The Truth About Soy
Soy is an umbrella term to cover the entire variety of products that can be created from the seeds of the soybean plant. This includes edamame, soy milk, soy vegetable oil, tofu, textured vegetable protein, tempeh, and many more foods and food products.
As a health food, soy has equally enthusiastic proponents and detractors. Some see soy as an excellent natural remedy for everything from cancer to heart health. Others claim that it can have very negative effects on hormonal balance and child development; they may also be concerned about the possible contamination of soy products with GMO (genetically modified organisms) crops. In particular, soybeans contain phytoestrogens, organic compounds that mimic estrogen, a human hormone that can have mixed but powerful effects on the human body.
Many natural healthcare proponents suggest that fermented soy products are significantly safer and perhaps more beneficial than soy in unfermented forms.
Natural Cures: Some scientific studies have been undertaken showing soy products to have positive effects on prostate, colorectal, and breast cancer rates and morbidity. It has also been shown to promote higher brain functions.
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TED'S DEFENSE OF SOY
07/25/2006: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand: "For years I have tolerated growing onslaught of misinformation about Soy even though most studies relating to soy is quite positive. Today, I am angry and decided to post this myself.
If you don't believe me that soy is good for you, you don't have to! You can prove this for yourself! I will tell you how! The secret is here.
Do this: go to www.pubmed.org and do a search using the following keyword as follows:
- soy cancer
- soy dht
- soy testosterone
- soy estrogen
- soy osteoporosis
You will then learn the truth and you don't even have to believe me. I have done this for you already, and here are the summaries in case you don't have time! True information that I will post the research citations verbatim directly from research studies as follows:
1. DHT hormones (dihydrotestosterone) are the major cause of male hormone baldness. When lack of testosterone does not generate that much DHT stays on your head. The only known substance to reduce that is DHT.
2. Phytoestrogen has no effect on estrogen levels or hormone levels or even testosterone.
3. Soy helps with osteoporosis.
4. Soy reduces cancer and is used to treat cancer victims.
I will post the medical abstracts verbatim below.
Now the reason why such a relentless attack on soy is that there are ulterior motives from certain interest groups such as
1. Decreasing milk cows sales.
2. the use of genetically modified cows
3. the use of bovine growth hormones injected into cows which we drink and may cause obesity
4. The prevalence of mad cow's disease
5. The findings of a chemical toxins and toxic vaccines and might be found in cow's milk.
I am an Asian, here where I live we actually consume more soy milk then even fermented soy products. And it has kept us relatively low of osteoporosis.
Because of so much bombardment against soy, I will not put any thing here besides research abstract below. Ted"
Nope: soy does not effect testosterone:
Serum prostate-specific antigen but not testosterone levels decrease in a randomized soy intervention among men.
Maskarinec G, Morimoto Y, Hebshi S, Sharma S, Franke AA, Stanczyk FZ.
1Cancer Research Center of Hawaii, University of Hawaii, Honolulu, HI, USA.
Background: Low prostate cancer incidence and high soy intake in Asian countries suggest a possible protective effect of soy foods against prostate cancer. The goal of this pilot study was to evaluate the feasibility of a randomized, crossover soy trial among men and to investigate the effects of daily soy intake on serum prostate-specific antigen (PSA) and testosterone levels.Methods:We randomized 24 men to a high or a low soy diet for 3 months. After a 1-month washout period, the men crossed over to the other treatment. During the high soy diet, the men consumed two daily soy servings; during the low soy diet, they maintained their usual diet. During the entire study each man donated four blood samples and five overnight urine samples. Dietary compliance was assessed by soy calendars, 24-h dietary recalls, and urinary isoflavone excretion measured by high-pressure liquid chromatography with photodiode array detection. Blood samples were analyzed for serum testosterone and PSA by radioimmunoassay. When necessary, variables were log transformed. Two sample t-tests compared the two groups before each study period. Mixed models incorporating the repeated measurements were used to evaluate the effect of the soy diet on urinary isoflavone excretion and serum analytes.Results:Twenty-three men aged 58.7+/-7.2 years completed the study. The compliance with the study regimen was high according to self-reported soy food intake and urinary isoflavone excretion. No significant between-group and within-group differences were detected. During the high soy diet, dietary isoflavone intake and urinary isoflavone excretion increased significantly as compared to the low soy diet. A 14% decline in serum PSA levels (P=0.10), but no change in testosterone (P=0.70), was observed during the high soy diet in contrast to the low soy diet.Conclusion:The high adherence as shown by three measures of compliance in this pilot trial demonstrated the feasibility of an intervention based on soy foods among free-living men.European Journal of Clinical Nutrition advance online publication, 14 June 2006; doi:10.1038/sj.ejcn.1602473.
PMID: 16775579 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
Asians have less osteporosis because of soy milk consumption! We consume more soy milk then the so called fermented things that Dr. Mercola claims!
Osteoporosis prevention education programme for women. Chan MF, Ko CY.
School of Nursing, The Hong Kong Polytechnic University, Hung Hom, Hong Kong SAR, China. hsmfchan@inet.polyu.edu.hk
AIM: This paper reports an evaluation of a nurse-initiated education programme on four specific osteoporosis prevention behaviours which led to their adoption or to positive attitude changes.
BACKGROUND: In the past, osteoporosis was a serious health concern that most commonly affected women in Northern Europe and the United States of America, but was less commonly seen in Asian women. However, in Hong Kong, osteoporosis is currently among the top five conditions causing disability and prolonged hospital stay for older people. From an economic perspective, the most cost-effective approach is to focus on primary prevention via education, and nurses often have the responsibility of providing such educational programmes.
METHOD: A randomized controlled study was conducted from July 2004 to March 2005 with 76 women (38 cases and 38 controls) recruited in two private beauty clinics in Hong Kong. Pre-, post- and follow-up education data were compared regarding attitudes and adoption frequency before and after the education programme. RESULTS: The results showed statistically significant increases for each behaviour: consumption of soy foods (P < 0.001), milk (P < 0.001), more exercise (P = 0.01) and vitamin D/exposure to sunlight (P < 0.001) for the case group compared with the control group. Most participants either disagreed (n = 15, 39.0%) or strongly disagreed (n = 23, 61.0%) that there was not enough information provided in the education programme to motivate them to change. They rated the nurse's performance as either satisfactory or very satisfactory on presentation, ability to answer their questions and ability to describe each behaviour clearly.
CONCLUSION: Although positive results with a nurse-initiated education programme were demonstrated, future research examining the effects of education and occupation on these four adoption behaviours should focus on more diverse populations with respect to age, income or ethnicity. The findings suggest the value of creative approaches in future health education for the prevention of osteoporosis, and the need for a critical appraisal of current strategies and a re-evaluation of services and funding.
PMID: 16553702 [PubMed - in process]
A rat study confirms improved bone when fed with soy
Soy affects trabecular microarchitecture and favorably alters select bone-specific gene expressions in a male rat model of osteoporosis.
Soung DY, Devareddy L, Khalil DA, Hooshmand S, Patade A, Lucas EA, Arjmandi BH.
