11/07/2010: Tommy from North York, On, Canada replies: "Hi Mike,
Thank you very much for sharing with us your experience. That also could be explained by the acid killing candida. Because I remember reading that anti acids ( histamine blockers and PPI) can cause Candida infection in the stomach and the esophagus. What do you think?"

11/07/2010: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "Absolutely. Have you ever considered the following in relation to stomach acid and Candida:

"IT IS WELL ESTABLISHED THAT PROBIOTICS EAT CANDIDA IN OUR INTESTINE. THESE PROBIOTICS NEED OUR PROPERLY DIGESTED FOOD FROM OUR STOMACH ACID TO SURVIVE. NOW WHAT IF YOU DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH ACID IN YOUR STOMACH, THEN FOOD DOES NOT BECOME PROPERLY DIGESTED AND AS A RESULT THE PROBIOTICS DIE IN LARGE NUMBERS GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CANDIDA TO FLOURISH IN SUCH AN ENVIRONMENT. THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY MANY PEOPLE RECOMMENDED TO ALWAYS EAT YOGURT IN ORDER TO REPLENISH THESE GOOD BACTERIAS. BUT WHY SHOULD WE CONSTANTLY ALWAYS HAVE TO REPLENISH THESE GOOD BACTERIAS IN OUR COLON ? SOMETHING MUST BE KILLING THEM OFF RIGHT ? THE ANSWER IS POORLY UNDIGESTED FOOD FROM LOW STOMACH ACID DEPRIVES THEM OF FOOD ONLY OTHER PARASITE LOVE TO FEED ON GIVING OFF LARGE AMOUNT OF STOMACH GAS IN RETURN. "

If only people can start taking this matter more seriously about the importance of maintaining minimum stomach acid levels in their body then they would not experience half the symptons they are now currently struggling with. With sufficient HCL did you known that Calcium, iron, zinc and potassium can be absorbed more efficiently into the body. It is incredibly unfortunate to those who spend a fortune on supplements without realizing that their body can only absorb perhaps as much as 20% of the substance because of low stomach acid. What a waste of money! Also did you know that the infamous Pylori bacteria cannot survive in a healthy acidic stomach environment ? Those that have died from cancer related to the damage cause by this bacteria perhaps could have had a much better survival rate if they would have focused specifically on maintaining proper acid level in their stomach. Why do you think that Apple Cider Vinegar has such an impact against a disease like GERD ? I will give you a hint, Apple Cider Vinegar is very acidic and works only because it raises the acidity of the stomach. Betaine HCL is far more potent for raising the acidity to even much greater heights. The following excerpt from a website summarizes my feeling about BETAINE HCL:

"While it certainly is an inconvenience to supplement stomach acid with each meal for a lifetime it may be less inconvenient than the alternatives. It is well known that hypochlorhydria (lack of stomach acid) is associated with increased risk of stomach cancer, and this may be due to the conversion of nitrites into cancer inducing nitrosamines in an abnormally alkaline stomach. Also, intestinal overgrowth of bacteria and the incidence of parasitic infections is increased when stomach acid is low. Risk of cancer, risk of parasites, expected bacterial overgrowth and remember the always present yeast organism, ever ready to become a problem — all adds up to a lot more inconvenience than popping a few betaine HCL caps with each meal. "

Let me conclude by suggesting the admin of this website to open a special new thread focusing very specifically on the use and health benefits of BETAINE HCL. For some like myself this could become their only cure for they disease."

11/07/2010: Ellen from Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada replies: "A safer and equally effective solution is to use apple cider vinegar with your meals. Lemon juice from a freshly squeezed lemon is also equally good to help digestion. 1 tblspn of either or in a small amount of water or pomegranate juice is perfect. Other juices are not really as good as pomegrante juice as pomegranate juice is so high in antioxidants that it is in itself a mineral supplement, and other juices are not as safe in that they have high fructose corn syrup etc in them. This recommendation is very effective in elminating digestion problems. It truly works, give it a try. Good luck, Ellen"

11/07/2010: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "WHEN SHOULD YOU START USING BETAINE HCL ?

Here is a simply way to determine if you really have a serious low acidic stomach and I must caution you it is not pretty to talk about!

