Table of Contents
| QUESTIONS & ANSWERS |
| DIET CHANGE |
| ELIMINATE GLUTEN |
| GENERAL FEEDBACK |
| IODINE |
| KOMBUCHA TEA |
| REMEDIES NEEDED |
| RHODIOLA |
| SELENIUM |
| SHEN LU |
| WATER, SUPPLEMENTS |
Cure Hashimoto's Thyroiditis
"Hashimoto's thyroiditis or chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis is an autoimmune disease where the body's own antibodies attack the cells of the thyroid. It was the first disease to be recognised as an autoimmune disease.
This disorder is believed to be the most common cause of primary hypothyroidism in North America. It occurs far more often in women than in men (10:1 to 20:1), and is most prevalent between 45 and 65 years of age.
In European countries, an atrophic form of autoimmune thyroiditis (Ord's thyroiditis) is more common than Hashimoto's thyroiditis." (Wikipedia)
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DIET CHANGE
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05/25/2011: Andrea from Davidson, Nc writes: "Hello
I have being diagnosed as a hashimoto patient. I visited a practioner (she says she follows Dr. Kharazian's protocol) and she recommended me to follow the diet "Eat Right For Your Type - Dr. peter j D'Adamo".
I am vegetarian and the first item she tells me to add to my diet is buffalo meat. I need some feedback if Dr. Kharazian, follows and recommends that diet for hashimoto's patient. Please your opinion is very valuable to me, as I am confused and not sure about the protocol of this practitioner.
Much gratitude, Andrea"
Replies09/03/2011: Mary from Bradenton, Florida Usa replies: "This post is addressed to Erin, who stated her health improved after following Dr Datis Kharazian's diet -You say you have autoimmune thyroiditis. Do you have Before and After test results?
I know you didn't claim that the diet actually reversed your condition - but did it? Did you retest your anti-thyroid antibodies - thyroid peroxidase (TPO) and anti-thyroglobulin to see what the numbers are? Total remission is 0-34 for the TPO, and <20 for antithyroglobulin. Maybe the numbers just decreased significantly.
Numbers are the only way to tell if this autoimmune condition is in remission, and others that make claims that a diet or protocol has reversed their condition can only prove it by these numbers.
Hope you're out there Erin and see this!
Thanks."
11/18/2011: Tresa from Boise, Id replies: "I was going to see a doctor that follows the Dr. Kharrazian protocol till he told me it would cost $7,000. 00. Which would basically come out of your pocket cause insurances pretty much won't pay for the type of tests they do. Just can't afford that."
02/08/2012: Suz from Austin, Tx replies: "Hi Teresa, Can you tell what doctor charged $7K to run all those tests? I'm about ready to take my daughter to someone who sounds like they do the same type of testing... And $7K is way out of my range. They just state that you can't afford not to do it.Thanks"
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[YEA] 04/12/2011: 6finns from Oswego, Il writes: "I have been cured of Hashimoto's through a diet initially developed for Asperger's by Sandra Desorgher (later used to treat her Autistic daughter, Sarah). After being on the diet (which is lutein- and beta carotene-free) for about 5 months, my thyroid antibodies tested negative. I've seen other improvements such as feeling more present and alert, more patience, and a greater ease in shifting my focus."
Replies07/12/2011: Jc from Merrimac Valley, Ma replies: "Can you share more about your diet?"
08/06/2011: Renee from Evans, Colorado replies: "Cured ? wow that is wonderful, even 80% of even natural / holistic doctors says that Hashimotos cannot be cured but managed by being symtom free... Remember its an autoimmune disease.... Mosltly all say not curable.... , but.... I am very interested on how you still are feeling now ?... And just want to make sure I didn't misunderstand , but you used the word cured.. really ?... If so that is awesome... just thought a person can't be cured of if?"
01/11/2012: Susan from Milliken, Co replies: "I am also very curious as I would love to even get marked improvement."
01/12/2012: Jeff from Laguna Niguel, Ca replies: "Hashimoto's is curable... Auto immune diseases are curable. Any auto-immune deficiency is simply the result of Leaky Gut Syndrome (which itself is easily curable). If you do a good herbal colon AND parasite cleanse for 90 days, plus eat a diet high in fiber from fruits and vegetables (not too much fruit/sugar), restricting or eliminating dairy, restricting animal based proteins (plant based instead... You can make protein shakes with a combination of pea protein and brown rice protein to help you get the protein you need). You will also want to take pro-biotics during the cleanse to help improve your intestinal flora. Within 90 days your intestinal tract will be healthy again... No more leaky gut, no more auto immune disease. Here is a very good article on Leaky Gut Syndrome and auto-immune:http://www.mold-survivor.com/leaky_gut_syndrome.html
The best colon and parasite products are "Experience" and "Clear" made by Awareness Corporation. However you might also look into Dr. Natura prodcuts.
Don't believe the "it's not curable" crowd... it's because they haven't done the right research."
01/12/2012: Ishtar from Cerritos, California replies: "Hashimoto's disease can definitely be cured. Did you all know that it does not exist in China. Thyroid problems in Chinese medicine are a symptom of the true imbalance in your body. Find a good acupuncturist. It may take a year of more to cure but it is worth it. Besides, thyroid meds give people heart problems after taking them for several years."
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ELIMINATE GLUTEN
09/24/2011: Romy from Daytona Beach, Fl writes: "Please could you let me know. I am dealing with Hashimoto for 25 years but now been reading about the gluten affecting thyroid. I've been trying to eat alkaline more fresh verses processed for many years. And did bio scan and shows no gluten allergy.
I am trying to avoid gluten and wondering what is the best alternative for bread. Mostly ate dark dry. And now found Millet breat no gluten. Is that ok to eat? And brown rice and gluten free brown rice pasta?
Thank you much for your feedback."
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11/21/2010: Erin from Nashville, Tn writes: "I am being treated for Hashimoto's with Datis Kharrazian's protocol, which involves eliminating gluten, which causes antibody production (as most Hashimoto's sufferers have gluten intolerance, but not necessarily with digestive symptoms), balancing the immune system, healing the gut and improving thyroid hormone conversion (which happens in the liver and gut). Determining the dominant immune pathway imbalance and stimulating the non-dominant pathway is a huge part of the protocol. As I am th1 dominant, I avoid th1 stimulators like astragalus, echinacea, medicinal mushrooms and licorice, as they make me worse and instead take a polyphenol complex, emulsified D and a glutathione/SOD cream to reduce inflammation. Most Hashimoto's patients don't need thyroid medicine (unless the thyroid is already ceasing to function due to damage)- they need immune system balancing to stop the autoimmune attack. Meds do not accomplish this and if you have Hashimoto's, you are at much higher risk for developing other autoimmune disorders down the road, as long as the immune system remains imbalanced.
Since starting my protocol, my brain fog has lifted, I've lost weight without trying and I'm much less tired and heavy feeling. The improvement was very quick for me. My friend is also being treated and has had similar quick improvements. Just eliminating gluten (before I ever started the Kharrazian protocol) eliminated my debilitating menstrual cramps and the monthly IBS that accompanied them. My skin also had a lot less breakouts."
11/24/2010: Deb1234 from St Louis, Mo Usa replies: "Hi, Are you seeing a practitioner or just following the K protocol on your own?"
11/28/2010: Erin from Nashville, Tn replies: "I'm seeing a practitioner. Dr. K's protocols are too involved to do on your own, although anyone can start by eliminating gluten, taking emulsified D3 and using Oxicell glutathione cream."
12/26/2010: Jcp from Nashville, Tn replies: "I am new to this protocol and am in between docs - I am thrilled that you have found a practitioner in our area utilizing his protocols. May I ask who you are seeing?"
02/06/2011: Jackie from Bayfield, Colorado, Usa replies: "Thank you so much for taking the time to share your knowlegde. I have learned so much and have many new questions to ask my doctor."
03/04/2011: Diane from Chicago, Il replies: "Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I am just starting with a local practitioner and he is recommending a gluten free diet for my newly diagnosed hashimotos. It all sounds rather odd, so I am glad to see that others are successful with this path of treatment. I hope my treatment is as successful as yours!"
