Starswalker (Los Angeles) on 08/16/2013
Replied by Prioris from Fl, Usa on 08/17/2013
Nobody has done a post in removing the FEAR out of taking borax. This is what is creating so many questions on borax. This also needs to be put in the Question and Answer posts on borax.Replied by Timh from Ky, Usa on 08/21/2013
I second Prioris but also recommend caution as some people experience side effects most likely from detox and herx reaction in which case "start low and go slow".Personally I have been using Borax recently in a hot bath for the treatment of fungal infection with modest results. I also add a generous amount of other major and trace minerals to the bath for general health reasons. 1/4 -1/2 cup Borax and no bad side effects to report.
Replied by Timh from Ky, Usa on 08/21/2013
@Starswalker: The symptoms you report are classic detox and die-off reactions. The Borax is removing the Fluorides and other heavy metals as well as killing pathogens. All this stuff courses through the circulatory system (which puts stress on the heart). To support the heart supplement Magnesium, CoQ10, and Carnitine. To help the liver detox the bad stuff being mobilized by the Borax, supplement 1grm NAC before a meal and take 3mg Melatonin before retiring. These two nutrients will dramatically increase you antioxidant levels which should reduce the shock your body is experiencing.Replied by Helen In Houston from Houston, Texas Usa on 02/08/2014
I tried boron for a minor arthritis in some fingers. The first evening there was a tiny bit of stinging at the tip of one finger. The next evening the tips of several fingers on one hand stung. The third evening the tips of all fingers on one hand were stinging enough to keep me awake. It's a couple months ago I don't remember if the tips of the other hand were starting to sting or not, I think so but am not sure.Nowhere near a joint of fingernail - the fleshy fingertips were stinging badly. I was really scared. Stopped the boron, then the stinging died away over about 4 days.
20 Mule team Borax, ingredients sodium tetraborate, 1/8t tsp (or somewhat less) in a quart of water over the day.
I searched for what stinging fingertips could be a symptom of but found nothing, no web site suggesting boron for arthritis suggests any such side effect, so I'm curious if anyone has any idea what might have been going on. I was using 2 tsp ACV + baking soda in a liter of water over the course of the day at the same time. ACV has never caused side effects for me.
The boron had no effect on the arthritis as far as I can tell but I used it only those few days.
Replied by Timh from Ky, Usa on 02/09/2014
Helen: It would be nearly impossible to determine specifically what is causing the stinging, but generally it is surely a "detox reaction". We know that Borax has a neutralizing effect on several heavy metals and chemicals like fluoride. I would suggest backing up and doing any number of detox remedies found here on E.C, while continuing a small dose of Borax. A very good multivitamin/mineral supplement which contains whole foods, enzymes etc (the longer the profile the better) is the first step in detox. Cruciferous vegetable and their extracts like I3C, DIM, will greatly enhance your defenses while helping detox the body.Replied by Prioris from Fl on 02/09/2014
Boron itself generally will not kill the arthritis infection. It needs borax to kill the infection. Data seems to indicate that boron can be preventative once the infection is gone.You didn't specify how long you took the borax for. Your post seems to indicate only 3 days or maybe 3 months. At proper dose, the cure usually takes 3 weeks. Around what age are you and what other things are you taking.
This kind of gets neglected in borax posts but without enough magnesium in the body, it may cause the borax protocol to not work. Ted has even said that. Also borax does chelate some minerals out of the body also. So take some magnesium (magnesium glycinate is good choice) with it if you aren't taking any.
Given RA effects fingers, that would be a preferable place to have side effect because it would indicate to me that some type of herxheimer reaction is occurring and borax is attempting to fight infection.Maybe your lacking another nutrient or maybe some toxin is blocking it. Ut takes self detective work.
I think Timh posts had good ideas about detoxing body. It is good you reported the side effect here for other people. You really need to stay with it and try to figure it out by continue to experiment. Don't give up.