(1):When there is much undigested food particles in your stools.

(2):Your stools becomes small in size, consistently yellowish in color and mostly sinking.

(3):Whenever you consume fat or meat, your stools are very smelly. The main role of Stomach acid is to convert proteins to peptides for easier assimilation, stimulate the flow of bile and pancreatic enzymes.

(4):Excessive stomach gas and bloating after a meal. I was suffering from all of the above and clearly saw concrete results from my stool appearance as being floating, larger in size, dark brown colored with the consistency of toothpaste. That is considered as normal stool for a healthy individual. Since then my stool has never reappeared as yellowish in color! The subject of gallstone is an explosive subject on the internet. Did you know that the low PH of Stomach acid actually STIMULATES the liver to producing bile? Low stomach acid causes the liver to be sluggish which in turn leads to the formation of dangerous gallstones in the gall bladder because bile does not flow properly into the gallbladder causing thickening of bile fluid that eventually produces stones."

11/07/2010: Tommy from North York, On, Canada replies: "Dear Mike,
I'm a bit confused about your theory. You mentioned that ACD works because it's acidic. But some other guys here said that because it's alkalizing. What is the more plausible theory?

Also regarding H. Pylori, HCL presence is crucial for the bacteria and in the rescue therapy, HIGH DOSE of PPI are required to eradicate the bacteria and disturbed the biofilms. You don't think that HCL will just help the bacteria to increase in colonies rather than kill it?

I hope that Mr Ted can help us out here. I'm really confused. Thank you very much Mike :)."

11/07/2010: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "To answer your first question is that ACV is only alkaline at the tail end of the digestive process. The same applies to lemon juice as well. Initially when ACV is ingested it is at this point extremely acidic in the stomach and becomes quite capable of reducing and even preventing heartburn. But that is really a band aid solution because ACV does not have the same vital chemical features HCL is capable of. As mentioned earlier ACV works just because it reduces the PH value of the stomach being the main trigger mechanism for keeping the valve shut against escaping acid into the esophagus. That is why it is so effective in preventing heartburn. You could have just as well used another type of vinegar with the same results as long as it has an extremely low PH value. The pylori bacteria can survive only because it is capable of hiding inside the stomach lining away from stomach acid. HCL will serve to only make it very difficult for the pylori bacteria to move around in the stomach and thus render it almost completely inactive.

On the other hand, very low stomach acid will allow this bacteria to navigate very freely and that is how the bacteria can do most harm to the body! There are of course specific treatment programs just for the Pylori bacteria that does not involve HCL and should be followed to eradicate it at once if its existence is confirmed inside the stomach. Sufficient stomach acid only serves to decrease its mobility inside the stomach. I hope this has answered all of your questions."

11/08/2010: Tommy from North York, On, Canada replies: "Hi Mike,
The rescue therapy against H. Pylori requires HIGH DOSAGE OF PPI to expose H. Pylori. The first treatment against H. Pylori was amoxicillin alone but that treatment had very low rate of success. Studies after that showed that when amoxicillin was coupled with an PPI or acid reducer, the eradication rate increased incredibly. That can be understood because H. Pylori NEEDS the acid to survive. The ammonia it produces increases the inflammation of the stomach and it's concentration dependent which means more acid more ammonia. Also HCL makes H. Pylori reproduce to have more colonies to handle the acid. Adding HCL to an infected stomach with H. Pylori is adding gasoline to the fire."

11/08/2010: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "Tommy, I have the Pylori bacteria from a blood test only and have been on BETAINE HCL for many months now and I can state firmly that I never experience the type of stomach pain attributed to the common Pylori infection. I will know soon if this bacteria is in fact active in my system from a urea breath test that I will be taking in 3 weeks from now. If the test is positive then that will explain why my stomach produces such little acid and put in doubt your theory that the Pylori bacteria thrive in an acidic environment. The internal structure of the stomach lining is of course much less acidic than the stomach itself. How do you explain the fact that the Pylori bacteria always prefer to live and grow inside the stomach lining being the main reason behind the inability of our immune system to destroy it ? Thanks"