03/17/2011: Lisa from Asheville, Nc replies: "Thank you for the information. I also have hashimoto's and going the natural route to balance my immune system. I was wondering if your levels have evened out yet? this disease has cause me horrible heartache due to not being able to get pregnant. I am hoping ths natural balancing s going to help me so I can get pregnant and all my other horrible symptoms start going away. Ie mood swings, sleep, exhaustion, blah blah blah if your are on here you know what I am going through. Thanks for sharing. Lisa"
03/30/2011: Sophia from Salt Spring Island, Bc, Canada replies: "Hi, I am celiac have been eating gluten free for almost 8 years. I recently found out that I have the beginning stages of Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, but I believe I got it because it runs in my family. Gluten intolerance or Celiac disease is the ability to not to digest gluten. When this happens, the gluten stops the body from digesting the nutrients it needs and leads further health problems. I highly suggest going on a gluten free diet and seeing if it helps at all, but I don't believe that it is the cure to Hashimoto's Thyroiditis."
04/08/2011: Karen from Beaumont, Tx replies: "I was just diagnosed with Hasimoto's and asked Dr. for antiobiotics, after the 5 day Z pack, I feel like a million bucks. I was tired, fatigued, depressed, weak, sore throat, hoarse voice, coughing, etc. I was a very active person until the symptoms took me down. Has anyone else had success with antibiotics?"
04/09/2011: Yoki from Charlotte, Nc replies: "Hello, I luv the z-pac. By the way, my mother is from Kountz, TX. Shot out to Beaumont and Ozan High School- one of my friends use to coach there."
04/11/2011: Barb from Chicago, Il replies: "Hi, I am wondering if this is similar at all to the Marshall Protocol and/or Inflammation Therapy?I have heard all Vit D supplements, foods and even sunlight are stopped while doing a protocol involving Th1. I understand you were told to take Vit D Erin? Why stop Vit D for one protocol but with yours it is allowed?
Thank you for information and continued success with your health."
04/15/2011: Infaith07 from Lexington, Ky replies: "Hello, can anyone tell me if Erin ever responded with the name of the person that was treating her? I would be very interested and very willing to make the drive to Nashville.Thank you."
04/19/2011: Erin from Nashville, Tn replies: "Hi everyone!The practitoner I see is Brian Foley, D. C. In Nashville. Dr. Brady Hurst will work with people long distance. http://www.truehealthdc.com/
Dr. Kharrazian also has a list of pracitioners on his site: www.thyroidbook.com
No, gluten avoidance is not the cure all, but a majority of Hashimoto's patients are gluten intolerant (many genetically so) and gluten is a major trigger for cytokine attacks in Hashimoto's. The thinking is that gluten molecules resemble TPO molecules and as the body goes after gluten, it also attacks TPO in the thyroid tissue.Most gluten intolerance doesn't cause gut symptoms (except in true Celiac)- instead, it causes joint, brain skin, heart or reproductive inflammation, so someone may have no clue they have it. Cyrex Labs has new saliva tests that test all 12 forms of gliadin, not just Alpha Gliadin (which is what other tests are based on) and they even have a test to find out which part of your body is being affected by gluten or if there is a cross-reaction going on (casein and coffee are two offenders, here.)
As far as the Marshall Protocol goes, it's only applicable when Hashimoto's is triggered by an infection, as far as I understand. Dr. Kharrazian talked about that in an interview and said that he tests his patients to see if they have the situation where they need to avoid D and hardly any of them do. D modulates both branches of the immune system and is very anti-inflammatory. Dr. Kharrazian has found that most of his autoimmune patients do best when their D3 levels are in the high end of normal.
Dr. Kharrazian's protocol is pretty specific: balance the overactive branch of the immune system, remove the triggers, heal the gut, balance the blood sugar and deal with hormone and neurotransmitter imbalances. Neurotransmitters can be very affected by thyroid hormone imbalances. It's very all-encompassing.
I'm still doing the protocol, now with the addition of dopamine support (Dr. Kharrazian makes a formula for it called Dopatone) and I'm feeling EVEN better! My elimination has improved a lot, my brain feels way more "on" and my libido has returned."
10/24/2011: Lisa from Chicago, Il replies: "I am 54, have had Hashimoto's for 8 years and treat it with synthroid. I would like to do more natural diet related treatment and eat only fish and eggs, no meat. The thing is an a health professional I am concerned when I read that there is a DR., actually a Chiropractor, in Nashville who has been recommended as a medical source. Treatment of Hashimoto's is I thought outside his scope of practice and he is not licensed to prescribe or treat a medical condition other than through nutrition and chiropractic measures. What I am saying is I know there are a lot of good people out there that have help to offer but if they don't have a medical degree, and a Chiropractor or other does not have a degree to practice Medicine, then I would make sure you are being followed by a good Endocrinologist as well."
11/28/2011: Mh from Toronto, On replies: "Lisa, the *last* thing a person following a natural protocol to treat a serious health ailment needs is an allopathic MD interfering! The biomedical system is self-legitimating (i.e. , they declare themselves to be authorities) and self-policing (they intentionally exclude natural healing practices, as they interfere with their almost-pathological need for control over people and their bodies). Many of us here do not recognize allopaths as legitimate health practitioners, or, at most, as people who hold to extremely limited and generally misguided beliefs about the body and healing."
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GENERAL FEEDBACK
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09/08/2011: Et from Sgp writes: "I had my blood tested for the 3rd time,
thyroglobulin antibody & TPO antibody (HIGH), T4, T3 & TSH (NORMAL)
does it mean I have hasimoto's?
I did a food allergy test too & I'm allergic most to flouride & apples, does it mean if I totally stop taking the two my blood test will be normal?"
Replies09/08/2011: Jen from Bozeman, Mt, Us replies: "It sounds to me like if you don't stop using flouride and eating apples you might possibly have thyroid issues in the very near future. It might be possible to stop both of them and get retested in a few months to see if the TPO is still high. Just remove the antagonist and you should be fine."
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04/27/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us writes: "I wanted to share my update since being diagnosed with Hashimoto's in late February of this year. I also had a 1cm nodule on the right side of my thyroid. I had already started the VCO on 02/24/2011 and in addition, my doctor told me to go on a gluten-free diet immediately and chart my symptoms/progress, etc...
I have been diligent about not cheating since going Gluten Free and I have been faithful in taking 1 TBS of VCO daily along with other supplements. I had a follow-up appt. On 04/19/2011 and my doctor could not find the nodule! I have also felt increasingly better since going GF. I noticed a huge difference after about a month of being GF and I am feeling better as time goes on. She will check my thyroid levels in June, including antibodies.
Currently I am not on any meds and she has said she hopes to keep me off of any medication as long as possible. I do believe it is the combination of the VCO and GF diet that have helped with the Hashimoto's. The supplements I am on, I have been taking for a long time. So I think at this point I am actually able to absorb the nutrients and am benefitting from those from a nutritional standpoint. I have also been told that people with Hashimoto's need to be very careful about supplementing with iodine since our issue is an immune system issue and not rooted in the thyroid per se. I am not saying nobody should take iodine but at this point I am not using it and and being cautious. My doctor said she did want to check my iodine levels as well but for now to continue on as I have been doing. Here is a link to Dr. Kharrazian's site: http://drknews.com/iodine-and-hashimotos/ author of the book titled: "Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal"
Any feedback or input is greatly appreciated!
~C."
Replies04/28/2011: Louise from Petaluma, Ca replies: "I have also been diagnosed with Hashimoto thyroiditis and am interested in starting vinager and coconut oil. I'm just not clear on how you take it. Thanks for any advice."
