Vaccination Discussion Board

Gracie,

I am not aware of anything to reverse the vaccine. But, whatever you can do to boost her health will be of help to her. Juicing is great for boosting anyone's health. Check on this site for information on castor oil packs to help detoxify her liver. One of my children had a bad vaccine reaction when he was 4 months old. It was very scary at the time. So, he and our other children are unvaccinated since then. Even though my son had a bad reaction, he is now and adult and has great health. Your daugther is blessed to have a mama who cares so much. Jessie

I would like to pull Teds' information for heavy metal poisoning into this current site so here is the link https://ted.earthclinic.com/cures/detox-heavy-metals-side-effects.html I would also encourage you to go on youtube and visit Eric Berg teachings on cortisol and how to turn it off and restoration of gut health

Based on that blog, if the Menactra vaccine is ineffective 30-50% of the time, then it is effective 50-70% of the time. That sounds like pretty good odds to me, and would you really want to say to yourself, 'I wish I had given her that vaccine, ' when your child is in the hospital like I was, with that strain of meningitis that most likely is covered by the vaccine?

I know your comment is really old but I hope you see my response.

I had a tetanus shot years ago and developed horrible cystic acne all over my face. It wasn't until I started taking full flush niacin (for another health issue) that my face cleared up. Niacin detoxes the liver. The flush version is the kind you want for detox. Make sure you prepare yourself for the flush if you haven't had one. The first time can be a little weird. I mistakenly took time released naicin once and it spiked my liver enzymes whereas pure niacin has never done that.

You will hear people say niacin can hurt your liver but I believe the flush free and time release are the harmful ones.

Anyway, my fave is fully clear now. The tdap isn't even necessary because tetanus is in animal feces. So, unless you step on something sharp that pierces your skin and then step in horse feces, it's HIGHLY unlikely you'll get tetanus. Also, tetanus is killed instantly by oxygen so if you ever do get poked with something and it breaks the skin, hydrogen peroxide would kill any potential tetanus.

I've traveled in India, including Kerala, and I've only ever taken Hep A and Typhoid. I wouldn't miss those.

Any ideas at all would be good.

V: So glad you asked this question as it is of utmost importance. So many people (professional health care providers included) that constantly spout out the "dangers of vaccines" yet never provide any prevention (something they preach) strategies.

So, here's my take. Mercury alone is very toxic, so supplementing Selenium will go a long way in preventing problems. To be exact, there are a number of vitamins & minerals that aid in detox & metabolism so supplementing a high quality health food store brand children's vit/min will go a long way (plus the extra Selenium). But there are several more toxic ingredience that require removal. Two easy detox methods are Detox Foot Pads and Oil Pulling.

If none of the above methods prevent the occasion of autism-like symptoms, an MMS minimal daily dose will clean up all toxic residues. You can read more at Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing.

Dear Valerie,

Doing things to boost the immune system before vaccines, should help your child to deal better with the vaccine. Things like Vitamin C, Vitamin D, healthy food and less sugar.

Astragalus Root is a gentle but effective herb and used as food in some cultures. Taking this daily will help the body to fight infections.

You can buy or make Elderberry Syrup. It is great for the immune system and easy to get children to take. Taking it a few days before, the day of, and several days after a vaccine should be helpful.

Children get lots of vaccines at once. This is sometimes part of the problem - the immune system gets overwhelmed. If possible, space vaccines out. This may mean more trips to the doctor's office, but will be less of a stress to the child's immune system. If your child needs vaccines to go to school, you may be able to work out a schedule for vaccinations that would delay the beginning of the vaccines until the child is a little older. Getting vaccines spaced out when a child is between 2-4 years old instead of having a whole bunch the first year of life, will be less of a stress on the system.

~Mama to Many~

Dear Lucena,

As soon as leaving the doctor's office (in the car, before going home.) I would clean the vaccine site with an alcohol wipe and cover it with a charcoal poultice (at least 2-3 inches in diameter.). I would change this poultice every 3 hours or so and do this for at least 24 hours. You can also make garlic salve and apply it to the feet every 2 waking hours for a couple of days. (Then maybe daily for a week! ) to try and kill off any possible infection.)

