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Fighting systemic candida for 25 yearsPosted By Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 03/17/2015
I've tried minimal Lugol's, and have never tried Borax or Baking Soda... but there's so much information, I don't know where to start.
If I could get some direction, that'd be SUPER.
Thanks so much! Steve
EC: Hi Steve, For some of the best information on Earth Clinic about candida, please check out Bill Thompson's Candida Diet Protocol page here.Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 03/17/2015
I would also urge you to take the protocols as advised -- all of the protocols -- and please don't take short cuts. You should supplement the dosages advised -- do not use multi-vits.
Please also be aware that when you start any successful candida protocol then initially, when you start, you will feel worse for a while. These symptoms are simply the die-off and heavy metal toxins that will be released into your body. Later, when you get the numbers down, you will continue to feel better and better.
Lastly, an appeal to all those people who have bought my candida book -- Candida: Killing So Sweetly. There are one or two reviews on Smashwords that claim that the Gum Turpentine used in my protocol is a poison even though I prove, in the book, that gum turpentine is far from being a poison. So could all those people who bought this book please just give an honest review either on Smashwords or Amazon.com. Very much appreciated.
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 03/18/2015
If there's nothing wrong with taking the MMS, I will probably continue it 'til I can read the book and get the products!
I have 25 years of terrible chronic constipation, fatigue, chronic weight loss, and now my head problems (i.e., pressure, wriggling sensations, etc.). I used to be able to detoxify when younger after using products and changing diet... now my detox channels appear completely blocked, and nothing seems to detox (i.e., nothing ever comes out of me). I'm hoping your protocol can do the trick.
1) I heard that with such a long standing candida problem, nothing taken by mouth will eraticate it... and that ONLY things taken by IV will work (e.g., baking soda, etc.) Is that true?
2) Also... is it OK to take DMSO with any parts of your protocol to enhance absorption?
3) Can candida become resistant to any parts of the protocol (or any of the products)?
4) Is the protocol also a parasite cleanse... so that I wouldn't have to do a separate cleanse parasites?
5) Is it OK to do coffee enemas for helping with detox? Near Infra Red saunas?
6) How long should I roughly plan on being on the protocol?
Thanks so much. I will read the book and the protocol, and try to follow it to a "T". I've already totally been on the DIET for the past several years... so that's NO problem at all, although I do miss many foods!
Take care!
Steve
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/10/2015
Questions on turpentine:
So sorry for another question.. but I've been sick for so long... and now with these terrible Candida symptoms in my head, I just want to do everything as 'right' as I can.
1) For all the Candida symptoms I have going on in my head (tightness, pressure, wriggling, etc.), do you recommend Turpentine with sugar cubes, honey, or castor oil, or a rotation of these?
I want the Turpentine to reach the blood brain barrier for sure.
2) I plan on doing 4 days on... then 2 x's a week thereafter for at least 6 weeks.
Thoughts? Thanks so much... Steve
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/11/2015
Here are some answers to your questions:
1) Sodium Thiosulfate: I can't find anywhere that carries drops. Is the powder or crystal forms OK? Do you know of a LINK to best purchase this stuff?
You can buy the 10% Sodium Thiosulfate from any aqua-culture shop that sells display fish and fishtanks. That's where I got mine from. Fish are far more sensitive to heavy metals and chlorine than we are because they are breathing in the water. So this form is easily pure enough for humans. You can also buy the ST flakes on ebay.com or Amazon. Just add a flake -- approx. equivalent to the size of one grain of rice -- to a glass of water and you have your correct dose.
2) Tony says to mix with Vitamin C... but aren't I taking vitamin C during the day with other supps?... and don't I take ST at night?
You can mix ST with Vitamin C without problems. ST is an anti-oxidant just like Vitamin C so there's no clash. It's beneficial to take ST at night because it helps you to sleep.
3) How long will I be taking Sodium Thiosulfate?... and what about the Pro-biotic factor?
How long is a piece of string? Everyone is different. One answer I can give is that you should take ST until you are completely detoxed or cured. In my case, I used ST successfully in my own protocol against candida. And I'm still using it -- 9 years later -- for detox because I don't trust the food I buy in the Philippines where I live. There are Monsanto test farms all over my region. But that's just me being paranoid I guess.
I don't really favour taking probiotics at the beginning of an anti-candida protocol. Your intestines is about 30 ft long and has the approximate surface area of a tennis court. So taking such a small amount of bifido or lacto or whatever is rather like the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae. They put up a grand fight against 100, 000 Persian but in the end they were all slain to a man. Probiotics = Spartans; Candida = Persians. That's why I think its much better to take probiotics when you have first considerably reduced the candida numbers in the intestines.