04/29/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "Hi Louise~I will share what I am doing for my Hashimoto's which includes virgin coconut oil. I do take 1 TBS Bragg's organic vinegar about once a week as well. Everything I am doing is under the supervision of my healthcare provider. She practices integrative medicine and that makes a huge difference in treatment. Most conventional/western doctors will put you on some type of synthetic thyroid hormone. Here is my current protocol:
1) Gluten free diet is a must and has made a huge difference : )
2) I take 1 TBS of virgin coconut oil daily - usually I just put it in my tea but some people prefer to put it on toast or in a smoothie, etc... I know some people take up to 3 TBS/day but I have found 1TBS to work great for me, no side effects.
3) sublingual B12 (methylcobalamin)- 1000mcg per day
4) 200mg CoQ10
5) 2000mg krill oil
6) pro-biotic -I use Jarrow brand but there are many good ones out there
7) D3 5000iu daily
8) daily raw multi-vitamin
9) adrenal cortex was just added to support my adrenals - I haven't started taking this yet.
10) L-Theanine for anxiety when needed but since going gluten free my anxiety is pretty much gone : )
I know this is probably more than you wanted to know. But I didn't want it to seem like I was just using VCO for my Hashi's.
Feel free to email me anytime - frog_513(at)yahoo(dot)com
Health and wellness to you~
~C."
04/30/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "Update on Hashimoto's protocol... I forgot to mention a few very important supplements in addition to the ones I already listed.1) 2000mg vitamin C in the form of ester C - this is essential for adrenal health. Most people with a thryoid condition also have some form of adrenal fatigue.
2) 12 mg Zinc 3- x's week ( the zinc I use also has vitamin C and vitamin A)
3) 400mg magnesium daily - I use a topical magnesium gel that is in a sea water solution. This has helped with heart palpitations, and I sleep much better. My healthcare provider also said that magnesium taurate is great but I didn't want to take another pill so she is fine with me using the gel. Magnesium is very important - if you want to learn more just google "symptoms of magnesium deficiency" or "benefits of magnesium" - very interesting reading. I wonder how many people would benefit from this supplement alone but doctors never even mention it!
God Bless~
~C."
08/18/2011: Marina from Lake Stevens, Washington, United States replies: "This Website has given me so much hope and a new beginning. I am a strong believer of one self healing itself with nature. I have been suffering from hashimoto's for about 6 years now and not one has made me feel hopeful. I went to one naturopath and neither she didn't show any knowledge. I have been shut down so many times. I have been reading and found conflicting suggestions until now. My endo is supposed to be the best one in town. Unfortunately, I don't need an endo. I will take control of this disease and Everyone here has given me this strength to do so. Thank you everyone. I will get that book today and definitely go gluten-free. I have 3 hideous visible inflammed nodules all over the front of my neck. I'm so glad I didn't go through the surgery when I almost did. The whole surgery made no sense to me at all. I didn't want to removed a gland which had to deficiency whatsoever. I can now finally start my journey to balancing my immune system and living a more comfortable life.God Bless, Marina"
[YEA] 10/03/2011: Frog513 from Swansboro, Nc, Us replies: "Update on original post from 2/24/11 about my progress with Hashimoto's. It has now been 7 months since diagnosis and being gluten-free. I had my last appointment on 08/31/2011 and my thyroid nodule is still gone, and my thyroid feels normal. The only issue I have is slight T4 to T3 conversion deficit that I am hoping will correct itself since I am on supplents with selenium and I still use VCO daily. I am feeling good on a daily basis. I never thought I could stick with being gluten-free but I feel so good and it is just my life now and I am fine with that. I felt so bad for so long that it is a small price to pay to wake up feeling rested and have energy all day. To play with my kids, clean my house, take a walk, all the things I couldn't do because I was so fatigued. I write this in hopes of offering encouragement. I am optimistic that in another 5 or 6 months to be at optimal wellness by losing 20lbs now that I can exercise again. For those that are suffering, please don't give up, just make one change at a time and take it one day at time.I would love to know how others are doing and feeling, what protocols you are on, etc...
Blessings~
~Carleen"
10/04/2011: Hashiaussie from Melbourne, Australia replies: "I too have been gluten free for some years now and note the difference for my Hashimotos. I have been on selenium and magnesium which help a lot and just recently VCO and ACV when I came across this site. I was on t4 and t3 to get me started some 7 years ago and now on t4 alone. I have read Dr Karazian's book - thethyroidbook - and it is very clear on what to do once you know whether you are T1 or T2 dominant. I am T1 so drink green tea all day, coffee once a day and avoid echinacea - all of which make me feel better. I have a glutathione cream and various supplements, zinc, vit D, Bs. Recently, Hope for Hashimotos has proven instructive. My current challenge is insulin resistance and high cholesterol so oats (I do not have the intolerence to oats gene) and 4 hourly protein. This is a hard disease demanding constant attention but if my family's predisposition to alzheimers is to be avoided then it has to be done. I also look at hashimotos411 on the social network, sciencedaily and Mary Shamon's site to research anything that comes up. I am definitely better since doing all this and have been exercising now for 2 years. Here in Melbourne informed medical practitioners are rare so you just have to do it yourself and it is possible but does take a lot of time and research skills cross-verifying the information. Best of luck to you."
01/04/2012: Lisa from Morehead City, Nc replies: "Hi Carleen... I have Hashimotos and live in Morehead city. Just wondering who your Dr. is? I have been to a few around here with no real help! Would love to find someone who knows this disease and can actually help!Thanks, Lisa"
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IODINE
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04/12/2011: Naomi from Machynlleth, Powys Uk writes: "I have Hashimoto's hpothyroid-diagnosed 1997. In UK we are advised not to use iodine or kelp. Now I have read on your posts that I am at high risk of breast cancer due to thyroid hormone replacement, and supplementing with iodine could help prevent this. I have fibrocystic breast tissue.
What should I do?"
Replies[YEA] 10/30/2011: Imcinnamon from Orlando, Fl replies: "I am an avid follower of Dr. Jonathan Wright, and Dr. Mercola. The information on Dr. Wrights site is excellent regarding hypothyroid and Iodine. Two Dr's said in all their yrs of practice, I have the worst case they have ever seen, and described it as "off the charts" I have went from an energetic thin person to overweight, exhausted, depressed and anxiety ridden person overnight. I feel so ill sometimes, I even thought maybe I had cancer. After reading Dr. Wrights site last week, I purchased iodine (colored) to test my iodine, [put the orange color on my inside arm, and it completely disappeared within an hour. I then ran to a health food store, and purchased Iodine, and literally overnight, I felt better than I have in years. In 2 days, the huge lump I had on the right side of my neck, is completely gone. Nothing short of amazing for me. I plan on adding Braggs apple cider vinegar next, and a few supplements that are purported to assist."
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12/20/2009: Diego from Albuquerque, Nm writes: "Iodine and Hashimoto's
Hi, I've been doing research on the effects of iodine on the thyroid and I seem to be going in circles. Some articles say iodine can shut down the thyroid if overused or cause an increase in antibodies. Yet, doesn't the thyroid need iodine to produce t3/t4? If Hashimoto's is more of an autoimmune disorder than hypothyroidism, is it wise to treat it the same way?
Also, I've been supplementing with potassium iodide for a few weeks and I've noticed memory/brain fog improvement. What are the advantages of using a mixture such as Lugol's (iodine and iodide) as opposed just iodide?"
12/22/2009: Joyce from Joelton, Tn replies: "Hello Diego from Albequerce,
You are right, the body does need iodine for the thyroid to function properly, and for a lot of other things including producing hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Just a couple of drops of Lugol's solution or SSKI daily is enough to take care of this, but when you take increased dosage of either for prolonged period you need to have your TSH checked every month or two and if your TSH goes up it tells you to lay off the iodine awhile and let the body return to normal.
For further information on SSKI (saturated solution of potassium iodide which is not much different from the Lugol's solution) type Potassium iodide in a search window and go through references to pull out Dr. Jonathan Wright's great article on SSKI, which tells you what to use it for and how much to use and approximately how long. You can print this out to keep for future reference. After my bout in the hospital last spring, I started taking 6 drops of SSKI daily for multiple purposes (loosen secretions in the head/lungs, get rid of small renal cysts, flush cholesterol out of blood vessels, and also locally for hemorrhoids) but had to drop off after about 2-3 months of this dosage because it did suppress my thyroid (when taking larger dose for prolonged period should have TSH checked every month or two).The doctor wanted to prescribe me a low dose thyroid supplement but I declined and told her I'd just stop the SSKI temporarily and increase my B complex vitamins (which the thyroid also requires for proper functioning) and have another TSH in a month or two. The next TSH was back to normal, which tells you that when you treat your body right it works with you and balances out.
