bottle, but soon realized I could never afford to buy enough to help me very much. I also feel that I make the same thing that the machines costing several hundred dollars do, only without the added cost of the pricey machine.
I am pretty sure that a rotary, diversified diet would be of some help with your illness. It would allow you to find out what is causing the problem. I have a friend that had ulcerative colitis and decided to try quitting coffee, she isn't completely well, but is remarkably better.
My best wishes to you for a healing. People who are naturally healthy have little sympathy for the chronically ill, even if they are doctors or are in other health related fields. In those cases, you may be able to find a specialist that is of help, but sometimes you just have to be your own doctor, you are the only one that knows what it is like inside your life!"
02/25/2013: Shelly from Chicago, Il replies: "This question is for Ted. What do you do to get rid of the heavy metals? And.. ALL heavy metals, at that? If candida is the real issue, then chelating should be dealt with FIRST, no? I suspect I may have candida overgrowth AND a parasite of some sort... Perhaps heavy metals, too. Oh, and thyrodi probs as I have weakness, night sweats, and loss of hair. Initially 10 months ago, I got infected, but am still clueless as to what. I have burning pee, nausea that comes and goes, chronic fatigue, and now my joints are starting to hurt a little. I'm only 27! What the heck. I always ate organic everything, including personal care products. Could hormonal imbalance/stress cause mycotoxins? Or candida? Are they the same?"
09/05/2009: Phil from Augusta, Georgia: "Hello all. I know Ted is a very busy man, so I was thinking that maybe someone out there could possibly answer some questions for me.
About 4 years ago I was cutting grass and afterwards, I had this incrediable biting, itching, crawling, stinginging sesations on both of my forearms. ( no where else on my body did I have this ) I started out with medical doctors, that gave me creams to rub on my arms. Well the rash always came back and the doctor had told me she believed it to be a fungus or possible sand fleas. She wanted me to take stuff internaly like lamiseal,which can cause liver damage and the fact that she did not no what I even had on me.
So I made a decision to start researching natural cures and causes. I came to the conclusion that it must have been some kind of parasite or mites. After doing severeal suggestions here on earthclinic, mainly using borax interally and externally, the rash DID go away. However, every since then I get these pimple like bumps, that seem to appear in the same spots. I can pop them just as you would a pimple and they seem to go away, only to return later.
My condition, seems to be about 90% better. NO MORE rashes or red streaking on my arms, but sometimes itchy pimples.So I am thinking maybe I have mycoplasma or nano- bacteria left behind.
Ted tells of some stuff for these mycoplasma, but I am not totaly clear on the amounts to be taken. When he says, small amounts of H202 and Disoidium EDTA every hour for 12 hours. What would be consider small amounts??? He also mentions nicimade and at the end says B-3. Are these one in the same, because when I checked with the vitiman company nicimade was compleatly different product than was B-3. B-3 seemed to cause flushing where as niciamade did not. Which one would be correct or could you use either or? Also clove oil in one cup of water is this just once a day? One more question, anyone know how to make the Zinc chloride tooth paste?
I have looked high and low here on EC, and have not been able to find out. I do know that, it is possible for me to have over looked or not found certain information, that Ted may have already posted.
I love this site, Ted, Joyce, Deirdre and all the people who contribute to it. I do believe, THAT ALL of us should start PRINTING out the info on this site though. We never know when the goverenment or pharmacutical companies will attack us and take it all away!"Replies
09/06/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn. replies: "To Phil from Augusta, Ga. re B3 or niacinamide:
B3 is niacin and the real McCoy that causes the flushing. Niacinamide is supposedly the same stuff, except the part that causes the flushing has been removed. Maybe and maybe not. I have never read anywhere that the two different forms does exactly the same thing so I'll stick with Linus Pauling and the niacin he studied and reported on.
I don't see any problem with the flushing since your body quickly adapts to the niacin and the flushing is less, but you do still have to use common sense and start with a lower dose daily and build up to higher dosage as your body adjust to it, and adjust to the next higher dose when your body adjusts to that one. Common sense will also quickly tell you to not drink a hot cup of coffee or tea or other stimulant (caffinated beverage) along with your niacin. There are several good references on using niacin and how to gradually increase the dosage to that desired. I was told a few months back about a study that reported mice or rats given 250 mgm. niacin every 3 hours, halted and even reversed alzheimer's in them. I have been trying to find that study on line but haven't found it yet. For anyone really interested in learning more about this B3 vitamin, I suggest you go on line and start with Linus Pauling Institute.
Most patients didn't panic and think they were having an allergic reaction if they were told before hand that it would stimulate their circulation which caused the flushing, itchy & tingling sensation and that their body would adapt and quit reacting so strongly after a few days."
05/11/2012: Mary from Greenville, Sc replies: "You have morgellons. See lymebusters thread from "itchin" for the connection to mycoplasma"
07/17/2013: Marnie from Providence, RI: "I know that these mycoplasma submissions are old but I just had to reply. I was testing positive for mycoplasma pneu. and finally found out I was positive for lyme. If any are curious please use an ILADS basis for testing and not IDSA basis. After lyme has been in a system for a while it turns into cyst form (with a mycoplasmic basis). Because IDSA has a short treatment for lyme, lyme may go dormant and cause mycoplasma later in disease. Good luck."