Rachel Weaver in her book, Be your Child's Pediatrician has a lot of other ideas but they are not really for babies.

Here is how to make a charcoal poultice:

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/charcoal2.html#pou;tice

Here is how to make garlic salve:

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/children_and_infants4.html#COUGHS

You may need to use a bit less garlic for a baby.

Hope that will be helpful for your grandbaby!

~Mama to Many~

Vaccines are part of a global depopulation agenda. They will harm your childs health for many years to come and expose them to autism, chronic diseases and cancer. You need to do what is necessary to protect the child. F--- the countries vaccination laws. The people making such laws should be put on trial for crimes against humanity and treason.

e.g.

"1918-1919 Smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. (2) with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. (2)"

I would find someone who gives the vaccines and ask them if they can just give you certification without a vaccine shot. You could pay them a little money as an incentive if necessary. I would do whatever I had to in order to protect my child from vaccinations.

Prioris from Fl, Usa, Thank you very much. I wish I could take my granddaughter and bring her to the Philippines. All my four daughters are without vaccines.

Dear Mama To Many from Tennessee, Usa, Your input is really appreciated. I will forward this to my daughter. Hoping for the best.

Hello,

I do NOT believe that vaccinations are compulsory in the UK. I lived in the UK and all three of my children were not vaccinated at all. Please have your daughter investigate this because if she would told the are compulsory then she was lied to.

Here is a list of naturopathic doctors in the FL area: http://www.vitabase.com/tools/nd-locate/bylocation.aspx?location=Florida

Erin, I am responding as a concerned amateur individual that can only echo the caution you are displaying on the issue of vaccines. Independent studies and record analyst of personal testimonies and culturally indifferent people like Minnonites & Amish verify the connection of vaccines and illnesses like autism, in particular. I have a family member that had an "episode" during early development that no one could identify the cause. He screamed & yelled continually for hrs on end and was extremely frantic for several weeks, and afterward became autistic. From a spiritual perspective it was speculated that there was the possibility of demonic activity and intercessory prayers were applied w/ some noticeable results (it was a very disturbing experience, the suffering of this child).

Anyway, there are two ways to approach this issue (as is most all the issues of disease & health): 1. Avoidance 2. Intervention. In an effort to not totally exclude the benefits of vaccines, I would try to minimalise the number of V's to only the most important ones and never take multiple V's in one instance (space them out over several mo's or even yrs). If any sign of bad side effect occurs, it's intervention time. What the professionals are recommending I don't know, but some simple home remedies might or should help. A simple Epsom Salt / Baking Soda warm bath would go a long way to aid the detoxification and elimination of anything harmful like mercury. As a precautionary, I would supplement the mineral Selenium for several days prior to V's because Sel binds Mercury and eliminates it safely out of the body.

My two cents.

Yes, you are right to be concerned. There are no good reasons to vaccinate and millions of reasons not to. Adjuvents, include aluminum and other toxic substances. Whistleblowers report nearly all vaccine lots are contaminated with foreign matter, including fecal and dead tissue from animal sources amongst other things. Rarely are the diseases vaccinated against fatal. Like incredibly rare, you are more likely to suffer from fatal or disabling lifetime side effects from the vaccine than the disease, read ADHD, Autism and Seizures to name 3 only.

Look for the equivalent of a Conscientious Objection Form then be prepared to be forced by Big Government and Big Pharma to get them anyway. If they force you to get them give your child a level teaspoon of Charcoal mixed in Juice or something straight away, this works for my daughters Chemo drugs and has been demonstrated with poison. Charcoal is what Hospitals here use for drug overdoses, it works almost instantly.

Hi Sadie - Dr. Mercola interviewed a pediatrician, Dr. Palevsky, about vaccinations for children. You may want to check out Dr. Palevsky's Web site. He has a number of articles, videos, etc about vaccinations (and other stuff) in the "Media Center" (top left hand of page), plus he has a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page on how to treat common childhood ailments (ear infections, coughs and colds, fevers, etc. ) using natural (or as close to as possible) methods.

Here is his pdf on asthma in children:

http://www.drpalevsky.com/mediacenter/Alternatives_to_Asthma.pdf

Perhaps you could email him and ask him about the side effects of vaccinations and what you can do.

