Last Modified on Jun 19, 2014
What Is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis?
An important element within the endocrine system, the thyroid is the small gland located at the base of the neck and is responsible for producing hormones that regulate metabolism. Hashimoto’s disease is a condition that affects this gland and disrupts the functioning of the thyroid. Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, also known as lymphocytic thyroiditis, is a condition in which the immune system attacks the thyroid gland, causing inflammation and decreased activity of the thyroid. Middle-aged women are most often subject to Hashimoto thyroid; however, the condition can also affect men and children of all ages.
Hashimoto’s thyroiditis does not cause notable symptoms and typically develops very slowly. Over time, though, the damage and symptoms become more progressive and obvious. Common symptoms include fatigue and tiredness, constipation, pale and dry skin, a puffy or bloated face, increased cold sensitivity a hoarse voice. Hashimoto thyroid may also cause additional health concerns including excessive, unexplained weight gain, high blood cholesterol, muscle aches and weakness, excessive menstrual bleeding and depression. Additionally, the condition may lead to an enlarged thyroid gland or goiter as well as forgetfulness.
The exact cause of Hashimoto’s thyroiditis is unclear; however, some researchers believe a virus or bacterium is responsible. Another accepted possible cause is a genetic flaw received at birth. At any rate, several factors compound the issue including heredity, sex, age and overall lifestyle.
Natural Hashimoto Thyroid Cure
Hashimoto’s thyroiditis can be treated using a number of natural methods. One of the best options involves taking organic coconut oil and restricting gluten in the diet. Additional options include essential oil supplementation including myrtle, myrrh, peppermint, spearmint and clove. Back flower remedies such as wild rose, elm, crab apple and milk thistle tea are also effective Hashimoto’s thyroiditis treatments. Additionally, iodine supplements are important for supporting overall thyroid health.
05/25/2011: Andrea from Davidson, Nc: "I have being diagnosed as a hashimoto patient. I visited a practioner (she says she follows Dr. Kharazian's protocol) and she recommended me to follow the diet "Eat Right For Your Type - Dr. peter j D'Adamo".
I am vegetarian and the first item she tells me to add to my diet is buffalo meat. I need some feedback if Dr. Kharazian, follows and recommends that diet for hashimoto's patient. Please your opinion is very valuable to me, as I am confused and not sure about the protocol of this practitioner.
Much gratitude, Andrea"Replies
09/03/2011: Mary from Bradenton, Florida Usa replies: "This post is addressed to Erin, who stated her health improved after following Dr Datis Kharazian's diet -
You say you have autoimmune thyroiditis. Do you have Before and After test results?
I know you didn't claim that the diet actually reversed your condition - but did it? Did you retest your anti-thyroid antibodies - thyroid peroxidase (TPO) and anti-thyroglobulin to see what the numbers are? Total remission is 0-34 for the TPO, and <20 for antithyroglobulin. Maybe the numbers just decreased significantly.
Numbers are the only way to tell if this autoimmune condition is in remission, and others that make claims that a diet or protocol has reversed their condition can only prove it by these numbers.
Hope you're out there Erin and see this!
11/18/2011: Tresa from Boise, Id replies: "I was going to see a doctor that follows the Dr. Kharrazian protocol till he told me it would cost $7,000. 00. Which would basically come out of your pocket cause insurances pretty much won't pay for the type of tests they do. Just can't afford that."
02/08/2012: Suz from Austin, Tx replies: "Hi Teresa, Can you tell what doctor charged $7K to run all those tests? I'm about ready to take my daughter to someone who sounds like they do the same type of testing... And $7K is way out of my range. They just state that you can't afford not to do it.
03/09/2012: Tresa from Boise, Id replies: "Suz. I believe a lot of it has to do with all of the testing that they do is why it is so expensive. If money grew on trees fine. So I am going a different route. Will be going through a professional 10 day detox and work on healing the guts because a big, if not most of the immune system is in the stomach/inner terrain."
03/09/2012: Tresa from Boise, Id replies: "Suz, also I wanted to mention that it was a doctor(who was a former chiropractor) who now practices Dr. Kharazian's protocol."
03/09/2012: Tresa from Boise, Id replies: "Suz, specifically McKim Chiropractic."
03/13/2012: Patients Helping Patients from San Luis Obispo, Ca replies: "I can tell you from experience that Dr Kharazian's protocols regarding diet are not well informed and have cost me dearly health and pocketbook-wise. Hashimoto's is cureable by switching to using Armour or Erfa thyroid supplement. All the stuff about leaky gut, allergens, etc are not the problem if you eat carefully and include a lot of raw juices. The key to changing the condition is the T3 in Armour, check out StoptheThyroidMadness. com or herbdocblog.com"
04/28/2012: Lorica from New Albany, In. replies: "A lot of raw juicing can actually cause thyroid problems if things like spinach and other goitrogens are being consumed, which they usually are. Juicing causes those things to go into your system in an especially intense form. Also, put no soy in anything. Soy is the major goitrogen."
05/22/2012: Thyroid Sufferer from Jupiter, Fl replies: "The individual who stated Hashimoto can be treated with Armour successfully is making an erroneous statement. I have had the disease for over 20 year. I have tried synthetics and currently on Armour for 7 years now. My disease is more inflamed now than ever. I am considering a diet change to gluten free. Each individual is different and therefore each individual needs a different solution."
06/01/2012: Terrie from Perry, Florida replies: "For the comment on Armour, a lot of people have had problems lately w/Armour, my problem was NO doc in N Fl would prescribe anything but SYNTHROID w/cytomel(T3), I spent 8mo's barely able to get out of bed, so weak I could hardly hold a glass of water, these quacks(12 so called specialists) just kept changing the synthroid dose back and forth with NO CHANGE in my condition. My husband decided to let me try some ERFA from outside US since no doc will give me a prescription for NATURAL THYROID, I had to take my life/HEALTH into my own hands, I have been on it for 8 weeks and I AM DOING SOOO GOOD!! I am energetic, strong, riding my 3yr old horse for the first time!! I owe my life to NATURAL THYROID!! I have a mostly healthy diet, but I still enjoy some junk, I am losing this HYPO weight and getting my skin back to pre-HYPO state, I will NEVER TAKE SYNTHETIC again, it wasted 8 mo's of my life! STOP THE THYROID MADDNESS!!! GET RID OF SYNTHROID!!!!"
07/08/2012: Dr from New Mexico, NM replies: "If you have Hashimoto's when you consume Gluten it causes your immune system to attack your thyroid."
08/03/2012: Trizia from Nyc, Ny replies: "Concerning hashimotos: do people who avoid gluten also avoid grains in general? do any of you eat rice? Did anyone take the natural glandulars by Standard Process? Can anyone recommend affordable practitioners in NYC?
And finally, is anyone for or against taking kelp for iodine if you never eat iodized salt?
