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Stopping Blood Thinners for AlternativesPosted By Lora (New Orleans LA) on 05/22/2026
Fast forward to 2022. I was attempting IV chelation again but kept getting nauseous and was unable to get in but one treatment a week and sometimes skipped for weeks. My MD Alternate doctor said she was worried about my inability to take at least two treatments per week for at least 20 treatments. (I recently determined it was the B complex added to the EDTA that was making me sick. I stopped taking the supplement and no nausea.)
Saw vascular surgeon and began a great decline in my health. 30 stents and a leg bypass surgery later PLUS a daily poison of 5 mg of Eliquis twice a day, 75 mg of Plavix at night and 10 mg of lisinopril a day. I had a quarter sized ulcer on my big toe joint and inflamed foot. I knew that the bypass might save my foot from amputation and it did.
My first six week check up ultrasound showed complete normal blood flow in my leg and I was elated. My second six week ultrasound showed narrowing of artery in three places and the surgeon wanted to blow out those areas with an arteriogram.
I said NO more surgeries!!!
I was getting weaker and weaker and was hospitalized, given three units of blood and one of iron. My hemoglobin was 5.3. They could not find from where I was bleeding.
Two months I am still weak and know I am still bleeding and know I am being poisoned by the drugs. I felt I was dying. I had to take back control.
First I stopped Lisinopril six weeks ago. My BP remains steady at 120/65. Four days ago I Stopped Eliquis. My stools are getting brown again and I feel better. Only Plavix remains.
Now my issue and why I am posting asking for your help, especially you Art. I am a researcher also and go to the .gov websites to read studies.
Two weeks ago I started Niacin 50 mg, adding 50 mg a week to gradually get to 500 mg. Am at 150 mg a day now.
I had quit Natto and other natural blood thinners due to bleeding. Now I want to get off Plavix and don’t know how. Should I start Natto at 2000 fu and grape seed at 400 mg and stop Plavix?
AI of course tells me to consult my doctor which I refuse to do. They know nothing except what Big Pharma tells them.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated and considered, after further research.
Replied by Otto (CA) on 05/24/2026
Wishing you well in this tiptoing into the Unknown.
Replied by Art (California) on 05/24/2026
Based on the study I wrote about previously in the link below, 2000 FU is not likely to offer any measurable benefit to cholesterol lowering or anti-arteriosclerotic effects.
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/high-dose-nattokinase-for-atherosclerosis.html
In the above study, one group involved in the study were given 3600 FU's and another group was given 10, 800 FU's of nattokinase. Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' The “lower dose” nattokinase group received 3, 600 FU (fibrinolytic units) per day. In the study, that dose was found to be ineffective for improving cholesterol/lipid levels or slowing the progression of atherosclerosis. Researchers reported that the 3, 600 FU/day group did not significantly lower lipids or suppress plaque progression, whereas the much higher 10, 800 FU/day dose did show significant benefits. '
So if you are planning on using nattokinase to reduce atherosclerosis and or cholesterol, 2000 FU's/day is not likely to be effective.
Regarding taking niacin at 500 mg/day, you didn't specify what type of niacin, so I have to assume that it is nicotinic acid. While that dose of nicotinic can offer health benefit, it is essentially a pharmacological dose and it also carriesmultiple health risks with it that you should be aware of, possibly to the liver as discussed here :
At 500 mg/day, nicotinic acid moves beyond a simple vitamin dose and into a pharmacologic range.
Potential concerns include:
Immediate-release vs sustained-release
This matters a lot:
If someone uses 500 mg/day regularly, many clinicians would consider periodic monitoring of:
Those forms behave differently biologically and have different risk profiles.
For many people, 500 mg/day is tolerated, but it is not generally considered a trivial or purely nutritional dose.
You are describing several different health issues, chelation, atherosclerosis and blood thinning/clotting and I am not quite sure which one you want to address, but if it is the atherosclerosis, it will likely require a significantly higher dose of nattokinase than the 2000 FU's you were previously taking. Such a higher dose can potentially reduce fibrin which stabilizes clots. So from my point of view, I would consider nattokinase as more of a helper in dissolving blood clots than a blood thinner.
The higher dosing of niacin may offer some modest anti-clotting effects.
Others that can be useful for fighting atherosclerosis are:
1. Omega 3 with high EPA
2. Aged Garlic Extract
3. Vitamin K2M7
4. Magnesium Glycinate
5. Cocoa Flavanols
Art
Replied by Prioris (ME) on 06/01/2026
Researchers reported that the 3,600 FU/day group did not significantly lower lipids or suppress plaque progression1800 FU in a day is a joke. It was an experiment designed to fail.
2000 IU dose nattokinase is useless for any heart disease. At best, it may be just preventative. It should be taken with serrapeptase.
I use a liposomal brand with 2 capsules per serving that has
12,000 FU nattokinase
360,000 SPU serrapeptase
If heart disease is severe, it should be used 3 servings a day for at least 3 months.
I would use it for 3 months or more as an initial cleanse if you don't know the state of your arteries.
People refer to nattokinase as blood thinners. No. They are clot busters.
I don't use lumbrokinase because the label doesn't spell out FU strength so one is never is sure about brand quality. Dr best is only one I trust. So I stick with nattokinase.
In early 2000s, there were no shortage of research studies that said cholesterol is irrelevant for heart disease. My cholesterol has been around 350 most of my life. I'm 71. I completely ignore cholesterol.
There are studies that say people with low cholesterol die sooner.
Half the people who die of heart attacks and strokes have no symptoms nor truly abnormal readings. I'd focus on a calcium scan if available in your area if anything.
Better to focus on a nattokinase/serrapeptase cleanse and vitamin K2.
