Replied by Deirdre (LA) on 12/16/2018

You have mentioned shoulder bursitis in your recent posts and that nothing is helping. Have you read up on the symptoms for brachial plexus injury? I got this injury in 2016 and it took 8 months to figure out how to heal it. Had someone correctly diagnosed it, I could have probably healed it in a month instead of 8. Instead, I kept trying various therapies that made it worse.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/brachial-plexus-injury/symptoms-causes/syc-20350235

Be very careful with chiropractic adjustments as they can aggravate the injury. From my experience, PEMF devices may help temporarily, but can also make the pain worse a few hours later. Let me know if this might be it and I'll send you my tips as I too tried everything to no avail. Or look for my post on EC in response to another poster. It was a sleepless 8 months as excruciating pain starts up as soon as you lay down. So sorry.

Replied by Deirdre (Los Angeles) on 12/17/2018

Happy to help.

Yes, I think it's very possible you caused nerve injury by over-stretching an already vulnerable area. Before I got my brachial plexus injury, I landed hard on icy snowpack on the same shoulder a few times a year or two before that while learning to snowboard. So my shoulder was already somewhat messed up to begin with when the injury occurred during jujitsu training one night at the dojo.

Let me give you my list of don'ts first:

1. Don't use any massage, acupressure or PEMF devices or tools. While the tool can often relieve the pain in the moment, based on my experience, it can actually cause further damage and extend the injury area.

2. Don't stretch the area at all. Seems counterintuitive, because it feels good to stretch, but you need to give the nerves time to regrow.

3. Never again allow a chiropractor to give you mid-thoracic adjustment while you are lying on your stomach. He or she should adjust your ribs, shoulder and thoracic spine by having you lie on your back instead. Any harsh, downward pressure near the shoulder blade area may exacerbate the injury.

4. Avoid any motion that pulls your bad arm backwards. This is an important point because you may be doing something repetitively that is preventing healing to the area. In my case, I had to switch to a hip leash for one of my older dogs who was slowly walking behind me on walks and sometimes stopping short, torquing my bad arm behind me.

Temporary Pain Fixes While You Heal:

1. Hot showers pounding on the area. Brings temporary relief for about an hour.

2. Sleeping on your back with a heating pad on low. This was the only way I could fall asleep... it gets too hot after a while, but at least it gives a few hours of sleep. I used an infrared heating bad.

Unfortunately, no supplements helped whatsoever, including magnesium oil. And I tried all of them!

Therapies That Helped:

I did two things that helped tremendously within 24 hours.

First, I went to a sports osteopath who adjusted my neck, ribs and shoulder. I suggest you find a practitioner who works on a lot of athletes because they will be familiar with brachial plexus injuries and the dos and don't of nerve injuries.

I had two ribs out, in addition to my neck and shoulder being out. The shoulder adjustment was quite painful as I recall but greatly needed. I lay on my back for each area during the adjustment.

Still had some pain afterwards so the next thing I did, following my intuition, was find a myofascial therapist. I found a fantastic one in Los Angeles on Yelp who had extensively trained with John Barnes, who is the founder of the method. The myofascial work was absolutely incredible. She spent a lot of the first session underneath my liver, believe or not, because the area was so tight. She also stretched my weak arm out in a particular way that relieved pain on the nerves without causing further injury. I started to heal very quickly after the myofascial work. I only needed two sessions.

I don't know how far down my arm the nerve injury went, but it took another 6 months after the pain was gone to regain strength in my arm and be able to do a pushup. By the time I went to the osteopath and myofascial therapist, I had had alternating pain and numbness down my entire arm and was starting to get pins and needles in my finger tips. I had no strength in that arm whatsoever. For sure, some of the chiropractors that I saw over those 8 months made things worse, unfortunately, as they didn't realize it was a nerve injury and either adjusted me on my stomach or used an osteopathic vibrating tool or a PEMF device to help the area. Bad idea!