Thanks for answering, trizia"
08/03/2012: Terri from Phoenix, Az replies: "Since you are familiar with Standard Processing I would recommend you use their iodine product. I also take their thytrophin and cataplex f (or m)for my hypo thyroid.
I felt better after taking the iodine."
08/07/2012: 1kday from Colorado Springs, Co replies: "Yes you can eat rice. Research gluten free there are some really great gluten free foods. I have found that I don't really even like grains. If you have a local gluten free bakery that would be a great way to try some new things. Remember you will find awesome gluten free items and you will find that there are some really bad items. It is hit or miss but there is a lot more available now. Go online and sign up to receive info on gluten free dining too. Hope that helps."
01/02/2013: Dee from Chicago, Il replies: "What should I expect when I see a practitioner following Dr. K's protocol? I am at my wits end with these palpitations, weakness, and fatigue. How much does it cost approximately. I am on my 4th endo and no one knows what to do for me. All they say is that my thyroid levels are normal but very high antibodies. Can anyone recommend a good practitioner in Chicago who follows Dr k's protocol? Please help."
03/09/2013: Wiggns from Boston, Ma replies: "For Dee from Chicago: Go to the Raby Institute of Integrative Medicine on North Michigan Ave, Chicago.
This practice has MD.'s (internist, ob/gyn, pediatrics, Naturapaths, Nutritionist, Accupuncturist, etc.... They are integrative with their approach to health, and are especially versed in womens health issues. It may take time to get an appt, but they will help. I know the founder Dr. Raby, she is beyond amazing. Good Luck"
06/08/2013: Kelly from Portland, Oregon replies: "Hi there! Not every person with Hashi's has problems with gluten. There are accurate (read, tested, controlled, etc) labs like Biotek out of Seattle that can test for IgG for food sensitivites. A simple finger poke helped me avoid an aggravating elimination diet. I found out that Whey and Egg Yolk cause problems for me and once I cut them out of my diet, major improvements in health. Changing my diet has been the only thing that has helped lower my TPO. Probiotics (HMF Genestra) have helped me feel better and avoid illnesses like the flu, and EFA/DHA has stopped my hair from falling out. Find a fabulous ND that will be thorough. I work with Julie Brush, ND at 2BWell. She has helped me when other doctors have struggled to look past test numbers to help with total health."
06/09/2014: Kellyj from Chicago, Il replies: "Dr. Kristen is in the Schaumburg area, and she writes a lot of articles in natural magazines on thyroid problems."
[YEA] 04/12/2011: 6finns from Oswego, Il: "I have been cured of Hashimoto's through a diet initially developed for Asperger's by Sandra Desorgher (later used to treat her Autistic daughter, Sarah). After being on the diet (which is lutein- and beta carotene-free) for about 5 months, my thyroid antibodies tested negative. I've seen other improvements such as feeling more present and alert, more patience, and a greater ease in shifting my focus."Replies
07/12/2011: Jc from Merrimac Valley, Ma replies: "Can you share more about your diet?"
08/06/2011: Renee from Evans, Colorado replies: "Cured ? wow that is wonderful, even 80% of even natural / holistic doctors says that Hashimotos cannot be cured but managed by being symtom free... Remember its an autoimmune disease.... Mosltly all say not curable.... , but.... I am very interested on how you still are feeling now ?... And just want to make sure I didn't misunderstand , but you used the word cured.. really ?... If so that is awesome... just thought a person can't be cured of if?"
01/11/2012: Susan from Milliken, Co replies: "I am also very curious as I would love to even get marked improvement."
01/12/2012: Jeff from Laguna Niguel, Ca replies: "Hashimoto's is curable... Auto immune diseases are curable. Any auto-immune deficiency is simply the result of Leaky Gut Syndrome (which itself is easily curable). If you do a good herbal colon AND parasite cleanse for 90 days, plus eat a diet high in fiber from fruits and vegetables (not too much fruit/sugar), restricting or eliminating dairy, restricting animal based proteins (plant based instead... You can make protein shakes with a combination of pea protein and brown rice protein to help you get the protein you need). You will also want to take pro-biotics during the cleanse to help improve your intestinal flora. Within 90 days your intestinal tract will be healthy again... No more leaky gut, no more auto immune disease. Here is a very good article on Leaky Gut Syndrome and auto-immune:
The best colon and parasite products are "Experience" and "Clear" made by Awareness Corporation. However you might also look into Dr. Natura prodcuts.
Don't believe the "it's not curable" crowd... it's because they haven't done the right research."
01/12/2012: Ishtar from Cerritos, California replies: "Hashimoto's disease can definitely be cured. Did you all know that it does not exist in China. Thyroid problems in Chinese medicine are a symptom of the true imbalance in your body. Find a good acupuncturist. It may take a year of more to cure but it is worth it. Besides, thyroid meds give people heart problems after taking them for several years."
04/27/2012: Kathy from Soldotna, Alaska replies: "Hello Ishtar, I would like to correct you on China not having Hashimotos disease. I am in China right now and I have been living here 6 months out of the year for 12 years. Thyroid disease, hashimotos disease is epidemic in Southern China. This is by the coast cities. I met a researcher who 10 years ago found out that the salt containing iodine was the culprit. If a person wanted to buy sea salt they had to go to a pharmacy and buy it. Today it is not so readily available like we have in the US. They are treating thyroid diesase in China just like our Western doctors treat. However there are TCM practitioners who are curing hashimoto's using herbs and acupunture. The problem now in China is finding a TCM Dr. that knows what he is doing. The almighty buck has poisoned this great tradition. That's been my problem here. I want to mention a group of herbalist in China they are the Mao people they use a very traditional method of using herbs and they have cured many serious cancers. Again to find these doctors you sometimes have to travel into the back villages of China."
06/13/2013: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "I believe this about the iodized salt. I stopped using it in 2000 because I broke out in hives and was feeling VERY strange. My son was working at McDonald's and every time I ate the fries, I would feel sick sick sick. So I stopped using iodized salt, but I got thyroid disease anyway. I guess I was destined to get it. But, I also noticed my health changed when I started drinking bottled water (about the same time). So it could have been the plastic bottles."
[YEA] 09/30/2013: Cattoes from Silver Spring, Md: "I've been struggling with low TSH & Hashimoto since February this year. Many test and multiple doctors visits and one Naturopath visit and much research on my own. I've been taking a Thyroid 130 mg supplement. My TSH is now normal. I now take two daily. Hashimoto gene can not be turned off only managed by diet. Cutting out all gluten, wheat, soy and the hardest is dairy. Even my make up and body products including toothpaste/mouthwash are GF. Avoid fluoride as well.
Eat simple foods and organic. Veggies and meats and following a Paleo type diet can make things easier. Cook all cruciferous veggies such as kale, broccoli, etc. Since they contain goitergens which cause the goiter for people with hyperthyroid conditions and watch out for nightshades due to inflammation. Avoid iodine foods and products. Maintain healthy vitamin D levels as well. And careful on exercising. Give yourself time to heal then keep it simple. Walking and gentle stretching yoga a few times a week is best. Learn to listen to yourself. The body does talk to us, we just need to pay attention and go with what makes you feel better not what doctors, media or what works for others. Each case is individualized so learn what works for yourself."
