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Looking for suggestions on disc degeneration and treatment

Posted By Kshitij (Kampala, Uganda) on 11/21/2013

Looking for treatment and management of degeneration of disc condition.

Replied by Mike 62 (Denver, Colorado) on 11/21/2013

Kshitij: The dosages and ratios of vitamins a, d, and k2 hold an important part of the answer. Most vitamins act as co-factors to protein function. Vitamins a and d regulate the activity of genes to produce proteins. K2 activates these proteins to bind calcium for bone remineralization. All foods are very low in d. Blacks get 6 times less d from sunlight as whites. 5000 units of d3 and 30, 000 units of a costs 5 cents. Humic/fulvic acids, xeronines, and k2 are in raw organic and grassfed foods. Eat as much of these as you can. K1 can be converted into k2 when digestion is good. K1 is in organic spices like parsely, basil, sage, and thyme. To improve digestion make home made live ferments. Make green smoothies from organic baby leaves. They contain growth factors not in mature leaves. Eat raw organic whole dried cane sugar for carbs.

Replied by Prioris (Fl) on 11/21/2013

Look up Herniated Disc and Degerative Disc Disease under ailments where it talks about Hyaluronic Acid. You need a highly absorb-able Hyaluronic Acid, e.g., Biocell.

Replied by Liz (Ireland) on 09/23/2014

Hi Prioris.

Thankyou for your reply. I googled Bio Cell and www.vitacost.com do capsule form 240 capsules with collagen. Would the tablet form be as beneficial as the powder?? My mum would probably find the tablets easier to take if they worked the same. Would 100mg tablets be too much to take in one day? I seen a post earlier further up say 20mg a day was enough and 100mg would be too much. Any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated, the pain in my mums arm is keeping her awake most nights and I'd love to be able to help her.

Replied by Prioris (Fl) on 09/24/2014

I haven't tried the powder but I assume it should work as well. It all goes thru the same digestion process.

Tablets are more convenient for me also.

As far as 20mg being enough, it is irrelevant if she is depleted of HA. The goal is to pump up her levels so her body can heal. Don't worry about overdosing. For someone who doesn't have degeneration disease, it could be enough. First step is to get her functional and remove as much pain possible.

She can experiment with maintenance dose and find out what is right for her. If she has degenerative disease, she will have to keep the dose up. degenerative diseases are caused by infection. If not, she could do ok on something lower.

The reason why sleeping can be so painful is because the spine and even joints are all inflamed. Hence any pressure on them becomes painful. Once they get replenished, she should sleep more comfortably.

People who have trouble sleeping on hard surface beds probably have medical conditions. I sleep comfortable but I notice my spleen tends to be inflamed so not perfectly comfortable on my back. that is due to ME/CFIDS etc. Another back problem could be due to kidney or bladder infection.

She may find she has other problems she didn't know she had once she addresses this layer so one problem at a time.

Replied by Prioris (Florida, US) on 09/24/2014

Lets make sure we are on same page

Each 2 Biocell capsules contains

BioCell Collagen II, providing: 1000 mg
Hyaluronic Acid 100 mg
Chondroitin Sulfate 200 mg
Hydrolyzed Collagen Type II 600 mg

Make sure she takes it on EMPTY stomach. Make sure she drinks enough water also say at least 8 ounces when taking capsules. Before bed time or upon rising is probably convenient time for her to take capsules.

She should take a minimum of 3 capsules per day. She can do LOADING phase and take more first week. It accumulates in body which is what we want it to do. I'd have her do 4-6 capsules every day for first week and then drop down to 3 capsules after that.

So 3 capsules would equal a Biocell Collagen II formulation containing ...

Hyaluronic Acid 150 mg
Chondroitin Sulfate 300 mg
Hydrolyzed Collagen Type II 900 mg

Replied by Liz (Ireland) on 09/26/2014

Thank you so much for all your help and all the information, it's more than appreciated. I will order her the biocell and start her on them next week. I will keep you posted on how she is doing :)

Replied by Liz (Ireland) on 10/26/2014

Dear Prioris

I just wanted to let you know, that my mum has found a huge improvement since taking the tablets and wold like to thank you for all your help and advice, me and my mum really appreciate it. xx

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