10/26/2011: Susan from Doha, Qatar replies: "Dear Mike,

I have a huge problem that has haunted me since Dec 2009. I believe my issue was induced by a medication. I was taking without prescription, given by a friend, a weight loss pill. I was having a pill on empty stomach, a day. After like 4 days I started having few symptoms like: dry mouth, heartburn, I felt like my mouth was burning, insomnia, I felt something stuck in my throat, nauseous like I wanted to vomit.. I told my friend I wanted to stop it, but since she was taking it too for a month she assured me those symptoms will go away in another week, so I continued taking it since I wanted to lose weight badly, and after the second week I couldn't take it anymore! :( My mouth was on fire!! I looked in the mirror and I saw cuts on my tongue! It was white coated, specially once I wake up it was like white and as day goes by it looks better.. So I got so nervous and scared of what was happening to me, and I stopped the pills. I prayed that this would go away. But everything did except my mouth issues! My tongue was still cracked, and soooooooo dry. The saliva was so sticky, and the taste of my mouth was different. I still have all this symptoms till now. Sometimes I get like a tingling sensation - I describe it as if I have fireworks on my tongue and exploding slowly! - weird but true.

On May 2010, after waiting for feel better, I went to a Gastro and had endoscopy, he said I had extra acid and put me on Nexium. After a month I went to my home country and went to an ENT, he had an upped endoscopy done and told me I had to control my acid, and prescribed Pariet and Nasonex which is a nasal spray. I had to have for 3 months 2 Pariet pills and 2 sprays of Nasonex on nose, and last 3 months no Nasonex, and 1 Pariet pill. He promised me I would be healed by then! But sadly I wasn't, and I live miserable still.

In July 2011 I went back home and also saw a thyroid doctor, my mom said what if it was thryroid related, he then had blood tests done ruled out any thyroid problem. But sent me to ENT, at ENT he examined everything but said he needs to do exams to rule out Sjogern Syndrome, I was like WHAT!! NOT THAT! , then he sent me to Dermatologist and joints doctor. Both ruled out Sjogern. So no one helped me there also!!

I came back home and went to another gastro, I told him I'm feeling a lot of pain in my stomach. I wasn't feeling that before. I told him I have always felt like bloated as if I don't digest my food. I am one of those who feel constipated most of the times. He prescribed anti acid and I am taking that. Let me tell you that I dont feel better after taking anti acids!! I dont know why!! And also, forgot to mention that my tongue bleeds. Its like something pinched it and a drop of blood comes out. I see it only when I feel something on my tongue and once I check on mirror I see the blood! This has happened like twice.

I am female, 29 years old, non smoker, and I have never drank. I have suffered in my teenage years from bulimia, and I was treated for it. I admit that my food intake isn't the best but I don't have a lot of processed food! We eat all week at home and only 1 max 2 days a week outside..

I don't know what to do, I am desperate. We want to try for baby number 2 but it seems impossible feeling like this. My husband thinks I'm crazy and he sometimes shows as if I am crazy. I am not, and it drives me insane people think it is not a big deal and I am making a big deal out of it. But this is serious and I feel it has put a pause on my life. I haven't been the same since then and I regret taking that pill that day :( Please help me?

Should I take Betaine? To be honest I ordered one online and I also ordered those DGL chewable licorice and I am willing to try anything to get back my life.

Thank you all,
Susan"

10/26/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "Susan based on your symptoms let's start with the following simple remedies that should improve your overall health.

You must first drink plenty of water, as much as you can.

You must absolutely take the stomach acid test whenever you feel bloated and unable to digest your food. This is an important step as it will confirm if whether or not your stomach is producing enough acid to control the pathogens in your body.

The only way to determine if you are secreting a proper amount of acid only when you feel you are not digesting your food properly or feeling bloated is to ingest a least 6 capsules Betaine HCL with plenty of water on a FULL stomach and notice the results after about 5 minutes. If your stomach suddenly feels very light and free from any pain then all along your stomach was not secreting enough acid to kill off the excess pathogens that appears to have invaded your body. IMMEDIATELY STOP if you feel worse after taking HCL Betaine. Make sure you use good quality HCL tablets. If taking Betaine HCL does not improve your condition then switch to ACV instead as this has the ability to kill off the type of pathogens often not possible by using Betaine HCL.