[YEA] 06/28/2013: Carole from Granville, Ohio: "Since I elminated gluten from my diet, every test for Hashimotos has been negative. Last winter I feel off the gluten free wagon for a couple months and viola, I tested positive again. I learned my lesson, and I will never eat gluten again. My thyroid had to be removed 2 years ago and my Endo said the Hashimotos will go after my pitutary gland next, since it already destroyed by thyroid."
[YEA] 06/13/2013: Laura from Houston, Tx: "When my blood tests indicated that I had Hashi's, my alternative practitioner gave me 2 options - thyroid meds or a gluten-free, dairy-free diet. Of course, I chose the natural route! In addition, he put me on an all-inclusive liquid vitamin, something to support my liver, and a natural thyroid glandular support. He also gave me B-12 tablets. Within 3 months, 2 of the 3 blood markers have come down significantly. I just need to do a better job of sticking to the gluten-free part of the diet. My doc said 98% is not good enough. I have to be 100% gluten-free!!"
[YEA] 01/29/2013: Mar Mimi from Paros, Greece: "I've been diagnosed with Hashimoto's and the first thing is to go gluten free - you will not regret it. Join the facebook page Hashimotos 411 and also their sister page which is for those wishing to follow the elimination diet (presently into day 2 of that). Since going gluten free, my symptons are subsiding, my back ache has gone, my scorched mouth feeling has gone, I've not had a single migraine (usually a big sufferer) and generally feel great. If you really want to get your health back on track - gluten free."Replies
06/07/2013: Bay from Houston, Tx replies: "I have Hashimoto's, and was told that it 'tends to run in families', so I took my 12 year old daughter to be tested. Her T3 and T4 and TSH were fine, but she did have the thyroid antibody which attacks the thyroid. I took her off glutens for 4 weeks, and had her retested. Her autoimmune response had decreased by 50%.
Unfortunately, a gluten-free diet was just too hard for a school-age kid. She went back on glutens. Now she is 16, and did her own research on her fatigue, rough skin, etc. and has decided to take herself off glutens on her own.
I take Armor Thyroid, but have limited my own intake of glutens for the last 5 years. I haven't eliminated completely, but only consume gluten infrequently. I notice that my skin is smoother and softer, and I have much more energy."
06/13/2013: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "I have cut back on glutens too. I went "cold turkey" last fall and avoided them like the plague, when I resumed eating them my hair started falling out. Be careful! I thought my skin was getting softer because I've been taking a bath in white distilled vinegar (about 2 C. In a very large garden tub) and using lemon soap! Maybe it's the reduction in gluten!"
09/24/2011: Romy from Daytona Beach, Fl: "Please could you let me know. I am dealing with Hashimoto for 25 years but now been reading about the gluten affecting thyroid. I've been trying to eat alkaline more fresh verses processed for many years. And did bio scan and shows no gluten allergy.
I am trying to avoid gluten and wondering what is the best alternative for bread. Mostly ate dark dry. And now found Millet breat no gluten. Is that ok to eat? And brown rice and gluten free brown rice pasta?
Thank you much for your feedback."Replies
[YEA] 03/19/2012: Had from White River Jct, Vt replies: "I read a book called 'wheat belly', by cardiologist, he makes the claim that 'wheat' today is not real wheat, it is gmo'd and causes problems chemically in the body by stopping natural needed enzymatic reactions, and auto immune issues stem from this. So just w/o gluten isn't enough, it is off wheat, gluten and initially all grasses and carbs and sugars, to retrain your body not to have a fast insulin reaction. ??? for what it is worth, his information is compelling, we are doing, have hoshimotos as well. It has been a month, ??? book says takes months to get 'normal' but good will come gradually in this protocol. Also showed marked improvement or 'cured' pre and active diabeties(sp) 1 and 2, just by stopping sugar spikes and wheat spikes in blood sugar. Also marked improvement in the hair, yeah the stuff on your head, one toxic reaction your body has is the hair falling out because of the wheat. The book is way detailed as to bodies reactions to wheat and why and how it is different and how many 'issues' we have go right back to these 2 things, wheat and gluten. Get it at library, it is worth reading. hope it helps"
01/07/2013: Drnatural from Tucson, Arizona, Usa replies: "Just a correction regarding Dr. Davis's book "Wheat Belly". Wheat is not GMO, it has gone through hybridizations (if I remember correctly some 25,000). This has completely changed the primitive wheat that existed 2,000 years ago and has greatly increased the percentage of gluten and also gliadin. According to Dr. Davis, the amount of gliadin in modern day wheat is more than normal digestion can handle and creates excess gliadin in our body. The problems caused by gliadin may be as bad or worse than the problems caused by gluten. Thus making modern day wheat bad for everybody whether gluten sensitive or not."
10/01/2013: Cattoes from Silver Spring, Md replies: "Because Hashimoto is an autoimmune disease and can never be cured, treating the gut is the key component to managing the disease. A good probiotic with meals can help with digestion.It also helps if you do get indigestion and need relief. Gluten free foods are not entirely what they are marketed to be so be careful of the ingredient xanthan gum. It could impact an already compromised digestion system.
To rid the body of gluten, which takes about six months to remove from deep tissue and cells, there's a detox program for 7 to 21 days with a select group of foods to choose from.
Be sure to drink pure water (reverse osmosis) which can be purchased at select health markets. Dry body brushing before showering can help with smoother skin. Moisturize with a gluten free lotion.
There is so much to learn about what and how to manage this disease but it can be done with determination and awareness. It isn't always easy to do but you can always get right back on course once you've fallen off but ask yourself, was it worth it?"
05/28/2014: John from Boston replies: "Good post but I will say you want to take your probiotic on an empty stomach and with a small amount of water with some lemon or lime in it. This is the most effective way to take them.
This gets it where it is needed the fastest (in your intestines)and with less insult from the HCL in your stomach. Unless you have a stomach parasite you don't need them in your stomach. You should also take Live probiotics vs. Freeze Dried. The Freeze dried can not reproduce."
11/21/2010: Erin from Nashville, Tn: "I am being treated for Hashimoto's with Datis Kharrazian's protocol, which involves eliminating gluten, which causes antibody production (as most Hashimoto's sufferers have gluten intolerance, but not necessarily with digestive symptoms), balancing the immune system, healing the gut and improving thyroid hormone conversion (which happens in the liver and gut). Determining the dominant immune pathway imbalance and stimulating the non-dominant pathway is a huge part of the protocol. As I am th1 dominant, I avoid th1 stimulators like astragalus, echinacea, medicinal mushrooms and licorice, as they make me worse and instead take a polyphenol complex, emulsified D and a glutathione/SOD cream to reduce inflammation. Most Hashimoto's patients don't need thyroid medicine (unless the thyroid is already ceasing to function due to damage)- they need immune system balancing to stop the autoimmune attack. Meds do not accomplish this and if you have Hashimoto's, you are at much higher risk for developing other autoimmune disorders down the road, as long as the immune system remains imbalanced.
