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10/21/2010: Pam from Marlborough, Ct, Usa: "Carly, I forgot to mention in my last post, that the doctor did test for arthritis, and Lyme disease. I also went to another doctor that said I had trigger finger, and gave me two shots in one hand, and said come back if this doesn't work. Well it worked for a week and then that was it. After a $300.00 bill for the visit that the insurance didn't pay for, and looking up trigger finger, and realized I don't have trigger finger or its symptoms I wasn't going back there. Thats when I found Earth Clinic. I am also going to try the ACV next week. Wish me luck. Thanks Pam"Replies
10/21/2010: Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa replies: "Hi Pam,
I swear, doctors make me wonder at times. I guess they are all just humans, and some are smarter than others, but sheesh. The shots never work long term - and they are so expensive too. My mom was getting them in her back, and they helped for a day or two. Crazy money, and doctors who have no idea what things *really* cost the consumer.
I've had doctors tell me I have arthritis. One said that the only way to not have it is to not be over 45. Well I AM, and I was not liking the arthritis! I really, REALLY think the Boron has taken care of this. I don't feel like any of my joints are hurting anymore.
I do still have the stupid body aches from the fibromyalgia, but they are under control for the most part. Winter is the "bad" time.... But I have upped the vitamin D this year, so we shall see if that keeps it in check.
On blood pressure -
I read something today while looking up an unrelated issue... But it had to do with blood pressure, so I thought of you. The article said that they did some test where 81% of the people in it lowered their BP meds after a year of eating 3-4 servings of potassium rich foods per day. "Lowering BP meds" isn't very specific, but hey, a glass of V-8 and a banana a day couldn't hurt anyway? :-)
Just another thing to look up and read about.
Glad to hear you are goig to try the ACV - I really think it lowers BP from what I have read. Well - I have posted another book - so easy to do when talking about health related issues! :-)Carly"
10/22/2010: Pam from Marlborough, Ct, Usa replies: "Hi Carly, I just posted another question about having a rapid heartbeat that lasts about three hours. I have woken up at about 4am the last two mornings with this. I went and looked up supplements, and I think I am taking to much Vitamin Bs. I guess I was just trying to get my hands better. They are feeling pretty good today. Talk about writing a book, I thought I would bring up this.
Last Nov. Just before Thanksgiving, I stepped on a screw and it went into my foot, just under my big toe. I went to the doctor, and they gave me antibiotics. Well to make a long story short my foot got infected and I was on antibiotics on and off until January, they couldn't get rid of the infection, said it was resistent bacteria. I finally didn't go back because my foot was somewhat better, My toe next to my big toe became infected, and I had to go back and was on more antibiotics until April. At that point they were making me feel sick. So when my toe was good enough I just stopped taking anything as I couldn't stomach it anymore. The reason I am bringing this up is my hands started giving me problems in January. I asked the doctor if this could be related to my foot, and they said probably not. Well thats why I thought I would bring this up and maybe you or someone out there would know if too many antibiotics or an infection could have caused this. Thanks for any help Pam"
10/22/2010: Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa replies: "Hi Pam,
It seems to me like the rapid heartbeat could be from taking too much of any of those things - but I remember reading that boron and magnesium are (antagonists?) or some such thing. I get a "fluttery" racing, skipping every once in a while when I am low on magnesium.
Stopping everything for a couple of days is probably a good idea, and then maybe add one thing in per week, and that way you can nail down what (if any) of the things you are taking are causing it. I believe Ted recommends taking two days off a week for most everything, and it does make sense to give the body a break from everything for a couple of days a week. I think I will start doing that too and see how it goes.
That infection sounds ugly! I have not a clue if it or the antibiotics could have cause the inflamation in your hands, but it is an interesting thought, and I would look into inflamitory reactions from wounds... There should be something on the search engines. I have not had a wound since reading about it, but if I do I plan on using good old iodine on it. It has amazing germ killing properties from what I have read, and I have a bottle on hand if (when)I need it. :)
What kind of antibiotics did they give you? Did they have a (fl) in their name? I think that means they were flouride based... So you might want to read on here about flouride, and what kind of crud THAT can do to a body. Flouride is used in many meds, and is also dumped in a lot of city water supplies. I used to get flouride treatements at the dentist, and I am fairly certain that as poisonous as it is, it is responsible for more than some of my issues. I no longer drink tap water unless it is from someone's well.