4) ... same question about Molybdenum? If I'm doing the 900 mcgrm. approach, how long will I be taking it (i.e., how many weeks)?
Same answer as above. Take it until you no longer get the Herx reaction from candida waste poisons and that wont happen until you successfully get the candida numbers down. Ted from Bangkok advises taking 25 mgs to 100 mgs of Moly for two weeks only and then taking a week off. But your dose is quite low -- only 2.7 mgs per day -- so with the capsules you wont have to do this. Buying the powdered form of Sodium Molybdate is quite difficult. So just take the capsule form as advised instead.
Another quite useful piece of research that I came across yesterday -- from Dr Ben Lynch -- shows that higher dose Magnesium will act to successfully remove poisonous candida toxins in the form of alcohols from your body. So I would take a higher magnesium dose -- 750 mgs twice a day. If this gives you loose stools then just cut back by 250 mgs. Effectively, I am advising that you take the magnesium to bowel tolerance. Increasing the magnesium in your body like this will help provide extra magnesium to remove all the excess candida waste alcohols which will therefore act to beneficially reduce their effects on the liver(causing Herx) and on the brain.
Turpentine:
1) For all the Candida symptoms I have going on in my head (tightness, pressure, wriggling, etc.), do you recommend Turpentine with sugar cubes, honey, or castor oil, or a rotation of these?
I would really recommend that you first get rid of the candida, other pathogens, heavy metals, candida poisons and biofilms from your intestines using the turpentine/Castor Oil protocol that is shown here. The intestinal region is the throne of candida. Here is where you have large amounts of biofilm and heavy metals. This is the area where the majority of candida's waste toxins are generated and pumped out. These poisons have many bad effects, such as causing an increase in the permeability of the blood/brain barrier which is not beneficial. The other protocols -- the lugols iodine, borax and alkalizing -- will beneficially act in the blood and on the brain in their own way.
Later on -- when you've perhaps got the candida numbers down in the intestines you could perhaps switch to taking the turps with sugar or molasses or water or milk. Take this on an empty stomach for direct absorption of the turpentine into the blood.
2) I plan on doing 4 days on... then 2 x's a week thereafter for at least 6 weeks.
If you're a working man then perhaps taking the turps/CO protocol 5 days and then taking two days off at the weekend might be more convenient for you. And don't forget to take the full laxative turps/CO dose at least once a week(as advised in my updated protocol in the above link). This laxative dose acts to more rapidly expel candida, biofilms, candida poisons and heavy metals from the intestines.
Replied by Marcin (Toronto, Canada) on 04/11/2015
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/11/2015
1) Would you mind clarifying what I should buy?
Thanks for the Turp info. I will do the 5 days on, 2 days off (with one day doing the full castor oil/Turp flush).
I still haven't received my Turp (or several other supps yet)... so I'm finishing up an MMS protocol I was doing until my stuff arrives.
I've been doing MMS for 40 days now. It's claimed to be the best bio-film breaker of all (but I haven't yet had much relief).
2) How do you feel about Jim Humble's MMS? Should I be stopping it all together once I start your program? (That was my plan).
Thanks!
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/11/2015
1) Would you mind clarifying what I should buy?
Thanks for the Turp info. I will do the 5 days on, 2 days off (with one day doing the full castor oil/Turp flush).
I still haven't received my Turp (or several other supps yet)... so I'm finishing up an MMS protocol I was doing until my stuff arrives.
I've been doing MMS for 40 days now. It's claimed to be the best bio-film breaker of all (but I haven't yet had much relief).
2) How do you feel about Jim Humble's MMS? Should I be stopping it all together once I start your program? (That was my plan).
Thanks!
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/12/2015
1) Would you mind clarifying what I should buy?
If it's more convenient for you to buy the sodium thiosulfate crystals locally then I would just purchase that and use it as advised.
2) How do you feel about Jim Humble's MMS? Should I be stopping it all together once I start your program? (That was my plan).
I've been involved in advising a parents autism group for a while. Although MMS or CD does cure autism, and its a good protocol, many of the parent's kids got stuck on CD protocol with no further progress. I advised them to take the Turpentine/CO protocol. This seemed to have the immediate effect of restarting their child's expellation of parasites and candida from the intestines. I have since read many comments by the the parents where many have said that the turps/co protocol has had so many beneficial effects that they will never give up using it. Many are also now using the lugols iodine, borax and alkalizing as well.