Best of luck! Bess

Dear Sadie,

Yes you can reverse the vaccination reactions of your toddler. You will need 2 things: vitamin D (start with 3,000 units every day for 7 days and then reduce to 1,000units a day thereafter). Dr John Cannell has done wonders with vitamin D for children in all aspects: autism, ADHD, vaccination side effects. His assumption is that vitamin D corrects DNA in imparied cells in the body.

The second thing you need is to detox the child of the heavy metals that were in the vaccine. This is done most easily with clay baths on a regular basis. Either sodium bentonite clay or calcium bentonite green clay.

Have no doubt that with these two his symptoms will be alleviated greatly. May he receive the grace to grow up healthy and strong.

Thank you both for your advice. I will try the vit d.

Heather how to do the clay baths - amount of clay to use and how often to bath. when will I know its worked?

Sorry Heather- is that dosage in iu?

Dear Sadie,

For the clay bath instructions you can checkout sources: 1) Carolyn Dean MD - she has very specific dosages for clay baths with sodium bentonite clay.

Have seen the most wonderful results with detox and more with calcium bentonite green clay. A friend of mine could get concepted but not hold the pregnancy because of heavy metals in her cervix and uterus (probably from tampons) and she drank the clay every day for three months and has now conceived and holding the pregnancy well. She was trying for three years. Also good results with other people for other applications. But you have a todler. He won't drink the clay. So give him clay baths. They will leach the heavy metals and impurities from the skin. Parents of autistic children do this and see results as soon as several months.

For vit. D read the website of: The Vitamin D Council

And yes - it is International Units.

regards - Heather

You need to supplement with iodine, and also its companions (that act in cohesion with iodine) magnesium, vitamin D and also vitamin c (taken at an alternate time). Magnesium is best taken transdermally (magnesium chloride or epson salts (magnesium sulphide) in bath water will reach body quicker than tablet form. Also brazil nuts (selenium) are needed to be taken with iodine as well (they could be crushed) in food.

Iodine is a heavy metal detoxer but has many other elements as well.

Autistic children have also been helped by the above protocol. Google "austim iodine"

Research iodine - it protect the body against heavy metals but most of us are now hugely deficient and the deficiency is passed to children through the mothers.

Heather, if your friend had a heavy metal problem she most certainly is iodine deficient.

She should supplement with iodine because low iodine in the mother will lower the baby's IQ. This has been well documented.

Try to Google Edgar Cayce-vaccinations. He's got good points on vaccination.

Many thanks for all your responses, I am reading the recommended links now.

Debbie - what sort of dosage should I be looking at. My husband is concerned that the detox may be too powerful - is this likely. I am trying to tell him that adding the supplements you recommended wont do harm but good - any advice as to how I can allay his fears. He's just worried given the age of our son.

Sadie you could just start off slowly and monitor his reaction. I have been giving my son quite a lot to detox him and it hasn't had any ill effect. When I first gave him a lot of vitamin c it had a dramatic effect for the positive. Iodine and magnesium I think is key - read the below article I have linked to as well. If you don't detox him the toxic chemicals/heavy metals are left in his body to cause more damage.

Some people may have a reaction to taking iodine by bromide leaving the body and that can be allayed by eating bread or drinking sea salt in water followed by warm water until the person starts urinating.

For iodine it depends on the strength you have. If you have Lugols iodine it is very safe from what I have read. If you have 5% strength I would think if you start off at 1 drop and see how he is and use more as he tolerates it. I put it in milk.

For iodine you need to take the "companion nutrients" as well for the best effect. They are Magnesium, selenium (brazil nuts), Vitamin C.

The magnesium for my son (who is 4.5) I am giving him both epson salt baths which is magnesium sulphate and magnesium chloride baths. It enters the body quicker through the skin. I put about 1/2 to 1 kg in the bath each time.

Vitamin C should not be taken at the same time as iodine - leave it for an hour or so - powdered is best.. Again it is very safe just monitor his reaction. I usually give my son at least 1/4 tspn at a time.

The brazil nuts probably 1 per day would be enough.

