Hi all out there.
Looking for some advice. My wife has Bronchiectasis and now has the mycobacterium chimaera. She has been on the relevant antibiotics a year in august. Recent lab tests confirm it is still there. She will be on the antibiotics until about January 2021,what happens after that if she still has it I do not know. We are both around the 60ish mark. I've been looking at some of the remedies on this site and my question is this: could she try some of these remedies now, while she is on antibiotics, or would said remedies destroy the antibiotics she is on?
Which remedies might be best to try first? I would be extremely grateful for any advice. Thanks
Mycobacteria and mycoplasma can cause some awful “incurable” diseases. Notable examples: Chlamydia, Pneumonia, Leprosy, Arthritis, Tuberculosis etc. Both mycoplasma and mycobacteria are much smaller than bacteria — about the size of a virus. They are both cell-wall deficient bacteria types that have fungal-like behavior. They attach themselves to the side of the side of host cells then penetrate the cells to feed off the cell itself.
In arthritis, both mycoplasma and Mycobacteria may be involved. Mycoplasma basically feeds off the cartlege destroying it, causing much pain while mycobacteria tends to also build calcium shells at the extremities causing calcium build up. Mycobacterium cause a different type of arthritis where your finger joints become fused, fixed and immobile. Mycobacteria also form calcium in the lugs which can turn into visible calcium lesions which are visible on an X-ray.
As you've discovered, the doctors cannot consistently cure your mycobacteria problem. All they will ever do is throw a battery of anti-biotics at you, take your money, and hope it works. And you probably already know that if you take any antibiotic over an extended period of time then this will act to completely destroy the protective bioflora or good bacteria in your own gut which is a very important part of your immune system. This result of all this will be a tremendous weakening of your immune system to the extent that, over time, you will probably continue to be less protected, more infected and less healthy as a result. In other words, antibiotics can and does invite other diseases into your body due to its overall immune weakening effect..
Doctors also have no real clue how to treat both mycobacteria or mycoplasma and that's a fact. But you should be able to treat all your problems naturally with natural treatments that will help to cure you and with few, if any side-effects. And these treatments are not expensive. See below:
You should take these protocols every day:
Borax Water Protocol — This is Ted from Bangkok's Borax protocol which is fully described here:
Resveratrol Extract– Buy the Japanese Knotwood form (Polygonum cuspidatum) not the one made from red wine. Dosage 300mgs per day (should contain at least 150mgs of trans-resveratrol) — take it with breakfast.
Resveratrol is a key flavonoid that will rapidly tune up and improve your immune system and it also has so many other great benefits:
Chanca piedra: 500 mgs twice a day with meals. Removes any excess calcium from the blood, is anti-viral and much more.
See link for details:
Serrapeptase enzyme: At least 20,000 iu twice per day taken outside mealtimes. Taken together with Chanca piedra to help heal and remove existing calcium leisions from your lungs caused by TB.
And if you also suspect that you have other pathogenic infections in your body, then you should perhaps take the Turpentine protocol for this. Using Gum Turpentine(from the pine tree) is perhaps one of the best ways of purifying your blood safely — it kills all pathogens in your blood. And it's such a simple protocol with few side-effects. Just a teaspoon a day.
The above simple protocol should act to actively kill both mycobacteria and mycoplasma and help to greatly improve or cure your arthritis and lung problems. and if you find that you have other problems or infections, just come back to this forum and we'll always help.
I'm a 69 year old man who managed to successfully cure his own serious auto-immune disease (Systemic Candida). That was over 10 years ago and I'm still a healthy old man now. I also study and always promote Ted from Bangkok's protocols because I know, from my own experience with using his protocols in the past that they always work or will at least greatly improve your illness or disease.
Since then, I've devoted most of my time to studying cures for Candida, cures for other auto-immune diseases as well as continually researching all the diseases that allopathic medicine can't cure. Doctor's never use the word cure with patients now do they? The prefer just to pontifically advise that it's always best to “manage the symptoms” with drugs. But doing that just gives the drugs companies a wonderful money stream for life with no cure in sight for the poor patient.
I read an interesting statistic the other day. Did you know that 85% to 90% of all drugs on the market today won't cure you of diddley? But many people still trust their doctors, right? Why?? Beats me.
Dear Bill, Very sorry to hear about your current condition. Have you explored Ted's remedies on the subject (ted.earthclinic.com)? Here is a post I found from TimH, who unfortunately we no longer hear from on Earth Clinic, but has a lot written on the subject throughout the site. Perhaps you can find something helpful in one of his posts. Here's one. https://earthclinic.com/ailments/mycoplasma-infection-remedies/#comment-262381
Mycobacterium Avium Complex Lung Disease
I have been diagnosed with what my infectious disease specialist called mycobacterium. After many months of regular clinic doctors throwing a bunch of different antibiotics of at what they thought was a “weird looking pneumonia”, they sent me out the door with a huge bill and no results. 7 chest x-rays, blood work, and oh yeah, the infamous and overpriced CT scan but not a clue of how to cure me. They sent off my sputum test to the Mayo to confirm that it wasn't pneumonia or tuberculosis, they then referred me to an infectious disease specialist, out of their network, who followed up with Mayo and after waiting for the sputum to grow the bacteria large enough to test came up with the mycobacterium result. This took about 6 weeks.
He said it is rare in men, especially at my age (49) and that it is more often found in older women and in the southern US where the air is humid. I am from Northern MN. Apparently birds are the ones that carry this bacteria and somehow, it ended up in the upper part of my right lung.
He said because of the rareness of the bacteria, the only treatment available is the way they treat TB. He said with my weight, I would be looking at 7 different types of antibiotics per day for 1 1/2 years. The side effects are great too, he said along with messing with your digestive system, I would have to get my liver checked once a month as some of these drugs can hurt your liver and can also cause blindness. He also noted they were not cheap and as you can guess from the clinic doctors above showing me the door, I have no health insurance.
I am not a fan of any kind of drugs in my body. I have always believed that my body could take care of just about anything and do not typically ever go to the doctor. Before this all started at the end of 2018, I had not been to the doctor in over 25 years, but the pain in my joints, shortness of breath, chest pain, back pain, loss of 15 lbs., and no apatite, caused me to go to the minute clinic who sent me directly to the doctors office. I wasn't me, so I was elated to find out from the doc on my very first visit that it was pneumonia and that is was easily treatable. I paid my bill in full, grabbed my meds from the pharmacy and thought that was easy! Much to my surprise, 6 months later, I am looking for some help from people that think more like me,
I am very new to homeopathic medicine, but have a huge belief in it, and with seeing what pharmaceutical medications did to my mother before she passed and what effects they have on my father currently, I am not a fan.
