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05/08/2009: Carol from Hesperia, CA: "I have a question, if someone could give me some feed back that would be great. I recently quit drinking (60 days now!) I feel alot better and have lost 20 pounds, but my skin looks worse and the dark circles under my eyes have gotten a great deal darker and i have real puffy bags to where i didnt before when i was drinking??? Im frustrated! I am taking a multi-vit, omega 3's, and started 2 Tlbs. ACV/ 1/4 tsp. cayenne a couple a days ago. I did go to the Drs. and have blood work and tests done, waiting on the results. My bp was great but she put me on Welbutrion to help me quit smoking but im hesitant on taking it. Im tring to rid my body of all these toxins (years of heavy drinking) and she puts me on Drugs go figure!!! Please Help"Replies
05/09/2009: Mary Frances from Mineral Wells, Texas, USA replies: "This is a reply to Carol from Hesperia, Ca. Resently, I was reading a book and found a suggestion that taking 35% food grade H2O2 daily, is a good solution for alcoholism with good side effects of alleviating dark circles under the eyes. Her suggestions are that you start with 3 drops in 6 to 8 oz. of distilled water three times a day. You add a drop each day until you reach 25 drops three times a day, then back off at the same rate until you get to 3 drops three times a day again and stay there for maintance. You might give that a try. Good Luck and God Bless."
05/09/2009: T from Maryland, USA replies: "Carol, congratulations on 2 months sober! Be patient, it will take some time for the body to show you the happier results. Drinking and smoking greatly rob your body of nutrients, and it will take time to get that optimized and to actually see the results - but you know that can't really progress if you're still smoking. You definitely CAN quit smoking without drugs. I quit cold turkey after nearly 25 years at 1.5 packs a day. Once I had the right mindset I was able to do it reasonably aggravation-free, and I've never looked back! You already know you can make big changes for yourself, because you did that with the drinking. You definitely have the strength :) A helpful tool, which I didn't use myself but have heard many great things about, may be to read Allen Carr's books. Check out the large number of positive reviews on Amazon for "The Easy Way to Stop Smoking". The book is cheap; you really have nothing to lose. Apart from stopping smoking, make sure your diet is excellent. Lots of salads, little or no sugar, stay away from the bad fats, all forms of MSG, artificial colorings and sweeteners. You may want to add a B-complex and milk thistle (for the liver) to your supplements; some inositol would probably be a good thing as well. Give yourself 6 months smoke-free and with a great diet and I bet you'll see fantastic improvements! Good luck, and please keep us posted on your progress!"
05/12/2009: PR from Houston, Texas replies: "I was listening to the link below on nutrition and the speaker was saying that sometimes when you change your health habits you can get dark circles and puffy eyes, etc. as your body is not use to it and is going through changes and cleansing. He had some very helpful ways to deal with these effects. Hope this helps. http://robertvon.com/"
EC: PR, have you tried the Mini Beet Protocol for fluoride detoxing that he writes about on that website? Sounds interesting...
05/13/2009: Carol from Hesperia, CA replies: "To Mary Frances, T and PR, Thank you all so much for your encouragement and remedies. Today is May 13, 65 days and going strong! Still smoking though. =( One thing at a time is how I see it for now, can't have to many things on my plate or i will drop it! PR, I listened to Robert Von late last night and this morning and I found him so interesting that I didn't get what I needed to done, I was totally pulled in by the conversation! ALot of great info, thought I would try blending the tomatoes and romaine lettuce every morning to see if it helps the dark circles. I have been eating a very good diet containing lots of veggies, protein shakes, ground turkey, chicken and lots of green tea and water. My supplements are multi-vite, omega 3, 3 Tlbs ACV w/ 1/2 tsp cayenne daily, stress vit-B complex and still need to get the milk thistle. I had a few more questions:
I am taking 2 Tlbs ACV w/ 1/4 tsp. cayenne pepper in the morning and then 1 Tlbs in the evening, is this too much, too little, and should I add some baking soda to it? I am also ingesting organic, unrefined coconut oil in the morning ( 1 Tlbs in my coffee) is this OK? To Mary: is H202 peroxide? To T: What is Inositol and what is its function?
Thank you all sooooo much for your time but most of all for CARING! Thanks also to Earth Clinic for have such a wonderful website!
