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Want to talk to ted for an oral tumorPosted By Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 02/09/2010
In one of comments, Ted mentioned that shrinking the tumour is the easy part. Dealing with cachexia, blood clots etc is more difficult. Well, Please please help me shrink my tumour!!!
It is already sticking out of my mouth (so my mouth is permanently open). It seems to be getting a bit bigger with each day. There is a terribly smelling liquid oozing out of the tumour, which I can spit out to a degree and end up swallowing the rest. It bleeds occasionally, blood being mixed with the sticky liquid.
I can't breathe through the nose. I am so desperate I thought of going to Bangkok to seek advice from Ted personally. Please help me. Either by email or via the web site. Dorota
EC: Hi Dorota, weÃÂ have just emailed Ted your question.ÃÂ Ted has been out of touch for the lastÃÂ 10 days soÃÂ hopefully one of our other contributors will respond. Have you been able to seek medical assistance?Replied by Rena (Mineral Bluff, Georgia, Usa) on 02/09/2010
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Phillippines) on 02/10/2010
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 02/11/2010
A question with regard to the topical application. The tumour is inside my mouth. It touches the cheek but is not a part of the cheek. Is that really going to work? I'm happy to try, but I wonder.
Also, as I can access some part of the tumour (not all), I should be able to apply things to it directly. Rinsing my mouth is very hard because when you can't close your mouth things pour out and then the left overs can't be spitted out so they get swallowed. Even brushing my teeth is a whole gymnastic ritual! Unfortunately I get worried with things I am not supposed to swallow as I can't help it.
I am very keen to try the bloodroot tincture approach, but so far I still have not been able to source it. Rena from Mineral Bluff suggested a web site but they only sell the bloodroot paste, which from I understand I should not put in my mouth.
I have made approaches to contact Ted and I hope that he will reply soon. Thanks again Bill for a very helpful reply!
Dorota
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/11/2010
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/11/2010
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/11/2010
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 02/12/2010
I have trouble sourcing BHT, and this is what I found on some Australian web site, which is somewhat disturbing:
"BHT is a suspected human carcinogen. Animal studies showed BHA & BHT to cause metabolic stress, depression of growth rate, loss of weight, damage to the liver, baldness & fetal abnormalities. Dr Benjamin Feingold claims BHA & BHT are causes of hyperactivity and behavioural disturbances in children. Whilst difficult to substantiate, observations have shown that avoidance of BHA & BHT has significantly improved children's conditions. BHA & BHT both act as a synthetic oestrogen or xeno-oestrogen. Causes allergic contact dermatitis. Is a skin & eye irritant and slowly corrodes metals. Up to 13% of the BHT is absorbed through the skin."
Is this the same subtance or am I confusing something?
Thanks again, Bill. Kind regards, Dorota
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 02/12/2010
It appears that mouth tumors is commonly the Human Papilloma Virus, and the approach has to be unique enough to deal with it. The single supplement I know is perhaps the Lysine Hydrochloride to neutralize the tumor by killing it off. The second remedy I might do is the bloodroot tincture. To work, 2000 mg of lysine is taken almost hourly during the waking hours, say 16 hours. Then, 8000 mg of lysine is then taken before sleep. This should adequately deal with that. Those are taken internally. The lysine is taken perhaps intensively at least for a week or so (usually two weeks). A tablet of lysine can be used extra as a form of throat lozenges. A hydrogen peroxide is used as a mouth was (i'm assuming the cancer mouth tumor is on the mouth of course) , and is prepared at a 1% solution and done several times a day. To push away the cancer into non critical area, clove oil drops is added in a cup of water and kept in the mouth several times for about an 10-150 minutes or so. The hydrogen peroxide may initially cause the tumor to swell temporarily but it will kill it off by oxidation. As for the bloodroot tincture it's best taken such as say 10-20 drops and take small sips slowly down the mouth every 10 minutes at 5-10 cc, for a day or two a couple of hours at a time. It should be noted that a tumor can