Question by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 04/19/2010
The first remedy is the easiest and responds rather quickly: A solution of magnesium chloride, 70% with 30% water, is applied to the area for about 30 minutes. If it reduces the redness and some swelling then this remedy is workable and can be used for the next couple of days, if a severe one you can use it for a month. The formula needs to modify, and will improve if just get more clients like this.
The second remedy deactivates the protein: the formula is 1/2 teaspoon of tannic acid in 1/4 cup of warm water plus 20 drops of DMSO. Apply to the effected area. Whatever the protein (or autoimmunity) it will deactivate them in a matter of minutes. Still the complete application needs to be applied for at least a week until it's gone. It's not a perfect remedy, but it does work and it needs some improvement. This is the two best remedy I can think of and it can be used together also. I think it is viral since it responds to magnesium. Of course there may be many types of this disease and the cause can be other things too.
It should be noted that I have just one client and the redness and swelling, especially redness disappeared in less then five minutes. It spread throughout the body and bleeds pus with particular area such as scrotum, and folding part of the arm and thighs. Frequency of application is critical. Try about doing it 10 times in first 5-10 minutes.
Do it until it has reduced, and repeat as necessary.
Note: this peculiar condition doesn't respond to antibiotics and steroids. As a result, I suspect it is viral in nature. This is why I used the antiviral magnesium chloride, and tannic acid as a second choice. I wasn't lucky enough to test the lysine as the client was already showing improvement in the condition in a matter of 30 minutes. Lysine would have been my third choice.
The client basically got HS while swimming in khlongs here in Thailand. The infection spread throughout his body quickly but it is concentrated where there is the most sweat, as in pubic areas, behind his knees, in his front part of the elbow, and arm pits. Magnesium idea came from the idea I had when I had a severe conjunctivitis or "red eye" as it is called in Thailand where infections also come from khlongs in Thailand (water canal) also. I suspect they are similar. The idea for magnesium chloride to treat red eye is a simple one: magnesium chloride are antiviral in nature, but you need a fairly concentrated solution on skin application, but possibly a 5%-10% solution in eye application.
General improvement throughout the body was improved in 30 minutes, and local areas after application took the redness out in about 5 minutes. The reason why throughout the body was longer was that he didn't apply them at the same time, particular his back and neck area. I think we can use 5 minute benchmark for local area when gauging its effectiveness. The cause for this condition might be other things and may require different remedy. Hydrogen peroxide 3% solution applied to skin area also worked, but to a limited extent, not as dramatic as the magnesium chloride, however, but it did reduce some itching and some pus actually came out also. We can use towel as abrasive agent, and I also MADE the magnesium chloride solution stronger, BY ADDING ABOUT 10-20 DROPS OF DMSO, in a 10 cc magnesium chloride solution to increase its penetrative properties. Too much DMSO may sting the skin and always clean affected area before application of magnesium chloride and DMSO. If magnesium chloride is applied alone, then cleaning the effected area maybe less critical, but cleaning is still done by using plain water, or a tannic solution as a cleaning agent before application of DMSO and magnesium chloride is how I would approach this.
Replied by Linda (Anon, USA) on 06/01/2010
Thank you for your information on hidradenitis suppurativa at the Eath Clinic web site. I am going to start with the magnesium chloride bath salts. I have had hidradenitis suppurativa for five years, and am a 60 year old female. Am worried about applying the magnesium chloride directly to the skin since the "wounds" are so open and in my groin area.
Replied by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 06/01/2010
A weaker solution of magnesium chloride may cause less pain, such as a 5% magnesium chloride solution. Actually it can be as high as 10% and has minimum sting. The most painless of all remedy is a tannic acid solution which will denature any bacteria, viruses and other unknown organism on contact. To give some penetrating powers to reach the bacteria, a DMSO solution is added. For example, if I were to prepare a 100 cc of water, I will need roughly 1 teaspoon of tannic acid plus 1/2 teaspoon of DMSO. The local application with perhaps a cotton bud, or application directly to the area should dry up the wounds painlessly. Magnesium chloride is a bit more painful, but once the wounds dry up, the the magnesium chloride may be applied with minimum pain. As you know,tannic acid denatures proteins and converts them into leather, so when you apply to flesh wounds it basically cause the active organism to be dead on contact, by denaturing. So this is about the best broad spectrum contact antibiotic and antiviral there is, a simple tannic acid solution.