Replied by Ronald from Lima, Peru on 03/12/2014
Does borax remove bromine from the body?Replied by Marilyn from Qld on 06/26/2014
Hi, I have been reading these posts with interest as I have just started taking borax for my arthritis. I have gone off my anti inflammatory tabs and it is now 14 days into the borax. I am not noticing any difference with my arthritis except I can feel it more and am wondering if my dosage is high enough. I have been following the 1tsp in a litre of water, having 3 tsps of this a day. Any advice would be appreciated.Replied by Marilyn from Qld on 07/13/2014
Following on from my comment. Just wanted to say that have found out I have psoriasis arthritis (even tho never had psoriasis) and have now started to see some results with the borax. A bony growth that had started on a knuckle has almost disappeared and the feeling that I had had in my fingers of the arthritis growing has diminished. Is anyone else out there with psoriasis arthritis in hands trying this with any results? The aches in my knee's which I have had since childhood have also disappeared. I will continue on with the borax.Replied by Bev from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Usa on 08/08/2014
Magnesium oil -- applied externally --helps with pain, arthritic or otherwise. It also does other good things.Replied by Mycoplasma from Geneva, Switzerland on 10/04/2014
People who take Borax:|
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or other treatments like ClO2, Mefloquine, Neemleaf extract, and all other chemical substances that have affect on Mycoplasma will cause huge eruptions into the blood stream. As a consequence, people will get severe diarrhea. Dosing should be started with low amounts, especially on heavily affected people, who may otherwise end up in hospital in the lucky case.
One problem that occurs on this site is the fact, that dosages are improperly discussed. Fractions of teaspoons are improper ways to measure. I tested this and just on Borax 1/8th of a teaspoon can vary between 300 mg to 800 mg. I really would suggest to get a proper balance that can handle milligrams and start talking about dosages in body dosages in milligrams (but please put in your weight in kg as well) and the time intervals it is taken, so that a daily dose would come clear as well.
If the webmaster would support it, we could start taking information on a scientific level instead of staying in the semi-knowledge.
I am studying this mycoplasma since over two years and could benefit from better statistics, if the forum would be willing to support proper statistic data on their experience. I am quite startled how wide spread the problem is affecting nearly everyone.
Replied by Earthdrinker from Berkeley, Ca on 10/16/2014
Mycoplasma are being widely distributed in chemtrails, aka geoengineering, sprayed on most population centers in the US and Europe (less so in the Southern Hemisphere). for a sense of scope, watch the documentary "what in the world are they spraying." borax is well known for treating mycoplasma.Replied by Grant from Sydney, AU on 11/08/2014
Mycoplasma, have you found the best treatment for it? What you think of Teds treatment?Replied by Wanda from Missouri, US on 12/06/2014
My question concerning the measurement is this..when saying 1/8 or 1/4 tsp..are they referring to measuring tsps or regular tsp? I am using a measuring tsp..that specifically says 1/8 tsp. I could see a discrepancy of the amount of ml if a regular tsp is being used.Replied by Dee from San Antonio, Texas on 12/14/2014
They mean measuring spoons, like for following regular recipes. (At least I hope so, since that is how I measure! )Replied by Edson Araujo De Freitas from Brasil on 03/05/2015
A dosagem que eu uso minha esposa minha filha usa 6 gramas de borax em cem ml de agua, 12 gotas 2 x ao dia, esta certo?Replied by Brian from Gold Coast on 05/25/2015
To the forum, of the forum, Advice please?Have been on borax now for around 1 month. Started with the anti fungal dosing protocol, massive eruptions of very hot painful diarrhea and when that stopped moved up to a quarter tspn 3 times a day. Excellent results first 2 - 3 weeks, massive weight loss and tons of energy. About 2 weeks ago began to feel washed out and ill, so stopped for 2 days and started again on 1/4 tspn 2 a day. Fine for a few days then depression hit. Lot of muccus out of nose and chest and chest very painful. Headaches, very sore eyeballs and weeping tears. Could be a bad cold but dont think so. Have not been able to work, feel too sick. Couldn't find anything within the forum like me other than mycoplasma infection posted by Replied by Mycoplasma
Geneva, Switzerland
10/04/2014.
Am I taking too much? Is it a healing sickness? Any imput welcome. b
Replied by Timh from Ky on 05/26/2015
B: Like many illnesses, there usually is no simple one shot solution. Borax has obviously helped your condition but other therapies are needed. Always try and identify EXACTLY the problem and apply an exact treatment protocol.In your situation, you would prosper by doing any number of detox and cleanses listed in the Remedies section at top page. There are a good number of effective remedies that if used properly will get you back to health, but you must take time and dedicate yourself to getting well again.
