Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 07/03/2011

I don't know why you bother when there is a more stable source, and it's easy to find: gluthatione has negative millivolts, so do N Acetyl Cysteine, the same rule applies, in alkaline water. The cheapest is sodium ascorbate vitamin C.

Ted"

"If I may confirm with you, How much do you recommend to be added of the Sodium Borohydride in Alkaline glass of water and is it preferred to procure Sodium Borohydride is in liquid or powder form. Would a diluted Sodium Hydroxide or Magnesium Hydroxide serve well as an Alkaline water medium or do you recommend a safer approach Should Citrates be added to maintain longer activity in the user once it is consumed I was hoping to make a concentate batch that I can give to friends and family in need...does the relative hydrogen stay stable for later use or is it just in time type application.

Which metal hydride compounds(Magnesium Hydride, Silica Hydride, or possibly others) do you deem safe to add to Alkaline solution to create low ORP water for long term use and maintenance

Minus Hydrogen Ion generating powder- Coral Calcium Hydride
The Calcium Hydride powder I was sent from Asia according to Specifications sheet is calcified seaweed Coral...it has been clinically tested to emit relative hydrogen for 8 days in liquid solution and 8 hours once consumed in the human body...your various Alkaline/low ORP designs have been validated with this patented variance called Coral Calcium Hydride only problem they sell it for $300-$400 a kilogram. You are still welcome to experiment with the material if you wish.
Here are some studies and links to the material:
http://www.icb-co.jp/hion/english.html
http://www.icb-co.jp/english.html

Thanking you once again for your time and for sharing."

"You need to get an ORP meter. The negative or positive ORP is really like electrostatic charge in a liquid. It has limited useful life. Check a commercial Sterilox, used as antiseptic solution. The machines that produces alkaline water are not really alkaline, they are stored electrical charged in a water medium, and it's alkalinity effect lasts 24 hours. The basis of Kangen water is the same. The problem about these is THEY ARE NOT ALKALINE, the are briefly ALKALINE. The give off electrical charges, these negative electrical charges are the basis how plant grow. The sodium borohydride give off hydrogen gas, which is negative and you can lengthen the storage of this charges by magnesium hydroxide solution, or other alkaline medium. My favorite is sodium silicate. This is not taught in chemistry but is significant if we want to disinfect something that is non toxic, such as ulcerative colitis with it, but must add a little salt and a little bleach (see Sterilox). It is the basis of Nascent Iodine. My impression is you are interested in commercializing it.

Well it is not practical. You may consider a practical avenue, which is using Hydrogen gas stored in water, where they are preferably in plastic aluminum or plastic contained where you can sell it. They are already doing it that way in Japan. Just get a tank of hydrogen gas and water. That's the simplest way.

Ted"

"Hi Ted and thanks for your follow-up. Unfortunately here in Canada it is very difficult to sell any natural supplements without a Health Canada license to be allowed to stay on shelf and to make a claim. The problem I see is folks like myself are hesitant to use unfamiliar ingredients and the procedures have many questions attached to them while conducting the actual process. I was able to find a link with photos on the Sodium Borohydride method you suggested that can make it less dainting to attempt yourself as for my family and friends and most folks we may need to perform the recipes on their behalf because they are used to opening a bottle and take a pill and that's it.

....here is the link below I was referring ... do you recommend the addition of Magnesium/Potassium Citrates or Magnesium Hydroxide to retain the relative Hydrogen to their procedure or will Sodium Carbonate and Baking Soda suffice

Negative 800 ORP Water for less than a Penny http://missionignition.net/bms/ORP_machine.php

I am assuming that Sterilox was offered as an example of the ionizer as it seems to be an oxidizing machine used to disinfect....is there a way to infuse hydrogen gas in water ourselves or is the only avenue purchasing a single serving for $4-$5 a pouch...and the issue is storage stability hrough transit even when triple alluminum bonded pouch is used for 2ppm infusion.

Also you mentioned in lieu of Magnesium Hydroxide one can use Sodium Silicate how much is needed to serve it's pupose...I have Hanna ORP meter and needed to know are there certain markers to be looking for when adding ingredients...this is where I am getting stuck everytime...