Another thing you should remember with SSKI or Lugol's solution is that you should never take it with any water containing chlorine as this reacts with it and causes the potassium iodide to revert to iodine."
01/20/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Diego:Potassium iodide in general has the least side effects when taking the iodine supplements. A lugol's solution for most people, the use is limited to 1-2 drops. However in the case of a client I know, who has severe Parkinson's disease, they are far more sensitive to the lugol's solution, taken either internally or applied externally to the feet or applied to the throat area. Hence I have found another kind of iodine which produces even less side effects then Edgar Cayce's Nascent Iodine, which is the hydrogen iodide. I had to since this particular case is a hypothyroid. A lot of researchers really got stuck into what forms of iodine has the least side effects and allow the body to utilize them. For most people, I will use lugols' 1-2 drops in the evening with 500 to 1000 mg of vitamin C as it is more available. A potassium iodide will also do fine and has few side effects, but iodine in general will cause some people, at least initially of acne, being the most common problems. In practice, the use of iodine against Hashimoto does reduce them, but it's more likely that a person will not increase in energy. The effects of iodine is because it's a halogen, and a required mineral, it will also drive out cancer causing fluoride and bromine out of the body, even after months of use, it will continue to drive them out. The beneficial effects is it re activates the pineal gland, which is considered your organ's clock mechanism, such as a CPU clock in the computer, and allows for more regular sleep cycle. For example, the common benefits from increase energy is likely more regular sleep patterns which is most responsible for the increase in energy.
The reason why there are conflicting information is the body simply has trouble trying to get iodine and utilized them, as many forms of iodine produces side effect. So the Quick and Dirty rule is commonly used by conventional medicine such as giving out, thyroid medication instead of the use iodine. So you get a quick fix approach, which commercial scale is cost effective, for them, but won't cure your condition as you will end up taking thyroid medication for the rest of your life. So that doesn't make economic sense as a consumer. It just makes economic sense for the conventional medicine approach. As a result the best forms of iodine I have found is hydrogen iodide, nascent iodine, potassium iodide (or a similar form SSKI), are the ones with the least problem. A lugol's makes more economic sense for most people as they are more easy to find, but it's limited by the dose a person can take, which is usually 1-2 drops with vitamin C before sleep and this works too, at least for most people.
The other problem is how to get the body to really utilize the iodine, hence it's possible that lugol's solution can be taken with tyrosine, which helps the body utilize them, but magnesium seems to be also an important factor too, not just vitamin C so the person can take larger dose of iodine without problems. Therefore in event of a hypothyroidism, which in severe cases leads to goiter, it was well known that the use of iodine in larger doses was in fact the cure fo thyroid. This fact is known for over 150 years, but in today's meidicine the quick and dirty rule is slash and burn, which translates to remove the goiter, and take thyroid medication for the rest of your life. That doesn't make sense, so some may rationalize and just say it is shut down.
However, too much iodine might not be possible for the body to utilized them, since other supplements are needed so the body can handle them, such as taking tyrosine amino acid along with the iodine. It would be a boon to actually allow the body to quickly utilize the iodine if other supplements are also taken so it can be cured faster. So if a simple case for most people I would modify taking a bit larger drops of Lugol's solution to say 4-5 drops every night, with vitamin C 1000 mg, and 500 mg of tyrosine supplements. Or a more conservative dose, if someone still have problems is just to limit to 1-2 drops again. Another indirect way is to take the tyrosine supplements 500 mg with vitamin C in the morning followed by a 10 drops in 1/2 glass of water with lugol's solution as just a mouthwash. That should also reduce some of the problems. SO the cause of hypothyroidism and goiter has been the lack of iodine, how we can take them without problems is the real issue. In fact iodine can cured malaria as same as MMS, but both has problems with the side effects and some can handle them, some cannot. It's all about finding the remedies that won't cause problems for a great majority of people, not a small minority of people. In general for the questions of Lugols' versus the potassium iodide, the answer is simply that potassium iodide produces less side effects then the Lugol's solution, such as light headedness is the ones I noticed, but I take in much larger dose, such as 10 drops to test for their side effects. I won't get these problems at 1-2 drops. As for potassium iodide in general, there's no lightheadness problem if the dose are reasonable and keeping it at 10 mg dose or below. It's harder to do a 10 mg dose on Lugol's. In general, Lugols' for most people are easier to obtain then potassium iodide, so if it's hard to get, people will just get Lugol's and get around the problem by taking them at night and take the vitamin C to reduce the side effects of lightheadedness. It's taken during the night because lugol's solution does make you sleepy. Hence it's one of my remedies to help sleep also and allows people for regular sleep patterns.
Ted"
[NAY] 11/10/2010: Pat from Santa Monica, Ca replies: "I do not take iodine. Just heard too often that it isn't good for people with Hashi's"
02/10/2011: Dallas from Amesbury, Ma, Usa replies: "I have tried iodine/iodide and I have Hashi's hyPOthyroidism. At first, iodine/ide makes me more tired even if I take Vitamin C with it. Then, after a week or so I get more energetic and feel better. Except for one thing. Along with the Hashi's, I also have the thyroid eye disease (ted) that usually comes with Grave's hyPERthyroidism. Iodine seems to make the double vision of the ted much worse and I can't live with the pain behind my eyes or the sensitivity to light when I paint myself with iodine. This doesn't make sense as I am normally very iodine deficient and I know we need iodine. Go figger! Anybody ever dealt with this?"
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KOMBUCHA TEA
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03/22/2011: Melbee9999 from Fort Lauderdale, F writes: "I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in Jan this year. I felt so tired in the morning, couldnt figure out what was wrong. All the classic symptoms. Saw the endo, he put me on levathyroxine 100mcg daily. After 2 weeks I felt 100% better, but I do not want to stay on this med. I was told that Kombucha tea is a cure for Hasi's. I am going to try the gluten free diet along with the kombucha tea. I can not loose weight. Maybe this will help. Let me know what you all think. Bless you!! Mel"
Replies08/13/2011: Kristina from Wichita, Ks replies: "Are you still taking the tea? Did it help?"
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04/28/2010: Rachel from Paris, France writes: "Hi, I'm suffering from hashimotos and despite all the tests and treatments, I can get no relief from my symptoms, they are just getting worse. I read that Yersinia enterocolitica could be a cause and it can be treated by kombucha tea. Is this correct and could you suggest other remedies. Thank you so much"
Replies04/29/2010: T from Maryland, Usa replies: "I too have Hashi's, and while I've been able to make some improvements over the past 2 years with supplements, diet clean-up, etc. (I don't take any meds; they don't help me), I had still not gotten to a workable enough level of wellness. After coming across some intriguing info recently linking gluten and autoimmune disorders, I went gluten-free on April 10. I have felt no drastic changes in this brief time, but realized today that I have been increasingly active and more motivated. Focus is improving and I am making plans and getting more done. I am VERY diligent about keeping away from gluten. You absolutely cannot "cheat" on this, not by one crumb, and you must be very careful about hidden sources of gluten. I'm on a whole new learning curve - but what's new, that's all I've been on since taking my health into my own hands! Honestly, I usually enjoy it :-)
There's far too much information on the gluten/autoimmune connection for me to spell out in a post here, so I'll just say look for the book by Dr. Datis Kharrazian ("Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms...") - this book is incredible. It goes well beyond thyroid issues and into many related things, some that you might never have realized. He backs it all up with research. One of the things he warns about is that Hashi's patients should never ingest gluten. I've since come across much more on this front and I strongly feel this is solid information. You do not have to be celiac or have celiac-type symptoms to have a gluten problem. In fact, most people never know they do, but the damage is silently being done.