"General rule is that nerves re-grow at about 1 mm a day, which is about the depth of a dime, or simply one inch a month. Some literature say 0.5mm to 9mm but I typically go with 1mm in clinical practice. This depends obviously on age, amount of time the nerve was compressed prior to decompression (either surgically –which can hamper growth–or through physical therapy), comorbidities, site of lesion, etc. "

Source: https://intouchpt.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/nerve-regeneration-from-pt-perspective/

If you have any questions, please let me know. Wishing you a rapid healing!

Replied by Deirdre (Los Angeles) on 12/18/2018

Hope you had a better night!

I don't think wearing a neck brace would help, frankly. In my experience, you have to give the nerves time to regenerate and that takes quite a while. However, I think if you stop putting any direct pressure on the area (shoulder blade, under the arm pit, etc), hopefully you will have less pain in a day or two.

It helps to figure out what is aggravating the nerves. I made things worse and slowed the healing process down by constantly using acupressure massage tools and the dog walking issue I mentioned yesterday.

When I first got the injury, I just had an intense stabbing pain in my shoulder blade. However, after I went to see a chiropractor to fix it, he adjusted me on my stomach. A few hours later, I had shooting pain down my arm. Then I went to see another chiropractor a week or two later and that one used an osteopathic vibrating tool on my shoulder blade. Felt incredible for a few hours but then more pain, numbness and loss of strength in the arm.

For at-home treatments once the pain was gone, I got a soft airball from the myofascial therapist and, per her instructions, put it under my bad shoulder blade and extended my arm and stayed like that for a few minutes. That was AFTER putting the ball on tight spots along the psoas and laying on it with all my weight. See the diagram in this article (https://www.epainassist.com/joint-pain/hip-pain/what-are-the-presenting-features-of-a-tight-psoas-muscle) Not a comfortable sensation but works wonders! For some reason that the therapists can explain, releasing psoas muscle tightness in the abdomen is critical to healing in other parts of the body. My therapist also taught me to put my arm in the doorway frame and very gently stretch it. The key with myofascial release is that you have to hold each position for at least 4 minutes.

Not sure this helps, but hopefully another few ideas for you! Have a wonderful day!

P.S. Art had fantastic success using an ice pack on his nerve pain issues so you might read up on that in the thread Littlewing posted yesterday.

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 12/19/2018

I was a young 78 and I fell. Now, I'm an old 82. I was a cut-up, but you can't be a cut-up when you are in pain. It does not work that way.

Today we got our UBI from our integrative doctor and he sent me to get an x-ray of my ribs. I have hope, but when I don't, then that's gone and then we need Dr. Kevorkin. Just makes sense.

We live in a 3 level log home. Old folks only need one level with 4'doors and lots of hand rails. I knew this, but wanted to participate as long as I could. Think, I'm there.

No one should shed grief for me. I have lived a full life. Just got to figure out how best to live....... without a lot of carp from here on out.

Was Head Cheer Leader at Ga Tech and did all the flips and such. Not anymore. It's left...right ....left ....right. KISS....... kept it simple stupid.

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Replied by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 11/28/2018

Replied by Jim (Frostburg, Md) on 11/28/2018

Basic directions: Chew and swallow 2 or 3 rounded teaspoon-fulls of the flaked coconut per day. Being straight 'up front' here, I've never read of coconut curing a root-abscess anywhere; I only found this by a happy accident. In my own case the pain was gone in 24 hours. I couldn't believe it but a month later the pain began coming back. I chewed some more and 24-hours later, gone again.

Raw coconut has become my 'go-to' remedy. If I feel myself coming down with a cold or flu virus I take a rounded tsp 5-6 times per day.

BTW, I make a tea of the raw coconut using boiling water for my cats, giving them an eyedropper-squirt when one seems to be suffering various health troubles. I used to give them garlic tea and though it seemed to help, they hated garlic. I'll also share that between fresh raw chicken, the coconut tea, and some fish oil, all of my cat-health issues seem to be solved.