You must increase your pro-biotic intake by eating plenty of Yogurt more often.

Obviously your immune system is taking quite a hit so I recommend you surf on the internet and find what type of food are well known to rebuild the immune system and stick to eating these types of food for a long period of time until your problem goes away. Some examples are pure orange juice, pumpkin seeds because of the high Zinc content, large amount of carrots juice to name a few.

It's clear that you must stop eating processed food at once and increase your fresh vegetable content in your diet. That will make your body more alkaline and more resistant to pathogens.

The blood on your tongue could be caused by Candida overgrowth so you can visit this site and try oil pulling to clean your tongue and at the same time detox your entire body.

Read what many say about how they feel after a couple of days of oil pulling. It's worth a try.

There are still so many other things you can do but for now try the above and let us know the results after a couple of days. I am sure this will make you feel much better.

Mike"

10/29/2011: Susan from Doha, Qatar replies: "Dear Mike,

Thank you for replying to my post. I have ordered Betaine HCL but it will take around 1 week to arrive. I am praying every minute that this cures what I have got! I will report back with anything new.

When you said ingest 6 capsules, is that at the same time or all day long?

I have tested for oral candida and always comes back negative, so I have no idea. The anti acid doesn't help me, either if I take them or not I feel the same.

Thanks Mike,

Regards, Susan"

10/29/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "Hello Susan, good to hear from you again. Only after you have tried Betaine HCL will you have a better idea on what's going on inside your stomach. You ingest 6 capsules or more all at once before or during each meal but never on an empty stomach otherwise you will experience heartburn unless you drink plenty of water afterwards. In the meantime, you can start taking 2 tablespoon of ACV in 1 glass of water or more if you are able to locate this product in your area. Let us know how you react to ACV since that would give us a clue on the acidity levels of your stomach until you receive your HCL Betaine capsules. Another thing you can also try, in the meantime, is eating pickles after each meal."

11/01/2011: Susan from Doha, Qatar replies: "Mike,

I took on empty stomach 2TBSP of ACV with 1/4 tsp of baking soda, I used Ted's recipe, but I dont recall feeling any burning sensation. After drinking it in a cup of water, I had my breakfast which was 1 c of skimmed milk with cereal at work and now I am having a little discomfort. What could be wrong? Does it take a few times to show up? I don't want to feel hopeless."

11/02/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "You are not being very specific when you say you feel a little discomfort ... ???"

11/16/2011: Susana from Doha, Qatar replies: "Hi Mike,

I got the Betaine yesterday and still have not started it. The brand is NOW. I am scared to try 6 capsules all at once! But I will do so. Will report back. Susan"

12/23/2011: Mandy from Orlando, Usa replies: "Please don't try six capsules at once. I realize I'm a little late from the date you posted this. But, that's not how you do that. You start out with one capsule with a meal, then if there's no burning you take two capsules with the next meal. You can keep doing that, or you can raise it up to three capsules per meal."

12/23/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "Mandy, you are over reacting about the danger of taking too many capsules at one time. In fact, the more, the better since it will allow much better absorption of key nutrients such as Calcium and Iron that your body constantly needs. The trick to avoiding any stomach burns is simply to do what I do and that is take YOGURT afterwards. I once ingested 10 capsules at one time with plenty of yogurt afterwards and believe me I felt a pleasant warm sensation in my stomach as a result of balancing the PH level in my stomach.

The results were immediate afterwards since I got rid of the feeling that food seemed to be stuck in my stomach. Furthermore, after about 15 minutes or so I felt so light as if my stomach was empty but without the feeling of being hungry. You need to understand that stomach acid actually stimulates all your digestive organs to functioning at an optimum level so important for maintaining a good healthy digestive system.

I don't regard taking HCL Betaine as a cure but rather as a supplement because I realize that the aging process will, over time naturally reduce my stomach acid. That in the long run would only compromise my health and thus reduce my life expectancy.

There are two ways in which a lack of stomach acid can literary destroy your health (1) promote harmful bacterial growth (2) reduce your ability to absorb vital nutrients.