Department of Nutrition, Food & Exercise Sciences, Florida State University, 436 Sandels Bldg, Tallahassee, Florida, 32306-1493, USA, arjmand@okstate.edu.
We have recently reported that soy isoflavones particularly when provided in the context of soy protein are capable of preventing loss of bone mineral density due to orchidectomy in F344 rats. We hypothesize, that soy isoflavones also exert beneficial effects on bone microstructural properties, in part, by enhancing bone formation. Therefore, in the present study, we examined the dose-dependent effects of soy isoflavones on femoral bone microarchitectural properties and select bone-specific gene expressions in the same rat model. Seventy-two, 13-month old rats were either orchidectomized (ORX; 5 groups) or sham-operated (Sham; 1 group) and immediately placed on dietary treatments for 180 days. Four of the ORX groups were fed either casein- or soy protein-based diets each with one of two doses of isoflavones either 600 or 1200 mg/kg diet. Rats in the remaining ORX control and Sham groups were fed a control casein-based diet. Soy protein at the high isoflavone dose, and to a lesser extent with the lower dose, reduced the magnitude of the ORX-induced decreases in trabecular bone volume (BV/TV) and trabecular number (Th.N) and increase in trabecular separation (Tb.Sp) at the femoral neck site. These modulations of trabecular microstructural properties by isoflavones may be due to increased mRNA levels of alkaline phosphatase (ALP), collagen type I (COL), and osteocalcin (OC), which are associated with enhanced bone formation. These findings confirm our earlier observations that the modest bone protective effects of soy isoflavones are due to increased rate of bone formation.
PMID: 16830200 [PubMed - in process
Soy reduces dangerous DHT that causes you to go bald But yet had no effect on good hormones!
1: J Nutr. 2005 Mar;135(3):584-91.
Soy protein isolates of varying isoflavone content exert minor effects on serum reproductive hormones in healthy young men.
Dillingham BL, McVeigh BL, Lampe JW, Duncan AM.
Department of Human Biology and Nutritional Sciences, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1, Canada.
Inverse associations between soy and prostate cancer and the contribution of hormones to prostate cancer prompted the current study to determine whether soy protein could alter serum hormones in men. Thirty-five men consumed milk protein isolate (MPI), low-isoflavone soy protein isolate (SPI) (low-iso SPI; 1.64 +/- 0.19 mg isoflavones/d), and high-iso SPI (61.7 +/- 7.35 mg isoflavones/d) for 57 d each in a randomized crossover design. Twenty-four-hour urine samples indicated that urinary isoflavones were significantly increased by the high-iso SPI relative to the low-iso SPI and MPI. Serum collected on d 1, 29, and 57 of each treatment revealed that dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and DHT/testosterone were significantly decreased by the low-iso SPI [9.4% (P = 0.036) and 9.0% (P = 0.004), respectively] and the high-iso SPI [15% (P = 0.047) and 14% (P = 0.013), respectively], compared with the MPI at d 57. Other significant effects included a decrease in testosterone by the low-iso SPI relative to the MPI (P = 0.023) and high-iso SPI (P = 0.020) at d 29; an increase in dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate by the low-iso SPI relative to the MPI at d 29 (P = 0.001) and relative to the MPI (P = 0.0003) and high-iso SPI (P = 0.005) at d 57; and increases in estradiol and estrone by the low-iso SPI relative to the MPI at d 57 (P = 0.010 and P = 0.005, respectively). In conclusion, soy protein, regardless of isoflavone content, decreased DHT and DHT/testosterone with minor effects on other hormones, providing evidence for some effects of soy protein on hormones. The relevance of the magnitude of these effects to future prostate cancer risk requires further investigation.
PMID: 15735098 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Soy is used in cancer treatment!! Cancer causing? You have been lied to by the Cow's milk consortium! Yes it protects against Prostate Cancer!
Effects of a diet rich in phytoestrogens on prostate-specific antigen and sex hormones in men diagnosed with prostate cancer.
Dalais FS, Meliala A, Wattanapenpaiboon N, Frydenberg M, Suter DA, Thomson WK, Wahlqvist ML.
International Health and Development Unit, Monash University, Clayton, VIC, Australia.
OBJECTIVES: To determine the effects of diets rich in soy and linseed compared with a control diet on biochemical markers of prostate cancer in men diagnosed with prostate cancer. METHODS: Twenty-nine men diagnosed with prostate cancer and scheduled to undergo a radical prostatectomy were randomized to one of three groups: soy (high phytoestrogen), soy and linseed (high phytoestrogen), or wheat (low phytoestrogen). A bread was specially manufactured to incorporate 50 g of heat-treated (HT) soy grits or 50 g of HT soy grits and 20 g of linseed as part of the study participant's daily diet. Baseline and preoperative levels of prostate-specific antigen (PSA), free PSA, testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, free androgen index, and dihydrotestosterone were measured. RESULTS: Statistically significant differences were detected between the HT soy grits group and the control wheat group for the percentage of change in total PSA (-12.7% versus 40%, P = 0.02) and the percentage of change in free/total PSA ratio (27.4% versus -15.6%, P = 0.01); and between the HT soy grits group and the HT soy grits and linseed group for the percentage of change in free androgen index (16.4% versus -15.5%, P = 0.04) and the percentage of change in free/total PSA ratio (27.4% versus -10%, P = 0.007). CONCLUSIONS: The data from this study indicate that a daily diet containing four slices of a bread rich in HT soy grits favorably influences the PSA level and the free/total PSA ratio in patients with prostate cancer. This work provides some evidence to support epidemiologic studies claiming that male populations who consume high phytoestrogen diets have a reduced risk of prostate cancer development and progression.
PMID: 15351581 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Genistein and daizein is o.k.
Genistein and daidzein downregulate prostate androgen-regulated transcript-1 (PART-1) gene expression induced by dihydrotestosterone in human prostate LNCaP cancer cells. Yu L, Blackburn GL, Zhou JR.
Nutrition/Metabolism Laboratory, Department of Surgery, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02215, USA.
Epidemiologic investigations and laboratory studies suggest that bioactive soy phytochemical components may be used as an effective dietary regimen for prevention of prostate cancer. Studies designed to identify new genes that are responsive to androgens and are sensitive to the prevention of prostate cancer using soy bioactive components have become a research priority. In this study, we determined the effect of soy isoflavones on the expression of prostate androgen-regulated transcript 1 (PART-1), a newly discovered androgen-induced gene that may represent a novel androgen-dependent prostate cancer tumor marker. In an androgen-depleted cell culture system, 5alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) induced expression of PART-1 transcript in androgen-sensitive LNCaP, but not in androgen-independent DU 145 or PC-3 human prostate cancer cells. The soy isoflavones genistein and daidzein dose-dependently inhibited DHT-induced expression of the PART-1 transcript. Genistein at 50 micro mol/L completely inhibited expression of the PART-1 transcript in LNCaP cells induced by DHT at 0.1 and 1.0 nmol/L. Daidzein was less potent than genistein, whereas glycitein at the same levels as genistein or daidzein did not inhibit DHT-induced PART-1 transcript expression. Our studies suggest that use of the PART-1 gene as a biomarker for evaluating the efficacy of soy isoflavones on androgen-dependent prostate cancer warrants further investigation.