Since starting my protocol, my brain fog has lifted, I've lost weight without trying and I'm much less tired and heavy feeling. The improvement was very quick for me. My friend is also being treated and has had similar quick improvements. Just eliminating gluten (before I ever started the Kharrazian protocol) eliminated my debilitating menstrual cramps and the monthly IBS that accompanied them. My skin also had a lot less breakouts."
11/24/2010: Deb1234 from St Louis, Mo Usa replies: "Hi, Are you seeing a practitioner or just following the K protocol on your own?"
11/28/2010: Erin from Nashville, Tn replies: "I'm seeing a practitioner. Dr. K's protocols are too involved to do on your own, although anyone can start by eliminating gluten, taking emulsified D3 and using Oxicell glutathione cream."
12/26/2010: Jcp from Nashville, Tn replies: "I am new to this protocol and am in between docs - I am thrilled that you have found a practitioner in our area utilizing his protocols. May I ask who you are seeing?"
02/06/2011: Jackie from Bayfield, Colorado, Usa replies: "Thank you so much for taking the time to share your knowlegde. I have learned so much and have many new questions to ask my doctor."
03/04/2011: Diane from Chicago, Il replies: "Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I am just starting with a local practitioner and he is recommending a gluten free diet for my newly diagnosed hashimotos. It all sounds rather odd, so I am glad to see that others are successful with this path of treatment. I hope my treatment is as successful as yours!"
03/17/2011: Lisa from Asheville, Nc replies: "Thank you for the information. I also have hashimoto's and going the natural route to balance my immune system. I was wondering if your levels have evened out yet? this disease has cause me horrible heartache due to not being able to get pregnant. I am hoping ths natural balancing s going to help me so I can get pregnant and all my other horrible symptoms start going away. Ie mood swings, sleep, exhaustion, blah blah blah if your are on here you know what I am going through. Thanks for sharing. Lisa"
03/30/2011: Sophia from Salt Spring Island, Bc, Canada replies: "Hi, I am celiac have been eating gluten free for almost 8 years. I recently found out that I have the beginning stages of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, but I believe I got it because it runs in my family. Gluten intolerance or Celiac disease is the ability to not to digest gluten. When this happens, the gluten stops the body from digesting the nutrients it needs and leads further health problems. I highly suggest going on a gluten free diet and seeing if it helps at all, but I don't believe that it is the cure to Hashimoto's Thyroiditis."
04/08/2011: Karen from Beaumont, Tx replies: "I was just diagnosed with Hasimoto's and asked Dr. for antiobiotics, after the 5 day Z pack, I feel like a million bucks. I was tired, fatigued, depressed, weak, sore throat, hoarse voice, coughing, etc. I was a very active person until the symptoms took me down. Has anyone else had success with antibiotics?"
04/09/2011: Yoki from Charlotte, Nc replies: "Hello, I luv the z-pac. By the way, my mother is from Kountz, TX. Shot out to Beaumont and Ozan High School- one of my friends use to coach there."
04/11/2011: Barb from Chicago, Il replies: "Hi, I am wondering if this is similar at all to the Marshall Protocol and/or Inflammation Therapy?
I have heard all Vit D supplements, foods and even sunlight are stopped while doing a protocol involving Th1. I understand you were told to take Vit D Erin? Why stop Vit D for one protocol but with yours it is allowed?
Thank you for information and continued success with your health."
04/15/2011: Infaith07 from Lexington, Ky replies: "Hello, can anyone tell me if Erin ever responded with the name of the person that was treating her? I would be very interested and very willing to make the drive to Nashville.
04/19/2011: Erin from Nashville, Tn replies: "Hi everyone!
The practitoner I see is Brian Foley, D. C. In Nashville. Dr. Brady Hurst will work with people long distance. http://www.truehealthdc.com/
Dr. Kharrazian also has a list of pracitioners on his site: www.thyroidbook.com
No, gluten avoidance is not the cure all, but a majority of Hashimoto's patients are gluten intolerant (many genetically so) and gluten is a major trigger for cytokine attacks in Hashimoto's. The thinking is that gluten molecules resemble TPO molecules and as the body goes after gluten, it also attacks TPO in the thyroid tissue.
Most gluten intolerance doesn't cause gut symptoms (except in true Celiac)- instead, it causes joint, brain skin, heart or reproductive inflammation, so someone may have no clue they have it. Cyrex Labs has new saliva tests that test all 12 forms of gliadin, not just Alpha Gliadin (which is what other tests are based on) and they even have a test to find out which part of your body is being affected by gluten or if there is a cross-reaction going on (casein and coffee are two offenders, here.)
As far as the Marshall Protocol goes, it's only applicable when Hashimoto's is triggered by an infection, as far as I understand. Dr. Kharrazian talked about that in an interview and said that he tests his patients to see if they have the situation where they need to avoid D and hardly any of them do. D modulates both branches of the immune system and is very anti-inflammatory. Dr. Kharrazian has found that most of his autoimmune patients do best when their D3 levels are in the high end of normal.
Dr. Kharrazian's protocol is pretty specific: balance the overactive branch of the immune system, remove the triggers, heal the gut, balance the blood sugar and deal with hormone and neurotransmitter imbalances. Neurotransmitters can be very affected by thyroid hormone imbalances. It's very all-encompassing.
I'm still doing the protocol, now with the addition of dopamine support (Dr. Kharrazian makes a formula for it called Dopatone) and I'm feeling EVEN better! My elimination has improved a lot, my brain feels way more "on" and my libido has returned."
10/24/2011: Lisa from Chicago, Il replies: "I am 54, have had Hashimoto's for 8 years and treat it with synthroid. I would like to do more natural diet related treatment and eat only fish and eggs, no meat. The thing is an a health professional I am concerned when I read that there is a DR., actually a Chiropractor, in Nashville who has been recommended as a medical source. Treatment of Hashimoto's is I thought outside his scope of practice and he is not licensed to prescribe or treat a medical condition other than through nutrition and chiropractic measures. What I am saying is I know there are a lot of good people out there that have help to offer but if they don't have a medical degree, and a Chiropractor or other does not have a degree to practice Medicine, then I would make sure you are being followed by a good Endocrinologist as well."
11/28/2011: Mh from Toronto, On replies: "Lisa, the *last* thing a person following a natural protocol to treat a serious health ailment needs is an allopathic MD interfering! The biomedical system is self-legitimating (i.e. , they declare themselves to be authorities) and self-policing (they intentionally exclude natural healing practices, as they interfere with their almost-pathological need for control over people and their bodies). Many of us here do not recognize allopaths as legitimate health practitioners, or, at most, as people who hold to extremely limited and generally misguided beliefs about the body and healing."
