Upper Back Pain Since Moving

Posted By Rebecca (Big Bear Lake, CA) on 05/07/2025

We recently moved to a new town which we love. It is Big Bear Lake in California. This issue is that when we are there I have upper back pain on both sides. I thought it was from the high mineral content in the water impacting my kidneys - and it may be. However, I have been using bottled water (not a great solution, I know) and we installed a filter on our kitchen faucet.

I still have pain while there. We are traveling this week and NO pain. I only have the pain while in Big Bear. I am tried ACV, some "stone breaker" capsules found online and a peptide for kidneys.

Obviously, since we are living here now I need to find a solution. I cannot have back and/or kidney pain 24/7. Many people in the town do complain of an increase in kidney stones. I always thought kidney pain would be more mid back. My pain is just above my waist line on both sides.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Replied by Art (California) on 05/07/2025

Hi Rebecca,

You may find the following link of interest :

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10095945/#:~:text=Some studies pointed out that, and fatigue caused by hypoxia.

Here is a relevant quote from the link :

' To our knowledge, there are few epidemiological investigations regarding LBP in people living in mountainous areas. Some studies pointed out that the potential risk of chronic LBP was increased among miners at high altitudes due to the decreased muscle endurance and fatigue caused by hypoxia.8 A study also showed that rural mountain residents walked up and down steep slopes on a daily basis, which increased the mechanical load on their bodies and may lead to musculoskeletal disorders such as knee and low back pain.9 '

You can use a finger clip on oxygen meter to test your oxygen level before going to Big Bear and again after being there for a day or two to rule that possibility in or out. Here is a link to typical devices :

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=finger+mounted+oxygen+meter&crid=Y1OWMTSTTK90&sprefix=finger+mounted+oxygen+meter,aps,181&ref=nb_sb_noss

It requires oxygen to overcome hypoxia if that turns out to be the cause.

Something you can try to see if it helps is melatonin lotion (ML) applied to the lower back as ML can have analgesic effects as discussed here as well as how to make it :

https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/melatonin-lotion.html

Melatonin can also offer some protective effects in hypoxia as discussed here :

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213231725001181?via=ihub

Here is a relevant quote from the link :

' Melatonin showed a promising profile as a mitochondrial modulator. The specific effects on mitochondrial Ca2+-activated F1Fo-ATPase regulated the cell energy metabolism impaired in H/R conditions and protected against oxidative damage induced by mitochondrial ROS production. This made it potentially useful in therapeutic settings such as ischemia-reperfusion, metabolic diseases or other mitochondrial dysfunction conditions involving mPTP opening and mitochondrial SOX overproduction. '

It is worth mentioning that ML ultimately goes systemic over a 24 hour period after applying ML to the skin.

Supplements that are helpful for improving oxygen levels are discussed here :

https://restorativemedicine.org/journal/crucial-role-oxygen-health/#:~:text=Certain dietary supplements such as, oxygen consumption V̇o2max.

Here is a relevant quote from the link :

' Certain dietary supplements such as Ginkgo biloba, coenzyme Q10, and beetroot juice can increase oxygenation through enhanced blood flow while branched-chain amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids can improve maximum oxygen consumption V̇o2max. Additionally, omega-3 fatty acids and vitamin D may reduce the incidence of sleep apnea while N-acetyl cysteine may protect against hypoxia injury related to sleep apnea.'

If hypoxia turns out to be the cause of the lower back pain (LBP), the above should be useful in overcoming the hypoxia until your body hopefully adjusts to the higher altitude.

Art

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Replied by AA (Japan) on 05/08/2025

He has upper back pain, not low

If I were him I’d move immediately. Life is short to spend time on figuring out the environmental hazard. There are area where we feel well almost instantly and where we barely survive. For me it is Hawaii where I thrive. For my child it is Latvia’ coastal area where she went from being always sick (from birth) and skinny to the picture of health after spending a summer in Latvia with her grandmother.
I also used astro-cartography to learn which places on Earth are good for my health and which I better to avoid. It is based on my day, time and place of birth.
One could be skeptical about it, yet it did confirm that Hawaii are good for me. I just requested the 3 best places to live for my health never mentioning Hawaii.
There are also natural vortexes that are conducive to healing, Sedona for example, but there are few more.

Remember, one will never get well where he got ill.
So cut your losses and move. Make sure you know where not to move. Astro-cartography can calculate it for you.

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Replied by Art (California) on 05/08/2025

I was confused by the title of the post that says "upper back pain", but in the post Rebecca says, ' My pain is just above my waist line on both sides.' So it is lower back pain that she is describing.

Art


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