PMID: 12566472 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"
Replies12/08/2011: Jordan from Lincoln, Nebraska Usa replies: "So I am sure that there are no alterior motives pushing soy? No certain interest groups, multinational companies or goverments who might benefit from more soy being sold?If you are going to post something like this on the internet at least be non biased. I dare you to find five studies that just as staunchly will tell you how bad soy is. Just because you can copy and paste is no excuse to think you are right.
I was just reading this little tid bit before I ran accross this.
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/11/2584.full
Funny how if you only look at papers supporting your point of view, you end up looking right. Be the devils advocate to your own point of view."
12/09/2011: Francisca from Zug, Zug, Switzerland replies: "I understand where you are coming from Jordan.... I have never understood how we have come to be in this place. We live in a society where no one seems to know anything anymore! Everything can kill you or be of great help, amazing! From all I have read I won't touch unfermented soy and I am very sorry that I gave soy formula to two of my daughters when they were babies, is Ted right? I have no clue but as I don't really feel like trying out soy and I don't drink milk anyway for me it is not a problem! But too bad we live in a society where no one seems to be able to make up their minds on anything, leaving people not know what to do! It is like playing Russian roulette...."
12/09/2011: Rob from Manhattan, Ny replies: "I agree with Ted.. The strongest proofs are in the epidemiological studies. Japan for instance. That said there is propably a percentage that have adverse reactions to it. One should definitely choose organic as Monsanto has been manipulating this one as a "Roundup Ready" crop. (as well as Canola) Truly an evil company but that's another topic..I also point to Weil's view here after reconsidering new evidence...
12/09/2011: Jen from Bozeman, Mt, Us replies: "I am truly thankful that we live in a world where we are free to make our own decisions. The only problem is that not everyone is willing to research everything they put in and on their bodies. But they have the choice to do so and that is wonderful. I myself choose not to eat, drink, or put soy on my body. That does not mean that I disagree with Ted but that I have researched the subject and have chosen for myself and my family to steer clear of it. As my family has thyroid problems I have decided that there is too much evidence against it for people with thyroid disease. I also do not know much about how to prepare organic home made soy and therefore do not trust that it is healthy for me or my family.I do not believe that Ted has sided with the certain interest groups, multinational companies or goverments on this topic as he is always willing to offer help that is unconventional and unbiased. His post was a long time ago so things change and will keep changing depending on different diseases popping up, studies being done, and lawsuits being faught. Some day soy will be back on the ok list just like eggs and dairy are now. There is no doubt that certain interest groups, multinational companies and governments will always try to sway the people into taking or not taking certain foods and supplements but we are free to decide (at least for the time being) if we will follow the rest of the herd or choose to do the unconventional."
12/09/2011: Susan from San Francisco, Ca replies: "My two cents worth on soy - 1) The soy that is good for you is formented soy (miso is one example) - 2) Why is soy in the ingredients lists of thousands (... Hundreds?) of products? Because the people who grow soy are the same people who grow corn (think high fructose corn syrup). Soy is cheap to grow so it gets pushed as being a health benefit and is now hard to avoid."
12/09/2011: Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West South Africa replies: "Hi Jen, I fully agree with you, phytoestrogens in soy is 2nd to flax, I will strongly advise people to stay away from anything that contains phytoestrogens, it makes girls out of boys & girls are reaching puberty earlier than they should. Men lose testoterone & suffer from ED. Estogen dominance is a very serious thing. Look up estrogen dominance & research it & you will never touch soy & flax seeds again. Then there xenoestogens in plastic, chemical sprays etc that disrupt your hormones."
03/11/2012: Quixote from Las Vegas, Nv replies: "I am very interested in Ted's info about Soy as I had only heard one other person an MD say it was good for men bu, it seems everyone else thinks it is bad-so would Ted say that if you get the NON GMO soy would he recommend it for reasons stated?Love the website by the way, Quixote"
03/11/2012: Quixote from Las Vegas, Nv replies: "I am very interested in Ted's info about Soy as I had only heard one other person an MD say it was good for men bu, it seems everyone else thinks it is bad-so would Ted say that if you get the NON GMO soy would he recommend it for reasons stated?Love the website by the way, Quixote"
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SOY DANGERS
02/17/2012: Cat from Tauranga, New Zealand: "However, this was not my actual question; which concerns whether soy products are really as healthy as the food industry likes to portray them? The main principle lies in the amount, because too much is unhealthy, as you always say.
Basically soy is a high-quality plant protein in which Isoflavones are also contained in large quantities in the form of phytoestrogens. Nevertheless, the protein and the Isoflavones, as well as other substances of soy, are in no way harmless. In particular with long-term consumption of large quantities, the Isoflavones effect the hormone balance quite critically.
However, all the other soy substances are not harmless either, which is why they should be used as food only with sufficient caution or not at all. In particular no kind of food for children should contain any soy products at all, because with regard to the Isoflavones, especially the health of babies, toddlers and adolescents is impaired by soy products and in other respects health is seriously damaged. Already less than one quarter of a milligram of Isoflavones per one kilogram of body weight per day can cause very bad and irreparable health defects in children of every age, namely in relation to consciousness activity, the brain, the intelligence, the world of thought and feeling, the psyche, the physical body and the behaviour pattern etc.
If pregnant women consume soy products it can lead to heavy and irreparable damages to the foetus' body, limbs, nerves, cerebrum and muscles as well as to body deformations. More than a quarter of a milligram of Isoflavones per kilo of body weight should not be given to babies and toddlers under any circumstances.
Said with easy and generally understandable words and concepts, soy products of all kind, because of their toxic ingredients, in larger quantities are even capable of impairing the health of strong adults and to cause serious damage, which can lead to growth of tumours, respectively cancer and to the fostering of brain-, consciousness and behavioural disorders, personality changes and to infertility.
Especially breast cancer in women and men is often caused by soy products, as well as depression and Parkinson's, namely in particular when a hereditary disposition exists for it. Also Alzheimer's and dementia can be results of an excess of the Isoflavones, as well as an impairment of eyesight, the taste buds, the ability to concentrate, the moral balance and various other important life factors.
Then what ought to be the amount of soy that the adult may take? The quantity depends on the concentration of Isoflavones, of which a person should consume no more than half a milligram per kilo of body weight daily if he does not want to be impaired toxically. This means that a person of 70 kilograms of body weight should not consume soy products that exceed 35 milligrams of Isoflavones. However, with soy consumption this amount is reached very quickly.
This is indeed the case, because already a normal soy drink of 2.5 dl in size contains about 30 milligrams of Isoflavones.