I sure could use some help in learning how to rid myself of this bacteria in a more natural way. Any comments are appreciated! God Bless!
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Hi Kellie...The Myco supplement is made by Raintree Formulas and you can buy it here.
I've always used just Borax to get rid of mycoplasma and fungal problems. It's also fairly well known that Borax supplementation will cure arthritis which is a disease that is also caused by mycoplasma. In other words borax will kill mycoplasma. How to take the simple Borax protocol is demonstrated in this video by Deirdre.
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Thank you for takin the time to tell everyone what helped you! I'm having a hard time finding the supplement though. Is South American Herbs the name of the company?
Ues... 20 mile team borax... sold in the laundry section of most grocery stores
I was tested positive for Ureaplasma Pavrum. Does the borax drink method cure this?
I got testing and have Ureaplasma Pavrum, can you really drink Borax to cure this Mycoplasma infection?
The treatment with dmso might explain why the FDA has been trying to shut down dmso for decades.
I also have mycoplasma and it just about did me in! I've been using prednisone, 30mg, once a day and it has helped me breath regular since. They want me to start taking another drug called Voriconazole 200mg daily but it's real costly! I'm trying to find a natural way to deal with this matter...Good Luck to all who has this!
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Holly, thank you for sharing your experience. Where do I get the Myco herb
There are substances in black tea such as theaflavin-2 that deal with mycoplasm. For more information, enter black tea and mycoplasm into any search engine. there are many scientific articles about this on-line. Rutgers University has been researching black tea effects.
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Can you give more info about where to obtain the specific herb mix you took, and doses, duration, etc. I'm trying to eliminate ureaplasma bacteria. Thanks
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Myco (rainforest herbs)
I have tried seemingly everything for the past -almost year. I had a series of expensive Rife machine treatments for which I traveled for in another state, high dosages of vit C (I believe Vit C is very good and helped me with some unrelated things), olive leaf extract, high doses of good quality colloidal silver, fasting for long periods of time, vitamin c/salt/mud baths, infrared saunas, etc. I got blood work done after doing this a long while and found no change in mycoplasma levels but a slight drop in eb virus levels. I decided to try Myco (a blend of South American herbs) and after about a month I got retested and have tested negative for mycoplasma. (I still have epstein barr virus, so I am still on the search for a cure for that.) I share this in case this helps anyone else. We are all different, but for what it is worth, it worked for me extremely well. (just one bottle did it)
HI U PEGGY,,,,,,,,,,, I commend you on this post. Most MD's prescribe a 500 mg niacin prescription, which is way too much and thus folks drop the protocol. When I told my MD that I was taking niacin for the flush effect, he told me that out of hundreds of patients that he had prescribed niacin, only two could stand the experience.
He was the problem in not understanding how the protocol works.
You are right ..... your goal is to dilate your capillaries such that the cholesterol can pass from your blood vessels. It also helps old folk's sex life because it allows blood to get to certain old places.
Just an FYI about Niacin vs no flush niacin. The no flush niacin is a waste of time. The flush you feel are small capillaries opening and increased blood flow. In Europe they prescribe this for high cholesterol. MY BF takes it for high cholesterol. The trick to handling the flush is starting at a small dose and working up slowly and with a full meal. I describe the flush as almost what you feel after being out in the sun all day and getting a sunburn. It does not harm you and you eventually only get a small flush that only lasts for about 20 minutes. Also great for diabetics.
Art, Timh, A well-known herbalist named Tony on the internet suggests not consuming anything with nano-particles esp. for Morgellons which he says is a nano disease.
I think the correct name is "ultrasonic humidifier"......they are very common and available at stores like Target and Walmart.
You can click on the amazon link at the bottom of this post to see them or you can use this link.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=i:aps,k:ultrasonic+humidifier&keywords=ultrasonic+humidifier&ie=UTF8&qid=1458165155&spIA=B00H8AD07K, B013ELRDL0, B01ABY3U4M, B0187QZ97W, B017VMBVKW, B01AJHHD1C
I use 20 ppm silver nanoparticles in mine whenever I use it for 5 minutes at a time several times a day. I just breathe in by the output. I've read that this method might allow the silver particles to also reach the blood, bypassing the problems associated with the gut.
Art. Not familiar with ultrasonic vaporizers but from the results of many times zapping locally on infected joints and lower spine, I can say with surety that Magnet Therapy is essential prior to zapping, and so that's the method I follow and finish off w/ the Colloidal Silver. I do this maybe 2x month with apparent good results although it is often difficult to narrow down the effectiveness of one treatment when there are multiple diseases going on at the same time.
Anyway, thanks so much for your concern as it will go a long way in my slow recovery.
Thank you for that list!
I notice that you have used colloidal silver in a nebulizer. A nebulizer may not be able to deliver the most effective dose of colloidal silver considering the actual surface area of the lungs (half of a tennis court) in relation to the actual amount of silver you are getting.
Another consideration is the idea that the silver particles need to come very close to or touch the intended bacteria in order to have the desired effect.
An ultrasonic vaporizer may be able to deliver a more effective amount of colloidal silver in a reasonable amount of time.
Just hoping you get the most out of the CS you are using!
The testing for mycoplasma infections is very difficult. False negatives are a common thing. The important thing is to judge by the way you feel. If you feel wonderful maybe the bug has gone down a bit. This pleomorphic organism has multiple growth phases. It can go dormant for many years hibernating with a hard shell around it then at a future date break lose and become a cell wall deficent organism once again.
Doctors like to think they can just give a patient a prescription for antibiotics, take pills for a couple weeks and be over an illness.
Not so with the engineered bugs. They are designed to evade the immune system and be nearly impossible to eradicate by normal means.
Few things actually cause them any harm. Electromedicine, blood ozonation, coconut oil, serrapeptase, doxycycline, minocycline, tetracycline and a new one gallium nitrate put the hurt on mycoplasma and bring you relief.
As a general rule of thumb if you have a really weird disease that doctors have trouble with and seems to have no cure and or be linked to similar autoimmune disease then that is a clue mycoplasma might possibly be involved.
There are a small number of different Mycoplasma strains found throughout the natural world. The most common is found in livestock termed Mycoplasma Pneumonia and rarely diagnosed in humans although it is quite common.