Replied by Linda (Shasta, Ca, United States) on 06/03/2010
Glad you are doing well in Thailand. I have been using black tea bags as a compress on my skin for two days now. This is for the tannic acid, until I can find the tannic acid powder. Do I purchase it from a compounding pharamcy, or do you know of another source When I find the tannic acid powder, I will use 1/2 teaspon in 1/4 cup warm water and then use that as a compress for 30 minutes.
I also want to try the magnesium chloride, and am I correct that I can buy that from an aquarium supply store I am thinking this is safe to add to bath water and soak because fish swim in it! Do I have that correct
Thanking you again,
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Now skin grafts no that's not what they did. The doc cut a diamond shaped patch of skin out of my arm pit and just sewd it up. It looks like a hak job. But it's probably one of the worst places to have surgery. That was the only location I had the surgery, healing took about a good 2 months and with all kinds of puss oozing. It did get infected also. The scares are the worst. I never lift my arms it looks horrific, if you want pics I'll be more than happy to send them. Basically the topical antibacterial pink stuff seems to be the best. They go away really quick after it opens up and I put the cotton ball with the pink stuff on there. Recently they started forming different. Now when they pop the meat from inside my body seems to want to come out and it will look like a bloody red nipple because its a piece of tissue. Its weird. Not like before. Ohhh and the first one I ever noticed was like size of a softball in my armpit socket. And the VA doc didn't know what it was. So they poked it and took a sample with a big needle. Well I kinda wish I never did that. Because I think that's what started this whole mess. Kinda like cancer. When u poke at it and start cutting it away it seems to spread. Well that's what I belive happened.. Im just scared im going to pass it on to my off spring, so im very careful how I wash our clothes and contact. Oh to my knowledge, it's the sweat glands that get clogged and the doc said he took some of the glands out that had ruptured. Dont know how true it is. Oh Ive heard of radiation on the outside of the skin my sister was telling me but I guess it leaves u with black skin. Ive considered the professional wart freezing stuff, maybe that will freeze them and the liquid on the inside and kill it. Im willing to go thru that pain but will it be safe for me and practice for the doc.. I havnt asked my dermatologist to do it I think he'll laugh at me.
So thats about it.. I like this web site thanks for everyone who made this possible. We need one with pictures of ppl on it because im sure there's people out there that are living a lonely life because of this and maybe if they could associate with others that have the disease then it would make like allot happier. Thanks all and ill keep in touch as I look for a cure for us!!
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1. Turmeric: 1/2 tsp morning and nite in warm water. It tastes gross but it provides relief almost immediately.
2. Rose water: It has anti-bacterial properties n is cooling to the skin. I use this to clean the infected area/wounds abt twice a day. It has a nice smell to it too and I've noticed that it has helped to lighten the scarred skin somewhat.
3. Dettol: Its a antiseptic liquid disinfectant (kinda similar to Betadine) and I use abt 1-2 capfuls in a big bucket of warm water and take shower with this stuff every morning. It leaves a faint smell afterwards but its not bad and keeps infections at bay!
4. Apple Cider Vinegar (4 tbsp) Baking Soda (1/2 tbsp) 1/2 sliced lime in a large bottle (or 8 glasses of water): just drink this water thru-out the day. It keeps the body alkalized n minimizes the severity of outbreaks. Just keep the area as dry as possible and air it out as much as possible. I hope at least one of these things work for you! I'll be praying for u. Stay strong! =)
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"10/03/2010: Andrea from Lahaina, Hi replies: "I have had HS for almost 20 years. I have outbreaks under my armpits, breasts and between my thighs. I started taking AZO Yeast Supplements about two years ago because I started getting Thrush on my tongue. I thought it was due to Wellbutrin, which I was taking at the time. Miracles beyond miracles my HS started to clear up. I was taking one pill a day for the thrush and now I take two pills daily without fail. If I forget a day I immediately get a breakout, then I take 4 pills, then almost overnight I start to heal. I just ordered 10 boxes of Azo Yeast pills on Vitacost.com. They are inexpensive and I will take them the rest of my life. I am convinced that HS is related to an overproduction of yeast."