And what is the case with drugs made of soy respectively concerning their Isoflavones? Such drugs are in no way recommend, if, on one hand, they are not adjusted for the body weight, and, on the other hand, are taken for too long a time, or if the person is especially susceptible with regard to Isoflavones
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3513607.stm
I recall reading somewhere that tofu, miso etc (the fermented types of soy) are safe and that's why Asians have no problems with their consumption of soy. It's really only the western world that has decided to include soy in so many products (canned tuna for instance) and this is where the problems lies. Check the labels in your pantry and you'll be amazed at how much soy we're consuming, to our detriment!!!"
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SOY FEEDBACK
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12/29/2011: Debbie from Melbourne, Australia : "I came across this article on the dangers of soy being hidden in our foods. I think everyone should read it. It says that soy is high in antrinutrients and blocks nutrients being digested in the digestive tract. It can affect masculinity and drive down fertility. Women eating large quantities of soy can experience hair thinning amongst other things. Consumption can according to the article lead to thyroid disfunction.
It certainly is getting harder to try to avoid getting very sick these days and it is hidden using various names in most processed foods. Along with MSG and aspartame you wonder what Governments are doing to the worldwide population.
No wonder our kids minds are being turned to mush. I would be interested in others thoughts on this.
http://www.justmindpower.com/Soy.html"
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06/28/2011: Natalie from Sonoma, Ca: "Just like everything else, moderation is the key. EVERYTHING is bad for you if you take it repeatedly every single day. Most of the problems that arise from soy occur when it's taken with extreme frequency. We rarely see this with other food groups and they would probably have their own health drawbacks. Pure oxygen is actually bad for you, but since we breathe it in a mixture of gases our bodies can take it and it becomes not only extremely beneficial, but vital- moderation.
Another good point is that everyone's body is different. If something is making you sick you should stop having it. Dairy gives me stomach problems but I'm not going to assume suddenly that it's poisonous for everyone. There are so many diet fads and extremist views that people "swear" by with food when the reality is you need to just use common sense and eat intuitively. I personally love soy, I eat tofu or drink a glass of soymilk often and I've never experienced any health problems from it. Also, if we examine diets of other cultures, Japan is known for the longevity of its people (outliving Americans on average by nearly ten years) and they have a diet that's rich in soy. That may not be the reason why they are living so long, but it's clear that soy isn't killing them off.
Clearly, there is conflicting research, but the backlash against soy is sudden and extreme, much like, well, a fad. It's very "in" right now to hate soy, just like back when it became very "in" to love soy when it became popular in America."
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02/19/2011: Tybrid from San Jose, Ca: "Hello Ted and all. Although I really appreciate you Ted and the Earthclinic site for all of the invaluable information that has helped me and countless others in our quest for excellent health and well being, I have to strongly disagree with you on your stance on soy and that soy is overall good for you and safe. I am of the belief that for the most part, soy is not good for us, in its natural state (very toxic and has to be highly processed for people to consume). Isoflvones have been shown to be estrogenic. It is not just the dairy companies that slam soy as their ulterior motive is obvious. There are so many natural, holistic, naturopaths, sports nutritionists, alternative scientist and others who are saying the same negative things about soy and some of them have the actual clinical studies to support this. But my own personal negative experience with soy, which was validated in such a way by a well known chiropractor/naturopath whose main supplement he sales is a soy formula. Some background. I used to be a personal trainer and a natural, drug free bodybuilder(before the show, you are put under a polygragh and urine is tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs) , fitness model, etc. Well at one point, I remember hearing from my TCM (Traditional Chinese herbalist) to eat more tofu and soy as well from this well known natural chiropractor to reduce amount of animal protein and eat more soy. Well, I did this, I switcehd to a soy based protein meal replacement... About 4 days in using this, I felt like crap and my drive (all of my drives) drive for life, energy, libido, all of that was gone as if never existed. This was shocking as I have a natural strong drive and a go-getter. I was doing some research and stumbled upon many articles on how soy mimics estrogen and negatively effects testosterone in the body. I immediately stopped taking soy and went back to egg protein, grassfed beef with the fat and noticed almost overnight how my testosterone levels and drive went back to normal. Going back to this well know chiro, who promoted an anti-cancer/disease program and whose main supplements was soy protein. I was one of the biggest seller of his products, books etc in the country but after my experience with soy and all the research I did, I questioned him about this and his response or lack of response was even more proof to me, that soy is not as good for us as we have been led to believe... I had dinner with this natural doctor and he was willfuilly answering all of my questions until, I asked him about soy and the negative effects on testosterone and increased estrogen and why as a man, I would want to take anything that would increase estrogen in my body. He simply stopped chewing his food, put his fork down and paused as he was thinking on how to respond. He then replied, "No comment" and kept eating as if the question was never asked. I took this as a yes, there is validity to the negative effects of soy (fermented soy like soy sauce, etc is not as toxic but in excess still negatively effects the hormones) as well as years of my own research especially with athletes and sports doctors, etc.
Go to www.mercola.com or drwongradio. com (Naturopathic doctor who has podcasts about alternative health much about dangers of soy and estrogen excess); Dianne Gregs site: http://hiddensoy.com/ etc., Ori Hoffmekler author of the Warrior Diet and The Anti-Estrogen Diet. They all can't be wrong coming from the alternative and holistic community but I encourage anyone curious about soy on whether or not it is right for them, to do their "due diligence" and research both the pros and cons and then make an educated decison...
so, thanks again Ted for keeping us informed and I appreciate this site in where we can freely agreed to disagree...
T"
02/21/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Some people are allergic to soy and soy is not good in that instances. But whether it is dangerous for all human consumption is another matter. I am aware of Mercola and most of the points he raised is not substantiated in pubmed.org. I don't have time at the moment to go point by point. I do use soy in many serious medical conditions such as cancer and osteoporosis, so it helps if you just do a point by point search in medical journals at pubmed. All clients here in Bangkok are pro soy since there were greatly helped. In any case what works for you doesn't work for someone else. My time right now is greatly limited to very grave disease and should you have time to visit me in Bangkok I can go point by point very easily.Ted"
02/21/2011: Lanos from Socalifornia, Usa replies: "Tybrid is absolutely correct, stay away from soy products. My experience with it was very regretful. Never give soy products to infants or children. Thyroid and other problems with the glandular system can occur."
02/21/2011: Annon from Anywhere, Usa replies: "Lanos wrote: 02/21/2011: Lanos from Socalifornia, Usa writes: "Tybrid is absolutely correct, stay away from soy products. My experience with it was very regretful.
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Hey, Lanos - Maybe you should just pray to God over it, and then take it anyway. Refering to your other post, and your condescending attitude.
GOD BLESS."
[NAY] 02/22/2011: Kay from Atlanta, Georgia replies: "I was an avid soy/tofu/tempeh eater & soy-milk drinker, however that changed completely in 2006. I began having extremely heavy menstrual cycles, cramping and headaches during every cycle which went from 6 days to 10 days.
The final threat was an incident at work while on my cycle, I got up to walk to a colleauges office and as I stoood approximately 2 to 3 cups of blood poured out of my body. I now know that to be "flooding".
My GYN doctor immediately put me on Progesterone hormone therapy, which worked temporarily. The progesterone was to aid in balancing my hormone levels of estrogen & progesterone.