Here is a list of The Main Human Mycoplasma Pathogens with Implicated Disease:
Mycoplasma genitalium: Arthritis, chronic nongonococcal urethritis, chronic pelvic inflammatory disease, other urogenital infections and diseases, infertility, AIDS/HIV
Mycoplasma fermentans: Arthritis, Gulf War Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lupus, AIDS/HIV, autoimmune diseases, ALS, psoriasis and Scleroderma, Crohn's and IBS, cancer, endocrine disorders, Multiple Sclerosis, diabetes
Mycoplasma salivarium: Arthritis, TMJ disorders, Eye and ear disorders and infections, gingivitis, periodontal diseases including even cavities.
Mycoplasma hominis and Ureaplasma urealyticum: Pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility, non-gonococcal urethritis, vaginitis, cervicitis, amnionitis,
pyelonephritis, post-partum septicemia, neonatal pneumonia, neonatal conjunctivitis, Reiter's syndrome, peritonitis, wound infections (C-section),
low birth weight infants, and premature rupture of membranes.
Mycoplasma pneumonia: Pneumonia, asthma, upper and lower respiratory diseases, heart diseases, leukemia, Steven-Johnson syndrome,
polyarthritis or septic arthritis, CNS disorders and diseases, urinary tract infections, Crohn's and Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Guillain-Barr syndrome, polyradiculitis, encephalitis, and septic meningitis, autoimmune diseases.
Mycoplasma incognitus and Mycoplasma penetrans: AIDS/HIV, urogenital infections and diseases, Autoimmune disorders and diseases
Mycoplasma pirum: Urogenital infections and diseases, AIDS/HIV
Mycoplasma faucium, M. lipophilum and M. buccale: Diseases of the gingival crevices and respiratory tract
I have had a debilitating case of an unknown (undiagnosed) strain of mycoplasma for more than 2 decades and the most effective remedies I have found is Borax (hot baths are best), Uvi Ursi herb (fallowed with zapping), and for the lungs --zapping then nebulizing Colloidal Silver. For the joints, strong Magnets fallowed with Zapping is effective. Adding Ted's recommended Borax doses to the drinking water of pets and/or livestock would be recommended regularly as a treatment or preventive.
Typically Mycoplasma is a slow grower but can accelerate with other infections and/or aging. Older pets w/ debilitating arthritis are likely badly infected by Mike O Plasma.
Anyone still here? Is it ok to use demineralised water with the borax rather than distilled water?
I tested strong positive to mycoplasma fermentans via PCR and then a few years later, without any treatment I tested negative to it. Can it go away by itself or is the testing faulty? Thanks.
A common cause behind many diseases, mycoplasma infection.
To the scientific mindset one microorganism causes one disease. Now meet a microorganism which does not play by the rules, meet Mr. Mike O. Plasma aka Mycoplasma. He is a sneaky little guy.
Imagine a pleomorphic bug that hides from the immune system, that can change its surface texture to mimic normal human cellular tissue. A bug that can invade any type of tissue anywhere in the body and trick the immune system into attacking its own body tissues. a bug that can go dormant for many years then come out to play years later. A bug that causes such a wide range of bizzare symptoms it seems to affect everyone differently. One person may have fibromyalgia another may have chronic fatigue. While someone else may have diabetes, kidney disease, als, lupus, multiple sclerosis or highly aggressive cancers not to mention dozens of other so called "autoimmune diseases". Well that is Mr Mike o. plasma's signature, a baffling disease with a wild variety of seeming unrelated symptoms.
You probably have mold illness aka CIRS
Hi may I recommend glutathione for your memory. It reduced my lyme symptoms about a quarter and definitely helped with my brain fog. The disease stresses the glutathione levels of the body. I read this in "Why Can't I Get Better? Solving the Mystery of Chronic Lyme Disease" by Dr Richard I. Horowitz. Use sublingual or liposomal glutathione for best results. Great info on this site thx
Thank you so much for your input. I truly appreciate it.
Perhaps I'll try switching from the B3/Inositol to the regular Niacinamide? I don't have a whole lot to lose at this point, and it's inexpensive, so I don't even have a lot of money to lose.
Thank you, again! Happy Holidays!
HI ALL, , , , , , , , , , let me say that I think flushing niacin and niacinamide do two different things. 'Bout half smart on this subject , but I think the flushing kind is for detoxing and the other to get rid of the plaque in your brain.
This URL explains it bettern a REDNECK from Arkansas can.
I truly think there is something to niacinamide concerning Alzheimers and BIG PHARMA does not want this public. Too cheap and too effective.
While I have the floor, let me suggest that to avoid cancer, all read Bill Henderson's book... Cancer Free, and do 1/2 the Budwig protocol. What this will do for you is get oxygen into your cells so you don't get cancer. I max out with O2 in my blood, but that is not addressing the cancer in my cells. It should be done at daylight and with fresh fruit. I have now gotten the system down such that I look forward to the shake. The Flax seed oil will cure your bowel problems, I promise.
The bright folks on EC take care of you pretty good, but you can go to the next level by researching the internet on your topic.
Like I've told all before: the automobile allowed you to go three ridges over so you did not have to marry your first cousin who lived in the same hollow....a different gene pool. The internet and computers have allowed you to use you own brain instead of doing what Walter Cronkite told you to think on the 6 o'clock news.
Folks now have the media's number and it is blowing their mind. I love it, I love it.
Regarding Niacin for memory issues...
My dad was deteriorating with dementia. I got a bottle of flush free niacin (not sure the brand, but it would have only been 500 or 400 mg per capsule) and had his caregiver give it to him every day. He had notable improvement from that one capsule a day. His care situation changed and I am no longer able to get him to take the niacin and he has declined a lot since then.
I was using flush free because I was afraid if he had a niacin flush, the caregiver would panic and stop giving it to him.
I am no expert at all on niacin. But I can say for sure that it did help my dad, and he wasn't taking lots.
Just my 2 cents.
~Mama to Many~
Thank you, ORH
I appreciate your input and your wisdom.
I'm curious about how Niacinamide worked for you, personally, though. Did you start taking the 1,500mgs/day because you found your memory failing a bit, or did you take it solely as a preventative measure to keep it from failing?
If you only took the N'mide as a preventative measure, then I might rethink taking it as a therapeutic one.
Thank you, again!
Don't fear, ORH, lots of people are "waking up".
HI U LIZ, , , , , , , , , , , we use the NOW brand of niacin amide.
My knowledge on this topic is not in the running with Bill's so I defer to his counsel.
As far as humor is concerned, I try to live with humor continuously . My attitude does a 180, however, when I think of how sick this country has become since the 50's, when no one locked a door and went hungry before they stole.