04/26/2012: Kathy from Soldotna, Alaska replies: "This is for MH from Toronto Hello MH I really like what you wrote about allopathic doctors. They have sad things and done things to me that were not beneficial towards my Hashimotos. I had blood work done in China and they have tried to put the fear of God in me. Allopathic docs in China are just like the ones n the US. They want people to buy drugs and do endless amount of tests. We know how we feel right? I am on armour and the protocols that I see on this webste. I feel excellent. Its just when those doctors try to scare me I lose my focus.. Do they really know how to treat this disease? They want to slash burn and put poisons into us. I beleieve in alternative medicines and the power that we can heal ourselves. MH thank you for your words of wisdom. You helped me get back on track. Kathy"
01/17/2013: Jbh from Marietta, Usa replies: "Many chiropractors DO hold degrees in nutrition while an M.D. often knows nothing about nutrition!
As a Hashi patient, I see a naturopath which I love. She has helped me so much more than all the medical doctors I have seen! They spend less than 5 minutes, then bill insurance!"
02/23/2013: Dee From Knoxville, Tn from Knoxville, Tn replies: "Hi JBH from Marietta... I live just north in TN and would so love to know who you see in Marietta (assuming this is GA). Looking for someone who truly understands Hashis. So thankful for your reply!"
06/25/2013: Kathy from Olympia, Wa: "I was diagnosed 3 months postpartum with Hashimotos. I ended up in ER with A-fib and needed to be converted. This is how they first saw my thyroid levels in hyperthyroid. After several months of attempting to regulate my TSH it was confirmed that I had Hosa himotos (i guess in some cases the thyroid returns to normal postpartum). It's been 7 years now and I am still having problems getting my thyroid levels normalized. If I were to show you a graph it would be all over the place. I have tried cytomel for a short run, which helped breifly with energy, but that was short lived. I have had rounds of hair loss (currently). If I change my levothroid ever so lightly it seems to throw me into either hyper or hypo. My last test was an 8 for TSH and we are not trying to have me take just. 137 three days a week. I take an aspirin/day due to my risk of A-fib when in hyperthyroid. At this point, I'm feeling sort of like a prisoner in my own body. I started menopause also right after birth and it's difficult to narrow down what is happening hormonally when my thyroid is off-seems I have more hotflashes when my thyroid levels are not right."Replies
06/26/2013: Cc from Los Angeles, Ca replies: "Kathy from Olympia, re. Hashimoto Thyroiditis. Google Thyroid Maddness. When I switched from synthetic to natural thyroid dessicated meds, my symptoms dissappeared. In my reseach I found the best natural dessicated thyroid medicine and the purest, manufactured in Belgium, distributed in Canada by Erfan. In the last 4 yrs since I made the switch my Antibodies have been reduced from 4 Million to 29.
Study, research and take responsibility for your own health...... No one else will. Good Luck."
02/08/2013: Beverly from Haskell, Ok: "I live just outside Tulsa, OK. Like so many Hasimoto patients, I can't find a really good alternative medicine doctor or even an understanding Endo. (have been to 3 in past few years and none are sympathetic to natural healing (surprise, surprise.) Has anyone out there found one they can communicate with and would recommend? Anywhere in NE OK?"
09/08/2011: Et from Sgp: "I had my blood tested for the 3rd time,
thyroglobulin antibody & TPO antibody (HIGH), T4, T3 & TSH (NORMAL)
does it mean I have hasimoto's?
I did a food allergy test too & I'm allergic most to flouride & apples, does it mean if I totally stop taking the two my blood test will be normal?"Replies
09/08/2011: Jen from Bozeman, Mt, Us replies: "It sounds to me like if you don't stop using flouride and eating apples you might possibly have thyroid issues in the very near future. It might be possible to stop both of them and get retested in a few months to see if the TPO is still high. Just remove the antagonist and you should be fine."
06/13/2013: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "Doesn't chlorella chelate fluoride?"
04/27/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us: "I wanted to share my update since being diagnosed with Hashimoto's in late February of this year. I also had a 1cm nodule on the right side of my thyroid. I had already started the VCO on 02/24/2011 and in addition, my doctor told me to go on a gluten-free diet immediately and chart my symptoms/progress, etc...
I have been diligent about not cheating since going Gluten Free and I have been faithful in taking 1 TBS of VCO daily along with other supplements. I had a follow-up appt. On 04/19/2011 and my doctor could not find the nodule! I have also felt increasingly better since going GF. I noticed a huge difference after about a month of being GF and I am feeling better as time goes on. She will check my thyroid levels in June, including antibodies.
Currently I am not on any meds and she has said she hopes to keep me off of any medication as long as possible. I do believe it is the combination of the VCO and GF diet that have helped with the Hashimoto's. The supplements I am on, I have been taking for a long time. So I think at this point I am actually able to absorb the nutrients and am benefitting from those from a nutritional standpoint. I have also been told that people with Hashimoto's need to be very careful about supplementing with iodine since our issue is an immune system issue and not rooted in the thyroid per se. I am not saying nobody should take iodine but at this point I am not using it and and being cautious. My doctor said she did want to check my iodine levels as well but for now to continue on as I have been doing. Here is a link to Dr. Kharrazian's site: http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/ author of the book titled: "Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal"
Any feedback or input is greatly appreciated!
04/28/2011: Louise from Petaluma, Ca replies: "I have also been diagnosed with Hashimoto thyroiditis and am interested in starting vinager and coconut oil. I'm just not clear on how you take it. Thanks for any advice."
04/29/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "Hi Louise~
I will share what I am doing for my Hashimoto's which includes virgin coconut oil. I do take 1 TBS _____'s organic vinegar about once a week as well. Everything I am doing is under the supervision of my healthcare provider. She practices integrative medicine and that makes a huge difference in treatment. Most conventional/western doctors will put you on some type of synthetic thyroid hormone. Here is my current protocol:
1) Gluten free diet is a must and has made a huge difference : )
2) I take 1 TBS of virgin coconut oil daily - usually I just put it in my tea but some people prefer to put it on toast or in a smoothie, etc... I know some people take up to 3 TBS/day but I have found 1TBS to work great for me, no side effects.
3) sublingual B12 (methylcobalamin)- 1000mcg per day
4) 200mg CoQ10
5) 2000mg krill oil
6) pro-biotic -I use Jarrow brand but there are many good ones out there
7) D3 5000iu daily
8) daily raw multi-vitamin
9) adrenal cortex was just added to support my adrenals - I haven't started taking this yet.
10) L-Theanine for anxiety when needed but since going gluten free my anxiety is pretty much gone : )
I know this is probably more than you wanted to know. But I didn't want it to seem like I was just using VCO for my Hashi's.