But the main trouble with MMS or CD is that it is an oxidant or oxidizing protocol whereas turpentine, lugols iodine, borax and vitamin C etc are anti-oxidant protocols. Whenever you mix oxidant and antioxidant protocols they will react with each other to cancel out any benefits. That's why it's so difficult to successfully integrate oxidant protocols like MMS or hydrogen peroxide with anti-oxidant protocols like vitamins, minerals, turps, iodine etc.
What the parent's autism group are doing with their kids is taking the small doses of MMS throughout the day and then taking the anti-oxidant protocols in the evening. To be honest, I'm not sure how well this is working. Although CD only lasts for about an hour in the blood, anti-oxidants can last for days. Like I said, mixing anti-oxidant/oxidant protocols successfully so they don't interfere with each other is quite difficult.
Here is another doc which might also interest you. It gives several reasons why turpentine/CO is so effective and useful at clearing parasites, candida, biofilm, candida poisons and heavy metals rapidly from the intestines.
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/12/2015
Last question for now: 1) How long should I do the 5 days on 2 days off? indefinitely? Or, just for the first week... then go to 2x's per week? And when 2 x's per week, do I do the 'flush' version? (I believe the sodium Thiosulfate will also create quite a flush.)
Thanks
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/13/2015
Three months ago both my partner and I developed a severe tickling cough that lasted for many weeks. It wasn't flu or a cold because there was no fever, no sore throat and no heavy chest feeling. There was nothing else but an annoying tickling cough in the bronchials that would trigger continuous and severe coughing and it was waking both of us up continually at night and was quite debilitating.
Eventually we both suspected our split aircon unit in our bedroom. My partner also said that the air smelled funny. So we got the aircon unit thoroughly cleaned, including the air filter inside our aircon unit. Low and behold they found a fair sized dead and rotten ghekko in the filter unit that must been there for months pushing out fungus and bacteria and goodness knows what else with the cooled air. And after the cleaning and disinfecting -- no more cough problems.
If you suspect fungus in your lungs(can be due to aspergillus or candida) I would perhaps get your house or apartment checked for fungal mold to be on the safe side. Black mold produces spores that can easily cause lung, skin and ear problems.
1) How long should I do the 5 days on 2 days off? indefinitely? Or, just for the first week... then go to 2x's per week?
I would use the 5 days on 2 days off protocol much later on down the timeline in your protocol because when you start the Turps/CO protocol you will almost certainly get a large die-off or Herx reaction plus detox reactions. So best be kind to yourself and initially just use the one day on, one day off method because the Herx/detox symptoms will be less severe -- use it 3 this protocol times a week only and, on one day during the week you should take the full turps/co laxative dose.
Later on, when you've managed to clear the intestines sufficiently of candida etc, you can then switch to the 5 days on, two days off method using the turps/co. You can use this protocol for about six weeks and then I would take at least a week off before restarting this protocol again.
If you are losing weight then you will need to take the Liver Protocol to help the liver. I also suspect that you have low stomach acid(which can also be linked to low thyroid) so you should also take the Low Stomach Acid protocol that is described and explained here. Just taking the Betaine HCL + pancreatin enzymes(with bromelain + papain enzymes) should help you digest your food properly again as well as help to protect your intestines from any further pathogen invasions.
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/13/2015
Wow... thanks again for all the 'tips'... it really helps me to figure out how to do this full protocol... and I hope I don't have black mold in my house, but I'll have to get it checked out! I know I don't have any Geckos... LOL. That's just crazy!
Couple more questions as I get started:
1) The sample schedule in the book says Baking Soda alone (or with ACV, Lugol's or sea salt) at 8:00,2:00, and 9:00pm... so, 3x's per day. But it also lists Baking soda to be taken with other supplements at 11:00,3:00, and 7:00pm...
... which would mean taking the Baking Soda (with various supps) SIX times per day. Is that correct?... and is it cool to take the 1/4 Tsp 6 times per day?
2) The sample schedule also does not show when or how much Borax water to drink. I will make my liter with 1/8 tsp in the morning... but how many ounces do I drink with each dose, and how many doses?... with, without meals, etc.
3) Is it OK to start the supps (e.g., vit. c, zinc, etc.) a week after starting the 'killers' and alkalizers? (I don't have 'em all yet).
4) Am I basically doing EVERYTHING for approx. 6 weeks, then taking a week off and starting it all again?... or should I just check in with you?
I think those are my last few questions before really starting... I've weaned off the MMS, and am ready to make the change. I'll definitely keep you posted.