My almost 80 years has probably seen the period of the greatest change in our country, from wood heat, drawing well water..... to light by kerosene lamps. I fear that 2016 and 2017 will be the most interesting of all.
Oh, my ORH...your post made me giggle! But then, they often do. (Your grandma's soap...hahaha! ) :) I love your sense of humor. To me, it's a must-have in life!
My Canadian grandma and my mom always used one of your favorites--'ole patoot'! When I first saw you use that one, it brought back fond memories.
Speaking of memories, (nice segue there, huh?), unfortunately, it is my short-term memory that's getting bad, and I'm only in my late 50's.
My plate has been VERY full for the past few years, and I wonder if that's been a contributor. I am the type who compartmentalizes unpleasant happenings--so much so, that I wonder if my built-in mechanism to 'forget' the bad has evolved (if you will) to where I forget, period!
You used the breakfast example and it made me think that if it weren't for the fact that I eat the same thing for breakfast every day, I just might forget what I had for breakfast! Though, after reading what you wrote, I was able to recall what I had for lunch both today and yesterday, so I guess there's still hope. ;-)
I wondered if you could tell me what brand nicotinamide/niacimamide you've been using? I think both of us have been around EC long enough that the powers-that-be know we aren't selling anything.
I've been taking only 500mgs of flush-free Niacin in the form of inositol hexanicotinate, which was the form Bill recommended to someone here quite awhile ago.
Were you having memory problems that were improved after taking the 1,500 mgs/day or did you start taking it more as a preventative measure than as a therapeutic one?
Thank you for your input! I appreciate you! :)
HI U LIZ, , , , , , , , that was my Mississippi Grandmothers name. Yo folks named you right. She made the families lye soap from hog lard and ashes from the fire place. It would take the hair off your arm, but you were clean.
When this mice study was first published me and my ole Wisconsin boss followed it because his wife was going into dementia and he was desperate. They never published the human study so he called them and that's when he learned that the program had been shut down. We all know the reason.
We don't take the 3500 mg which is the mice equivalent to a human, but we do take 1500 mg .
Sometimes I lie awake at night trying to remember things from my 40s youth. They say the problem is remembering what you had for breakfast. My tractor driver now uses coconut oil as much as she can in her cooking.
I have considered buying a near infrared device that you clamp on you nose and it penetrates 6 to 9 inches into your brain. That is supposed to clean out the brain plaque.
I saved my money in my working years so I can buy these health toys, but got too much on my plate to get involved with this device right now.
Wish you well.
I've read the nicotinamide study from the University of CA/Irvine and while it indeed does suggest that nicotinamide can greatly benefit Alzheimer's patients, it also notes that nicontinamide is "generally safe, but can be toxic in high doses".
The 3,000mgs/day (1,500mg 2x/day) they used for 6 months is a very high dose! What I didn't see in the report, was any mention of whether or not that dose was too high for continued use. For example, perhaps that dose was beneficial, but its continued use at that dose would be toxic?
I read an article by a holistic practitioner who claimed that high doses can cause "severe liver damage", among other life-threatening side-effects, so I was left confused by the nicotinamide/niacinamide debate.
My memory sure isn't what it used to be. It's nowhere close. I've always been tempted to try this therapy, but with so much conflicting information, I have been apprehensive.
HI U JOSIE, , , , , , , , , ,
Neither you nor your doctor have a clue because you both don't understand the process nor how to control it such that it works and is also tolerable.
Do you know what the flush is and why you need to flush? Why do you think some folk blush ? What causes a blush. The thing that causes a blush is the same thing that causes a flush only not to the same extent. Your capillaries have dilated and more blood than usual is pouring through them. The blush is an emotional thing and the flush is a chemical thing.
When your capillaries dilate then all the toxins hung up and could not get out of your system, now can. Lack of knowledge is what causes the problem. The lowest Rx a doctor can prescribe of Niacin is 500 mg and that is way too much for a person to start with. They need to start with about 200mg and move up an additional 50 mg as they can tolerate the flush.
Thus, to do this thing right, your M.D. would have to tell you to buy a supplement of the right strength. That will not happen as he would be put on the black list by Big Pharma.
I have Ron L. Hubbard's book on using Niacin and Saunas to detox his LSD buddies in the 70's after they doped out in the 60's. Regardless of what folks say about Hubbard, he was no dummy.
Anyway Josie, I hope my straight talk has enlightened you to do more research on this subject.
By the way, the non flushing niacin or niacianamide of about 3500 mg a day will solve your Alzheimer's. That study was done on mice at U of Cal, Irving some 5 or 6 years ago and it worked. Big Pharma shut down the human studies.
Degenerative diseases in the U S are second only to energy in contribution to our economy. As a result, none will ever be solved, they will just be treated.
Life is just a bowel of cherries. ==ORH===
Niacin Warning: do not take regular Niacin ..You will feel like you are on fire..I took 3, 100 mg I had to get in pool cold I swell up red in face..like I had fever but I didn't ...My Dr..told me to take Niacin Non-Flushing 1,000 mg (Vitacost Brand ) for block 30% block in neck to clear ....my Dr. said Take 6000 mg daily for 2 to months ..So I at 3,1000 mg in morning and 3 at night...Plus magnesium 3-4 scoops daily .potassium find in grocery store..celery 6 stalks daily , beets with contains nitrites beets will make stools red ...Omega 3's , Co-Q-10, Hibiscus tea, Vitamin C, Taurine 3 tsp, change of life style ...I am not a Dr..nor pretend to be...my mom never went to Dr.and had learn a lot about herbs from her...30 years studying ..about vitamin and herbs..most meds I had allergies to and did not go will with me..To many side affects....blessings this is share info ...study for yourself..use wisdom I am for good Dr.. plus common sense ....My Dr.. gave me a lot of good articles..he wrote and others....articles also..
Get tested for Lyme. The symptoms and ailments you described where exactly what I experienced when I first got Lyme.
I thought it was dangerous to take clove oil internally? Can someone comment? Is there such a thing as food-grade borax?
I have been doing a lot of research trying to find natural treatments for Myco. and each website seems to say a different thing!
Mined in California and Turkey, Borax is used for cleaning and may be found in the cleaners section of your supermarket. Famous one is '20 Mule Borax'.
Many articles on Borax/boron, google 'borax conspiracy' for dosages. Basically 5 - 10 mg day. More for detox.
Hi: I have mycoplasma for the third time, getting worse and am almost bedridden, I'm a nurse who's had CFIDS for 35 years; and I recognize the symptoms. Can someone give me a specific protocol. When you say Borax, do you mean Bleach, I have not seen Borax. I cannot get around well and don't feel I have the time for experimentation. Thank you, time is of the essence now.