Feel free to email me anytime - frog_513(at)yahoo(dot)com
Health and wellness to you~
04/30/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "Update on Hashimoto's protocol... I forgot to mention a few very important supplements in addition to the ones I already listed.
1) 2000mg vitamin C in the form of ester C - this is essential for adrenal health. Most people with a thryoid condition also have some form of adrenal fatigue.
2) 12 mg Zinc 3- x's week ( the zinc I use also has vitamin C and vitamin A)
3) 400mg magnesium daily - I use a topical magnesium gel that is in a sea water solution. This has helped with heart palpitations, and I sleep much better. My healthcare provider also said that magnesium taurate is great but I didn't want to take another pill so she is fine with me using the gel. Magnesium is very important - if you want to learn more just google "symptoms of magnesium deficiency" or "benefits of magnesium" - very interesting reading. I wonder how many people would benefit from this supplement alone but doctors never even mention it!
08/18/2011: Marina from Lake Stevens, Washington, United States replies: "This Website has given me so much hope and a new beginning. I am a strong believer of one self healing itself with nature. I have been suffering from hashimoto's for about 6 years now and not one has made me feel hopeful. I went to one naturopath and neither she didn't show any knowledge. I have been shut down so many times. I have been reading and found conflicting suggestions until now. My endo is supposed to be the best one in town. Unfortunately, I don't need an endo. I will take control of this disease and Everyone here has given me this strength to do so. Thank you everyone. I will get that book today and definitely go gluten-free. I have 3 hideous visible inflammed nodules all over the front of my neck. I'm so glad I didn't go through the surgery when I almost did. The whole surgery made no sense to me at all. I didn't want to removed a gland which had to deficiency whatsoever. I can now finally start my journey to balancing my immune system and living a more comfortable life.
God Bless, Marina"
[YEA] 10/03/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "Update on original post from 2/24/11 about my progress with Hashimoto's. It has now been 7 months since diagnosis and being gluten-free. I had my last appointment on 08/31/2011 and my thyroid nodule is still gone, and my thyroid feels normal. The only issue I have is slight T4 to T3 conversion deficit that I am hoping will correct itself since I am on supplents with selenium and I still use VCO daily. I am feeling good on a daily basis. I never thought I could stick with being gluten-free but I feel so good and it is just my life now and I am fine with that. I felt so bad for so long that it is a small price to pay to wake up feeling rested and have energy all day. To play with my kids, clean my house, take a walk, all the things I couldn't do because I was so fatigued. I write this in hopes of offering encouragement. I am optimistic that in another 5 or 6 months to be at optimal wellness by losing 20lbs now that I can exercise again. For those that are suffering, please don't give up, just make one change at a time and take it one day at time.
I would love to know how others are doing and feeling, what protocols you are on, etc...
10/04/2011: Hashiaussie from Melbourne, Australia replies: "I too have been gluten free for some years now and note the difference for my Hashimotos. I have been on selenium and magnesium which help a lot and just recently VCO and ACV when I came across this site. I was on t4 and t3 to get me started some 7 years ago and now on t4 alone. I have read Dr Karazian's book - thethyroidbook - and it is very clear on what to do once you know whether you are T1 or T2 dominant. I am T1 so drink green tea all day, coffee once a day and avoid echinacea - all of which make me feel better. I have a glutathione cream and various supplements, zinc, vit D, Bs. Recently, Hope for Hashimotos has proven instructive. My current challenge is insulin resistance and high cholesterol so oats (I do not have the intolerence to oats gene) and 4 hourly protein. This is a hard disease demanding constant attention but if my family's predisposition to alzheimers is to be avoided then it has to be done. I also look at hashimotos411 on the social network, sciencedaily and Mary Shamon's site to research anything that comes up. I am definitely better since doing all this and have been exercising now for 2 years. Here in Melbourne informed medical practitioners are rare so you just have to do it yourself and it is possible but does take a lot of time and research skills cross-verifying the information. Best of luck to you."
01/04/2012: Lisa from Morehead City, Nc replies: "Hi Carleen... I have Hashimotos and live in Morehead city. Just wondering who your Dr. is? I have been to a few around here with no real help! Would love to find someone who knows this disease and can actually help!
07/22/2012: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "I was diagnosed in February of 2011 and immediately began a GF diet along with various supplements. It is now almost 1½ years later and I am still med free and feel really good. I am still GF ( mostly Paleo/raw) and will continue to eat that way since I react horribly when I ingest even a small amount of gluten. I am truly grateful for the healing that God has brought to my body. I share this information to offer hope and to let people know that it is possible to heal. It is a commitment and the journey can be long but for me it has been worth it!
My recent appointment on June 5, 2012 went well. My bloodwork is as follows:
Free T3: 3.0 normal
FreeT4: 1.12 normal
Ferritin : 28 low
CRP : 4.0 high
Vitamin D: 55 good
Cholesterol: Triglycerides 132, HDL 55, LDL 69, ratio 2. 7 all normal, low risk.
My antibodies were normal the last time we did bloodwork so I guess that is why she didn't check them this time.
One of my most frustrating issues is not being able to lose 20lbs. My doctor thought since my T3 is low normal that could be hindering the weight loss so she put me on cytomel ( T3 only) for 3 months (12.5 mg 2x's day). After 3 days I was so tired I stopped taking it. I am not sure why I was tired- the usual side effect is the opposite but not for me. I felt better within a day or two and decided that I would find another way to lose weight. Just curious if anyone else has tried cytomel and if it helped or not.
If anybody has any insight on why my CRP is elevated please share. My doctor thinks I might have a parasite, or yeast but I just did a yeast cleanse and don't have any symptoms of candida. I do have a broken back molar that needs a crown but no infection and my other teeth and gums are good.
I am trying to get my supplements down to a minimum ( I am a recovering supplement junkie : ) and at this point I have found the following to be the most beneficial for me:
Probiotic - dairy free and at least 30billion active cultures.
Magnesium or a topical Magnesium gel
L-theanine great for anxiety I don't take this much anymore but it helps with sleep too. Non-drowsy just relaxes you and helps with GABA production.
N Acetyl Cysteine 600mg
Tumeric I take this for inflammation hoping it will help lower my CRP
Vitamin C 1000mgs
Selenium from Brazil nuts - I almost purchased selenium and noticed it has wheat in it - be sure to check labels if you go that route.
Krill Oil or fermented cod liver oil I alternate these 2 supplements
Iron I will take this until my iron stores are adequate
Coconut oil organic
Brewers Yeast I just added this less than a month ago I was skeptical because I thought it would cause candida but I read up it and this kind of yeast is good for many things. So far, no side effects at all. I like the fact that I am getting vitamins and amino acids from a food source rather than a pill. Only taking 2TBS a day not the 3 that is recommended.