She advised that the fibroids had grown very large (the size of a 6 week pregnancy) in my uterine walls.
I learned that Soy has high traces of estrogen and this is what aided to the growth of fibroids.
Sadly, I had to have surgery in 2008. It was very traumatic and I even ended up with a large keloid scar.
After the surgery, I limited soy and replaced soy-milk with almond milk.
In December 2010, I decided to become vegan and again increased my soy/tofu/tempeh, again, my fibroids are back and my doctor has advised that I will need to have surgery again.
I am convinced that the soy products added extra dosages of estrogen which contributed to the growth and regrowth of my fibroids.
It's obvious that all people do not react the same to foods and/or drugs. But, similiar to medications and the listed possible side effects, the same should always be stated with any reference or suggestion to natural remedies or supplements.
Thank you."
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[NAY] 07/21/2010: Janna from London, Uk : "I just wanted to comment on the dangers of soya milk for the infants. I didn't read closely about the dangers of soya milk products because as a family we do not really consume them. However, my son who is now 7 years old and who had been on soya formula since the age of 4.5 month till perhaps 22 month. At about two years of age he started drinking cow's milk with no problems. Before had terrible intolerance to it and this soya formula was the only way for me to get him fed. Well, I did listen to the doctors (sadly) and had no idea that goat milk could be a substitute. In my family we are usually all healthy with good genes. In my husband's more or less also. With this in mind, I was taken aback when my son got pneumonia at 2 y.o. Then a few month later it reoccurred. Second time he needed oxygen mask as well. And this condition reoccurred again soon after. I became desperate. In the end we got it under control with salbutamol. The diagnosis wasn't asthma. But some kind of bronkho. . . Spasms. We had been using salbutamol constantly till he was 4 y.o. Then all of a sudden this breathing problem of his was gone. But soon came a new one - heavy allergy to mold that resulted in him no longer being able to properly breath through the nose. It also made him so susceptible to developing severe cough as soon as got a cold. He is otherwise fine - intelligent, very fit and tall. But he does have very strange behavior sometimes. I even thought of taking him to see a psychologist. He likes to annoy every one in the house, cannot find occupation for himself on his own - he craves attention all the time! I've got another boy, 2y.o. who I breast-fed till he was 15 month. Of course, I compare the two often. The younger one is much healthier - no pneumonia, allergies, coughs or bronkho spasms. No attention cravings! And is just as fit, tall and strong and a clever one too. God, if I had only known then what kind of long-term harm I would cause my child with this soya formula!"
Replies07/28/2010: Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France replies: "I am also a mother of two children who were fed with soy formula because they were lactose intolerant. I had no idea of the risks or else I wouldn't have done it. The oldest who had lactose free formula had no problems, the two youngest, fed with soy formula had a lot of eczema, the youngest had severe respiratory infections during the first year of her life and now has asthma. I have no idea whether this all comes from the soy formula but I have read that they can have hormonal problems through their lives. I really feel bad about this as I have always tried to give my daughters a lot of love and the best of care! They were also given fluoride tablets by the doctor and used them for a number of years when they were small! This is not done anymore though...But that doesn't help my daughters. I have heard that soy formula is nowadays only prescribed under doctor's supervision (maybe they should ban it alltogether...)"
07/29/2010: Elsaeasterly from Elsewhere, Ca, Usa replies: "Francisca,
I was fed soy formula as an infant, and I do not know of any health problems that I have ( I don't have many) that are connected to soy. That being said, knowing what I know now, I certainly would not give a soy formula to an infant, but I wouldn't worry about the past too much. By the way, you have said that you grew up in Portugal and now live in France (correct?), but your English seems flawless. What's your secret?"
07/30/2010: Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France replies: "Hi Elsaeasterly, thanks for your kind words about my use of the English language! Funny enough I only lived in England for a few months when I was 18 (now 53) but my husband is British and we have been together for almost 5 years. Still, when I went to live in England at 18 they considered my English so good that although there was no place for me to study English in Harrow College they were prepared to let me do the course. Being 18 I decided that I didn't feel like it (very silly, I know... ). I started learning English at school when I was 12 and read mostly in English from then on, many, many books. One of my daughters started speaking English fluently at the age of 7 (in Holland) and even translated for the teachers at school when a Canadian girl moved there. She had never had a lesson. Thanks again for your words.... I surely do my best..."
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[NAY] 05/30/2010: Billie from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia: "i became a vegetarian and started drinking soy milk at the age of 16..i started using it in everything...i got up to the point of drinking about 1 ltr every day 1.5 days...i loved it!! i was addicted to drinking tea with creamy original soy...i had it on everything...
At the age of 25 my period started slowing down in frequency, between the age of 25-30 i was only having about 3-6 "clotty" 2day periods a year and i developed a big thick chunk in the middle of my neck "swollen thyroid", i had ultra sounds on it apparently it was "normal" "its just more visible due to your slim neck"...i saw many doctors and had tests but they all told me i was fine and to just go on the pill if i wanted to regulate my period...this was not an option for me...i started worrying about my fertility, would i ever be able to get pregnant.
Then at the age of 30.5 my mum read an article about the bad side of soy milk and she told me to get off it quickly....
So i switched to rice milk and 28 days later i got a 5 day period and 2yrs on i have been getting them every 28days..my swollen thyroid has even slimed down :-)....oh and within 5 months of stopping soy milk i got pregnant.
For me this is proof enough...the oestrogen in the soy was messing up my natural cycle...
well thats my story."
06/02/2010: Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France replies: "I have been reading a lot about unfermented soy products lately and all the problems they create. My children were born in Holland. They all three had lactose intolerance. The oldest was given formula without lactose but at the time the youngest two were born soy was already in fashion and they were prescribed soy formula by the doctor. Back then one didn't think twice about what the doctor prescribed so we had no problem with it. As I understand now it can cause them problems for the rest of their lives. Soy formula is now only prescribed in cases the baby is watched closely by the doctor. But I ask myself... why still prescribe it at all? They say that it is the same as giving a new born one to two anticonception pills....... Who on earth would do that? I don't know whether to tell the news to my daughters but I think that I ought too. Their doctor should know because in case they indeed have a problem it might be easier to solve if the doctor knows they have had this terrible formula when they were babies."
06/02/2010: Billie from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia replies: "yes i think you should definitely tell your daughters...im so glad my mum told me about what she had read about soy milk...i saw alot of doctors and none of them seemed too interested in my lack of periods...i kept hearing "just go on the pill to regulate"One man even sat back in his chair and put his hands behind his head and told me that..."can i ask you how much you weigh" when i told him i have always been a petite 45kgs no matter how much i eat and my parents and friends aren't concerned about my weight because they know my eating habbits, he then said in a patronising way..."well you do relies your the weight of alot of anorexic girls and when you starve you body you most likely stop menstruating" i couldn't believe it....that was the last time i saw him...it was probably easier for him to put me in a box with his conclusion.
i feel that alot of western trained doctors really don't want to believe there is any relation between herbal/natural remedies and health...its too easy to just prescribe a pill.