exist in the mouth if the person has already very low salivary enzymes and hence this encourages it. A digestive enzyme ( a good one in capsule but not tablet form) is taken throughout the day say at the same time the lysine is taken, so perhaps every hour or so. Food is taken at only two meals a day, and no dinner. The enzymes in your body should go to digest in the blood whenever dinner is avoided. As for the sodium bicarbonate and potassium carbonate (2: 1) say we take 1/2 teaspoon three times a day is only taken after meals 30 minutes twice a day, once in the morning and once in afternoon, again no dinner. Thai Monks don't generally get any cancer (it's a rare one) because they generally eat twice a day, no dinner. It's a long tradition that, I have regularly mentioned the use of the body's own digestive enzymes to digest the tumor by avoiding the dinner. There is a more radical method (safe chemotherapy), such as injection of digestive enzymes right into the center of tumor, but this idea is unknown by most health practitioners, it's a safer form of chemotherapy I thought up. Should I have been forced to do chemotherapy, my chemo is very likely be the digestive enzyme injected right in the center of the tumor. Of course, I am assuming that nothing is working and I just hit the end of the road.
I hope this answers some of your questions. It should be understood that the main remedy for a mouth tumor is very likely to be the lysine as mentioned, while bloodroot tincture, baking soda and potassium carbonate, HCl and other things I mentioned else where are the supporting remedies. Clove oil is the major remedy I used in moving cancer tumors to other places that are less critical, while HCl (hydrochloric acid) is likely to raise the immune system so the white blood cells can generate enough energy to kill the cancer. Cimetidine is taken at about 3 or 4 times a day so that the tumor can be seen by the white blood cells.
Hopefully this might answer some of your questions. If there is anything missing, feel free to ask.
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/12/2010
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 02/13/2010
Firstly, my tumour is growing from the roof of my mouth. I am not sure if that is what you define as "tumour in the mouth". I describe it as an upside down mushroom shape. it is attached to the roof of my mouth and then a large mass spreads around my mouth, branching out to sit between my jaw and the cheek. (I can send you a photo if that helps).
I have finally found a place that will sell me the blood root tincture. I have purchased some of the other chemicals. I am confused about vitamin C - there are people who warn against it as it makes tumours worse. ALso, I posted a question about BHT as it is listed as a carcinogenic preservative used in cosmetics.
I don't eat dinner, I find it easier to eat throughout the day, so that will be ok. I have problems swallowing capsules, and I take some things via enema or as a paste via rectum. Drinking herbs extracts is the easiest.
Holding a liquid in my mouth is nearly impossible, due to the size of the tumour, not being able to close my mouth and having to breathe through my mouth as I cannot breathe through my nose. Large areas, but not all of the tumour, are accessible so I could 'paint' them with something and let it sit and then wash it out. but some of it is bound to be swallowed as I have no control over that and the tumour touches jaw, gums, cheeks, tounge etc.
I am happy to try the lysine treatment but could you please confirm this is definitely the type of tumour you think it is. As I said, a photo might give you an idea too.
What do you mean about 'clove oil moving tumour to a safer place'??? does that imply new growth somewhere else, like metastasis? I don't understand this part.
Thanks again for your reply. I would very much appreciate some more clarification as I am totally on my own here.
Kind regards, Dorota
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 02/15/2010
Do you still think I should follow the lysine treatment? You are also recommending a higher dose of bloodroot tincture than in your other posts. (I take it your reference to 10-20 drops is in one glass of water?)
I am also a bit confused about the amounts of vitamin C to be taken, and vit B Complex (with the bloodroot tincture).
I'm starting on the bloodroot tincture, clove oil and most of your others recommendations (as I get the chemicals). I am really looking forward to having this tumour shrink/fall off (I have regular dreams of it just falling out of my mouth!).
In some of your other posts you recommended aspirin protocol. Is that useful in my case do you think?