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 11/28/2018

I do appreciate folks like you that share what they have learned in life. I see my heart doctor Friday and want him to do another extraction fraction test to see what my 30 EDTA Chelations have done along with my Vit K protocol. I am also doing the Serapeptase thing. He blows smoke up my skirt by saying that he cures heart problems with nutrition. He has no clue. I use him for tests.

I go to my anti-aging doctor tomorrow and she will fill my fanny with Testosterone pellets. She also regulates my Estradiol .

Jim, I got a theory why we need term limits. Testosterone can aromatize into Esterdiol but not vice versa. That is the reason old men are ole wemmins. That's the reason old men cry. They are no longer warriors, they are wimps.

That is the reason our nation is in this condition, too many old men and plastic. Look it up. Not going to be my problem in a few years.

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Replied by Bj (Michigan) on 11/28/2018

Replied by Bill (Philippines) on 11/29/2018

So I tried the following protocol: Take 1/2 teaspoon gum turpentine. Don't swallow it just keep the turps over the infected area in your mouth for at least 2 minutes or for as long as possible. Turps is quickly absorbed by the skin and gums. I did this protocol every day, once a day. In a week the pain was greatly reduced and after a month no more pain. The turps completely killed the root canal infection and I still have that tooth today, pain free. So if this protocol worked to clear out a deep root canal infection it should also work to disinfect and heal a tooth abscess.

Replied by Tina (Princeton N J) on 11/29/2018

Replied by Robert Herny (Ten Mile) on 11/29/2018

My problem is that I followed the Allopathics in my youth with a bad Rx. Being a Ch E, I thought I was clever by saying, I'll just take my chemicals. The side effects are the reason I have issues today.

Oh well, I'll do better in the next life, if I don't come back as a goat.

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Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 12/16/2018

I may even go go a doctor. Is that a radical idea for me? Yep.

Thank you ........ ====ORH====

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn) on 12/16/2018

Tell me more. ====ORH====

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 12/17/2018

Send me those tips please, and I'll dance at your next wedding. I was in the Order of the Arrow and did the fire dance in my youth.

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Replied by Littlewing (Boston) on 12/17/2018

Deirdre's info: https://answers.earthclinic.com/atrophy-of-muscles-and-strength-in-arm.html

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 12/17/2018

Do you think a neck brace would help? I sleep on my back, no pillow, with a hand towel rolled up under my neck. That may be my culprit? I have a muscle relaxant???? I also take a diuretic for my heart situation. It keeps me dehydrated..... maybe thats not good. I also have Two Old Goat's Essential Oil from Texas. Anything from Texas works????? Except the wall.

Anyways,,,,, you are too kind to give me ideas. I am like Trump and always think I'm the smartest one in the room. No, that's not how I operate ..... I listen to folks smartern me on specific topics and that is the reason I was a very effective pulp mill guy.

Please respond to me in leagalesee so BIG BROTHER does not get involved. You know the routine.

Yo Redneck Buddy ====ORH====

FYI...... Tractor driver thought her shingles had returned last Friday and she began the PEMF program for that, 4 or 5 times a day. Today our Integrative doctor did a Vit C IV and gave her chill out homeopathic drops. We do a UBI Wednesday and she will stay with the PEMF routine for another week. Her shingles tingling has disappeared. HOORAY FOR OUR SIDE.

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 12/17/2018

You no longer have cancer. Do you give a sheet how the problem was solved? Nope, you just good to go. You will now live a full life.

Myself, I have lived a full life. I just do not want to go out in pain. I just want to go to sleep and wake up where the streets are gold.

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Replied by Alelen (Poland) on 12/17/2018

Replied by Janet (In) on 12/17/2018

Some thoughts re your shoulder.

We have approached injuries each time with this same thing. It may help.

Extreme pain. Progesterone cream and iodine. It seems to get the gut hormones woken up to smooth the way for any healing efforts. A drop or 2 of lugols 5%. And 1/4 tsp of progesterone cream. Both near the pain or injury applied topically.