My youngest brother was bought up on soy milk as he was severely allergic to dairy...he had lots of issues with his health in his early years....he is now 18yrs and as my mum tells me he has confided in her that he has a very small "little friend" (& he just ended up in hospital with enlarged cysts on his testicles) he also has a strange voice which sounds high and blocked...too much oestrogen? i have 2 other brothers that were fine with dairy that have no problems like he has...a coincidence or fluke?
i still eat tofu and temphe as im sure these are good for you...
since i stopped soy milk everything is back to normal im happy to say.."
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[YEA] 05/09/2010: Steve from Atlanta, Georgia: "Ted is correct in distinguishing between fermented and non-fermented soy. 93% of soy in the USA is non-organic, hence the natural confusion for consumers who don't know the difference. In fact, there are 10,000 species of soy which adds to the challenge to evaluate it properly.
The National Cancer Insitute spent $20 million and concluded that soy when fermented had the most anti-carcinagenic properties.
When processed at a low temperature and hydrolyzed and nitrogenated into a beverage it has been a very effective alternative for treating advanced cancer patients as well as Crohn's disease, and other auto-immune illnesses.
It is a powerful immune booster and harnesses the body's natural healing powers more than most realize.
regards,
Steve Becker
Atlanta Ga"
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03/07/2010: Claudia from Hoor, Skane, Sweden: "Ted, hi and thanx for your always amazing bank of knowledge. I personally love soy products, from the taste to the known benefits. My mom is now suffering from severe osteoporois; it's awful and sad to watch her suffer. On a personal note, I used to eat a lot of soy for the obvious reasons - found I could not digest it. My Naturopath told me I was allergic (due to the symptoms I was having) - he also mentioned that so much of the soy we now have is GMO so the that in itself kind of negates the benefits. Am wondering :
A. Do you know of a way to ensure one is not getting GMO product?
B. What can someone like myself do who has allergic reactions to soy (gastric distress, etc).
Thanx so much for all your help!
regards,
Claudia"
03/07/2010: Robt from Manhattan, New York replies: "Hi Claudia, (in addition to Ted's advice)you may want to consider adding Natto to your diet. Especially for your Mom. There are studies linking it's use to increased bone density. http://www.isoflavones.info/isoflavones-abstracts.php?article=menaquinone
I buy mine from a local Japanese store and purchase organic which hopefully ensures non GMO.
(there are videos on youtube showing is preparation)"
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02/22/2010: Bogazot from Cedar Knolls, Nj: "Why do you recommend soy as it is very clear in literature that soy is not a healthy food source."
RepliesEC: That's Ted's (a frequent contributor) opinion on soy, not Earth Clinic's...
02/22/2010: Mom In Calif from Santa Barbara, Calif, Usa replies: "There are a lot of ways to process soy. Traditional fermented soy foods are healthy - miso, tofu, shoyu, etc. I think the more modern uses of soy, such as meat substitutes, isolated or hydrolized soy protein, etc. are more problematic.
Also, remember that in the USA at least, a huge proportion of (non-organic) soy products are made with genetically-modified soy, which is very allergenic and messes with the immune system."
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02/12/2010: Erynn from New Haven, Ct: "While I agree that the commercial industry of food is trying to force us to think that soy is bad, I do have to disagree on one part. I do think Soy effects estrogen, but may not necessarily be in a bad way. Women who are diagnosed with infertility are constantly using soy (in replacement of infertility drugs, like Clomid) to build their uterine lining and ovulate. Estrogen is the KEY horomone in Clomid, related with soy? I think the success of Soy proves this."
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[YEA] 09/26/2009: Meddy from Springfield, Oh, USA: "For the past year, I have been a wreck! I am post-menopausal and the hot flashes and emotional ups and downs were making me feel like I was losing it. I wanted to edure this and go all natural, figuring this was a natural part of my body's process...I could not take this one more second. I went to see my Dr. and begged her for HRT's...anything to give me relief. She is a huge pill pusher so I was rather shocked when she told me to dring soy milk. I asked her about bioidentical therapy and her reply was, "drinking soy milk is bioidentical"... I know there will be those who disagree, I can only speak for myself. I started drinking about 8 oz of soy milk right away. For me, it has been nothing short of a miracle. I feel like a human being againl. The depression is gone and so are the hot flashes. If I do feel one coming on, I run and get about 4 oz in me and they immediately subside. I cannot tell you what a blessing this has been. I have not experienced one negative side effect. If this helps just one person who is suffering like I was, please give it a try."
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07/22/2009: Catherine from Kaneohe, Hawaii: "http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
Make up your own mind and please do pass along information to others."
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[NAY] 07/17/2009: Beth from Miami, Florida: "Soy no way!!
I ate soy for about a month and experienced the WORST possible pms imagineable... good thing I quit and was able t osave my marriage cause trust me it was ugly...
I will never touch soy again and really think it is much more harmfull than earlier thought. I resent Teds information page and hope that those who are ill don't read it with out reading the comments below. I really think it should be removed and that a short description on soy is more suitable.
Peace and prosperity to all
Beth"
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06/18/2009: Tara from Boston, MA: "For those who think they are buying organic soymilk, this article may interest you. It was quoted in a recent newsletter from an organic consumers website.
"I was very involved in the creation of Silk Organic Soymilk when it was first designed and manufactured. Steve Demos was very committed to Silk being Non-GMO, Organic and Vegan. Suddenly, when buying Silk at Whole Foods, I discovered that none of the Silk flavors in half gallon containers were certified organic. The cartons look exactly the same as before with the exception/removal of the USDA Organic Seal and the word "organic" before soybeans in the nutritional panel. This is a very sneaky way for a manufacturer to discontinue Non-GMO Organic soybeans in the manufacture of thier product. I also wonder why Whole Foods continues to sell this product without a "warning sign". Sincerely, Tedelan"
http://organicconsumers.org/forum/index.php?autocom=blog&blogid=78&showentry=96#comments"
Replies03/15/2010: M from Mukilteo, Wa replies: "I use Silk a lot so I wrote the company to ask about an email on your site. I got this back from the company and if it is something you can use, you might put it on the site.
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Thank you for your recent e-mail to SilkĀ®. We appreciate your interest in our products.
Until recently the terms Genetically Modified Organism (GMO), GMO-Free and Non-GMO were used to help identify foods that contained genetically altered ingredients. These terms are no longer recognized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and therefore cannot be used on food packaging.
According to the National Organic Standards, products that are certified organic by definition cannot contain genetically modified ingredients. At Silk, we use only Non-GMO soybeans. Look for the biotechnology statement on our packaging, under Nobody makes soymilk like we do: "We take extra care to select only the best beans, grown without genetic engineering right here in North America."
Thanks again for contacting the Consumer Affairs Department.
