Gums have been really sore lately

Posted By Duane (Johannesburg, Gauteng, Johannesburg) on 07/19/2012

Hi Dentist/doctor, my gums have been really sore lately, including my pallet. When I brush my gums, they bleed all over. I'm also worried that I might have a receding gum by my crown tooth as the gum is growing towards the root, please help me and tell me what I can take for this. duane
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Replied by Louwrence (Rustenburg, North West, South Africa) on 07/20/2012

Hi Duane, There are 2 items that I know of that are effective for your problem & that is urine & sea salt. Urine is better than sea salt. Also cut out starches & sugar & junk food.
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Replied by Ed2010 (Oakville, Canada) on 07/20/2012

There is a tooth powder which is indian made. I don't know whether EC will approve it to publish here.

It is Vicco Vajradanti Powder. After brushing your teeth, just take this powder and apply on your teeth with finger just like brushing 3 or 4 times. This will strengthen you gums and teeth and you can feel it immediately. You can also use this to brush your teeth replacing tooth paste.

This powder is a Herbal Medicine, which has:
salvadora persica (meswak)
Tirphala
Clove
and many other herbs

This powder is very good for bleeding gums, soar gums, sensitive teeth, cavity, dry mouth. At least one should use couple of times in a week to strength the teeth and gums. They have same forumla tooth paste, but it is not very effective as this powder. Trust me this will really help, I am not affiliated with this company but a regular user.

Hope this helps.

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Replied by Dez57 (Beatty, Oregon) on 07/21/2012

Where to start? I am not a writer, a doctor, a scientist or a man of letters. If had to name what I am is maybe an information freak. A drive to understand what ever strikes me a given time. Man like all life on earth has one primary drive, To survive. To make a life for itself, to grow and reproduce its self.

So when I have a problem or a question, I research it. We live in a wonderful age of the computer with a vast ocean of thought and information at our finger tips. One of focus of mine has been health and all its variables. At eighty I consider myself very health, but not totally. I do not have a doctor, never taken prescription drugs. I have come to some conclusions, how ever flawed they may be.

All life forms have specific needs to survive and flourish. Man is no different.

Nutrition. A brief conversation at a check stand bought home to me the truth of the importance of a lot of my research and study. She said she was diabetic and that it was inherited. I responded with, 'bullsxxt" a little shocked, she said 'it was true, six generations, including herself and four sons were diabetic'. Most of my research by natural health specialist said that there are few if any 'inherited' diseases. I believe this to be true. I ask her 'if they all ate basically the same thing'. She froze and her face went blank. I wished that we could have continued our conversation, but it was a busy store and I left. I have reflected back many times to this brief conversation. I grew up country, 'farm' and ate many family meals during harvest time. The same basic meals ' meat, potatoes/gravy, in season vegies, coffee/sugar, real milk and pastry/pie. Morning and afternoon beaks with coffee and pastry. Breakfast, eggs, ham and or bacon, cooked cereal/milk, pastry and coffee/sugar. Lots of exercise. Thats what I grew up with. Most country people were healthy and lived to be 70/80. Arthritis and the many childhood diseases were the main health problems. Cancer was rare. Soda was a town drink, little was drank at work, school or home. Then, there few toxins out side of white sugar, white rice and flour. Few commercial fertilizers or crop sprays were used, some tobacco and alcohol.

The immune system. We are blessed with a very powerful protecter of our body and health. Properly nourished, it will prevent, cure and protect our health naturally. Filter out, neutralize and eliminate most toxins, heavy metals and poisons.

There are many thousands minerals and nutrients and other necessities to create and sustain life. These are the basics which most of us know and understand. What causes ill health is the failure of including them in out diet and to understand how important they are. I believe we are deliberately kept ignorant of there importance and "why". Example: Ascorbic acid, (vitamin C). Outside of man, apes, guinea pigs, some fish. This most important of nutrients, ascorbic acid is produced in the body, Man does not. Almost all plants do to. Few if any seeds have vitamin C, but is produced when sprouting. A 140lb goat produces 5 grams a day when healthy, up to 60 grams a day when injured, bengal tigers up to 200 grams a day. Dr F R Klenner the pioneer of massive doses of ascorbic acid and other nutrients, cured a whole host of ailments, some declared incurable. Dr Klenner said that 'the only mistakes he made with ascorbic acid was not using enough, When asked how much is enough, he replied 'what ever it takes'.