05/14/2009: PR from Houston, Texas replies: "Hi Carol, I am glad that you found Robert Von lecture helpful. It has helped me a lot and explains some of the things I had been going through. I have tried the mini beet protocol on a smaller scale and love it. You do have to be careful with if you don't eat enough apples as it does purge the toxins out and I do mean purge. If you don't do enough apples it will knot you on your butt as they can't get out fast enough. From my understanding you need to eat a lot of vegetables to build your body up so it can handle the herbs and other benefical supplements which is what I have been working on. I got into trouble when I was taking cayenne too fast my body couldn't handle it. You will know if you aren't ready for some of these these as you will not feel so good. It is hard to answer how much of anything for any body is too little or too much as everybody is different. When you get ready to quit smoking (which I agree one thing at time) there is a book named Utimate Healing with a really good protocl for stopping to smoke. Hope this has helped some. Keep up the good work!!!!!"
05/14/2009: T from Maryland, USA replies: "Hi Carol! It looks like you've got a good routine there with the diet and all. The smoking cessation will come; you've planted the seeds and I am sure you will reap the rewards in due time. See if your library has the Allen Carr book anyway - he even tells you to keep smoking while you read! Consider it preemptive, low-effort psychological warfare against the addiction monster ;)
Inositol is a B vitamin which helps clear the liver, among many other benefits. I use a powder. It's sweet and taken easily in a drink, even plain water. Here is a link with info on it:
You might choose to take lecithin instead, which combines inositol and choline. I personally won't take the usual lecithin supplements as I have concerns about soy, but you can also get plenty of lecithin in dandelion, capsules of which are easily found in places like GNC. Any of these plus the milk thistle are a good idea to utilize. Your liver needs the support for detox and healing from alcohol damage.
In case Mary doesn't make it back to this thread - yes, H202 is hydrogen peroxide. As for the ACV you're taking, I really don't know what an ideal amount is. I sip a little bit in water all day long and have no ill effects (I'm guessing I take in several Tbs. a day altogether). I personally don't add baking soda as I really can't stand it in the water, but my pH levels are fine so I don't worry about it (you can get pH test strips at Amazon if you want to check on yours). If you don't mind the baking soda, then just follow Ted's instructions found elsewhere here for taking it. I think the coconut oil you're taking is fine if it's giving you no side effects, and you might see some great benefits from it.
Continue to keep us posted - there will be people looking in here for possibly years to come who will benefit from your experiences! And besides that, we would love to know how you're doing.
Sending big hugs back at you! :)"
02/09/2013: Pollito from Ventura, California , U.s. replies: "I was reading about a lady from Hesperia Ca. that gave up alcohol and is trying to give up smoking.
I gave up smoking using an acupuncture technique to the ears. The little coiled pins were taped to the ear by an accupuncturist in the locations for 1 week and then moved to the alternate ear for a week and this went on for a month or a little more. By then the urge to smoke was gone.
Everybody is different so the time and effectiveness could be different. If there is a relapse at some point due to some emotional issue, don't give up, redo the process. I had several relapses.
I haven't smoked in years. Exercising everyday even in limited amounts helps the body to resist."
Sea Salt and Water Cure
07/28/2011: Marlon from Melbourne, Australia: "about your problem with your craving for beer and alcohol and low libido... Try the water and sea salt cure.. It works amazing.. Your craving for anything stops and you have a total control of yourself.. Your libido will be at its highest and you will no longer need viagra.. Thats how amazing it works... try it you will not regret it...
07/31/2012: Samuel from Auckland, New Zealand replies: "How often do u take that and how many teaspoon to a glass of water."
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand: "As in most remedies against addiction, it involves the lowered serotonin levels that bought about such condition, generally speaking. Hence remedies that increase serotonin levels is the key but not used in practice, but can be extremely effective if done right. I have noted a friend of mind "suddenly" one day disappeared the addiction to cigarettes completely but that was due to his dietary pattern changes that helped his brain restore its ability of serotonin as I have observed.
Depressant drugs (ie., heroine, opium, alcohol, etc.) lowers the serotonin signals through their suppression of neuroactivity but does not directly resolve this problem. In extreme cases, the brain through the use of drugs also loses its ability to produce serotonin and takes weeks to restore the brain's ability to produce serotonin, bringing extreme suffering for its victim.