Sincerely,
________
Consumer Response Representative"
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 06/13/2009: Bob from Moscow, Pa.: "I am very allergic to soy. If I consume any it causes my heart to race. Until a chiropractor had me check my pulse with each food I put in my mouth, my life was very uncomfortable. any food that affected me negatively would immediately cause my pulse to jump 15 or more points. "
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 05/12/2009: Rosa from Phoenix, AZ: "Regarding the "NAY" on soy products, I would like to suggest that most adverse effects are due to allergic reaction. Over a 6 month period I took in large portions of Soy products from Milk to Edamame all in the name of good health. I too experienced irregular heartbeat, hair loss on my head, but more facial hair growth, extreme bloating, a bulge in my throat and my fingernails became brittle and had lumps. For an otherwise healthy, late 20's female, I was in shock at the changes to my body. I began to do some research on the symptoms and found that indeed these changes could be a result of the effects of soy on the thyroid. I immediately ceased my use of the products. After one year, I felt I had returned to "normal". It was then another year, after some allergy tests, that I was advised to refrain from eating anything containing soy products.
For those living in the far east, I believe a combination of the Asian diet along with the local production of soy is what allows for their tolerance of this substance."
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[YEA] 04/28/2009: Karina from Munich, Bavaria/Germany: "Since I changed my lunch meals from bread to soy my metabolism seems to have been supported. I used to be so fatigued after lunch that I stopped eating lunch and just took a couple of cookies & chocolate as they gave me quick energy without draining me. Well, the long-term health effects of this idea were detrimental as it brought my hormonal balance into chaos. So I tried to find a substitute and went for tofu. This helped my overall health a lot. In between I was nearly stopping to eat soy because of the extremely bad press - so I am pleased to have read Ted's comment and stayed with my common sense as I thought millions of much healthier looking Asians can not be wrong! So thanks a lot [the only thing which I have to exclude are some sticky soy milk brands they caused within 2 days constipation and eczema - perhaps toxic soy is used or some additive which is not natural... anyhow whoever has problems with soy should try to change the brands - it might be as simple as that]."
Replies04/29/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Some brands of tofu products was not properly processed and sugar should not be added to get the benefits. There was a documentary on how to live to 101 which mentions that scientist found why 100 year old Japanese was different from the rest of their Japanese ancestors living in Hawaii. The reason was that their long lived Japan were eating tofu and carries a tradition of eating only half of the food they considered to be full. It should be noted that I also try to regularly consume tofu, because it just gives me more energy.Ted"
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 03/01/2009: Jeanine from Traverse City, Michigan: "hi, just wanted to share my story which developed a year ago. i went to fla for the winter to help my aunt and uncle . they eat tons of soy products and i began to eat with them. after two months my heart began to race , my skin became dry, i was constipated for the first time in my life, my hair stated to fall out, i felt like i had a lump in my throat and i had to cough every once in a while to clear it and i had pain in my neck area off and on all the time. in the summer i return to michigan because my father was ill. i went through two months of racing heart beats one day the next day feeling like a mack truck ran me over and than about a week later my heart would skip beats for 48 hours. i would feel better for a few days and than another attack of racing heart beats....etc.. this went on back and forth. when my heart was racing i felt hyper my basal temperature was 98.6. on the days my heart was skipping beats my basal temperature was 97 and i could not get warm. i became very scared and went to a doctor because i thought i had heart problems. i had a blood test done everything was normal but it showed i had both antibodies and the doctor diagnosed me with hashimoto's and said i should begin thyroid immediately. i told her i was going to try alternative first. i asked her what would happen on the days my immune system attack my thyroid if on that morning i also took thyroid med. i pictured my heart exploding. she couldn't answer that so i waited and began my own research.
first i stopped all soy products. i had to be real careful with this because i quickly realized that to ingest even a little soy that may be hidden in bread etc gave me a violent reaction.i began to read labels very carefully. by the way our food is invaded by soy. after stopping soy my thyroglobulin ab antibody became normal in two months and is stiil normal 8 months later. i decided to stopped eating all foods that decrease thyroid production know as goitrogens , to go on a gluten free diet and i also stopped dairy products because of the caseins. every day i take selenium, and because i drank reverse osmosis water all my life and wanted to get more minerals i bought a water filter from aquasana that does not remove the minerals. i had questioned hauling and storing the reverse osmosis water in plastic containers that i was filling at the heath food store. pcbs can leach into the water and pcbs damage the thyroid gland. i got rid of all my plastic containers in my house and replaced then with healthy glass containers.i also made sure i got 150 mcg of iodine a day and if i took more than that i felt heper that day. i don't have heart racing but it made me nervous, so i am careful with the iodine. i know people in japan get about 12.5 mg iodine a day .... but think about this...... hashimoto's disease was discovered in japan and japanese people eat lots of goitrogens in their diet including soy which cause the thyroid not to absorb iodine so that is why they can get away with the amount of iodine they get from eating lots of seaweed.
in any case when i stopped all goitrogens and began iodine the pain in my neck area completely stopped within 24 hours and has not returned.i had also began to feel pain in my breast which also disappeared. i felt great on 150/mcg a day. during this transition since i made all these changes my test results are all normal except my tpo ab is still a little high but every two months it drops 20 points. it was 141 and now it is 120. i am sure it will continue to drop until it is normal. i am feeling sooo much better. my basal temperature is 98.2 every morning.
finally after 10 months of this whole progress and changes i found an alternative healer in my area. he was amazed by my progress and the decisions i had taken. he suggested i add a homeopathic remedy called thyroidinum 30x 2 pills 3 times a day. i am doing this and really feel i am almost 100% healed. when i think back to those times my heart was acting up so badly i know my metabolism was really in bad shape. i feel the major cause was the soy. it turns out i am allergic to soy, but even so 1/4 cup of soy milk will cause the thyroid in an non-allergic individual to work 50% less for 24 hours. i also think if you eat a goteiren type food on those days and maybe a few days afterwards it would be wise to increase iodine but than go back to a standard dosage. every night before i retire i take 1/2 teaspoon of magnesium citrate in a glass of water this heals me sleep like a baby. i hope my experience can help someone out there. if you want more information on any change i made in my diet just go on line and look..soy and thyroid ,gluten etc.... this is a great sight to read all about it as well.
god bless you all .....jeanine."
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[SIDE EFFECTS] 02/25/2009: Rajesh from Port-of -Spain, Trinidad: "Dangerous side effects of soy products: I have been a Vegetarian for twenty years and using soy products for the same time period, i had high thyroid flow which lead to Pancreatic complications which i almost died from. Also low sperm count is a reality, I have definately stopped the use of all soy products.."
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[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 09/02/2007: Catherine F Clark from Chicago, Illinois, USA: "BSM [blackstrap molasses] is good stuff. However, if you wish to use milk, use raw milk. Raw cow's milk does not have the problems associated with pasturized, homogonized milk. Also, please be aware that soy is not the wonderful thing the soy industry would have you beleive! If you have hypothyroidism, unfermented soy is the worst thing you can ingest! Almond milk and any seed milks are very good. We drink goat milk when we have milk. BSM would fit in with goat milk very well."