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Hi Dan...Ted usually recommends between 10 mgs to 50 mgs of sodium molybdate crystals supplemented with water per day. As a precaution, you should take this remedy for two weeks only and then have a week off the protocol and continue it like that.
You may also have trouble purchasing sodium molybdate in powder form but the best place to get it is on ebay.com -- just type in "sodium molybdate" in the search box and you will find it.
Excellent article and excellent responders who are aware of the medical-pharmaceutical deception and exploitation of millions of patients. To add to my extensive book collection, I had bought a book ten years ago called THE COUNTRY DOCTOR HANDBOOK and I opened it in early March 2015 again for interesting info in order to help some of my friends who suffer from Arthritis, etc. I was amazed to find out at the Rheumatoid Arthritis pages that MYCOPLASMA FERMENTANS is the cause of it. In his book CANCER IS A FUNGUS, Dr. Tullio Simoncini, (oncologist, from Rome, Italy) had stated in 2005, that RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS is also a FUNGUS! So, Doctor Simoncini was more than correct to state that the cause of RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS is A FUNGUS (since Mycoplasma Fermentans is in itself: a fungus)!
Ann: Do you not filter your drinking water? Sometimes it's good to get mad, but never good to stay that way. Now that you are waking up to the danger of your situation, you can begin doing something about it (which you are already by coming to E.C for help).
Here are links to your said conditions. https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/copd-treatment-chronic-obstructive-pulmonary-disease.html
Hope you get better!
Anne. Look into Black Seed Oil (Not Cumin) for building and repairing the immune system
Also, Bill from the Phillipines has an explanation on Earth Clinic.
The water where I live is poisonous, and has the above minerals plus arsenic, from the copper, uranium, and radium, so how is the above help? I have gotten so much worse since moving here, and per our water co., if you have any auto immune, you should not live here. Nobody even told me that. Also, someone I know used the toothpaste, and she passed away?
I think someone needs to confront whoever released this on us. I have copd, r/a, lupus, fibromyalgia, you name it, and I am soo mad. And, I was hoping I w imagining it. Does anyone know how to rebuild the immune system? Please advise. Thanlk you
I am 20 momths into high dose homemade lipo c, and recently added sea salt vit c for about 50% of it, over 20 grams net vit c per day. I believe a) that it works well boosting the immune system, b) it takes time plus patience, phenols from essential oils help break open biofilms. I use turpentine, essential oils (lavender, oregano, juniper) and lately I am eating 10gms of juniper berries per day. It has cleared tooth abscesses and multiple parasitic issues ( t. Gondii, yeast, helicopterbacter, etc. )
Having suffered 55 yrs of eczema and percieved food allergies, I am now eating eggs again after 26 yrs of avoidance)
Ok it was 7 months ago that you posted, but try the vit c salt protocol for lyme. It will help all of us, never mind the symptoms and various diagnosis. Check out gulo mose vit c studies. Brave it on, pilgrim.
Can anyone clarify what is meant by aspirin can work quickly against mycoplasma?
Does that mean if mycoplasma is an issue for you, you should feel better immediately or within days or what?
Is this suggesting aspirin will kill the infection or temporarily disabling it?
I have also read that Ted says zinc, copper and magnesium (all chlorides) should kill any infection. If not add chromium, tungsten and vanadium.
Anyone know anything about this?
Hi people has anyone tried these treatments? What were the results? is Ted still around and is there any way to contact him? I have been really unwell for a long long time. Thankyou
Dmrose, having had many similar issues, though not exact, I will relate what protocols have helped me, with the caveat that it took years to become ill and it takes time to improve toward becoming well. First for the tooth issue, check earth clinic's oil pulling. You can start out 'small' using lesser amounts and for less time then work up to the recommeded. This works for drawing out infecton and heavy metals. Follow the instructons, do not swollow. Next check into earth clinic's, Ted's borax protocol, making sure to use filtered water- NO flouride, NO chlorine. This protocol kills candida and helps to remove heavy metals. I have also been using calcium bentonite clay. 1/4 teaspoon in 4 oz filtered water, stir, let sit for 15 min or more for the clay to absorb water, mix again, drink. Then drink additional water, I take this 3 times a week, brushing my teeth and tongue with non flouride toothpaste afterwards. I have found that starting out slow and steady, working up to the recommended amounts, maybe one protocol at a tme for a week or so before adding another, helps to keep me from having 'herx' or die off reactions that can occur when getting rid of candida and other possible parasites. Any detox can stir up things in you body, and some people quit too soon. Search, search and research here on EC and elsewhere. It does take time but becoming well is worth the work.
Multiple health issues...
I grieve with you on this hard journey. I've fought many battles over the years and to start with just want to encourage you that there is always an answer to every question...it's finding it and implementing the solution that is the real problem.
First, all the "things" that are hitting you seem to me to revolve around infection.
If that is true, and if this were me, I'd focus on that underlying fact. The Mycobacterium is a bacteria which has fungus qualities. The Myco is without cell walls and that is what makes it resistant to antibiotics (see Wiki article on Mycobacterium).
Your immune system is highly weakened and your energy levels are low...very low. You didn't say that but such an infection will impact you in every way.
You said you had this condition for 10 years...Myco, yeast, herpes etc. I'm guessing that you had a serious infection closely prior to the onset ten years ago and it is that infection that has spread throughout your system.
If this were me, I'd use Colloidal Silver to attack the essential problem. CS can kill bacteria/fungus and virus...all of which you have.
Not only would I ingest the CS orally (two tablespoons three times daily on empty stomach) but I'd also (this would be a MUST) obtain a "steam inhaler" and use thee CS to inhale into my lungs. This, I am convinced, would kill the CS in bronchial and lungs.
You breathe from the inhaler three times weekly, for five minutes...breathing DEEPLY off and on. I've done this to myself a dozen times.
I would also perform vigorous "irrigations" three per week. I always use an ear syringe to make sure the CS gets to back of sinus passages. Squirt into my ears...gargle...a few drops into eyes.
After six months, the infection would be 90 percent gone.
Look at the different digestive suggestions suggested by Bill Thompson and all else he suggested.
I also think you have a metal poisoning. Make sure your check for that in a hair analysis.
Prediction: If I'm right about what CS can do for you, in TWO weeks or less, I would expect to feel a SURGE of energy. That would not .... NOT mean I would be cured. This correction is LONG term...I might have to be on the protocol I discussed for a year to fully eliminate the fungi/viruses and bacteria slowing doing their damage.