Here is an interesting article, with citations, that addresses the problems with gluten and the WGA in wheat:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/content/opening-pandoras-bread-box-critical-role-wheat-lectin-human-disease
I urge ANYONE with health problems to consider the possible role these may be playing:
http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html
Drastic? Yes, especially if you're not the cooking-from-scratch kind in the first place. But if you want your life and health back, sometimes that calls for serious, across-the-board change. I just polished off a truly delicious gluten-free chocolate chip cookie I baked, so it's definitely not all THAT bad ;-)"
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[YEA] 03/22/2008: Susan from Seattle, WA writes: "re: Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroiditis/hypothyroidism. I have had Hashimoto's hypothyroidism for many years and have been under treatment by my naturopathic physician. Due to symptoms of hyperthyroidism, my doctor performed some tests and this time had no thyroid antibodies! This means that I no longer have Hashimoto's hypothyroidis! The doctor explained that the bacteria Yersinia enterolitica has been linked to the cause of Hashimoto's - apparently it has a similar protein coat to thyroid cells which provokes the immune response. I had not been treated with antibiotics for this. The only thing I have been doing differently is to drink Kombucha tea. I just read on your site that Yersinia enterolitica is sensitive to Kombucha, so it seems logical that the Kombucha was my cure. I drink about 8 ounces per day."
RepliesEC: More about http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/kombucha_tea.html
08/29/2009: Alimaacd from New Fairfield, Ct replies: "My question is to Susan from Seattle, What treatment if any were you using to treat your Hashimoto's? I have read on a Hypothyroid forum that antibodies will lessen as hashimoto's worsen which it will if not treated with thyroid meds (preferably Natural Dessicated thyroid). I am curious to know if you suffer any symptoms of hypothyroidism? I have heard of the many benefits of Kombucha tea but very much want to know if it cured your hypothyroidism or if you are just assuming so because you are not showing antibodies. In a nutshell are you symptom free since taking this and nothing else?"
[NAY] 05/12/2010: Lisa from Highland, Il replies: "I have just been diagnosed with Hashimoto's and was looking up giving up gluten. I have been drinking homemade kombucha for about three years now. Although I think it's a great immune booster and I really like it, I guess this proves that it's not a cure for everybody. I still hypothyroidism and have had it for around 7 years."
05/18/2010: Pinkdiamondz from Chilton, Wi replies: "I also came to the conclusion that Kombucha tea could be the answer. I only just received my diagnosis of Hashimoto's disesase. The doctors in my area are not very vigilant about validating their patients' concerns. Therefore, I've been forced to take it upon myself to find a cure for my condition, rather than just be ill for the rest of my life and mask the symptoms with medication. I'll be trying the Kombucha tea cure because I too read about the yersinia bacteria as well as TH1 antibodies."
05/18/2010: T from Maryland, Usa replies: "Once again I'm going to put in a recommendation to read Dr. Datis Kharrazian's book (I only *wish* I was getting kickbacks for plugging it ;-)). I have read a LOT since I became ill with Hashi's and all the related things. That book is truly the one thing that has most resounded with me.
I myself was intrigued when I originally read about the yersinia link, but the fact is that not all Hashi's patients have yersinia. Pinkdiamondz mentions TH1; there is also TH2, and if you don't do right by your own dominant type (and you cannot simply assume which type you are), you can make things worse. This is all explained in the above-mentioned book.
Lisa in IL, I believe you are on the right track looking into going gluten-free. I did just that one recently. I have now read such damning evidence against gluten and WGA that I suspect we are going to find they are linked to MANY health issues.
Here is one excellent article on gluten and WGA (with citations) for those interested:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/content/opening-pandoras-bread-box-critical-role-wheat-lectin-human-disease"
10/31/2010: Gipapltn from Appleton, Wi replies: "Dear PinkDiamondz,
I too live in Wisconsin and the doctors here have NO CLUE about Hashi's. I read the book everyone has mentioned, and I knew I had it. My female dr in appleton said that "Hashimoto's is so rare, there is virtually no chance of you having it. " She basically said its all in my head, and that I am "anxious". I persisted, and she said fine, if it will make you stop worrying, I will feel better too, so go to the endocrinologist. After the endocrinologist asked me a few questions, I asked him "with all of these symptoms, is it possible that I might have hashimotos?" He said "Might? There is no doubt you have hasimotos! Its obvious! " Now he put that in my medical record on the computer, but my dr not wanting to admit I was right, left my diagnosis as "Primary Hypothyroidism". I hate the doctors here. They scare the hell out of me. I want to move back to Canada, no offence. Dr. Michael Johnson, a chiropractor in Neenah, WI, deals with hashimotos and give you oxygen therapy, 12 different blood tests, and a bunch of other stuff about your diet, and no gluten. 100% gluten free. But I can't get his help because he only takes credit or cash, and it costs $9,000 and I am on UI. I can't get well because no one will help me. I'm poor and alone. All my relatives are in Nova Scotia. PinkDiamondz, please contact me so we can compare notes by email or phone. I need help desperately. I am getting sicker.
Gipnfdl@hotmail.com"
12/01/2010: Pinkdiamondz from Chilton, Wi replies: "I'm going to look up some more info on that doctor, Michael Johnson. He sounds great! "
09/22/2011: Mizmiriam from Asheville, Nc replies: "Hello Susan from Seattle - I am so excited to read your post! I am writing a book about the stories of people who have cured Hashimoto's disease and would love to interview you for the book. Could you please be in touch? If anyone else out there has cured themselves, please be in touch as well. We are all on this site to help each other. Thank you so much, Miriam"
12/25/2011: Cindy from Dudley, Ma replies: "I was just wondering if you have written your book yet. I have Hashimoto's and I'm trying to find a way to get off meds and improve my immune system."
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REMEDIES NEEDED
12/20/2011: Cmsharp from Kodak, Tn writes: "I have been diagnosed with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. I am now pregnant and am on Armour Thyroid. How safe is it to drink Kumbachi Tea during pregnancy? I have horrible symptoms and will try anything."
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11/13/2011: Jeremiah from Saratoga, California Usa writes: "Hi, just been reading the comments on hashi's which I have been diagnosed with 2 years ago. It seems as I'm taking levothroid around 125, my TSH goes up and down, can't get it down to normal range. I've been taking vitamins in all shapes and sizes. I tried krill oil, Co Q10, multis, fish oil, and flax, and vit C. It seems I might have had a flareup with krill and/or a lactoferrin/probiotic blend I was taking. Does krill or fish oil have iodine? I've heard don't take iodine. Taking a RAW brand multis, the RAW B helps with energy as does some brewers yeast I take.
-There is a level of uncertainty of what to take or do, I'm willing to try anything. Cant say MD docs don't care, but unless they've had it, they can't really relate to the symptoms. Does anyone know a good MD out here who treats this combining naturopath medicine or a more holistic approach?"
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08/28/2011: Shivani from Mumbai, Maharastra, India writes: "Hi, My name is shivani. I am 32 years old. I have hypo-thyroid for the last 12years. I started off with Eltroxin 50mcg. Then I did not follow up with my doctor. That was my mistake. In 2009 I shifted to Thyronorm 75mcg after consulting my doctor. Then in April 2011 the doctor asked me to further increase my dosage to 88mcg after looking at my TSH levels. In July 2011 I started losing a lot of weight my homeopath told me to het my free t3, free t4, tsh and anti globulin checked. My free t3 was 2.73, my free t4 was 1.75 , tsh was 2.43, tpo was 2.31 and thyroglobulin antibody (atg) was 59.62. My ESR was 16. This was on 27th july 2011. My homeopath said I have Hashimoto's Thyroidism. As I was showing signs of weight loss and my reports. So he asked me to reduce my dosage to back to thyronorm 75mcg. I consulted another endocrinologist he said I dont have hashimoto's and I should continue with thyronorm 88mcg.