Come back here and post questions and results.
Replied by Bill from San Fernando, Philippines on 05/26/2015
Hi Brian...1/4 tspn borax with water 2 or 3 times a day is way too high a dose and not what is recommended on this site.Ted's Borax remedy is 1/4 tspn in a liter of water per day. Drink this liter of water slowly throughout the whole day. Do not drink it all down in one go.
Some more information for you on borax on my google doc here and on Earth Clinic here.
Replied by Dawna from Colorado on 08/03/2015
For those of you living in Europe and have joint pain - I have a suggestion.... Novartis sells Voltaflex, it's a pure glucosamine, it works. My husband's knees were so bad he needed surgery, one week on voltaflex and he is fine, I also had bad knees, not like his, but I started taking it.... We've been taking it for 7 years now. We've told many people about it and it has worked for all of them.I've tried several glucosamine brands in the USA without any relief at all. I buy Voltaflex at the Zurich train station pharmacy, it's over the counter, costs about 12. dollars per month.
Replied by Russell from Sydney Australia on 08/09/2015
I about to start taking borax, and, I noticed that everyone is talking about mixing it in water. I'm wondering if it works in anything other than water? I drink 3 or 4 cups of tea a day and was wondering if mixing it into my tea would still be effective? Thanks.Replied by Baldev from Maharashtra on 08/09/2015
Hi Ressell,What is important is that you should not take it empty stomach, yet how you take it whether with water, juice or tea, in my opinion makes no difference. My advice would be to avoid sugar in the tea. Good Luck
Baldev
Replied by Goldenbee from Boulder, Co on 10/09/2015
@ Mycoplasma (who posted on 10/04/14): This mycoplasm study is very important. I would like to learn more, as I am studying and recovering from Lyme, with co-infections. Please let me know what kind of support you need. Thanks!Replied by Doug from 4870 on 11/16/2015
G'day Russel from Oz,I have been using Turkish Borax in my diet and home for a couple of years with arthritis and osteoarthritis and am very pleased with the results, severe pain has subsided to occasional negligible and generally bearable.
Your question regarded mixing it with water ... I began with a 1/4 teaspoon orally, twice a day washed down with lemon water and as I began to go through the healing process, I gradually weaned myself to, currently, using it as you would use salt.
That is to say, anything that I cook with salt, I add as much Borax as salt. When I bake my bread, I add as much Borax as salt. I brush my teeth with virgin coconut oil, Borax and hydrogen peroxide.
I live in the northern tropical zone of Oz and to keep the ants, cockroaches etcetera at bay I use honey, Borax and some warm water to blend them .
Russell, you are only limited by your own imagination, do your research and be thorough.
Replied by Steve from Guatemala on 11/19/2015
You needed to drink more water to flush. It would have also been a good idea to walk a few miles to stimulate the circulation, thereby mobilizing the detoxification systems. The stinging was the boron reacting with the precipitates at the fingertip regions. Absent adequate water to flush and exercise to circulate, you have a small smoldering fire going on at the end of each fingertip.Replied by Sandra from Pikeville, Tn on 01/29/2016
Do you use mule team borax or do you buy it at the drug store?Replied by Velma from Oklahoma on 01/29/2016
I think most people use the mule team borax.Replied by Pip from Australia, Victoria on 02/19/2016
Hi all, Borax rocks....of the laundry shelf, in the supermarket. I sprinkle it on like table salt, on my breakfast, and a little sugar ( its breakfast you know )...its through you by seven hours, but for me once a day is enough. Its fantastic, it like lubricates my joints, eliminates pain, and sparks me up.Me - 61yrs, Rhm/A, Ost/A, require a knee opp, but planning not to for go it, so little pain, am thinking I may reduce all the medications, soon, been taking it over a year and a half, into my second jar of Borax.
Some of you are a little pedantic on consumption. Over use will cause nausea and diarrhea, just like to much table salt. So try and see what works for you. The rest of my diet stayed the same. No harm in trying this ...Borax.