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[NAY] 07/08/2007: Joella from Los Angeles: "My husband and I started to make smoothies about 2 weeks ago every day, adding soy/green protein powder to the fruit smoothie. Well, this month I had the worst PMS symptoms ever! My breast size increased by one cup size (at least), I was terribly bloated and the bottom left side of my left breast had a constant shooting pain. As the symptoms got worse as my period approached, I realized the soy powder was probably causing the side effects. I continued to have my daily smoothies, but stopped substituted rice protein in place of the soy powder. 2 days later (but 4 days before my period) all the symptoms disappeared. I think women should be very careful with soy as there is clearly a hormonal response. The soy powder I used was Alive by Nature's Way with non GMO soy. If I kept it up, who knows about truly serious side effects like breast cancer? Perhaps organic soy wouldn't have produced the same side effects."
Replies[WARNING!] 05/28/2008: Alex from Los Angeles, USA replies: "Soy protein powder made my temples go bald in two months!! And I had the fullest head of hair and zero family history. It was insane. I'm trashing the rest of it."
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[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 02/14/2007: Donna from Bakersville, NC: "Hello, Having spent years researching soy and it's benefits and dangers, I was offended by Ted's page on soy. Properly fermented organic soy in small amounts is very good for humans. Chemical extracted soy with residue of each chemical in your food is NOT good for humans! Considering that soy is in almost every food you put in your mouth off of the grocery store shelf..... if it did all Ted said it does.... logic states that America would be one of the healthiest places on earth. Which it isn't! After removing all non-fermented soy from our diet, our family is the healthiest it has ever been. Ted needs to do more research!"
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[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 11/22/2006: Karen from BC, Canada: "I enjoy most soy products with no adverse effects, but find that textured soy and soy isolate affects my thinking. When I stop using products that have textured soy in them my thinking improves. This happened numerous times when I did not know there was textured soy/soy isolate in them until I read the labels."
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09/22/2006: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand: "Is soy toxic? Well maybe yes and maybe no for some people. In general it is good for you, but there are exceptions!
I have devised a simple tests decades ago as a part of a research study on allergy and communicable disease during my studies in microbiology that you can conclude yourself.
This was later confirmed in that this simple test can prove to you if soy is good for you. Remember, no medical fact can prove you otherwise if it simply isn't working for you!
Here is a remarkably simple tests (that doctors also secretly used they call it the patch test, but this is simpler).
In science we must use a control and experimental group, but in this case we use milk and soy as a comparison, while your friend is a "control" which he or she DOES NOT DRINK ANY MILK.
1. Prepare a standard milk and soy. We first start with the soy or milk it is up to you.
Assuming you drink soy, keep it in your mouth for about 1-2 minutes then swallow. Drink more, such as about 500 cc to 1 liter of soy milk throughout the day.
2. After about 15-30 minutes, notice if there is bad breath coming in your mouth. You can ask a friend if you are not sure. However I am sure the sticky slimy feel you can tell.
3. The next day, observe if you are coming down with a cold or a rash, or allergy. Most pathogenic bacteria tends to be observable in symptoms after 24 hours of consumption.
4. The next day you can do the milk test. Repeat the procedures 1-3 but using a standard cow's milk. The common symptoms for people with lactose intolerance on cow's milk is diarrhea, allergies or getting colds will come in the next day. If you aren't sure, use your friend as a "control" or reference point.
You can do this in using sundae ice cream or your other favorite choice of suspicious food. It works better then the patch test doctor do, since you are doing it one at a time instead an array of allergens on your arms.
The ones I am asking you to investigate is fried chickens, microwave cooking and french fries. The quantities it must be consumed are about what you alway consume with regular food, in bulk of course, but only this time you will be eating JUST only one type of food - monolithic diets. This is how I learned which food raised my blood pressure, allergies, or even get "the blues".
The best judge for whether the soy works for you or not is yourself. However, based on my own test soy with many people, at least here in Asia, soy works. On the other hand, 90% of all Asians are actually lactose intolerant. However a similar figures are found throughout all ethnic groups but with different percentages. Therefore it doesn't work for everyone! Cheers!"
Replies08/10/2008: lrm from San Diego, CA replies: "1)What I find interesting about Ted's soy claims is that the 'research' he points to is not 'full- proof', though he offers the links and info as though it is God's word. In fact,much of the debate about soy is that the research has been skewed in favor of soy,by major medical research teams. Ted did not address this, that I was able to see/read.
2)Second major point: The amounts of soy being consumed by many Americans far exceeds those of Asian cultures. Fermented or not,Americans have tended toward excess consumption of anything they are told is 'good for them'. Cow milk=case in point! As well,one cannot take one food in isolation without looking at a complete diet,on a culture by culture basis. I do not see Asians consuming gallons of soy milk per day,along with tons of dairy and huge steaks.
3)In asian medicine,it is well known that soy is 'damp',in energetic quality-people with excess mucous or any form of deficiency are often depleted,spleen deficiency,as a result of eating too much soy.This particular affects digestion and can be particularly true in women.
4)Extremely important: the soy quality being consumed is of utmost importance here. GMO's,pesticides and the like make a HUGE difference. Asian countries are only recently beginning to reap the 'not so great' benefits of high pesticide rates,high smoking/tobbaco use,high refined oil and trans fat consumption,etc. Watch as their cancer,diabetes and degenerative diseases rise.
This at a time when Americans are beginning to become informed about their dangers. Give it another decade,and you will suddenly find back to the land and organic/non refined movements throughout asia.
There is no point in debating-but I hardly think milk sales are down enough to be the 'cause' of senseless soy bashing. Especially when many of these refutes of soy's benefits,are submitted by citizens and consumer groups,not large dairy corporations. Please consider the sources of funding for research on either side. And consider the types of evidence-ie,'medical research' claims vs. evidence based approaches. Statistics can be manipulated.
If anything,milk companies would be trying to refute claims that 'organic' milk is better-as organic requires more space and money to produce. And certainly organic milk sales are on the rise. Besides,most of the major milk companies I know of are now producing SOY MILK,as well as COW MILK-so they make a buck either way.
NOONE needs to consume gallons or even quarts of any kind of milk in a daily basis. Everything in moderation should take care of the situation. And I myself do not digest soy products well,so I do not eat them.
I will also say that 'TRUE FERMENTATION' is very different than what passes as fermented on most American store shelves. Tofu and Tempeh are produced en masse with chemicals,hardly the traditional asian way-and hardly a stretch to think that this method might produce less than positive health effects.
I'm all for considering both sides-I just look for logic and reason in thinking things through."
08/10/2008: Moi from V Ville, CA replies: "Irm,
you may or maybe right about soy, but my own personal experience with it is that it is not for me. I am 45 and last year I decided to use soy instead of milk. I used only organic non-sweetened soy and shortly thereafter began to have hot flashes. I did not put 2 + 2 together and used soy for many months. Stopped using soy and flashes went, used it again recently and within 10 minutes had a hot flash. I was also buying supplements with soy in them to counteract peri or menopause, so there I was consuming more and more soy to help the flashes. Too much estrogen (soy) which is a hormone or it was at least mimicking it in my body.
Peace
thanks for this great site!"
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