The surge of energy is the immune system being relieved by reinforcements (the CS)...and the CS (I contend) becoming a kind of immune system.
So I could test the efficacy of CS and know in less than two weeks if it is working.
Hi Dmrose13...The current problems that you have or may have appear to be:
* A serious Mycoplasma pneumonia infection in the lungs
* Possible other pathogenic infections in your gut and elsewhere due to dysbyosis caused by taking anti-biotics. See this link.
* Digestion and other gut problems
* Allergies and food sensitivities (a prime indicator of mycoplasma and/or candida problems in the gut)
* Possible low thyroid or hypothyroid problems.
* Possible other Methylation Cycle issues.
The most dangerous problem that you have is the mycoplasma infection in your lungs which you must cure as quickly as possible. Borax is perhaps the ultimate fungal killer and is one of the few nutrients that will kill mycoplasma. It also acts to remove fluorine safely from the body and helps to make healthy bones. Add 1/8 tspn borax (20 Mule Team Borax -- unscented -- is fine to use) to a liter of water. Drink one liter of this remedy for five days and then take two days off in a continuous cycle like that. See this link.
Another option for you, particularly if the mycoplasma infection becomes urgent and serious, is to use Bill Munroe's Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Therapy. Hydrogen Peroxide also rapidly kills mycoplasma on contact. This therapy is fully described on EC here.
i would also suggest that you take the Lugols Iodine Protocol with companion nutrients. You can either use Lugols Iodine or Iodoral for this protocol. Iodine is a broad spectrum pathogen killer that should reduce any other infections in your body. Iodine also supports and aids the immune system and the thyroid and Iodine has also been used for beneficial effect against Schizophrenia (Dr Orion Truss et al).
You may also have Methylation Cycle or Pyroluria issues also associated with your Schizophrenia and other problems:
Dr Walsh -- Under Methylation Problems (lack of methyl groups in the body. High histamine levels)
Dr Walsh -- Over Methylation problems (over-abundance of methyl groups. Low histamines in the body)
Dr Walsh on Pyroluria (caused by a huge deficit of Vitamin B6 and Zinc in the body together with high levels of copper
Unfortunately I'm working blind here. I really need you to ask your doctor for a full Methylation panel or Vitamin/Mineral blood panel. If he refuses then just get a hair analysis independently instead -- a hair analysis is quite cheap. I really need to know the blood status of your vitamins and minerals -- particularly your Vitamin B6, B12, homocysteine, glutathione, folate, copper and zinc levels etc to make an accurate assessment. A hair analysis will also show you your excess heavy metal status.
To improve your digestion and gut problems, take Betaine HCl tablets and protease enzymes at all meals. The betaine HCL will provide the correct acidity levels for stomach digestion and the protease enzymes will help to both digest you food and help to protect your intestines as well. When you buy the protease enzymes ensure that you buy pancreatin enzymes that also contain bromelain and papain enzymes.
In summary, the protocols that you should take are:
For mycoplasma and associated pathogen problems
* Borax water as advised
* Iodine Protocol with companion nutrients on a daily basis. Start small and go slow with this protocol.
* A combination of Green Tea and Gymnema Sylvestre both in tea form taken four times a day. This combination helps to remove heavy metals, kill pathogens, reduces candida virulence and helps reduce blood sugar.
* Niacinamde -- up to 1.5 grams a day taken in 500 mg dosages after all meals.
* Vitamin C -- 3, 000 mgs per day.
* B50 Complex once a day with a meal.
* Vitamin B6 -- 200 mgs once a day
For your digestion and gut problems
* Betaine HCL. Taken at every meal.
* Protease enzymes (pancreatin enzymes with bromelain and papain). Taken with every meal.
I can't really accurately decide on the possible methylation cycle issues you might have until after you get your hair analysis and show the results here on EC.
Also be aware that the above protocols may initially cause heavy pathogen die-off or Herx effects and possible heavy metal chelation side-effects as well. If this happens then you should adjust the anti-pathogen and heavy metal detox dosages down accordingly.
Hi, I live in Michigan and just found out I have Mycoplasma Pneumonia, Celiac, Herpes and yeast. I have not been well for 10 years. I am a Healthy Cooking Chef. I react every time I step into the cooking school I work at, obviously because of the metals and chemicals (to wash the floor etc.) I have many food sensitivities as well as chemical sensitivities. I am allergic to anything Petroleum based, plastic, food coloring any type of preservative or food additive.. My colon swells a lot. I also have some organs that swell. I have been working on healing my digestion as well. I have been Schizophrenic for 5 years. I have no idea which of these is the culprit. I went to an infectious disease doc for the Mycoplasma diagnosis. He treated me with Doxycycline for 10 days (I had to stop after 5 full days, my heart was beating to fast and my blood pressure 90 over 40. 4 days later I can still taste chemical when I push on the lymph area in the neck. Now they want to put me in the hospital and treat me with another strong antibiotic. Oh yes, and did I mention I have an infection in my back molar, it needs to be pulled, (its making the Schizophrenia act up) I am terrified to take or do anything, Kind of scared, I really do not have faith in medical doctors. Any Suggestions, would be gladly appreciated. Thank you!!
When most people think of health care solutions, shutting down the covert biochemical warfare assault by the government against the population and ending secrecy never enters their mind. The health of the population could be drastically improved dirt cheap if the powers that be allowed all the curative knowledge to seep out and activities detrimental to health curtailed. Thanks for the post on mycoplasma
Hi Khita...All very true what you say about mycoplasma. And if you want to know the the whole bio-warfare development cycle then this is a most interesting and detailed article:
This would also perhaps help to explain why diseases like CFS, AIDS, Morgellon's Disease, Mad Cow Disease, MS and Lyme never really existed until half way through the last century.
I've even come across an old article by Ted from Bangkok(on another site) where he said that when he was working in America for a food company, he contracted Morgellon's Disease. His boss, who had also worked on mycoplasma used in bio-ware, already knew the cure for Morgellon's Disease. Ted said that he didn't know the whole cure(his boss wouldn't tell him) but part of it consisted of taking 2-3% DMSO with 5% sodium perborate solution. This remedy is incomplete. When Ted used this remedy from his boss, he said that "it worked like magic" to cure him. They had to have this remedy to cure researchers working on weaponized mycoplasma if and when they got this mycoplasma disease. And that's why Ted recommends using sodium perborate and borax against diseases involving mycoplasma like Morgellons and Lyme.