Liqui-Kelp I just started this yesterday. I realize this goes against the Dr. K Hashimotos protocol and against what I said in an earlier post but I read an article about how to take iodine if you have Hashi's and my doctor also said that it is necessary for overall health even if you have Hashi's. She recommends Atomidine but I wanted to try a kelp based one. I am only taking 4 drops once a day which is 150mcg very low dose. I am hoping that this will help with my immune system, lower CRP level, and help with weight loss. Any Hashi's people out there who have used iodine ( kelp, lugols, etc.. ?) with success? I will let you know what happens, still too soon to tell. Here is the article if anyone is interested:
Here are the issues that have resolved for me:
-Thyroid nodule is gone and thyroid is no longer enlarged.
-No more chronic sinus infections
-No more catching every virus/flu that comes around
-No anxiety, heart palpitations
-My eyelashes and eyebrows are full an thick again ( I had bald spots on my eyebrows and was missing a lot of eyelashes)
-Steady energy throughout the day thank God!!
-My feet don't hurt anymore
-Clear thinking ( clear for me anyway : )
Always consult your healthcare provider before taking supplements. I know some of us are forced to self-treat I was one of those people for a long time. Now that I found a wonderful integrative healthcare provider my health has improved greatly.
Please don't give up hope it takes time but once you get there it is worth it. Sorry this was so long! Health and Wellness to all~
~Carleen -- frog_513(at)yahoo.com"
04/12/2011: Naomi from Machynlleth, Powys Uk: "I have Hashimoto's hpothyroid-diagnosed 1997. In UK we are advised not to use iodine or kelp. Now I have read on your posts that I am at high risk of breast cancer due to thyroid hormone replacement, and supplementing with iodine could help prevent this. I have fibrocystic breast tissue.
What should I do?"Replies
[YEA] 10/30/2011: Imcinnamon from Orlando, Fl replies: "I am an avid follower of Dr. Jonathan Wright, and Dr. Mercola. The information on Dr. Wrights site is excellent regarding hypothyroid and Iodine. Two Dr's said in all their yrs of practice, I have the worst case they have ever seen, and described it as "off the charts" I have went from an energetic thin person to overweight, exhausted, depressed and anxiety ridden person overnight. I feel so ill sometimes, I even thought maybe I had cancer. After reading Dr. Wrights site last week, I purchased iodine (colored) to test my iodine, [put the orange color on my inside arm, and it completely disappeared within an hour. I then ran to a health food store, and purchased Iodine, and literally overnight, I felt better than I have in years. In 2 days, the huge lump I had on the right side of my neck, is completely gone. Nothing short of amazing for me. I plan on adding _____s apple cider vinegar next, and a few supplements that are purported to assist."
04/21/2012: Pixie Poet from Sunnyvale, Ca replies: "Iodine supplements must be taken with SELENIUM together.
Otherwise, iodine will actually harm the thyroid.
Do not take selenium alone, do not take iodine alone."
09/15/2013: Joy from Solana Beach replies: "A friend of mine was just diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease. I read the two articles you included, and I thought they were VERY important articles... That should be read by everyone on Earthclinic and beyond... even if they don't have Hahimotos. We all need to understand the importance of the selenium-iodine balance. Thanks so much!"
12/20/2009: Diego from Albuquerque, Nm: "Iodine and Hashimoto's
Hi, I've been doing research on the effects of iodine on the thyroid and I seem to be going in circles. Some articles say iodine can shut down the thyroid if overused or cause an increase in antibodies. Yet, doesn't the thyroid need iodine to produce t3/t4? If Hashimoto's is more of an autoimmune disorder than hypothyroidism, is it wise to treat it the same way?
Also, I've been supplementing with potassium iodide for a few weeks and I've noticed memory/brain fog improvement. What are the advantages of using a mixture such as Lugol's (iodine and iodide) as opposed just iodide?"
12/22/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn replies: "Hello Diego from Albequerce,
You are right, the body does need iodine for the thyroid to function properly, and for a lot of other things including producing hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Just a couple of drops of Lugol's solution or SSKI daily is enough to take care of this, but when you take increased dosage of either for prolonged period you need to have your TSH checked every month or two and if your TSH goes up it tells you to lay off the iodine awhile and let the body return to normal.
For further information on SSKI (saturated solution of potassium iodide which is not much different from the Lugol's solution) type Potassium iodide in a search window and go through references to pull out Dr. Jonathan Wright's great article on SSKI, which tells you what to use it for and how much to use and approximately how long. You can print this out to keep for future reference. After my bout in the hospital last spring, I started taking 6 drops of SSKI daily for multiple purposes (loosen secretions in the head/lungs, get rid of small renal cysts, flush cholesterol out of blood vessels, and also locally for hemorrhoids) but had to drop off after about 2-3 months of this dosage because it did suppress my thyroid (when taking larger dose for prolonged period should have TSH checked every month or two).
The doctor wanted to prescribe me a low dose thyroid supplement but I declined and told her I'd just stop the SSKI temporarily and increase my B complex vitamins (which the thyroid also requires for proper functioning) and have another TSH in a month or two. The next TSH was back to normal, which tells you that when you treat your body right it works with you and balances out.
Another thing you should remember with SSKI or Lugol's solution is that you should never take it with any water containing chlorine as this reacts with it and causes the potassium iodide to revert to iodine."
01/20/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Diego:
Potassium iodide in general has the least side effects when taking the iodine supplements. A lugol's solution for most people, the use is limited to 1-2 drops. However in the case of a client I know, who has severe Parkinson's disease, they are far more sensitive to the lugol's solution, taken either internally or applied externally to the feet or applied to the throat area. Hence I have found another kind of iodine which produces even less side effects then Edgar Cayce's Nascent Iodine, which is the hydrogen iodide. I had to since this particular case is a hypothyroid. A lot of researchers really got stuck into what forms of iodine has the least side effects and allow the body to utilize them. For most people, I will use lugols' 1-2 drops in the evening with 500 to 1000 mg of vitamin C as it is more available. A potassium iodide will also do fine and has few side effects, but iodine in general will cause some people, at least initially of acne, being the most common problems. In practice, the use of iodine against Hashimoto does reduce them, but it's more likely that a person will not increase in energy. The effects of iodine is because it's a halogen, and a required mineral, it will also drive out cancer causing fluoride and bromine out of the body, even after months of use, it will continue to drive them out. The beneficial effects is it re activates the pineal gland, which is considered your organ's clock mechanism, such as a CPU clock in the computer, and allows for more regular sleep cycle. For example, the common benefits from increase energy is likely more regular sleep patterns which is most responsible for the increase in energy.
The reason why there are conflicting information is the body simply has trouble trying to get iodine and utilized them, as many forms of iodine produces side effect. So the Quick and Dirty rule is commonly used by conventional medicine such as giving out, thyroid medication instead of the use iodine. So you get a quick fix approach, which commercial scale is cost effective, for them, but won't cure your condition as you will end up taking thyroid medication for the rest of your life. So that doesn't make economic sense as a consumer. It just makes economic sense for the conventional medicine approach. As a result the best forms of iodine I have found is hydrogen iodide, nascent iodine, potassium iodide (or a similar form SSKI), are the ones with the least problem. A lugol's makes more economic sense for most people as they are more easy to find, but it's limited by the dose a person can take, which is usually 1-2 drops with vitamin C before sleep and this works too, at least for most people.