Here is a great article on iodine.

http://www.heal-yourself.com.au/Iodine.html

Many thanks Debbie. I hope you don't mind the questions, its difficult to get advice here in UK as most people I know don't approve of non vaccination never mind help to try and reverse the damage. I am hoping to order the required items soon. Is it vic c - the sodium ascorbate that I need? I have lugols 3%. How often for the epsom baths - is twice a week too little? How soon for results to appear - it is his asthma, eczema and cough that I am most concerned about, I want to limit the damage before it gets worse.

Hi Sadie

Yes sodium ascorbate is good. Epsom salts are made of Magnesium sulphate and apparently it doesn't last as long in the body as the magnesium chloride. You could start with twice a week and see how he goes or put him in a smaller bath so the salts are more concentrated. Epsom salts are quite cheap. For the eczema you may want to try probiotics (ones that need to be refrigerated). The epsom salts should also help with eczema.

The iodine should help his asthma and lung congestion and the eczema as well.

I found giving my son saturated fats helped him a lot (raw butter, chicken fat, coconut oil) and raw milk. He hasn't had any wheezing at night since I started him on those.

Hi Debbie, where do you get reasonably priced Epsom salts in Australia? I buy them but they tend to be quite expensive for small amounts and if you are bathing your son in 1/2 to 1kg each time you must go through them quickly. Thanks for your tips!

Hi Jenny, I have bought them at the chemist, supermarkets, and healthfood shops. In the healthfood shops you can get a 1 kg bag for about $6 (may be a bit less). The healthfood shop starts with V. When you think a cup of coffee costs about $4.50 it is quite cheap.

A cheaper way to get magnesium into you is to swim in the sea. It is like having a magnesium bath! I plan to take my son a lot this summer. Even standing in the water for 20-30 minutes is good for your uptake.

Hi Sadie, where do you buy Lugol's in the UK? We go to the UK quite often and I have tried to find it in a health food shop in Cardiff called Beanfreaks, but they didn't have it. Funny enough it owed it's name to a French doctor, Jean Lugol but no one seems to know it here in France!

Thank you so much Debbie for your help, you are an angel. Do you mind me asking how bad your sons asthma was?

Hi Sadie, no worries. He was born at 26 weeks & came home on oxygen. He has a chronic lung disease which I was told he will slowly grow out of. His asthma wasn't too bad but he wheezed a lot. I used to put him in the bathroom with the shower running hot water if his wheezing got too bad. I did use the ventalin a few times during the night. He always had a wheeze but never really coughed a lot with it. He did get bronchiolytis and then croup (with stridor) so bad he stayed in the ICU o/n on oxygen. He was very prone to getting sick quite a lot.

One more thing with asthma that is very important.. vitamin D (the sun). A low level of vitamin D has been linked to asthma and low immune system. Kids are now going to school and kinder with hats and sunscreen and never get any sun during the day (and they are getting sicker).. Not to mention the sunscreens are full of toxins. We also drive with sun tints on our cars & wear sunglasses so don't get much sun either.

I give my son liquid chlorophyll, spirulina and chlorella all of which contain vitamin D as well as getting him outside in the sun as much as possible. I also give him liquid minerals.

Many thanks Debbie, my nephew was also born at 26 weeks. I hope your son is well and in good health. I am very grateful for all your kind help and advice.

Hi Francisca,

I buy online. Beanfreaks is great but they don't have everything sadly. Web retailer is great for many things, it's the only place I have found Lugols.

Thanks Sadie, unfortunately more often than not companies earn a lot of money on the postage costs making prices prohibitive! Too bad shops often offer a lot less than one can buy online and usually you can't even order anything in the shop. It is great we can resort to the Internet for some things but it made the stock in the shops smaller, I think. It should have been the contrary so that they could compete with the Internet? I do buy all my books online because even with the postage costs they are cheaper than in the shops, often not so with supplements.

In the meanwhile I did some research on Amazon UK and they have Lugol's 3% with free shipping to the UK so I can have it sent to my sister-in-law's address. Thanks!

This question is for Woong from malaysia: How do you get your kids in school without them being vaccinated. I have also heard many negative things about vaccines but am worried that my children would not be accepted in school if I dont get them vaccinated. Can you please advice.