Research his 28 papers on the internet.

There are many necessary vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and supplements that support the immune system. We do not, can not get enough of them from the shelves at the local 'supermarket'. Some of what vitamin C does in our body, Our bodies cell walls are made of cellulose, without which, cell walls are not made or repaired including bone. Neutralizes heavy metals, toxins and poisons and aids in the excretion of same. Nautiluses all virus, then the immune system disposes them. Extremely important for burns and shock. Will and does fight inflammation and pain, the list is almost endless. Do the research. Vitamin C supports and needs the support of all the immune system nutrients. The more vitamins and nutrients available, the more effective all of them are. Health begins with, but does not end with a heathy immune system. Again do the research. A lot of the complaints I see on the internet have todo with our digestive and elimination system. I had some of the same problems, until I stumbled upon a book which had a definitive effect. Vegetables and fruits go through the stomach to the small intestines. Protean take up to six hours to digest in the stomach. When you eat a meal with salad, vegies, meat, potato desert all piled together, it tends ferment or rot as the book said and there in lies the problem. The book suggested fruits in the morning releases energy, later vegies, ending with a later meal of protean. I researched and found the same information. Works for me big time.

I am only a interested researcher. What I say and believe may or may not be all that true or valid. Much of the internet information on health is disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, and out right lies. To many sites in this category end in. Gov, . Edu, . Org, . Grp etc. Also, I found at least 7 purported health forum sites supported by the pharmaceutical industry. Do the research and then research again. That holds true for me. I am not at all that infallible. When some sites attack or deplore natural health, 'Ask where are the bodies'?

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Replied by Jolele (Tasmania, Australia) on 07/21/2012

To Beattie, Orogon. Thanks for your contribution, I agree that there is so much misinformation (deliberate or not) that one can easily feel confused when searching for remedies. It is good to be reminded to see our health in context of the natural world around us and that (in general) ongoing support for our health would minimise occurence of illness and disease. Again thanks and blessings to you and all others who are dedicated to find their own way in seeking understanding and treatment to support their health and wellbeing.
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Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 07/21/2012

Dr Abram Hoffer, a well known pillar of the orthomolecular movement, also had gum disease and managed to cure his own bleeding gums problems with higher dose B3 or niacin.

I also had serious gum and teeth problems and did some further research. I must also mention here that both my dental and candida problems greatly accelerated after I had had my tropical vaccine shots (six of them -- all in one go) just before I retired to the Philippines. On reflection, I think doing this was a bit dumb on my part because it caused me so many problems. My fault really for trusting vaccines and for trusting the advice of doctors.

In my own research on gum disease, I came across a letter by a respected independent researcher. Well it wasn't so much research -- more an official letter of complaint to the US Government which was backed up by his own dental research. The letter was written by Dr Gerard Judd. He was complaining about the poor dental care standards advised by the American Dental Association. He was also very qualified to do this -- he was a Phd researcher who had been a professor of Chemistry for 33 years -- 18 of those later years being devoted to fluoro-organic research.

Dr Judd is also somewhat contemptuous of fluoride toothpaste and gives all the reasons why and further advises how you can avoid both cavities and avoid gum disease by not using toothpaste but by simply using ordinary organic bar-soap to brush your teeth with. Research has also found and confirmed that teeth plaque is initiated in the mouth through bacterial biofilm formation which helps to protect the bad plaque bacteria from the immune system. Furthermore, soap emulsifies and destroys biofilms in the mouth. That's how you stop gum disease.

Dr Judd's letter of complaint to the US Government (April 2002) and ultimate solution for bad teeth and gums makes for interesting reading and is here:

Dental Health

My own problems with my teeth entailed four of my back teeth suddenly falling out in quick succession for no apparent reason. My own teeth became very loose and I even pulled some of these large back teeth out myself without much pain. But this was disturbing because all my teeth were becoming so loose and falling out for some unknown reason.

To stop this I adopted the following as my simple dental protocol:

* Wash mouth out with 3% hdrogen peroxide.

* Brush teeth thoroughly several times using just organic bar-soap and a tooth brush.

* Wash out mouth out again several times with 3% HP to kill residual bacteria left in mouth.

Using 3% Hydrogen Peroxide kills all the bacteria in the mouth after disrupting the bacterial biofilms with the soap. When it breaks down chemically, HP also supplies oxygen in the saliva, which further helps to re-mineralize teeth properly.