Thanks again for your advice. Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Dorota
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 02/22/2010
I have started on the bloodroot remedy and the other secondary protocols, but I'm hesitant starting on lysine as I don't think this fits my tumour. Every doctor who's looked at it, keeps telling me it is a very rare type of tumour. I hope to get a reply from Ted. I included some other questions in my previous posts in reply to his. Thanks for your help. Best regards,
Dorota
EC: Hi Dorota, we'll send Ted your above post. Very little feedback from him in the past week, sorry!
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 02/23/2010
Lysine in general helps reduce tumor size in a matter of days. For me the typical dose is 1000 mg hourly for 12 hours a day. As for BHT, the labelling is careless, it's use in research circles to control cancer, that's why BHT is considered an antioxidant. I used it to prevent metastasis. In any event, vitamin C 1000 mg, lysine 1000 mg, are the ones I used when tumors get out of hand or are uncontrollable. The other one is BHT. Bloodroot tincture also is helpful, but the dose is fairly frequent for it to work.
Cancer cells actually can move and are mobile. If a doctor injects a chemotherapy for example to the liver area, they will move to another part of the body, for it to survive. This is always the case when using any anti cancer remedies, when it is applied topically.
Whether they are HPV, or other forms of virus, the lysine in general works against tumor. It just takes only 3 days to see the reduction. Lysine is used regardless.
A vitamin C is taken at 1000 mg x 4, bloodroot varies, but is often x 5 to x 8. A vitamin B complex is often taken as in B50 or B100 at 3 times a day to prevent cancer cachexia, when the body rejects eating food and swollen body.
An aspirin protocol I have used that had good results was to take 500 mg of aspirin dissolved in a cup of warm water taken hourly along with vitamin C 500-1000 mg with the lysine at 1000 mg for a total of 4 hours. Thereafter the lysine is continued for 12 hours, and then is continued for the rest of the week until the tumor does shrink, which it usually does. Bloodroot tincture is taken everyday. Hence the aspirin is just taken only initially to reduce the viral overload and maybe repeated again weekly or maximum twice weekly. Hence the aspirin is often taken only once a week at only four doses.
If difficulty swallowing, the lysine and other tablets is grind to a powder and then is dissolved in a glass of water and is taken by straws. If it is not possible to go through the mouth then it is tube fed.
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 03/01/2010
I noticed in one of your older posts that you recommended more than double the dose of Lysine. I know from experience that advice given to 'Westerners' can be watered down some time. I won't go into reasons here, however, I need to overcome this tumour as soon as I possibly can because it is very large. If doubling the dose will improve my likelihood of success or will speed up the process, then I am happy to do that.
Can you please tell me if I should go for 2,000mg of lysine per hour (I'm doing 1,000 now). Thanks again for your advice! I am terribly grateful for it. Kind regards, Dorota.
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 03/03/2010
A hydrogen peroxide capful can clear the lymph node drainage. That's 3% one half capful per 1 liter of drinking water.
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 03/07/2010
Replied by Tinkerbell (Austin, Tx) on 03/07/2010
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 03/13/2010
The lysine 1000 mg has to be taken hourly perhaps for 12 to 16 times a day.. A hydrogen peroxide 3% 1-2 capful per liter of drinking water plus 1/4 teaspoon of sea salt, is taken. Certain foods has to be avoided such as potatoes, tapioca, calcium, yorgurt, sugar, for example. Taking cimetidine 5 times a day may help. The main problem is the white blood cells does not see the tumor. Something was done correctly on day 3 and 4 which swells indicating immune system are up, but thereafter it should slowly shink, maybe not observable or perhaps it was not agressive enough. Aspirin dissolved in a cup of water whenever lysine is taken 500 mg for hourly for 4 hours, usually for one day, but if it is aggressive, perhaps taken for 2-3 days a week. A pH paper is measured for saliva to keep it to 7, so that this will discourage their growth to alkalinity and sodium citrate and potassium citrate is taken at 1/2 teaspoon three times a day at least usually empty stomach, but never before eating. A bloodroot tincture is taken with more frequency and dose, such as 10 drops at 5-7 times a day. Some cases, the person is low on zinc, in which case, once a week dose of zinc gluconate or zinc acetate 50 mg may help. Selenium 600 mcg a day also helpful. l- Proline 4000 mg taken three times a day plus vitamin C at 2000 mg x 8 are some things I also find helpful.