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Right now, I have two cysts (groin and inner leg in crease) that seem to be connected and WILL NOT GO AWAY! I've had them for about 4 months and they will bust open (I've stopped poking myself with needles), drain, start to feel better, but then they'll fill right back up and the whole thing starts over again. I have been beside myself on what to do about it and would sit in a bucket of acid and endure the pain if I knew it would make them go away... But finding this site gives me so much hope as now I,
A: know what I have and know I'm not the only one who suffers with it.
B: Found so many things I can try to get rid of them, all better than a bucket of acid, I might add.
And C: Just feel less like a freak. I was wondering, though, if HS is hereditary because I recently found out both my dad and my 10 year old niece suffer from it. Also my niece takes "bleach baths" for 10 minutes every other day and that keeps her outbreak-free. Has anyone else had any luck with that I'm definetely going to try the tea tree oil, tumeric, burdock root, colloidal silver, apple cider vinegar, and antibacterial liquid soap (like Dial). Is there any danger in mixing certain things or trying too many things together Any help would be appreciated. AGAIN, THANX TO EVERYONE WHO POSTED AND SORRY MINE RAN ON SO LONG!
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I'm so happy to have found this site. It gives me hope, faith, and confidence that I will be able to find something that works for me. This site makes me feel accepted. I'm not the only person going through this tragedy on a daily bases. You all are my inspiration. Thank you all so much, you dnt know how much your stories means to me.
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I have struggled with HS for about 10 years now and like many people I didn't tell anyone for quite awhile. Finally I went to the doctor and was dx with HS. He gave me an antibiotic and topical gel to use during flare-ups (I'd say I have a mild case, no tracts or oozing lesions).
The antibiotics and gel work ok but I'm left with a scar and its painful during the healing process so I've been experimenting with ways to avoid getting them all together. By no means an I 100% cured but I will say that a change in my diet made a HUGE difference. I don't know if eatting healthier lessened the flare-ups or if eatting healthier caused me to lose weight which helped with the flare-ups but either way I only have one or two a year and I can almost always look back and say "ok I had a flare-up but I've been eating a lot of processed crap lately". I do not eat super healthy or organic foods, I just stay away from fast food and processed/refined carb type foods as much as possible. I may take a month or two for all that built-up stuff to get out of your body but I'd highly reccommend this change to anyone suffering from this disease!
If you are wondering some of the biggest changes I've made are I drink mostly water and only minimal amounts of soda and I buy a lot more fresh fruits and veggies rather than canned, frozen, or boxed foods. I didn't make any drastic changes but I try to limit the amount of preservatives or highly refinded carbs I eat.
Has anyone had any success with changing their diet
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Anyways I wanted to say thank you for sharing your tips and stories it has made me realize I'm not the only one! I used to say to my mom that it was just "my luck" that I had some mystery disease that no one had answers too so thank you everyone! You've really helped me and made me feel better and finally be able to open up about this condition we share(:
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For hs prevention, I've found that the following has helped tremendously:
1.) Daily meditation - Even if it's for a few minutes, take the time. Not sure how to do it or where to start Simply focus on your breath, the "in" and "out".
2.) Plenty of exercise - Helps relieve stress which I believe plays a major hand in hs outbreaks.
3.) Keep refined sugars (breads, in particular), processed foods, caffeine, and dairy products (especially cheese) to an absolute minimum in your daily diet - Avoiding them altogether would probably be best, but even making small changes can help. The less you consume, the less acidic your body will be, which I believe in turn, will help keep the hs at bay.
4.) Drink plenty of water with lemon - As a lot of people have mentioned, this helps to alkalize the body. Again, the less acidic your body is, the better. You could also do ACV (a "shot" in the morning" and a "shot" at night) in addition/instead of adding lemon to your water. Just don't stop drinking water! :)
5.) Fish Oil - From my doctor: "Fish oils contain omega-3 fatty acids that may help to improve inflammatory conditions (and improve cholesterol! ). Nordic Naturals and Carlson are two good brands (higher omega-3 content and low mercury). You want to get 2000-25000 mg of DHA EPA daily as capsules or liquid (this is crucial, so be sure to read labels. For example, I take 4 capsules of Carlson Super Omega-3 Gems Fish Oil [concentrate] because there is 500mg of EPA & DHA per capsule). Store fish oil capsules in the freezer and take with food to avoid "fishy burps" and upset stomach."