People feels anxiety and withdrawal syndrome whenever cigarettes or alcohol are withdrawn, but from different causes but they are still linked to reduction in serotonin levels.
A cigarettes has a nicotine, so if the brain level is already low with nicotinic acid for example (vitamin B3 niacinamide), the nicotine, being a close cousin of the nicotinic acid or vitamin B3 niacinamide, actually does lower the anxiety problems, but is not nutritionally relevant and hence damages the brain in the long run. B3 or niacinamide, by the way is related to the brain's synthesis of serotonin and is one of the required nutrients. A simple demonstration of its effectiveness of reduction of anxiety level can be noted if I took B3 niacinamide, about 300-500 mg mixed in a water, and the feeling of reduction of anxiety or burn out can be felt within 30 minutes. It is actually faster, but 30 minutes is my worse case scenario. Similar instance can be noted if a general amino acid supplements (or predigested protein) are taken, but those take a bit longer within one hour, because certain amino supplements don't have suffient amount of them.
In case of an alcoholic addiction it is seen with a twist, the alcohol's depressive effects lowers the brain activity, thus reducing the need for serotonin only temporary, because brain activity is reduced. Whenever the alcohol goes out the system, the brain also loses some ability to produce serotonin due to the physiological damaging effects of alcohol has on the brain. Hence, the brain needs serotonin, but instead of treating the cause, we turn our backs and take alcohol or even barbiturates, which again lowers the need for serotonin without actually resolving the cause.
Hence, the addiction cycles becomes vicious and the more alcohol is taken the worse it becomes. Although I won't deny the blood sugar hypothesis to addiction because alcohol helps replenish the sugar. A much simpler solution can be seen by eating candies, toffees and chocolate. However I don't see any alcholic running to eat candies or even at least a glucose supplement to raise his blood sugar. Hence, in psychology, the science of addiction is understood to be serotonin as the primary cause of addiction and eating candies to raise sugar level or at least stabilize it won't help directly in reducing such addiction.
A more reasonable approach appears to be to take supplements to HELP in raising the serotonin levels as being the remedy to resolve this addiction problem. Obviously I can use generalized remedies against this through eating fishes (high in protein, an hence amino acid), eating brocolli and partially cook liver (high in vitamin Bs).
Of course a more specific supplement might more fitting in raising the serotonin. The most well known amino acid is the tryptophan, which helps reduce anxiety level and helps increase serotonin levels, but can also help in certain children (ADHD) with restless leg syndrome just the same. Firing of serotonin levels if it becomes problematic, can lead to restless leg syndrome, hyperactivity, anxiety, learning disorders, addiction, and even grinding of teeth during sleep (serotonin and heavy metals are implicated here). Hence, for an adult dose I might consider 1000 mg-3000 mg of tryptophan, for example.
The second one I think that has helped is the niacinamide B3 about 300 mg, biotin about 8 mg, vitamin C sodium ascorbate 1000 mg, and some B6 about 100 mg, zinc gluonate 50 mg three times a week, as well as the general vitamin B complex overall three times a week, as one possibility. Those are synergistic in helping the brain produce serotonin. But this list is not complete, without considering a tiny amount of lithium, which is a required nutrition. Its been known for ages that lithium helps stabilize the serotonin levels. This is one reason why a person who gets addicted easily to alcohol do so because his level of serotonin is unstable and lithium is implicated as one possiblity, as opposed to the blood sugar hypothesis. The dose for lithium is extremely small if we compare to people who take it for other reasons, and the dose that I find ideally are about 5-10 mg of lithium citrate or lithium carbonate. A bipolar disorder uses a large amount, such as 250 mg, but I think at that dose, they are physiologically damaging to the such size of the dose. Hence, I would much prefer to take supplements that help increase serotonin and stabilize them if an alcholic addiction or even a withdrawal symptoms, or even people who desire to quit smoking or drinking, a supplements such as these are called for.
Now I am not trying to discourage the use of glutamine amino acid, but there is some study to show that the increase of serotonin lead to a decrease in glutamine (Molecular Pharmacology, Vol 13, 640-651, Copyright © 1977 by the American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics, Inhibition by Serotonin of Amino Acid Release and Protein Degradation in Skeletal Muscle) and this leads me to wonder whether the opposite is true, such as increases in glutamine, leads to decrease in serotonin. However, what I can be for certain is amino acid supplements will generally increase the serotonin but a more direct approach might be to take tryptophan amino acid as a more direct approach. I will also at least consider niacinamide B3 as the second most important one, but others should not be generally ignored either.