Now I consume HCL Betaine like it was water and each time always feel so much better afterwards. In fact, past testimonials from many members of this site would confirm how it has succeeded in improving their own health almost immediately afterwards. Again you must always use common sense and make sure you balance your PH with alkaline forming food which today is so plentiful.

If you hesitate on the values of taking HCL Betaine then just Google on the health benefits of this product. You will be able to recognize that no matter how healthy is your diet, you could never benefit from it unless your body can absorb the nutrients properly! Just think about this for a minute!!!!!

HCL Betaine can dissolve food at the molecular level in the form that is so critical for the proper nutrients to enter into your bloodstream. Otherwise improper food absorption could only lead to fermentation inside your body that always eventually end up poisoning your entire body over time. This being the leading cause of constipation that is among many other types of diseases of the digestive system.

If more people would consume HCL Betaine then you will be amazed on the vast number of diseases that could be prevented. After all, you cannot deny that the human digestive system is a vital key component to overall health.

The more you understand about the significant properties of HCL Betaine for overall health the less you will fear it in the end.

Mike"

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07/03/2011: Saba from Mentor, Oh replies: "Warning - There is a lot of negative review on this product, just look up Cell Food. Most review says it's a SCAM. Just thought I would share this. Thanks."

07/06/2011: Lucie from Tempe, Az replies: "I appreciate your concern about scams, but that was not my question to Earth Clinic site users. I continue to experience a perfectly clear, geographic-free tongue and wish for my question to be answered specifically by GT sufferers who have actually tried Cell Food, and to provide their comments and actual experience with Cell Food as it relates to their geographic tongue situation. Thank you."

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[YEA]  07/01/2011: Steven from Somewhere, Netherlands replies: "Hi Mark,

I had/have the same problem as you as far as my memory goes back. I'm now 23 and have a memory of me asking my mom, ''why is my tongue so white?! '' and her answer was ''o, it's nothing, it will go away on its own honey don't worry''. Of course it never did. Since the age 12 I became very aware of my condition and was very ashamed of it. This condition took my confidence and influenced my life in a bad way for the next 11 years. I also had/have very bad breath that smells like rotten eggs or even worse a human flatus (fart).

I also have post nasal drip, which I sometimes can get under control. I rinse my nose every morning with 500ml water a teaspoon of salt and 8 drops of GSE for nutribiotics regular strength. When I do that, 8 out of 10 days I don't have post nasal drip, but when I have it it smells really bad.

Since one week I'm using digestive ''plant enzymes'' from NOW foods and ''super enzymes'' from NOW foods. Since I've been using these my tongue coating which was white and sometimes yellow and looked hairy, is slowly disappearing and I seem to have way more saliva now and it's only been 7 days.

My doctor prescribed me proton pump inhibitors for my complaint of acid reflux and that made my reflux worse. Only since 4 days I know that the symptoms of to much stomach acid and too little stomach acid are exactly the same! So I definitely am going to try taking betaine HCL with my meals to see if my symptoms will disappear even faster. NOTE: my ''super enzymes'' from now foods contain already 200mg of betaine HCL.

I think it's great that you took the time twice to write down your problem and your solution. You're a good person Mike. Hope you read this."

07/02/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "Hello Steven, its nice to hear from someone with similar digestive issues as mine and always happy to share my success with. I have been using pure HCL Betaine for close to 2 years now and would like to share with others in this forum some of my very unique experience with this product.

First of all, ACV seems to be the most popular product in this forum and although I have used it quite extensively in the past, Betaine HCL is by far more superior then everyone is led to believe only if you know how and when to use it. The reason is that Betaine HCL has three major properties that no other natural product of its kind can surpass: (1) helps to absorb major nutrients such calcium, iron and zinc. (2) stimulates the pancreas and gallbladder to function properly thereby reducing the risk of diabetes and gallstones (3) controls bacterias and fungi against the spreading of toxicity to all parts of the body which can result in the occurrence of white tongue and its associated symptoms.

