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Struvite Crystals From Alkaline UrineQuestion by Connie (Tarpon Springs, Florida) on 05/19/2008
Replied by Joyce (Joelton, Tn.) on 05/19/2008
Another suggestion you might consider is that old remedy that EC responders are praising Juice of l lemon with 2 tbsps. of extra virgin olive oil, but unless you have a huge, fat cat, I would reduce that to juice from 1/6th of a lemon and l tsp. of EV olive oil. I wouldn't do this any more often than once per week and one way I can think of to get it down without a "cat fight" is to mix it in a can of sardines, since I have yet to meet a dog or a cat who didn't love sardines and I have never seen one harmed by the sardines (but they might not like the ones packed in hot sauce or tomato sauce). Our dog loves the ones in hot sauce, she also loves hot salsa, and foods we cook with cayenne! Your cat probably won't. If you are giving your cat milk, you might consider stopping this as they can also form calcium stones. Hope this is helpful, and let EC know how well it works, so others with cats might try the same. Joyce
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 06/04/2008
Obviously the changes in the diets lacked the basic understanding that the cause the problem. For my own cats I never had any problems because I fed the cat with simply fish and a water that has small amount of sea salt and a baking soda.
My approach has been non mainstream, but there's a reason why I did that. Sturvites tones are formed by ammonium, phosphates and magnesium. This is the basic component of it. Most of the foods was done to lower the protein levels which lowers the ammonium level, lower the magnesium levels, and increase the acidity in the urine. Now this is a real problem. If the blood acidity of the cats were apparent with acid forming food, the calcium in the cats get leeched out forming calcium oxalates. Oxalates are often found in spinach and vegetables too.
Now the reason why feeding a cat with fish help was that the rich source of phosphates came from meats and milk. I don't feed my cats with milk so obviously the phosphate levels will be low too. However, when you feed the cat with low protein diets, sometimes you add more vegetables, which are high in oxalic acid, especially spinach. I never feed my cats with vegetables and legumes.
Now why is it baking soda reduces the cat's ammonium phosphate level is that, when the digesting proteins, the cat will need bicarbonates to digest them into urea. If there is insufficient bicarbonates, then the protein degrades into an ammonium compounds such as ammonium phosphates which forms sturvite stones. On the other hand if i feed the cat with acid forming food, then it causes the blood of the cat to be more acidic, causing the leeching of calcium from the bones of the cat to form calcium oxalate crystals.
So obviously, cats with very alkaline urine will have low levels of urea content in their urine. Now urea is a complete digestion of protein where there is sufficient levels of bicarbonate, such as sodium bicarbonate or baking soda. The bicarbonates are reacted with the protein to be digested to form urea. A urea is a diuretic, lowering the concentration of the urine, causing less stones from greater dilution of the mineral contents. However, if protein digestion is impaired and improper amount of bicarbonates is in the blood of the cat, the cat cannot digest the protein so it is converted into ammonium compound with lowered urea. If urea is lowered, the mineral concentration of urine will be higher as less urea causes the cat to urinate less often. This causes stones formation regardless of whatever is done to manipulate magnesium, acidity or ammonium content of the urine.
Hence my own remedy for a cat is just to give the cat fishes, and a small amount of baking soda and sea salt. So the remedy that I used was 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt and 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda.
Interestingly in certain sick people, the protein levels of their urine is high, indicating improper digestion, but their urine pH to be very alkaline. Now sick people have high pathogens which causes large amounts of protein from dead materials resulting in urine pH of high in ammonia or ammonium compounds as protein breaks down, and hence the extreme alkalinity, which in the long term may resulted in sturvite crystals. The remedy that I have found to work in a very alkaline urine, with high ammonium compounds and high protein urine, but low urea is the same as for my cats. As a result the body will use the bicarbonates to digest the protein to form urea, increasing the urea content, lowering the ammonium from proper protein digestin, causing the urine pH to be more acidic, just by neutralizing the ammonium compounds but also assist in protein digestion and raising the level of urea. Sick cats or sick humans one simple test is the level of urea. If the level of urea is
low, then sturvite is a possibility, but in humans low urea level is linked to cancer and other immunity and autoimmunity disorders too. that is because the protein was not properly digested from lack of bicarbonates so the body becomes alkaline in a toxic way by protein digestion to create ammonium compounds.
Since phosphate of high levels were the cause of sturvite, I would not give the cats meats or milk, but just fish. The sea salt is 1/4 teaspoon plus 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda in one liter of drinking water is a mild remedy I used in preventing things.
So there are different approaches, but I don't like to use acid forming foods on cat, this will raise the oxalate crystals in cat, with a small but modest decrease in sturvite, which I think the current understanding is counter intuitive, at least for me.
Ted
Replied by Connie (Tarpon Springs, FL) on 08/10/2008
Replied by Connie (Tarpon Springs, FL) on 11/03/2008
I'm also very confused about the ACV, Sea Salt and Baking Soda issue. The vet told me that the reason that my cat had crystals in his urine was because the urine was not acid enough. His urine pH was 7.something and it should be 6.0. Won't sea salt and baking soda increase the urine pH
Also, what's the scoop on the ACV and the deterioration of the tooth enamel
I'm just really confused because there is not real consistency in the information that I'm reading.
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