I reduced my dosage to 75mcg. I have been experiencing hair loss. I have been having eye trouble. Dryness in my left eye. So I went to an opthamologist. He said to get my thyroid checked. On 27th August I got my thyroid checked again , my total t3 is 64.30, my total t4 is 7.20 and my tsh is 3.57. The opthamologist said the count has increased a lot considering I have reduced my dosage for only a month.
Please help. I want to cure my Hashimoto's Thyroidism."
Replies08/31/2011: Marlane from Geelong, Victoria, Australia replies: "Shivani - Go to the iThyroid website for all the information you need for Hashimoto's disease. It is wonderful, truly the answer to our prayers.cheers Marlane"
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03/29/2011: Joany from Talent, Oregon, Us writes: "I have autoimmune disease with thyroid antibiodies showing 900 on my blood test and t4 and t3 very low. I want to normalize all the numbers, if possible with natural remedies. I also see very little information about bioidentical t3 and t4 for my condition. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you"
Replies04/21/2011: Erin from Nashville, Tn replies: "I've had great success using the autoimmune balancing protocols (as well as diet changes) outlined in Datis Kharrazian's Thyroid book (see my post on eliminating gluten above)."
05/14/2011: Jenny from Cheyenne, Wy replies: "
This guy makes total sense, he's done a ton of research. I just found out I have Hashi's so am seeking help.
08/19/2011: Carol from Santa Fe, Nm Usa replies: "Jenny... Thanks a MILLION for the link to DR. Haskell and Hope for Hashimoto's...Altho I have not watched all of his (very comprehensive) videos yet... I am very impressed by his research.
I have only in the past 2 mos come to focus on HT as the cause of my inability to lose weight (and wt gain at age 7)... And I've just had serum tests done this week... my mom had Hashi's so there's a good chance I have it...
I've been researching like crazy to get to the root cause of Hashimoto's and to try and understand 1) how it's caused (which no one really talks about) and 2) best way to treat it....
Dr. Haskell has taken the same approach and has done 6 yrs of exhaustive research to arrive at this treatment protocols.
I am very impressed and will probably consult with him.
Thanks again."
08/21/2011: Jc from Boston, Ma replies: "I too find Dr. Haskell's approch very sensible.I recommend everyone to see his You tube video series. It takes some time to go through it but it is full of information.
I also like the Iodine approach of Browstein and Abrhams but they even admitt there can be some side effects for those with hashi. There is some risk of having a flair up of you thyroid. Not sure how they manage this. Or do they even manage it. ??? Would be nice if someone who knows chimes in.
I have read Dr. K and I like much of his advice. However, with the exception of one person on this board I have never heard of anyone who had lasting results. Keep in mind, he does not cure Hashi, he manages the immune system and other issues that may effect the thyroid gland. His approach is relatively complicated. Most people I have spoken or communicated with stopped the treatment after running out of money or they felt it was not going well and their practioner was not skilled enough to navigate through the difficulties.
I know there are some DC's using the Standard Process Rehmania Complex to lower antibodies. This approach may go against Dr. K's immune modulation theory. I have never herd of anyone having long term success with this approach either.
It would be great if others with success weigh in."
01/14/2012: Mary from Bradenton, Florida replies: "To Jc from Boston who asked about the iodine protocol of Brownstein.This product is Iodoral. Unfortunately, natural health has a blind love affair with iodine in the treatment of thyroid issues. Modern day thyroid problems are about TOXINS, not lack of iodine, excuse my shouting. I did an Iodoral protocol in the summer of 2007. I lost my looks on Iodoral and got that dull thyroid expression I never had before. I don't know what exactly it affected to cause that. I got very weak and in some ways never recovered despite my efforts at cleansing etc. My peroxidase Ab went from 650 to 1500 initially, then settled at 1325. The only prescription I take, is 25 mcg of levothyroxine, or my weight balloons. I will get off it entirely when I have figured it all out. (Following the GAPS diet I recently discovered and started, my peroxidase went down to 506, and I had to half the 25 mcg Levoxyl I normally take b/c my tsh went to .66 instead of .88, and I could feel it was too much now. Get the tsh under 1 according to Dr. Stephen Langer (Solved, the Riddle of Illness about thyroid disorders). He is an MD and I did phone consults with him when my health crashed and I was diagnosed in 2006, but he was right about feeling best with the tsh under 1, and about avoiding iodine like the plague, except for a "therapeutic" dose. I wish I had listened to him, but I was so anxious to substitute the dread thyroid medicine with something "natural" - lol, iodoral is inorganic, that I mulled it over for months, ignoring my intuition. So, who wants to be on a prescription OR on iodoral for the rest of their lives. We want to be well and not dependent on either. Dr Langer told me that in his long experience with patients, it "irritated" the gland; I didn't know what he meant by that, but I found out. I read a patient on the internet who said basically the same thing I am, and that Brownstein used to warn against iodine for autoimmune, but then stopped. I had read his literature over and over, and if I had seen any warning, I wouldn't have taken it - that's what I was looking for.
Sorry to talk so much, but if I can warn one person away from iodine it will be worth it. Btw, every natural practitioner I have gone to has urged me to take iodine. I tried bits of even the whole food kind (Standard Process), with bad results. It isn't about iodine, generally speaking."
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RHODIOLA
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[YEA] 03/16/2009: Paola from Lugano, Ticino/Switzerland writes: "Rhodiola for Hashimoto Disease: Thyroid:
I have been taking Russian-Rhodiola for a week now, 300g in the morning. I'll see my Doctor tomorrow, as I am also under pills for my thyroid, and I would like to replace thyroid chemical pills (Levothyroxine sodium - thyroid hormones) with rhodiola's cure, let's see what he's going to tell me. I feel definitely better, from the first day. I used to be chronically tired, now not anymore."
EC: Read more about Rhodiola here.
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SELENIUM
11/10/2008: Autumn from L.V, U.S. writes: "I just found out that I have Hashimotos. I read an article about selenium being helpful. Just started taking it.Will give an update in a few months."
Replies01/30/2009: Rich from Boca Raton, FL replies: "The vitamins that usually go along with iodine are Selenium, Sulfur, Magnesium, B6(which helps the body story more Magnesium), and Niacin.The Guy Abraham and Brownstein research on Iodine looks pretty good. Hyperthyroid is sometimes associated with high iodine intake. Iodine kills fungus, so Bacterial infections makes some sense for this disease. Perhaps extra vitamin C (Sodium Ascorbate) would come in handy.
Anyways, Magnesium Citrate, which Ted often recommends for a leaky guy, seems to cure "Yersinia enterocolitica", if Yersinia is the cause.
Could Antibiotics Cure Your Hashimoto's Disease
Foodborne Bacteria May Be a Cause of Hashimoto's Disease
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/yersinia.htm
"In this research, investigators studied the prevalence of antibodies to Yersinia enterocolitica in patients with diagnosed Hashimoto's thyroiditis. What the researchers found was the the prevalence of antibodies to yersinia --evidence of exposure -- was 14 times higher in people with Hashimoto's thyroiditis than in the control groups."http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/63/12/4837.pdf
Y. enterocolitica strains were cured of the virulence plasmid by
streaking them on Luria-Bertani agar plates containing 20 mM MgCl2 and 20
mM NaC2O4 and incubating the plates overnight at 378C (11).Yersinia enterocolitica induces apoptosis in macrophages by a process requiring functional type III secretion and translocation mechanisms and involving YopP, presumably acting as an effector%u2009protein
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/23/12638.abstract "
11/10/2010: Pat from Santa Monica, Ca replies: "I keep a bag of raw Brasil nuts in the frig and snack on 3 - 4 a day. That quantity is supposed to give you the amount of selenium you need which means I get extra because there is selenium in my multi. RAW is the important point here."