(1) is significant because the lack of absorption for calcium means that it will solidify and eventually be deposited elsewhere in the body which in the long run can cause major damage to many specific parts of the body. Everyone known that lack of iron in the body causes many health problems. As for zinc, lack of it would result into a weakening of the immune system which offers major protection against all sort of diseases including cancer

(2) major cause of gallstone is the lack of gallbladder stimulation that result in excessive deposit of gallstone which if left to accumulate in the gallbladder can be life threatening should a stone permanently block the main bile duct that would allow enzymes to eat away at your pancreas. The most life threatening cancer today is that of the pancreas and chances are by the proper stimulation of this vital digestive organ would allow it to become more resistant to any form of pancreatic diseases.

(3) is the root cause of heartburn, frequent indigestion, complete destruction of the gallbladder and overall body toxicity that can lead to white tongue.

I doubt you can find a better natural product to produce all of the above important benefits for your entire digestive system. Not even ACV comes close to this!!!! METHOD OF INGESTING BETAINE HCL THAT WORKS: After I suffered two major heartburn, I decided to increase my vegetable intake to 80% and eliminate all form of junk food. I can remember one evening staring at a bottle of Betaine HCL and deciding whether or not I should try this product in view of the fact that I have suffered unspeakable pain from 2 earlier heartburns. I thought to myself that this would be like adding gasoline to fire if I consumed this product. So my final decision was to go ahead and take 6 tablets (3 grams) of it and prepare myself for the worst just for experimentation because at that time I was very desperate to resolve what I considered a major health crisis. The outcome shocked me as I could not believe what was happening to me. I had the impression that this product acted like a real TRANQUILIZER that actually made me very sleepy within 5 minutes of absorbing these capsules.

I eventually figured out that I was so toxic with pathogens in my digestive system that the HCL Betaine literally killed them off and as a result my body was not fighting it anymore. It was relief from this exhaustion that put me in a complete relaxed state of mind. Very similar to experiencing sudden relief after a major toothache episode. So whenever I feel that after a meal my food seems to get stuck in my stomach, then I pop a few HCL betaine capsule and within minutes the food seems to follow a normal course of action inside my stomach and as a result I feel much better especially knowing that there will be a much greater absorption of vital nutrients in my body. What is needed is quality research for the future to determine the level of absorption of vital nutrients in relation to the quantity of HCL Betains ingested.

Another significant benefit of this product I discovered is the improved appearance of my stool color. This is generally a very important indicator for the state of your whole digestive system. My stool color was always yellowish that would signified poor gallbladder functionality which in the long term can lead to its complete lack of functionality. When a gall bladder is no longer functioning, it begins to dissolved itself in the body from bacterial infections that can result into a life threatening situation unless it is removed as quickly as possible. Since I began consuming large amount of Betaine HCL, almost immediately I notice my stool color has returned to normal brown color indicating that my gallbladder is still very active. If everyone would pay more attention to Betaine HCL than ACV then I am convinced people in this forum will experience much better health results.

At the present time, each capsule cost me around 7 cents but the greater absorption capability of vital nutrients that keeps me very healthy means I need to eat LESS food for the same health benefits and thus can easily recuperate this cost in extra food I normally would have to consume not mentioning extra supplements required for controlling excessive pathogenic growth because of poor levels of stomach acid. There you have it! What most of us may be overlooking could provide each and everyone of us with much better functionality of the entire digestive system that in the end would result to considerable improvement to overall health condition. Those with ulcers must be aware of the potential risks of this product unless it is used in conjunction with baking soda or any other highly alkalizing natural products. There are no side effects of Betaine HCL other than excessive stomach acid which by the way can never be refluxed back into your esophagus because of the absence of bacterias that normally cause sufficient pressure to displace any amount of stomach acid upward.

It is bacterias that cause heartburn not excessive stomach acid as doctors would want you to believe. The symptoms of excessive stomach acid is a burning tongue and mild upset stomach which is generally easily relieved by consuming dairy products or baking soda without any risk of damaging your esophagus that in the very long run could lead to cancer of the esophagus. I am hoping that this post will instigate many to come forward and describe their own success story with this product which I believe will far outweigh any success achieved by using any other natural product. Because HCL is naturally produce by the body there can never be any overall serious side effects in experimenting with this product especially in view of all scientific literature supporting the importance of always maintaining good levels of stomach acid in the body."

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