Even if addiction is dealt with, I cannot ignore the negative effects alcohol does in destroying the liver, and certain supplements are protective of fatty liver from alcohol and hence granulated lecithin, one tablespoon. Assuming the theory of unstable blood sugar is at risk, well stabilizing the blood sugar are most effective from the lecithin and perhaps the glutamine, however, I would concentrate more phyisological dependency of the brain to drugs, cigarettes and alcohol as the primary consideration at the very least."
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12/15/2009: Lmc from Charlotte, Nc: "Ted's remedies for alcoholism
suffering from anxiety and depression, I have tried several recommened remedies: GABA, 5htp, Ltryptophan, and now b-complex with additional inositol with cholin. I have found that all of these remedies actually increase my symptoms. could my problem be something other than serotonin? If so, what is a suggested remedy?"
EC: Lmc is referring to Ted's remedies here: http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/alcoholism.html#TED
12/16/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Lmc,
There is another remedy that may detoxify the liver from alcohol, which is alpha lipoic acid taken along with food at about 100 mg along meal with some vitamin E, 200 i.u. and vitamin C 500 mg.
Suffering from anxiety and depressions needs very different supplements. This one deals with alcohol that does liver damage.
If I am looking at anxiety and depression I will likely look at 600 mcg of selenium and amino acid supplements, and perhaps niacinamide B3 500 mg to calm things down."
08/30/2009: Devon from Johnson, Vt: "Hey Ted, interesting article on Alcohol addiction. I was surprised to see very little on Glutamine, but then at the end noticed it mentioned. From what I was reading Glutamine under the tongue can have an immediate effect on alcohol craving. Also, I noticed you singled out Seritonin entirely as the nerotransmission basis for your article. Makes me curious about the other transmitters; in particular I thought that dopamine release was related to alcohol as well. Finally, I thought that Kudzu would be a worthy mention as well. Thanks for your article."Replies
05/06/2011: Tittiger from Springfield, Missouri, State Of Missouri replies: "Hmmm do not see where to post a new thread so I reply instead.....
It seems that the Gentleman that started AA origionally included a large (3 gm) dose of Niacin as part of the program but that was buried for y. A lot of this is included in the book "The Vitamin Cure for Alcoholism: How to Protect Against and Fight Alcoholism Using Nutrition and Vitamin Supplementation"
To make things short these are the supplements suggested in the book:
B vitamins complex - plus B3 niacin 3,000 mg
vitamin C 2,000 mg
amino acid L-glutamine
It worked miracles with my cravings. Read the book if you have to."
05/06/2011: Diamond from Salisbury, Ma.usa replies: "Tittiger;I do not feel that what you are writing or copied per se' is totally accurate about an alcoholic, it takes much rigorous work such as mental, emotional, physical and spiritual to help with alcoholism. Please be aware of what real damage can do if any drunk should feel this really works.
If vitamins are not a sure thing for a sick or dying person then who is to say that the vitamins you say or copied are rest assured to work? Not.
There are millions of alcoholics still out there too ashamed to go to AA with hopes one day there will be an easier, simpler cure. In all honesty most of us may live on blind faith, I know I do. Good luck"
05/07/2011: Rethinking from Earth replies: "I think different people develop addictions for different reasons. Be it drugs (which includes legal ones such as alcohol), food, sex, prescription meds, overspending, coffee, sugar, fat, etc.
Vitamin therapy may work for some (it did for me), others do better with therapy, or AA, or meds, etc. This is because we are not all addicts because of one single reason. We really need to stop thinking in terms of "one disease, one cure". This is the basis of allopathy and look where it took us. Everybody is different. We need to find what works for us, as an individual.
I personally attended NA for a while, and while it is an outstanding group helping millions of people worldwide, it didn't work for me. I left every meeting having insane cravings because that's all we talked about: drugs! So I had to find my own thing. Cure doesn't come in one package. Find your own."