Better health to you all. Pip
Replied by Daniel from California, Usa on 05/13/2016
BRIAN; I read your comments and clearly your symptoms are detox pains-- as you continue taking borax the borax is flushing out the toxins and your symptoms are detox pains. Just stop using the borax for a few days let your body flush out the toxins and when the detox pain subsides then resume the borax--and---just cut your borax consumption in half. Just let the borax do its healing slowly and let your body flush out the toxins....do it slowly so you have less detox pain just give yourself plenty of time--- set a 6 month plan in motion and be sure to just cut the dosage in half --if the detox pain returns--- that's just the toxin flush out---and it will get easier as most toxins get flushed out.Replied by Nicole from Usa on 07/25/2016
Vitamin E can help reduce the stress on the heart.Replied by Brien from Sydney on 09/06/2016
I am reading with great interest the caution of OD on Boron from Big Pharma. I am well acquainted Natures Sunshine herbs in capsules, which in 1982 I fed to my 3 little kids from the 250 different applications in Herbally Yours. They are now 38; 40 and 42, and never saw a doctor or dentist growing up. My partner now was coughing so bad getting rid of mucous I suggested we get Comfrey root powder that is Illegal to take, and which we got from a herb company that supplies horses. Gabrielle like me is 79, and we mixed a heaped teaspoon in an inch of cold water with a barmix and topped it up with warm water.....she did this 5 to 7 times daily. We have a 12 year relationship during which she has coughed on and off, but I was seriously concerned for the possibility of her injuring her lungs with what developed. That was 6 months ago. With the results I went to "Truth about Comfrey" on Google and read about Dr Christopher's research that goes back to Heroditus 500 BC and Gaylen 250 BC all the way through to Queen Victoria. Comfrey Root internally has healed all conditions of the lungs and other organs including bleeding internally. We are now having it on and off with our daily Bone Broth, and have both started skipping to build up to 7 minutes daily. The sad Old World of 'yesteryear' is now more and more being shown in Governments and Religions as Full of Lies, with the only hope for all of us in the Bible which fully condemns both, with the simple way out spelt out by God's Son in the Lord's Prayer....."Let YOUR Kingdom come and YOUR will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" as in Revelation 21:1-4 and Ephesians 1:9,10 etc.Replied by Michaelm from Colorado on 12/08/2016
Borax dosages:I am just getting started with borax and I am working on coming up with the best dosage for myself. I have noticed there seems to be two different dosage recommendations that people are working with:
Ted's recommendation:
1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in a certain amount of water, usually one liter, and drink that entire amount of water in divided doses or sipped throughout the day.
In this scenario, you have ingested between 1/8 and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
So far it appears to me from looking at other people's posts, and not doing my own calculations from my own measurements, that 1/8 of a teaspoon of Borax has approximately 75 mg of boron and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax has approximately 150 mg of boron.
Or
1tsp/L borax water:
1 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in 1 L of water and then take 1 teaspoon of Borax water or more each day.
1 teaspoon of Borax powder contains approximately 600 mg of boron. Since there are 203 teaspoons in 1 L, this would mean that 1 teaspoon of this borax Water would contain 1/203 teaspoon of Borax powder and approximately 3 mg of boron.
In comparison, taking 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder per day is a:
25 times larger dose than taking 1 teaspoon of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,
12.5 times larger dose than taking 2 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,
6.25 times larger dose than taking 3 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water.
The above three numbers would be doubled if the comparison is with 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
I just recently learned that one medical doctor out there that is a big fan of iodine, also recommends patients with osteoporosis to take 150 mg of boron per day for a year before they taper off to a lower maintenance dose. Which of course would be equivalent to taking 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
Replied by Art from California on 12/09/2016
When I put a 1/4 teaspoon (level flat) of borax on a digital scale it measures out at a gram on average and I suspect the variation is due to moisture content and a variation in the size of the particles. Borax is stated to contain 11.3% boron so 1 gram or 1/4 teaspoon of borax should contain about 113 mg of boron and an 1/8th teaspoon about 56 mg of boron.One thing to keep in mind about borax is that not everyone can tolerate it and it is not effective for everyone as far as arthritis is concerned, but for those who can tolerate it, it can have many health benefits beyond arthritis. For this reason, it may be safer to start at lower dosing and work your way up in order to try to avoid any potential adverse events while trying to obtain the potential health benefits of borax.