I have been doing this protocol(and taking higher dose niacin after meals) for many years. My teeth are now rock solid with no more problems. I'm 62 years old.

For further interest -- Dr Judd also wrote a notable book -- "Good Teeth Birth to Death: The Prescription for Perfect Teeth".

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Replied by Meg (Kansas City, Mo, Usa) on 07/22/2012

Dear Bill, Thank you for your comments on problematic gums. I have been dealing with a tender-to-touch lump on my right upper back gum for a couple of years now, and despite my efforts it will not go away. I daresay it is an infection; I have tried activated charcoal poultices at night which did work to some degree as it brought on a bad reaction which made me quite ill at one stage. I am dealing with several issues: adrenal fatigue, and digestive issues, no doubt candida as well, and am working also on alkalizing my system with baking soda, etc. I am very grateful for all the information on this site.

Dental X-rays show a pocket, and suggest root canal, but I do not want to take that road unless unavoidable. I follow Dr. Judd's ideas though mainly use baking soda and salt and activated charcoal to clean my teeth, and floss, which I do religiously every time I eat. I will try the soap too. I was wondering if you have any further ideas. I think the basic problem is my body's lack of energy to throw off the infection. I have had adrenal fatigue off and on for 5 years now due to emotional stress, which I have dealt with, but now must wait until the adrenals strengthen once again. I daresay all my problems are connected and I am working on all fronts you might say, but would appreciate any further insights into the gum issue. It is painless by the way, unless I press on it, and the rest of upper gum is fairly red too. Thank you very much for any light you can throw upon this issue.

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Replied by Sue M. (Worden, Il, Usa) on 07/23/2012

Dez57 from Beatty, Ore..... Thank you so much for your posting. Your contribution struck a chord and mirrored how I'm trying to live my life and take care of my health. Especially how you read and do research, research, research. My family can find me tedious, at times, because I "share" with them my discoveries. I did go online and read about Dr. F. R. Klenner and was fascinating at his findings. Needless to say, I will be adding ascorbic acid to my health regimen. Never knew just how important it is to our overall health. Thank you.
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Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 07/23/2012

Hi Meg... Thanks for your comments. Regarding root canal problems, perhaps you should read this article by Bill Henderson -- author of the book Cancer Free -- and see what he thinks concerning root canals:

Root Canals and Cancer

So avoid root canals at all cost and, if you can, find a proper biological dentist to have any and all root canals removed.

There could be a number of reasons why your immune system seems unable to cope. Candida is a good reason and persistent dental infection probems can also add greatly to your immune problems. I'm fairly lucky because I only have three teeth fillings in my head -- all back teeth. And when my four back teeth fell out, all my fillings also were removed.

Dr Weston Price researched the root canal procedure thoroughly in 1903 and, at the end of this research, he declared that the root canal procedure led to a hot-bed breeding ground for very dangerous pathogens. Part of his research entailed removing root canals and implanting them under the skin of rabbits. What he found to his great surprise was that the rabbits always caught the same disease as humans from which the root canal was taken. For example, if that person had arthritis -- then the rabbit became arthritic. Other researchers found that root canals were even a breeding ground for botulism -- which is a plague pathogen. Dr Weston Price further postulated on the effects of these root canals -- that they caused something called "focal infections" where, for instance, a disease far and distant would be caused by dental issues like root canals. Of course no-one believed Weston Price's research which was completely rejected by the ADA, which is why root canal procedures continue to this day. Since this early time we now know that poisons and pathogens can easily breed and drain from the jaw area into the lymph and from there be easily distributed throughout the body to cause havoc.

I would agree with you that your candida, adrenal and other problems might well be connected. These may also be difficult to cure unless you first get rid of your persistent gum infection problems which has been with you for many years. This might well be the "focal infection" that has initiated all your other problems. Perhaps seeing a biological or holistic dentist would be the most helpful path open to you.