05/18/2011: Ricardo from Waterbury, Ct replies: "This is a response to Diamond on her comment. I use to think that way too. You know chemical imbalances and micro organisms living inside you can make you think and act differently that you really like to act. Addiction to anything can be clearly caused by these facts. Example: a person who suffers with Candida for example think that they love sugar and starchy foods. When you treat the disease the "LOVE" will disappear.
Alcoholism is not a psychological problem, lets think. The alcohol is loaded with yeast used in the fermentation process. The fungus already inside the body creates the necessity for the beverage. One time I gave some Candida treatment to my sister, very alcoholic, 45 years alcoholic, the worst case. She stayed away from alcohol long time, then later she went back to the addiction. She would not stay with the treatment a little longer, she was good for awile. With no counseling or AA, anything and she was sober for several weeks. Obviously she should stay longer until the detoxification was complete. If the psychological part was true how come she stayed sober for such long time?
One time I was on a sugar diet, I felt fantastic, the best in my life. I was thin and lean, the people noticing me. The problem is, it is a lot of work finding foods without sugar, a full time job. My love for sugar disappeared completely. Now I know that an addiction has nothing to do with psychological problems. People with mind problems will do whatever wrong things they like to, but not necessarily be an addicted person. Addiction is a disease in the body. Too much toxins, nutritional deficiency and stress are the cause. All of this plus chaos electromagnetic. Treat these problems and all diseases will be gone. Take care."
03/12/2012: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "Strange. I was only a social drinker for about 15 years, the last 10 years being very rare that I had a drink. The first 5 years I would have a couple of drinks on a Friday after work--but not every week. Twenty years after I drank my last drink at a wedding (which was my first drink in 10 years), I came up with fatty liver disease. Would that small amount of alcohol have caused this? Dr. Oz says it comes from sugar. I found that taking milk thistle with artichokes helped a lot and ordering fresh salads with artichokes were helpful. I also drank dandelion tea religously. I was able to reverse it, but now it's back. I didn't know dandelion contained lecithin. I tried soy lecithin granules and had a severe allergic reaction. Never again!!! I've had gallstones come and go. Sometimes, when I noticed they came back, I would go out and eat a big greasy burger with fries. It would flush everything out of me. Seemed to work, anyway. Love this site and all the information available! Thanks, EC."
[YEA] 04/21/2012: Andrea from Glendale, Ca replies: "Absolutley an incredible and insightful remedy for alcoholism and addiction! I can honestly say, that after following Ted's thorough and simple plan addressing the several complex issues of addiction, my life has completely changed. I have tried every remedy (even Ambien and Lunesta as a last result would not work) for the insomnia associated with alcoholism. This brilliant and logical plan rid me of all of my withdrawal and cravings. The only thing I did not follow 100% was that I took his suggested supplements every day instead of three times a week. I did this for about a month. Now, I just take the supplements once or twice a week. It's like a miracle. I highly recommend the lecithin, as well. I really feel it helped my liver get back into shape! I frequently use this site for other ailments. I don't know why it never occured to me to look up "alcoholism" until recently! Thank you Ted and Earth Clinic!!"
03/07/2014: Danial from Berlin,germany replies: "Hi Andrea, great, very happy on your success, Congratulations.I am in th e same boat and want to quit alcohol.Would you like to tell me how have you taken L-tryptophan, B3, and other vitamins?Did you quit alcohol cold turkey or gradually?Did you drink any alcohol during treatment or notice any interaction with vitamins or L-tryptophan.I want to know your whole protocol of supplements and vitamins.I am in great trouble.Please help me if other ECs members have any information and experience about this topic .Thanks in advance for any feedback."
03/07/2014: Mike62 from Denver replies: "Danial: I had drinking problems off and on for 30 years. When I was bored and unhappy, bogged down in civilizations ludicrous hype, sometimes I would turn to alcohol. That became a habit. When I liked what I was doing and the people I was doing that with I became interested in becoming proficient so I stopped drinking. When I was homeless instead of drinking I read books. I was always interested in whatever I was reading. When I got disability I learned to operate a computer and studied folk medicine. I have not drank too much in 20 years. There are 2 addictions. 1 is the buzz. The other is the mechanical action of drinking. You can try this remedy to cure both addictions. Put 100g activated barley in 1 gallon of water. Sip on that all day long. Activated barley has enzymes to give you a buzz and sipping replaces the mechanical addiction. Try getting interested in something. You can do like me, read books and study the way food affects cellular biology."