09/17/2011: Ds from Us, Usa replies: "I was just looking at the "Selenium Cures" page on this site, as well as researching it in general. They're saying that more than 2 brazil nuts per day is dangerous. That you can get your "recommended" amount of selenium from just 2, and some are saying just one. One source was also saying that the danger is more than just too much selenium, but that this nut has some type of poison(s), and so advising not to eat more than 2 per day.I purchased a bag of brazil nuts recently, and at first was just eating 2 (I'd remembered reading previously that this was a good amount to eat), but then seemed to be craving them, so I let myself eat 6. And I've been doing that for the last several days. I was feeling a little sick a couple of times, but that may be because of the high fat. That's more fat than I usually eat (liver issues). Also, I wasn't even considering that I might be getting too much selenium--and not taking into account that I'm also taking several different supplements (and foods) that contain selenium.
So I'm pulling back on the brazil nuts. No more than 2 from now on and will make a note of how much I'm getting from food/supps.
Very appreciative of the information on this site."
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SHEN LU
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[YEA] 05/22/2007: marion from Paris, France writes: "re: hashimoto disease: in France we just take thyrosine hormons... but I saw 2 interesting articles, one saying they have a good cure in China, called "shen lu", and another, for which I send you the reference :'http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/yersinia.htm "
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WATER, SUPPLEMENTS
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[YEA] 01/23/2010: Trea from Shirley, New York writes: "I have Hashimoto's disease and a golf ball sized goiter on my neck on the right side of my thyroid. I had an appointment with my endocrinologist two weeks ago. Aside from sending me for a blood test and another sonogram he also said he wants me to have a biopsy. That was when I decided to try some alternatives. I am not allowing them to take out my thyroid and be on medication for the rest of my life when the medication has not helped at all. I found this site and Dr.Batmangheldj's site.
I knew I was dehydrated so I started increasing my water intake to 96 ounces a day. I weigh 180 lbs and Dr. Batmangheldj recommends drinking half of your body weight in water each day. I also started taking extra potassium, magnesium and I take my multi vitamin 3 times a day instead of once because it has iodine in it and the water causes flushing out of your system. The goiter went from golfball size to half of that in less than a week just from the water and increase in supplements. I also do not feel as many bumps as I had on my goiter as I had been feeling when I lay back and stretch my throat.
Also my edema is much better. My hands and face are less swollen and my skin is no longer sticking over my socks a quarter of an inch which they had been for a long time. This past week I have started with the apple cider vinegar and baking soda (2 tbsp ACV and 1/8 tsp of baking soda) twice a day and the goiter has gone down even more. At 52 I thought I was getting arthritis but I guess it was dehydration because almost all aches and pains are gone now.
I live in New York, we have chlorine and fluoride in the water so I am getting a shower filter and the Zero water pitcher (it's supposed to remove fluoride from the water) and maybe my thyroid will improve even more. I will also be trying the Borax to rid my system of fluoride. I'm so glad I found this site. I was feeling kind of hopeless after I left the endos office."
01/24/2010: Trea from Shirley, New York, Usa replies: "Question about Borax and Oil PullingI am not sure where this question should be posted. I have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis and I have made great progress in the size of my goiter in the last 2 weeks due to drinking more water and using the ACV and Baking Soda to start detoxing my body. I drink 96 ounces of water a day, I take my multi vitamin which has 150mcg of iodine in it 3x a day now instead of once to make up for loss due to more water, I take extra calcium, magnesium, D and potassium also along with a B complex. I'm using 2TBSP of ACV with 12 oz of water twice a day for one week so far. I will be doing the ACV and water for one more week.
I live in New York and I believe that my thyroid problem could also be from fluoride and chlorine in my water. Is it safe to do the Borax detox and oil pulling at the same time? I have to go for a thyroid sonogram in 2 weeks, and even though my goiter is one quarter of the size it was 2 weeks ago thanks to the info on this site, I want it to be even more improved by then.
My endo wants to do a biopsy and possibly remove my thyroid and I want to avoid that at all costs. If it is not safe to do both at the same time which would be most beneficial to do first? I'd appreciate any help I could get.Thank you, Trea"
08/24/2010: Deidre from Sylva, Nc replies: "Trea, Just wondering if your goiter disappeared? I have a daughter, seventeen, who has similar system--hashimoto's disease and huge goiter on left side. Last visit to endo was two weeks ago. Her recommendation was removal of the thyroid. I absolutely refused. Endo has done nothing by prescribed T4, which has been ineffective in treating the goiter. She refuses to prescribe Armour and has said nothing about diet changes or supplements. Researched. Now have daughter on a gluten free, soy free, sugar free diet and am adding a multivitamin to her daily routine. Her vitamin had iodine in it, which worries me as their is some conflicting information regarding it. The diet is hard on my daughter, and I'm worried she's not completely sticking to it. Need some positive advice from someone to show her that goiter can go away. Endo has told her it will always be there. Looking for a new endo. Hope to hear from you."
08/25/2010: Eve K from Houston, Tx, Usa replies: "I was diagnosed with mild hypothyroidism and positive for antibodies--though my endo never called it Hashimoto's. I spent a year on thyroid medication which did lower the antibody levels and also the TSH, but did not do anything to alleviate my symptoms (weight gain, lack of libido, fatigue, etc. ). I did not have a goiter. After getting fed up that I was not actually feeling any better, I eliminated as many sources of fluoride and chlorine as possible: no fluoride dental care products or treatments, drink & cook with only distilled or non-flouoridated water, installed a shower filter (claims to remove chlorine and also some fluoride), and so forth. There are many books and resources on the web that can be researched. I also followed Ted's borax protocol briefly, helps to remove fluoride from the body. There are other sites that recommend additional ways to remove fluoride--drinking fresh beet juice, eating more fresh beets, eating lots of fresh cilantro, the list is endless. I followed the suggestions that did not seem too outlandish. Finally and most importantly, I disregarded the "avoid iodine" advice that comes with most thyroid treatments. I bought the pill form (12. 5 mg) of the iodine/iodide. There are many references it to on this website--there is also a liquid form called Lugol's that I found hard to find. The pills are easy to find on the internet and not terribly expensive. I took 4 a day to start (2 in am, 2 in pm) because I am heavily endowed in the bust area and this is supposed to indicated a greater need for supplement. I am no longer on thyroid medication, my TSH is around 1 (the target of the endo), I have zero antibodies and I have more energy, better sexual energy, and am no longer gaining weight. I am still struggling to lose but I was able to take off 10 pounds relatively quickly as I began to feel better, something that was impossible before. This is just my personal experience, but in addition to finding a new endo (by the way, a gyn may also be willing to prescribe Armour), I would look at the fluoride and iodine connections. I still avoid soy for a number of reasons, and it will certainly not hurt for your daughter to eat a clean, natural diet and avoid potential allergens if they are suspected. There are also a number of diets on the net that describe how to eliminate and challenge potential allergens such as wheat, corn, dairy, etc. Good luck!"
12/01/2011: Kavita from Somerset, Nj replies: "This post is addressed to Eve K fron Houston Tx. Are you still doing okay..? The TSH=1 and 0 antibodies?Please let me know."
01/05/2012: Susan from Denver, Colorado replies: "Has anyone heard or tried juicing (veggie/fruit) to help hashimotos? I have hashimotos and no insurance."
01/16/2012: Pema from Suffolk, England replies: "Hi there - I may possibly have Hashimoto's and the question in my mind the most for everyone in this forum is about the psychological-emotional aspects of autoimmune disorders such as Hashimoto's. How many of you have any level of low self-esteem or at least grew up feeling unworthy or unappreciated? This is definitely the case for me and I would love to know how many others feel any kind of psychological-emotional cause? Many thanks and I really appreciate everything I have read so far on this forum. Best, Pema (England)"
01/17/2012: Timh from Louisville, Usa replies: "Pema, not only an emotional or psychological aspect involved in a particular illness; but the social and even subconscious attitude we are conditioned with during childhood and beyond. Firstly, in an competitive socioeconomic environment, we know how ruthless the fight for money can be. In many people there are fully developed attitudes of defeatism operative. When I was 24 yrs and learned of my dear Aunt's terminal cancer diagnoses, I automatically assumed an attitude of defeat, and that left me with horrific regrets I can never rid of. Fast forward a few yrs and learned of my Mother's terminal cancer diagnosis, I assumed an attitude of a warrior.So, if you are a person of worth and goodly character, you are cheating yourself by not becoming a warrior, and not only for yourself; think of your loved one's, especially children, who are watching your every move and some who even worship you. How you can let others down by letting yourself down. Maybe this is what you experienced as a child.