Thanks so much!
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/14/2015
Regarding diet... Jennifer Daniels says that in order to eradicate Candida, there should be NO meat, NO fat, NO oils, and YES fruit. Wow... that sounds very different than what's recommended in the Candida book (which allows for fats, oils, and meats in moderation).
I'm totally stumped with this conflicting info. What is the answer to this dilemma?
Also... is it OK to be eating things like root vegetables (yams & sweet potatoes), split peas, lentils, etc., ... and how about things like spaghetti squash, acorn squash, or butternut squashes?
How about butter and/or ghee?
Thanks... clarification would help immensely!
Steve
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/15/2015
Unfortunately most meat in America is also pretty bad. Farm animals in America are regularly given vaccines, steroids and antibiotics plus a plethora of other drugs and they are usually also fed cheaper GMO feeds from an early age. So when we eat these meats -- we get all these drugs and chemicals too which are extremely bad for us.
If you prefer, you could eat just a vegetarian diet as your ant-candida diet. But I think its perhaps more wise to add a little organic meat to this diet( as advised in the protocol) since vegetarian diets are known to lack certain important nutrients such as lysine, vitamin b12 and carnitine.
In the book, I also only recommend and talk about food categories(proteins, fats, carbohydrates etc). I try and avoid actually recommending recipes. It should really be up to you what foods you choose to eat from these food categories.
Butter and ghee are good to eat as far as I'm concerned. But make sure they are organic and not chemically processed.
Basically the anti-candida diet in my book recommends against eating unnatural chemically processed food. So just make sure to buy organic and if you can't get that then buy locally grown food from a local market. And if you choose to eat an organic vegetarian diet then the guidelines in my anti-candida diet will still apply.
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/16/2015
I feel exactly like you do... MEAT is needed for healing and repair. Jennifer says, I believe, that unless you're doing vegan, the Turpentine, etc., won't work as well, and candida can come back. But I think if everything's organic, grass fed, etc., and oils/fats are organic, cold pressed and pure, it should all be good
To be honest, I've been on a strict paleo diet for years, and I LOVE it... but have NOT been able to get better. So I've been trying vegetarian for the past few days to prepare for the Turpentine, but I HATE it. I feel gross in the gut. So I'm going to have to find a happy medium. I think I'll go for 1 good meat/protein meal per day, with one root veggie, and one starch/grain meal.
And darn it, my turpentine is still not here! How exasperating. I have started the iodine and baking soda, however.
Thanks again! Steve
Replied by Marcin (Toronto, Canada) on 04/16/2015
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/16/2015
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/17/2015
Hey... I was thinking about the use of baking soda 3x's per day and was wondering how this might effect digestion (i.e., HCL), since digestion is supposed to be done in an acid environment. I do take my baking soda with ACV... but still wonder if the extra alkalinity might hinder good acidic digestion?
Thanks for your input!
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/17/2015
I just got my Turpentine. You wrote me a note several days ago that said:
I would really recommend that you first get rid of the candida, other pathogens, heavy metals, candida poisons and biofilms from your intestines using the turpentine/Castor Oil protocol that is shown here.
Unfortunately, I cannot find my print out of the protocol that comes up when you click on "here".
Would you mind sending that again?
Thanks so much! steve
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/18/2015
I've also checked this link in editor preview and it works OK. You should be able to click on the File menu at top left and either download the doc in Opendoc, txt, rtf or Word doc format from Google Drive to your machine and then directly print the downloaded doc from your computer or you can simply click on Print to send it directly from Google Drive to your printer for a direct print out.
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/17/2015
Does anyone have any good LINKS for some of the supplements to be taken on the Candida protocol?
There are a few I cannot find around my area. They are:
1) Molydbenum
2) The right kind of Lipoic Acid (R-Lipoic Acid?)
3) Vitamin C Sodium Ascorbate powder.
It is said to use the powder form of all supplements. Is it possible to get powder for ALL of these (including zinc, mag, niacin, etc.)?
Thanks
Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/18/2015
You can buy R-Alpha Lipoic Acid from here.
Replied by Steve (Beaverton, Oregon) on 04/18/2015
Hey... I looked at the R-Lipoic Acid options. Do I want R-Lipoic Acid ONLY in the ingredients... or with Biotin added? I heard that it's good to take Biotin with Lipoic Acid. Also... I still can't find Molybdenum... but I'll eventually figure it out.
Replied by Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 04/19/2015
http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Molybdenum-Glycinate-60-Veggie-Caps/52664
Hope it is what you are trying to find. Good luck!
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