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Question by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 09/29/2007

Subject: Is the Sodium Responsible for Blood Pressure or Is it the Chloride: While the problems of chlorides was known almost a century ago, not the sodium problem, many people keep arguing to me about the sodium. Sodium bicarbonate and sodium citrate don't cause blood pressure to rise. It is the halogens, in particular is the chloride found in sodium chloride, fluoride, bromine (this one is powerful) are the ones that caused the most problem based on my own observations. Here is some recent medical literature regarding my observations:: Med Hypotheses. 2004;63(1):138-48. Links

Should we restrict chloride rather than sodium McCarty MF.

Pantox Laboratories, 4622 Santa Fe St., San Diego, CA 92109, USA.

Low-salt diets have potential for prevention and treatment of hypertension, and may also reduce risk for stroke, left ventricular hypertrophy, osteoporosis, renal stones, asthma, cataract, gastric pathology, and possibly even senile dementia. Nonetheless, the fact that salt restriction evokes certain counter-regulatory metabolic responses-- increased production of renin and angiotensin II, as well as increased sympathetic activity--that are potentially inimical to vascular health, has suggested to some observers that salt restriction might not be of unalloyed benefit, and might in fact be contraindicated in some "salt-resistant" subjects. Current epidemiology indicates that lower-salt diets tend to reduce coronary risk quite markedly in obese subjects, whereas the impact of such diets on leaner subjects (who are less likely to be salt sensitive) is equivocal--seemingly consistent with the possibility that salt restriction can exert countervailing effects on vascular health. There is considerable evidence that sodium chloride, rather than sodium per se, is responsible for the known adverse effects of dietary salt. Other non-halide sodium salts, such as sodium citrate or bicarbonate, do not raise plasma volume, increase blood pressure, boost urinary calcium loss, or promote stroke in stroke-prone rats. Nonetheless, these compounds have been shown to blunt the impact of salt restriction on renin, angiotensin II, and sympathetic activity in humans. This may rationalize limited clinical evidence that organic sodium salts can decrease blood pressure in salt-restricted hypertensives. Furthermore, organic sodium salts have an alkalinizing metabolic impact favorable to bone health. These considerations suggest that restricting dietary salt to the extent feasible, while encouraging consumption of organic sodium salts in mineral waters, soft drinks, or other nutraceuticals--preferably in conjunction with organic potassium salts and taurine--may represent a superior strategy for controlling blood pressure, promoting vascular health, and preserving bone density. Further clinical studies should determine whether a moderately salt-restricted diet supplemented with organic sodium salts has a better and more uniform impact on hypertension than salt restriction alone, while rodent studies should examine the comparative impact of these regimens on rodents prone to vascular disease.

PMID: 15193367 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Replied by Sally_oh (EscazÃº, San JosÃ©, Costa Rica) on 10/10/2009

Funny, in 2009 my husband has high blood pressure so we've been doing lots of research. There is a lot now written that salt is not the culprit and that the no-salt is actually harmful! We use real salt, great stuff.

And my husband manages his blood pressure with 1000mg of magnesium a day: 500 in the am, 500 before bed. Works like a charm."

09/06/2010: Anon from Anon replies: "Hi Sally. I was wondering what type of magnesium is your husband taking. Is it citrate, chloride or something else."

02/16/2011: Bob from Raymond, Maine, Usa replies: "Hi, I have been taking ASV/Baking Soda for my gout, and it seems to be doing very well. Though I do have another problem, and that is high blood pressure 145-185/70-90 the doctor has me on Lisinopril 10mg and Hydrochlorothiazide 12. 5mg and wants to place me on a higher dose. Can you tell me what to do as I would like not to take any prescription Thank you.

Bob"

04/23/2011: Gary from Reno, Nv, United States replies: "Gary, About using magnesium for blood pressure, I would also like to know whick type to try. I have heard that Magnesium Citrate will elevate the blood pressues. Anyone have a comment on this

Replied by Kar (P.r., Mn) on 12/05/2011

To Bob from Raymond, Maine....My husband had also suffered from gout. He has been taking a Daily Essential Enzyme tablet once a day for over a year now and had only suffered a light case once in all that time. On that particular day he took a second one. It helps flush the uric acid quickly and has given no side effects.

Replied by Nevadasmith (Smithfield, Pa) on 03/20/2012

As to what type of magnesium to use - While I do not know what those who have posted used I do know that the book, The Magnesium Miracle, mentions how most forms of magnesium are not that well absorbed with magnesium oxide being one of the worse for absorption. Magnesium citrate is used by many due to it's low price but one of the most recommended forms is magnesium taurate.

Still my wife and I have been using magnesium taurate for some time without experiencing much of any benefit. We have now begun to double our dosage to 1000 mg a day and will see if that makes any difference.

Something else to consider that I learned recently: Insulin resistance causes you to lose magnesium and magnesium is essential for managing blood sugar. In the book, Living Low Carb by Jonny Bowden it says on page 299, "Insulin stores magnesium, and when and if your cells become resistant to insulin, you're not going to store magnesium very well. Magnesium is also necessary for the action of insulin, so the more magnesium you lose, the more insulin resistant you become.