I have a form that I typed up for myself and a few friends that do not have their children vaccinated (as well as myself used for college and nursing job.) I would be happy to forward it to anyone interested. They can not force you to have your children vaccinated. I even used it 10 years ago for my daughter in daycare. BY the way...the daycare RN called me one morning and said all of the children in my daughter's group had broken out with a strange looking form of chicken pox. My daughter is the only one who did not get it and she was the only one who had not received the chicken pox vaccine, however she did get chicken pox 1 year later after I purposely exposed her to a neighbor's child with it. (Just like my mother did me). Vaccines are dangerous. Do your research and don't get your information from your doctor. Your children are worth it.

From Dr. Mercola's site - Legally avoiding vaccinations:
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/legally_avoid_shots.htm

Vaccination Liberation - looks to be a great resource with letter templates, links to state laws, etc.
http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

Excellent letter from a lawyer parent to a school board:
http://www.vaclib.org/letters/Letter_Oregon_School_District.htm

With the swine flu being so hyped and school starting again soon, we are potentially facing some big issues. We may encounter pressure, if not outright assault, on our sovereign rights over our own bodies and the care of our children. Arm yourself with knowledge now to stay healthy and to keep Big Pharma and government out of your bodies, your childrens' bodies, and your wallet.

My kids are still young. I guess I will worry about school when time comes. I may opt to homeschool my kids. I can't publicly tell you my other option but u can email me if u really wanna know.

If you look up websites recommended in Earthclinic, you can find that in US, you have a lot of ways to handle the issue of vaccination and school enrolment. Pretty easy and convenient. You can also try to contact ppl from those websites.

Health is more important. Find a school that will accept your unvax kids. I rather haf the inconvenience of homeschooling them then to have to take care of them my whole life should they be damaged by vaccines. I haf seen damaged done but docs will never say it's from vax.

If they are no longer able to take care of themselves, how are they gonna learn in the first place. At anytime, I rather have a not-so-smart kids than have kids who are not even able to take care of their own basic needs like bathing, eating, etc.

Being in the US, you have great homeschooling materials. Here, it is not that widely accepted and materials are not all that cheap or available. SO you have an advantage.

Weigh your choices. Good Luck!

IF, just in case...if there were mandatory vaccinations, especially for our children. What can a novice to natural remedies do to prevent harm from the vaccinations. I have read a few things online, but most would confuse someone who has never heard of MMS or a mixture of other supplements. What would be the most understandable method of protection. Thanks!

Kathleen, what I did for my elder one was I fed her flax seed oil, coconut oil, spirulina, loads of Vit. C, all the good stuff I can afford or get my hands on. This was when she was a baby but as long as your child is willing to take them, feed them especially coconut oil. If you refer to coconut oil and it's benefits in this website or any other website, you'll find that it covers a lot of things.

My younger child, I refuse to let her be given even Vitamin K at birth. Absolutely nothing and she is stronger than the sis. Except for Roseola, she dun get fever. FLus, yes. Just give her water, vit c.

I'd question the doctors till I get a confident answer from the doctor. Read the inserts for the vaccine. Is it 100% effective? If not then give u something that is 100% effective? Will there be side-effects? Docs will most likely say mild fever, rashes, etc BUT is the doctor willing to support your child for life should your child get bad reactions such as seizure, paralyse, etc? Most likely you'd get kicked out of the doc's office if u were to question like that but hey it's your child's health and life we are talking about here. If your child can't function like a normal person, do you know who will take care of the child? YOU!!!

Read about nutrition, understand food. We can't be perfect but you have got to be strong-willed to not let your child consume too much sugary food, junk food. It's not easy. I am surrounded by ppl who hands out candies to kids to calm them but I am firm with my NO. Unless I am not aware, Ihave never seen my child licked a lollipop before.

Meat, as far as I can avoid them for my child, I will. My understanding is that meat takes 3 times longer to digest and sitting inside too long will produce toxic stuff so maybe when they are older.

Refer to Dr. Mercola's site, read Dr.Mendelssoh's book, www.doctoryourself.com, www.nmaseminars.com, http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/, www.thinktwice.com n d sites they refer. Find your balance.