6.) Probiotics - Again, from my doctor: "Probiotics can be helpful in diarrhea, allergies, asthma, and other inflammatory conditions. Look for Lactobacillus and/or Saccharomyces boulardii strains. Jarrow and Culturelle are two good brands. Adults can start with 10 billion colony-forming units daily with an ultimate goal of 20 billion cfu daily."
7.) Love yourself.
Best to you, Jasmine, and to everyone else suffering from this terrible, severely under-researched disease.
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For me, MolyB has almost completely reversed a dangerous wasting syndrome due to an inability to detoxify toxic aldehydes produces from a fungal infection.
Replied by Lele (Oakland, Ca, USA) on 08/16/2012
However I'm now suffering with outbreaks again under my breast and under my belly, I've been using cornstarch to keep dry and I buy tons of band aids as well. I'm going to try the tea tree oil and the _____ yeast supplements I already use dial anti-bacterial soap.
I've been feeling really depressed about the scars on my breast and my stomach lately. I'm happy to have stumbled upon this website, sometimes I feel like giving up but to hear I'm not alone does a lot for my spirit. Again thank you all so much.
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I had my first groin boil in 1983, then again one in 2003, and again one in 2007. Never really knew what it was, thought it was a pressure sore or something resulting from horse riding, never saw a doctor for it, simply put some dettol and a bandaid on it and took a disprin for the feverish feeling that accompanied it. Then, in 2012, I had a horrendous 10 months outbreak. In my armpits, on my buttocks and thighs, in my groin, many at a time. At one point I had 7 weeping sores on my labia majora. In addition to four in my armpits. I called my rheumatologist in tears. (Following a particularly stressful time around the 2008 recession, I became gravely ill and was diagnosed with lupus in late 2009, still take prednisone and plaquenil to keep arthritis and auto immune hepatitis in check. Now fully able and functioning again.) The receptionist did not even put me through to the dr but advised me high handedly to go see a gynie.
The boils were sore, weeping, smelly, and the developing ones excruciatingly painful. I felt embarrased, dirty, unworthy, an outcast, marked as evil and filthy, punished by the Plague of Boils, alone in the world. When the outbreak started I received IV antibiotics for two on my legs (I was tested positive for MRS) but the antobiotics almost killed me, almost had liver failure. Following the call to the rheumatologist, I realised I was on my own. Doctors just seemed to not to want to hear about it, maybe it is more hands-on and dirty and in-your-face than people in "polite society" can stomach I felt so terribly, desperately alone. Not the kind of complaint you can share with family and friends.
Thank you for the website! I started taking ACV and home made turmeric pills, and also saw a chinese doctor who treated me with chinese herbs (taste like cow*** in water) and tai chi massage & acupucture. He also treated me for the liver problem that followed the antibiotics - with huge success. (Continuing treatments with him for my lupus has enabled me to cut my prednisone medication to 2.5mg. Very professional, very holistic - he gave me a lot of tender and compassionate counselling about diet, regular habits, self care, self love. ) All these helped, but what in my opinion made the conclusive difference was washing out & soaking the developing and weeping boils with pure ACV six times a day, then covering them with cotton wool soaked in ACV and a band aid. It hurt like hell on the open ones, but it cured them much faster, and many of the developing ones simply went away, leaving a black mark under the skin that fades with time. I now wipe down my boil prone areas - armpits, private parts and groin, buttocks and thighs, every 2 days with ACV before going to bed. Also, I eat 2 apples a day and make sure to drink lots of water, as I think that daily and spontaneous bowel movement also helps eliminate toxins from the body. (The stuff coming our of the boils certainly looked and smelled more toxic than nuclear waste...! )My field is physics & engineering, so I don't understand the magic of why this worked, but for me it did. I do get small little pimple like things on my buttocks still, but they are painless, and go away without any drama. I eat as organically and unrefined as I can and use no alcohol or tobacco, avoid medication as much as possible, try to keep my body pH in a healthy alkaline range. I want to say to all the people out there who suffer from this problem, I know how you feel, my heart goes out to you, don't lose hope & faith, I pray for your recovery.
You are NOT despicable or unworthy or any of those nasty words, you did not bring it upon your own head, you simply developed a serious health problem, give yourself the best care possible, do not blame or punish yourself for it, love yourself, I love you, and I'm sending you hugs and good vibrations. Cheers, mates!
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