I am so grateful to have come upon this website. I acquired 8 different strains of mycoplasma when I lived in Japan in the late 1970's. Of course there was no diagnosis for my multiple symptoms. I was diagnosed by a retired physician here, in Ann Arbor Michigan, who did her medical training when mycoplasma was taught in medical school. It was patented by the army and dropped over Japan in 1940. I am sure there are more strains now than there were back then.
I have yet been able to completely kill it off because of its ability to reproduce. One needs to stay ahead of the cycle. One of the technologies that has really helped me and kept me from dying of this disease is a Rife machine. It is based on the technology of the electron microscope that Royal Raymond Rife created in the early 20th century. Mike in Kalamazoo has done an amazing job at researching and trying to perfect and create new equipment to help people heal. the website is truerife.com. It looks sci fi and I guess the machinery is....but it works.
I was on a pick line for a year and on an old cholesterol medication after that, but the Rife machine has helped the most. I am seeing an infectious disease physician and she is picking the brain of one of the creators of diseases like this. I will post any help that I can. If there is nothing else to do with this it is to help people get better.
Thank you to everyone for their contributions.
Marie: David Wolfe's Super Immune Tonic System.
Could you post a link to both the protocol and the videos. I tried an internet search for SITS, but I'm unsure if I found what you were referring to.
Marie: Some top notch people have a complete program they explain in detail that goes on for 100 days called SITS. The simple solution would be to get 4 sulfur containing proteins. These are easily denatured when cooked or exposed to synthetic everything. The main one is cysteine. The only food high in cysteine is raw whey isolate. Three superfoods that contain the other three proteins are raw cocoa powder, hawaiin spirulina, and dessicated liver. Sulfur turns on many important pathways, both nourishes and detoxes, and assists oxygen in energizing. The 80/10/10ers have a complete raw whole food program that enables the body to function at peak performance. You can watch their videos.
I was reading on a fibromyalgia site that hyssop can help with mycoplasma. Also would cilantro and lecithin work to help remove the metals? How much niacin and hydrogen peroxide should someone use a day or dose. and what is edta?
TED... HOW MUCH is a large dose of NIACINAMIDE? FOR fungus/candida/parasites? and where do you get that toothpaste w the zinc in it or need the recipe please.
I know that these mycoplasma submissions are old but I just had to reply. I was testing positive for mycoplasma pneu. and finally found out I was positive for lyme. If any are curious please use an ILADS basis for testing and not IDSA basis. After lyme has been in a system for a while it turns into cyst form (with a mycoplasmic basis). Because IDSA has a short treatment for lyme, lyme may go dormant and cause mycoplasma later in disease. Good luck.
Hi, To all the respondents above: Many pathogens are parasite related. Yes there are natural cures for all of them including cancer. Believe it or not, the first step is to get hold of a modern day genius on the internet (the FDA hates this) Dr. Hulda Clark. I have nothing to gain from telling you this. The fact remains that there are now superbugs and strains of dimorfisized bugs. (mycopasma strains) because of anti-biotics. In nature there is a war in the the soil between pathogens and natural anyobiotics and there weapons are dimorphic, as in our bodies. Most antibiotics are outdated and are not money spinners anymore. Large pharmaceuticalls are greedy and evil (there are many modern medicines that have saved millions) but the inventors have not really made money ie. capitalism.
Check your blood ph and take a good base powder. Teas and herbs will help but you have to take them over a long period and on a regular basis. Black walnut, garlic, wormwood and Pau'd arco will help restore your oxygen inside you body and fight candida and acidity. This is paramount because of western acid processed foods. The cheap remedies sometimes works best. Blood ph and oxygen are essential to life and setting up your body to fighting these pathogens. If your child has any of these pathogens PLEASE start by limiting sugar intake, if the body is acidic the sugar feeds the bad bugs.
Kind Regards, Sev
I, too, am from Tulsa, OK and am desperate to find someone to help me treat my mycoplasma/chronic infection issues. I would love for y'all to send my post to Debbie from Tulsa, OK. I know it was three years ago, but here's hoping her info is the same. I need to find a good doctor around here!
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You have morgellons. See lymebusters thread from "itchin" for the connection to mycoplasma
Which herbal remedies please? I'm so in need of finding out.
Have someone tried to take the remedy Olive Leaf Extract for three months? This is a remedy I saw which cures mycoplasma infections
There has been much study done and is all available on the internet free to anyone who is willing to research and follow the trail. All the above listed ailments have been linked to 'parent' disease cells called MYCOPLASMA. They attach to the body in many ways and can manifest in different people in many ways. This is common knowledge throughout a lot of Europe from what I am researching, but here in US they want us all sick for good.
There is too much research involved, I have literally spent hours on cures and preventions, just reading the basics, but many many claiming they can and have been cured, but of course, they are all silenced because the corporations behind the poisons they pass off as 'good drugs' stand to lose too much money.
Research Dr. Hulda Clark, Dr. Robert Beck and Professor Donald Scott. They have books, articles and videos of their conferences. Also Dr. Garth Nicolson. These are pioneers in these fields.
It has long been known by much of the world and finally now many Americans that much of these 'parent' diseases were no where originated in 'nature' - they were man made- and hence, also have cures. These doctors/professors teach all natural and low-cost remedies for their treatments and although they sell their books, most if not all of their info and remedies can and is found for free on the internet.
Companies keep profitting on keeping us ignorant, so what do we really have to lose? Just our health and the health of our kids and loved ones... Hope this helps someone. Thanks EC!
I don't know if this will work, but i'm desperate. I have a 12 yr. old daughter who has missed 2 months of school because of mycoplasma infection. I saw where Debbie had wrote in and she lives in Tulsa. I would love to contact her and find out what doctor she see in Tulsa. I have had no help from doctors here and am DESPERATE for someone to help my daughter. Please help if you can.
EC: Donna, we do have an email address in the system for Debbie. Would you like us to send her your post and email address? We can't give out anyone's email address unless he/she gives us permission first.
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To Phil from Augusta, Ga. re B3 or niacinamide:
B3 is niacin and the real McCoy that causes the flushing. Niacinamide is supposedly the same stuff, except the part that causes the flushing has been removed. Maybe and maybe not. I have never read anywhere that the two different forms does exactly the same thing so I'll stick with Linus Pauling and the niacin he studied and reported on.