I have recently had a thyroid disorder that brought crippling fatigue and depression, but am better now (and not without a fight). Take Kelp and or Potassium Iodide, and L-Tyrosine, and Raw Thyroid Glandular. Many good reports of Low Dose Naltrexone for autoimmunity. And of course any number of different detox methods to rid the body of "the foreigners".
Hope this helps and good luck."
01/17/2012: Francisca from Zug, Switzerland replies: "Hi Pema, I think that most of us have low self esteem at one time or another. I am struggling a bit with it right now because I always looked amazingly young and all of a sudden I found out that I was getting older. Maybe I thought that it would happen to everyone but me?On another level, if you have Hashimoto's maybe you should consider reading a book I am reading at the moment about Iodine use by Dr. David Brownstein or his other book (which I haven't read) Overcoming Thyroid Disorders! I find that he gives a lot of very interesting information even if I don't think that I have thyroid problems! I do think that I am iodine deficient and I am looking into finding Lugols here in Europe, not an easy task! Someone gave me a tip on this site once but I have to confess that I forgot what it was. I think that there is some place you find it in the UK or else you can find it through Amazon.co.uk."
01/17/2012: Jen from Bozeman, Mt, Us replies: "Hi Pema, I agree that most people feel low self esteem at some point or another. I believe it has mostly to do with our society and all of the images we see daily on TV and magazines. 100 years ago you did not get exposed to thousands of beautiful people on a daily basis. There may have been a few gorgeous people in your town but you probably only saw them occasionally. Now we are constantly seeing beauty and we are comparing ourselves to it which is completely unrealistic. I am just as guilty as anyone else. The unworthiness is also associated with the fact that these beautiful people are burried in wealth and attention while we are (usually) not.On a different note. There is also an association between autoimmune diseases and some sort of traumatic event that may have happened to a person which caused a sort of self blame. In response to this self blame the body begins attacking itself. For myself I have found this to be a possibility. I have a form of thyroid disease called Graves Disease. I did have an event happen in my life right around puberty which is most likely when my disease started. I blamed myself for the event and until recently you could say I may have hated myself for it. I have also read that thyroid disease in particular are associated with a feeling of not being heard or not speaking out. As it is located right where your vocal cords are it can actually cause laryngitis. I have found this to also be true in my case. I used to be very quiet and very rarely spoke my feelings or opinions in most situations. I did find my voice in writing though and that may be part of the reason for my healing:)
No matter what though you are not alone as far as low self esteem goes. I do not have hashi's but there is still this feeling of not being worthy of love and attention. I fight it on a daily basis. I try to stay away from TV and magazines to help the issue but I am still exposed on the internet and while standing in line at the grocery store. I hope that someday we will stop thinking beauty is so important but I also pray for peace on earth and so far it's not looking likely."
01/18/2012: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Francisca there are some UK ebayers who sell it too."
01/18/2012: Sally from Chennai, India replies: "Dear Jen from Bozeman,You've expressed several thoughts that were bothering me about the real cause of illnesses and the state of the world in general, so beautifully. Thank you. There are quite a few people who are opting out of the unhealthy, degrading glorification culture, be it of youth, beauty or ostentation. We can only take heart from them and go ahead in our own search for meaning and health."
01/18/2012: Francisca from Zug, Zug, Switzerland replies: "Thanks Maria, but I have to confess that I have never bought anything from e-bay. The thought of having to bid.... I have no idea how it works! I am also at a loss as to which Lugols to buy. Amazon sells 3%, 7% and 15%."
01/18/2012: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Hi Francisca, They also have buy it now prices it's not all bidding, mind you I don't know how to use amazon. I know what you mean about the strength, the choice for me was easy as where I found it (the internet as it's not available locally) they only sell the 2%. I would have liked the 5% as that is what is being used in the studies so when I read how many drops I would not have to think about converting it. It took me a long time to pluck up the courage to start using it as I was taught it was poisonous and decades ago dairy farmers were banned from using it to clean their equipment as it could get into the milk.Funny thing is, I also knew it was safe to use in hospitals on patients. We were never taught about the different types of iodine although we did know that one brand stung on a wound and another brand did not. Never knew they were different types which now sounds odd. The first I heard of Lugol's iodine was here on EC (thanks again EC). We are sooooo glad that I finally got the courage to try it."
01/19/2012: Francisca from Zug, Switzerland replies: "Oh Maria, nice to hear that I am not the only one once in a while struggling with the Internet.... Usually I am quite good but Ebay I have to say has always been a mystery to me! Amazon is very easy, I use it to order loads of books, often very inexpensively (I use other companies as well like Abebooks), ordered my hula-hoop from them.... You just look for whatever you need, compare the prices from the different sellers, choose whether you want new or used (I often order used books as they are mostly almost new or even new), fill in your bank details and address and that's all! I even send gifts to other people by filling in their delivery address!I had never heard of Lugol's either as it is almost banned here in Europe. My husband is going to a natural doctor today and as I am going with him I will ask her whether one can get Lugol's here in Switzerland (in the pharmacies you can't, not in the health food shops! ). If she knows where to buy it I will wait till I can make an appointment, if not I will order online and have it sent to my sister-in-law in the UK, then I don't pay postage! Like you I only knew about iodine to us on wounds. If you are interested in learning more about the subject I suggest you read one of the book on it! Great information....."
01/19/2012: Francisca from Zug, Switzerland replies: "PS - Maria, be aware that a lot of stuff that has been forbidden over the year it is more out of interest or profits than about danger for health! What is really dangerous never seems to be forbidden! In my book I read that they used to add iodine to the bread as a dough conditioner, then it was forbidden and bromide was introduced instead which is very toxic. So there you go...."
01/20/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Francisca, pardon my forwardness but I would recommend not jumping over a cliff for the Lugols as there are other brands arguably as effective. I wasn't making any progress with Kelp so I chose "Life-Flow Liquid Iodine Plus" with very good results. I even experienced an acute detox reaction (surprisingly not immediately as I had expected) after aprox. 2 mo of use."
01/20/2012: Francisca from Zug, Switzerland replies: "Thanks for the advice Timh, I will look into it! As other than Kelp iodine doesn't seem to be sold here in Europe there is very little people like me know about it! I also found Nascent Iodine which seems to be more easily absorved but it is also more expensive! I will have to order tomorrow if I want to pick it up at my sister-in-law's house when we are there in February! I also felt no difference at all with kelp and I read today that kelp can contain arsenic!"
01/21/2012: Lisa from Rabat, Morocco replies: "Francisca, I belong to a yahoo group about iodine that includes many members from Europe. Recently there was a discussion about purchasing iodine in Europe and someone responded that they purchase Lugols/Iodoral from seeknatural. Co. Uk. You may want to look into it further to see if they will ship to you. I believe kelp is not a recommended source because it is usually contaminated and it also does not provide very much iodine. I hope this website will help you find what you need."
01/21/2012: Tina from Princeton, New Jersey, Usa replies: "Hi Francisca, Lugol's iodine is also available through a UK based company, Regenerative Nutrition. They ship all over the world. I have bought other supplements, oils, and powders from them and am very happy with their quality and customer service. Look them up on Google. They offer a lot of information on the supplements they sell as well. One more thing I like about them, the price is inclusive of shipping charges. Hope this is helpful."
01/22/2012: Francisca from Zug, Switzerland replies: "Thanks Tina, I found the site but Lugol's is not in stock although they say that they would have it after the 15th of Dec. Also, it says that the components are iodide crystal and potassium iodide. I am not sure that is correct.... but I sent them a message and got an automated message back informing me that it can take quite a while for them to respond! I have also a Welsh site where they sell Lugol's just they seem to offer 10% to new clients while it was only till last year, not very correct to have the banner still there...."
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