The other problem is how to get the body to really utilize the iodine, hence it's possible that lugol's solution can be taken with tyrosine, which helps the body utilize them, but magnesium seems to be also an important factor too, not just vitamin C so the person can take larger dose of iodine without problems. Therefore in event of a hypothyroidism, which in severe cases leads to goiter, it was well known that the use of iodine in larger doses was in fact the cure fo thyroid. This fact is known for over 150 years, but in today's meidicine the quick and dirty rule is slash and burn, which translates to remove the goiter, and take thyroid medication for the rest of your life. That doesn't make sense, so some may rationalize and just say it is shut down.
However, too much iodine might not be possible for the body to utilized them, since other supplements are needed so the body can handle them, such as taking tyrosine amino acid along with the iodine. It would be a boon to actually allow the body to quickly utilize the iodine if other supplements are also taken so it can be cured faster. So if a simple case for most people I would modify taking a bit larger drops of Lugol's solution to say 4-5 drops every night, with vitamin C 1000 mg, and 500 mg of tyrosine supplements. Or a more conservative dose, if someone still have problems is just to limit to 1-2 drops again. Another indirect way is to take the tyrosine supplements 500 mg with vitamin C in the morning followed by a 10 drops in 1/2 glass of water with lugol's solution as just a mouthwash. That should also reduce some of the problems. SO the cause of hypothyroidism and goiter has been the lack of iodine, how we can take them without problems is the real issue. In fact iodine can cured malaria as same as MMS, but both has problems with the side effects and some can handle them, some cannot. It's all about finding the remedies that won't cause problems for a great majority of people, not a small minority of people. In general for the questions of Lugols' versus the potassium iodide, the answer is simply that potassium iodide produces less side effects then the Lugol's solution, such as light headedness is the ones I noticed, but I take in much larger dose, such as 10 drops to test for their side effects. I won't get these problems at 1-2 drops. As for potassium iodide in general, there's no lightheadness problem if the dose are reasonable and keeping it at 10 mg dose or below. It's harder to do a 10 mg dose on Lugol's. In general, Lugols' for most people are easier to obtain then potassium iodide, so if it's hard to get, people will just get Lugol's and get around the problem by taking them at night and take the vitamin C to reduce the side effects of lightheadedness. It's taken during the night because lugol's solution does make you sleepy. Hence it's one of my remedies to help sleep also and allows people for regular sleep patterns.
[NAY] 11/10/2010: Pat from Santa Monica, Ca replies: "I do not take iodine. Just heard too often that it isn't good for people with Hashi's"
02/10/2011: Dallas from Amesbury, Ma, Usa replies: "I have tried iodine/iodide and I have Hashi's hyPOthyroidism. At first, iodine/ide makes me more tired even if I take Vitamin C with it. Then, after a week or so I get more energetic and feel better. Except for one thing. Along with the Hashi's, I also have the thyroid eye disease (ted) that usually comes with Grave's hyPERthyroidism. Iodine seems to make the double vision of the ted much worse and I can't live with the pain behind my eyes or the sensitivity to light when I paint myself with iodine. This doesn't make sense as I am normally very iodine deficient and I know we need iodine. Go figger! Anybody ever dealt with this?"
02/02/2013: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines: "Here's some very useful information on Hashimoto's and Graves disease that might help people with these thyroid disorders. Below is some independent research by Dr Guy Abraham from the Iodine Project on the importance of selenium and, in particular, the glutathione peroxidase enzyme as an essential anti-oxidant in the body that helps to prevent and cure auto-immune thyroiditis problems like Hashimotos and Graves Disease. This paper reveals both the cause and cure for both Hashimotos and Graves Disease:
THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY
Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (delta-iodolactone). Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine.
As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids delta-iodolactone.
Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, delta-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of delta-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto's or Graves' disease.
A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders
The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.
Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production.
Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine.
If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e. , iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of delta-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the 'brake' in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO.
What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness
The body's response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin - anti-thyroglobulin antibodies.
In most cases of Hashimoto's disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves' disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves' disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes.
How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders
1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to iodinate lipids.
2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.
3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants.
4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels.
5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body."Replies
06/13/2013: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "Bill, Thank you for that great information. I believe it's the overproduction of H202 that causes vitiligo, too. So, if I cure the autoimmune thyroid disease, does the vitiligo get better or worse (since you're increasing the H202)?? Lou"
06/25/2013: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "Hi Lou.... There are many medical theories concerning vitiligo. Some believe that vitiligo arises because of an over-abundance of hydrogen peroxide in the skin area caused by a lack of anti-oxidants such as catalase enzyme and SOD to get rid of it. The hydrogen peroxide acts as a bleach which turns the brown pigments white. Other minds believe that it is an anti-immune reaction against the cells producing the brown pigment melanin.
Personally, I'll go with Ted's view that vitiligo is caused by fungus. This is really the root cause of vitiligo in my book."
06/26/2013: Andrea C from Cardiff, Wales replies: "Hi, I have to agree on this. I got Vitiligo in the UK. It is recognized as inward turned stress. If natural remedies don't work, try Nizarol Shampo. Although it's applied to your skin, it does not leak into your body. Others have had great success with Selsian Blue. I am alway's searching for a way to get rid of this Devil!! It hurts!!! It's just not the discolouration, it's the agitation that it causes as well. I belive it's the Major cause of my neuropathic pain! xxx"
06/27/2013: Andrea C from Cardiff, Wales replies: "Follow up to my last post on Vitiligo. Sorry it is called 'SELSUN' in UK... But I think it's 'SELSIUM' in USA. I will go look and correct any other mistakes I may have made. But the 'VITILIGO' forums I went on were USA... I love The American people, they're real honest and open about health problems and willing to share what worked for them, and don't try to sell you some, B.S. product. Also can everyone please 'REPORT' any Links That say's IT'S FREE!! And when you 'click', on the link....... 'THERE IT IS!!!!!!! ' A product being sold????? That's EVIL!!!!!! Some one finds something that 'cured' them..... Then sells Books, E-Books and Products which are all given with good intention on here. OK!!!!! For instance, under 'COPD' Some one posted a so called 'FREE E-BOOK-LINK, I thought I bet it's the 'DR WILLIAM'S PROTOCOL FOR 'H202 ORAL INGESTION'.... So I purchased it. Do not bother!!! I am not stupid, I just wanted to save deperate people from spending money they can't afford, neither can I!!! ALL THE INFO IN THERE HAS BEEN COPIED OFF EC!!!!!!! PLEASE NOTIFY EC....... IF YOU SPOT SOME THING 'DOGEY' I always do. Love Andrea C xxxx"