So, consider if you are getting enough magnesium, potassium, for the racing heart thing - or google something like "racing heart and vitamin or mineral symptoms" and see if anything strikes a chord? One more thing... Try not to stress over it, or it will be a self fulfilling nightly thing because of the stress! (I know, easier said than done, but just thought I would mention it ;)
Well, well, another book. Lol. I hope you are feeling better by the time you are reading this, Carly"
[SIDE EFFECTS] 10/14/2010: Pam from Marlborough, CT: "I started taking 3mg of Boron two days ago and started having heartburn. I am also taking vitamins and tumeric for my hands. I didn't take the Boron today and no heartburn, but took everything else. I have always taken it with a meal, does anyone have any suggestions to take it so there is no heartburn? Thanks Pam"Replies
10/15/2010: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe replies: "As with any supplement that is good for you but gives you side effects, back off to a smaller amount."
10/16/2010: Pam from Marlborough, Ct replies: "Didn't take boron for a day after thinging it gave me heartburn. Then gave it another try. I have taken it two days, no heartburn. Hands are steadily improving, can't believe it."
10/18/2010: Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa replies: "I am so glad to hear this Pam! Your heartburn may have been a coincidence... I had been hoping you would give the Boron another try. After all of the web searching I did on it, and how my hands feel - I am sold on taking Boron. (along with the VCO and ACV with BS). Thanks so much for posting your update - I am so happy it is working for you! ~Carly"
10/19/2010: Pam from Marlborough, Ct, Usa replies: "I was feeling better, but today I got of bed feeling stiff again. My hands hurt but not as bad as before, I hope this is just temporary, what are the other things you are taking, I haven't tried ACV yet, But I have been taking extra B vitamins together. Thanks Pam"
10/19/2010: Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa replies: "Hi Pam - It sounds like you are having success with the boron. :-) Don't let one bad day get you down. If you think back on what you did the day (or even two days) prior, you may find you over did it because your hands were feeling better! That is what I tend to do anyway... Go hell bent for leather on the days I am feeling great, and maybe have a rebound due to it. (I have fibromyalgia as well - which is a whole different ball of fun).
Okay, so since you asked - here is what I take every day. Everything I take I learned on Earth Clinic, and if you search the site for the different remedies you will see how others use these things, as there are many ways to take ACV, VCO, etc... Every Morning before I eat I take 2 tablesppons of Apple Cidar Vinegar (ACV) and add 1/2 TEAspoon of baking soda. When it is completely done fizzing I add about 8 ounces of water and then top it off with a splash of Orange juice. (just for flavor, and a little potassium). It is really good tasting to me. Later in the morning I have my ONE cup of coffee for the day. To the coffee I add 2 tablespoons of VCO (virgin coconut oil). Do not ever START at this amount... You have to work your way up to the VCO or you will have a herxheimer effect or stomach issues. I cook with it too, but in general don't use much oil overall. Anyway, back to that one cup of coffee... To the VCO I add 1/4 TEAspoon of turmeric. I was taking more, and it is AWESOME for inflamation, but it started to give me an upest stomach so I have cut back on it. If I could tolerate it, I would use more. You have to keep stirring it as you drink it though, as the oil floats on the top, and the turmeric settles on the bottom. This is an aquired taste. I like it now, but it was pretty gross at first. Then, throughout the day I use one of those 32 ounce sport bottles and to spring water (NON chlorinated, NO flouride - ie NOT tap water) water I add one ounce of Fulvic Acid and one packet of Emergen-C. Then througout the day I will take at least three more of the Emergen-C packets in water. This gives me 4,000mg of vitamin C and does not upset my digestive system. The Fulvic Acid provides trace amounts of a TON of minerals and has no taste at all to me when taken with the vitamin c. Other supplements I take daily are Magnesium Citrate - 400mg, B-100 complex, Boron - 3mg, Vitamin D - 2,000mg (twice a day), and maybe a 3mg melatonin at bedtime to sleep well. I don't take Calcium at all any more, after reading what Ted said about it on here. I try to eat a banana and tomato juice daily for potassium. Having low potassium can really cause problems. I have been doing all of the above for about a year now (except the Fulvic Acid - I started that this Summer, and the Boron which was just about a month or so ago that I started). I am not in perfect health mind you... But I am VERY much improved over how I felt a year ago.