Thus if you suffer from any sort of insulin resistance you will have a problem with absorbing magnesium. Recently we have both had higher blood sugar and are thinking that this could be an indication that we are in fact insulin resistant to some degree but have not had all the tests required to make a concrete diagnosis. Most doctors won't even order such tests unless there are very strong reasons for them to do so.

Replied by Pgill61 (Cameron, Nc) on 10/27/2012

I Manage my blood pressure with home grown organic cannabis. Extracts, tinctures, edibles, smokables. Before I got out of the army my blood pressure WITH the medication was about 165/110. but now with no meds, and a little cannabis daily I remain functional with a 120/70.

Replied by Rosinery (Delta, Nigeria) on 12/25/2012

Dear Ted... I have been suffering from insomnia for the past four month and this is taking on torn on my life... My blood pressure is on the raise 150/80 sometime 160/90 and just be placed on blood pressure med.. Honestly the med. Is making me sick and making feel more depression... Actually I am getting better with the isomnia.. I was using over the counter drug(lexotan)but with load of side effect and the addiction factor... I got myself of the over the counter med. But the first few weeks where really terrible but I got over it... I still find it very hard to fall asleep but I am getting better by the day like I said... I am using lime and garlic blend together to make a cup of juice out of it... It make me fall alsleep as I take it before bed time and within 10min I am off but don't keep me in more than three hours... I am current preparing the acv.. Using guideline of making proceedure I read here to cure the high blood pressure... I will be glad if any one here can help me with other option on my isomnia and blood pressure. I am only 29yrs and my weight is fair 178kg

Replied by Angela (Highlands Ranch, Co) on 12/25/2012

I take 250 mg of Magnesium before bed and I sleep pretty sound all night. I have never been a good sleeper, so this has been like a miracle for me. Sweet dreams!

Replied by Steve (Las Vegas, Nv Nevada) on 12/26/2012

There is a supplement that has helped me with insomnia. The ingredients are Valerian Root Extract, Hops, Passionflower, and GABA which are all very helpful for enhancing sleep. Steve

Replied by Cindy (Anywhere, Usa) on 12/26/2012

What is the name of this supplement it sounds like something good to try for insomnia. Thanks

Replied by Rosinery (Delta, Nigeria) on 01/07/2013

Thank you all for your contribution and concern, I made a mess with my weight in the previous post, my weight is actually 78kg, two weeks ago, I went to the doctor after feeling very dizzy and tiredness without actually doing anything... I was shocked when I found out my blood pleasure has risen to 170/100.. the doctor advise I starting taking my drugs immediately and add more two drugs to the previous med.... I was really worried knowing I can not stand the side effect of those drugs as it make me look like crap the next day. My apples have been in water for just two weeks but due to the faith I have in Apple Cider Vinegar from all I have read, I started taking it like that.. below is how I take it.

Two teaspoon of acv
One teaspoon of honey
Six teaspoon of warm water

I also do excises in the morning and evening... I also added breathing excises...

Again I was told by the doctor after x-ray that I have enlarge turbinate on the left side and it will require surging which I didn't accept.

I can believe that my nasal congestion is almost gone within one week and my blood pressure is on the free fall.. 150/85 today and the doctor said you should continue taking your meds. Well I told her I didn't even take the meds and she was surprise and didn't believe me.

My falling asleep is also getting better but I still wake up three times a night but after taking few deep breaths with my eyes close I fall asleep again. Its a shame I can get most suppliment like gaba you guys talked about or the magniusm here in Nigeria. I could even get Apple Cider Vinegar organic here, I don't even know if the Apple Cider Vinegar I am using is good enough, It just apple I have cut into portion and put in water covered with white cloths but I did say its doing the job althrough slow compare to some of the result I have read here.

Any advise for improvement will be welcome.. You guys are wonderful can't believe I am getting this much attention after stating I am from Nigeria.

Replied by Gwen (Rocky Mountains, Usa) on 02/11/2014

Rosinery from Delta, Nigeria. LOVE is Universal! I'm sure sisters & brothers in Nigeria need the Love as we all do! Blessings to you healing :*)

Replied by James (Rockisland Illinois) on 03/18/2014

Ted, you state you use sodium sulfide in your blood pressure formula, but you say sodium thiosulfate may be used but then you seemed to prefer sodium sulfide. Is that because sodium slfide is better in the states its easer for me to get thiosulfate and with your patasium carbonate sodium nitrite formula, can 10 percent thiosulfate drops be added to your first formula Thanks in advance. I've learned so much from you. James

Replied by Green Augustine (North Wales) on 08/03/2015

Hi, with reference to Hops for sleeping etc, according to Stephen Harrod Buhner the herbalist, hops should never be taken by men as they are full of oestrogen, the female hormone, and severely reduces testosterone in men.

In the UK we talk about ' Brewers' droop' which comes from the idea that the master brewers, who always tested the hops and added them by hand to the vats of beer, could no longer satisfy their wives as a result of reduced testosterone after so much contact with oestrogen in the hops.

Just thought it's worth a mention. It's fine for women to take.

Blessings to all.

Replied by Dave (Colorado) on 12/12/2017

what strain, indica or sativa

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