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Replied by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 07/23/2012

Here is a useful link to Dr Gerard Judd's book -- Good Teeth Birth to Death, that I mentioned in my last post. It's not a long book but is nevertheless packed with useful information about how to protect and maintain your teeth and gum health:

Good Teeth Birth to Death

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Replied by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 07/23/2012

Hi Duane, I have often mentioned the Longevity Now Conference which I attend and learn an awful lot regarding all sorts of issues on health. Because I attend these highly informational conferences, they will send me video of some of the speakers. I am giving you two links on a woman who speaks on teeth/ gum health through alternative means. I think you can learn a lot from this info. I know I have.

http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/Articles.asp?ID=499

http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/Articles.asp?ID=500

And like Bill mentioned, you may want to study Weston Price's work. You can google him. His work is also remarkable. Hope this helps, Lisa

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Replied by Meg (Kansas City, Mo) on 07/23/2012

Dear Bill, Thank you so much for your quick response; I am so grateful for this site and all the information shared. I checked on the email response from Lisa (7/23/12) and viewed the video links from a Longevity Now conference which she kindly included. They are fascinating and if you watch them, I am sure you will also agree that the basic problem emanates from the digestive system if it is not healthy. I have fairly severe problems due to the adrenal fatigue, including inflammation, constipation, and live on HCI and digestive enzymes of all types in order to digest my food. (No natural stomach acid. ) I do not eat processed food other than sardines, and eat mainly vegetables and honey when I am really hungry, very little raw food as it is so hard to digest for me, and am trying to come back on to quinoa and brown rice. I have not eaten flour-containing foods for many years now. I am working on more and more fermented foods and it is definitely helping me because I know I am getting better.

I would be interested to hear your comments after viewing the videos. Essentially the presenter, Nadine, is saying that the health of our teeth and gums is governed by the hypothalmus and the parotid hormone and gland; not by sugar and acid forming foods. Healthy teeth etc. , apparently can handle these if the body is healthy as a whole. It is all very fascinating and I am excited to learn more. Thank you again for your words of wisdom.. I really appreciate the help as I have been working by myself for 20 years now, researching and experimenting, and using the simple formulas on this site, having given up on the medical profession which could only go so far. Vit. C is a real key for me as I have always reacted to citrates for some reason, and am only now just being able to deal with sodium ascorbate which I make myself, without too much of a reaction.

I also realize that my health issues originated from unresolved emotional issues, lots of grief and loss in my life, but these are now resolved, so it is onward and upward now to total healing. I hope, too, that my experience may help someone else.

Fortunately, I have never had a root canal, just lots of crowns. Meg

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Replied by Meg (Kansas City, Mo) on 07/23/2012

Dear Lisa, I have an infection in the gum--a painless lump/bump unless touched with pressure, which I have been trying in vain to heal for several years, and I have always intuitively known that the cause of it was my fairly severe intestinal issues, and hormonal imbalances, especially adrenal fatigue. I watched the two video links provided and I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am. How can I obtain the remaining part of Nadine's presentation on teeth? I am hoping she will discuss the issue I am dealing with. I need to research and track down how the parotid gland works etc, in conjunction with the hypothalmus. With great gratitude, I thank you for any help you can offer. Your email was an answer to a prayer, I can assure you. I had responded to Bill's response also. The information is just too wonderful for words! Meg
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Replied by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 07/24/2012

Hi Meg, I am so glad this information helped you! What I am going to do is give you the link to her site which as a lot of audio interviews of her.

http://www.livinglibations.com/media-information

There's quite a few regarding tooth truth, as Nadine calls it. I have heard her interviewed and speak quite a bit but have not actually listened to these but, my thoughts are, they are most likely the same info I have heard. Nonetheless, I'm sure you will learn a lot! I use many of her products and love all of them. I also loosely follow her protocol. I don't do everything she says religiously but I follow a lot of it. I ditched any toothpaste a long time ago and only use, sea salt, baking soda, Dr. Bronner's soap, clay, hydrogen peroxide tongue scraper or a combination of all of them! I know her products are a bit on the pricey side but that is because of the quality and time she puts into them. Her knowledge is remarkable and her standard of quality extremely high. I hope this helps you in your quest, Lisa

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Replied by Meg (Kansas City, Mo) on 07/24/2012

Dear Lisa, Thank you very much for the website... The information is really helpful. Meg
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Replied by Lisa (Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa) on 07/24/2012

Hi Meg, I wanted to pass this on to you as well because I believe Weston Price's work is noteworthy! This is a book that is based in his work but also you will find yourself on his foundation's site. Here is the link to the information:

http://www.westonaprice.org/thumbs-up-reviews/cure-tooth-decay

Hope you find some valuable information in this! Best to you, Lisa

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