Like I said - everything I have mentioned is here to read about on Earth Clinic, or out on the web. The more I read, the more I want to know. Lol. Sorry for writing a book, and I am sure I left something out - but for joint pain that Boron is STILL amazing me... I may have a day here or there with a bit of stiffness, but not the feeling of having had my hands slammed in a door like I had before. For the most part my hands are pain free! I am a 50 (in a couple of months anyway) year old woman, of average height and weight. My issues (challenges?) are Fibromyalgia, Joint Pain, Arthritis, An Upper Back "Thing", Ovarian Cysts, Fibroids. All of the above for 20 years, and all are improved. I don't spend full days in bed any more like I used to at least once a month.
Scattered thoughts, but if you are going to add any new things to your regime, I would only start one thing at a time, and start slowly.... Read, read, read about how others have gone about it before jumping off the diving board and you will not be sorry. :)
Best to you! Carly"
10/20/2010: Pam from Marlborough, Ct replies: "Carly, Thanks for getting back to me. I had a bad day yesterday, and you are right I was doing extra cleaning the day before, because my hands were feeling better. I took a Aleve last night, which I don't do often as it bothers my stomach. But today my hands are feeling much better, and I don't even need anything for pain. I am 58 and the only problems I have had are high blood pressure for about 5 years, inherited. My father had it bad and his mother too. So when I take anything new I watch to see if it helps, or hurts. I am on medicine for it, which I don't know if I will be able to get off ever. If I eat right and try not to stress, my pressure is pretty good. I noticed that the B vitimans have helped that also. The Tumeric hasn't bothered my stomach so I might try to increase that slowly. Thanks for everything. I am so glad I found this place, I am even starting to see my knuckles again as the swelling is going down. Thanks again Pam"
10/20/2010: Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa replies: "Hi Pam -
Glad to hear you are doing so well, and it was possibly just overdoing it that gave you a bad day or two. I am wondering now though - you say you are on meds for high BP... Did the knuckle swelling come on at the same time as you started taking the BP medicine? My mom had tremendous leg swelling after starting "Boniva" (not BP medicine, but just an example of what some drugs can do). Anyway, just a thought. I tend to have lower than normal blood pressure. I didn't start taking my BP until after I had been taking the ACV / Baking Soda for a few months though, so I am not sure if that is why. I believe I have always been fairly normal in that area, but have read where people have said the ACV lowers BP - so you might want to look into that and maybe give it a whirl. I wish that the tumeric didnt bother my stomach - lucky you! I really LIKE the taste of it now, and wish I could go for a second cup of coffee with it every day. Lol. Good luck to you, thanks for posting back - and please keep posting with your progress! :-) Carly"
10/21/2010: Pam from Marlborough, Ct, Usa replies: "Hi Carly, I have been on bp pills for about five years, and when I started having problems with my hands I went to the same doctor, he gave me prednizon, don't think thats spelled right, pills to take for a week, and said it was probably from over use, as I had a barn flood when we got all that rain in April, and me and my husband had to shovel a lot of wet bedding. Well they helped for a week, and that was it. I called him back and told him, and he said he had no answer to go to a specialist. He never mentioned he thought it might be from the pills. I am taking Cardizem and HcTZ 25mg once a day.
The past two nights though, my heart is beating faster than it usually does, so I am not taking the tumeric today or the boron, and am going to see if it changes, since that wasn't happening before. When I was just taking the B vitamins my heartbeat was nice and slow at night. I can usually tell when my bp is up without taking it. Then if I worry it goes up more. Well I will let know what happens, it may not be the tumeric or boron, just something I ate. Pam"
07/26/2011: Robyn241 from New Plymouth, New Zealand replies: "Regarding the fast heartbeats, get CALM Magnesium, it works for me, the liquid Calcium to get is Angstrom minerals Calcium. Both are available on US websites where I get it."