One additional supplements I am currently exploring is 1/2 teaspoon of tannic acid per liter of drinking water. This neutralizes the acetyl neuraminic of the tumor which prevents the white blood cells from seeing the tumor cancer of the mouth. In general HPV virus are fairly agressive and additional supplements may help.
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 03/27/2010
Please consider my case. I can't find anyone local to help me. I can email you my biopsy results if this would help. I feel terrible imposing on you like this, but so far I find your advice on this site (to me and to others) most useful. The alkilising recommendations etc have given me more energy and I feel great. I even eat a bit more (although can't put on weight). Please help me!
Also, I have a related question - I've read a lot here about Black Strap Molasses; I also know to avoid sugar in my diet. Can I still eat some BSM? I have aneamia and I thought this might be a good way to get in some more minerals into my system.
Thanks again. Please reply as soon as you can. I tried to be patient, but I see no signs of any change. Kind regards, Dorota.
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 04/02/2010
Kind regards. Dorota
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 04/02/2010
The problem about your treatment is likely to get the supplies. If the milder lysine doesn't work, there is a stronger remedy using bloodroot, or Cansema, which is equal portions of zinc chloride mixed with bloodroot powder. The use of DMSO in larger concentrations and using bloodroot tincture, lysine, fulvic acid and tannic acid will penetrate the tumor.
Unfortunately the issue appears to be getting those supplies. The bloodroot with zinc chloride, if used as a topical agent, can be mixed with DMSO at appropriate concentration and finding these appropriate concentration I need to test them on the individual person. Without this, I can only use a milder remedy. With that in mind, a cup of water mixed with 2 drops of 70% zinc chloride solution, plus 3 teaspoon of DMSO, and 1/2 teaspoon of bloodroot tincture may allow the solution to penetrate into the tumor easier. If faster results are desired, the individual may need to vary the milder dose to make it a stronger solution. The reason why lysine didn't work appears to be that the tumor's barrier, technically is protected by a chemical called N acetyl neuramic acid prevents white blood cells from attacking them.
A couple of ways are possible. One is to deactivate the N acetyl neuramic acid, such as a solution of tannic acid is added to the mix, such as 1/2 teaspoon along with bloodroot tincture and DMSO, being most important so it can penetrate that barrier. The trick is to find a concentration strong enough to do the job. To find that if the dose did result in a fever, it means the white blood cells can see through the tumor. To make it more penetrating a larger DMSO may be added more so that it becomes more penetrating. The solution can be held in the mouth until it does penetrate the tumor cells. In general it is best to see a doctor or practitioner in the area to see what they can do with the oral tumor. if the doctors refuse you for treatment, the other alternative is just to contact me directly to see how this problem can be sorted out: at this address
Replied by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 04/02/2010
I see that Tinkerbell wrote on 3/7 and advised drinking and eating a lot of mangoes. What is your diet like? I have said here on EC that I have seen many of the healing centers immediately get patients on a protocol of green juicing, wheatgrass, and enemas to relieve them of the cancer. See Brian Clement, Gabriel Cousens, Victoria Boutenko who all have turned cancer around through these protocols. That would be something you need to do immediately if you do not want to go the mainstream medical way. You can google all of them and find this info. Also, see Body Ecology to change the ecosystem of your inner terrain immediately. Probiotics, green juicing and cleansing the body are needed immediately. Get green juices in your body all day if you can.