When you wrote about your wife thinking shingles were rearing up. My mold alarm went off. The crazy varied mold attacks never have common sense. My 20 year old shingles path reared up only once. This year. When the contractors shattered our porch and water went behind the basement pine paneling. No visible signs or scent. Mold creates some crazy pain.

Particular to the finish on the pine. From the 50s we think. Something odd or maybe normal. The pine, where it was encountering water, drying, redampening had a peculiar scent and toxicity. Separate from the mold issue.

Your description of the pain. Sounds like a spur, not saying it is. That pain is devastating. A possibility to increase taking d3. We have upped it during a injury phase. 20,000iu, above standard dosing. The great thing and what I remain mindful of, our hormones. Our age and reduced hormone levels. D is a help with this also.

Although I do not pretend to have answers. I try to give an edge or success strategy to the things we have tackled.

Janet

Replied by Gertjr (Madison) on 12/21/2018

Replied by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe ) on 12/21/2018

Replied by Deirdre (LA) on 12/23/2018

I am so sorry to hear about your fall. Apologies for my delayed response. I have been working nonstop on the new site and haven't had time to respond to any posts and emails.

Hope you are recovering and in less pain. Please let us know how you are doing from your fall.

Many prayers and blessings for a fast recovery with less and less pain this holiday week.

Replied by Janet (In) on 12/23/2018

I could not even begin to know all of the things you do. I just cannot keep up.

I was doing some reading for a specific nerve issue. Not the location you are dealing with. It struck me, the mylein shealth! Boom! Bells Palsy.

I know of no other really good remedy as effective as this for nerve pain. I remember, it was you talking about weighting your leg, I think. I was writing someone about sciatica.

The pain involved with a pinched nerve, sciatica, Bells Palsy. If you could rebuild the mylein sheath around your nerves, you could reduce the pain at the very least. Just plain feel better.

In this email, Ted talks about the repair strategy for BP. We have applied it for other nerve damage that has cropped up. With great success.

https://ted.earthclinic.com/cures/bells_palsy.html

Just taking lecithin, may improve the pain. I imagine you are using your castor oil, mag, DMSO. All your other magic stuff. Probably all the correct things to fix pain and all you need is the correct nutrient.

Nerve path virus, BP that one, ugh. Shingles seem to be the same type, right along the nerve path. You get blisters to see it. Not true with these other viruses.

Then maybe incorporate the lysine remedy.

Janet

Replied by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 12/23/2018

I am almost certain I have the neck nerve thing that you had. If I lay flat, I don't sleep well, but the nerves in my arm are not inflamed. If I sleep in a lounge, then I sleep well, but my arm pain comes back. I also think that all this was caused my my chiropractor as he uses an aggressive air gun to move joints and bones. Nerves don't like that.

I did not want to start a pity party as my whole life and been about as interesting as I can stand. As all know, I'm a hard charger and this has caused me lots of grief. I got fired twice in the paper industry...... not from being incompetent, but being too competent and not taking crap from my boss'.

I retired after straightening out one of the largest paper mills in the world and when that was done, then I had no say. Hell, any snot nose kid can run a mill if it is running right. But when it was in the ditch, my word was law. A firing is like a divorce...... you have been rejected. Rejection is a downer. It stress' you out no matter how tough mentally you are.

That is the reason I admire Trump so much. Not one of us could take the crap he gets. He is a reincarnated Patton, if you have read his book. He won WWII in Europe, yet was put to pasture for slapping a coward with his glove. AYSM

Deirdre, I can promise you this ....with my personality there is half on EC that love me, and half that hate me. That's just the way we are. Weak folks can't stand strong folks yet, strong folks love other strong folk. Why is that?

I'll figure all that out in my next life. In the meantime, I think it's best I just try to chill.

Thank your for your prayers. They work and I have ATS about that too.

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Replied by Baldev (Mumbai, Maharashtra, India) on 12/25/2018

I am the one who loves you, and I assure you that most of the people here are in the category of loving you. I have always been reading your posts with interest and appreciate your personality of being straight forward. I am sure you will be a winner this time too. Good luck Baldev