Art
Replied by Andi Hofman from Gernany on 10/22/2025
I regularly take borax 0.6g.As borax organises in strange ways a bit like a polymer, it is able to temporarily grab onto all kinds of toxins depending where they stand in periodic system. Honest science would measure that as a matrix for the whole periodic table and do in vivo measurements, too, trying to determine the complexes actually getting excreted by urine or bile.
And since we live in an intoxicated world, taking more of what we need is one option, so (essential) eg minerals Mg K (Ca, cheese), also Zn Fe B Se Cu Mn Mo Co S SiO2 (natural nano, not produced under size-controlling industrial excipients where it is suddenly cancerous immune disruptive..) as trace minerals — as pure or pureified (from toxins mentioned) as it gets.
I also read that borax can lower efficacy of availability or even the direct levels of iodine, though all AI answers deny that vigorously. I once had a source telling why and how and lost it.
Perhaps read Boron - a potential goiterogen?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28673593/
Yet it just means we ALSO have to take some iodine in adequate dosing, and this may be (in intoxicated times:) quite some more than WHO allots us in their (corrupted dis-) grace.
So I want to take as a male
0.6g borax and
1 drop 4% Lugol‘s
Why Lugol‘s? I was told many tissues also need elemental Iodine I2. Some only ionic form, some both.
Dosing of that in wiki is reported quite distorted. But it is easy: As 5% Lugol‘s contains 5% g/g I2 elemental iodine PLUS 10% g/g KI, potassium iodide, having 127g/mol/166g/mol iodine, so 76.5% I per KI, in classic Lugol‘s preparation instruction by WEIGHT proportion g/g the total iodine content (elemental plus ionic) is :
12.6% g/g, and as density is
1.12g/ml this equals to the concentration in mass/volume definition of
14.1% g/ml.
This leads us to a hefty
7.1mg total iodine per DROP of 5% Lugol‘s (if it really has 0.05ml :). Inmeasured 50 drops with a fine scale, and it adds up.
(Newer recipes just do 5% g/ml I2 and 10% g/ml KI, without telling they deviate from Mr. Lugol‘s preparation instruction to add 5g I2 + 5g KI + 85g water, but you catch them by measuring density so eg a 20ml syringe on a fine scale tara before filling and just filling till 20ml without letting aur out that stems from nizzle and syringe, using a scale with 1/100 g resolution will yield enough precision to tell „the mini fraud“.:)
As a bottom line I want to repeat the question:
what available and cheap sources of trace minerals do we have that do not include all the stuff we are intoxicated with like Flouride (not preventing caries, to some papers this is done by good mineral status and some hygiene and good biome in mouth, meaning good „source“ biome in LI), but found F is dysbiotic and pro-ibflammatiry, enhancing paradentosis: ask people what the main cause of loss of a tooth is nowadays??? And F just like spike and glyphosate subtly paralyses the limbic system, brings down energy, will, empathy intuition, self healing, hormone regulation, and so on. WHO could want this… :)
Mercury AND Lead : potentiate their toxicity. WHICH static upper value in drinking water and food represents that (it is a rhetoric question:)
Gadolinium (so contrast agent imaging should be accompanied by a chelation therapy the insurance had to pay as not doing that is medical misconduct for the non-neglicble part of vulnerables drifting into MCAS / metabolic states by one shot. Why that happens in some would be interesting and how to prevent that? Would probably prevent severe CoV lyme EBV Aids etc as well and be a good cancer prevention, as all theses states look the same and react to quite the same set of interventions viewed from the perspective of immune regulation “from some distance”.
Bromium
Strontium (in excess)
Nano-Plastic and smaller (oligomers, broken up polymers) we CREATE by disinfecting water with CIO2 (that us drilling holes into plastic matrix, the air force of the two, as it has a gas pressure) and HClO (infantry, widening the channels), puncturing pipes even 1cm wall thickness in 30yrs at 10-15°C (higher : faster!) by corrosion. Producing bad taste of water by oligomers of HDPE and added anti-oxidants (polyphenols).