I don't see any problem with the flushing since your body quickly adapts to the niacin and the flushing is less, but you do still have to use common sense and start with a lower dose daily and build up to higher dosage as your body adjust to it, and adjust to the next higher dose when your body adjusts to that one. Common sense will also quickly tell you to not drink a hot cup of coffee or tea or other stimulant (caffinated beverage) along with your niacin. There are several good references on using niacin and how to gradually increase the dosage to that desired. I was told a few months back about a study that reported mice or rats given 250 mgm. niacin every 3 hours, halted and even reversed alzheimer's in them. I have been trying to find that study on line but haven't found it yet. For anyone really interested in learning more about this B3 vitamin, I suggest you go on line and start with Linus Pauling Institute.
Most patients didn't panic and think they were having an allergic reaction if they were told before hand that it would stimulate their circulation which caused the flushing, itchy & tingling sensation and that their body would adapt and quit reacting so strongly after a few days.
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Hello all. I know Ted is a very busy man, so I was thinking that maybe someone out there could possibly answer some questions for me.
About 4 years ago I was cutting grass and afterwards, I had this incrediable biting, itching, crawling, stinginging sesations on both of my forearms. ( no where else on my body did I have this ) I started out with medical doctors, that gave me creams to rub on my arms. Well the rash always came back and the doctor had told me she believed it to be a fungus or possible sand fleas. She wanted me to take stuff internaly like lamiseal,which can cause liver damage and the fact that she did not no what I even had on me.
So I made a decision to start researching natural cures and causes. I came to the conclusion that it must have been some kind of parasite or mites. After doing severeal suggestions here on earthclinic, mainly using borax interally and externally, the rash DID go away. However, every since then I get these pimple like bumps, that seem to appear in the same spots. I can pop them just as you would a pimple and they seem to go away, only to return later.
My condition, seems to be about 90% better. NO MORE rashes or red streaking on my arms, but sometimes itchy pimples.So I am thinking maybe I have mycoplasma or nano- bacteria left behind.
Ted tells of some stuff for these mycoplasma, but I am not totaly clear on the amounts to be taken. When he says, small amounts of H202 and Disoidium EDTA every hour for 12 hours. What would be consider small amounts??? He also mentions nicimade and at the end says B-3. Are these one in the same, because when I checked with the vitiman company nicimade was compleatly different product than was B-3. B-3 seemed to cause flushing where as niciamade did not. Which one would be correct or could you use either or? Also clove oil in one cup of water is this just once a day? One more question, anyone know how to make the Zinc chloride tooth paste?
I have looked high and low here on EC, and have not been able to find out. I do know that, it is possible for me to have over looked or not found certain information, that Ted may have already posted.
I love this site, Ted, Joyce, Deirdre and all the people who contribute to it. I do believe, THAT ALL of us should start PRINTING out the info on this site though. We never know when the goverenment or pharmacutical companies will attack us and take it all away!
Glad to find this wonderful site. I am also hoping to learn more about Borax and hydrogen peroxide use. About 15 yrs ago plus I was teaching el. school when I became very ill...had to stop teaching and my life fell a part. I did a ton of research and did not give up. I found Molecular Med. They did blood work on me and found me positive for the mycoplasma. I also have high titers for ebv...and others. My entire life took a change while teaching kindergarten,minding my own business, great hubby and kids...well, it all happened during the first Gulf War. I do anti biotics when I can tolerate it...and a truck load of supplements...like the rest of us. What has really worked for me? Tumeric, natural anti bacteria/viral remedies...like olive leaf...and many like herbal treamtent. The best ever so far tho is when I have hydrogen/dmso IV's...from our doc/ he is natural and medical. Most reecently in the past few years is this...and changed me a lot...the transfer factors for mycoplasmas and ebv viruses. ...and most wonderful with it is, beta glucan at several in the am. and afternoon. ...it has given my life back...but never like it once was way back when. I hope this helps someone and maybe you can help me...with all my heart I care and wonder how in the world did this all happen to me...when and where...and was I at the wrong spot at the wrong time. It doesn't matter now...life goes on and if it wasnt' for sites like this and care from other great people...I wonder where I'd be. Many thanks for Ted and his work...and YOU all out there. Debbie
I am want to rid my body of mycoplasmas. I cannot fine any where as to how long (day, months, etc.) to use Borax. I also noticed some people were doing 5 day on and 2 day off. Is this the recommended protocol for using Borax? I would appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks
Yes, I have heard nanobacteria and calcium issues decades before and I have heard this book they wrote sometime ago, which I thought was just old information! What their issue did not adequately cover is the mycoplasma link... killing the mycoplasma by the use of large dose niacinamide, and the carry over effect of the lyme disease towards nanobacteria, the preventive carry over effect of the nanobacteria in your mouth to the blood vessels using zinc chloride (5% concentration) treated toothpaste. I currently make my own zinc chloride toothpaste to prevent nanobacteria carry over effect to the bloodstream from the mouth. This is why I always recommend disodium EDTA as opposed to the use of calcium EDTA. I don't think these supplements company have any clue what they are doing since they have a bad habit of selling calcium EDTA instead of disodium EDTA! A disodium EDTA will chelate or remove serum calcium out, while a calcium EDTA does not. Another interesting fact is that a simple citric acid, or a citric acid+baking soda, to form a sodium citrate will help too. Clove oil will kill the nanobacteria inside provided that calcium is relentlessly attacked by a citrate, citric acid, disodium EDTA. Even a simple apple cider vinegar or simple vinegar will convert some calcium shells, primarily of calcium cabonate into calcium acetate, for example. A citric acid will attack calcium shells just as well. The secret is fasting, and drinking plenty of citric acid and ascorbic acid, or a simple lemon juice will do too.
The major worries about me concerning nanobacteria is the creation of calcium oxalates, which is relatively difficult to remove and very insoluble, but still possible to some extent with disodium EDTA. However, having plenty of bicarbonates (take baking soda) in the diet will prevent oxalic acid from entering the system thus preventing the formation of calcium oxalate, and prevents calcium oxalates from being protected by the nanobacteria.
It must be understood that these nanobacteria, are fungus-like in nature and killing them off is no easy matter, however, clove oil and vitamin B3 seems to do a fair job in this area, however all my research are preliminary as we all are busy working trying to pay the electric bills or something!
Don't know if I mentioned The Calcium Bomb by Doug Mulhall, but it is highly recommended by a local Naturopath here by the name of Dr. David Wood who has a lot of the latest research on it as well. They suspect nanobac may be at the source of a lot of disease and infection which is why chelation may be so effective for a lot of people. The edta breaks down the calcium shell that protects the nano bacteria. This is big news in Europe but still under wraps here because the patent has run out on the edta and there's no money in it for the drug companies! Regards