It sounds like you are in quite a desperate way so if you are serious about this route then take action immediately beyond just trying lysine, baking soda, bloodroot etc. Go to the core of your body. I wish you the best, Lisa
Replied by Zagyzebra (Jacksonville, Oregon) on 04/03/2010
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia ) on 10/03/2010
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 10/03/2010
Usually a low sugar, especially sweet fruits as you know will slow the oral tumor growth. There is a study that I uncovered of using spirulina applied to the mouth area which was seen as useful in reducing oral tumor in about 50% of the cases in India. It was theorized, that it was the vitamin A component in the spirulina.
Also if a person is too weak, there are three combination of juices, prepared juicers, the grating/ compressing kind, using brocolli, carrot juice, and green apple juice, but mostly the carrot is taken such as 10 to 15 glasses a day. Some onion mixed is helpful. The broccoli contains some estrogen blockers that reduces the growth of hormones or Diindolemethane. The carrots contains a lot of beta carotene that reduces the tumor size by allowing the cells to convert back towards differentiation, and hence, normal cells. However, another well known vitamin A, is the retinoic acid, which is only found only in an acne medication that maybe applied directly to the tumor, which is commercially called "tretinoin" under the brand name I found in Thailand to be Retin A. The body produces very little of this and hence, the only way most people can get that is to apply it to the tumor or area involved directly. It's usually available (at least in Thailand) in most drug stores here. The other one I believe helps is the Lugol's solution, which is taken or applied to the area a couple of times a day, such as 1 or 2 drops 6 times a day.
Curcumin is also used to treat mouth cancers in a few cases. Weakness is due to lactic acid production by the cancer tumor which puts pressure to the liver, causing liver damage. The most important remedy to reduce the tumor size is the cells are in a state of edema. This means that when cells become cancerous, it retains sodium inside the cells. It works this way: the tumor is anaerobic respiration, using glycolysis to fuel their growth, but it requires a lot of sugar, and for every molecule of glucose the tumor cells uptake, two molecules of potassium goes out and even more sodium goes in causing this edema of the cells, hence the large tumor sizes. My common remedy to reduce some of those edema is to take 1/8 teaspoon of urea mixed with a little malic acid (or a less effective citric acid or a more common apple juice freshly prepared) to give it the sour taste to cover the urea tastes. The urea has a diuretic properties so that the body and excrete and reduce the swelling and the tumor size.
To reduce the swelling, unfortunately requires potassium bicarbonate and/or potassium acetate and/or potassium gluconate and/or potassium citrate. The preferred combination is equal portions of potassium citrate, potassium acetate and potassium gluconate. It is taken in a 100 cc of water, about 1/8 teaspoon preferably 4 or 5 times a day after meal. Don't take too much as it causes some loss of appetite. A vitamin B50 is needed to be taken (WITH NOT CALCIUM ADDED) at 3 times or 4 times a day.
In most conditions, some improvement should be noted with lysine (without calcium!!!) taken at 1/2 teaspoon three to four times a day. The problem appears that didn't work for you because the supplements taken companies usually add calcium to make it look larger, but most of them are calcium and they tend to promote cancer. All calcium tend to do that, not just the steroids doctors give.
There are two well known supplements, although I believe not easily obtainable in your area is the hydrazine sulfate and cesium chloride, which tends to block tumor or soften them. Cesium chloride is easiest to use and is used at 1/8 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon two or three times a day. Unfortunately cesium chloride as expensive, but they are a lot cheaper then Chemotherapy nonetheless and has to be taken sufficiently long enough to reduce their size, such as about 1 month's time.
Coffee enemas is commonly the method of choice to detox, unfortunately they tend to weaken the patient. The malic acid found in green apples is one of the few ways I used, or just the malic acid and the magnesium. The mixture is prepared as follows, malic acid 1/2 teaspoon plus potassium bicarbonate about 1/2 teaspoon and then it is drank with a little water three times a day.