Does anyone out there know if it is required to get your child immunized to go to school. They are telling us that if our children are not they cannot enter school. I do not want my child to be immunized.

In most states there is a form you can fill out to state that you do not immunize. Ask for the form, or check online to get the correct laws for your state. We homeschool, and yet, we still need to fill out a form with the school district stating we choose not to immunize.

Tamara from Boaz Alabama.

All you need to do is sign a paper that says, that for religious reason you don't want your children vaccinated. Ask the school about it they should have a form. We did this in Washington, Oregon, Iowa. so I think they can force you to take vaccinations, they can say that your children can't come to school if there is an epidemic I think, but you really don't want them at school in that circumstance anyway. Hope this helps.

Aurora

Hi about vaccinations. In Michigan you had to sign off with the school. My step daughter does not vaccinate her kids and all three are in school. Check with your school district.

Hi Tamara, from Boaz, Alabama. You've been given good advice already about the religious exemptions. I just want to add that you can also get it at your local health department.

I'm so happy you made the decision you have. I wish my daughter had listened. My two grandsons are both affected from vaccines (although tptb will never admit it). My 6 yr old grandson has ADHD (a pre-curser to Autisim). My nearly 2 yr old grandson is about to undergo testing for Autisim. It breaks my heart to see any child damaged with vaccines.

I am back to update that my 3rd girl is also totally vaccine-free and she has yet to see a doctor.. She's already 19 months. She is a homebirth baby so absolutely no vaccine, no vit k, no eye goops... Lotus birth... she is jaundice-free..

I am expecting no. 4 now and God-willing, this will be a homebirth too and totally no vaccines either...

I am 28 years old and am pregnant with my first child. I was recently asked by my doctor if I wanted the TDAP vaccine. I haven't had a vaccine since I was a child and have always been against the Flu shots that are so widely pushed these days. This had me researching vaccines and I know that most pediatricians will want my child to start them. Honestly I don't know all of them and I know they have increased significantly since I was a child. I happened to come across Earth Clinic researching TDAP vaccine and I thought it would be helpful to ask advice from like-minded/open minded people.

By reading this discussion I see that a lot of you are against most or all vaccines. I am against most that they push on adults such as the flu, but haven't really had to think much about all the ones they are giving children these days. I know most pediatricians will look at you like your crazy for not wanting your child to receive any type of vaccine. I want to continue my research and was wondering if there are any websites that anyone recommends that list the vaccines given to children and what is actually in them? I also would like to find a pediatrician that would be open to the idea of not giving vaccines and open to homeopathic medicine if they exist. Any information on the subject would be greatly appreciated. I have already learned a lot from others whom have posted information on the subject, but anything new would be great.

Thanks, Danielle

First of all, the doctor works for you! You are the boss. You tell them what to do and you need to start behaving like a boss right now. Make sure you are comfortable before your child is born. Your infant will be protected at birth from your own immunities. Wait until the child is at least 2 yrs old if you must give them the vaccines. Go to The Farmacy on facebook, they have alot of information. Your child DOES NOT have to have them to attend school. You will most likely have to sign a form, that's all. They cannot ask you why! It is your choice. Please take steps to learn your rights now, before you have this child. Autism is rampant, and they (CDC) will never convince me that vaccinations don't have something to do with it. Please continue to educate yourself and family members. Good luck to you.

Yes, start reading now. I used to be sceptical and then I heard they used mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde. These are serious neurotoxins and yes they still use them for pregnant moms and babies (flu, tetanus and some others). Detailed discussion here: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/king.html#Thimerosal_myth_1:

Please don't ever purposely expose children to chicken pox! That reasoning went out with the flat earth theory. Getting chicken pox is no absolute guarantee to not get the virus again but now you have caused your child probable SHINGLES in its future! There is nothing wrong with vaccines if given ONLY when child is well, and only ONE vaccine per month to prevent system overload.

Hi Jacqui.....my daughter is do to give birth in a few weeks and was given the prenatal whooping cough vaccine with more vaccines to follow after birth. I am concerned. I would love to connect with you and more so with my daughter....Do you happen to have a blog or other way to engage with you?

Concerned in Michigan......Constance