Btw.: We also produce nanoplastic by brushing teeth with nylon or let alone teflon (electric brushes) and an abrasive, why not using swine bristles as of old? Very durable, I use one with beech wood handle for 6mo now and prevent bacterial decomposition of wood or bristles by spraying in isopropyl alcohol 100% to displace water also and gently drying after use on towel and putting on a LED night light for some warmths to dry.
Also we produce nanoplastic by impregnating cotton against shear torsion called fibre stabiliser, which is a plastic enamel coating every fibre from insides and most often not given off in the label of ingredients. It gets worn to nano dust in washing machine so most lands in sea as it can’t be filtered by current sewage treatment plants and won’t settle in rivera, 30,000t/yr, and concentrates in filter of tumble dryer: don’t inhale dusty air when opening it and cleaning the filter. Wash hands before eating.
So these are the ones I found, add glyphosate and spike both catalytically disrupting hexagonal structure of water, thus depleting the Exclusion Zone EZ every cell, and for red blood cells, as we know, this leads to rolls and heaps producing micro blood clots, that we can not detect by d-Dimer test, only in tissue under microscope OR in eye background imaging: the only capillary we have direct access by optics. If only some capillaries siddenly get clogged there, younhsve to get your blood flowing by drinking structured water, and as emergency measure, CIO2 (aq) 0.3% 1-70ml per day distributed over the day in 1-2L water restores the EZ potential in a few hours throughout the body, alas without restoring the structuring of cellular water (80% in body‘s water should be structured, btw.. Search for COMUSAV if you want to talk to one of 2000 ohysicians that practised thst by infision if 10ml CDS in 500ml salt solution (ringer is not the best if suffering from electrolyte dysbalance anyways, so I said the neutral word „salt“, have find something better and cheap and available then NaCl 0.9%; as ClO2 makes any solution self-sterilising, it may not be that hard toncome up with a solution (of salts closer to normal plasma)). If that structured water % goes down, normally we die. This is why some call this „Energy of Life. I always viewed that with the physicists scepticism - or ignorance, as now Insee at least it is both indicator and therapy option. ))
GO and rGO (MMS2 so Ca(ClO2) some 100-400mg powder with baking soda 1/4tsp to prevent Cl2, on empty stomach) could decompose in vivo to one paper) and Aluminium (detox by silicade water to Denis N. Crouse or Magnesium Maleate) is another (anti-neurodegerative disease) toxins topic. :)
Replied by Andi Hofmann from Germany on 10/22/2025
Sometimes I had no borax dissolved at hand.I have to find out if Borax is alkaline, I suspect a bit, so I will avoid taking it around or on meals.
But I try ti
live to “non-optimal dosing or timing is better than no dosing at all!”
Avoid alkaline 1/2 hr before .. 1-2hr after meals:
As I am already low in stomach acid.
(Like 1/2 of patients of any office in a city were measured if 40yrs+. Yet I get lynched at any pharmacy if I say I need a stomach acid supplement. Of ciurse they have never heard if betaine HCl+ let alone have it available for reasonable price. It would lay dry 1/3 of “health” industry… :)
See eg. PantryPharmacy.com “The mother of all problems”:
https://pantrypharmacy.com/2018/12/18/the-mother-of-all-problems/
Replied by Andi Hofmann from Germany on 10/22/2025
Sometimes I had no borax dissolved at hand.I have to find out if Borax is alkaline, I suspect a bit, so I will avoid taking it around or on meals.
But I try ti
live to “non-optimal dosing or timing is better than no dosing at all!”
Avoid alkaline 1/2 hr before .. 1-2hr after meals:
As I am already low in stomach acid.
(Like 1/2 of patients of any office in a city were measured if 40yrs+. Yet I get lynched at any pharmacy if I say I need a stomach acid supplement. Of ciurse they have never heard if betaine HCl+ let alone have it available for reasonable price. It would lay dry 1/3 of “health” industry… :)
See eg. PantryPharmacy.com “The mother of all problems”:
https://pantrypharmacy.com/2018/12/18/the-mother-of-all-problems/
Replied by Art from California on 10/23/2025
Hi Andi Hofmann,Borax is a higher pH than baking soda. It has a pH of about 9.5.
Art