The foods to avoid is high fructose fruits, such as bananas, rambutan, pineapples, for example. High fats and oils are absolutely avoided as well as high fat fruits, such as avocado and durian for example. Meats are absolutely avoided, and vegetables mostly from broccolli. leeks, legumes and onions are preferred. I have seen a few remissions on cancer with the use of lettuce, broccolli and onions. In a few cases the bloodroot tincture seems to work fairly well if applied to the tumors, but again, it depends on your supplier. All seeds from peas, soybean, sprouts, pumpkin seeds, red beans, green beans are avoided as they contain too much protein for the body to utilized. A protein foods is avoided, but is found in vegetables are easier to asimilate as are pure amino acid, without the protein. The pure amino acid should contain the essential amino acid and some non essential amino acid taken at 3000 mg a day, if possible.
If digestive enzymes can be found it's important so that when taken on an empty stomach in large amounts, it will digest the tumor. However, the doses prepared by most drug stores the dose will be too low about 100 times lower then the therapeutic doses however, even taken many of this is still helpful.
If I were to rank, the easiest to find and most effective in tumor issues here, it would be lysine (1000 mg x 4), green tea extract (250 mg x 4), fresh carrot juice, brocolli, and onions, vitamin B50, and curcumin. Magnesium chloride, digestive enzyme, hydrochloric acid and pepsin is absolutely essential for energy and digestion. It's most important to keep bowel movements to twice or three times a day, for most people, and I used a magnesium chloride drops roughly 40 drops x 4 to encourage some laxative effect. It is also most important to avoid anything with salt as they tend to increase tumor size, which is not desired because of their growth at the moment.
If urea is not obtainable, perhaps, using urine therapy is the only way to go, but it is added with something sour such as malic acid or fresh apple juice to cover up the taste, perhaps, 50 cc twice or three times a day, as most urea is a major component in a urine.
The entire protocol of cancer can sometimes be a bit complicated, but it consists of killing the tumor (from digestive enzyme, Lugol's solution, and lysine), tumor to convert to normal cells (retinoic acid, beta carotene in carrots), shrinking the tumor (from urea, urine therapy, potassium, taurine, etc.), detoxing (if you have energy, through magnesium chloride solution), blocking tumor's metabolic processes (2 deoxyglucose, hydrazine sulfate, cesium chloride, possibly polyol sugar as in erythritol - currently looking at that), increasing one's energy (green apple juice, fresh).and blocking hormones that support tumor growth (broccolli and cabbages fresh juices).
The biggest problem I encountered about treating cancers is to get the needed supplies. So get what you can from this long list. In any case fructose has to be below 5% with carrot juice to reduce the sugar content in juice so that final solution is 2 or 3% when mixed with carrot juice or cabage. Pure amino acid is required but not protein in meats.
Ted
Replied by Kay (In The Valley, Ca) on 10/04/2010
Replied by Dorota (Perth, Wa, Australia) on 10/04/2010
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 10/04/2010
Ted
EC: Note: Ted had not seen the two latest questions from Kay and Dorota when he emailed this. We will post his response as soon as we hear back.
Replied by Carly (Seattle, Wa, Usa) on 10/05/2010
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Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 10/07/2010
Protocol is still the same.
Dear Dorota:
To reduce the quantities, requires reducing water intake. Therefore, if carrot juice cannot be consumed, then, use beta carotene, but without the calcium. If you can't consume green apples, fine, then just consume malic acid, with a small amount of water so they can be tubefed. Malic acid is synergistic with magnesium, and magnesium chloride added helps.
Ted
P.S. To establish contact link with me, just use Skype. My skype name is parhatsathid. I remember a case of an Australian who got large dose of vitamin C intravenously and was cured, although the exact details is omitted by the news. But vitamin C can be tube fed also.
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 10/07/2010
Abstract: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/293/2/194
Ted